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Council of Europe Pushes Net Hate-Speech Ban

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the thoughtcrime-hatespeech dept.

Censorship 642

omnirealm writes: "The N.Y. Times is reporting that the 43-nation Council of Europe is trying to ban racist and hate speech from the Internet by adding a protocol, or side agreement, to its cybercrime convention, which was stamped for ratification on Thursday."

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FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549853)

WHOO MY FIRST ONE!!

damn formkeys shit probably cost me this fp

congrats (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549854)

I remember when I got my first fp....it was about 3 years ago. I wrote to all my friend, and had them look at it...it just said fp/fp...but it had my heart written all over it. I feel you.

Oh, and f-follow-up BITCHES!

Cherish my balls!

Re:congrats (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549856)

Thanks for the kind words. My god, look at this. Two minutes into the story and already some karma whore has devised some shit about "bicycles" and censorship crap. My god, what a fucking flamer.

Re:congrats (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549927)

I have an idea. Let's see how many nested replies we can all post to this thread. I'll start and reply to this post in two minutes if no one else has done so.

Re:congrats (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549945)

WH00T! Looking good. Fuck the lameness filter.

Re:congrats (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549963)

Your attempt to create a big, nested thread is really fucking lame.

YourAttemptToCreateABigNestedThreadIsReallyFucki ng Lame

Re:congrats (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549986)

It wasn't a lame idea until Jaime decided to be a rotten coon and ban my IP.

I really hate you, Jaime.

Re:congrats (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549994)

Oh man. This is getting intense now. I'm going to go grab me a weinerschnitzel.

Re:congrats (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549998)

Foiled yet again by this piece of shit software written by stupid unix nerds. Wow, all that work and code and it still doesn't run on a real OS like NT. Niggers.

Re:congrats (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549987)

Shut The Fuck Up Nigga!

Anybody in europe ever read 1984? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549933)

Hate Speech = Thought Crime.

Reflections of Hate Speech and Legislation (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2550006)

Right now, 300 of you are probably starting to write replies, all in the vein of..

Free speech doesn't end where you disagree with what the other person has to say. You can't muzzle people just because they're evil or stupid. Information wants to be free, even if it'll be misused. etc.

To all of those people - will you please not talk about things you don't understand? It's very easy to talk about freedom of speech whilst being very far away from the real issues, posting comfortably over your DSL link. Right here, right now, teenagers are being seduced into neo-fascist ideological groups every day. In France alone, there are local governments which have started banning books and newspapers that oppose them; Germany saw hundreds of attacks on blacks and non-Germans, with many of them dying in the attacks.

People were burned to death in their sleep.

There's a deep-seated strain of virulent fascism in Europe that's been intermittently expressed in politics and popular culture for most of the 20th century. Hitler and Mussolini didn't come out nowhere - there were fascist governments in many European countries because the authoritarian tradition instilled by the former feudal/royal systems was a fertile breeding ground for fascists.

Sure, Germany and Italy lost the war. That doesn't change the fact that Italy has a Prime Minister with strong ties to the fascist right. That doesn't change the fact that neo-Nazi skinhead groups in Germany are getting more and more support from stupid teeangers every day. Jewish cemeteries are being defaced. Blacks are attacked, asylum seeker homes are burned down.

What's that have to do with freedom of speech? Someone once said that in order to stop the hate, you'd have to kill all the grandmothers. (paraphrasing badly, basically in order to stop having hate passed on through generation)

Hitler's autobiography Mein Kampf (My Struggle) remains banned in Germany. Even though public education in Germany is far better than in the US, with history being one of the most thoroughly-taught subjects, and the Nazi regime being thoroughly exposed as the evil that it was, a small minority will still flock to neo-fascist ideals. They will use everything they can as propaganda material. They will find followers - probably not many, but enough. People are being killed by those 'few' followers. Hate is being spread. A lot of harm has been done to Europe through politics of hate, wars have been started, millions and millions have been killed.

The internet is difficult to regulate. Neo-nazis use it to co-ordinate their activities unchecked, and to spread as much hate-filled material through the net as possible. You can't make accessing it impossible, but you can make accessing it illegal. You can make it illegal to spread false propaganda that's only intended to harm people and cause harm. You have to try.

Most of you haven't lived through the type of hate that's being spread by the hate speech being banned. It's easy to be an armchair critic. It's easy to criticize. Please don't. I know many of you will say that the only way to fight this is by allowing the complete and unfettered flow of information, with public education taking center stage to show the people how wrong all of that hate speech is. Sure. That has been done, for more than half a century now. But a small minority persists, a small minority causing a disproportionate amount of evil.

Yes, we have to be very careful not to let matters escalate too much - after all, who watches the watchment? It's important to note that banning hate speech is an approach that crosses party lines in Europe: in Germany, both the ruling Socialist/Green coalition and the right- and left-wing opposition are strongly in favour of dealing harshly with neo-Nazis.

In closing, hate speech is a genuine problem. There are very, very few solutions to dealing with it, and trying to criminalize its flow is one of the few approaches we have.

Maybe you want to think about that next time you make fun of France banning Yahoo! nazi auctions. A lot of the stuff auctioned off could conceivably be worn by people burning down houses simply because they didn't like the skin colour of the people living in them.

Andrew T-B
St Alex

Haven't we learned anything? (2, Insightful)

Chardish (529780) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549855)

Filters that ban racist and hate speech don't work, because people find ways to get around them. Do we want to say the word "bicycle" assuming it's banned? What can we do:

b i c y c l e
b1cycle
bycycle
b icycle

All to the same effect. And there simply aren't enough people out there to monitor hate speech and get it removed, which is why we haven't solved the drug problem in most countries.

-Evan

Re:Haven't we learned anything? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549858)

Yeah, people who are already looking for the particular page will find it but the casual user wont bump into it by accident.

Re:Haven't we learned anything? (1)

mrseigen (518390) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549859)

Filters don't work PERIOD. Somebody should figure it out sometime. Maybe then we'd have less parents that rely on a system-resident program to watch their children as they poke into the 'net.

Re:Haven't we learned anything? (2)

sporty (27564) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550007)

wrong, filters work only in reverse. you can only filter in, not out. so filtering this comment on the english dictionary would work since all words used here are in there. or something like that. :)

Re:Haven't we learned anything? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549860)

nothing is 100% certain. Are you really sure that prohibition has no effect? Would the world be no different if class A drugs were sold at your local supermarket? How about if biological weapons were for sale in your local "sports" shop? You see, the bad guys may still get them now, but less people get them less often. Prohibition isnt 100%, get over it, nothing is.

Re:Haven't we learned anything? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549865)

There was a farmer who had a dog and Chardish was his name-o
C-H-A-R-D-I-S-H,
C-H-A-R-D-I-S-H,
C-H-A-R-D-I-S-H,
and Chardish was his name-o.

