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Conectiva Linux 7.0 Review

michael posted more than 12 years ago | from the land-down-under dept.

Linux 89

Patrick Mullen writes: "The Duke of URL has posted their review of Conectiva Linux 7.0. Conectiva Linux was the first distribution to support APT-RPM, which cures most of the ails of typical RPMs. Their latest release even bundles a graphical front-end to APT, and brings the worlds of Debian and Red Hat together."

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Yar (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2557942)

Yar, First post maties

Hello again! (-1)

cyborg_monkey (150790) | more than 12 years ago | (#2557944)

Kiss my furry genitals.

I think you mean... (-1)

(c) Penis (525494) | more than 12 years ago | (#2558011)

...kiss my shiny metal knubby buddy.

Why I don't like trolls (-1)

CmderTaco (533794) | more than 12 years ago | (#2558052)

Why I do not like Trolls

I believe I have made it clear, through my consistant down modding and IP banning of trolls, that I do not like trolls very much. I believe that Trolls are the most offensive type of human that we have ever seen. One can only assume that thier only purpose is to upset people, get reactions from people, and to humiliate people.

Here recently, the trolls have been focusing thier attacks more specifically the moderators and editors of this web site. I must say, that I have read such horrible postings from these trolls that, quite frankly, I am offended. I mean sure, there are a lot of people here who do not like JonKatz for one reason or another (mine is that he tends to post stories that are uninformed and ignorant, but that's beside the point.), but that is no reason for us to flame him so much every time he posts some stupid story. The fact is that myself, Hemos, JonKatz, cowboyNeal, Neal, michael, timothy, Roblimo, Cliff, HeUnique, sengan, emmitt, justin++, nate, and many others are all authors for this web site and you should start showing us just a little respect. I mean, it may be fun to make up little songs like the one posted here [slashdot.org] But it still hurts our feelings to see this sort of stuff. Our jobs are tough, and stuff like this just doesn't make it any easier. To think that we all spend so much of our time maintaining this web site just for you trolls to troll it up. Comments about me and JonKatz being homosexual partners or me and Hemos. Now, I am not going to say that these things are false, but there is no way that you guys actually know that about us, and it is none of your business either. Yes, it is true that I, CmdrTaco, am a homosexual, and a big one at that. Yes it is true that some times JonKats and I will be alone for extended periods of time. Sometimes, as we work together, he will brush up against me and I can't help but want to be alone with him. And don't get me started on micheal. But that's not my point at all. Some of your trolls don't even make sense. I mean, how many times can LinuxIsForAssholes post Can you imagine a Beowulf cluster of these?? Or how do Trollaxor and Trolligula and all the others keep coming up with these true stories about my homosexuality? All you trolls use this link [goatse.cx] in many of your trolls, why? Do you like that site? Did they get my good side? It is a good picture of me, but again, that's not my point. And what about all those damn trolls asking how we can be talking about things like the AOTC trailer in the wake of Sept. 11. The fact is, Slashdot doesn't care. We don't care how many people lost thier lives. All the innocent people. The only thing we even wonder is if some of the people were checking out Slashdot at the time of the attack. Oh, the other thing that sucks is that when the buildings went down we lost some companies that had Linux installations. Does that make us bad people, maybe. Does it make our bank accounts bigger through our constant advertising for stupid worthless producs? Most definatly.

Now, you people who have a different opinion than that which is expressed by the editors, prepare to be modded down. We don't like people who do not agree with our ignorant opinions. We want to silence you. You see, if you are silenced then the discussion is only done by those who all agree. When someone with a mind of thier own disagrees and comes on our website and see's that we all have the same opinion, then they will believe that our opinion must be right. It's kinda like Hitler during WWII. If you have a different opinion, you will be killed. You see enough people killed, you change your opinion. We like to think of ourselves as Borg. We are but 1 collective, none of which has a mind of thier own. People are a lot safer that way.

All in all, you can call use as many names as you want, but when it comes down to it, we (the editor) as just as much Trolls as you are. We are trolls with a different agenda. Our agenda is global mind control, and we want to stop you from letting thses people know that original thoughts are natural. We want them to think originality is a sign of weakness and stupidity.

User reviews? (2)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 12 years ago | (#2557949)

Has anyone got any first hand reviews? I used to use redhat as my Newbie distribution, and after the latest tricks in 7.2 I need to find a new one for the fresh converts and install fests. Is this a good choice for newbies? or should I stick with Mandrake.

Thanks

Re:User reviews? (-1)

cyborg_monkey (150790) | more than 12 years ago | (#2557955)

Use WindowsXP. It installs easy, works great, there is tons of software available.

Plus, you will no longer be associated with all the fucking morons idiot shitbag hippies that are linux zealots.

Your pal,

CM

Re:User reviews? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2558031)

I used to be a windows using warezer, then after a while I caught too many virusus, developed indigestion, became crippled, and eventually had to shit the core out of my system. With a regimin of linux distributions, I have been completely cured of the Redmond Anthrax Virus.

Re:User reviews? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2559125)

Damn, why is this offtopic? Its true!

Re:User reviews? (1)

Tony-A (29931) | more than 12 years ago | (#2558035)

XP?
Nah, too many worms.

Re:User reviews? (2, Informative)

rinsoblue (300699) | more than 12 years ago | (#2558030)

I use Conectiva 7.0 and I like it a lot. I also use Mandrake and all 3 BSDs. Conectiva has just the right amount of graphical-install and do-it-yourself that many people seem to yearn for. Both version 6 and 7 have found all the hardware except sound cards on my computers. After I finish the graphical install I use Red Hat's sound configurating program which is installed and waiting.

I think this is a very good product that has been overlooked too long. I recommend it to any beginner who finds other distributions too overwhelming. ISO's are available at linuxiso.org and it installs with a choice of the 3 major languages of the Americas.

Rinso

Re:User reviews? (2)

SubtleNuance (184325) | more than 12 years ago | (#2558159)

I use Red Hat's sound configurating program which is installed and waiting.

My Debian Sid laptop still doesnt have working sound, what RH Sound Tool are you using? I havnt run RH since 6.1

Re:User reviews? (1)

jsveiga (465473) | more than 12 years ago | (#2558349)

He's probably talking about sndconfig:

"Sndconfig is a text based tool that sets up the configuration files you'll need to use a sound card with a Red Hat Linux system. Sndconfig can be used to set the proper sound type for programs that use the /dev/dsp, /dev/audio, and /dev/mixer devices. The sound settings are saved by the aumix and sysV runlevel scripts."

You'll probably need sox, aumix, awesfx, and playmidi as prereqs to install it.

