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Interview With Linus

Hemos posted more than 12 years ago | from the talking-with-the-man dept.

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Hairy1 writes " Cisco has an interview with Linus which discusses among other things his thoughts - or rather lack of thoughts - about Windows. When asked about Microsoft he said - "Well, I don't know. I'm actually not a big Microsoft basher... They're very good at marketing. They're very good at trying to see What do we have to do to sell this? The bad part about it is that it does have a huge market share. And that means that it can be lazy, sort of. They don't have much competition on the desktop, which means that they have very little incentive to really fix some of the problems it does have.""

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sldjkf (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2519970)

pirst fost

dhatp?

GO ON AND WASTE YOUR MOD POINTS (-1, Troll)

KingAzzy (320268) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520088)

BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH j00 are owned FUCKHEAD

Anyway, LINUS TORVALDS is a BUNGHOLE SUCKIN TWERP. His little "army" has set back desktop computing 20 years. Sure, kill Microsoft, but for fuck's sake, do it with something better.

Torvalds ~= Mullah Omar. Linux ~= Islam. Linux Movement ~= Taliban.

HTH HAND FOAD MFs!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re:GO ON AND WASTE YOUR MOD POINTS (-1, Troll)

KingAzzy (320268) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520098)

Go on and MOD ME DOWN!!!! Your little penis might get a wee stiffy when doing so, thinking that you are some great God or something.. doesn't mean a half dick shit to me as I WILL LIVE ON and my "Karma" on Slashdot COULD MEAN HALF A CHUNK OF SHITTO TO ME.

Go on and mod me down and prove to the world that you are a little dickless tyrant who has no life, no girlfriend, but lots of acne.

Wow, Your computer runs Islam? (-1, Offtopic)

spreerpg (530354) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520186)

idiot.
Islam isn't a bad thing. Its people like you that make freedom of speech a bad idea. Did you ever think that perhaps just because a person was Muslim doesn't make them a bad person. You are certainly acting like a culturo-centric Judeo-Christian pig. And also, how is a religion comprable to an OS??? Does your computer run on Islam, I know mine doesn't. But tell me where I can get this amazing OS.
And how the hell does the Linux Movement relate to the Taliban??? The Taliban is a government, albiet an illigitmate gov't, and the Linux Movement is a group of people that like an operating system. How the hell are they related?

Wow, sorry about the flame, I just don't like stupid comments, especialy when they make no sense at all. Or when they attact via bashing with no logic.

FP (-1)

gazz (101967) | more than 12 years ago | (#2519972)

I claim this FP for....well.....me an mah grrl

/. effect. (-1, Redundant)

Gummbah (72706) | more than 12 years ago | (#2519974)

The site is slashdotted already... *sigh*

Re:/. effect. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2520021)

Please remove your head from your sphincter when speaking. Thank you.

Sphincters: who could know the awful truth? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2520139)

Are there any weaponized diseases which cause large numbers of the population to suddenly and catastrophically lose all muscular control over the sphincter? What would happen in such an event? Would we all be driven from the cities by the resulting flood of "mud"?

Or would this arouse you? Make you moist between your pale, pale legs with the knobby knees?

Would this weaponized disease be noncontagious, like anthrax, or very contagious, like smallpox?

I wonder about things like this. Keeps me warm and tight. mmmm...yeah!

Ironic isn't it? (1, Interesting)

WildBeast (189336) | more than 12 years ago | (#2519986)

Linus Torvalds, the same guy who makes the Linux kernel, works at Transmeta and his salary is paid thanks to MS's fortune.

Are you smoking crack or what... (1, Informative)

manyoso (260664) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520040)

What the hell are you talking about? AFAIK Transmeta is not affiliated with Microsoft in any way. If you are referring to Paul Allen then read the article, he was bought out.

fug (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2519987)

crapholio M$!'

Props to Linus (4, Insightful)

GraZZ (9716) | more than 12 years ago | (#2519988)

Good call by Linus. In the post XP world today, it really is a good thing to be able to sit down at the end of the day and not really care about Microsoft as a corporate entity.

As long as there are people that can still do this (and who also possess L33T HAX0R SK1LZ) there will never be a true monopoly in the operating systems market.

