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Apple Patent Blocking PNG Development

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the everybody-needs-a-png-or-two dept.

Patents 357

Daniel writes: "Apple has a patent (U.S. Patent No. 5,379,129) on compositing a source and destination image using a mask image. This patent appears to read on alpha channel transparency, which the PNG and MNG file formats use. APPLE has declared in their patent statement to the Scalable Vector Graphics Working Group that their patent is only available for RAND Licensing. Since this patent appears to read on the PNG file format, Apple is hampering work on the PNG and MNG file formats. Perhaps Apple would like to clarify this situation by explicitly stating that this patent does not cover the PNG and MNG file formats or by RF Licensing their patent to the PNG and MNG development groups. Alternatively, the PNG and MNG developers are asking people to submit prior art in order to invalidate Apple's patent. SGI in particular appears to have prior art with their 'blendfunction.' Make sure the prior art you submit is older than May 08, 1992, the filing date of Apple's patent."

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Hmmm (1)

owenc (255848) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573357)

They promote open projects like Darwin [apple.com] , then turn around and do this?

Re:Hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2573369)

this has nothing to do with open source but with patents,they own darwin even if it's open.

Re:Hmmm (5, Insightful)

melquiades (314628) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573391)

Keep in mind:
  • They are a company; their business is making money, not being cool (except to the extend that being cool helps business).
  • They are publicly traded, so they have a legal obligation to their stockholders to do their best to make money, even at the expense of being cool.
  • Making money means pursuing every strategy available to them to its fullest extent, and taking advantage of whatever the law, the world, and circumstance gives them.
  • Sometimes this means doing cool things, like open-sourcing the core of their new OS.
  • Sometimes the means doing crappy things, like abusing an overinflated body of intellectual property law.
Of course, if they really do put the brakes on PNG (and let's wait to hear all sides of the story), and if that hurts their business (e.g. it hurts their good standing with their customers and developers), they won't do it. So maybe sending them a polite but firm e-mail asking for an explanation isn't a bad idea.

Re:Hmmm (-1)

Klerck (213193) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573407)

I was planning on sending them an email that said "U FUKUERS U SUK COCK1!!! I HOPE U DIE OF AIDS THX" but you've changed my mind.

Thank you

Re:Hmmm (1)

George Walker Bush (306766) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573421)

AIDS THX

Is that the new sound system from Lucasfilm or something?

Re:Hmmm (-1)

buttfucker2000 (240799) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573494)

It is the gay flu.

Re:Hmmm (2, Funny)

Rob Kaper (5960) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573416)

Sometimes this means doing cool things, like open-sourcing the core of their new OS.


As far as I know, BSD was already open in various incarnations. But the next time I build a proprietary layer above an open source project, I'll hire you for marketing so I can claim I was the one that made the core open source in the first place! :-)

Re:Hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2573486)

They didn't have to use BSD as their core for their new OS, they could have stuck with the old MacOS core, or they could have used BSD but kept it closed source (doesn't the BSD license allow you do to pretty much what you want?). Them keeping darwin opensource was a "cool" thing.

Re:Hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2573564)

They made the decision to go public, so they are responsible for all the ethical problems this has. Don't let them get away with this shit.

A must read for Slashdot fans! (-1)

The WIPO Troll (267426) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573419)

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What is "Taco-snotting?"

"Taco-snotting" is a term used by one
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Good Lord. Why have I been receiving emails from CmdrTaco asking me if he can Taco-snot me?

I'm guessing you've received an email similar to the following:
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To: wipotroll@hotmail.com
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--
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CmdrTaco has probably already got the hots for your wad, and he's probably already been lurking outside your bathroom window for weeks with a camera, some tissues and lube. There's no escaping a geek in heat, so it's probably too late for you, but you can possibly rectify this situation. To remove yourself from CmdrTaco's sights, log into your Slashdot account, go to your user page, click on
Messages, and uncheck the box next to "Willing to Taco-snot." Maybe he'll ignore you. Probably not.

I can't stop receiving these emails from CmdrTaco!?

Probably not. If you indulge him in a Taco-snot or two, he
might leave you alone. You might also want to look into mail filtering, restraining orders, or purchasing a heavy, blunt object capable of warding off rampaging homosexual geeks in heat. Trust me, when they charge... oh, the humanity. If he gets you, and you let him Taco-snot you, he might end up tying you up in his basement to use you as his sex slave for the rest of your life (or until he accidentally drowns you in spunk in a vile practice known as a "circle-snot").

What is a "Circle-snot"?

