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More Copy Protected CDs?

CmdrTaco posted more than 12 years ago | from the beware-of-disc dept.

Technology 406

Mahonrimoriancumer writes "There are a lot of CDs that have been released recently which can't be played on the computer or *laugh* ripped. Apparently only a few markets have the 'copy protected' CDs while the rest don't. Here is a list of some that are 'protected.' Does anyone know of other CDs with this problem?" I own at least one CD on that list and it ripped just fine, so perhaps that are different versions of the CDs on the market

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406 comments

n'sync (1, Funny)

rdnzl (60280) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550857)

hes got the n'sync cd.

Re:n'sync (-1)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550868)

Fuck you.

Re:n'sync (-1)

insomniac (33758) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550906)

fuck yo mama [imdb.com]

I heard of Sting (3, Insightful)

Zeinfeld (263942) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550872)

The rest of the bands might as well be enciphered for all I care. Probably just means that I am old.

The 'anti-rip' technologies all work by exploiting bugs in the CDROM drivers that cause the ripping software to break. If the CDROM drivers start to break on large numbers of CDs then the manufacturers will be forced to fix them.

I suspect that Amazon and the like will find these CDs unecconomic to sell as the number of returns is going to be high. The CDROM driver bugs are not going to be unique to CDROMs. Expect Amazon to start pro-actively warning customers that certain CDs have a very high rate of return.

Re:I heard of Sting (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2550883)

Not only will the rate of return be high, but if folks are smart they'll use their credit card's guaranteed return policy - then, not only will Amazon (or a store you visit and return an item to in 3D) lose your business, they'll have to pay fairly large penalty fees and risk their relationship with the card issuer.

Re:I heard of Sting (1, Redundant)

Pakaran2 (138209) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550901)

(sorry, didn't mean this to be anonymous)

Not only will the rate of return be high, but if folks are smart they'll use their credit card's guaranteed return policy - then, not only will Amazon (or a store you visit and return an item to in 3D) lose your business, they'll have to pay fairly large penalty fees and risk their relationship with the card issuer.

CD rips (3, Interesting)

Anarchos (122228) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550873)

The System of a Down cd ripped fine for me, although I have Jimmy Eat World: Bleed American and I can't rip it. Musicmatch Jukebox gives an error of "buffer too large, switch to analog mode" when using DAE and in analog mode it just crashes.

Re:CD rips (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2550932)

There are two versions of the System of a Down disc. There's a full-color cover version [amazon.com] and a 'Limited-Edition' red cover version [amazon.com] .

I have the red cover version. I just ripped it with cdparanoia on a panasonic CW-7502. It sounds fine.

Re:CD rips (1)

Anarchos (122228) | more than 12 years ago | (#2551011)

Ah good call, I have the red cover version too.

Re:CD rips (1)

mindriot (96208) | more than 12 years ago | (#2551038)

Jimmy Eat World? Absolutely no trouble with that one. cdda2wav worked perfectly on my TEAC CD-R58S.

Re:CD rips (1)

ibpooks (127372) | more than 12 years ago | (#2551063)

My System of a Down CD also ripped flawlessly on my Creative PC-DVD drive.

Interesting article (4, Interesting)

Burritos (535298) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550875)

Here [perkigoth.com] is an interesting article about Copy Protected CDs..

I remember reading somewhere that there was a copy protected cd released, that you could play on your computer, it had propeitary software and 128 kbps mp3s.

Re:Interesting article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2550935)

There was a /. article about that, I believe it was WMA files though, not MP3s.

Re:Interesting article (2, Interesting)

InShadows (103008) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550993)

It might have been this article [theregister.co.uk] on theregister [theregister.co.uk] about Natlie Imbruglia's cd.

The cd contains a Windows only application that will allow the user to listen to all the songs on their computer in an mp3 format without them able to rip the cd. Therefore computers with anything but Windows will not be able to run the program.

How's that for being able to choose the medium you wish to listen to music?

InShadows

Unbreakable copy protection! (5, Funny)

tonyc.com (520592) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550876)

I got a CD the other day with the only truly unbreakable copy protection I've seen. They did it by leaving out the metal layer and, apparrently, the pits which seem so easily copyable. The result is a disc which is almost completely transparent.

Sadly, the disc is unplayable on any of my equipment. Perhaps the publisher anticipated that kind of problem, and that's why they didn't label it, and included it for free on the top of a spindle of CD-R's I bought.

Hopefully, someday all copy-protected CD's will be distributed that way.

Re:Unbreakable copy protection! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2550947)

h4r h4r h4r :-)

Re:Unbreakable copy protection! (1, Offtopic)

NMerriam (15122) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550989)

Seriously, though -- how many of us have had to show up and "fix" a CD-R drive because the user put in that stupid plastic disc?

