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Update on SuperK Detector Failure

chrisd posted more than 12 years ago | from the scientists-with-a-mission dept.

News 187

This note came in from Director Totsuka to the press and other scientists. Hemos and I felt it deserved more than just a regular SlashBack reference, as we feel that this is an important project. (I belive this comes form a translation from japanese, so forgive the errors) this is an update to the original post on the Super-K malfunction.

As a director of the Kamioka Observatory, which owns and is responsible to operate and maintain the Super-Kamiokande detector, it is really sad that I have to announce the severe accident that occurred on November 12 and damaged the significant part of the detector. The cause and how to deal with the lo ss in future will be discussed by newly found committees. However, even before discussing with my colleagues of the Super-K and K2K collaborations, I have decided to express my intension on behalf of the staff of the Kamioka Observatory.

We will rebuild the detector. There is no question. The strategy may be the following two steps, which will be proposed and discussed by my colleagues.

  • 1. Quick restart of the K2K experiment.
    • (1) We will clear the safety measures which may be suggested by the committees.
    • (2) reduce the number density of the photomultiplier tubes by about a half.
    • (3) use the existing resources.
    • (4) resume the K2K experiment as soon as possible; the goal may be within one year.
    2. Preparation for the JHF-Kamioka experiment.
    • (1) Restore the full Super-Kamiokande detector armed with the state-of-the-art techniques.
    • (2) The detector will be ready by the time of the commissioning of the JHF machine.
To achieve our objective is formidable but we are determined to do so. But we certainly need your encouragement, advice and help. I should appreciate it very much if you could support our effort as you have kindly done so before.

Best regards,
Yoji Totsuka
director, Kamioka Observatory
On behalf of the Kamioka Observatory staff

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So... (0, Flamebait)

Narag (163687) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567453)

Just what is the SuperK?

Re:what is the SuperK (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567491)

"SuperK Detector" is an anagram for "Corrupted Skeet". It does neutrino trapshooting. Of course they won't tell you why it failed, that's where the "corrupted" comes in.

Re:So... (5, Informative)

spaceyhackerlady (462530) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567526)

Just what is the SuperK?

A detector for neutrinos. Have a look at their web page [u-tokyo.ac.jp] .

I attended a talk last night by one of the scientists from the Sudbury [queensu.ca] neutrino detector. One of their Big Issues at the moment is figuring out why all the best neutrino detectors only pick up a fraction of the neutrinos predicted by all the best theories on the innards of stars.

...laura

Re:So... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567531)

Your Mom's Super-Kootchie. I corrupted it last night.

I can't even spel jernelist (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567723)

Now I is one!

signed,
BurritoBandito, MrMenstruation, MeEunuch, Jon "Floater" Crapz, Crowboy Kneel, Timid mouthy and My creel.

How long? (1)

Immature Bastard (467690) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567454)

Till thier fully back up to full capacity. As far as I gather thier hoping for half capacity in a year.

Re:How long? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567736)

That's a little personal isn't it? But if you insist, about this |==================| long.

sp? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567455)

sp?sp?sp?

IMPORTANT WARNING: Avoid CmdrTaco's "special taco" (-1, Offtopic)

WeatherTroll (529760) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567456)

This is an important warning to all slashdotters. CmdrTaco has been luring people (mainly underage males) into the slashdot compound to eat his "special taco".

You may be wondering what CmdrTaco's "special taco" is. You will be wishing that you hadn't been wonder after you finish reading his post. To make his "special taco", CmdrTaco takes a taco shell and shits on it. He then adds lettuce, jacks off on the taco, and adds a compound to make the person who eats the taco unconcious. Of course, the compound does not make the person unconcous until the taco is fully eaten. Thus CmdrTaco force feeds the taco to the unsuspecting victim.

After the victim is unconcous, he is held against his will and used for CmdrTaco's nefarious sexual purposes.

Please, if CmdrTaco offers you his "special taco", RUN LIKE HELL!!!!!!!!

Re:IMPORTANT WARNING: Avoid CmdrTaco's "special ta (-1, Offtopic)

Mt._Honkey (514673) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567473)

I must say, the very fact that people such as those who make posts like this makes me wonder about the value of the human race. I for one, hope that this commnet was made by random ASCII values due to bugs in slashcode, and not by a real person

Re:IMPORTANT WARNING: Avoid CmdrTaco's "special ta (-1)

WeatherTroll (529760) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567504)

Buddy, I am trying to warn the slashdot community about a major threat to them. I seriously doubt most of them want to eat CmdrTaco's "special taco", or be used as his sexual toy. The slashdot community needs this infomation.

Re:IMPORTANT WARNING: Avoid CmdrTaco's "special ta (-1, Offtopic)

Mt._Honkey (514673) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567516)

If you by I seriously doubt most of them want to eat CmdrTaco's "special taco", or be used as his sexual toy you mean I am seriously trying to cause sensorship of posts that sicken the rest of humanity, the yes, perhaps it was a valid post. I hope you die, lonley and in pain.

And then there's the TACO-SNOTTING!!! (-1)

George WIPO Bush (308209) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567528)

THE OFFICIAL TACO-SNOTTING FAQ [slashdot.org]
By The WIPO Troll [slashdot.org]

What is "Taco-snotting?"

"Taco-snotting" is a term used by one
Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda [cmdrtaco.net] , owner of the popular technology website Slashdot [slashdot.org] , to refer to the practice of sucking off a homosexual man (or unwilling heterosexual; CmdrTaco doesn't care, and is rumored to actually prefer rape) and blowing the semen back out his nose onto his partner's (or victim's) face or body. Usually a long, bubbly stream of milky-white semen is left on CmdrTaco's face, dribbling out of his nose, down his cheek: hence the term, "Taco-snotting."

Good Lord. Why have I been receiving emails from CmdrTaco asking me if he can Taco-snot me?

I'm guessing you've received an email similar to the following:
From: malda@slashdot.org [mailto]
To: wipotroll@hotmail.com
Subject: Hey, baby - jion me in a taco-snott! :)

Hey, baby!