God what a fucking nigger you are. If you really wanted to karma whore, just do a Google Groups search on the topic being discussed, find a related topic posted by someone else, and copy-paste it into Slashdot. Instant karma. I got up to 50 this way.

Nigger.

MOD THIS GUY UP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549884)

+4 Insightful
this is so fucking true

Re:Haven't we learned anything? (1)

GoatPigSheep (525460) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549879)

I seriously doubt they would use filters at all for this type of thing. They would just be able to arrest or press charges against the owner of a site/server and force them to take the site down. Really has nothing to do with any kind of filterering.

Going too far. (3, Insightful)

Raven42rac (448205) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549862)

I believe that any form of censorship, and yes folks, this is censorship is wrong. Now I do not and never will condone ignorant and/or hateful speech, but even Europe should learn that in order to maintain a free society, a government should allow freedom of speech, even if that speech is not touchy-feely. Remember, even the idiots have the fundamental right to free speech!

Re:Going too far. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549873)

You're a genius. Can I have your autograph?

Shut the fuck up (-1)

Genghis Troll (158585) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549916)

How about you go back to getting touchy-feely on CmdrTaco's ballsack?

+5, Insightful, mod UP (-1)

dead_puppy (532541) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549917)

Gee whiz, you convinced me that censorship is wrong.

BTW, would you please eat my feces before Jon Katz steals them? It would be much appreciated.

You Have Snatched the Pebble from my Hand (-1)

egg troll (515396) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550014)

BTW, would you please eat my feces before Jon Katz steals them? It would be much appreciated.


You have learned well, grasshopper. You are ready to leave the temple!

Re:Going too far. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549920)

The question is - is this speech harmful? Does it injure a community to be exposed to it? I believe it does. Does a community have a right to protect itself from being harmed? Indeed it does. The belief in absolute free speech, even for nazis, is not fundamental at all, in fact only America has these laws. Its interesting that in the good old US of A slander and talking about trade secrets, which are both designed to protect the rich elite, are considered a crime, whilst advocating the repression and murder of jews, blacks, and other minorities is "free speech". Discuss.

Re:Going too far. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549934)

It's a common law thing that originated from Britain, but the US went and cemented free speech in their consitution rather than relying on the traditions and gentlemans' agreements (but ultimately every consitution, written or otherwise is just that)

Re:Going too far. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549935)

Slander and Trade Secret law protect the common man as much or more than the rich elite. Trade Secret law lets a small business keep its ideas secret while if the big business hires away an employee they can't legally use the information. Slander laws only deal with people maliciously lying about you and can be used to protect a small business from a large businesses marketing if the only way they can think of to compete is to flat out lie about you in order to hurt you.

Re:Going too far. (0, Flamebait)

zmooc (33175) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549968)

The point is...nobody is in the right position to decide what is harmfull and what is not. By making legislation that says (in a broader way) things like Nazi's cannot say what they want to do to jews etc. Then why would such legislation let me say that I hate Nazi's? Because I'm conforming more to the general opinion? I think it is wrong to censor anything at all. I also think letting Nazi's say what they want makes the rest of us more conscious of their existance and enables therefore it enables us to fucking do something about it!

Re:Going too far. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549991)

You are a genius. Can I have your autograph?

this won't make a difference (1)

GoatPigSheep (525460) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549863)

The people who really want to get their message of hate out will be able to find servers in other countries to host their sites. Besides, you cannot put aside the humour value of seeing the blather that some of these idiots come up with.

What Does This Mean for Slashbots? (-1)

egg troll (515396) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549866)

If this is what it takes to put an end to that cock gnome Jon Katz, then I fully support it. Whenever Jon Katz speaks, hate follows so this would surely apply to that turd burglar.

Re:What Does This Mean for Slashbots? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549889)

I agree!


May I suck onto your penis?

Jon Katz is a turd burglar? (-1)

dead_puppy (532541) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549897)

So that's why my toilet's never been cleaner!

Sometimes when I shit, I don't flush the toilet for an hour or two. Then when I do flush, it leaves a streak at the bottom of the porcelain, giving me that warm, secure feeling that no matter what, I will always have control over my own feces. The stock market may crash, the world might go to war, and I might lose my job, but I will always be able to control my feces.

No longer. It seems that egg troll has revealed to me (and many others) that a certain Jon Katz has been breaking into homes and sneaking off with their feces. Surely, that rot bastard Katz must pay the price for copromania... How can this crime go unpunished? I enjoin Katz to turn himself into the authorities and confess to his sick crimes...

OT: Geekizoid (-1)

egg troll (515396) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550001)

As a prelude before arriving at the crux of my post, I'd like to take a moment to point out that any Off Topic post with the letters "OT" at the beginning will never be modded as Off Topic. Indeed, the posters candor may cause it to be modded up. Is that not curious, oh gentle reader.


Now, good man, can you tell me whatever happened to Geekizoid?

Re:OT: Geekizoid (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2550010)

Try this URL slash.geekizoid.com [geekizoid.com]

Free Speech (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549869)

Free speech should be an inalieable right no matter how offensive your words are.

Hey europe (-1)

dead_puppy (532541) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549870)

hate this [goatse.cx] you smelly, crooked-tooth goblins!

USA #1!!!!

Europe == 3rd world slut-whorebags of America! We're slappin yo ass, biatch!

Re:Hey europe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549970)

the funny thing is, in a years time, the common usa citizen will have less rights than women in afghanistan...

thank god I don't live there


CANADA #1

registration required (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549872)

anyone have an ID and password for the article?

Re:registration required (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549880)

Sorry, that site is for whites only. Please go to the nigger version. I believe it's got a blue background with the ebonics text scribbled in a crayola-esque font, with a rap midi in the background.

Negro.

Re:registration required (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549931)

yeah use the following account
login:nigger16
pw: nigger

been using this for like the last 2 years :D

so what is hate/racist speech? (3, Offtopic)

thogard (43403) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549874)

So if I tell someone that I think they should go to jail because they just forced Female Circumcision [mwlusa.org] on their 12 yr old daughter, is that hate speech? The only groups I know of around here that do it are Muslims so is that racists?

Re:so what is hate/racist speech? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549918)

I would like to point out that Muslim is not a race. Human is a race. Arab is an ethnicity. Islam is a religion and its adherents are called Muslims.

Re:so what is hate/racist speech? (3, Insightful)

trilucid (515316) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549928)


I have two parts in response to this question. Here we go.

In specific reply to your question, if you were directly criticizing one or a subset of Muslims [those supporting/advocating female circumcision] for the practice, this would not be racism in the true sense. If you were criticizing the faith as a whole for the practice (when clearly the vast majority of Muslims do not support it), this *would* taking racist actions.