I'm beginning to think they should label it with "this is not a blank CD -- it is a useless piece of plastic. Just throw it away" (like the books that have "this page intentionally left blank")...

Re:Unbreakable copy protection! (3, Funny)

neema (170845) | more than 12 years ago | (#2551048)

""this page intentionally left blank"

Isn't it impossible for that to be written on a blank page?

Civilization III copy-protected? (1, Interesting)

Helevius (456392) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550877)

This doesn't involve music, but it's related. Has anyone successfully made a backup copy of Civilization III?

What sort of anti-backup protection exists for CD-ROMs? Are corrupted sectors used, as was the case with magentic media?

Helevius

Re:Civilization III copy-protected? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2550905)

It's Macrovision's SafeDisc2 protection. Just scout around on the web a bit. There's ways to dupe it if you have the right CD-RW drive, or replace the executable with an unprotected version.

Re:Civilization III copy-protected? (1)

X-Dopple (213116) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550973)

There are a number of anti-backup technologies available for the content producers to use. The most common ones, according to gamecopyworld.com, are:

- SafeDisc
- SecuROM
- LaserLock
- CopyLock

sooner or later.. (1, Funny)

jeffy124 (453342) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550878)

sooner o^&%$r later )(^the p@#$%rogrammer@$#%s of the w#$%#$orld wi@$#%ll find@#$% a wa%^&@#y past (*&^:the ju"%@#$nk data~!$ in tho>umans %*^%will fin":?+d our w#@%!%^ay throug_){"h this (fi%$#rst?) po#$st

Re:sooner or later.. (5, Funny)

jeffy124 (453342) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550891)

ah shit, that worked well. I put in some angle brackets that got misinterpreted as html

what I meant to say was:
sooner o^&%$r later )(^the p@#$%rogrammer@$#%s of the w#$%#$orld wi@$#%ll find@#$% a wa%^&@#y past (*&^:the ju"%@#$nk data~!$ in thos^$@e CD's, mu}_(ch how hu:_^mans %*%will fin":?+d our w#@%!%^ay throug_){"h this (fi%$#rst?) po#$st

Re:sooner or later.. (1)

CTho9305 (264265) | more than 12 years ago | (#2551045)

sorry you got modded down - I think that is funny / insightful.

If you can get a raw read of the CD, you can always use software to pull out the valid stuff. The easy way to read your post would be a simple perl script to strip all non-[A-Z][a-z] chars ;)

A new era of copyright protection: (1, Funny)

ajuda (124386) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550879)

In a brilliant new move by a consortium backed by Sony and Microsoft, companies are now beginning to use copy protection that prevents the playing of the CDs in any device whatsoever.

The companies are convinced that this move will keep sales up while thwarting evil hackers.

This doesn't look like a troll to me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2550903)

I think this makes a good point! Lately, companies have been preventing users from doing things by preventing fair use: DVDs, E-Books and CDs. This is the future, face it.

How does that help? (5, Funny)

hatchet (528688) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550882)

The funniest thing is, that most cds are being ripped months before offical release... probably from a source that does not have such protection. And I bet all those albums on protected list are already ripped and availbile on internet.
As far as i'm concerned... such protection just lowers overall quality of CD.

Stop using the phrase Copy Protection... (5, Insightful)

Kiro (220724) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550884)

I would like to request that people stop using the phrase "copy protection" and instead use the term "copy prevention"

This has a number of advantages:
- copy protection implies that copying is bad (which it is not)

- copy prevention implies that the music industry is preventing me from making a legitimate copy. (which it is)

- copy prevention (somewhat) signifies that it is futile to prevent people to make copies. They can try and they might stop 90% of the people but it just takes 1 person to get this on MP3 and upload it to the net for the cat to be out of the bag

.

Re:Stop using the phrase Copy Protection... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2550892)

I would like to request that you shut up.

When did hackers declare themselves to be the final arbiters of the English language?

People will use whatever terms to convey the most meaning to the most people.

Gay doesn't mean happy nowadays. There's nothing you can do about it.

Re:Stop using the phrase Copy Protection... (-1)

Cheesy Fool (530943) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550914)

> Gay doesn't mean happy nowadays. There's nothing > you can do about it.

What is the definition of gay nowadays? It doesn't seem to mean homosexual anymore. I've seem people come software gay so I don't think they mean happy/homosexual but rather bad or shit software.

Re:Stop using the phrase Copy Protection... (-1)

Cheesy Fool (530943) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550924)

s/come/call/

Re:Stop using the phrase Copy Protection... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2550976)

just got too excited when you were thinking about hot, gay software, eh? suddenly your mind and your pants could only think about 'coming'.

you sickass pervert.

gay means homosexual. to call software gay is to say that that piece of software is BAD and WRONG, like a homosexual.