-ERTW (EngScis Rule The World)

EP! (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2519992)

for Heather Donahue!

No doubt! (5, Funny)

PopeAlien (164869) | more than 12 years ago | (#2519999)

... They're very good at marketing.


I just realized how true this is - My girlfriends mother was visiting this weekend, she has no computer, and indeed has never actually used a computer. She was wondering if Mandrake was Windows XP since she HAD heard of that..

Re:No doubt! (-1)

Cheesy Fool (530943) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520109)

Tell you girlfriends mother she left her false teeth at my house last weekend.

Warning: The above text is not funny.

Re:No doubt! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2520154)

Also tell her she didn't knead them at my place last night! Mmmm.... "gummy" bears, if you know what I mean!

Here's a mirror (2, Informative)

Krazy_Yak (315625) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520001)

http://www.krazyyak.com/mirrors/tree.taf.html

Have at it.

Re:Here's a mirror (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2520049)

Hello, a mirror of a _Cisco_ site? The site works just fine, thank you, please take your redundant post elsewhere. Moderators, please mod this crap accordingly.

Re:Here's a mirror (5, Funny)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520051)

Do you really think CISCO.com is going to be /.'ed enough to need a mirror?

Re:Here's a mirror (0, Troll)

loraksus (171574) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520123)

Hey, you never know /.
Just mention Linu s|x and we will all flock over.

BTW, you can still get your subs cut the old way if you ask for it (his sig). Kick ass site btw. The V is the path to nirvana. Fuck the new Cut!

Re:Here's a mirror (0, Offtopic)

Sam Jooky (54205) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520129)

At the Subways near me, you just have to ask them to do the classic Subway cut, and voila you get it. Am I missing something about why I need to argue to bring it back?

Re:Here's a mirror (1)

srichman (231122) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520067)

Oh my god you are such a karma whore.

Why are you providing a mirror!? It's a Cisco website that isn't Slashdotted at all and never will be! Why don't you wait to see if a site has problems handling load before posting a mirror? Doing otherwise is a bit obnoxious, not to mention illegal.

mod this down (1)

Anonymous Pancake (458864) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520068)

you don't need to mirror cisco.com

it's like having to mirror microsoft.com or yahoo.com.. might as well mirror google.com while you're at it.

Mirroring google (5, Funny)

srichman (231122) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520117)

might as well mirror google.com while you're at it.
Yeah, that'd be bad. You mirror them, then they mirror you, then you mirror them mirroring you, ...

Go on LINUS! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2520003)

M$ think he is just a beginner, but with is honesty and simplicity he will "SURPRISE YOURSELF" (Microsoft slogan for XP)

Re:Go on LINUS! (-1)

Cheesy Fool (530943) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520010)

What you fuck are you on about? and who is this Linus guy anyway, he sounds like an asshole.

Mushrooms! (-1)

egg troll (515396) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520024)

Slashdot is much better when you're on mushrooms. Just ask the author of the parent post.

Linus doesn't case! (2, Flamebait)

Andreas(R) (448328) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520006)

Great!
Yet another interview with the Geek that
doesn't care to give his opinion on important issues.

People look up to you Torvalds! You should take a stand - NOW!

Re:Linus doesn't case! (-1)

Cheesy Fool (530943) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520023)

Come back when you can write properly, you asshole. Who is this Linux guy anyway, didn't he write an OS called Linus and version 8.1 came out a while back.

Re:Linus doesn't care! (0, Flamebait)

Andreas(R) (448328) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520045)

Yo mama!

Re:Linus doesn't care! (-1)

Cheesy Fool (530943) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520063)

Fuck Off, jkatz.

Re:Linus doesn't care! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2520091)

Yooo maaammmaaaaa!!