Unfortunately, given the nature of the proposal, even using "harsh language" containing anything resembling a racist slur would be considered "hate speech", no matter the intended target. This is where the core issue really lies, in the ability of a person to criticize freely the actions of another person or group of people based on specific criteria.

Furthermore, as much as I may dislike racist thought in general, it must be maintained that people are allowed to express themselves in this manner if they desire to. I may not like what people say, but I am compelled to defend their right to say it.

Just my thoughts on the matter. Thank you for your post!

Re:so what is hate/racist speech? (2)

dhogaza (64507) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549932)

What you should be doing is to suggest that the countries in which these practices occur make them illegal. And then enforce the law.

And if the practice is occurring in your country which already has such laws on the books, you should press for enforcement.

No, this doesn't mean I support the proposed side agreement. Free speech is free speech, and I'm with the ACLU (who supports free speech protections for neo-nazis as well as less odiforous groups).

Still ... your right to talk about, or not talk about, female circumcision isn't the problem. It's the fact that there are countries in the world that allow it, by law, that's the problem.

Just how many Europeans do you think support the practice? Nearly nada. How many European countries protect it as a religous right? Nada? I don't know ... tell me.

My shorter answer is that you're raising a strawman, which is unfortunate because there are *serious* reasons to worry about this.

Re:so what is hate/racist speech? (1)

kuiken (115647) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549944)

No thats not racist, but saying that it only done by Muslims shows you are either stupid or intentionaly twisting the facts or you are just short sighted becuase you that what some fanatics says and and think its stands for the whole population. The article you link to clearly states :
Female genital cutting is practiced by Muslims and non-Muslims alike residing mainly in Sub-Saharan Africa in countries
.. Clearly, any act that interferes with a fulfilling sexual relationship contradicts the essence of Islam based both on Qur'an and hadith.

emphasis added

Taco-Snotting = HATE SPEECH (-1)

The WIPO Troll (267426) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549877)

What is "Taco-snotting?"

"Taco-snotting" is a term used by Rob Malda of Slashdot, otherwise known as CmdrTaco, to refer to the practice of sucking off a homosexual man (or unwilling heterosexual) and blowing the semen back out his nose onto the other man's face or body. Usually a long stream of semen is left on CmdrTaco's face, dribbling out of his nose: hence the term, "Taco-snotting."

Have you ever been Taco-Snotted?

Unfortunately, yes. I met CmdrTaco at an Open Source convention and he invited me back to his room for a game of Quake. When I got to his room, he jumped me and tied me to his bed, naked. He Taco-snotted me three times over the next two hours, sucking me to orgasm then snotting my semen onto my face, in my mouth, then again on my belly.

CmdrTaco invited several of his Open Source convention (or rather, Open Sauce convention, man sauce) buddies over to continue the snotfest. Linux Torvalds raped my ass with his monolithic kernel, and Anal Cox used his network stack in various unspeakable ways.

Why am I getting emails from CmdrTaco asking me if I would enjoy a round of Taco-snotting with him?

You may have recently received an email similar to the following:
From: cmdrtaco@slashdot.org
To: wipotroll@hotmail.com
Subject: Hey, baby - jion me in a taco-snott! :)

Hey, baby!

Ever done a Taco-snotting with anothar fellow geek? Its more fun then trolling Slashdot, trust me! All that talk you troll with about homasexual incest and stuff got me all horny and hot for you! Is it serius? Please tell me that itt is! If you want to get with me and my Slashdot bois, drop me an emale!

ps- Please replie to me at horny_rob_6969@hotmail.com. I'd rather the guys at VA Linux are not seen this. :) :)

--
CmdrTaco (cmdrtaco@slashdot.org)
You most likely accidentally forgot to uncheck the "Willing to Taco-snot" checkbox in your preferences. Whenever CmdrTaco gets bored, he roams through the Slashdot database, penis in hand, looking for people who might enjoy being Taco-snotted. And this time, he found you. Lucky you.

CmdrTaco probably already got the hots for your semen, and there's no escaping a geek in hear, so it's probably too late, but you can possibly rectify this situation. To remove yourself from the listings, log into your Slashdot account, go to your user page, click on You, and uncheck the box next to "Willing to Taco-snot."

I can't stop receiving these emails from CmdrTaco!?

Probably not. If you indulge him in a Taco-snot or two, he might leave you alone. You might also want to look into mail filtering, or purchasing a heavy, blunt object to ward off rampaging homosexual geeks in heat. Trust me, when they charge... oh, the humanity. If he gets you, and you let him Taco-snot you, he might chain you up in his basement and use you as his sex slave for the rest of your life, or until he accidentally drowns you in cum while using you as his sex pony in a "circle-snot." It very nearly happened to me.

What is a "Circle-snot"?

A "circle-snot" is a Taco-snotting circle-jerk: When CmdrTaco, CowboiKneel, and Homos get together and Taco-snot each other with their gooey, hot and sticky cum, spooging all over each other's faces and bodies until they're covered with their sticky, sweet man juice. Roblowme usually provides extra lubricant; he owns a limo service and has ample supplies of motor oil and axle grease.

To complete the circle, Michael, Timothy, and Jamie sometimes join in, dressed in Nazi Gestapo uniforms, jack boots, and leather gloves. They all then proceed to snot each other's cum and whip each other's asses with riding crops and cattleprods until their pasty, white geek bodies are exhausted from all the passionate, homosexual revelry.

Does Jon Katz get involved in this? I thought he was a paedophile, not a homosexual.

Actually, he's a homosexual paedophile. He's also a coprophiliac, and a zoophile. Jon Katz is somewhat of a loner and doesn't involve himself in circle-snots. Mr. Katz usually engages in a game called "Katz juicy-douching" with his harem of little boys, which involves administering an enema to himself of little-boy urine, spooging the vile muck from his ass into a plastic bag, then slathering the goo all over his little boy's chained up and naked bodies. Unwilling boys are tortured until they comply and allow Mr. Katz to juice-douche them for the rest of their lives.

As I already said, Mr. Katz is also a zoophile. As if the sexual escapades with the little boys aren't enough, Jon usually enjoys his juicy-douches best when his penis is firmly planted in a goat's anus. He also is rumoured to get off on making his little boys eat the goat's small, bean-like turds.

Are you getting hard writing this?

Why, yes. :) Join me in a WIPO-snot?

No, thanks. I'm already Taco's boi toi.


$Id: tacosnotting.txt,v 1.3 2001/11/09 23:48:44 wipo Exp $

Re:Taco-Snotting = HATE SPEECH (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549887)

I love you. Why do you use your bitchslapped account, rather than signing up for a new account to post at +1 before getting bitchslapped by the censors here? I guess I should speak for myself, but I don't want to log out and lose all my slashdot customization properties, nor do I want to lose my 50 karma yet.

Re:Taco-Snotting = HATE SPEECH (-1)

The WIPO Troll (267426) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549980)

If I post at -1 I can't get modded down.
If I don't get modded down I can't get banned.
See?