Re:Stop using the phrase Copy Protection... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2551020)

Hey Mr. English,
Since when is someone considered a "hacker" (I'm sure you meant cracker) if they make a legitimate copy of their favorite song...
Notice, hacker and cracker are not the same.

Sync

Re:Stop using the phrase Copy Protection... (4, Insightful)

Dr. Awktagon (233360) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550902)

Amen, amen to that, try also "copy interference". Because they're not preventing any copying, they just make you do it differently.

Or heck just "intentionally damaged" or whatever, anything to get away from their terminology.

Re:Stop using the phrase Copy Protection... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2550918)

The phrase Copy Protection has probably been around longer than you have. It fits the situation, so why change it?

The changes made to the disc help "protect" it from unauthorized copies, much like a safe protects your valuables.

Correction (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2551030)

The changes made to the disc help "protect" it from unauthorized copies, much like encasing your stereo in cement protects it from being stolen.

Re:Stop using the phrase Copy Protection... (4, Insightful)

Webmonger (24302) | more than 12 years ago | (#2551016)

I think better terms are "copy control" or "usage restriction". The point is that they want to control how you use what you buy.

what is wrong with copy protection? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2550886)

is there anything wrong with music companies putting copy protection on their cds?

I see it as a good thing to protect themselves from pirates.

Why is slashdot always against anything that companies do to protect themselves?

Re:what is wrong with copy protection? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2550920)

You like Micro$oft's activation as well don't you?

Re:what is wrong with copy protection? (-1)

Cheesy Fool (530943) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550933)

Because it is not illegal to copy a CD for backup purposes.

Re:what is wrong with copy protection? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2550945)

yea, but if a company makes it hard or near imposssible to copy it, there's nothing illegal or wrong with that.

How come nobody makes a big deal about the copy protection almost every big computer game?

Re:what is wrong with copy protection? (5, Insightful)

fmaxwell (249001) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550982)

yea, but if a company makes it hard or near imposssible to copy it, there's nothing illegal or wrong with that.

They are selling the items as "Compact Discs." My computers, JVC MP3/CD car stereo, and Riovolt portable MP3/CD player all play Compact Discs. So if I buy a disc and it does not play in them, it is not a Compact Disc. The companies producing the disc in question will have wasted my time -- with is worth far more than the $19 price of the CD.

There is a standard for audio CDs and it is well documented. If these companies are going to sell something that does not meet the standard, then they should not be advertising them as being "Compact Discs."

Re:what is wrong with copy protection? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2551074)

Except, the requirement to use the little CD icon is paying money, not meeting the standard. They never claim to meet the standard anywhere.

In two words: low quality (1)

mangu (126918) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550968)

Read the above posts: copy prevention lowers the quality of the CDs. They become more difficult to play, even if no copying is intended. They may be (and often are) unusable even in CD players without CD-copying capability.

Hooray for classical (1)

Faust7 (314817) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550890)

Good thing my musical tastes are almost entirely classical--I hardly saw any on that list. Brahms forever! :)

Re:Hooray for classical (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2550921)

Unfortunately my taste runs to nigger music. Nigger music usually is pirated so you will see more copy protection on nigger music. *Sigh*.

Another one to the list (2, Interesting)

Cheesy_Poof_Man (473060) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550893)

I can't get Bush's new cd "Golden State" to play in Winamp. It only works when i press play on my cd-rom drive. Hum, wierd.

Re:Another one to the list (1)

TomK32 (411719) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550900)

I doubt that Golden State is cdopy-protected, why should I allready found it in the net?

I love Audiogalaxy [audiogalaxy.com] !

Re:Another one to the list (1)

Pakaran2 (138209) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550908)

Yeah... I think a good start would be getting the latest version of WinAmp, and I doubt even the RIAA would be STUPID enough to use a protection strategy that only blocks playing in WinAmp, not other programs or whatever.

Re:Another one to the list (0, Troll)

TomK32 (411719) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550919)

WinAMP?
never heard of, hell that's /. and you should be a *nix-User!

Re:Another one to the list (-1)

Cheesy Fool (530943) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550938)

He could still be, Winamp is available for Linux.

Re:Another one to the list (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2550944)

You know, there is Winamp for Linux [slashdot.org] too.

Re:Another one to the list (4, Informative)

DeadMeat (TM) (233768) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550978)

That's because Golden State is an Enhanced CD. Normally Windows shows audio tracks as .CDA files; Winamp registers itself to open these files. Since Enhanced CDs have actual data files in addition to audio tracks, the .CDA virtual files don't show up, and so you can't tell Winamp to open them. It's a problem with Winamp and all Enhanced CDs. Most CD players get around this by not relying on the .CDA filetype and instead reading the table-of-contents directly from the start of the disc, but Winamp unfortunately doesn't. If you manually start the Windows CD player (*shudder*) it should play fine; try it.