Ever done a taco-snotting with anothar fellow geek? Its more fun then trolling Slashdot, trust me! all that talk you troll with about homasexual incest and stuff got me all horny and hot for you! Is it serius? Please tell me that itt is! If you want to get with me and my Slashdot bois, drop me an emale!

ps- Please replie to me at horny_rob_6969@hotmail.com. I'd rather the guys at VA Linux are not seen this. :) :)

--
CmdrTaco (malda@slashdot.org [mailto] )
You most likely forgot to uncheck the "Willing to Taco-snot" checkbox in your account preferences. Whenever CmdrTaco gets bored (and who wouldn't, running a site like Slashdot all day), he roams through the Slashdot database, penis in hand, looking for people who might enjoy being Taco-snotted. How he determines this is anyone's guess; but if you have a homosexual-sounding nickname, you're in trouble. So this time, he found you. Lucky you.
CmdrTaco has probably already got the hots for your wad, and he's probably already been lurking outside your bathroom window for weeks with a camera, some tissues and lube. There's no escaping a geek in heat, so it's probably too late for you, but you can possibly rectify this situation. To remove yourself from CmdrTaco's sights, log into your Slashdot account, go to your user page, click on
Messages, and uncheck the box next to "Willing to Taco-snot." Maybe he'll ignore you. Probably not.

I can't stop receiving these emails from CmdrTaco!?

Probably not. If you indulge him in a Taco-snot or two, he
might leave you alone. You might also want to look into mail filtering, restraining orders, or purchasing a heavy, blunt object capable of warding off rampaging homosexual geeks in heat. Trust me, when they charge... oh, the humanity. If he gets you, and you let him Taco-snot you, he might end up tying you up in his basement to use you as his sex slave for the rest of your life (or until he accidentally drowns you in spunk in a vile practice known as a "circle-snot").

What is a "Circle-snot"?

A "circle-snot" is a Taco-snotting
circle-jerk, another practice common among homosexual geeks. This is when CmdrTaco, CowboiKneel, and Homos get together and Taco-snot each other repeatedly with their gooey, hot, and sticky cum -- spooging their dicks all over each other's faces and pasty-white bodies until they're all covered head to toe with man juice. Roblowme usually provides plenty of extra lubricant; he owns a limo service and has ample supplies of motor oil and axle grease.
To complete this perverted orgy, fellow geeks Michael, Timothy, and Jamie often join in, dressed in black Gestapo uniforms, jack boots, and leather gloves. The whole group then proceeds to snot each other's spunk and whip each other's pudgy asses with riding crops and chains until their pasty-white geek bodies are sweaty and exhausted from all the passionate, homosexual revelry.

Eww. Have you ever been Taco-Snotted?

Unfortunately, yes. I first met CmdrTaco at an
Open Source Convention [geocities.com] . He invited me back to his room for a game of Quake, but when I got to there, he jumped me and tied me to his bed, stripping me. After taking his "Commander" out of his pants and made me suck him, he performed his vile Taco-snotting ritual on me three times over the next two hours, bringing me to orgasm, then snotting my own jizz back onto my face, in my mouth, then again on my belly.
CmdrTaco invited several of his Open Source (or rather, "Open Sauce" -- man sauce) Convention buddies over to continue the snotfest. Linux Torvalds raped my ass with his "monolithic kernel," and Anal Cox used his "network stack" in a multitude of unspeakable ways on and in every orifice in my body.
How did I finally escape? After about 16 hours of countless homosexual atrocities perpetrated against my helpless body, they all finally went to sleep, sweat-soaked and exhausted. I was left there, covered in geek jizz-snot, chained to the bed, with fat, pasty white fags lying around and on top of me. Fortunately the spooge coating my entire body worked wonderfully as a lubricant; I was able to squirm my way out of the handcuffs and slip out the back door. I'm just glad I survived the ordeal. These geeks had a
lot of built-up spunk in their wads -- I could've easily been drowned!

That's horrible. Does Jon Katz get involved in this? I thought he was a paedophile, not a homosexual.

Actually, Jon Katz is a homosexual paedophile. He's also a coprophiliac, and, many suspect, a zoophile. Jon Katz is somewhat of a loner and doesn't involve himself in circle-snots. Mr. Katz usually engages in a game called "Katz juicy-douching" with his harem of little-boy slaves: a vile practice which involves administering an enema to himself of the little boy's urine (forced out of them with a pair of pliers), spooging the vile muck from his ass back into the enema bag, then squirting and slathering the goo all over himself, and the little boy's chained-up and naked bodies. Unwilling boys are further tortured with the pliers until they comply and allow Mr. Katz to juicy-douche them for the rest of their lives.
As I already said, Mr. Katz is
also a zoophile. As if the sexual escapades with the helpless little boys aren't enough, Jon usually enjoys his juicy-douches best when his penis is firmly planted in a female goat's anus. He is also rumoured to get off on watching his little boys eat the goat's small, bean-like turds.

...Are you getting hard writing this?

Why, yes. :) Join me in a WIPO-snot? I promise I won't try and rape you or kidnap you and make you my sex slave or anything. I'm not like CmdrTaco or Mr. Katz; I only enjoy snotting on willing partners.

What's that screaming I hear coming from your basement?

Oh, that's just my little sister; I got her chained up down there. In fact, I just finished snotting all over her body. You should see her squirm when I spooge on her belly, lick it up, and snot it all over her face! She's such a feisty little 14 year-old bitch. Of
course she's my sex slave, she's my sister. What else would she be good for? So, join me in a WIPO-snot?

No, thanks. I'm already CmdrTaco's boi toi.

________________________________________

$Id: tacosnotting.html,v 1.6 2001/11/15 02:51:52 wipo Exp $

TACO-SNOTTING is really Donkey-Punching (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567601)

No no no, the correct term for that is "donkey-punch". I have eye-witnessed this amazing eye-popping event demonstrated on unsuspecting hose-monsters by my frat brothers in the past.. . :-)

"Taco-snotting" is a term used by one Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda [cmdrtaco.net], owner of the popular technology website Slashdot [slashdot.org], to refer to the practice of sucking off a homosexual man (or unwilling heterosexual; CmdrTaco doesn't care, and is rumored to actually prefer rape) and blowing the semen back out his nose onto his partner's (or victim's) face or body. Usually a long, bubbly stream of milky-white semen is left on CmdrTaco's face, dribbling out of his nose, down his cheek: hence the term, "Taco-snotting."

Re:IMPORTANT WARNING: Avoid CmdrTaco's "special ta (-1)

WeatherTroll (529760) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567530)

First, you need to learn how to spell.

I mean by "I seriously doubt most of them want to eat CmdrTaco's "special taco", or be used as his sexual toy" that "I seriously doubt most of them want to eat CmdrTaco's "special taco", or be used as his sexual toy", period, end of story.

Re:IMPORTANT WARNING: Avoid CmdrTaco's "special ta (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567519)

What, did CmdrTaco turn down your gay advances, or something? Is that why you're so pissed off?