Re:Taco-Snotting = HATE SPEECH (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549891)

WINNER>

I have the right to Hate! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549878)

I have the right to hate...i have the right to express that hate, as long as my knuckles don't go past your nose (or any other part of your body)...you can't outlaw hate...you can't outlaw ignorance...looks like the UN wants to outlaw self-control tho =(

if you have any sense of humor at all (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549885)

all fucking niggers must fucking hang!

(if you have any sense of humor at all you'll mod this up)

This one's for the EU (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549886)

Last night I went into a local bar just before last call to have a beer after work. There were the regulars standing around along with the 20-something weekend partypeople.

I sat, got my beer and was looking around. Its a 99.5% white town and black faces are rare but not unheard of. There was one Baboon-American in the place decked out in typical nig fashion (baggy pants, gold chains, etc.). He was there with a couple of whigger friends about 2 seats away from me, and, to his credit, was being less obnoxious than I have come to expect from the Baboon-American, doubtless because he was outnumbered by hardworking rednecks in shit stompers. Still, he was overly loud and every third intelligible word out of his mouth was "fuck" or some variant there-of.

After a while, he went over to this table where 3 young, attractive human females were seated. He came back a moment later and complained loudly to his fellow de-evolved freaks "That bitch called me a nigger."

I laughed, finished my beer and went home.

The next time one of our screeching nigger-lovers starts bellowing about how "Racism is wrong and everybody but YOU is moving toward the multi-cultural Disneyland", just chuckle and add the idiot to your killfile.

Re:This one's for the EU (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549899)

It's like a virtual nigger infestation of our culture. Get these afro-americans on the boat and back to Africaghanistan with all the other Allah worshippers like Osama and Muhammad Ali. Why the fuck do I always have to worry about interpreting "yo m'fucca whachew fucc'in gonna pull dis bitch daaaamn yo dis fucc'in in-SANE yo" before the nigger pulls a gun and shoots me. Jesus christ, coons, leave me alone.

In case no one notices.... (3, Offtopic)

Flavius Stilicho (220508) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549892)

"The Justice Department fought hard to have the racist bits pulled from the cybercrime convention itself. I can't imagine they will let freedom of speech be curtailed via the backdoor in this way."

I wonder how hard the DOJ fought against some of the other recent bills that have been passed that fly in the face of the Constitution.

Its about time. (1, Troll)

Anton Anatopopov (529711) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549900)

Since the population of Europe at around 310 million is greater than that of the USA, its about time we got a more European feel to the Internet.

I have never been able to understand why Americans feel that they can use racial slurs and hate speech freely. What purpose does it serve ? All civilised countries have laws about what can and cannot be said, to protect the minorities, and ensure stability.

Anyway, I hope Slashdot gets a censorship policy up and running soon, since all the racist crap that I have to put up with when I read at -1 will surely contravene this law...

Re:Its about time. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549913)

Howdy-ho, commie.
How's it hangin'?

Listen, just because you have more people doesn't mean you are obligated to 'take over'. Hell, we invented the fucking internet. What did you fucking jews do? Nothing, but sit there and talk about crumpets and tea, like the shithead commies that you are. Well, you and your cricket buddies can sit around your 12" television and watch your BBC while posting shit on slashdot about 'taking over the internet'.

It comes as no surprise that you don't understand this 'freedom' that we have in regards to speech. You see, it's like this: We say what we want to, and don't worry about the KGB raiding our homes. It's a wonder to live in a non-fascist country, no? Well, get back to your soccer riots, mate.

As for censoring slashdot, I'm sure that won't be long, especially with Michael taking more and more power away from that CmdrTaco coon.

Re:Its about time. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549914)

stay the fuck off the net euro-trash...we fair weather patriots may beat you down with our cheap lifeless plastic american flag...we arn't that pathetic to use our cheap-o diamondback flag that flies on the other side of our car...STAY OFF THE NET EURO-TRASH! WE WHITE-TRASH AMERICANS ROXOR YOUR WORLD!@#$

Re:Its about time. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549967)

Anton, you have a frighteningly naive view of the world, but it's a common one these days.

You say you can't understand why this type of "hate" speech is allowed, and it's high time it was outlawed. Of course, you classify "hate" speech in your own personal way as anything that doesn't "protect minorities, and ensure stability".

Let's dissect your short-sighted comment for a moment, comrade. Let's just suppose for a moment that your worst enemy is (for the moment) in control of whatever government you live under. This government may say that you posting to Slashdot is "hate" speech and throw you in jail for posting. After all, THEY'RE THE GOVERNMENT! They make the laws, and (here's the critical point, comrade, so listen up) THEY INTERPRET AND ENFORCE THE LAWS.

So, what is "hate"? I'll tell you what it is: it's whatever the government wants it to be at that moment. Today it may "protect minorities, and ensure stability", tomorrow it may prevent you from commenting that you think your latest governor/mayor/president/dictator is looking a bit overweight these days. Don't laugh -- you only have to look at Stalin, Hitler, and their ilk to see what happens when government decides what you can and cannot say on a daily basis.

Now, do I like it when some racist jerk mouths off about how all blacks should be killed? Or about how all Jews are worthless? Or all Arabs should be shot? Or how all lawyers should be killed? Of course not. But what mature, enlightened people do (what we all SHOULD do) is consider the source. Some people will always gravitate towards hate, generally because of their own ignorance or fear. Censoring speech will not stop this. If anything, I *want* these idiots to be heard. Why? Simple. The more they blather on about their master race status, the more they show the world how stupid, ignorant, and pitiful they are.

If you don't have free speech where you are right now, then what you say, what you think, and what you do is NOT under your control at all. You exists, think, and feel at the sufferance of your government. Today they may be your friend, but tomorrow is another day. And they have the guns to make you keep your mouth shut if they decide to not like you tomorrow.

Sleep well, comrade.

Hate speech (2, Troll)

thelenm (213782) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549902)

Obviously the Council of Europe hates racists and are being given a public platform for their hateful beliefs! The N.Y. Times should be forced to remove this hate speech from their web site!

Well that's just great (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549904)

Now how are people like the NAACP going to get the word out?

- mike

Racism isn't always fostered by people of one skin color...always remember that.

Racism in *ANY* form is EVIL.

How relevant? (5, Insightful)

Eloquence (144160) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549906)

First, although it may seem like it, the COE has nothing to do with the European Union. The "Cybercrime Convention" has received some attention, but I hope that it is not as relevant as people claim it is. Similar to other such international treaties, signatory nations can basically disregard certain provisions or all of it without any further effect. That means that the battle against some of this specific convention's provisions mostly needs to be fought on a national level, although it would of course be better if these things were not ratified in the first place.