Copy-protection shouldn't affect Winamp anyhow since it only affects digital playback, and Winamp uses analog playback (unless you swap out the CD player plugin with one that uses digital ripping).

Re:Another one to the list (2, Informative)

mini me (132455) | more than 12 years ago | (#2551036)

In Winamp, in the CD properties, uncheck the "Sample input from soundcard". This feature on some sound cards makes the CD not play any sound.

Since the CD will play in CD drive it likely isn't protected.

running list (0, Redundant)

characterZer0 (138196) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550896)

Is there a running list of 'protected' CDs someplace? Someone should just get protectedcds.com, keep a text list, and throw a banner ad at the top. Then /. could make a slashbox for it, thus eliminating the need for these flame-bait stories.

Re:running list (2, Insightful)

jeffy124 (453342) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550910)

Take your pick of acronym:
  • FTFL (follow the f____ link)
  • RTFA (read the f____ article)

get a mac! (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2550899)

They can rip these CDs. They don't use the CD drive's analog playback function. Their drivers were designed to play CDs digitally all the way drom disc to speaker, and are not vulnerable to this copy protection thru intentional corruption scheme.

Now I wonder how long it'll be until someone sues Apple for making too good a CD player. Or forces them to downgrade their drivers.

Music industry wants to have its cake and eat it. (2, Redundant)

Anton Anatopopov (529711) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550915)

They want to sell you a 'license' to listen to the music, but then when you try and make a legitimate copy to protect your investment, they get all legalistic and accuse you of a crime.

The music industry needs to take a look at its model of doing business. The current model is fundamentally flawed.

It's not flawed if people keep buying CDs (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2551053)

Corporations are supposed to do whatever they can to make money, and their current strategy seems to be working pretty well.

funny thing is... (1)

Johnny5000 (451029) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550917)

I've seen mp3s of some of these "copy protected" songs floating around Kazaa.

So apparantly it's not stopping anyone.

-J5K

CloneCD? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2550922)

Many of the CDs on that list can be copied with CloneCD [elby.org] with most of the newer burners. Only some burners, however, can clone a SafeDisc2 CD.

What more can I say? (-1, Offtopic)

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Yeah, I have that one too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2550940)

I own at least one CD on that list and it ripped just fine...

Yeah, N'Sync: Celebrity (USA, BMG/RCA) right?
I have that one too! I ripped it fine, and played it at my friends brithday party! Great stuff! Gotta love track 7!

-N'Sync Fan Boy

What about digital out? (1)

rant-mode-on (512772) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550943)

Presumably the digital out on my CD player is unaffected? If I have a digital in on my PC, could I rip all CDs then?

Re:What about digital out? (2, Interesting)

tempfile (528337) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550974)

Yes, unless you got a CD player that sets a copy protection bit in the stream and a sound card that won't record if that bit is set.

How to copy a MediaCloq protected CD (5, Interesting)

unformed (225214) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550948)

[This is directly copied from: http://cdprot.cjb.net/ ... I'm copying it here so it doesn't get /.'ed]

Let me start off by saying that I don't even know for sure if the protection I am talking about is indeed MediaCloQ(TM)....... The symptoms look like it, but I read that MediaCloQ(TM) protected CD's would transfer you to the MediaCloQ(TM) website automatically (as soon as you insert the CD into a CD-ROM drive) where you can download music files.

I recently wanted to make a personal backup of my own CD called "The Loveparade Compilation 2001". CD2 copied fine, but CD1 could not be read by any CD-ROM player or CD burner. It would however play in any normal audio CD player. Now as a decent reverser you must understand my frustration ;-) A friend tried copying this CD with a custom audio CD copier (Philips CDR 765) which actually worked. But if you haven't patched yours to be able to write low-cost non-copyrighted CD-R's with it this is quite expensive. This copy will be able to be grabbed on a normal way.

So, next evenings I spend trying to understand what was going on here. I found out that after insertion the laser first goes to the center of the CD (the TOC or Table Of Contents where the index of the CD is stored). After this the laser went to somewhere on the outer side of the disc and started to try to read there. This is where the reader would never stop doing this and some players will hang forever in this phase.....

