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313 comments

Yeah but. . . (-1, Troll)

czardonic (526710) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509341)

. . .this will be useless when digital music is outlawed entirely.

Re:Yeah but. . . (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2509369)

When digital music is outlawed, only outlaws will have digital music!

FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2509345)

First :)

Re:FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2509359)

swing and a miss

It's great to have sites like this (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2509350)

Because I wasn't about to waste my money by tearing my iPod apart.

Can it run Linux? Can you imagine *smack*smack*smack*

Sorry.

Re:It's great to have sites like this (-1, Redundant)

BlackHat (67036) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509427)

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group _id=14634&release_id=40058

Starting point

Re:It's great to have sites like this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2509571)

Because it's so hard to type in those a href's huh.

The real question is... (1)

HalimCMe (528821) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509480)

were they able to put it back together after tearing it apart? and did it work after that?

Re:It's great to have sites like this (4, Redundant)

mcspock (252093) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509493)

Linux is available for the arm7tdmi. This is different from the portal player processer, since portal player (iirc) has a dual core cpu. The second core lets them do mp3 encoding with, presumably, the standard ARM encoding library.

The funny part about "can it run linux" here is that the line is suddenly blurred. This device is $400, has a fast processor, 5gb hard drive, and 32mb of ram - much nicer features than your standard PDA. Additionally, it would be (relatively) straight forward to enable all the standard device features (read: mp3 playback) under linux.

Yep, an iPod will totally outclass any windows CE devices we are likely to see in the next few years.

Re:It's great to have sites like this (4, Insightful)

Jeffrey Baker (6191) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509547)

I don't really want to replace the entire operating system in my iPod, but I *would* like to get Ogg Vorbis playback support. Does anyone know how this thing boots; from a ROM or from the hard disk or both?

Re:It's great to have sites like this (2, Informative)

AzrealAO (520019) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509634)

You do know that this is an 80-133 Mhz Arm7 (80-110 for .18 micron, 100-133 for .13 micron) chip, and all current PocketPC (PocketPC2002) devices are based on a 206Mhz StrongArm with 32MB or 64MB of RAM, right? The Intel product info says that 206Mhz StrongArm's are software compatible with Arm v4 processors (which the Arm7 is)

Re:It's great to have sites like this (0, Troll)

Unknown Bovine Group (462144) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509534)

The really inspiring thing about this site is that it's created by Japanese and doesn't contain any bukkake [google.com] .

Re:It's great to have sites like this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2509564)

This would have been a more convincing troll if you had done an image search of google.

Reverse Engineering? (4, Offtopic)

Calle Ballz (238584) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509351)

I don't know how it is in Japan, but in Korea there are people who will pay up to 10x what an electronic item is worth just to study the design and create knockoffs. Many US Army soldiers are bribed to buy electronics from the PX and sell them to the koreans who do this. I am wondering if this is something similar...

Re:Reverse Engineering? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous DWord (466154) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509373)

IANAK, so I don't understand why they'd do that. Haven't they heard of Ebay? Are there gov't restrictions on importing stuff?

Re:Reverse Engineering? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2509418)

Well, for the Army, because it is US territory... the soldiers there can buy any electronic item found at your local walmart for about the same price that you'd get it here. In fact, because there are no sales taxes applied to sales on Army installations, they get it much cheaper.

Say a Korean company would like to produce a knock off of the new video camera. They'd have a hard time legitimately getting ahold of one, so they find PVT Whoever to go to the PX and buy one, then they buy it off of him. No paperwork, only cash exchange. PVT Whoever just made himself a pocket full of chump change, while the Korean company now has a product with absolutely no trace to how they obtained it to reverse engineer it.

I have a friend who is stationed in Korea, and she found what we both thought was a great deal: a Geforce3 video card for $90. He bought one and tried it and it ALMOST outperformed a Trident 1 MB video card found in older 486's. This was obviously a poor knock off of the Geforce 3 chip.

Re:Reverse Engineering? (-1)

Trollificus (253741) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509465)

If this doesn't tell you that Koreans should be lined up and shot, I don't know what does.

Re:Reverse Engineering? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2509561)

IANAK lol!