Re:Linus doesn't care! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2520141)

This is your 24 last posts. All Rated (-1) You ARE A REAL TROLL! 1 Re:No doubt! posted on Sunday November 04, @06:15PM (Score:-1) attached to Interview With Linus 2 Re:Who is this? posted on Sunday November 04, @06:12PM (Score:-1) attached to Interview With Linus 3 Re:ho hum posted on Sunday November 04, @06:08PM (Score:-1) attached to Interview With Linus 4 Re:Linus doesn't care! posted on Sunday November 04, @06:04PM (Score:-1 Replies: 1) attached to Interview With Linus 5 Re:Linus doesn't case! posted on Sunday November 04, @05:58PM (Score:-1 Replies: 1) attached to Interview With Linus 6 Re:Go on LINUS! posted on Sunday November 04, @05:55PM (Score:-1) attached to Interview With Linus 7 Re:Hi friends posted on Saturday November 03, @09:44AM (Score:-1) attached to Mount Rainier for Linux 8 Re:Alan Cox hijacked development posted on Saturday November 03, @07:00AM (Score:-1 Replies: 1) attached to The 2.5 Kernel Tree And Alan Cox 9 Re:MORE LINUX? FUKK OFF! posted on Saturday November 03, @06:12AM (Score:-1) attached to Linux 2.2.20 is Out 10 Re:My decision is made posted on Thursday November 01, @03:21PM (Score:-1) attached to Solaris 9 Will Be Updated WIth Gnome 2.0 11 Re:My Experience With Linux posted on Sunday October 28, @07:43PM (Score:-1 Replies: 1) attached to The Report of My Thermal Death Have Been... 12 Re:My Experience With Linux posted on Sunday October 28, @07:41PM (Score:-1) attached to The Report of My Thermal Death Have Been... 13 Re:Great, rexactly what we need. posted on Sunday October 28, @06:22PM (Score:0) attached to Carl Sassenrath Talks About REBOL 14 Re:Licensing posted on Sunday October 28, @06:15PM (Score:0) attached to Carl Sassenrath Talks About REBOL 15 Re:Bah... posted on Sunday October 28, @05:20PM (Score:-1 Replies: 1) attached to Loki's Draeker On WineX, Transgaming And More 16 Wow posted on Sunday October 28, @01:08PM (Score:0) attached to Review: K-PAX 17 Re:Partition != File System posted on Sunday October 28, @12:12PM (Score:0 Replies: 1) attached to Which Partition Types Are Superior? 18 Re:NTFS ? posted on Saturday October 27, @02:14PM (Score:0) attached to Advanced Filesystem Implementors Guide Continues 19 Cheese posted on Wednesday October 24, @09:42AM (Score:-1 Replies: 1) attached to NASA's Mars Odyssey Enters Orbit 20 Re:First Nigger posted on Wednesday October 24, @09:26AM (Score:-1 Replies: 1) attached to AT&T Wireless Drops Fixed Wireless 21 Re:Mmmm...toast posted on Tuesday October 23, @05:07PM (Score:0) attached to W3C Seeks Feedback on VoiceXML 22 Damn you Americans posted on Tuesday October 23, @03:57PM (Score:0) attached to Groups Push FTC to Act on MS XP, Passport 23 Damn you Americans posted on Tuesday October 23, @03:54PM (Score:0 Replies: 2) attached to Groups Push FTC to Act on MS XP, Passport 24 Re:FROST PIST posted on Tuesday October 23, @03:50PM (Score:-1) attached to Groups Push FTC to Act on MS XP, Passport

Re:Linus doesn't care! (-1)

Cheesy Fool (530943) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520170)

Wow, its like "This is your life".

*sniff*

Re:Linus doesn't care! (-1)

VISION_CounterTroll (457139) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520212)

You're a cock.

Bah ... it *proves* that he cares (3, Informative)

rebill (87977) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520058)

Relevant quote from the article:

I was the technology guy who had no clue about business.

He admits that he does not know enough to have a good opinion, so he keeps it to himself. *Sniff* ... smells like "maturity" to me ...

I would also like to know Linus's true opinion on the matter, but his voice carries a lot more force than an unknown's voice (like mine!), would. That means that he has a responsibility to be more careful in what he says than I have to be.

Re:Bah ... it *proves* that he cares (2, Interesting)

Andreas(R) (448328) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520102)

Try this google search: Torvalds + I don't care [google.com]

Re:Linus doesn't case! (2, Redundant)

Webmonger (24302) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520059)

Actually, it really depends how you look at it.