So what idea could be easier than to prevent the reader from reading this outer part? I made 3 paper stickers of about 25 x 20 mm and placed them on the outer side of the CD. Now the reader would read the inner TOC, then go to the outside again and after not being able to read anything there because of the stickers, the reader would be 'smart' enough to decide to stick with the inner TOC, go back to the center and read this TOC as the one and only TOC :-)

I am certainly not an expert on CD readers but I think this is what is going on here. If anyone has better ideas, let me know. This protected CD has a so called Multi Session TOC. This is the same when you burn a CD-R and set it to MODE2 / Multi Session when you burn an empty CD-R for the first time. After this a MODE2 CD-R can have multi sessions appended afterwards. For every new session a new TOC is written (with the old data about the files already on the CD-R included). My theory is that this protected CD has also a MODE2 / Multi Session TOC which makes a CD-ROM player and burner decide to search for the latest TOC from the outside to the inner side. With the placed stickers it will not be able to and most CD-ROM players will decide to stick with the center TOC.

So now the CD-ROM player will read the CD but unfortunately it will not be able to read the last tracks because my stickers are placed there. So now a second trick is needed. I used a paperclip to push into the little hole on the front of my CD-ROM player to open the door manually. The reader has no idea at all I was doing this so it came out spinning :-) Then I removed the stickers and pushed the CD back in. The last part I had to push a bit harder to make sure the CD would be totally inserted and fit on the spindle again.

Guess what? I could now play and grab all tracks as I would do with any non-protected CD! I must say that on one CD-ROM player (TEAC) I had to skip the first block (or 0.01 seconds) in Easy CD-DA Extractor for the first track only (still have no clue why). My Plextor 16/10/40A burner and another CD-ROM player had no problem with this first track.

I did try to move the stickers to the outside of the CD until my audio CD player would just be able to play the last track until the last second but the CD-ROM player would not read it anymore. In fact, I would have to move the stickers a whole lot more to the center of the CD before it would be able to read it again. It might be possible that there is no TOC at all on the outside; the inner TOC just points to some music track which will of course not be understood by the CD-ROM player as a valid MODE2 TOC...... The reason why this CD does not automatically transfer you to the MediaCloQ(TM) website like a MediaCloQ(TM) protected CD would do could be that the protection I discuss here isn't MediaCloQ(TM) at all. But it could also be due to the fact that this CD was almost full and that there was simply no space left for a real TOC and a valid data section where an autorun.inf file could be stored which transfers you to their website.

Now to summarize this little trick:

Place 3 (or maybe more on better CD-ROM players / burners) non-transparent stickers of about 25 x 20 mm on the outside of your CD along the edge. Make sure that they wont stick outside of the CD and press them well, otherwise your CD-ROM player will start making funny noises ;-)

Insert the CD into your CD-ROM player and see if the CD-ROM player accepts it (you can see the tracks in your Explorer). If not you can try to move the stickers a bit to the center or place more stickers. Note that my laptop CD-ROM player and one burner I've seen would not be able to read it at all so no guarantees are given here......

Now we have to wait until we are sure that the CD is not spinning anymore. After the CD-ROM player accepted the CD it can still be spinning for a few minutes (my TEAC stopped after more than 3 minutes). I guess to be sure, wait about 5 minutes. If you are impatient here you risk to eject it while it is still spinning and this could damage your CD and who knows the laser of your CD-ROM player, so be warned!

Now using a fine screw driver or a paper clip push into the little hole in the door of your CD-ROM player. The trays of some CD-ROM players can be opened totally without the CD-ROM player noticing but I saw one that would re-read the CD after closing the tray again so I would have to open it until halfway, until I was just able to get the CD out. Push your paper clip into the hole until the tray opens. Then pull it out manually (be careful and do it slowly!).

Now remove the CD, remove the stickers and place it back.

Now push the tray to close it again. Do it carefully. At the end you have to push a little faster to make sure the CD will be inserted entirely. If not, take it out again and try again.

Now you can play it and grab it like you would normally do :-) If the first track will play but not grab skip the first 0.01 seconds or the first block. I use Easy CD-DA Extractor which offers this option (at the bottom of the extract window).

Enjoy and be happy !

one more thing to do (2, Informative)

Dr. Awktagon (233360) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550952)

That page offers a list of things you can do, like not supporting the labels or buying and returning the CDs, etc. If you're the amoral type, here's something else you can do with a "factory-damaged" CD:

Rip the CD, analog style or with a Mac or whatever, and put some or all of the tracks on your web site. Blatantly label them and submit the page to search engines. Put a note there saying something like "these tracks came from a copy-prevention enabled CD, so if you see any MP3's here, you're imagining things!"

Then when the lawyerbots come by, take it down, and reply to them apologizing profusely and saying how important you think copyright is and all that jazz. I think if the labels see all these tracks traded on the internet exactly the same as all the other CDs, they'll start knocking on the door of the CD-protection company asking, what the hell did we just pay you 50million$ for??

Of course, I prefer just avoiding the labels and their music completely. Here's my rule of thumb: if you think you could send an email to both the head of the label and the artist, and get a personal reply within a few days, that CD is probably not going to be crippled. In fact after getting the CD be sure to email both with your compliments. And some of the bigger indie labels have also taken a anti-anti-copying stand too, like Projekt [projekt.com] .