Re:User reviews? (0)

seann (307009) | more than 12 years ago | (#2560253)

mm...
modprobe and insmod
mm..
built in kernel modules
*orgasm*

Re:User reviews? (0)

neroz (449747) | more than 12 years ago | (#2561552)

Debian Sid has the Redhat sound conf tool in it, apt-get install sndconfig

(or you might want to try ALSA)

Conectiva is dying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2558060)

Let's look at the numbers...

aw shit.

Re:User reviews? (1)

Menthos (25332) | more than 12 years ago | (#2566926)

What "tricks" are you referring to?

I think I read that wrong (-1, Offtopic)

Mike Connell (81274) | more than 12 years ago | (#2557951)

www. The Dukeo Furl .org

It sounds like some esoteric way to tie your bow tie.

Troll? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2557974)

That's humour.

http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/tro ll .html

Re:Troll? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2557983)

Dude, they're gonna kick your ass in metamod :-)

Synaptic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2557965)

I think that Synaptic is the best APT frontend.

Im waiting the port of Synaptic to Debian.

Re:Synaptic (1)

pseelig (850) | more than 12 years ago | (#2558195)

Put this into /etc/apt/sources.list if you are using testing/unstable:

deb ftp://ntama.uni-mainz.de/pub/debian unofficial/
deb-src ftp://ntama.uni-mainz.de/pub/debian unofficial/

To compile from sources the latest WMaker 0.70.x is needed.
There is no official Debian-Maintainer for this package and it's therefore still available for adoption. Anybody?

Re:Synaptic (1)

mbanck (230137) | more than 12 years ago | (#2558264)

There is no official Debian-Maintainer for this package and it's therefore still available for adoption.

Note that synaptic has been ITP'd [debian.org] a month ago and isn't exactly for adoption, IMHO.


I agree that it should be part of Debian though.


Michael

Re:Synaptic (-1)

Cheesy Fool (530943) | more than 12 years ago | (#2558260)

http://people.debian.org/~mmagallo/packages/synapt ic/

You can download a deb binary and the sources from the above.

Boom! (3, Funny)

adamwright (536224) | more than 12 years ago | (#2557982)

Conectiva Linux was the first distribution to support APT-RPM

I would've though there'd be some sort of matter/antimatter explosion when apt and rpm came together judging by the flamewars I've seen....

Re:Boom! (1)

Electrum (94638) | more than 12 years ago | (#2560679)

As was pointed out above, apt-get is not the package manager. apt-get is the front end to Debian's package manager, dpkg.

Site only in Spanish and Portugese? (1)

rj-eleven (312679) | more than 12 years ago | (#2557986)

I went to the Conectiva website to download the ISO but the front page only provides two language options...spanish and portugese. Are there english mirrors? Maybe an alternate place to download?

Re:Site only in Spanish and Portugese? (4, Informative)

adebater (101003) | more than 12 years ago | (#2558002)

try
http://en.conectiva.com/download/

Re:Site only in Spanish and Portugese? (0)

Solidblu (241490) | more than 12 years ago | (#2558019)

also if you just want to download the iso's you could try:
http://www.linuxiso.org/conectiva.html

I could care less now... (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2557988)

this apt vs rpm vs tar.gz vs etc. isn't getting linux anyware. Fortunately, Gentoo Linux seems to be on the right track with their Portage package management system...

Here is a blurb from their website (http://www.gentoo.org/):

"Gentoo Linux is a versatile and fast, completely free x86-based Linux distribution geared towards developers and network professionals. Unlike other distros, Gentoo Linux has an advanced package management system called Portage. Portage is a true ports system in the tradition of BSD ports, but is Python-based and sports a number of advanced features including dependencies, fine-grained package management, "fake" (OpenBSD-style) installs, safe unmerging, system profiles, virtual packages, config file management, and more."

Re:I could care less now... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2558038)

this apt vs rpm vs tar.gz vs etc. isn't getting linux anyware.

That's right. They lack Slack. Back to the Church of Slack [subgenius.com] , Jack.

Pot meets Kettle (2)

Jagasian (129329) | more than 12 years ago | (#2561231)

It is contradictory for you to slam people for debating the merits of three different package mamangement systems (deb, rpm, slack), and then you yourself argue for a fourth package management system which is used by Gentoo Linux. Hello! Pot calling kettle! Where are you? The scary part is that you got modded up so high. I mean, Gentoo has been mentioned many times on Slashdot.

Debian and Gentoo are the two Linux distros with the most promising package management systems. I am a Debian user myself, but once Gentoo releases a non-beta version of their distro, I will give it a shot. However, Debian works so well because of its open community. Only time will tell wether Gentoo will develop a similar community. In addition, apt-get'ing KDE, for example, is fast and painless on a low end PC with a cable modem connection. However, using Gentoo's system, not only would the download be larger, but there would be the overhead of building the software! So Gentoo might be great for workstations and servers, but for desktops and low end devices... it might not be the way to go.

Re:I could care less now... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2561518)



I have never seen it being mentioned recently ... but then again, I don't visit slashdot much.

In addition, apt-get'ing KDE, for example, is fast and painless on a low end PC with a cable modem connection.

You mentioned low-end PCs ... so those still on dial-up connections (i.e. no cable modem/xDSL) have what? Obviously, apt-get isn't so convenient.

BTW, my slight "bias" towards Gentoo comes from the fact that I am a FreeBSD user. The Gentoo utilization of a system reminscient of FreeBSD ports is why I find it not only attractive, but as another option to the "mainstream" packaging systems -- rpm, dpkg, etc..

Options is what makes linux good -- you choose and use what you like best.

Re:I could care less now... (1, Informative)

neroz (449747) | more than 12 years ago | (#2561566)

I tried Gentoo recently, and portage has a lot of potential, but its no where near APT. It can't handle dependancy conflicts, it can't even say to a depended package that 'i need gnome support' - you have to use an env variable. This may work for source based systems, but when they move to binary, they will either have to bloat each package, or provide many small packages, like debian does.

Portage v2 is in the works ATM, hopefully that will solve these problems, but, if you are a debian user, you will most likely be disapointed with Gentoo.

brings the worlds of debian and redhat together? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2557996)

Wouldn't that be like bringing Beverly Hills and Havana together?

Urpmi (0, Redundant)

KeyserDK (301544) | more than 12 years ago | (#2557997)

The urpmi tool coming with mandrake is well.. ownage =). Works like apt-get for me in the rpm world.

urpmi is the frontend to rpmdrake =).

It just works =). The nr. 1 reason i use mandrake (the second is cooker).