There's a very real danger of conventions like this to grow into a "meta-government" only within reach of lobbyists, especially if additional meta-government enforcement measures are provided, e.g. through the WTO in the case of certain WIPO treaties. But in this specific case, as in the Hague Convention, it should be possible for Europeans to lobby effectively against blatant violations of free speech and new privacy-violationg laws on a national level. Just don't be fooled by politicians telling you that they have to obey "international treaties". Tell them what you think these treaties, signed without any prior democratic discourse whatsoever, are really worth.

Re:How relevant? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549938)

First, although it may seem like it, the COE has nothing to do with the European Union. The "Cybercrime Convention" has received some attention, but I hope that it is not as relevant as people claim it is. Similar to other such international treaties, signatory nations can basically disregard certain provisions or all of it without any further effect. That means that the battle against some of this specific convention's provisions mostly needs to be fought on a national level, although it would of course be better if these things were not ratified in the first place.

There's a very real danger of conventions like this to grow into a "meta-government" only within reach of lobbyists, especially if additional meta-government enforcement measures are provided, e.g. through the WTO in the case of certain WIPO treaties. But in this specific case, as in the Hague Convention, it should be possible for Europeans to lobby effectively against blatant violations of free speech and new privacy-violationg laws on a national level. Just don't be fooled by politicians telling you that they have to obey "international treaties". Tell them what you think these treaties, signed without any prior democratic discourse whatsoever, are really worth.

some of this text was borrowed from Eloquence under permission from the original author.

Re:How relevant? (1)

Eloquence (144160) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549979)

Thanks, I take your copying as a compliment. Please repost this in other forums, too.

Re:How relevant? (4, Informative)

Zeinfeld (263942) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549949)

First, although it may seem like it, the COE has nothing to do with the European Union. The "Cybercrime Convention" has received some attention, but I hope that it is not as relevant as people claim it is. Similar to other such international treaties, signatory nations can basically disregard certain provisions or all of it without any further effect.

Council of Europe meetings are typically held behind closed doors and are usually attended by civil servants rather than ministers. Legislators sometimes attend but there is no democratic mandate and national parliaments do not consider COE decisions to be binding, in fact they are rarely even reported in the European press.

As a result the decisions made tend to be all things to all people. The decision will require legislation that considers X while also considering ~X.

European Union legislation is very different. EU directives are binding on the member states. But the voting rules are pretty complex and there is some democratic input in the form of the EU parliament. National parliaments still have to vote through the implementation legislation.

Sad Reality (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549907)

True freedom includes the right to hate others.

Stupid Eurotrash (1, Funny)

IvyMike (178408) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549909)

Ooops, now I'm in trouble.

It only confirms that the 1st amendment is unique (4, Insightful)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549910)

Many U.S. folks take the 1st amendment for granted. However, freedom of speech, embedded in the U.S. constitution, is a fairly unique gem in this world.

In France for example, you can easily go to jail if you say anything about the Jews : for example, if your opinion is that most banking establishments are run by Jews and you voice it publicly, you open yourself to antisemitic lawsuits against you, and most likely lost by you as well. That opinion isn't particularly antisemitic, and is frankly quite dumb (IMHO), but it's your right to have it. Just don't say it otherwise you could be in trouble.

If the same laws were even proposed in the U.S., people would scream bloody murder, and it's good. But in Europe, things like that happen all the time and people don't even notice.

So, what is surprising here ? nothing. This is a piece of non-news (for Europeans) reported by the US-centric Slashdot team. It's exactly like the Nazi memorabilia ban France tried to impose on Yahoo.

Re:It only confirms that the 1st amendment is uniq (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549924)

-1, Captain Obvious Nominee

Re:It only confirms that the 1st amendment is uniq (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549940)

You are right to a point since the same atitude exists in the US: Dont diss the jews....you can fuck with other people all you want, but dont say a word about the jews.

You can make fun, very openly, against...hmm, lets say any country the US has bombed the past 2 decades, as much as you want but if you were to make the samne comments about jews, you'd be lucky to have your shirt left.

I think that's how we should measure if a remark, joke or comment is racist. If you're not sure if something is offensive, just change the word Pollock, Iraqui or Mexican (or whatver group) for jew.

We have different rules for different groups....

Re:It only confirms that the 1st amendment is uniq (1)

cpt kangarooski (3773) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549969)

I don't really think so. I'm Jewish and I could care less what other people say. But I'll tell you this -- sometimes I wish that we _did_ run everything as is sometimes claimed. Then I could get a better job. ;)

Anyway I'm definately opposed to censorship. You won't catch me claiming that offensive speech should be silenced.

Re:It only confirms that the 1st amendment is uniq (5, Funny)

Tachys (445363) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549995)

Yeah I'm glad in the US we don't censor anything on TV,Radio or the internet like the beepheads at the European Union. I mean what a bunch of beepholes.

Re:It only confirms that the 1st amendment is uniq (1)

dytin (517293) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550012)

If the same laws were even proposed in the U.S., people would scream bloody murder, and it's good.

The problem is, after Sept. 11, people probably wouldn't scream bloody murder. I think that Slashdot readers probably understand that free speech is necessary for a free society, but unfortunately there are a lot of dumb/ignorant people out there that think that the U.S. should be censoring speech. It really is too bad, but if you look around you, you'll see many of your own rights gradually slipping away.

Oh well, so much for Voltaire. (5, Interesting)

hearingaid (216439) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549911)

I mean, c'mon. You'd think Europeans would learn after a few centuries or so that trying to make bad people shut up doesn't really work.

No, I'm not an American.

Re:Oh well, so much for Voltaire. (2)

Baldrson (78598) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549983)

I mean, c'mon. You'd think Europeans would learn after a few centuries or so that trying to make bad people shut up doesn't really work.

What about making good people shut up?

Does that "work"?

Re:Oh well, so much for Voltaire. (2)

supabeast! (84658) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549985)

It is sort of funny how Europeans went through the horror of the Nazis burning books and censoring everything, and years later seek to prevent Nazist hate with censorship...

*sigh*

Why? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549919)

Why is racist/hate speech wrong?

For example, I hate MSCE's, and we all know that they're inferior to the rest of us.

What's wrong with stating that? Are MSCE's going to get offended? Then let them be offended! And let them learn how to patch IIS so it isn't assaulted by countless virii!

On a more serious note, this is indeed stupid. Perhaps racist and hate speech is wrong, however, everyone's entitled to their opinion. What's next? Book burning?

Harry Potter, burn 'em all, they promote witchcraft. Get rid of those copies of The Charge of the Light Brigade. Man, if that doesn't promote violence, I don't know what does. Don't get me started on Tolkien..

Sounds ridiculous, eh? Not so much. If someone wants to believe something they read, whether that be that a certain race is inferior, or that the Nazgul are chasing them down.. Well, shouldn't it be their choice whether or not to believe it?