A "circle-snot" is a Taco-snotting
circle-jerk, another practice common among homosexual geeks. This is when CmdrTaco, CowboiKneel, and Homos get together and Taco-snot each other repeatedly with their gooey, hot, and sticky cum -- spooging their dicks all over each other's faces and pasty-white bodies until they're all covered head to toe with man juice. Roblowme usually provides plenty of extra lubricant; he owns a limo service and has ample supplies of motor oil and axle grease.
To complete this perverted orgy, fellow geeks Michael, Timothy, and Jamie often join in, dressed in black Gestapo uniforms, jack boots, and leather gloves. The whole group then proceeds to snot each other's spunk and whip each other's pudgy asses with riding crops and chains until their pasty-white geek bodies are sweaty and exhausted from all the passionate, homosexual revelry.

Eww. Have you ever been Taco-Snotted?

Unfortunately, yes. I first met CmdrTaco at an
Open Source Convention [geocities.com] . He invited me back to his room for a game of Quake, but when I got to there, he jumped me and tied me to his bed, stripping me. After taking his "Commander" out of his pants and made me suck him, he performed his vile Taco-snotting ritual on me three times over the next two hours, bringing me to orgasm, then snotting my own jizz back onto my face, in my mouth, then again on my belly.
CmdrTaco invited several of his Open Source (or rather, "Open Sauce" -- man sauce) Convention buddies over to continue the snotfest. Linux Torvalds raped my ass with his "monolithic kernel," and Anal Cox used his "network stack" in a multitude of unspeakable ways on and in every orifice in my body.
How did I finally escape? After about 16 hours of countless homosexual atrocities perpetrated against my helpless body, they all finally went to sleep, sweat-soaked and exhausted. I was left there, covered in geek jizz-snot, chained to the bed, with fat, pasty white fags lying around and on top of me. Fortunately the spooge coating my entire body worked wonderfully as a lubricant; I was able to squirm my way out of the handcuffs and slip out the back door. I'm just glad I survived the ordeal. These geeks had a
lot of built-up spunk in their wads -- I could've easily been drowned!

That's horrible. Does Jon Katz get involved in this? I thought he was a paedophile, not a homosexual.

Actually, Jon Katz is a homosexual paedophile. He's also a coprophiliac, and, many suspect, a zoophile. Jon Katz is somewhat of a loner and doesn't involve himself in circle-snots. Mr. Katz usually engages in a game called "Katz juicy-douching" with his harem of little-boy slaves: a vile practice which involves administering an enema to himself of the little boy's urine (forced out of them with a pair of pliers), spooging the vile muck from his ass back into the enema bag, then squirting and slathering the goo all over himself, and the little boy's chained-up and naked bodies. Unwilling boys are further tortured with the pliers until they comply and allow Mr. Katz to juicy-douche them for the rest of their lives.
As I already said, Mr. Katz is
also a zoophile. As if the sexual escapades with the helpless little boys aren't enough, Jon usually enjoys his juicy-douches best when his penis is firmly planted in a female goat's anus. He is also rumoured to get off on watching his little boys eat the goat's small, bean-like turds.

...Are you getting hard writing this?

Why, yes. :) Join me in a WIPO-snot? I promise I won't try and rape you or kidnap you and make you my sex slave or anything. I'm not like CmdrTaco or Mr. Katz; I only enjoy snotting on willing partners.

What's that screaming I hear coming from your basement?

Oh, that's just my little sister; I got her chained up down there. In fact, I just finished snotting all over her body. You should see her squirm when I spooge on her belly, lick it up, and snot it all over her face! She's such a feisty little 14 year-old bitch. Of
course she's my sex slave, she's my sister. What else would she be good for? So, join me in a WIPO-snot?

No, thanks. I'm already CmdrTaco's boi toi.

________________________________________
READER COMMENTS

  1. TACO-SNOTTING is really Donkey-Punching (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.15 6:38 (#2567601 [slashdot.org] )

    No no no, the correct term for that is "donkey-punch". I have eye-witnessed this amazing eye-popping event demonstrated on unsuspecting hose-monsters by my frat brothers in the past.. . :-)
  2. Re:the effect of knowlege laws... (Score:1)
    by AbsoluteRelativity [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.15 5:31 (#2567457 [slashdot.org] )

    The WIPO Troll [foundus.com]
    Slashdot and the Karma Lottery - News for uber monkeys, by uber monkeys.
  3. Re:Taco-Snotting (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.13 9:27 (#2557632 [slashdot.org] )

    Oh, man that's just sick !
  4. HOW DO I GET AN ANONYMOUS PROXY? (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.13 9:03 (#2557604 [slashdot.org] )

    TELL ME WHERE I CAN GET AN ANONYMOUS proxy please WIPO Troll. Maybe later i will join you in a snotting at my place. ;P
  5. Re:Taco-Snottage!?!?!? (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by vikool [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.13 7:43 (#2557495 [slashdot.org] )

    what is this bull shit,i feel offened that some people feel so so senseless to post stuff like these esp when such a tragic incident has occured
  6. Re:Taco-felching!! (Score:-1)
    by I.T.R.A.R.K. [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.11 22:38 (#2551890 [slashdot.org] )

    Where the fuck do I sign up?!