However i'll always welcome another tool, as long they can live side by side =).

Re:Urpmi (0)

staili (200478) | more than 12 years ago | (#2558992)

>The urpmi tool coming with mandrake is well.. ownage =). Works like apt-get for me in the rpm world.

almost like apt-get, I still prefer apt-get

>urpmi is the frontend to rpmdrake =).

Isn't rpmdrake/grpmi (graphical) a frontend to urpmi (command line)?

>It just works =). The nr. 1 reason i use mandrake (the second is cooker).

I like urpmi, but I think it's too hard to set urpmi to use only ftp-servers and no cds. It's not impossible, but it's way too hard. (Compared to apt-get, and I usually install debian directly from net.)

Looks like (0)

Solidblu (241490) | more than 12 years ago | (#2557998)

I have a big download to do to test out the distro for myself because whats good for the goose is not always good for the gander. Such as Linux from scatch to a Linux Newbie coming from Mac OS 9. Sometimes it just sucks

Stephen King, author, dead at 55 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2558004)


I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

slow day (-1)

neal n bob (531011) | more than 12 years ago | (#2558025)

damn this is the slowest troll tuesday I have seen in a while. No dead penis birds? Where's the goatsex?

Connectiva employs many kernel mantainers (4, Informative)

Pac (9516) | more than 12 years ago | (#2558036)

Like other major distributions, the brazilian Connectiva employs many people closely related to Linux development.

Marcelo Tosatti was recently announced [advogato.org] as the new head mantainer over the 2.4 stable kernel tree. Rik Van Riel is known for his work in the memory management subsystem and Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo works with IPX.

The point here is not to praise Connectiva (or Red Hat or anyone), but to notice that it is perfectly possible to run a profitable company and care for the development community at the
same time.

Debian in a red hat (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2558039)

Sounds like an 80's pop hit to me.... :-)

Hooray for WindowMaker (2)

nagora (177841) | more than 12 years ago | (#2558051)

It's good to see a distro which actually promotes what is THE best (ie most productive and easiest to use) desktop available on any computing platform today.

TWW

Re:Hooray for WindowMaker (1)

morcego (260031) | more than 12 years ago | (#2558303)

Just out of curiosity, WindowsMaker's developer, Alfredo Kojima, works at Conectiva, and is also the main developet behing the APT-RPM implementation (the port of apt to work with RPM).

eH? (1)

atyr (531369) | more than 12 years ago | (#2562825)

That post had no real relevance you realise. You do realise that is full opinionated right? I quite personaly hate Window Maker. Maybe its fast, but blackbox is faster. And I dont need all those things floating around my desktop. Maybe its configurable but why waste my time when blackbox is how i want it already? Not to mention theres Ion, maybe a little less "pretty" but it gets the job done. blackbox has been the most productive for me, WindowMaker has only slowed me down, and Ion made me even faster. And to respond to another post up further. Why would a distro want to tell a user what to install? Can you say WINDOWS? My god man, the beauty of linux is choice, you have so much to choose from your bound to find something you like. If you really want someone to support non-newbies(lazy people as you have obviously made every one of them out to be) then Windows is there for you in all its gloriousness. Not every newbie would want KDE or Gnome. And to just force something apon them is counterproductive in the learning process. I for one want people to be more informed of linux not dissillusioned.

Re:eH? (2)

nagora (177841) | more than 12 years ago | (#2564915)

That post had no real relevance you realise.
Yes.

You do realise that is full opinionated right?

Absolutely!

Maybe its fast, but blackbox is faster.

Haven't tried it yet.

And I dont need all those things floating around my desktop.

What things? I have two columns of icons for the things I use a lot, but I put them there

Maybe its configurable but why waste my time when blackbox is how i want it already?

No reason in the world, if it does.

Not to mention theres Ion, maybe a little less "pretty" but it gets the job done.

Didn't like it. Xterm is better.

My god man, the beauty of linux is choice

I agree; I chose WindowMaker and you chose Blackbox. My issue is with distros defaulting to the same old bloatware (KDE/Gnome) and not even mentioning the alternatives.

TWW

Re: Re: eH? (1)

atyr (531369) | more than 12 years ago | (#2566078)

I realise this, hense why i brought that up. I was responding to another post where someone ranted about how he wants distros to stick with one WM so they can be (special) or some rubbish. My only problem with slackware is they dont put bb for a choice in there =P I think separating distros should stay in possibly setup applications like pppconfig or linuxconf. Some people like GUI setup some people like console, so I chose slackware where i can do everything i want without ever even having to install X and a newbie can go into say RedHat and use GUI setup utils. This is just fine, lets keep it at that and let the user decide the WM NOT the distro =]

apt is not the whole story (3, Informative)

mvdwege (243851) | more than 12 years ago | (#2558057)

While the reviewer is right that apt is a wonderful tool, he is guilty of two very common mistakes:

  1. apt is not the package manager per se. It is a front end to the package manager. Therefore the whole idea of using it with another package manager as its default (dpkg) is not so unlikely as it sounds. In fact, as far as I can make out from my Debian documentation, apt is specifically designed to be agnostic in regards to what package manager does the actual work.
  2. The previous was only a minor quibble. His major mistake is however his assertion that you can download any .rpm and have apt sort out the dependencies. Guess what? It doesn't work that way. In order for apt to work, it needs a central repository that provides it with a correct dependency list. Without that, you're back to the good old dependency hell. This is what makes Connectiva and Debian great, because that is exactly what they provide, and it is only because they do that that apt is such a great tool
Mart (a happy Debian user)

Re:apt is not the whole story (1)

crystal dragon (69701) | more than 12 years ago | (#2558354)

I actually never assert anywhere that you can download any RPM. I do, however, point out the traditional limitations of RPM and how the use of APT solves them.

Daniel Christle

Re:apt is not the whole story (1)

mvdwege (243851) | more than 12 years ago | (#2558436)

Hmmm,

You may have a point there. You did not say that any .rpm would install. I do read that implication in your review though, but that may be because, as I said, it is a very common mistake.

Anyway, thanks for a good review. It was overall factual and informative.

Mart

Re:apt is not the whole story (1)

crystal dragon (69701) | more than 12 years ago | (#2559224)

I should have added that your first point was valid - and I should know better. I use Libranet as my workstation and it is based on Debian.