Banning hate speech from the internet isn't going to make the problem go away. Nor will banning it from being written anywhere else. You could always make it illegal to even speak hate, but in the end, if someone wishes to hate something, be it a person, place, thing, or an entire race, they will.

And there's not a damned thing you can do about it.

Fight now, Europeans, or become slaves to tyranny.

Damn whiteys (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549922)

Damn fucking white europeans. I bet their faggots too.

This plan is absurd (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549926)

No doubt, it was schemed up by Jews. Those fucking parasites don't want anyone badmouthing them. Get rid of the Jews and we get rid of our problems.

BAN hate speech? (2)

LazyDawg (519783) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549930)

If you ban sites like http://www.godhatesfags.com from spouting their idiocy, then all kinds of poor saps on usenet will have to make up their own strawmen to shoot down.

It helps so much more to have these morons right there, where everyone can see, laugh, cry or whatever it is they do when they see such silly sites.

Why support a government that doesn't want its people to feel strong emotions?

Re:BAN hate speech? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549953)

I don't understand, FAQs are pretty useful and I don't see why God hates them.

Link... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549981)

God Hates Fags [godhatesfags.com]

Scope, political beliefs, ideologies, etc (3, Informative)

Courageous (228506) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549942)


One of the reasons that things like this concern civil libertarians is that its really not a very big step from hate speech to politically unpopular speech. In the United States, jurisprudence is such that many forms of speech and expression, including things both hateful or vulgar, can quite easily also be considered statments of political content, and therefor protected on general principle.

C//

i wish (-1, Offtopic)

SlaveTroll (535702) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549952)

they'd pass a ban on cmdrtaco's homosexuality

Re:i wish (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549957)

No, we want CmdrTaco's homosexuality subsidized by European governments so that he spends all his time there and ends up looking like goatse man.

Visit my friends (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549954)

Read this week's National Alliance broadcast [natall.com] for excellent commentary on current events. The National Alliance [natall.com] . Fighting for YOU, White Man.

Free speech? There's a difference. (5, Informative)

at-b (31918) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549958)

Right now, 300 of you are probably starting to write replies, all in the vein of..

Free speech doesn't end where you disagree with what the other person has to say. You can't muzzle people just because they're evil or stupid. Information wants to be free, even if it'll be misused. etc.

To all of those people - will you please not talk about things you don't understand? It's very easy to talk about freedom of speech whilst being very far away from the real issues, posting comfortably over your DSL link. Right here, right now, teenagers are being seduced into neo-fascist ideological groups every day. In France alone, there are local governments which have started banning books and newspapers that oppose them; Germany saw hundreds of attacks on blacks and non-Germans, with many of them dying in the attacks.

People were burned to death in their sleep.

There's a deep-seated strain of virulent fascism in Europe that's been intermittently expressed in politics and popular culture for most of the 20th century. Hitler and Mussolini didn't come out nowhere - there were fascist governments in many European countries because the authoritarian tradition instilled by the former feudal/royal systems was a fertile breeding ground for fascists.

Sure, Germany and Italy lost the war. That doesn't change the fact that Italy has a Prime Minister with strong ties to the fascist right. That doesn't change the fact that neo-Nazi skinhead groups in Germany are getting more and more support from stupid teeangers every day. Jewish cemeteries are being defaced. Blacks are attacked, asylum seeker homes are burned down.

What's that have to do with freedom of speech? Someone once said that in order to stop the hate, you'd have to kill all the grandmothers. (paraphrasing badly, basically in order to stop having hate passed on through generation)

Hitler's autobiography Mein Kampf (My Struggle) remains banned in Germany. Even though public education in Germany is far better than in the US, with history being one of the most thoroughly-taught subjects, and the Nazi regime being thoroughly exposed as the evil that it was, a small minority will still flock to neo-fascist ideals. They will use everything they can as propaganda material. They will find followers - probably not many, but enough. People are being killed by those 'few' followers. Hate is being spread. A lot of harm has been done to Europe through politics of hate, wars have been started, millions and millions have been killed.

The internet is difficult to regulate. Neo-nazis use it to co-ordinate their activities unchecked, and to spread as much hate-filled material through the net as possible. You can't make accessing it impossible, but you can make accessing it illegal. You can make it illegal to spread false propaganda that's only intended to harm people and cause harm. You have to try.

Most of you haven't lived through the type of hate that's being spread by the hate speech being banned. It's easy to be an armchair critic. It's easy to criticize. Please don't. I know many of you will say that the only way to fight this is by allowing the complete and unfettered flow of information, with public education taking center stage to show the people how wrong all of that hate speech is. Sure. That has been done, for more than half a century now. But a small minority persists, a small minority causing a disproportionate amount of evil.

Yes, we have to be very careful not to let matters escalate too much - after all, who watches the watchment? It's important to note that banning hate speech is an approach that crosses party lines in Europe: in Germany, both the ruling Socialist/Green coalition and the right- and left-wing opposition are strongly in favour of dealing harshly with neo-Nazis.

In closing, hate speech is a genuine problem. There are very, very few solutions to dealing with it, and trying to criminalize its flow is one of the few approaches we have.

Maybe you want to think about that next time you make fun of France banning Yahoo! nazi auctions. A lot of the stuff auctioned off could conceivably be worn by people burning down houses simply because they didn't like the skin colour of the people living in them.

Alex T-B
St Andrews

Hitler started like that (-1)

ArchieBunker (132337) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549973)

By banning unpopular books and ideas. Pretty soon they started to register and confiscate all personal firearms, then started making children wear uniforms to school. The last part was rounding up jews for the gas chambers.

Whats the big deal if someone starts a hate group? Its perfectly within their rights to hate someone. Don't even get me started on thought police, I should be able to hate anyone I please, within the limits of the law. By the fuck france. Germany yells "BOO" and you surrender.

Re:Free speech? There's a difference. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549974)

I can sum up your post in a few sentences. Ready?

"Blah blah blah RACIST blah blah BAD blah blah CENSOR blah blah GOVERNMENT blah blah PROTECT OUR CHILDREN blah blah SKINHEAD blah NAZI blah blah JEW JEW JEW JEW JEW"

Don't tell me what Skinheads think or do or teach. I _AM_ a Skinhead. I leave politics out of things most of the time. I'm a Skin and a member of the working class before I'm anything else. And in case you're wondering, yes I do have WP leanings. It doesn't mean I go out and set fire to churches and throw bricks at synogogues. It means that I am proud I am White, proud of my history, and see no reason why non-Whites should get special treatment.

Ban this! It's disgusting!! (-1)

The WIPO Troll (267426) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550005)

What is "Taco-snotting?"

"Taco-snotting" is a term used by Rob Malda of Slashdot, otherwise known as CmdrTaco, to refer to the practice of sucking off a homosexual man (or unwilling heterosexual) and blowing the semen back out his nose onto the other man's face or body. Usually a long stream of semen is left on CmdrTaco's face, dribbling out of his nose: hence the term, "Taco-snotting."