Re:IMPORTANT WARNING: Avoid CmdrTaco's "special ta (-1)

WeatherTroll (529760) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567535)

No, I reject CmdrTaco's gay advances toward me. I refused to eat his "special taco". Fortuneately, I got out of the situation alive, so now I warn other here because not everyone will be as lucky as I was unless they are warned about the "special taco".

special troll pix (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567718)

click here [tripodasia.com.hk] for troll pix!

Must have been running Linux (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567458)

Rock solid stability for a Long time. Thats gotta be linux.

NOPE (-1)

WeatherTroll (529760) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567583)

It's running Windows XP.

Re:NOPE (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567606)

Actually, it's running Windows ME. They're hoping to upgrade to XP when they bring it back up to 50% capability.

So.... (-1)

tristan f. (259738) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567471)

Maybe I'm out of line asking this, but exactly what caused this? What accident is he referring to?

Slashdot admits that open source programmers stink (-1, Offtopic)

WeatherTroll (529760) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567474)

OPEN SOURCE PROGRAMMERS STINK

Slashot admits the truth here:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/25/2192 51 &mode=thread

As we already know open source programmers stink, both at their jobs, and in general. Take RMS for instance. He can't get a job as a real programmer so he starts the FSF. He also hasn't taken a bath or shower in over 20 years making him stink in general. Living in a dark cave doesn't help either. I don't want to know what is crawling around in his hair.

I'm sure there are people at your office who are just like RMS if they can hold their jobs. You know they are close because you can smell them. You are spending hours of overtime fixing their code.

For anyone reading this post none of this is a suprise. However, slashdot is a bastion of open source programmers. That is why the code is so bad, and its the only website that you can smell over the internet because it reaks!!!!

What was suprising to me (and to you I'm sure) was that slashdot admitted in the above linked article that open source programmers stink.

I commend slashdot for admitting the brutal yet honest truth.

If I understand this correctly... (1, Informative)

Tsar (536185) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567479)

...they're going to remove the imploded detectors, then take the 4000-odd surviving detectors and redistribute them, giving them a device of roughly half the resolution of the full SuperK. Is this what they intend to have working within a year?

I surely wish them good fortune getting it back online, and eventually restoring its full capacity.

Re:If I understand this correctly... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567500)

Isn't it just like chaning (big) lightbulbs? a whole year? oh how many jokes are there regarding that... how much time does to take the Japenese to change a lightbulb?

Re:If I understand this correctly... (5, Informative)

Tsar (536185) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567634)

Super-K is basically a huge underground cylindrical tank, about 40 meters wide and 40 meters deep, containing 50,000 tons of very nearly pure water. The sides, top, and bottom of the tank are covered with PMT's, the photomultiplier tubes which serve as detectors in the telescope. They are all pointed inward toward the mass of water, ready to detect the slightest Cherenkov light. (And slight it is—the Cherenkov light generated by the shockwave of a single muon is about as bright to the detector as a single candle seen from the Moon.)

Fortunately, each PMT is sensitive enough to detect a single photon of Cherenkov light. How does it do this? The same way you eat an elephant—one bite at a time. First, the photon hits a photo-cathode on the inner surface of the PMT's glass bulb, and the photo-cathode, in turn, releases an electron. The electron is attracted to a dynode, which carries a high-voltage positive charge, and accelerates toward it. When it hits, its great kinetic energy causes the dynode to emit several electrons, which are attracted to a second dynode with an even higher positive charge. The process repeats once for every dynode in the detector, until the final dynode is deluged with electrons, and sends a signal indicating that it has detected a photon. Neat, eh?

As you can imagine, PMT's are expensive ($3000 each, in this case), delicate, precision instruments, and you don't move them around like lightbulbs on a Christmas tree. Especially if you've recently gone from having 11,242 of them to having only 4,000 or so in one horrific oops [nytimes.com] .

Pick Up, Dust Off, Start Again (0, Interesting)

yancey (136972) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567485)

The Super-K has already produced some good scientific results. I'd like to see them discontinue this experiment and focus the resources on the next one.

I'd almost care, but the Xbox is here! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567486)

How's that Indrema thing you guys are so fond of?

ex pee (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567492)

Has anyone tried Windows XP yet? I hear it kicks the penguin's ass.

How CmdrTaco got his name (-1, Offtopic)

WeatherTroll (529760) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567493)

How did CmdrTaco get his name? We now know more of the story.

The story goes something like this. Rob Malda always liked tacos. He would eat them every day. Rob would also shove taco shells up his ass. Since CowboyNeal loved to spank Rob (and Rob enjoyed being spanked by CowboyNeal), the taco shells would be smashed driving the shards into his puckered filthy anus.

Like most Mexican food, the tacos gave Rob lots of farts and shit coming out of his ass. The farts stank everything up so much so that Hemos (the name Hemos as we know came from the two words he and homos) and the rest complained constantly. The only relief was when RMS would come over to suck their dicks since RMS stank worse than Rob since he hasn't taken a bath or shower in over 20 years.

The other problem was the shit coming out of Rob's ass. One problem was that Rob was a shit dribbler. (This was a result of the smashed taco shells in his ass. You could think of it as a miniture version of the anus of the goatse.cx guy.) That meant that whereever he went in the slashdot compound there would be a small layer of shit on the floor. (You know that everyone in the slashdot compound is naked so Rob never shit in his pants unless he went outside.)The other problem was that the toilet was always clogged from when Rob needed to take an actual shit meaning that JonKatz would have to piss and shit outside. Needless to say the neighbors did not appricate this leading to JonKatz's arrest many times. (It's too bad that he wasn't kept in jail.) This problem was eventually solved by letting JonKatz shit out stories on slashdot. What??? You thought that JonKatz's stories came from a part of his body other than his ass????

It was later discovered that Rob was a toilet slave. He enjoyed eating other people's shit. Instead the rest of them force fed him his own shit. Rob would also lick the floors clean. Thus, he commanded the taco for its entire life cycle (from both ends of his body no less) earning the name Commander Taco. This was later shortened to CmdrTaco.

Re:How CmdrTaco got his name (-1)

George WIPO Bush (308209) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567518)

THE OFFICIAL TACO-SNOTTING FAQ [slashdot.org]
By The WIPO Troll [slashdot.org]

What is "Taco-snotting?"

"Taco-snotting" is a term used by one
Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda [cmdrtaco.net] , owner of the popular technology website Slashdot [slashdot.org] , to refer to the practice of sucking off a homosexual man (or unwilling heterosexual; CmdrTaco doesn't care, and is rumored to actually prefer rape) and blowing the semen back out his nose onto his partner's (or victim's) face or body. Usually a long, bubbly stream of milky-white semen is left on CmdrTaco's face, dribbling out of his nose, down his cheek: hence the term, "Taco-snotting."