Thanks,

Daniel Christle

For your information, Mandrake... (2)

joestar (225875) | more than 12 years ago | (#2558064)

also includes apt as an option. But the default is to use the excellent urpmi urpme tools that automatically resolve all RPM dependencies and can install new packages automagically (from the CD or remotely through FTP or HTTP) and also uninstall them.


man urpmi

Re:For your information, Mandrake... (2)

mgkimsal2 (200677) | more than 12 years ago | (#2558383)

Yeah, but updating the 'package list' is a bitch. The graphic front end gives you NO indication as to what it's doing or how long it'll take (or how much it's done). I've let my machine go for more than 45 minutes (128k connection) with nothing. The 'software update' stuff still has a ways to go on mandrake. They also need more than 1 mirror in the US. Every server I see in the default lists is in France or Germany or Japan or someplace else.

I tell a lie - I did get an package list to come down from a server in Japan in only 35 minutes. But it promptly crashed, so that was time simply wasted.

Re:For your information, Mandrake... (2)

joestar (225875) | more than 12 years ago | (#2558568)

I never got your issues nor heard anytime of such issues.

Re:For your information, Mandrake... (2)

mgkimsal2 (200677) | more than 12 years ago | (#2558801)

And how many people do you talk to about this? How many people inside a distribution's circle of supporters will openly criticize that distribution?

For the record, I said the graphic tool. The command like URPMI is a little better, but not much. The main issue is pulling down package lists from other servers. There aren't many servers listed in the graphic tool that are anywhere NEAR me - I'm in Detroit. I think 2 are in the US, if that.

If/when you use the graphic 'software update' tool, and it says 'updating package list' or whatever it says, do you have a 'cancel' button? Do you have a progress bar? My Mandrake (7.2, 8.0 and 8.1) do not have those seemingly basic items. I just have a silver bar bouncing back and forth, supposedly indicating activity. I'd have thought a progress bar, or at least a cancel button, wouldn't have been too much to ask of a desktop app in 2001. I guess I was wrong.

Also for the record, I've purchased mandrake before, and given them money via their site. I like and generally support mandrake, but their software update thing has a long way to go before being as usable as 'apt-get' (I'm not a debian fan either).

Re:For your information, Mandrake... (1)

chadm1967 (144897) | more than 12 years ago | (#2558679)

He's right. I'm running Mandrake 8.1 on one of my machines and the update tool will sometimes timeout when setting up a server. Mandrake definitely has some work to do........

Re:For your information, Mandrake... (3, Insightful)

tim_maroney (239442) | more than 12 years ago | (#2558851)

The graphic front end gives you NO indication as to what it's doing or how long it'll take (or how much it's done).

Gad. That's such an elementary design mistake. It's bad GUIs like this that convince people that GUIs suck. Most of the graphical software I see on free platforms seems to be written by people who hate graphical programs and want everyone else to hate them too.

Tim

Re:For your information, Mandrake... (2)

mgkimsal2 (200677) | more than 12 years ago | (#2559092)

Most of the graphical software I see on free platforms seems to be written by people who hate graphical programs and want everyone else to hate them too

WOW! If I could mod that comment up, I would! I don't think I've seen a more concise, insightful observation on this topic in awhile... :)

Re:For your information, Mandrake... (2)

update() (217397) | more than 12 years ago | (#2559269)

Yeah, but updating the 'package list' is a bitch. The graphic front end gives you NO indication as to what it's doing or how long it'll take (or how much it's done).

The front end sucks (and got worse from 8.0 to 8.1, as did a bunch of other things). You'll want to at least launch MandrakeUpdate from the command-line as there is useful feedback there.

Still, I've found the benefits of Mandrake outweigh the disadvantages, and the updater does work if you're careful with it.

Important Message (Read This) (-1)

CmderTaco (533794) | more than 12 years ago | (#2558089)

It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed
of so called 'alternative sexuality,' which includes anything from
hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to pedophilia.



What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden
messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken
advocates:



  • Linus Torvalds [microsoft.com] is an
    anagram of slit anus or VD 'L,' clearly referring to himself by the
    first initial.
  • Richard M. Stallman [geocities.com] ,
    spokespervert for the Gaysex's Not Unusual 'movement'
    is an anagram of mans cram thrill ad.
  • Alan Cox [microsoft.com] is barely an
    anagram of anal cox which is just so filthy and unchristian it
    unnerves me.


I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic homosexual [goatse.cx] propaganda diatribe The Cathedral
and the Bizarre,
is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't
need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor
little boy's rectum. Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram
for secondary rim and cord in my arse. It just goes to show
you that he is indeed queer.



Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond
is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail [microsoft.com] , which is obviously
sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male' -- a disgusting practise. For those
not in the know, 'felching' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one
sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it
appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good
Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into 'e-male.'



As far as Richard 'Master' Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually [salon.com]
quoted on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the
following: 'I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any
circumstance,' he says. 'It's about being able to question conventional
wisdom,' he asserts. 'I believe in love, but not monogamy,' he says
plainly.



And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this
tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a
flaming homo [comp-u-geek.net] slut [rotten.com] !



Speaking about 'flaming,' who better to point out as a filthy chutney
ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although
an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already
confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual [goatse.cx]
perversion of corrupting the [slashdot.org]
innocence of young children. To quote from the article linked:



'I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her. 'I have to go to the
bathroom a lot. You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while. Is
that okay with you? Do you want a note from my doctor?'



Is this why you were touching your penis [rotten.com] in the cinema, Jon? And
letting the other boys touch it too?



We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot's
resident Gasbag.' Is there any more doubt? For those fortunate few
who aren't aware of the list of homosexual [goatse.cx]
terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code,' a 'Gasbag' is a pervert who
gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his
urethra (or to use the common parlance, 'piss-pipe'), then his homosexual [goatse.cx] lover blows firmly down the straw to
inflate his scrotum. This is, of course, when he's not busy violating the
dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their
postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and
manipulative journalistic agenda.



Sick, disgusting antichristian perverts, the lot of them.



In addition, many of the Linux distributions (a 'distribution' is the
most common way to spread the faggots' wares) are run by faggot groups. The
Slackware [redhat.com] distro is named after the
'Slack-wear' fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes.
Furthermore, Slackware is a close anagram of claw arse, a reference
to the homosexual [goatse.cx] practice of anal fisting.
The Mandrake [slackware.com] product is run by a
group of French faggot satanists, and is named after the faggot nickname for
the vibrator. It was also chosen because it is an anagram for dark
amen
and ram naked, which is what they do.