Re:one more thing to do (3, Informative)

MAXOMENOS (9802) | more than 12 years ago | (#2551054)

Then when the lawyerbots come by, take it down, and reply to them apologizing profusely and saying how important you think copyright is and all that jazz. I think if the labels see all these tracks traded on the internet exactly the same as all the other CDs, they'll start knocking on the door of the CD-protection company asking, what the hell did we just pay you 50million$ for??

More likely, the lawyerbots will work as hard as they can to prevent the sale of "circumvention devices" such as software that can circumvent copy protetion. Look for them to go after open source projects such as cdparanoia in the near future.

Class Action Suit (5, Interesting)

CMiYC (6473) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550953)

So I am starting to wonder. If it hasn't begun to occur already, what has to be done to bring a class action suit to the offending record companies? There are three things I see as a defense on our side.

1. It seems to me that someone would be able to find equipment that the CDs actually sound worse in.

2. Prove the lost ability to make a backup copy.

3. Show how you are suddenly limited to where you can play the $20 cd at.

Without a warning, I just can't believe its possible for them to do this. However, at the same time, I'm uncertain what law says "this cd must play in all cd players." I understand it isn't our right to play the cd anywhere, but at the same time, it is also our consumer right to know what we are buying can and can not do.

Copy Protectoin only affect windows? (2)

Tachys (445363) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550954)

I own at least one CD on that list and it ripped just fine, so perhaps that are different versions of the CDs on the market

Hmmm, what OS did you copy the CD under? In the link they mention that "Copy Protection" doesn't affect Macs and Linux.

Re:Copy Protectoin only affect windows? (3, Informative)

DeadMeat (TM) (233768) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550996)

If that's what the link says, they're mistaken. The copy protection is embedded on the CD itself (it involved screwing with the audio and expecting the CD player to fix it using the error correction data, but that digital rips won't), so it's OS-independent.

I am told however that cdparanoia (which is *nix-only and very popular on Linux) can properly rip copy-protected CDs (I assume by using the error-correction data) so it's very possible that CmdrTaco had a copy protected CD but cdparanoia took care of it for him. It's much more likely though that whoever reported the CD as copy protected just didn't know what they were doing -- cheap CD-ROM drives in tandem with MusicMatch or RealJukebox will barf on some CDs that good CD/DVD-ROM drives coupled with cdparanoia or Exact Audio Copy will happily rip.

This is the way to go.. (3, Insightful)

O2n (325189) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550955)

Quote from the aricle:
2. Don't buy the music. Remember, while we may be able to vote in elections every 2-4 years, we vote daily with our money. If they don't have your money, the labels will (probably) be smart enough to stop pulling this kind of stunt.

This is the way to go. This is "speaking the right language". Don't whine about this - do something about it.
Don't buy Sony electronics for example; it's wrong to think "what difference can I make" - you really make the difference.

All Universal CDs? (2)

Tim Macinta (1052) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550957)

I'm curious about the statement that on that page that all Universal CDs will have copy protection as of this month. Are they not bothering to list individual Universal CDs because of this blanket statement? Does this include CDs produced under another label and distributed by Universal?

I ask because I don't see the new Garbage on the list and this CD is distributed by Universal even though the label it's produced under is something different. I walked into the store last week with the intention to buy it until I saw "Universal" on the back, which lost them a sale. I'd still like to buy it if the CD isn't actually corrupted, so does anybody out there have this CD? Does it have the intentional corruption on it?

Re:All Universal CDs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2550994)

I ripped/mp3'd it fine with cdparanoia/lame under linux. It isn't protected.

beautifulGarbage seems OK (1)

InfiniterX (12749) | more than 12 years ago | (#2551001)

I picked up beautifulGarbage and my roommate managed to rip it to MP3's just fine.

Sadly, the album itself wasn't nearly as good as Garbage's first two, which left me fairly disappointed.

Re:All Universal CDs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2551055)

Ditto, I ripped Beautifulgarbage myself, (to ogg) :) Albeit under linux with cd paranoia. There are some rumors that cd paranoia can rip these copy prevented cd's anyway due to its error correction. Who knows... :/

-- gid

"Slomotion" is OK (1)

R2P2 (193577) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550958)

My copy of Slomotion doesn't have any protection on either CD, but the Watchmen are Canadian, so maybe they're just doing it to you American jerks :P

Why Would you buy cds? (1)

coleman (61513) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550960)

I have not purchased a cd (unless it was blank) in the last 3 years. Record companies are no longer need to *tell* us what is *good* and take a fee for this *service*.

If you really want to support the music you love, then goto that concert. Concerts are where most of the money is made (% wise anyway) for muscians.