His indifference to Microsoft and Windows is inspiring to me. If only all Linux supporters were so confident in Linux that they didn't bother to attack Windows. . .

Re:Linus doesn't case! (2)

nomadic (141991) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520211)

He has opinions. He just prefaces them all with "I don't care about that, BUT..." then goes on to give them.

ho hum (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2520012)

Who is this "Linus" person?

Re:ho hum (1)

The Pi-Guy (529892) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520031)

Linus Torvalds, put simply, created the Linux operating system. Linux was not meant to replace Windows - he just felt that what was available that day (DOS and UNIX) was just either not powerful enough, or too expensive. So he took little bits of his instructor's code, and glued it together to make a platform in which he could code. HTH --jw

Re:ho hum (-1)

Cheesy Fool (530943) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520072)

-1, Redundant

Wasn't his name Linux anyway? and the OS he created was Linus, with version 8.1 coming out a month or so back.

Re:ho hum (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2520110)

You can mod this down right now. I'm going to have a trolling Stallman moment.

Linus created the Linux *kernel*. Has anyone noticed the "GNU/" that keeps popping up in front of the word Linux? That's because Stallman made a whole stink about how he put together everything else other than the kernel and that he should get some credit too. So stop saying Linus created the Linux OS. He created the kernel.

Kernel == OS (1)

Mold (136317) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520156)

The kernel IS the os. If you used an NT kernel, and wrapped all of the gnu tools around it, it would still be NT. Sure, you could call it GNU/NT, but it would still be NT. Its the same with Linux.

Microsoft are lazy? (2, Interesting)

szcx (81006) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520019)

Then I hate to imagine what Linus thinks of those folks whose idea of innovation is cloning Microsoft products for the Linux.

Re:Microsoft are lazy? (3, Insightful)

mz001b (122709) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520047)

Then I hate to imagine what Linus thinks of those folks whose idea of innovation is cloning Microsoft products for the Linux.

cloning the windows interface for linux still involves a lot of work, and I would not call the people who are trying to do this lazy. Microsoft is already at that point, and all they need to do it make a few tweaks and add drivers every year or so, so they can release a new version and continue generating income.

Not that I am in favor of the Windowsization of Linux interfaces, but I don't think that it is lazy. All of that coding is hard work, but also rewarding to those who do it.

Who is this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2520029)

Who is Linus? Is he Linux? Or Linus Linux? Or vmLinuz?

Re:Who is this? (-1)

Cheesy Fool (530943) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520093)

Linux and Linus were actually brothers who were seperated at birth. They were reunited about 10 years ago and had a lovechild named vmLinuz.

P.S. This is not funny.

Re:Who is this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2520185)

Hi, I'm linux and I pronounce linus as linus.

They should've run Linux on the Enterprise (-1, Troll)

Wil Wheaton (532837) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520032)

so the computer would have been a male voice and would have hit on Picard and Worf.

FIRST POST!!! (-1, Offtopic)

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Re:FIRST POST!!! (-1, Offtopic)

jrockway (229604) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520046)

Fuck them? I think I'll pass....

The Future Of Linux (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2520039)

All advertising materials mentioning features or use of this software must display the following acknowledgement:

This product includes software developed by the University of California, Berkeley and its contributors.


*Linux is thriving

Linus, always a classy guy... (5, Interesting)

moniker_21 (414164) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520042)

I'm really glad to see that Linus didn't have too many ill words for MS. I think we could probably all stand to learn from his restraint. I think the whole Linux community would benefit very much if we gave up this Linux vs. the world attitude, no matter how romantic it may be, and just focus on our own community and what we can do to make Linux better. Reading throughout that interview I really got a feeling that Linus truly does appreciate the true hacker spirit in that he does his work "Just for Fun", like it used to be back in the 60's when the MIT boys would hack up the PDP-10 late at night.

Re:Linus, always a classy guy... (2)

archen (447353) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520085)

yeah, I think Linus has the right attitude. I think there is a point where you can become so anti microsoft that all you do is criticize what they do, and lose focus on the things in front of you. REAL innovations come from concentrating on the task at hand, not watching what the other guy is doing. Although MS has gained an empire by building on other people's stuff, I don't think that could work well with Linux just because of the difference in philosophies.