Re:Reverse Engineering? (1)

superdan2k (135614) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509629)

Here's the deal. A Sony TV that would cost you $200 in the PX would be several hundred dollars more in Korea, due to trade tarriffs, and local protectionism. (Buy the local stuff, not Japanese.) It wasn't just for the purpose of knocking stuff off, either. If you had to pay $1000 on your local economy for something that the troops protecting your country could buy for $200, what would you do? Right.

As a someone who was stationed in Korea in the early 90's, I can vouch for this shit happening all the time. While I was there, they actually kept track of who bought what, and you had to be able to account for what you bought when you left the country, or if they started getting suspicious. You buy 2 TVs in a month, and you're busted, obviously.

Part of it is so that the stuff being brought in by the PX is used for the people the PX is for, and part of it is to avoid destablizing the local economy...

Big Uncle Sam is watching you.

Re:Reverse Engineering? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2509505)

Isn't that what VIA does?

FP (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2509352)

First post!

*sigh* (1, Insightful)

jpellino (202698) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509354)

this is why i got out of biology - all the guts!

oh, the humanity!

jeff probst! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2509356)

Partz to all dead Humvees.

Re:jeff probst! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2509409)

Try to keep posts on topic. Thanks.

Posting at this hour of the day... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2509358)

Is likely to result in an Australian having first post!!!

Oops... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2509381)

I forgot to allow for the string-can type internet connection to the rest of the world. On second thoughts, an Australian is never likely to snag first post.

Back to reading the article some more.

Re:Posting at this hour of the day... (-1)

Trollificus (253741) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509537)

We can't let a bunch of thieving cowards from a penal colony to get first post.
That would be an outrage!

PortalPlayer (-1, Troll)

sulli (195030) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509360)

advertises that it is "SDMI compliant" for "MP3 type players". I bought an iPod, but if they ever "up"grade it to "support" SDMI to the exclusion of normal MP3, I will smash it into tiny little pieces and send it back by U.S. Mail.

Re:PortalPlayer (5, Funny)

SaturnTim (445813) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509394)

Yea, because people are FORCED to upgrade everytime a patch is allowed.

And I'm sure apple will be very sad if you crush the mp3 player that YOU PAYED FOR.

--T

Re:PortalPlayer (1)

sulli (195030) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509422)

My concern was mostly about the auto-upgrades that Microsoft et al. sometimes force in Media Player. I actually don't think that Apple will actually be stupid enough to reduce the functionality of existing iPods in the market, but they might have the ability to do so via the sync function.

Re:PortalPlayer (1)

mcspock (252093) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509466)

By auto-upgrade i assume you are referring to the dialog box that says "There is a new version of media player available. Would you like to upgrade?" and has a "yes" and a "no" button.

I get that once a week or so and hit "no", just because i'm usually watching...a video, and can't be bothered to upgrade software.

Re:PortalPlayer (1)

Reckless Visionary (323969) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509404)

Ok, but don't blame it on insecurity. ;-)

Re:PortalPlayer (1, Funny)

O2n (325189) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509413)

[...]I will smash it into tiny little pieces and send it back by U.S. Mail

Err... not *too* tiny, I hope. I mean, keep clear from sending dust...

Re:PortalPlayer (1)

mcspock (252093) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509501)

SDMI is pretty much a joke at this point. I dont think anybody has implemented anything more than SDMI phase 1 compliance, which just required some sort of unique identifier on the device/media. So when they say SDMI compliant, it's almost certainly just a unique ID on the processor, which is nothing special in and of itself.

Re:PortalPlayer (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2509613)

Since SCSI is commonly pronounced as "scuzzy," I propose that SDMI be prounounced as "sodomy." That way, it'll be possible to walk in to Fry's and loudly inquire about "scuzzy sodomy devices."

lots of wires and junk (3, Offtopic)

Ledge (24267) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509362)

All this to replace my good ole' 8-track? Bah. It doesn't even say Hi-Fi anywhere on it. (Hi-Fi is a technical term for High Fidelity.)

Re:lots of wires and junk (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2509526)

Yes, your 8 track will never cheat on you.

Re:lots of wires and junk (1)

Rand Race (110288) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509576)

Yea, but your 8-Track probably doesn't say Solid State on it anywhere like my reel to reel does.