    - I throw rocks at retarded kids

    "Adequacy.org: Where congenital stupidity is not an option, but a requirement."
  7. Re:Taco-felching!! (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 21:53 (#2551753 [slashdot.org] )

    this shit is hilarious..keep up the good work.
  8. Re:Taco-felching!! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by rockwood [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.11 21:49 (#2551746 [slashdot.org] )

    OMG! That is the most disgusting thing I have ever heard! WHo in their right mind would sit down and waste the time to construct such a replusive story. I guess I'll be skipping lunch and dinner today.. and possibly tomorrow also. The game doesn't affect reality. Reality affects the game.
  9. Re:Ban this! It's disgusting!! (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 14:43 (#2550701 [slashdot.org] )

    dude, this is crap-flood material if i ever saw it.
    duuuuuuuuudddddddddddddeeeeeeeee.
  10. Re:Taco-Snotting = HATE SPEECH (Score:-1, Flamebait)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 8:16 (#2550266 [slashdot.org] )

    horny_rob_6969@hotmail.com

    Ah, so that's what the alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.horny-rob newsgroup is about!
  11. MOD THIS UP PLEASE!!! (Score:-1)
    by egg troll [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.11 5:34 (#2550024 [slashdot.org] )

    +5, Arousing

    For more info check out this /. article [google.com]
  12. Re:Taco-Snotting = HATE SPEECH (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 4:39 (#2549891 [slashdot.org] )

    WINNER>
  13. Re:Taco-Snotting = HATE SPEECH (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 4:37 (#2549887 [slashdot.org] )

    I love you. Why do you use your bitchslapped account, rather than signing up for a new account to post at +1 before getting bitchslapped by the censors here? I guess I should speak for myself, but I don't want to log out and lose all my slashdot customization properties, nor do I want to lose my 50 karma yet.
  14. Re:On Taco-Snotting (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.09 9:19 (#2542412 [slashdot.org] )

    you fucking rock! right down to the expanded cvs id!

    WIPO trolls > linux

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$Id: tacosnotting.html,v 1.7 2001/11/16 03:10:48 wipo Exp $

finally (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2573360)

Fp

Re:finally (-1, Offtopic)

owenc (255848) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573373)

Sorry hun, I got first post, and I managed to get a full sentence in there.

Re:finally (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2573392)



You also managed to get a 12" cock up your ass.

f1rs7 p057 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2573362)

biznatches. 2600 rulez.

1992? (3, Interesting)

melquiades (314628) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573364)

Apple introduced a function called "CopyDeepMask" into their API in ... I'm not sure ... certainly by System 7, maybe by 6. I'm pretty sure I was looking at that call in 1991, and maybe even 1990. Is 1992 the filing date, or the date they claim invention? Does it matter it pattent law?

For some non-Apple prior art, when was the first version of Photoshop released? Alpha compositing is its bread and butter, and I'm pretty sure even the earliest versions let you turn an image into a selection.

Re:1992? (1)

FFFish (7567) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573372)

Alpha compositing is dead obvious to even the most naive thinker, and the patent may be invalid for that reason alone.

Re:1992? (2, Informative)

mosha (217365) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573409)

> I'm pretty sure I was looking at that call in 1991, and maybe even 1990. Is 1992 the filing date, or the date they claim invention

The patent law allows one year since the date of public disclosure until the patent is filed. Therefore if you were looking at it in 1991 and they filed patent in 1992, they are still OK.

Re:1992? (2)

kevin@ank.com (87560) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573445)

Xbitmaps using seperate mask and data were included in X11R3 (possibly earlier, but that is the first version I worked with.) XPM which combines the mask into a single file has been around since at least '89, but there are numerous earlier versions of the same thing used for blitter objects and sprites. Alpha masking I'm not sure about, but I'd look for something on antialiased mouse cursors or the like.

I want I want I want (1)

havardi (122062) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573368)

Transparency, with lossy compression, layers and animation support.

Is that too much to ask?

PNG Open Source Masturbation (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2573370)

Oh come on.... who cares? The GIF (LZW) patent is due to expire within a year anyway, so why would you bother with gif? I bet you could even start using it now without Unisys being able to do much about enforcement. Yes it handles bigger images and more colors, but if you care about the image why aren't you using TIFF? It's not like storage or RAM is incredibly expensive. MNG is not and never has been a standard, it is just a proposal - animated GIF is here to stay.