Re:Linus, always a classy guy... (-1, Troll)

absurd_spork (454513) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520094)

I think the whole Linux community would benefit very much if we gave up this Linux vs. the world attitude

But *BSD is the enemy! Don't you understand?

... yeah _this_ time (5, Informative)

Kraft (253059) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520112)

In this case you are right, but earlier he has been slightly more bitchy. Like this one [siliconvalley.com] , where Linus respons to Mundie [slashdot.org] which cracked me up:

"I'd rather listen to Newton than to Mundie. He may have been dead for almost three hundred years, but despite that he stinks up the room less."

Although it was a funny quote, IMO Linus went too far with it. I'm sure all the Linux geeks giggled, but it's just not very professional, and if we want Linux to have a clean image (I do), than we gotta have a clean fight - not a cat fight.

Re:... yeah _this_ time (2)

rant-mode-on (512772) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520168)

  • if we want Linux to have a clean image (I do), than we gotta have a clean fight - not a cat fight.

You're absolutely right. However, we have picked the wrong opponent for a clean fight.

Re:... yeah _this_ time (2)

Saeger (456549) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520192)

...but it's just not very professional, and if we want Linux to have a clean image (I do), than we gotta have a clean fight - not a cat fight.

That's where you're wrong. Most people -- real people -- can't stand the sneaky, sterile, euphemized corporate-speak; it comes off like a press release devoid of all emotion.

IMO, Linus has struck the right balance between zealot and Spock. :)

(Oh, and a quick aside on the subject of euphemisms: DON'T let them "renice" the word "recession" into "economic downturn"! -- Sick'em Carlin!)

Re:Linus, always a classy guy... (2, Interesting)

jeffy124 (453342) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520134)

that's a very very good point. it shows how the Linux community is able to take MS head on while MS has to resort to bashing open source by calling us cancerous viral speading insecure thingys.

I could be wrong (2)

loraksus (171574) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520048)

But Charlie Rose is a NPR / PBS journalist (among other things). Even though it is on the cisco site, has anyone seen the interview in audio format (or even video?)

Same old, same old... (5, Insightful)

powerlinekid (442532) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520064)

I thought this was going to be a different interview... :-(. Something where they don't ask Linus a bunch of questions that he A)doesn't really care about and B)doesn't really know. In fact after I was done reading it, I could of swore I saw the same interview on pbs over the summer, roughly june or so. Typical linus interview:

:You own linux?

:No

:Could you if you want to?

:No

:What about microsoft, how much do you really really hate them?

:Huh...??? I couldn't care less

:Are you sure you don't want bill gates head on a stick?

:Ok, this is stupid... don't you want to ask me about the decision about andre vs rick's VM system... or potential changes for 2.5?

:No. So about Microsoft and money...

So when are people going to get it through their minds that he doesn't care... i've never met the man, never spoken to him... but from all the interviews i've heard and read thats the conclusion that i've come to. Linux cares about tinkering... creating... and programming. Basically the technology. He doesn't care about business... *sigh*. I would love to hear an interview on technology with him... that would be incredible. I remember in that pbs show, the interviewer actually asked him how he got started programming... and you could see him get excited and start talking about an old video game he wrote way back in the day. Aww... I wouldn't have him any other way.

ps - I think the interviewers need to read up on some of linus's quotes, my personal fav being

"I'm a bastard and proud of it"... closely followed by:

"If you didn't read my last post, go back and do it and make sure to read the line about me being a bastard twice".

Promotion (1)

srichman (231122) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520131)

Eh, Linus is promoting his book. It's all for the best.

LT: "I am your GOD" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2520069)

On a Linux-show in the US, the first thing
Torvalds said was "I am your God".
Who does he think he is?

ÜberGeek?

Linux? (-1)

George WIPO Bush (308209) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520070)

Linux Torvalds? Didn't Billy Gates finally buy his ass out? I thought LinuxOS was dead. Anyway, suck onto my penis and lick onto my feces-encrusted crotch hairs.

I raped Linux's daughter too. Yeah.

Damn reporters... (2, Insightful)

marijnm (454978) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520075)

Why do they ALWAYS want to know what Linus thinks about MS? If I were him, I'd get really fed up with
reporters.