Another 'distro,' (abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like
'Disco,' which is where homosexuals [goatse.cx] preyed
on young boys in the 1970s), is Debian, [mandrake.com] an anagram of in a bed,
which could be considered innocent enough (after all, a bed is both where we
sleep and pray), until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe
their foul wares. 'Woody' is obvious enough, being a term for the erect male
penis [rotten.com] , glistening with pre-cum.
But far sicker is the phrase 'Frozen Potato' that they use. This filthy
term, again found in the secret homosexual [goatse.cx]
'Sauce Code,' refers to the solo homosexual [goatse.cx]
practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag, shaping the turd into a
crude approximation of the male phallus, then leaving it in the freezer
overnight until it becomes solid. The practitioner then proceeds to push the
frozen 'potato' up his own rectum, squeezing it in and out until his tight
young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.



And Red Hat [debian.org] is secret homo [comp-u-geek.net] slang for the tip of a penis [rotten.com] that is soaked in blood from
a freshly violated underage ringpiece.



The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry! For
example, the 'supermount' tool was devised to allow deeper penetration,
which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland.
'Automount' is used, on the other hand, because Linux users are all fat and
gay, and need to mount each other [comp-u-geek.net]
automatically.



The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of 'mount points.'
These are, plainly speaking, the different points of penetration. The main
one is obviously /anus, but there are others. Militant fags even
say 'there is no /opt mount point' because for these dirty perverts
faggotry is not optional but a way of life.



More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love
`man`, even going so far as to say that all new Linux users (who
are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda)
should try out `man`. In no other system do users boast of their
frequent recourse to a man.



Other areas of the system also show Linux's inherit gayness. For
example, people are often told of the 'FAQ,' but how many innocent
heterosexual Windows [amiga.com] users know what
this actually means. The answer is shocking: Faggot Anal Quest: the
voyage of discovery for newly converted fags!



Even the title 'Slashdot [geekizoid.com] '
originally referred to a homosexual [goatse.cx]
practice. Slashdot [kuro5hin.org] of course refers
to the popular gay practice of blood-letting. The Slashbots, of course are
those super-zealous homosexuals [goatse.cx] who take
this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses, as seen on the
site most popular with Slashdot users, the depraved work of Satan, http://www.eff.org/ [eff.org] .



The editors of Slashdot [slashduh.org] also have
homosexual [goatse.cx] names: 'Hemos' is obvious in
itself, being one vowel away from 'Homos.' But even more sickening is
'Commander Taco' which sounds a bit like 'Commode in Taco,' filthy gay slang
for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with excrement [pboy.com] . (The best form
of lubrication, they insist.) Sometimes, these 'Taco Commodes' have special
'Salsa Sauce' (blood from a ruptured rectum) and 'Cheese' (rancid flakes of
penis [rotten.com] discharge) toppings. And
to make it even worse, Slashdot [notslashdot.org] runs
on Apache!



The Apache [microsoft.com] server, whose use
among fags is as prevalent as AIDS, is named after homosexual [goatse.cx] activity -- as everyone knows,
popular faggot band, the Village People, featured an Apache Indian, and it
is for him that this gay program is named.



And that's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world --
patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even
after its rupture by a session of fisting.



To summarise: Linux is gay. 'Slash -- Dot' is the graphical description
of the space between a young boy's scrotum and anus. And BeOS [apple.com] is for hermaphrodites and
disabled 'stumpers.'



FEEDBACK



What worries me is how much you know about what gay people
do. I'm scared I actually read this whole thing. I think this post is a good
example of the negative effects of Internet usage on people. This person
obviously has no social life anymore and had to result to writing something
as stupid as this. And actually take the time to do it too. Although... I
think it was satire.. blah.. it's early.
-- Anonymous Coward,
Slashdot


Well, the only reason I know all about this is because I had the
misfortune to read the Linux 'Sauce code' once. Although publicised as the
computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer (and haven't
you always been worried about the phrase 'Monolithic Kernel'?), this foul
document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable
degrading perversion known to the human race, as well as a few of the major
animal species. It has shocked and disturbed me, to the point of needing to
shock and disturb the common man to warn them of the impending homo [comp-u-geek.net] -calypse which threatens to
engulf our planet.



You must work for the government. Trying to post the most
obscene stuff in hopes that slashdot won't be able to continue or something,
due to legal woes. If i ever see your ugly face, i'm going to stick my
fireplace poker up your ass, after it's nice and hot, to weld shut that
nasty gaping hole of yours.
-- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


Doesn't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming
it's way up my most sacred of sphincters? You're beyond help, my friend, as
the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another
man. Are you sure you're not Eric Raymond? The government, being populated
by limp-wristed liberals, could never stem the sickening tide of homosexual [goatse.cx] child molesting Linux advocacy.
Hell, they've given NAMBLA free reign for years!



you really should post this logged in. i wish i could
remember jebus's password, cuz i'd give it to you.
-- mighty jebus [slashdot.org] ,
Slashdot


Thank you for your kind words of support. However, this document shall
only ever be posted anonymously. This is because the 'Open Sauce' movement
is a sham, proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of
freedom. I speak for the common man. For any man who prefers the warm,
enveloping velvet folds of a woman's vagina [bodysnatchers.co.uk] to the
tight puckered ringpiece of a child. These men, being common, decent folk,
don't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture. I am
the unknown liberator [hitler.org] .



ROLF LAMO i hate linux FAGGOTS -- Anonymous Coward,
Slashdot


We shouldn't hate them, we should pity them for the misguided fools they
are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for
re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society.
This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of
Baywatch until the very mention of Pamela Anderson [rotten.com] causes
them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual jism [zillabunny.com] .



Actually, that's not at all how scrotal inflation works. I
understand it involves injecting sterile saline solution into the scrotum.
I've never tried this, but you can read how to do it safely in case you're
interested. (Before you moderate this down, ask yourself honestly -- who are
the real crazies -- people who do scrotal inflation, or people who pay
$1000+ for a game console?)
-- double_h [slashdot.org] ,
Slashdot


Well, it just goes to show that even the holy Linux 'sauce code' is
riddled with bugs that need fixing. (The irony of Jon Katz not even being
able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me.) The Linux
pervert elite already acknowledge this, with their queer slogan: 'Given
enough arms, all rectums are shallow.' And anyway, the PS2 [xbox.com] sucks major cock and isn't worth the
money. Intellivision forever!



dude did u used to post on msnbc's nt bulletin board now
that u are doing anti-gay posts u also need to start in with anti-black
stuff too c u in church
-- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


For one thing, whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda
masquerading as the future of computing, NT [linux.com] is used by people who think nothing
better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see
a really dirty porno film, enjoying the restriction enforced onto them.
Remember, a wasted arousal is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic church [atheism.org] . Clearly, the only
god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian
Program Monitor. All computer users should immediately ask their local
pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems. It is the only route to
salvation.