Re:lots of wires and junk (1)

fohat (168135) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509698)

It doesn't even say Hi-Fi anywhere on it. (Hi-Fi is a technical term for High Fidelity.)

Probably because mp3 is ~ 1/12th the quality; it really should say Lo-Fi ;)

-fohat

Dimensions? (-1, Offtopic)

Matey-O (518004) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509366)

Anybody know the dimensions of chinese currency?

If that 100 whatever piece weighs 5 lbs, then I'm not at ALL impressed with the iPOD. :)

Re:Dimensions? (-1)

Anomymous Coward (303315) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509398)

from apple's site: 6.5 oz (185 g) (link here [apple.com] )

the hard drive, specifically, is just under 2 oz (link here [toshiba.com] ) ...

Y100 piece (2)

sulli (195030) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509402)

It's a bit larger than a US nickel, [mint.go.jp] smaller than a quarter - and worth about 82 cents.

Re:Dimensions? (2)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509454)

Why are you interested in the dimensions of Chinese currency? The Japanese 100 Yen coin has a diameter of 22.6 mm.

Re:Dimensions? (1)

czardonic (526710) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509457)

Anybody know the dimensions of chinese currency?

That's Japanese currency, genius.

Look how this the HD is (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2509388)

It must be very delicate...

Slashlies (-1)

l00ny_bstrd (218467) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509412)

According to michael [slashdot.org] :

Errr, as the code is commented just above the part you pasted:

# logs attempts to break, fool, flood a particular form

That is, the people who are attempting to break, say, the comment posting form and post 500 comments at once are logged and may be banned by IP if they try hard enough.

Anyone can see, by reading Slashcode itself, not the misleading or irrelevant comments surrounding it, that the code in question does not apply to people who try to abuse the "multipost" bug (which doesn't even exist anymore; it has long since been fixed), but to people who have been moderated down with a certain frequency.

Let me spell it out for everyone since you have so little regard for the truth as to actually attempt to hide this fact:

Anyone who is moderated down four or more times within a 24-hour period will have their ENTIRE TCP/IP SUBNET banned for the following 72 hours.

That is a fact. It can be confirmed by reading the slashcode. It can further be confirmed by simply posting a comment which will be likely to garner a few negative moderations (i.e., any comment that disagrees with popluar slashdot opinions) and observing the results.

So michael, the obvious question here is, why are you lying to people? Why not just tell the thruth: The moderation system, combined with the IP-subnet-banning system, will automatically ban people for posting anything people disagree with.

Slashdot is clearly designed with the expressed purpose of surpressing unpopular opinions within its comment system.

That is, of course, your right, as this is your website and you may do with it as you choose. However, people should know that you are lying when you claim (in the FAQ and elsewhere) that people are never banned for their opinions, only for attempts at "flooding". That is complete fiction.

What to do? Well, here is a suggestion from an AC: What we need to do now is set up some sort of IP spoofing system so we can get huge popular subnets banned from commenting on Slashdot for 72 hour periods. There must be a dozen critical subnets that would really quieten things down here if they were regularly banned. I.e. a few important University campuses.

Get going on it, trolls. Have fun with it. Let's get some of these stuffed shirts banned for a few days and see them fume.

I'm not technically adept enough to accomplish this. Anyone want to have a go at it?

Anthrax at NASA? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2509419)

Sorry - forgot my password. :-(

We have an unconfirmed report of twenty people from one of the post offices here at NASA (Houst-JSC) having Anthrax. One of my co-workers' wife works at a nearby hospital. She just called to say the above. Twenty sick - symptoms similar to others with Anthrax. More news as I get it.

Re:Anthrax at NASA? (-1)

Trollificus (253741) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509554)

Nah, it's just that space crack they've been smoking.
Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

that's a hundred-yen coin (0, Offtopic)

jpellino (202698) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509420)

japanese, not chinese - it's the coin that all those little SLR camera battery screw-caps were made to fit. 2.26 cm diameter

this is why.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2509438)

....they make us take biology and disect frogs in highschool. So we can learn how to disect more important things. Wonder if they will ever make the squirmish (sp?) people disect Ipods while everyone else disects frogs.