Just let them monitor the kernel list for a while, then you get a much better idea of Linu[sx]. I really liked the decision to just swap VM systems in the middle of 2.4 ;)

Marijn

Its the squeeky wheel that gets the most attention (5, Insightful)

Nailer (69468) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520078)

Whenever I've met someone of major technical merit in the Linux comunity (AC, Raph Levine, George and Marceij from Eazel, Taj from KDE) they've always been clear headed and non religious about their choice of OS. They don't really like Windows, but they're not `against it' per se and they don't have a problem with Windows users - they just prefer Linux for their own use. Gearing reaports that Linus and Ted Tso have similar attitutes doesn't surprise me.

Unfortunately its the few who do turn a technical argument into a religious one that give the rest of us a bad name and get the attention from the media. I still believe the majority of Linux users choose it because its the best tool for the job, not because Windows is evil and wrong and completely technically inferior (becuase it isn't).

However, that doesn't make much of a story for the media, and doesn't give the trolls something to talk about. Hence the nasty reputation of the ranting Linux zealot. This sucks.

Re:Its the squeeky wheel that gets the most attent (3)

Ogerman (136333) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520188)

Whenever I've met someone of major technical merit in the Linux comunity (AC, Raph Levine, George and Marceij from Eazel, Taj from KDE) they've always been clear headed and non religious about their choice of OS. They don't really like Windows, but they're not `against it' per se and they don't have a problem with Windows users - they just prefer Linux for their own use.

One word: politics. Do you really believe that the major players in the Linux / free software community don't have complete overthrow of the proprietary software "regime" in the back of their minds when they say such things? It's only a matter of time. Cut the crap with that 'best tool for the job' business. And yes, greed is evil and wrong.

Re:Its the squeeky wheel that gets the most attent (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2520216)

And yes, greed is evil and wrong.

Then move to Afghanastan your pinko commie bastard!

Greed is good.
America is good.
Capitalism is good.
Consumerism is good.
Materialism is good.
Beauty People are good.
SUVs are good.

But YOU are an evil commie bastard!

Great Interview, Charlie. (1, Flamebait)

A Big Gnu Thrush (12795) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520086)

You can always tell a Charlie Rose interview. He does all of the talking. Another great job, Charlie. Next time, ask some questions.

Re:Great Interview, Charlie. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2520174)

RTFA - youll see Linus actually make some comments you joke of a human being

Is linus still a virgin? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2520090)

I can't imagine a girl that would want to fuck linus. Do we have any evidence that he has fucked someone other than a blow up doll?

He isn't (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2520106)

I've had sex with Linus, and it sucked.

Oog the Caveman strikes again! Ha! Ha!

Re:He isn't (-1)

Cheesy Fool (530943) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520148)

What did happen to Oog the Caveman?

Re:Is linus still a virgin? (0, Offtopic)

Narcocide (102829) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520119)

yea, i've met his wife... could be a stand-in, but i think he's got a kid with her.

Re:Is linus still a virgin? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2520146)

read his Just For Fun book - he's got TWO kids. He even mentions in the book that "somehow [his wife's name here] and I figured out how to conceive a child"

Re:Is linus still a virgin? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2520128)

well....he IS married, and has children...

Some people might consider that evidence of some sort...

Re:Is linus still a virgin? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2520130)

He is married, with children. /Yuck!

Linus (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2520095)

Linus
http://people.a2000.nl/mendes/fruit/index.html

More Edison than Rockefeller? (4, Interesting)

Jonathan (5011) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520100)

In the interview there is a comparison between Gates and Torvalds where Torvalds is compared to Edison and Gates to Rockefeller. I'm not sure that either is very much like Torvalds. Edison was quite into marketing his ideas and wasn't beneath slandering his competitors (such as Tesla). Torvalds isn't at all like that. I'd say Torvalds is more like Bill Thompson (a.k.a Lord Kelvin after the Brits honored him). Thompson contributed a lot to the public knowledge of physics but at the same time supported himself through engineering contracts, much like Torvalds works on Linux for the public but supports himself by working at Transmeta.