I ripped Slomotion (2)

kypper (446750) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550963)

The new Watchmen CD... ripped it the day I got it home... anyone want an mp3? :op


This copy protection is bullshit.

Hmm... (3, Interesting)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550969)

Lets see... when was the last time I bought a CD... can't recall...

I seem to be getting less and less tolerant to commercials too. The radio in my car is tuned to NPR, which is commercial free 50 weeks out of the year. Even if it is the all Afghanistan all the time network these days. I'm about 99% RIAA free these days, I think. They'll probably get that declared an act of treason soon... feh... bastards.

Speaking of which, how much did they give your guys this year? [opensecrets.org] We should get a petition going for a constitutional ammendment forbiding any incorporated entity from giving money to any politician.

Re:Hmm... (2, Funny)

jandrese (485) | more than 12 years ago | (#2551019)

This post brought to you by ADM, Supermaket to the World.

Re:Hmm... (2)

danheskett (178529) | more than 12 years ago | (#2551073)

Speaking of which, how much did they give your guys this year? [opensecrets.org] We should get a petition going for a constitutional ammendment forbiding any incorporated entity from giving money to any politician.

Why do we need a law/amendment? They have the right to lobby, and now that your "guys" are whores for money, dont vote for them. Pretty simple.

hmmm... guess (2)

Ender Ryan (79406) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550979)

Well, I guess I'll be "pirating" System of Down's new CD since I won't be able to listen to it. My stereo at home is actually a Linux box connected to my TV and stereo receiver that I use for playing music, video and old arcade games.

Unfortuneately that makes it impossible for me to "legally" listen to their new CD and being a fan I'll have to download it from somewhere.

I'd even be perfectly happy to buy a "copy protected" CD and just through hoops to convert it to MP3, but sadly that's a federal offense because of the DMCA.

I don't understand why the music industry is so hostil towards their good customers...

Re:hmmm... guess (1)

Cow4263 (312716) | more than 12 years ago | (#2551037)

It would be legal for you to download an mp3 version of the System of Down album, because you own a legal hardcopy verison of it. Some RIAA freak might try and take that right away from you, but its covered under fair use... The same way roms are legal provided you own the original game.

What we need to do (2, Interesting)

dapcook (517006) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550985)

Is go out to kazaa and to Morpheous and download all the music we want, then write a check and mail it directly to the artist themselves! This RIAA and DCMA stuff is getting so out of line it's not funny! How can a industry get away with isolating millions and millions of their customers??? I say go out and buy everything from 2nd hand music stores! Isn't it our legal rights to use a CD as we want? I can make copies for my use, I should be allowed to play this music on any CD player I have? So how about a class action lawsuit for depriving us of our rights??

widespread? (2)

archen (447353) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550990)

is this "protection" going to become mainstream? I don't even own a CD player, but I use my computer all the time. Truthfully, I could care less about the stuff on that list since I mainly listen to metal (the more obscure stuff). But if this becomes standard practice I think they'll probably lose my business entirely. Get a CD player? I don't think so. If they adopt this scheme, how long will it be before they say "oh, looks like they figured out how to bypass the last scheme, so lets make a new one that isn't playable on the newer CD players". Like I want to be stuck on a perpetual hardware upgrade cycle just to play a freaking CD. If most of the smaller labels don't adopt this, I actually think it will help. These big corporations will only shoot themselves in the foot since people will HAVE to get the ripped version to listen to it on their computer.

I wish I was a fly on the wall... (3, Funny)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 12 years ago | (#2550992)

... of the Software Publisher's Association meeting room. How many times do you think some marketing guy has asked why they can't do the same thing for CD-ROM's?

If it's happened less than 3 dozen times, I'm utterly shocked.

what a waste of bandwidth... (0)

gTsiros (205624) | more than 12 years ago | (#2551002)

...if i can listen to it, i can copy it.
EOF

Those CD's are crap anyway. (2, Funny)

bdevlin (398300) | more than 12 years ago | (#2551003)

I wouldn't download a rip of those CD's anyway. Let alone buy them.

flawed list (2, Interesting)

rlwhite (219604) | more than 12 years ago | (#2551006)

I don't think the list is very trust-worthy. DCTalk's Supernatural has been out for 3 years, and I have copies, both legally bought and ripped. Maybe they added protection on a recent production run, but that seems unlikely because any "piracy" damage is already done. Not to mention DCTalk is a Christian band; they want their message spread as wide as possible, even if it means losing some money.

I think some people are just reporting any disc they have trouble with, without investigating things like bad hardware or scratched discs. Just spreading paranoia.

werked for me... (1)

chemguru (104422) | more than 12 years ago | (#2551009)

I got the Live - V, System of a Down, Aerosmith, and the Tori Amos cd to rip without problems.