Secondly, this message is for every man. Computers know no colour.
Not only that, but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by
a Black Man [stilproject.com] . Now fuck off
you racist donkey felcher.



And don't forget that slashdot was written in Perl, which is
just too close to 'Pearl Necklace' for comfort.... oh wait; that's something
all you heterosexuals do.... I can't help but wonder how much faster the
trolls could do First-Posts on this site if it were redone in PHP... I could
hand-type dynamic HTML pages faster than Perl can do them.
-- phee [slashdot.org] ,
Slashdot


Although there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of
ejaculating between a woman's breasts, squirting one's load up towards her
neck and chin area, it should be noted that Perl [python.org] (standing for Pansies
Entering Rectums Locally) is also close to 'Pearl
Monocle,' 'Pearl Nosering,' and the ubiquitous 'Pearl Enema.'



One scary thing about Perl [sun.com] is that it
contains hidden homosexual [goatse.cx] messages. Take
the following code: LWP::Simple -- It looks innocuous enough,
doesn't it? But look at the line closely: There are two colons next to
each other!
As Larry 'Balls to the' Wall would openly admit in the Perl
Documentation, Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it's
programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so
closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of
'colon kissing,' whereby two homosexual [goatse.cx]
queers spread their buttocks wide, pressing their filthy torn sphincters
together. They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by
passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone. This
is also referred to in programming 'circles' as 'Parameter Passing.'



And PHP [perl.org] stands for Perverted
Homosexual Penetration. Didn't you know?



Thank you for your valuable input on this. I am sure you
will be never forgotten. BTW: Did I mention that this could be useful in
terraforming Mars? Mars rulaa.
-- Eimernase [slashdot.org] ,
Slashdot


Well, I don't know about terraforming Mars, but I do know that homosexual [goatse.cx] Linux Advocates have been probing
Uranus for years.



That's inspiring. Keep up the good work, AC. May God in his
wisdom grant you the strength to bring the plain honest truth to this
community, and make it pure again. Yours, Cerberus.
-- Anonymous Coward,
Slashdot


*sniff* That brings a tear to my eye. Thank you once more for
your kind support. I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the
Good Lord [atheism.org] 's work, but it is
encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.



However, I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus' on
such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot. It is a well known fact that the
'Kerberos' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing, in
intimate, exacting detail, how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling
canine animals; be they domesticated, wild, or mythical. Slashdot posters
have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and
wide, treating it as an 'extension' to the Linux 'Sauce Code,' for the sake
of 'interoperability.' (The slang term they use for nonconsensual
intercourse -- their favourite kind.)



In fact, sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties,
(Love of Anal Naughtiness, needless to say.), wherein
they entice a stray dog, known as the 'Samba Mount,' into their homes. Up to
four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge
their erect, throbbing, uncircumcised members, conkers-deep, into the
rectum, mouth, and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal. Eventually, the
'Samba Mount' collapses due to 'overload,' and needs to be 'rebooted.'
(i.e., kicked out into the street, and left to fend for itself.) Many
Linux users boast about their 'uptime' in such situations.



Inspiring stuff! If only all trolls were this quality!
-- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


If only indeed. You can help our brave cause by moderating this message
up as often as possible. I recommend '+1, Underrated,' as that will protect
your precious Karma in Metamoderation [slashdot.org] . Only then can we
break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture. Is it any
wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened 'Bender'???



If we can get just one of these postings up to at least '+1,' then it
will be archived forever! Others will learn of our struggle, and join
with us in our battle for freedom!



It's pathetic you've spent so much time writing this. --
Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


I am compelled to document the foulness and carnal depravity [catholic.net] that is Linux, in order
that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow. It
is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire
brush of enlightenment.



As with any great open-source project, you need someone
asking this question, so I'll do it. When the hell is version 2.0 going to
be ready?!?!
-- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


I could make an arrogant, childish comment along the lines of 'Every time
someone asks for 2.0, I won't release it for another 24 hours,' but the
truth of the matter is that I'm quite nervous of releasing a 'number two,'
as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to
suck it straight out of my anus before I've even had chance to wipe.



I desperately want to suck your monolithic kernel, you sexy
hunk, you.
-- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


I sincerely hope you're Natalie [geocities.com]
Portman.



Dude, nothing on slashdot larger than 3 paragraphs is worth
reading. Try to distill the message, whatever it was, and maybe I'll read
it. As it is, I have to much open source software to write to waste even 10
seconds of precious time. 10 seconds is all its gonna take M$ to whoop
Linux's ass. Vigilence is the price of Free (as in libre -- from the fine,
frou frou French language) Software. Hack on fellow geeks, and remember:
Friday is Bouillabaisse day except for heathens who do not believe that
Jesus died for their sins. Those godless, oil drench, bearded sexist clowns
can pull grits from their pantaloons (another fine, fine French word) and
eat that. Anyway, try to keep your message focused and concise. For
concision is the soul of derision. Way.
-- Anonymous Coward,
Slashdot


What the fuck?



I've read your gay conspiracy post version 1.3.0 and I must
say I'm impressed. In particular, I appreciate how you have managed to
squeeze in a healthy dose of the latent homosexuality you gay-bashing homos [comp-u-geek.net] tend to be full of. Thank you
again.
-- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


Well bugger me!



ooooh honey. how insecure are you!!! wann a little massage
from deare bruci. love you
-- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot


Fuck right off!



IMPORTANT: This message needs to be heard (Not HURD [linux.org] , which is an acronym for 'Huge
Unclean Rectal Dilator') across the whole community, so
it has been released into the Public [icopyright.com]
Domain. You know, that licence that we all had before those homoerotic
crypto-fascists came out with the GPL [apple.com] (Gay
Penetration License) that is no more than an excuse to see
who's got the biggest feces-encrusted [rotten.com] cock. I
would have put this up on Freshmeat [adultmember.com] , but that name is
known to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.



Come to think of it, the whole concept of 'Source Control' unnerves me,
because it sounds a bit like 'Sauce Control,' which is a description of the
homosexual [goatse.cx] practice of holding the base of
the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation, thus causing a build
up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made
into the base of the receiver's scrotum. And 'Open Sauce' is the act of
ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later.
Obviously, 'Closed Sauce' is the only Christian thing to do, as evidenced by
the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about.



Contributors: (although not to the eternal game of 'soggy
biscuit' that open 'sauce' development has become) Anonymous Coward,
Anonymous Coward, phee, Anonymous Coward, mighty jebus, Anonymous Coward,
Anonymous Coward, double_h, Anonymous Coward, Eimernase, Anonymous Coward,
Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward,
Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward. Further contributions
are welcome.