Re:More Edison than Rockefeller? (-1)

George WIPO Bush (308209) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520155)

Have sex with me, please.
I promise I'll wash first.

The /. crowd is so hypocritical. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2520114)

Hmm, so lemme se. Closed source is *bad*. But if Linux works for a company that has a closed source policy that is *good*. I might be wrong here, anyone care to point me to the url where I can download the source and documentation for Transmeta's code morphing technology?

This is what I think! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2520115)

Boy, have I got news for you:
Whenever I've met someone of major technical merit in the Linux comunity (AC, Raph Levine, George and Marceij from Eazel, Taj from KDE) they've always been clear headed and non religious about their choice of OS. They don't really like Windows, but they're not `against it' per se and they don't have a problem with Windows users - they just prefer Linux for their own use. Gearing reaports that Linus and Ted Tso have similar attitutes doesn't surprise me.

Unfortunately its the few who do turn a technical argument into a religious one that give the rest of us a bad name and get the attention from the media. I still believe the majority of Linux users choose it because its the best tool for the job, not because Windows is evil and wrong and completely technically inferior (becuase it isn't).

However, that doesn't make much of a story for the media, and doesn't give the trolls something to talk about. Hence the nasty reputation of the ranting Linux zealot. This sucks.

sakjvgl! (-1)

George WIPO Bush (308209) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520121)

Linux Torvalds raped my ass with his monolithic kernel!
And don't even ask what Anal Cox did with network stack!!

Help! (-1)

George WIPO Bush (308209) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520135)

Help! Help! I'm being raped by OPEN SAUCE DEVELOPERS and their GPLd penises!!! Anything their penises touch becomes OPEN SAUCED!!! Heeeelp!!

Sad, yet true (4, Insightful)

spreerpg (530354) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520138)

This is something that we seem to forget. Windows and MS are not all that evil. Just a monopoly. And this leads to a lack of effort in attempting to improve their product, no competition you see.

If we want to see MS lose their massive market share there needs to be a product capable of competing with Windows. As much as I love Linux, this is not the OS. Linux is a server OS, whereas Windows is a desktop OS. So to compete with Windows, there must be an open source desktop OS. Sadly there is only one other desktop OS right now, and thats macOS. Unfortunatly I have yet to see such project even discussed, let alone acted on.

Re:Sad, yet true (1)

gmack (197796) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520198)

That's not really correct.. OS wise theres actually not that much diffrent between a Server and desktop.

Most of the diffrences are in the packaging and UI.

Why reinvent the wheel?

It would however be interesting to see somone make a desktop out of something other than X.

X is not linux.

Re:Sad, yet true (1)

carney1979 (189847) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520223)

Not much more to add, except I've been thinking many of the same thoughts the past several weeks. Plus....

...I remember Red Hat 4.? and what it looked like a few years ago. Though I've "converted" to Debian, I must also admit that all the contemporary Linux distros have moved much closer to being desktop OS's over the past few years.

This movement has been much slower than what we are used to seeing, when compared to a software giant such as Microsoft. But Linux IS moving forward. We are getting better and better kernels, and the various desktop enviroments are progressing rather nicely, too. And remember, we have more choices than Microsoft ever considered. That, if anything is my major beef with Microsoft. They make too many decisions for us and we have no say in the matter. It leaves me feeling as if I'm stuck with less than I wanted. But I have NEVER felt this with Linux.

Patience and getting involved are two keys to seeing Linux succeed on the desktop. Linux does not have to bring Microsoft to it's knees or wipe it out to be successful. It just needs to meet our needs better.

You can order the video if you want (3, Informative)

alewando (854) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520153)

Videos episodes of the Charlie Rose show can be ordered from http://www.800-all-news.com/transcripts.shtml [800-all-news.com] . Their online search engine doesn't return values up to the present, so you'll either have to do it over the phone (1-800-255-6397) or via email ( web-orders@800-ALL-NEWS.com [mailto] . Since you get something of a discount when ordering multiple transcripts, you might also want to order last May's episode [800-all-news.com] where Charlie Rose interviewed Linus about his book.