Good Lord. Why have I been receiving emails from CmdrTaco asking me if he can Taco-snot me?

I'm guessing you've received an email similar to the following:
From: malda@slashdot.org [mailto]
To: wipotroll@hotmail.com
Subject: Hey, baby - jion me in a taco-snott! :)

Hey, baby!

Ever done a taco-snotting with anothar fellow geek? Its more fun then trolling Slashdot, trust me! all that talk you troll with about homasexual incest and stuff got me all horny and hot for you! Is it serius? Please tell me that itt is! If you want to get with me and my Slashdot bois, drop me an emale!

ps- Please replie to me at horny_rob_6969@hotmail.com. I'd rather the guys at VA Linux are not seen this. :) :)

--
CmdrTaco (malda@slashdot.org [mailto] )
You most likely forgot to uncheck the "Willing to Taco-snot" checkbox in your account preferences. Whenever CmdrTaco gets bored (and who wouldn't, running a site like Slashdot all day), he roams through the Slashdot database, penis in hand, looking for people who might enjoy being Taco-snotted. How he determines this is anyone's guess; but if you have a homosexual-sounding nickname, you're in trouble. So this time, he found you. Lucky you.
CmdrTaco has probably already got the hots for your wad, and he's probably already been lurking outside your bathroom window for weeks with a camera, some tissues and lube. There's no escaping a geek in heat, so it's probably too late for you, but you can possibly rectify this situation. To remove yourself from CmdrTaco's sights, log into your Slashdot account, go to your user page, click on
Messages, and uncheck the box next to "Willing to Taco-snot." Maybe he'll ignore you. Probably not.

I can't stop receiving these emails from CmdrTaco!?

Probably not. If you indulge him in a Taco-snot or two, he
might leave you alone. You might also want to look into mail filtering, restraining orders, or purchasing a heavy, blunt object capable of warding off rampaging homosexual geeks in heat. Trust me, when they charge... oh, the humanity. If he gets you, and you let him Taco-snot you, he might end up tying you up in his basement to use you as his sex slave for the rest of your life (or until he accidentally drowns you in spunk in a vile practice known as a "circle-snot").

What is a "Circle-snot"?

A "circle-snot" is a Taco-snotting
circle-jerk, another practice common among homosexual geeks. This is when CmdrTaco, CowboiKneel, and Homos get together and Taco-snot each other repeatedly with their gooey, hot, and sticky cum -- spooging their dicks all over each other's faces and pasty-white bodies until they're all covered head to toe with man juice. Roblowme usually provides plenty of extra lubricant; he owns a limo service and has ample supplies of motor oil and axle grease.
To complete this perverted orgy, fellow geeks Michael, Timothy, and Jamie often join in, dressed in black Gestapo uniforms, jack boots, and leather gloves. The whole group then proceeds to snot each other's spunk and whip each other's pudgy asses with riding crops and chains until their pasty-white geek bodies are sweaty and exhausted from all the passionate, homosexual revelry.

Eww. Have you ever been Taco-Snotted?

Unfortunately, yes. I first met CmdrTaco at an
Open Source Convention [geocities.com] . He invited me back to his room for a game of Quake, but when I got to there, he jumped me and tied me to his bed, stripping me. After taking his "Commander" out of his pants and made me suck him, he performed his vile Taco-snotting ritual on me three times over the next two hours, bringing me to orgasm, then snotting my own jizz back onto my face, in my mouth, then again on my belly.
CmdrTaco invited several of his Open Source (or rather, "Open Sauce" -- man sauce) Convention buddies over to continue the snotfest. Linux Torvalds raped my ass with his "monolithic kernel," and Anal Cox used his "network stack" in a multitude of unspeakable ways on and in every orifice in my body.
How did I finally escape? After about 16 hours of countless homosexual atrocities perpetrated against my helpless body, they all finally went to sleep, sweat-soaked and exhausted. I was left there, covered in geek jizz-snot, chained to the bed, with fat, pasty white fags lying around and on top of me. Fortunately the spooge coating my entire body worked wonderfully as a lubricant; I was able to squirm my way out of the handcuffs and slip out the back door. I'm just glad I survived the ordeal. These geeks had a
lot of built-up spunk in their wads -- I could've easily been drowned!

That's horrible. Does Jon Katz get involved in this? I thought he was a paedophile, not a homosexual.

Actually, Jon Katz is a homosexual paedophile. He's also a coprophiliac, and, many suspect, a zoophile. Jon Katz is somewhat of a loner and doesn't involve himself in circle-snots. Mr. Katz usually engages in a game called "Katz juicy-douching" with his harem of little-boy slaves: a vile practice which involves administering an enema to himself of the little boy's urine (forced out of them with a pair of pliers), spooging the vile muck from his ass back into the enema bag, then squirting and slathering the goo all over himself, and the little boy's chained-up and naked bodies. Unwilling boys are further tortured with the pliers until they comply and allow Mr. Katz to juicy-douche them for the rest of their lives.
As I already said, Mr. Katz is
also a zoophile. As if the sexual escapades with the helpless little boys aren't enough, Jon usually enjoys his juicy-douches best when his penis is firmly planted in a female goat's anus. He is also rumoured to get off on watching his little boys eat the goat's small, bean-like turds.

...Are you getting hard writing this?

Why, yes. :) Join me in a WIPO-snot? I promise I won't try and rape you or kidnap you and make you my sex slave or anything. I'm not like CmdrTaco or Mr. Katz; I only enjoy snotting on willing partners.

What's that screaming I hear coming from your basement?

Oh, that's just my little sister; I got her chained up down there. In fact, I just finished snotting all over her body. You should see her squirm when I spooge on her belly, lick it up, and snot it all over her face! She's such a feisty little 14 year-old bitch. Of
course she's my sex slave, she's my sister. What else would she be good for? So, join me in a WIPO-snot?

No, thanks. I'm already CmdrTaco's boi toi.

________________________________________

$Id: tacosnotting.html,v 1.6 2001/11/15 02:51:52 wipo Exp $

Boy, that clears that up. (5, Insightful)

Bowie J. Poag (16898) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567505)



Still no formal explanation..This is beginning to sound an awful lot like, "Dad, I totalled the car..A telephone pole jumped infront of my car, and I couldn't swerve around it in time! Honest, Dad!!"

Something tells me these guys made a titanically stupid mistake, and they're afraid of letting the cat out of the bag before they have a chance to circle the wagons and defend their multi-million dollar "oops".. See, its kinda hard to rebuild the detector when your funds have been cut due to findings of gross negligence.