Re:PNG Open Source Masturbation (1)

Nohea (142708) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573448)

KDE uses MNG for animations. I noticed that when trying to install KDE RPMs once.

Re:PNG Open Source Masturbation (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2573469)


OK - let's compare features:

GIF: 1 bit alpha (ie On or Off)
PNG: Up to 8 bit Alpha (ie antialiased edges, semi-translucent images, etc)

GIF: 8 bits per pixel of colour (severe image
banding for subtle gradations - inability to match important colours - no pantone possibilities).
PNG: (at least) 8, 16, 24 bits per pixel (cheaper than GIF all the way up to better-than-your-eye-can-resolve).

GIF: Animation.
PNG: ...well...you gotta use MNG (yuk - this was a poor decision IMHO)

GIF: Fast preview by interlaced download.
PNG: Even faster preview by much more complicated
pixel ordering scheme.

I think PNG wins hands down. The *only* feature
they missed was 'lossy' compression a'la JPEG...and GIF can't do that either.

TIFF is virtually unusable due to wild
proliferation of tags - TIFF images don't
port well from one tool to another.

Re:PNG Open Source Masturbation (2, Interesting)

wadetemp (217315) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573547)

Actually there are ways to get lossy compression out of both PNG and GIF. It's not built into the format itself though. It's a fairly simple matter for an application to rearrange the pixels in your image a bit so that they compress better (for example, swapping two pixels in GIF so that like colors are next to each other.) The image loses quality; the file size gets smaller. Lossy compression doesn't need to have anything to do with the format itself, but rather that format's ability to be smaller in size given loss of quality.

What a pain in the ass... (3, Interesting)

Bonker (243350) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573374)

Now that I've finally weaned myself completely away from the GIF file format, PNG is having patent problems. Let's add another line to "Software Patents are bad, M'kay?"

From what I understand, this patent tries to over-broadly apply to all in-file 'Alpha-channel' blending techniques.

My suggestion is to create an open-patent free protocol that replaces one file transparency with two-file transparency. IE, one file is the base image, and the second file acts as a transparency mask. Since it uses two files, this technique should be free and clear of the Apple patent, right?

An HTML tage for something like this would read something like

< img src="file.jpg" mask="mask.jpg" >

Stephen King, author, dead at 55 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2573375)


I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

Anonymous Coward, crap flooder, dead at 55 (-1)

All sporks are fags (528902) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573457)

I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Troller/Crap flooder Anonymous Coward was found dead in his cardboard home this morning, covered in semen. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy riding his dong, there's no denying his contributions to CmdrTaco's "sperm bank"(i.e., sphincter). Truly a homosexual icon.

You think THAT's bad... (5, Interesting)

Tsar (536185) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573377)

You know how, when you type the last character that'll fit on the last line in a text window, the top line disappears, all the other lines move up one, and the cursor appears in the first position of a new blank line?

IBM has a patent on that.

Re:You think THAT's bad... (0)

magicslax (532351) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573428)

However, IMB hasn't tried to *hamper development* of projects using this strange and unusual UI covention. When they do, I'm returning this world and demanding a better one.

Re:You think THAT's bad... (4, Offtopic)

Tsar (536185) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573489)

However, [IBM] hasn't tried to *hamper development* of projects using this strange and unusual UI covention.

No, but they've definitely used it to their advantage. I came across this information around a decade ago, so forgive me if I'm overly broad or forgotten some of the details, but this is how I understand IBM operated during the original Attack Of The Clones.

Let's say you and I decided back in 1986 to start building IBM compatible PC's. Hey, everyone's doing it, we'll sell 'em cheaper than IBM and make a fortune. So we get the board and case suppliers online, license our own version of the Phoenix BIOS and negotiate bundling licenses for MS-DOS, and we're underway.

Pretty soon after getting started, we get a nice little packet from IBM's legal department which contains photocopies of a few PC-technology-related patents held by IBM, and a polite letter wishing us success in our venture and inviting us to come on in to negotiate a patent-licensing agreement. You and I, being young turks who've never dealt with Big Blue, decide that IBM isn't going to bother with us over a few patents, and blithely continue our little operation.

Some time later (reports vary), there's a knock on our door. Several suits enter, one of them carrying a largish briefcase. They introduce themselves as legal representatives of the IBM Corporation, and in the course of time reveal the contents of the case. In it are complete copies of over four hundred patents with direct application in the construction of a fully IBM-compatible PC, covering everything from the ISA bus to the way the cursor moves when you hit the Enter key. They explain the situation to us, and finally dawn breaks upon our fevered brows.