As an Apple fan (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2509439)

I'd much rather see what the insides of Steve Jobs look like.

iPod Copying Limitations (4, Informative)

HalimCMe (528821) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509443)

The iPod copying limitations are not really restrictions, but rather just hiding the actual MP3 files. The MP3's can be accessed thru the command line in OS X or thru a number of graphical third party utilities, a process outlined in this Mac Observer article. [macobserver.com]

Some more interesting (?) discussion about the iPod's internals and copy protection is over at a similar article on MacSlash. [macslash.com]

I'm getting an iPod myself, but not till January when hopefully they'll drop in price a bit when Apple announces their next line of products.

First Airport, now this... (4, Interesting)

2nd Post! (213333) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509449)

I'm *glad* Apple doesn't restrict itself to only in-house designs. They *can* and *do* use products designed elsewhere if it can offer them a competitive advantage...

Lucent 802.11b cards, AMD based base stations, and not Portal designed mp3 player and UI by Pixo.

Now if they can only work together with AMD and NVIDIA to introduce a new low cost entry level Mac ($500 range) and use DAISY type runtime optimzation and recompilation in the OS to make it hardware agnostic...

Re:First Airport, now this... (4, Informative)

mblase (200735) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509479)

I'm *glad* Apple doesn't restrict itself to only in-house designs.

True, but it's a little weird to see that the OS for this device isn't actually Apple's, but a third party's. Seems like the only thing Apple really contributed to it was the design and, of course, the iTunes 2 integration.

But hey, it looks like a Mac product and works like a Mac product. Who really cares who actually designed the guts?

Now if only they'd open-source the OS so that we could build our own....

Out of Apple's court :) (2)

2nd Post! (213333) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509527)

The OS and UI are dependent on Portal Player and Pixo, so if you want to mess around with the OS/UI, go to them.

Still, it makes me wonder how hard it would be to hack it make it so uploaded mp3s via FireWire are playble, and thus make it PC compatible :)

Re:First Airport, now this... (2, Interesting)

The Finn (1547) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509538)

According to my anonymous source at PortalPlayer, it's based on Lineo's RXTC [lineo.com] microkernel. Of course, the ``application'' side has been hacked on quite a bit and has had significant additions to the database and filesystem added, but it's still RXTC based.

Re:First Airport, now this... (1)

mcspock (252093) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509563)

You'd be surprised at how few decent MP3 players are made in house. Outsourcing this kind of thing is actually pretty common now, since companies that have the money to manufacture dont have the interest in dirtying their hands with software guys to make the player. Also, portal player has a custom chip, that's no small achievement.

Besides design and desktop integration, Apple has a lot of cash. They have the ability to buy in bulk, like purchasing 50,000 toshiba hard drives all at once, which drives the cost down significantly. Other MP3 device manufacturers have to buy smaller quantities, and end up paying higher prices as a result. Lucky for you, these costs get factored into the final price. The fact that the iPod costs $400 is really amazing - it means the toshiba hard drives (which street for $400 themselves) probably cost apple $100 or less.

In terms of open-source on embedded devices, that's a tricky subject. Do you allow people to write plug ins? Do you have kernel/user mode seperation even? Most of these devices (except for rio/dell receiver and rio car) dont have any sort of userland protection on them, so you can do things like erase the flash parts from any executable code. So it introduces the subject of security, how do you stop a virus, do you have to implement certificates or keys on the device, etc. very messy subject.

Re:First Airport, now this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2509592)

... hardware agnostic ...

From Webster's

agnostic: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable;

I hate it when people use the terms "hardware agnostic" or "platform agnostic" or "OS agnostic". It implies that a product should have doubts that certain hardware/platforms/OS exist. Bleah.

And yes, I know what is implied when the term is used in this case, but it is still as annoying as those flashing banner ads.

"Our product is platform agnostic. It sits there like a block of wood until the sophisticated AI can prove or disprove the existance of the OS you're trying to connect to."

Re:First Airport, now this... (1)

greygent (523713) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509621)

Erm, I have an NVidia video card in my Mac already, thanks.

They don't need to team with AMD, their PPC platform is nice enough now. I went to the Mac world to ESCAPE the x86 crapform (not to mention a few other crap things (Hi MS)

D'ohhh! (2, Funny)

BoarderPhreak (234086) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509453)

No warranty for you! :-O

Re:D'ohhh! (1)

jayhawk88 (160512) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509548)

Not that screwing up electronics by taking them apart keeps people from trying to get warranty service mind you. I've had customers tell me that their computer "just fell apart".