Again, I move we refer to it as the "Special K" detector from now on. :)

Cheers,

Re:Boy, that clears that up. (3, Insightful)

N9VLS (8026) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567543)

It seems more likely that the PMTs weren't manufactured to spec, and the enclosures failed as a result of pressure during the refill.

Gross negligence? Doubtful.
You don't get to spend that kind of money without at least pretending to account for possible problems. Thing is, no one expects the fscking detectors to implode like this....

Re:Boy, that clears that up. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567573)

No one expects the spanish inquishion! Thats what inshurance is for.

Re:Boy, that clears that up. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567608)

No one expected someone as stupid as you to be able to use a browser, either.

Re:Boy, that clears that up. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567632)

I'll come in again.

Re:Boy, that clears that up. (-1)

Pr0n K1ng (160688) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567602)

Wow, keep up these funny and insightful comments, and soon you too could have a job at slashdot (just like chrisd [goatse.cx] .)

Working for slashdot. Home of failed open source programmers and artists (also known as hangers on) for four years.

Next time, Poag, why don't you shut the hell up?

Re:Boy, that clears that up. (1)

The Larch (115962) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567646)

Crack mods, please mod the parent troll up, he's got a good point.

I'm so fucking tired of slashdot, I need to quit before I short out my keyboard with drool. And I think tonight the time has finally come. Browsing the comments on the Super-K followup, every single fucking comment at +3 or above has been "Funny" -- can you tell anything wrong with this picture?

Slashdot has degraded to the level of an irc channel. I'm off. Be good, all, and don't get horribly mauled by the schoolbus tomorrow morning.

probably no single stupid mistake (2)

mj6798 (514047) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567730)

Given that a lot of smart people were working on this for a long time, I doubt it was "titanically stupid mistake".

Here is a random guess at a scenario: someone dropped something or the detector was filled to quickly. The implosion of the first detector caused a chain reaction and caused nearby detectors to implode as well. You have to expect that these kinds of accidents happen.

I suspect that the people who built the device simply didn't expect a chain reaction of implosions. Maybe one can argue in hindsight that they "should have" thought of it, but it's not like people regularly build things that have thousands of vacuum tubes deep under water.

What would be stupid is if they anticipated the possibility of a chain reaction of implosions and decided "oh, we just aren't going to drop anything accidentally". We'll have to see whether anything like that eventually comes out. Until then, I'd hold my judgement.

Repair estimates top $30M (4, Offtopic)

Camel Pilot (78781) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567509)

It has been estimated that the US will spend $100 Billion in a year pursuing justice in the hinterlands of Afghanistan. That comes out to approximately $300 million per day! Or we will spend what is required to fix the SuperK in 12 hours. Kind of puts things in perspective.

Re:Repair estimates top $30M (2, Insightful)

PD (9577) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567529)

Can't do much science when people can't safely work in office buildings or post offices.

War is immoral, and spending outrageous amounts of money on war is immoral, but it is even more immoral to ignore evil.

Hope THAT puts things into perspective.

Re:Repair estimates top $30M (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567609)

You're one of those people who keeps a rifle in each room of your house, aren't you.

Re:Repair estimates top $30M (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567661)

what's wrong with that? Better that then being a pussy that probably couldn't even stop the Little Rascals from running through your yard let alone criminals.

I keep a gun on me most of the time. You're nuts not to defend yourself. Liberals want our guns and tell us they will protect us. Well, when they can't keep planes piloted by man men that are in America illegally from crashing into buildings what makes you think they can protect us in our homes?

Do I keep a gun in every room? No that's not a good idea. Do I keep one on my person at almost all times? Yes... and I think you are a coward if you don't.

Re:Repair estimates top $30M (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567536)

Yeah, what a waste of money it is to throw at Afghanistan, too.

Re:Repair estimates top $30M (1)

RGRistroph (86936) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567548)

It's also been estimated that we are spending 1 billion a month:

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/14/opinion/14KRUG.h tml [nytimes.com]

Are you sure that you didn't get your statistic from someone who couldn't think up a number bigger than 100 billion or a period longer than a year ?

Also, if we spend 300 million in a day, then we spend 30 million in one tenth that, or 2.4 hours, a lot less than 12.

Calculators are your friend, but if you are stupid in the first place, they won't help much.

Re:Repair estimates top $30M (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567612)

but if you are stupid in the first place, they won't help much

Woops! That must have been my problem :)

-Camel Pilot

Re:Repair estimates top $30M (2)

Camel Pilot (78781) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567617)

It all depends who you believe and what they count. The $100B was mention on CNN a while back. But I did find this link [msnbc.com] which gives a good cost comparision of this and other wars. A quote from the reference link:

"Because of its global scale and long-term nature, the war on terrorism probably will cost more than the Persian Gulf War, which totaled about $80 billion in constant fiscal-year 2002 dollars"

BTW, we are little quick to call someone stupid are we not. You should show a little restraint. I am sorry i accidently fat fingered the 1 and 2.

Re:Repair estimates top $30M (2)

Zeinfeld (263942) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567579)

It has been estimated that the US will spend $100 Billion in a year pursuing justice in the hinterlands of Afghanistan. That comes out to approximately $300 million per day! Or we will spend what is required to fix the SuperK in 12 hours. Kind of puts things in perspective.

The estimates reported by the BBC are a billion a year. The '100 billion' figure is the amount of corporate welfare the Republican party wants to ram through Congress under the pretense it is a stimulus package.

Before anyone gives these folk any more money they should be able to explain why the previous detectors went pop. Otherwise there is every chance the replacements will fail in exactly the same way.

$30 million is a pretty large chunk of change to lose. For the same money you could fund an awful lot of interesting Comp Sci research.

Re:Repair estimates top $30M (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567668)

"corporate welfare" makes the economy work. Do poor people that get welfare create jobs? Does giving my grandma more social security create jobs? Does cutting taxes for millions of middle class wage earners spur spending? Yes. Does consumer spending create jobs? Yes. Do massive tax cuts for the rich and for corportations provide available capital for investment? Yes. Does investement create jobs? Yes. Has this all been done in the past? Yes. Did it work? YES!!!

I suppose you want the government to make sure we all have some sort of crappy healthcare like Great Britain? Or do you want Bill Gates to use all the money you think he stole from consumers to pay for a $10 minimum wage for McDonalds workers? Pfff... people like you are sad and irrelevant. One of the few good things to come from Sept 11th is that radical left is no longer acceptable. They are no longer listened to and they no longer matter. YOU are irrelevant... YOU and YOUR opinions are invalid. The world is better for this. YOU really do not matter anymore until you get in touch with reality.