Wow... I must be a 1337 h4x0r.

Re:werked for me... (1)

Wyatt Earp (1029) | more than 12 years ago | (#2551059)

Tori Amos ripped fine for me on my OS 9.1 Mac with an older version of N2MP3.

On and dear RIAA - I own the freakin' CD and it's for home use, so you can blow it out your ass if you're taking down names from Slashdot.

This will only mobilize people (5, Interesting)

YouAreFatMan (470882) | more than 12 years ago | (#2551010)

This seems like a foolish move to do. It seems safe to say that it has been established that it is legal to rip CDs. Also, MP3s are more widespread than, say, DVDs ripped to DivX. Therefore it will be much harder to demonize people who break the copy prevention measures (or make tools to do so) on these CDs. With DVDs, it requires that I assert a new right never granted me by the MPAA (not that I really need them to grant me that right). However, with CDs, the RIAA is taking away a right I have been enjoying. A much harder thing to do.

I have a feeling this will backfire in one of two ways: 1) they will drop the copy prevention after a public outcry, or 2) there will be new drivers or tools published that make it possible to rip/play these CDs, and they become common enough to make the copy prevention irrelevant. This will mean that the only people truly affected will be innocent people with limited technical expertise (mom goes and buys a PC, puts her new CD in the tray, and it doesn't play; mom gets mad and calls you). This will only further giving a black eye to the RIAA.

A third possibility is the nightmare of DeCSS -- that someone publishes a method to defeat this copy prevention, gets sued, goes to court, etc. But as we've seen with DeCSS, it's pretty hard to stop it once it's out.

Re:This will only mobilize people (2, Interesting)

Cow4263 (312716) | more than 12 years ago | (#2551052)

I whole heartly agree. You could argue that the mp3 rage these days is all because of the media attention Napster was getting during its trial. Every night on the evening news, Napster was the main story, so some guy says "that sounds cool" and downloads the client and leeches the night away. And now that napster is all but completely useless, most people have moved onto other p2p communities (probably Morpheus \KaZaA).

Even in a post napster world, the media likes publicizing(sp?) alternate ways of getting stuff. For example, I was watching CNBC of all channels and they were discussing napster, and one anchor said "nah, napster is dead. Mourpeus is the good one now."

Once you educate the masses, its impossible to unlearn them.

*yawn* (2, Funny)

huphtur (259961) | more than 12 years ago | (#2551012)

2Pac-Until_The_End_Of_Time-2CD-2001-RNS
Aerosmith-Just_Push_Play-2001-KSi
Tori_Amos-Strange_Little_Girls-2001-EGO
Dc_Talk-Supernatural-RNS
Nsync-Celebrity(Real_CD_Retail)-2001-RNS
System_Of_A_Down-Toxicity-Retail-2001-STA
The_Watchmen-Slomotion-2001-EGO

What about people without stereos? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2551017)

I don't have a stereo. My PC is the only place where I can listen to CD music! What about us? Are we screwed, all in the name of semi-effective copy protection?

If I encounter a CD like this, it's going back to the store for a refund.

question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2551026)

I don't care, because I'm a reckless youth, but does it bother anyone that we are so blatently stealing?

playing and ripping copy protected cds (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2551035)

Here in Europe I've gotten a copy of Heather Nova's "South" which is copy protected and has the warning on the back. However in a Plextor 16/10/40A I can more often than not play the CD in the computer and with a simple program I wrote using the ReadCD command.

There are data sessions after the audio so most Windows98 programs and such believe that it's a data cd and won't let you rip it, however if you just write some simple read cd commands to this particular drive it is in fact rippable. However, at least with firmware 1.03 sometimes in windows you could insert this audiocd and attempt to play it in CD Player about 2 out of 3 tries. When it didn't work to play any further audio cds a reboot was required.

The catch: It takes quite some time as the drive error corrects the "bad" sectors so it can take you maybe 5 minutes to rip a single track. At least this was the case with this particular cd.

I have a copy of Strange Little Girls here (although not the American one) and it's not protected.

A question (5, Interesting)

famazza (398147) | more than 12 years ago | (#2551062)

I question follows me everytime I hear anything about copy protected CDs.:

  • Are these CDs compatible with Compact Disc Digital Audio? (that small trade marked logo that must appear in all CD players and Audio CDs

Does the owner of this technology (AFAIK Philips owns the patent) have any kind of official opinion about this? Is it allowed to modify the technology and keep using the compatible logo?

Can anybody help me with this question? (thanks in advance)

One more that you might care about: (1)

Mr. Piccolo (18045) | more than 12 years ago | (#2551066)

I have heard that Aphex Twin's "drukqs" is copy-protected or whatever, but I'm not paying $20 to find out. So what if it's 2 CDs.
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