Apple IPod page (1, Informative)

Kozz (7764) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509460)

Apple's IPod Page [apple.com] for those unfamiliar. And here [apple.com] is the public specs and features page.

Karma-whoring since 1999.

Re:Apple IPod page (1)

Unknown Bovine Group (462144) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509604)

CmdrTaco is a dick, (+5, Informative) [slashdot.org]

The truly hilarious thing about your sig is that it is dynamic, so the post you're referring to now has a self-referencing sig.

In order to understand recursive sigs, you must first understand recursive sigs. ;)

Yeah but... (0)

arfo (525373) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509463)

What does this mean for Joe Sixpack?

iPod price vs. Toshiba drive price (5, Informative)

Olentangy (118364) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509470)

I followed the link to Toshiba site. They will sell me the 5 GB little hard drive for $399 retail. Apple will sell me a complete iPod for $399.

If anyone wants the Toshiba drive, they should buy an iPod and rip it apart. This gives them the drive, PLUS you get a battery, various ICs, an LCD display, and some decent earbuds :-)

Guess Apple's price for the iPod isn't really a rip off.

-- Olentangy

Re:iPod price vs. Toshiba drive price (1)

mcspock (252093) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509615)

Yeah, the trick about drives is that drive manufacturers are holding the prices high, unless you place bulk orders and embed the drives in some product. IBM has the same system going on with the microdrive, you could make an MP3 player with a 1GB microdrive for less than it costs to buy a 1GB microdrive on the street.

The iPod components probably aren't worth much without the hard drive :)

Re:iPod price vs. Toshiba drive price (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2509649)

Well, maybe the 'street' price of the drives are so high because Apple bought almost entire production run, so supply is very short. (someone else guessed that Apple was paying $100 a drive)

Same goes for 'pricewatch' and Intel/AMD -- it might be what you pay, but it has nothing to do with what Dell and Compaq's prices look like.

Re:iPod price vs. Toshiba drive price (0)

O (90420) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509655)

Um, dude, look on pricewatch at the prices for 2.5" IDE drives. Like $150 for a 30gb.

Re:iPod price vs. Toshiba drive price (5, Informative)

MinusOne (4145) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509678)

> Um, dude, look on pricewatch at the prices for 2.5" IDE drives. Like $150 for a 30gb.

Yeah, too bad this is a 1.8" drive - much smaller. 5GB is currently the highest capacity Toshiba makes.

Re:iPod price vs. Toshiba drive price (1)

igrek (127205) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509670)

...minus warranty

ARM (5, Interesting)

PRickard (16563) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509477)

Too bad Apple sold its shares in ARM... They purchased them when the Newton used ARM chips and then sold most of the investment about a year ago. I thought it was a mistake at the time - but Apple could probably purchase the entire company now for what it made selling the shares last year.

Re:ARM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2509689)

Why's that interesting? ARM sold out to Intel long ago.

Toshiba drive price (0, Redundant)

Srsen (413456) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509484)

Note the MSRP of a PCMCIA version of the Toshiba HD is $399 just by itself. Apple's pricing of the iPod doesn't seem so outrageous now.

Beowolf (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2509487)

OMG, I'd love to see a Beowolf cluster of these things.

Re:Beowolf (0)

flash23 (155989) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509494)

Anonymous post courtesy of DN15.

Translated Version (1, Redundant)

damiam (409504) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509498)

Those who can't read Japanese might want to look at this [altavista.com] , translated by Babelfish.

Re:Translated Version (0, Flamebait)

konan (516997) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509515)

Look. Another /google-cache/babelfish/article copypaste/ karma whore.

Re:Translated Version (-1)

Trollificus (253741) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509565)

What did you expect, an insightful or original post?
Sheesh, this is Slashdot after all. Your standards are way too high.

Re:Translated Version (2, Insightful)

damiam (409504) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509605)

Just because it's karma-whoring doesn't mean it's not useful. Posts like that one are modded up because they are useful, and whether or not they're karma whores is irrelevent.

Re:Translated Version (1)

jerrytcow (66962) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509668)

In addition, as for opening the case, as for the child which is good being it is outside manufacturer guarantee you do not imitate the sea urchin it will do.