Re:Repair estimates top $30M (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567708)

Stimulus packages i.e. government spending meant to increase the demand of goods/services are famous failures. The Japanese have been trying for years and look at the success they are having.

I guess it is a sign that things are getting back to normal - we are returning to deficit spending again.

Stimulus packages get politicians and special interest groups all excited as they try to craft stimulus projects to their own predetermined and self-serving ends.

Re:Repair estimates top $30M (0, Flamebait)

vandan (151516) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567629)

The Bush family is in bed with the oil cartel & weapons manufacturers, not the scientific community. Anyway, you can't have too much scientific research going on, because the knowledge gained may tend to enspire people to think for themselves. ie "Why are we blowing the fuck out of Afghanistan civilians?"
War on terrorism. Yeah, right.
War on Bush's enemies, maybe..

Re:Repair estimates top $30M (2)

astrophysics (85561) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567669)

It's estimated to take 2 years to replace the PMTs. That's a matter of logistics not funding.

Re:Repair estimates top $30M (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567687)

Offtopic, but more people died on Sept. 11th from hunger than from the terrorist attacks. (Source: New Internationalist, issue 340, November 2001.) And people die from hunger everyday. Does that put things in perspective?

The Replacements (1)

Detroit (165885) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567520)

Didn't they just replace a few thousand of these PMT's? Could they just put the old ones back in for the time being? Might not be as sensitive, but it's better than not getting any at all!

poof

Japanese Engrish (2, Funny)

Robber Baron (112304) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567521)

I know, I know, I'll probably get modded to hell for this but I've got the points to burn and simply can't resist giving in to the Dark Side and Posting a link [engrish.com] to this site.

Failure is a function of goals (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567522)

Trollwave 2001 -- an endless space odyssey in time.

Yes, you can.

Troll network associates.

Anonymous Proxy crapflooding time!! (-1)

George WIPO Bush (308209) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567523)

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That's horrible. Does Jon Katz get involved in this? I thought he was a paedophile, not a homosexual.

Actually, Jon Katz is a homosexual paedophile. He's also a coprophiliac, and, many suspect, a zoophile. Jon Katz is somewhat of a loner and doesn't involve himself in circle-snots. Mr. Katz usually engages in a game called "Katz juicy-douching" with his harem of little-boy slaves: a vile practice which involves administering an enema to himself of the little boy's urine (forced out of them with a pair of pliers), spooging the vile muck from his ass back into the enema bag, then squirting and slathering the goo all over himself, and the little boy's chained-up and naked bodies. Unwilling boys are further tortured with the pliers until they comply and allow Mr. Katz to juicy-douche them for the rest of their lives.
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course she's my sex slave, she's my sister. What else would she be good for? So, join me in a WIPO-snot?

No, thanks. I'm already CmdrTaco's boi toi.

________________________________________

$Id: tacosnotting.html,v 1.6 2001/11/15 02:51:52 wipo Exp $

yeah but... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567533)

there is still no fucking formal explanation, Mr. Man. I'm not going to support anything, and I don't even see if this is news when we don't know what happened! I'm not going to give any of my help or support to someone who can't tell us whats wrong after it went wrong. All they're doing by delaying this info is ruining their reputation...

Re:yeah but... (2)

Shimbo (100005) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567848)

there is still no fucking formal explanation, Mr. Man.


Well no. It will be looked into by 'committees' - reading between the lines, some sort of board of inquiry will be set up. When you decide to do a formal investigation, you don't preannounce the results even if you have a damn good idea what happened. You make sure your investigation process is transparent and fair to anyone whose career might suffer. These things take time to do properly.

The solution is obvious (-1, Offtopic)

donglekey (124433) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567537)

They should have just done a full restart from the beggining. Or better yet, upgrade to windows 2000, it is much more stable than 98. Or maybe they installed a new printer and the software conflicted with their purple monkey guy program and their prirated version of quake III.

I know it felt funny when you wrote this.... (1, Offtopic)

Cplus (79286) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567843)

...but my major love of /. back in the day was that people who knew a little bit about the topic would chip in and we'd all learn more. My problem with /. today is that every jerkass with a wisecrack speaks up. Please Taco, we need a dumbass filter, now more than ever.

I expect that my comment will be modded down, as it is entirely offtopic, but I pray, with /. in mind that the parent gets modded down first and that others cry out against the idiocy that is running rampant on our beloved site.

Perhaps we should have two sections to every story, a 'for play' section and a 'for real' section where those that are informed can spread the knowledge.

Thank You

Wait how is this gonna work? (3, Interesting)

jgaynor (205453) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567544)

(2) reduce the number density of the photomultiplier tubes by about a half.

If they can up and cut the number of sensors in half will they still detect the "blue streak" of the Nuetrino if one happens to pass through? If so why were their that many photosensors in it in the first place?

Additionally - the tank will again be flooded with the same amount of water, and correspondingly, water pressure. With only half the amount of sensors - wont these sensors each have more pressure placed on them? Wasnt a collapse because of water pressure what caused the initial sensor implosion chain reaction?

This seems like a real cut-throat solution, I wish there was more of an explanation than just a few lines . . . Good to hear they're rebuilding though.

Re:Wait how is this gonna work? (1)

canadian_right (410687) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567562)

I would expect that they detect half as many neutrino's with half as many detectors. The experiment will have to run twice as long to get the same quality of data.

Having half as many detectors will have NO affect on the pressure on each sensor. Only the DEPTH of the water over a particular sensor has any effect on the pressure on it.

I would guess that since they broke a great number of these expensive sensors they are are planning on making do with the sensors that didn't explode.

Re:Wait how is this gonna work? (4, Informative)

brainboyz (114458) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567603)

Using double the desity of Photomultiplier Tubes allows them to get a better resolution picture of the energy released when the nutrino passes through. They won't get half the pictures, but they'll see them half as well.

It's a good solution for the time being because at least they can take pictures. If they waited until longer to get all the PMTs replaced, then they'd have less pictures overall instead of less resolution for a short period of time.

Re:Wait how is this gonna work? (2, Informative)

DerekLyons (302214) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567619)

the tank will again be flooded with the same amount of water, and correspondingly, water pressure. With only half the amount of sensors - wont these sensors each have more pressure placed on them?

No, the pressure on a sensor tube is a function of the depth of water at the sensor, not of the number of tubes in the array.

Wasnt a collapse because of water pressure what caused the initial sensor implosion chain reaction?