In a related story... (-1)

OsamaBinLager (532628) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520160)

In a related story Linux Sux [slashdot.org]

It's cisco goddammnit (5, Funny)

CtrlPhreak (226872) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520173)

It's Cisco, the load balanceing king. Nobody had better see any slashdot effect on this story or we're all doomed.

Reflection on comments (-1, Offtopic)

IgD (232964) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520178)

Don't get me wrong, I think Linus is a great guy but his grammar stinks. In the quotes, he keeps referring to Microsoft as "it". So the big difference between Linux and Windows are things like grammar, appearance, and user friendliness. Once guys like Linus get their grammar right and start putting similar attention to detail in Linux, Microsoft is doomed.

I saw this on TV (1)

fossa (212602) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520179)

I saw this interview on public television a few months ago. My brother was flipping through the channels and I'm like "hey, that kinda looks like Linus Torvalds". He flipped back and we're like "holy !#* that is Linus; cool!".

It was exciting to see him being interviewed on TV. Is Jay Leno next ;-) ?

Interviews with Linus Torvalds (4, Insightful)

Angry Black Man (533969) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520187)

You'll be lucky to find an interview with Linus Torvalds in which the interviewer does not ask him his stance on Windows or Bill Gates or Microsoft. He always has the same humble and modest response.

Linus has stated that he does not try to be a threat to Microsoft and he does not view MS as competition. It would indeed be an steep uphill battle for Linux to be a competitor in the home computing world (whether you like it or not).

Some people are so blind in their love for a certain OS, whether it be Windows or BSD or Linux or Mac OS or Unix, that they won't admit the truth. Windows and Linux have a different goal.

Torvalds has stated that he was interested at Windows NT at one point. He says lately it looks more and more like traditional Windows with a stabler kernel. That is what does not interest him. In an interview he said "In my opinion MS is a lot better at making money than it is at making good operating systems." And maybe he is right.

BTW: Somebody might want to format that post a little better, it has awkward page breaks all over.

Don't you all realize? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2520189)

Linux Sux [slashdot.org]

Why MS? (-1, Flamebait)

BurritoWarrior (90481) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520193)

Out of all the parts of the interview to single out, why did Slashdot select the part about Microsoft? Please try and stop being so biased towards Microsoft, even when they really have nothing to do with the story at hand.


The constant MS bashing is getting old.

Linux Needs More Rockefellers (4, Insightful)

Null_Packet (15946) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520194)

Very nice article.

Rose: What's the best and worst thing you can say about Windows?

Rose: I didn't ask you to bash 'em.

Torvalds: Well, you did ask me to say something bad about them.

That is great. It shows someone who not only understands himself, but he understands the world around him. He's not drawn into petty bickering, and he is obviously not so filled with hate or angst. It's quite obvious he wants to make a good product, but also doesn't seem to be swept up in material gain above what he may or may not have. I remember when I first started using Linux and was introduced to ipfw in Redhat 5.something. I was truly shown something technically refreshing. While I encourage desktop GUI pursuits, many a Linux contributor seems to be caught up in widgets and not solving real problems or addressing new ideas. I don't mean that GUI's is every contributor's focus, but it seems to be the main thrust.

Linux will be truly successful if it can go places *before* Microsoft can, and do them better than Microsoft can. It wouldn't help to have a couple Rockefellers to help out the cause.

God has spoken (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2520202)

And all you lame-ass Microsoft bashers have been proven wrong.
Oh well..

Leadership with humility (1)

imrdkl (302224) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520217)

Hey, sure, I like money, but on the other hand I'm a programmer, I will get paid.

In Scandanavia, everyone gets paid. :-)

But his clever dance around the Edison/Rockefeller insinuation (same topic), along with his other responses, infers his steady practice of english and a good grasp on current politics. Even with the interviewer trying repeatedly to put words in his mouth, he held his own nicely.

Here's hoping this fellow continues to extend his US visa.

Windows is evil, but... (1)

hypnosurgeon (463341) | more than 12 years ago | (#2520227)

There is more to life than bashing Microsoft. One should follow the example that Linus set in the interview. Instead of keeping continued malice toward Microsoft, live a little. Do what you think is interesting as opposed to what you are told should be interesting, and then hope that whatever it is will end up punching Microsoft, or some other evil entity in the ribs by accident :-)
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