We sign an agreement granting us permission to use any and all patents involved in PC construction, in return for a nice healthy royalty to IBM for every PC we make. We also sign a non-disclosure agreement which states that we will not only keep the agreement confidential, we will keep the existence of the agreement confidential.

Thus, for several years, IBM made money from every PC ever made, whether it had IBM on the label or not. I assume the patents in question have expired by now, but IBM is a technology-creating machine even now, and a large chunk of their revenue still comes from royalties.

Side note: I fully support this kind of use of intellectual property. If I create something and someone else is making money directly from my creation, I should profit as well. If someone is using my creation for free, however, that's another kettle of fish, and I lack room in these margins to deal with that issue fully.

Why... (1)

smaug195 (535681) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573382)

Is this [theonion.com] the only thing I can think of?

because (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2573543)

you're probably a big fat retard.

Apple has a long history ... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2573385)

HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF

+MONDAY MORNING+
Cmdr Taco: I will not suck any more dick ever again.
+MONDAY EVENING+
Cmdr Taco: *slurp* *slurp* *slurp*

+TUESDAY MORNING+
Cmdr Taco: I will not suck any more dick ever again.
+TUESDAY EVENING+
Cmdr Taco: *slurp* *slurp* *slurp*

+WEDNESDAY MORNING+
Cmdr Taco: I will not suck any more dick ever again.
+WEDNESDAY EVENING+
Cmdr Taco: *slurp* *slurp* *slurp*

+THURSDAY MORNING+
Cmdr Taco: I will not suck any more dick ever again.
+THURSDAY EVENING+
Cmdr Taco: *slurp* *slurp* *slurp*

+FRIDAY MORNING+
Cmdr Taco: I will not suck any more dick ever again.
+FRIDAY EVENING+
Cmdr Taco: *slurp* *slurp* *slurp* *slurp*

+SATURDAY MORNING+
Cmdr Taco: I will not suck any more dick ever again.
+SATURDAY EVENING+
Cmdr Taco: *slurp* *slurp* *slurp*

+SUNDAY MORNING+
Cmdr Taco: Today is the Lord's day.
+SUNDAY AFTERNOON+
Cmdr Taco: *slurp* *slurp* *slurp*

Re:Apple has a long history ... (-1)

buttfucker2000 (240799) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573506)

I love this crapflood.

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what if (2, Insightful)

fishebulb (257214) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573386)

the hypocrisy around here getting irritating. Since it was apple doing it, they are asked to explain their actions. Anyone else (read microsoft) would do something like this, there would be outrage.

Re:what if (2, Insightful)

fossa (212602) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573453)

There are like 20 comments at this point. It is clear there is no outrage. Why didn't I notice this earlier?

I for one am extremely outraged. I'm sick of this shit. I'm sick of being pushed around by corps. Might makes right. It sickens me that I cannot in good faith buy from virtually any company. I don't want my money paying for this bullying. This ranting does nothing though. Apple's betting most people won't care and they're probably right. Heck how many people have the balls to even boycott RIAA member record companies? How many people have the balls to reject bullshit dvd's? Not that boycotting them makes any difference whatsoever. But how much of your money has gone toward buying politians? How much has gone toward bullying PNG? Some of the money is mine. It makes me sick. I buy this shit anymore. Even one of my favorite bands, the anti-establishment, anti-big record comany, anti-MTV NOFX, has a lead singer who started an RIAA member record company. How can I justify purchasing from them any longer? Thank you. I'll go back to my cave now.

Re:what if (4, Insightful)

Graff (532189) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573496)

Have you read this [w3.org] linked page? Have you read any statements made by Apple that they are using this patent to prevent you from using the PNG format?

If you look at that page, you will see that Apple does offer a license for the patent as part of the SVG 1.0 patent which is being put together. It looks like they are just being cautious in order to keep their rights to the patent intact, but still allow it to be used for PNG and SVG.There are plenty of greedy corporations out there and Apple may in fact be one, but don't assume they are without looking at all the facts. Take a look at the sites listed in this article, write to Apple and ask questions, express your thoughts to Apple. If you are not then satisfied with what you see then you can make as much noise about it as you want. Making a big deal about this just because someone has implied wrongdoing on Apple's part is just being a follower.

Re:what if (1)

fossa (212602) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573524)

You are right of course. It's just so disheartening to see these headlines time and again. I need an 8 mile run right about now...

Re:what if (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2573477)

Just wait a tad longer. I, for example, haven't yet had my chance to point out the significant number of reasons why Apple is AS BAD OR WORSE than Microsoft when it comes to open standards and interoperability. This is just the latest in a LONG line of steps they have taken to put down the open source/open standards community. Anyone who thinks Apple is a "cool company" is more concerned about their image than technology.