Thanks, the babelfish version is much more understandable.

Doesn't seems like a bad deal after all (2, Interesting)

kawaichan (527006) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509510)

You gotta admit, it's pretty nice. too bad it won't work on other platforms though. Why won't they release iTUNE for other platforms when they are giving Quicktime away for free? Apple make no money off Quicktime (client) but they can actually get some nice profit from this device. I know they want people to buy macs, but who would buy a mac solely for iPOD?

Re:Doesn't seems like a bad deal after all (2, Insightful)

j-beda (85386) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509600)

Well, now some Windows users can "feel the pain" just like Mac and Linux people have been feeling for years when support for some nifty thing is not offered. Maybe it is some sort of "justice" :-)

Anyhow, it seems likely that the supply of the components might be a little tight for a while, so it makes sense to set the price high and sell it to the faithfull for a little while, before dropping the price and making it more widely available. It does Apple no good to make it available for Windows or at a low price but then not be able to meet the demand. Much better to hold off and make it available to Windows and/or drop the price later when the supplies grow.

Then again, they already sell a number of very nice things such as their LCD monitors that will not (easily) work on anything other than a modern Mac. Why should this be any different? If you want one I suppose you can hack your own support into your system of choice, eh?

Re:Doesn't seems like a bad deal after all (1)

PMan88 (467902) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509681)

quicktime is not free, it's $30

Re:Doesn't seems like a bad deal after all (1)

marmoset (3738) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509692)

Because Apple's close hardware/software integration (via tools like iTunes, iMovie, iDVD, etc.) is one of the central focuses of their marketing now. It's not that they expect that people will buy Macs solely for the iPod, but rather that buyers will see the iPod alongside iTunes & iMovie and all the rest and decide that it's worth paying a premium to stay with the platform where they can expect integrated engineering.

wow they put... (0, Funny)

Count (107594) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509517)

100yen in each iPod!

Why no USB then? (1)

afidel (530433) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509518)

The arm core they use has an USB controller built into it, why didnt they include the usb connector then? I know it would have taken a little more room, but judging from the pics there is enough room to spare for USB, and it would have made it more universally compatible, across the whole mac line and across to PC's. I plan on getting an Ipod as soon as they release windows drivers. Since my SB Audigy already has a 1394 port I'll be good to go but I am in the minority.

Re:Why no USB then (Apple PC required)? (1, Flamebait)

swordboy (472941) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509582)

Apple is subsidizing the cost of this player in order to promote the Apple Computer. From Apple's iPod spec page [ipod.com] :

Requirements
- Apple computer with built-in FireWire port
- Mac OS 9.2.1 (or later) or Mac OS X v10.1 (or later)
- iTunes 2 software (included)

So basically, you wind up paying less than what Apple is putting into the product for the sheer promotion of Apple's other products. However, I'm sure that some l337 h4x0r will figure out how to make this work with real PCs and Apple will cancel the whole program.

Re:Why no USB then (Apple PC required)? (2, Funny)

Srsen (413456) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509671)

Reply from Apple:
Thank you for your interest in the iPod. We appreciate the input of users such as yourself. Unfortunately, we have no plans to support your platform at this time. We would like to direct you to our online Apple Store and our selection of the popular iBook laptops.
- Department of Irony

Re:Why no USB then (Apple PC required)? (1)

mcspock (252093) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509673)

No, Apple is not subsidizing the cost of this player. That would be the most futile business plan ever, since people aren't going to buy a $700 macintosh so they can use a $400 MP3 player.

In terms of the components, the bill of materials on that player is probably $200, maybe $250 if they couldn't get a good price on the drives, but i doubt it.

It's also not a conspiracy. I've read quite a few things that indicate the iPod can show up as a standard firewire hard drive, which simplify the problem to just needing to support the macintosh filesystem (is it HFS? i dont use mac sorry) on other platforms.

Re:Why no USB then? (-1)

Trollificus (253741) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509597)

Believe me, you're not in the minority. These things are standard now. Most pre-built PC's shipped this year come with IEEE 1394 ports. And for those who choose to build their own, an expansion card isn't hard to find.
Lord knows it's a hell of a lot faster than USB.