That's the purpose of reducing the amount of sensors in the array. Increasing the spacing will reduce the chances of another chain reaction. (The strength of the shock wave falls off according to the square power law. (IIRC)) Array sensitivity will suffer a hit, but loss of half the dectectors does not always mean loss of half the capability. I suspect that angular resolution will suffer more than the absolute detection threshold.

Re:Wait how is this gonna work? (2)

astrophysics (85561) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567677)

Since the PMTs have a vacumb inside, when the tubes are tightly packed, there's no (little) pressure tangential to the radius vector. I'd guess they'll put in "dummy detectors" or something to fill the space and keep the water from getting anywhere but on one face of the detectors.

Re:Wait how is this gonna work? (5, Informative)

dragons_flight (515217) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567659)

Yes they will detect it. What you lose by reducing sensors is resolution as to direction and energy.

It's actually rather unlike that they'll miss nuetrino events because of such a change. I've had the oppurtunity to look at individual event plots and raw data, and the Cerenkov light from a single event actually registers in a considerable fraction of the tank. IIRC, typically 5-30% of detectors see each event.

They use the timing of when each detector becomes active to reconstruct the path and speed of the particle generating the light. So fewer PMT tubes means less accuracy in determining the direction and energy of the nuetrino that produced the event. I would guess that it's not the case that half as many tubes means half the accuracy. If I were to make an estimate I'd say you're probably increasing the error on individual measurements by around 30-60% (as opposed to 100%, if it were doubled). This is most important on electron nuetrino events which were somewhat hard to accurately determine to begin with, compared to their muonic cousins.

With only half the amount of sensors - wont these sensors each have more pressure placed on them?

No. Hydrodynamics doesn't work that way.

Wasnt a collapse because of water pressure what caused the initial sensor implosion chain reaction?

Well the machine worked successfully for several years at the same amount of pressure, so this shouldn't be the initial cause of the accident. However it is entirely likely that the pressure facillitated the disasterous chain reaction once some faulty equipment or human error got it started.

This is an exotic size of tube and most of the replacements will have to be manufactured (which takes time), so this is probably the best solution we can expect in the near term.

Uno Momento.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567546)

What does this mean for Joe Sixpack?

Joe Sixpack Likes Antigravity (1)

i_am_nitrogen (524475) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567657)

What this means to Joe Sixpack is that he's gonna have to wait for another year before he can swallow an antigravity pill to make his butt less sore from sitting on the same chair for 15 hours a day watching football. But seriously folks, is there any reason why your average Joe can't be interested in science? Why is it that science is so revolting? Perhaps its because in school our children are being taught (not by teachers, but by coaches and other students, and the mere fact that each sport individually receives three times as much money as music or physics at the average high school) that to be smart is to be stupid, and that to be stupid is to be cool. One study (sorry, don't have specific details) estimated that there could be as many as 2000 gifted individuals of the elementary-high school age in my state that are likely to never reach their full potential because of poor education limiting their opportunity to grow. Imagine where society would be if we spent half the money we're spending on this war on gifted education instead. We'd likely have a cure for cancer, AIDS, what have you. Wow, I really strayed from my Joe Sixpack joke topic!

Etre, ou n'etre pas?

Re:Joe Sixpack Likes Antigravity (1)

cronik (196639) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567793)

According to hersay (a friend of mine in the atheletics department) the school district that I am in spent over 20,000 dollars to set up a football (American style) game. I was cool and all having two Palo Alto HS(s) playing football in the Stanford stadium, but the choir, band, and robotics (engr.paly.net) could have all been funded for a year off of that.

PS: sorry for not going with a html link, I'm too damn tired.

Re:Joe Sixpack Likes Antigravity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567797)

Gifted students being overlooked by the Public School system in America is nothing new.

If it really bothers you, find out exactly how the details affect you and form a plan of action. It's not going to change any time soon.

Somewhere in the Japan.... (2, Troll)

zulux (112259) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567557)


Mr. Tanaka: You have failed the SuperK - Dr. E.! Our German contacts are not pleased with the latest ramifications of the 'device.'
Dr. E.: Wah! But the Gaia force was in alignment, this can not be!
Mr. Tanaka: Your latest failure is being undue attention to our cause.
Dr. E.: Wah! But Pretty-Girl likes to SCUBA in the detector. Makes fresh-wind in water and boom - becomes divine-wind chain reaction.
Mr X.: Doctor, your failure is now at hand!
Dr. E: Wah! I give my body to the Emperor! Pretty-Girl, be saying Goodbye! (Slice) (Slice)

HAHAHAHA What does this mean? (1)

CrazyJim0 (324487) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567597)

All your base are belong to us!

Whass wong with thaat Ingrish? (-1)

Trollificus (253741) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567560)

The translator speaks better English than most Americans do already. I'll bet most people didn't notice most of the errors.

*BSD is dead (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567563)

Netcrft Confirms: *BSD is dying

Yet another crppling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when recently IDC confrmed tht *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in th recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dead

Re:*BSD is dead (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567616)

"Fact: *BSD is dead "



Funny, isn't that what Pair (pair.com) runs?

No need to ask forgiveness (4, Funny)

The Pim (140414) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567569)

I belive [sic] this comes form [sic] a translation from japanese, so forgive the errors

Don't be ashamed, Chris! We're quite used--indeed endeared--to the editors' barely intelligible brand of English. For Taco, that would be a good post.

Oh, you meant the quoted part ...

Re:No need to ask forgiveness (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567611)

Don't you mean "indeered"? and "enteligible"?

geez man, get a spellchecker already...

Re:No need to ask forgiveness (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567685)

Also:

This note came in from Director Totsuka to the press and other scientists.

I guess other scientists must mean scientists other than Director Totsuka, but at first glance it reads as scientists other than the press, which of course doesn't make sense because the members of the press are not in general scientists.

Re:No need to ask forgiveness (-1)

DivineOb (256115) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567931)

Yes, and most of the time my cock is not in your mouth... but exceptions happen...

IF I EVER... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567571)

IF I EVER MEET YOU, I WILL KICK YOUR ASS

Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted!
Reason: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

Can this work? (0, Redundant)

jdevons (233314) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567575)

I really like things that work.....

The world revolves around the sun?? (2, Interesting)

pjbass (144318) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567578)

I just got through reading through the description of the super-k and what it is supposed to do, and found myself hitting dictionary.com quite a bit. I was very impressed and excited about this project, but came across something that I read a few times and it still doesn't make any sense to me:

If the problem of solar neutrinos would be caused by the oscillation of neutrinos, it is predicted that the number of solar neutrinos is
different in the day and at night ; however, there is not much difference in intensity of
solar neutrinos between the day and night.