Good luck on that one (2, Funny)

Rosco P. Coltrane (209368) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573389)

"This patent appears to read on alpha channel transparency"

So, is Apple going to go after the Photoshop or Gimp people ? that would really make them look like an ass ...

Re:Good luck on that one (2)

iomud (241310) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573447)

Apple's playing pages from the how to be a dick manual again.

Re:Good luck on that one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2573567)

How does a pointless comment like the above get moderated to 4 and Funny? It is not an interesting comment nor is it in the least funny.

it's different! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2573396)

apple hasn't been the nicest of people as of late. remember when they stopped everybody from copying the feel of OSX?

FUD? (5, Insightful)

crayz (1056) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573398)

Has Apple actually made any threats on this, or did someone just find this statement and see it as a possible precursor to a threat?

PNG has been around for a while now, and Apple has never(AFAIK) said anything about it in the past. I really don't see how this changes anything.

Now we're gonna get all these slashbots telling us how Apple is evil and everyone should boycott OS X/Darwin because of this, when they really haven't done anything. Chicken Little ought not be the standard tone of every Slashdot story.

Re:FUD? (2)

Rob Kaper (5960) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573431)

Now we're gonna get all these slashbots telling us how Apple is evil


No, but most patents are, especially ones with regards to software.

Re:FUD? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2573563)

yeah, lets not forget that its all microsofts fault

Re:FUD? (1)

jmd! (111669) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573580)

I think the problem is that they CAN, and for the next 75 years or however long patents last, PNG and MNG only exsist as long as Apple lets them.

> Now we're gonna get all these slashbots telling us how Apple is evil and everyone should boycott OS X/Darwin

Well, I still buy books from bn.com rather then amazon.com because of 1 click.

Prior art? Yeah, here's some prior art. (5, Informative)

Ryu2 (89645) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573400)

Try Porter and Duff [keithp.com] 's paper published in 1984 introducing image composition that started it all!!!!

Re:Prior art? Yeah, here's some prior art. (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2573436)


Actually, Alvy Ray Smith with Ed Catmull created an alpha compositing system in 1978 while Ed Catmull was doing a paper for SIGGRAPH '78.


He states this in his paper "Alpha and the History of Digital Compositing" in August 1995.


He says that his earliest dated documentation he has for that code is dated January 13, 1978. He specifically showed compositing an alpha image on a background which should just be like another image. I hope this helps

Wacky (1)

nexex (256614) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573401)

Apple sure does seem to be a wacky company, first this, and now those barely legible notices at the iPod commercials that read "Don't Steal Music".

Patented Spooging Techniques!! (-1)

The WIPO Troll (267426) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573405)

THE OFFICIAL TACO-SNOTTING FAQ [slashdot.org]
By The WIPO Troll [slashdot.org]

What is "Taco-snotting?"

"Taco-snotting" is a term used by one
Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda [cmdrtaco.net] , owner of the popular technology website Slashdot [slashdot.org] , to refer to the practice of sucking off a homosexual man (or unwilling heterosexual; CmdrTaco doesn't care, and is rumored to actually prefer rape) and blowing the semen back out his nose onto his partner's (or victim's) face or body. Usually a long, bubbly stream of milky-white semen is left on CmdrTaco's face, dribbling out of his nose, down his cheek: hence the term, "Taco-snotting."

Good Lord. Why have I been receiving emails from CmdrTaco asking me if he can Taco-snot me?

I'm guessing you've received an email similar to the following:
From: malda@slashdot.org [mailto]
To: wipotroll@hotmail.com
Subject: Hey, baby - jion me in a taco-snott! :)

Hey, baby!

Ever done a taco-snotting with anothar fellow geek? Its more fun then trolling Slashdot, trust me! all that talk you troll with about homasexual incest and stuff got me all horny and hot for you! Is it serius? Please tell me that itt is! If you want to get with me and my Slashdot bois, drop me an emale!

ps- Please replie to me at horny_rob_6969@hotmail.com. I'd rather the guys at VA Linux are not seen this. :) :)

--
CmdrTaco (malda@slashdot.org [mailto] )
You most likely forgot to uncheck the "Willing to Taco-snot" checkbox in your account preferences. Whenever CmdrTaco gets bored (and who wouldn't, running a site like Slashdot all day), he roams through the Slashdot database, penis in hand, looking for people who might enjoy being Taco-snotted. How he determines this is anyone's guess; but if you have a homosexual-sounding nickname, you're in trouble. So this time, he found you. Lucky you.
CmdrTaco has probably already got the hots for your wad, and he's probably already been lurking outside your bathroom window for weeks with a camera, some tissues and lube. There's no escaping a geek in heat, so it's probably too late for you, but you can possibly rectify this situation. To remove yourself from CmdrTaco's sights, log into your Slashdot account, go to your user page, click on
Messages, and uncheck the box next to "Willing to Taco-snot." Maybe he'll ignore you. Probably not.