Have you ever been Taco-Snotted?

Unfortunately, yes. I met CmdrTaco at an Open Source convention and he invited me back to his room for a game of Quake. When I got to his room, he jumped me and tied me to his bed, naked. He Taco-snotted me three times over the next two hours, sucking me to orgasm then snotting my semen onto my face, in my mouth, then again on my belly.

CmdrTaco invited several of his Open Source convention (or rather, Open Sauce convention, man sauce) buddies over to continue the snotfest. Linux Torvalds raped my ass with his monolithic kernel, and Anal Cox used his network stack in various unspeakable ways.

Why am I getting emails from CmdrTaco asking me if I would enjoy a round of Taco-snotting with him?

You may have recently received an email similar to the following:
From: cmdrtaco@slashdot.org
To: wipotroll@hotmail.com
Subject: Hey, baby - jion me in a taco-snott! :)

Hey, baby!

Ever done a Taco-snotting with anothar fellow geek? Its more fun then trolling Slashdot, trust me! All that talk you troll with about homasexual incest and stuff got me all horny and hot for you! Is it serius? Please tell me that itt is! If you want to get with me and my Slashdot bois, drop me an emale!

ps- Please replie to me at horny_rob_6969@hotmail.com. I'd rather the guys at VA Linux are not seen this. :) :)

--
CmdrTaco (cmdrtaco@slashdot.org)
You most likely accidentally forgot to uncheck the "Willing to Taco-snot" checkbox in your preferences. Whenever CmdrTaco gets bored, he roams through the Slashdot database, penis in hand, looking for people who might enjoy being Taco-snotted. And this time, he found you. Lucky you.

CmdrTaco probably already got the hots for your semen, and there's no escaping a geek in hear, so it's probably too late, but you can possibly rectify this situation. To remove yourself from the listings, log into your Slashdot account, go to your user page, click on You, and uncheck the box next to "Willing to Taco-snot."

I can't stop receiving these emails from CmdrTaco!?

Probably not. If you indulge him in a Taco-snot or two, he might leave you alone. You might also want to look into mail filtering, or purchasing a heavy, blunt object to ward off rampaging homosexual geeks in heat. Trust me, when they charge... oh, the humanity. If he gets you, and you let him Taco-snot you, he might chain you up in his basement and use you as his sex slave for the rest of your life, or until he accidentally drowns you in cum while using you as his sex pony in a "circle-snot." It very nearly happened to me.

What is a "Circle-snot"?

A "circle-snot" is a Taco-snotting circle-jerk: When CmdrTaco, CowboiKneel, and Homos get together and Taco-snot each other with their gooey, hot and sticky cum, spooging all over each other's faces and bodies until they're covered with their sticky, sweet man juice. Roblowme usually provides extra lubricant; he owns a limo service and has ample supplies of motor oil and axle grease.

To complete the circle, Michael, Timothy, and Jamie sometimes join in, dressed in Nazi Gestapo uniforms, jack boots, and leather gloves. They all then proceed to snot each other's cum and whip each other's asses with riding crops and cattleprods until their pasty, white geek bodies are exhausted from all the passionate, homosexual revelry.

Does Jon Katz get involved in this? I thought he was a paedophile, not a homosexual.

Actually, he's a homosexual paedophile. He's also a coprophiliac, and a zoophile. Jon Katz is somewhat of a loner and doesn't involve himself in circle-snots. Mr. Katz usually engages in a game called "Katz juicy-douching" with his harem of little boys, which involves administering an enema to himself of little-boy urine, spooging the vile muck from his ass into a plastic bag, then slathering the goo all over his little boy's chained up and naked bodies. Unwilling boys are tortured until they comply and allow Mr. Katz to juice-douche them for the rest of their lives.

As I already said, Mr. Katz is also a zoophile. As if the sexual escapades with the little boys aren't enough, Jon usually enjoys his juicy-douches best when his penis is firmly planted in a goat's anus. He also is rumoured to get off on making his little boys eat the goat's small, bean-like turds.

Are you getting hard writing this?

Why, yes. :) Join me in a WIPO-snot?

No, thanks. I'm already Taco's boi toi.


$Id: tacosnotting.txt,v 1.3 2001/11/09 23:48:44 wipo Exp $

No, there isn't (2, Insightful)

bwoodring (101515) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550009)

I don't disagree that racism and fascism are serious problems in Europe, but those are serious problems everywhere, including the United States. We have the Klu Klux Klan, and Al Sharpton and every other kind of maniac you could imagine. But we also have a key philosophical premise that it is unacceptable to make thought or speech illegal, because that is the real root of facism: the desire to control another persons thoughts and actions.

if you do this.. (1)

SlaveTroll (535702) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549961)

if you ban hate/racist speech you have to ban the things anyone considers racist or hateful.. to some the word niggers is racist, to others its not. if you only ban certain words then that is being racist to the people that don't like words you don't ban.

Stupid Liberals (1)

spanky555 (148893) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549962)

Once again, liberals are demonstrating that they are the modern-day Nazis...only they do it under a the guise of "for the children", and other feel-good nonsense. Free speech is free speech. It comes with the danger that it may be offensive. It's no big deal to defend speech that isn't. Liberals are all for "diversity", but apparently that only applies to diversity of skin, diversity of lifestyles, etc. It apparently doesn't apply to diversity of opinions.

What's next, a book-burning? Ooops, I forgot, liberals are already doing that on campuses. Well, newspapers that dared to print something that liberals didn't agree with, anyway. See: Brown University and the PAID advertisement of an individual who was refuting the absolute nonsense of paying reparations for slavery. That justified a good ol' fashioned newspaper burnin'. If you think that reparations should be paid, that's fine, discuss it in an open forum, logically and rationally. Burning newspapers is about as anti-American as it gets. But this new breed of liberal is hardly pro-American anyway...

Oh BTW, the UN has been targetting our rights (ie, Second Amendment) for years. They are irrelevant anyway: they kicked US off the human rights commission??!!! We (the U.S.) are the only reason there is any decency in the world at all, and don't ever forget that!! Sudan was nominated as one of our replacements on the human rights commission (and I think got the position). What a farce. Sudan has been ACTIVELY practicing slavery until at least the 80's. They may be doing it even now. Why the UN gives voice to absolute criminals like this is beyond understanding.

Ban Taco-Snotting NNOOWW!! (-1)

The WIPO Troll (267426) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549972)

What is "Taco-snotting?"

"Taco-snotting" is a term used by Rob Malda of Slashdot, otherwise known as CmdrTaco, to refer to the practice of sucking off a homosexual man (or unwilling heterosexual) and blowing the semen back out his nose onto the other man's face or body. Usually a long stream of semen is left on CmdrTaco's face, dribbling out of his nose: hence the term, "Taco-snotting."