Why does USB even exist? Oh yeah, Intel was too fucking stubborn and wanted to corner the market on substandard technology. I guess that explains a lot of Intel's business strategies.

Re:Why no USB then? (1)

amuro98 (461673) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509635)

The power from the USB connection might not be
enough to power the drive - then again, it's a
microdrive, so this may not be true.

Also, my understanding of the iPod is that it's
simply a small firewire drive with an MP3 player
glued on top of it. You don't need any special
drivers so long as your computer can use firewire devices. Just plug it in, and your computer should just recognize the iPod as an removable hard drive. You also don't have to use the iTunes software package either. Just drag/drop MP3s and folders to the iPod.

In short - it is PC compatible, so long as your PC can use firewire devices.

Re:Why no USB then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2509672)

Apple is smart. USB is for peripherals like mice and keyboards.

Firewire is for high-bandwidth things like iPods, Digital Video feeds, etc.

Since they have both, it makes sense to not castrate it by making it USB (for PC hackers, too).

In the immortal words... (3, Troll)

swordboy (472941) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509524)

Does anyone remember that Saturday Night Live episode with Tom Hanks posing as one of those "flea market electronics hustlers"?

Sony Guts!

Article on geek.com (3, Informative)

rsimmons (248005) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509552)

Here is a good article [geek.com] about the iPod on geek.com [geek.com] .

More info on the battery? (1)

4mn0t1337 (446316) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509553)

the battery is made by sony-fukushima, and only is 3mm thick. voltage is 4.15V.

Anyone have any more info on the battery? Part Numbers? Availability? Cost? Ect?

Re:More info on the battery? (4, Informative)

kawaichan (527006) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509569)

It's Lithium-Polymier (SP) battery, the cool thing about this kind of battery when you compare with other types out in the market is that you can shape it into ANY size so you you can make it really really thin. I don't think it offers better performance than lithium ion though. Following devices that I know of are using this type of battery iPAQ, m505, CLIE, HP's New PocketPC and probably other handheld devices.

22 years and no progress. (0, Offtopic)

jukal (523582) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509579)

Here [super70s.com] is the state of the art in this business - Sone Walkman WM-1 [super70s.com] from 1979.

Mac-only ..... nobody seems to get it. (5, Insightful)

FooBarney (253298) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509619)

I have to laugh every time i hear someone in Slashdot forums or the media talk about how Apple's killing themselves by making the iPod Mac-only. True, they ARE limiting their market to less than 5% of computer owners, but there's one thing no one seems to get:

Apple didn't create the iPod to sell iPods. They created it to sell Macs.

Interface used to be a compelling reason to pick a Mac over a Wintel box--the Mac OS was just THAT much better. Say what you want about Windows ... for the average user, that's just not true any more. The Windows 98/ME/2000/XP experience ain't so bad. So Apple needs a new compelling reason to make users buy their products.

In short, they need to offer things that you can ONLY do on a Mac. They've already done a few of these things ... Mac OS X's UNIX roots offer some unique features, and tight integration with iTools is great. Apple's future strategy is to make a Mac a "digital hub" ... to sell lots of little electronic gadgets for home users with a Mac at their center. Apple's key technologies (early 802.11 adoption, FireWire) are uniquely suited to tying together digital devices.

In short, every columnist and reviewer who criticizes Apple for making iPod Mac-only is just doing their work for them. That kind of criticism is EXACTLY what Apple needs right now ... it just amounts to more people shouting out "here's something you can only do on a Mac."

Plus, the iPod is all shiny. I like shiny.

Re:Mac-only ..... nobody seems to get it. (1)

belg4mit (152620) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509647)

Underrated +1

Re:Mac-only ..... nobody seems to get it. (2, Interesting)

kawaichan (527006) | more than 12 years ago | (#2509667)

I know what you are getting at but Wintel boxes are so cheap now, Apple cannot possibly beat the price. OS X looks really slick now and I am actually thinking about getting a el cheapo iMac just to play with OS X, but then again, it will run like garbage on a 233mhz CPU. It is hard for average Joe NOT to attract by the low price tag, HIGH mhz number for an iPOD (which cost around same as a El-Cheapo PC). I say bring the price of the Apple boxes down and I will certainly get a mac box for fun.
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