Current changes: This version sent to FreeWIPO [5u.com] by 'Bring BackATV'
as plain text. Reformatted everything, added all links back in (that we
could match from the previous version), many new ones (Slashbot bait links).
Even more spelling fixed. Who wrote this thing, CmdrTaco himself?



Previous changes: Yet more changes added. Spelling fixed.
Feedback added. Explanation of 'distro' system. 'Mount Point' syntax
described. More filth regarding `man` and Slashdot. Yet more
fucking spelling fixed. 'Fetchmail' uncovered further. More Slashbot
baiting. Apache exposed. Distribution licence at foot of document.



ANUX -- A full Linux distribution... Up your ass!



Number of packages (2, Funny)

n-tone (535094) | more than 12 years ago | (#2558210)

How many applications is bundled with this distribution ?
If there are less than 7000 programs you shouldn't buy it ;-)

Re:Number of packages (0)

seann (307009) | more than 12 years ago | (#2560267)

What if it comes with a full version of Maya 4.0 Free?

Yeah... Thats what you miss out on for being BIAS!

RPM is not that bad... (2, Informative)

O2n (325189) | more than 12 years ago | (#2558222)

From the article:
A limitation of RPM is the lack of ability to fetch and install dependencies that are needed when installing a given package. It can be frustrating to try and install some software only to be held back by unmet dependencies. This usually leads to time-loss as one has to track down these dependencies, install them, and then install the package you wanted to install in the first place.

I've been using redhat - at least on some test machines not involved directly in the network - since 4.1. While rpm is far from perfect, it's also not that bad as the article implies: you can search for the missing dependencies here [redhat.com] -- note that you have to check "Provided Packages", then download those packages from your favourite mirror.

Re:RPM is not that bad... (haha) (1)

atyr (531369) | more than 12 years ago | (#2558327)

Well actually, I deal with helping people on a few irc channels for linux problems. the biggest problem occurs with RPMs. Sure they may be newbies but they can install an rpm, and yet they install something else that requires it and it doesnt detect it on some occasions. This is not something id look at as not that bad. I prefer source myself but the .tgz works great for me, never had a problem once with it. As for bringing the world of Redhat and Debian together, why taint a good dist with redhat? I personaly dont like apt, but i like rpm even less, and then making a GUI for it? come on people. the more we step away from the console the lazier we get, the more vulnerable we get, and i dont want to say this cus a few friends use a lot of GUI but the dumber we get. Why do you need a gui for something so simple? And this brings up the question does it require X? if so im already sold on ANYthing else. a frontend is one thing. and what about the whole rpm version incompatability thing? you dont see this with tgz. I really dont want to upgrade to a new pkgtool or installpkg/upgradepkg to move on to slack 8.1. Am I just a lunatic user/admin gone anti-gui because of m$ or do other people share my views?

Re:RPM is not that bad... (haha) (1)

daveman_1 (62809) | more than 12 years ago | (#2558539)

Here is the easiest way I have found to deal with an RPM that refuses to install due to a lack of dependencies:

rpm -i --nodeps --noscripts X.rpm

This fixes RPM everytime. (Even if you do something silly like upgrade glibc on redhat 6.2, only to discover that you had better downgrade REALLY fast...)

You didnt try to install the last rev of KDE... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2558865)

...talk about rpm dependencies hell! There were 3 screens of dependencies on a RH7.1 machine. I could see it being like that on an older distro but not a new one. I decided I didnt want the new kde that bad.
I am seriously considering switching to debian. As I learn more about linux I see redhat failing to meet my needs/wants more and more.

Re:You didnt try to install the last rev of KDE... (1)

O2n (325189) | more than 12 years ago | (#2559827)

As I learn more about linux I see redhat failing to meet my needs/wants more and more.

Well, as you learn more about linux you fall usually in one of the following categories:

you don't have so much time on your hands anymore (most frequent). You tend to keep using redhat because it's familiar, and lets you experiment with (or concentrate on) stuff that matters/ earns you money;

you still have time, and the wish to take challenges; tis is the *nice* way, like winning the lottery. Good luck with Debian...

Re:RPM is not that bad... (2)

be-fan (61476) | more than 12 years ago | (#2560796)

Then, of course, there is urpmi which, despite its problems (like an extremely rigid idea of package servers), is one cool piece of software.

Package Fragmentation (1, Informative)

asr_br (143523) | more than 12 years ago | (#2558655)

They didn't mention the fact that CL 7.0 comes with a lot of packages fragmentation.

By "package fragmentation" I mean splitting XFree, Gnome, KDE, glibc and all other big software in a lot of small packages, keeping the compatibility with other distros and with the old CLs.

Example:
Number of packages
Software CL 6.0 --> CL 7.0
glibc 03 --> 65
XFree86 34 --> 79
kde 60 --> 276
gnome 32 --> 66
koffice 01 --> 19
linuxconf 56 --> 70
-devel 127 --> 373
rpm 03 --> 05


This is very useful when installing the distro in a machine with little disk space and specially when doing a remote upgrade (you don't have to download big packages with functionalities that you don't use).

A complete article: "Fragmentation of Packages on Conectiva Linux 7.0" can be found here [conectiva.com.br] , but it's in Brazilian Portuguese (I'm sorry).

- Ademar
"Unfortunately, no-one can be told what Linux is.. you must see it for yourself."

Kernel 2.4 maintainer (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2558738)

Keep an eye on these guys. Marcelo Tosatti, the new kernel 2.4 maintainer, works at Conectiva, and that's another reason to believe they're doing a serious job there.

Re:Kernel 2.4 maintainer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2560180)

they are doing a great work here in brazil.. but marcelo tosatti isn't a good guy.. in a first conectiva's release he putted a backdoor in they're linuxconf.. is it ethical ?

Re:Kernel 2.4 maintainer (0)

seann (307009) | more than 12 years ago | (#2560286)

accusations without links!

You Sound Like a Girl!

Re:Kernel 2.4 maintainer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2561739)

Marcelo is arrogant. He's not better than Alan Cox. This guy has serious problems.

YAGOD (Yet Another Geek-Only Distro) (2)

Z4rd0Z (211373) | more than 12 years ago | (#2559172)

&lt rant mode="on" &gt


I read the review for this, and it sounds pretty ho-hum. The conclusion states that it's fast and stable...well, it's running the same software as all the other 10,000 distros out there. What is it that makes it particularly fast and stable by comparison?