Have you ever been Taco-Snotted?

Unfortunately, yes. I met CmdrTaco at an Open Source convention and he invited me back to his room for a game of Quake. When I got to his room, he jumped me and tied me to his bed, naked. He Taco-snotted me three times over the next two hours, sucking me to orgasm then snotting my semen onto my face, in my mouth, then again on my belly.

CmdrTaco invited several of his Open Source convention (or rather, Open Sauce convention, man sauce) buddies over to continue the snotfest. Linux Torvalds raped my ass with his monolithic kernel, and Anal Cox used his network stack in various unspeakable ways.

Why am I getting emails from CmdrTaco asking me if I would enjoy a round of Taco-snotting with him?

You may have recently received an email similar to the following:
From: cmdrtaco@slashdot.org
To: wipotroll@hotmail.com
Subject: Hey, baby - jion me in a taco-snott! :)

Hey, baby!

Ever done a Taco-snotting with anothar fellow geek? Its more fun then trolling Slashdot, trust me! All that talk you troll with about homasexual incest and stuff got me all horny and hot for you! Is it serius? Please tell me that itt is! If you want to get with me and my Slashdot bois, drop me an emale!

ps- Please replie to me at horny_rob_6969@hotmail.com. I'd rather the guys at VA Linux are not seen this. :) :)

--
CmdrTaco (cmdrtaco@slashdot.org)
You most likely accidentally forgot to uncheck the "Willing to Taco-snot" checkbox in your preferences. Whenever CmdrTaco gets bored, he roams through the Slashdot database, penis in hand, looking for people who might enjoy being Taco-snotted. And this time, he found you. Lucky you.

CmdrTaco probably already got the hots for your semen, and there's no escaping a geek in hear, so it's probably too late, but you can possibly rectify this situation. To remove yourself from the listings, log into your Slashdot account, go to your user page, click on You, and uncheck the box next to "Willing to Taco-snot."

I can't stop receiving these emails from CmdrTaco!?

Probably not. If you indulge him in a Taco-snot or two, he might leave you alone. You might also want to look into mail filtering, or purchasing a heavy, blunt object to ward off rampaging homosexual geeks in heat. Trust me, when they charge... oh, the humanity. If he gets you, and you let him Taco-snot you, he might chain you up in his basement and use you as his sex slave for the rest of your life, or until he accidentally drowns you in cum while using you as his sex pony in a "circle-snot." It very nearly happened to me.

What is a "Circle-snot"?

A "circle-snot" is a Taco-snotting circle-jerk: When CmdrTaco, CowboiKneel, and Homos get together and Taco-snot each other with their gooey, hot and sticky cum, spooging all over each other's faces and bodies until they're covered with their sticky, sweet man juice. Roblowme usually provides extra lubricant; he owns a limo service and has ample supplies of motor oil and axle grease.

To complete the circle, Michael, Timothy, and Jamie sometimes join in, dressed in Nazi Gestapo uniforms, jack boots, and leather gloves. They all then proceed to snot each other's cum and whip each other's asses with riding crops and cattleprods until their pasty, white geek bodies are exhausted from all the passionate, homosexual revelry.

Does Jon Katz get involved in this? I thought he was a paedophile, not a homosexual.

Actually, he's a homosexual paedophile. He's also a coprophiliac, and a zoophile. Jon Katz is somewhat of a loner and doesn't involve himself in circle-snots. Mr. Katz usually engages in a game called "Katz juicy-douching" with his harem of little boys, which involves administering an enema to himself of little-boy urine, spooging the vile muck from his ass into a plastic bag, then slathering the goo all over his little boy's chained up and naked bodies. Unwilling boys are tortured until they comply and allow Mr. Katz to juice-douche them for the rest of their lives.

As I already said, Mr. Katz is also a zoophile. As if the sexual escapades with the little boys aren't enough, Jon usually enjoys his juicy-douches best when his penis is firmly planted in a goat's anus. He also is rumoured to get off on making his little boys eat the goat's small, bean-like turds.

Are you getting hard writing this?

Why, yes. :) Join me in a WIPO-snot?

No, thanks. I'm already Taco's boi toi.


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B'nai Brith (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549975)

-Disclaimer 1: Forgive me for posting AC, but well, I fear the consequences that publicly opposing jews could have, and many people know who is behind my /. name.

-Disclaimer 2: This post is not meant to be anti-semitic, just a criticism of the jewish anti-defamation league.

This sort of thing is the work of B'nai Brith, the jewish anti-defamation league. The jews have been unable to defend themselves for centuries, so after World War II, they used post-holocaust sympathy to earn political favor and push for this sort of censorship. Why? Because the jews are now so fractured religiously and politically that they can no longer protect themselves, so they rely on others instead. People all over the world need to rise up against jewish anti-defamation leagues, and make them realize that if they want to protect themselves, they need to find better ways to do it than censorship.

But... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549976)

Will it still be okay to hate the French?

euro network (2)

JDizzy (85499) | more than 12 years ago | (#2549984)

Well then.... if Euro folks are so adimate to censor people, then why don't they just create a proxie, and firewall, for their people? This would shelter their citizens from all that evil free speech, and free expression. While thier at it, why not just physically remove the internet, and replace it with euro-net.... a fully contained intra-net for euro folks that is protected from the hate-mongers?

serriously folks, the most logical reason this amendment is being slipped in is because the USA court rulled that Frenchy anti-hate laws do not apply to USA based companies. I would not doubt it to find that a french person sponsored this addition into being. IT is too ironic that this slips in not even a week after the USA court rullings.

"I HATE YOU"

OOOO.. oh no... I said it.... now I'm going to be banned in Europe.... and slahsdot is going to be sued in a French court....... its a damn shame.

Go ahead... balkanize the internet.... the folks in the USA wiull simply go on with what we have always done... freely express ourselves. And the folks in Europ will still do what they always do... read USA internet sites.

As if anything is going to change by this.... it might lift the ego of some politician for a year or two. If Europe folks are so advanced, and enlightend then it would seem that they would be mature enough to simply not look at the hatefull items on the net....

First amendment is like the second to some (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2549990)

I recall seeing a article on a monument in the US for free speech. It was a chalkboard where anyone could write anything and everyone was worried about obscenities, racist opinions, etc. The whole thing about what about the children came up and the guy who designed it said with half a smile something like, "Nowadays the first amendment wouldn't pass." It's a shame that so many "democratic" governments wish to ban speech.
Also in this article was a great quote to the effect of you can drown out bad speech with something else.
This is one of the many things that scares me about the left. They are a lot more fervent about banning speech than the right. They are real good about whitewashing speech before they need to ban it too.

What constitutes hate speech? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2550003)

Does anyone know of any objective definitions of hate speech (or hate crimes) other than "stuff I don't like?"
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