So the assertion (or hypothosis) is that the amount of neutrinos emitted from the sun's core is different during night than day?? If I'm missing something, please someone let me know. I find this difficult to understand, since the sun really doesn't give a damn what earth is doing, especially when you're talking about night in Japan vs. night in America. I honestly welcome clarification on this if anyone has any. Thanks!!

Re:The world revolves around the sun?? (1)

i_am_nitrogen (524475) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567618)

Actually, what it's suggesting is that during the night there would be fewer solar neutrinos due to the earth being in the way. Perhaps what is being discovered is that neutrinos are (for the most part anyway) not blocked or slowed down by the earth itself in any significant way, or that solar neutrinos really aren't caused by direct emission from the sun. At any rate though, I am not a theoretical physicist, I just like to think about this kind of stuff a lot, so I could be totally off the wall.

Night and Day (5, Informative)

MarkusQ (450076) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567623)

So the assertion (or hypothosis) is that the amount of neutrinos emitted from the sun's core is different during night than day??

No, the same number are emitted, but if they have to travel through the bulk of the earth before reaching the detector, it will effect how many you detect. That's true of photons too (you see a lot more of them durring the day, even though the sun emits at a ~constant rate), but here it is even more interesting; the neutrinos aren't being absorbed by the earth, they are being converted between two forms, one of which is easier for a particular detector to detect. So you can wind up detecting more at night!

--MarkusQ

Re:Night and Day (1)

pjbass (144318) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567626)

I have to thank you. I'd mod you up for informative, but I obviously can't. That is something I didn't think of (in my intoxicated state) for why the level of neutrinos detected would be different during night than day. I guess all I have to say is I wish they differentiated what they meant there, instead of implying the sun emits "more" neutrinos during "day" than "night." I found it confusing. But then again, this might have been something lost in the Japanese-English translation. Thanks again!!

Re:Night and Day (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567712)

I don't think you're quite correct...
Consider the scale of all these things, just for interest:
From production at the core of the sun (solar radius ~7x10^8m) to emission from the surface takes a photon (travelling at speed of light) somewhere on the order of a couple hundred thousand years or so simply because it interacts with matter so readily.
On the other hand, a neutrino produced from the same reaction travels almost straight out on the order of a couple minutes.
The earth has a radius of ~6x10^6m, to astronomical accuracy ~7x10^6m. In terms of volume, the sun is ~10^6 times as large. If we assume earth and sun to have equal density (not true..ho well), you can see that an interaction between solar neutrinos and the earth is of the same order as that between solar neutrinos and a large convection cell in the sun's atmosphere.
Since an observatory is only looking at a small percentage of neutrinos on a relatively thin path between here and sun's core, I don't think you could establish any day/night difference, even with years of observations.

Re:The world revolves around the sun?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567651)

Where is the Sun at night? Somewhere below your feet .... So, at night the solar neutrinos have to pass through the Earth, before they can hit the detector. According to some theories, this should give a detectable change in the neutrino signal.

I guess we'll never know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567582)

... what a Beowulf cluster of these would be like.

Horrible News (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567589)


I saw on CNN ten minutes ago, hang on they are running it now again.. yes, in the bottom of the Neutrino detector they found, unfortunately, Stephen King (horror author) dead at age 56. He was apparantly in the detector when they refilled it, and they are attributing his extra volume to the destruction of the tubes.

anyone know... (1)

deglr6328 (150198) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567650)

...a site with large (desktop size) images of super-k? some of those pics on the homepage look like they'd make unbelieveably cool desktop backgrounds, if only they were bigger.

Why TUBES ?? (1, Troll)

green pizza (159161) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567655)

I've been pouring over the details of this thing and something just doesn't sit right with me... the photomultiplier tubes. Why on earth would such a sensitive and crucial component be of an oldschool vacuum tube design? Did we learn nothing in the 1960s? I agree that it needs to rebuilt, but golly, use COTS (commercial, off the shelf) CCDs or similar.

Re:Why TUBES ?? (1)

i_am_nitrogen (524475) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567663)

Perhaps you missed the part where it says these are $30000 photomultiplier tubes. It would take an incredibly huge number of neutrinos emitting blue streaks to register on a CCD. These tubes are insanely sensetive to light I would assume, perhaps capable of detecting very small numbers of photons. Vacuum tubes are actually quite good for a number of things.. CRTs, vacuum fluorescent displays, guitary amplifiers... Plus, did it say they were vacuum tubes?

..whatever..

"Guitary" (1)

i_am_nitrogen (524475) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567665)

Yes, I said guitary amplifiers, meaning amplifiers used for guitar-like, or therefore "guitary" purposes. Tube amps just sound so sweet! I love analog synths too.
Anyway... OT!

Re:Why TUBES ?? (2)

dragons_flight (515217) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567672)

Fine. You show them a better way to be able to detect SINGLE photon events, roughly measure their wavelength and do it with sub-nanosecond resolution and I'm sure they will be very interested.

Re:Why TUBES ?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2567673)

You have no idea what you're talking about, do you?

Why use PMTs over solid-state light detectors? (4, Informative)

sigwinch (115375) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567762)

When you want to sense the raw quantity of light arriving (i.e., you don't care about direction, image, and color), PMTs are ludicrously good. They are absurdly linear over the range of one photon/year to millions of photons/second. (Solid-state detectors are notoriously nonlinear.) PMTs have a tremendous dynamic range. PMTs can measure the time of arrival of individual photons to the nearest nanosecond. (Solid-state devices tend to be much slower.) I don't know for sure, but I strongly suspect that large PMTs are vastly more reliable than equivalent solid-state detectors.

The real kicker is cost. Solid-state devices cost on the order of $1,000,000 per square meter of active area! PMTs are on the order of $100,000 per square meter. If you want hundreds of square meters of active area -- like in a neutrino observatory -- PMTs are the only way to go.

This is a tragedy (1)

Araneidae (466824) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567717)

What the hell happened?
All the New York times article [nytimes.com] says is this:
"thousands of light detectors imploded in a chain reaction ... [it] must have had something to do with the [water] pressure ... [and] happened as the water tanks were being refilled after ... maintenance."

They've lost 70% of the detectors.
This was such a marvellous experiment: it will be a real shame if they don't bring it back soon.

PMT? (1)

tomknight (190939) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567886)

Hey, they're spending $30m got restore PMT?

Man, those guys are masochists....

Tom.

Re:PMT? (1)

tomknight (190939) | more than 12 years ago | (#2567891)

Fuck me, I can't type for toffee. I really should have used preview then.

I meant "...to restore...", not "...got restore...", of course. Ah, the ebb and flow of karma.

Tom.

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