The other thing that really bothers me is that this sounds like it has virtually the same features as all the other big names: Graphical install, easy to set up...except it gives too many goddamned options! I would like to see a distro that is a coherent whole, not a mishmash of every possible choice. I mean, it gives a choice between 2.2 and 2.4 kernels! There is not a non-geek in this world who knows or cares what that means. Nor do they care whether is runs KDE or GNOME. It ought to customize one or the other to be the Connectiva desktop, thus making a product that's unique to them, perhaps adding to the KDE control panel the ability to configure everything on the system in one place. Instead they give you a choice of three desktops!


Does the world need another distribution that caters only to geeks?


&lt /rant &gt

Re:YAGOD (Yet Another Geek-Only Distro) (1)

MrBoring (256282) | more than 12 years ago | (#2559272)

I too wonder this. Having only used RedHat 7.x,
I can't say what the differences are between
distributions. I thought the end result was the same, once you got past the installations of the OS and applications. Not flamebait, but I'm just curious.

Re:YAGOD (Yet Another Geek-Only Distro) (2, Informative)

Banjonardo (98327) | more than 12 years ago | (#2559379)

Does the world need another distribution that caters only to geeks?

Perhaps the U.S. doesn't. But this is A Brazilian product, and technical support is gonna be in Portuguese. (Or Spanish, if you stretch it.)

The Brasilian people, yes, DO need a nice geek-catering distro, if only because it has techsupport in Portuguese.

Re: Choice is a good thing... (1)

bytes256 (519140) | more than 12 years ago | (#2559550)

You make it sound like choice is bad. In fact, choice is what Linux is all about. If you don't want choice, use windows, or MacOS, or even a commercial UNIX. I personally like the idea of being able to try KDE, GNOME, WindowMaker, Blackbox, FVWM, Enlightenment, etc.

Also, contrary to popular opinion, 2.4 ain't perfect, so it's good to be able to choose 2.2 if you need it.

Re: Choice is a good thing... (2)

Z4rd0Z (211373) | more than 12 years ago | (#2560047)

I'm not going to totally knock Redhat, Mandrake &amp Co, but we already have what they provide. Connectiva is not providing anything new, aside from being predominantly non-english. Now we need a NEW choice, because there is nothing yet out there that really anyone can install and use. That means a very limited set of the population, the geek set, has access to a HUGE number of distros and choices. But what about the rest of the people? Where are their choices?

Re: Choice is a good thing... (2)

be-fan (61476) | more than 12 years ago | (#2560786)

But isn't it a valid choice to reject choices? I mean, shouldn't there be a distro that standardizes everything, for users who don't want to deal with all the options? One man's choice is another man's chaos.

Re: Choice is a good thing... (1)

cymen (8178) | more than 12 years ago | (#2561768)

Also, contrary to popular opinion, 2.4 ain't perfect, so it's good to be able to choose 2.2 if you need it.

I don't think you have to worry about anyone thinking 2.4 is perfect at the moment. Personally I'm getting excited now that the linus and ac branch are merging down and 2.5 is going to start soon. But of course all these changes means we'll have to wait a bit longer until we know 2.4 is edging towards well done.

Use Corel Linux. (was: Re:YAGOD) (2)

Jens (85040) | more than 12 years ago | (#2560050)

Simple. Use Corel Linux.

It's an end-user desktop Linux distribution. That is, it is not much more than a very, very bare bones Debian Linux (slink) setup, with a modified and (well) customized KDE desktop. If it can't start KDE it boots into 'safe mode' (twm). By default, there is no console login except for a sulogin on console 2 (console 1 only shows a textbox saying "Please press Alt-F7").

After you install it (and there's not much more to installing than choosing whether to overwrite Windows or not) you get a default desktop with a web browser, an email client, a small office suite (Wordperfect) and a couple assorted (graphical) tools.

Just about the same you get with a default install of Windows 9x.

I.e. *NOTHING* in respect to tools, network stuff, programming languages, etc. The whole install is about 300-400MB. Hell, the first versions of Wordperfect wouldn't even install because xlib was missing.

But the 'average user' wants to install 10000 additional tools after installing the OS. Apparently. They don't want the OS installation to span 1-2 GB, but already include almost every kind of software you will ever need.

If that's what you want, use Corel Linux. It's "Linux for Dummies".

Re:Use [the abandoned Corel Linux. (was: Re:YAGOD) (2)

HiThere (15173) | more than 12 years ago | (#2560211)

I find myself believing that Corel abandoned their distribution. Didn't even hand it off to somebody else, just dropped it.

Not something that I would want to recommend to anybody, but it's probably safe, as I don't think you can order it any more.

Re:Use [the abandoned Corel Linux. (was: Re:YAGOD) (0)

magicslax (532351) | more than 12 years ago | (#2560827)

However, the up-and-coming distro redmond linux is based on Corel and certainly fills the linux for dummies void. It is by far the easiest operating system to set up and use that I have encountered. They're doing a good job up there in the city of evil.

Re:YAGOD (Yet Another Geek-Only Distro) (1)

6of9 (111061) | more than 12 years ago | (#2560460)

The beauty of this distribution is that it doesn't cater only to geeks, its made for and is very usable/maintainable by mere humans. I was able wean my Mom off her Mac with Conectiva, which isn't that big a deal, but I was also actually able to show her how to maintain her software via Synaptic, which is nothing short of incredible, IMHO. (I'm very used to the "set it up for the friend/family member and then support/upgrade it until the end of the world over a modem" type scenario.)

I've been using Linux since RH4.0 days (not forever, but not since last night, either ;-) and this distribution is the most exciting thing I've seen in a long time.

All installers should have this... (1)

pherthyl (445706) | more than 12 years ago | (#2560892)

on the first screen:

Do you have experience with linux?
Yes
No

If you check yes it will give you all the options and if you check no it will just install with default selections.

This would take about 5 minutes to add to an installer and would make everything a lot easier I think.

Re:All installers should have this... - mod up! (2)

cymen (8178) | more than 12 years ago | (#2561777)

So everyone bitched about this and didn't even find out this simple fact? It sounds like Connectiva is doing just fine with all the options. Mod this guy up!

From debianplanet.org (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2559355)

Here is a thread that discusses apt and rpm.

http://www.debianplanet.org/debianplanet/article .p hp?thold=0&mode=thread&order=2&sid=248

Er, it rocks the free world. (1)

saintlupus (227599) | more than 12 years ago | (#2559500)

Is it just me, or is this review incredibly low on actual information?

"Well, uh, it detected my hardware fine and then everything worked. The end."

I suppose this does say something about how idiot-proof the typical Linux distro has become, but there sure doesn't seem to be a whole lot of meat here.

--saint

Yeah...Brazilians rule (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2559734)

:)

Help? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2561139)

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