I can't stop receiving these emails from CmdrTaco!?

Probably not. If you indulge him in a Taco-snot or two, he
might leave you alone. You might also want to look into mail filtering, restraining orders, or purchasing a heavy, blunt object capable of warding off rampaging homosexual geeks in heat. Trust me, when they charge... oh, the humanity. If he gets you, and you let him Taco-snot you, he might end up tying you up in his basement to use you as his sex slave for the rest of your life (or until he accidentally drowns you in spunk in a vile practice known as a "circle-snot").

What is a "Circle-snot"?

A "circle-snot" is a Taco-snotting
circle-jerk, another practice common among homosexual geeks. This is when CmdrTaco, CowboiKneel, and Homos get together and Taco-snot each other repeatedly with their gooey, hot, and sticky cum -- spooging their dicks all over each other's faces and pasty-white bodies until they're all covered head to toe with man juice. Roblowme usually provides plenty of extra lubricant; he owns a limo service and has ample supplies of motor oil and axle grease.
To complete this perverted orgy, fellow geeks Michael, Timothy, and Jamie often join in, dressed in black Gestapo uniforms, jack boots, and leather gloves. The whole group then proceeds to snot each other's spunk and whip each other's pudgy asses with riding crops and chains until their pasty-white geek bodies are sweaty and exhausted from all the passionate, homosexual revelry.

Eww. Have you ever been Taco-Snotted?

Unfortunately, yes. I first met CmdrTaco at an
Open Source Convention [geocities.com] . He invited me back to his room for a game of Quake, but when I got to there, he jumped me and tied me to his bed, stripping me. After taking his "Commander" out of his pants and made me suck him, he performed his vile Taco-snotting ritual on me three times over the next two hours, bringing me to orgasm, then snotting my own jizz back onto my face, in my mouth, then again on my belly.
CmdrTaco invited several of his Open Source (or rather, "Open Sauce" -- man sauce) Convention buddies over to continue the snotfest. Linux Torvalds raped my ass with his "monolithic kernel," and Anal Cox used his "network stack" in a multitude of unspeakable ways on and in every orifice in my body.
How did I finally escape? After about 16 hours of countless homosexual atrocities perpetrated against my helpless body, they all finally went to sleep, sweat-soaked and exhausted. I was left there, covered in geek jizz-snot, chained to the bed, with fat, pasty white fags lying around and on top of me. Fortunately the spooge coating my entire body worked wonderfully as a lubricant; I was able to squirm my way out of the handcuffs and slip out the back door. I'm just glad I survived the ordeal. These geeks had a
lot of built-up spunk in their wads -- I could've easily been drowned!

That's horrible. Does Jon Katz get involved in this? I thought he was a paedophile, not a homosexual.

Actually, Jon Katz is a homosexual paedophile. He's also a coprophiliac, and, many suspect, a zoophile. Jon Katz is somewhat of a loner and doesn't involve himself in circle-snots. Mr. Katz usually engages in a game called "Katz juicy-douching" with his harem of little-boy slaves: a vile practice which involves administering an enema to himself of the little boy's urine (forced out of them with a pair of pliers), spooging the vile muck from his ass back into the enema bag, then squirting and slathering the goo all over himself, and the little boy's chained-up and naked bodies. Unwilling boys are further tortured with the pliers until they comply and allow Mr. Katz to juicy-douche them for the rest of their lives.
As I already said, Mr. Katz is
also a zoophile. As if the sexual escapades with the helpless little boys aren't enough, Jon usually enjoys his juicy-douches best when his penis is firmly planted in a female goat's anus. He is also rumoured to get off on watching his little boys eat the goat's small, bean-like turds.

...Are you getting hard writing this?

Why, yes. :) Join me in a WIPO-snot? I promise I won't try and rape you or kidnap you and make you my sex slave or anything. I'm not like CmdrTaco or Mr. Katz; I only enjoy snotting on willing partners.

What's that screaming I hear coming from your basement?

Oh, that's just my little sister; I got her chained up down there. In fact, I just finished snotting all over her body. You should see her squirm when I spooge on her belly, lick it up, and snot it all over her face! She's such a feisty little 14 year-old bitch. Of
course she's my sex slave, she's my sister. What else would she be good for? So, join me in a WIPO-snot?

No, thanks. I'm already CmdrTaco's boi toi.

________________________________________
READER COMMENTS

  1. TACO-SNOTTING is really Donkey-Punching (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.15 6:38 (#2567601 [slashdot.org] )

    No no no, the correct term for that is "donkey-punch". I have eye-witnessed this amazing eye-popping event demonstrated on unsuspecting hose-monsters by my frat brothers in the past.. . :-)
  2. Re:the effect of knowlege laws... (Score:1)
    by AbsoluteRelativity [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.15 5:31 (#2567457 [slashdot.org] )

    The WIPO Troll [foundus.com]
    Slashdot and the Karma Lottery - News for uber monkeys, by uber monkeys.
  3. Re:Taco-Snotting (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.13 9:27 (#2557632 [slashdot.org] )

    Oh, man that's just sick !
  4. HOW DO I GET AN ANONYMOUS PROXY? (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.13 9:03 (#2557604 [slashdot.org] )

    TELL ME WHERE I CAN GET AN ANONYMOUS proxy please WIPO Troll. Maybe later i will join you in a snotting at my place. ;P
  5. Re:Taco-Snottage!?!?!? (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by vikool [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.13 7:43 (#2557495 [slashdot.org] )

    what is this bull shit,i feel offened that some people feel so so senseless to post stuff like these esp when such a tragic incident has occured
  6. Re:Taco-felching!! (Score:-1)
    by I.T.R.A.R.K. [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.11 22:38 (#2551890 [slashdot.org] )

    Where the fuck do I sign up?!

    - I throw rocks at retarded kids

    "Adequacy.org: Where congenital stupidity is not an option, but a requirement."
  7. Re:Taco-felching!! (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 21:53 (#2551753 [slashdot.org] )

    this shit is hilarious..keep up the good work.
  8. Re:Taco-felching!! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by rockwood [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.11 21:49 (#2551746 [slashdot.org] )

    OMG! That is the most disgusting thing I have ever heard! WHo in their right mind would sit down and waste the time to construct such a replusive story. I guess I'll be skipping lunch and dinner today.. and possibly tomorrow also. The game doesn't affect reality. Reality affects the game.
  9. Re:Ban this! It's disgusting!! (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 14:43 (#2550701 [slashdot.org] )

    dude, this is crap-flood material if i ever saw it.
    duuuuuuuuudddddddddddddeeeeeeeee.
  10. Re:Taco-Snotting = HATE SPEECH (Score:-1, Flamebait)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 8:16 (#2550266 [slashdot.org] )

    horny_rob_6969@hotmail.com

    Ah, so that's what the alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.horny-rob newsgroup is about!
  11. MOD THIS UP PLEASE!!! (Score:-1)
    by egg troll [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.11 5:34 (#2550024 [slashdot.org] )

    +5, Arousing

    For more info check out this /. article [google.com]
  12. Re:Taco-Snotting = HATE SPEECH (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 4:39 (#2549891 [slashdot.org] )

    WINNER>
  13. Re:Taco-Snotting = HATE SPEECH (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 4:37 (#2549887 [slashdot.org] )

    I love you. Why do you use your bitchslapped account, rather than signing up for a new account to post at +1 before getting bitchslapped by the censors here? I guess I should speak for myself, but I don't want to log out and lose all my slashdot customization properties, nor do I want to lose my 50 karma yet.
  14. Re:On Taco-Snotting (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.09 9:19 (#2542412 [slashdot.org] )

    you fucking rock! right down to the expanded cvs id!

    WIPO trolls > linux

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$Id: tacosnotting.html,v 1.7 2001/11/16 03:10:48 wipo Exp $

Hmmmm.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2573406)

So, getting one image, passing it through a mask, onto a destination image....

Didn't the Amiga Blitter do this?

I know that's how I used to write games on it.....

Re:Hmmmm.. (1)

Mr Thinly Sliced (73041) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573482)

It sure did. Not only that, but this alpha functionality was a hard-core part of the original Deluxe Paint [rit.edu] in 1986. (man, that program rocked!).

I remember getting really tripped on acid, and using the colour cycling in the program (F8 I think it was...). I'd draw a colour cycled blob on the screen, grab it as a brush. Turn colour cycling on, and then paint all over the screen with it. I swear that my screen melted that evening.

Re:Hmmmm.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2573553)

Thanks for sharing. I always love to hear stories of the drugged out masses we have hear on Slashdot. It gives me greater confidence that what I am reading really is unsubstantiated crap.

Just a bad idea (1)

KernelHappy (517524) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573411)

This seems like a really bad move for a company that has been skating the edge with the opensource community over their latest OS.

IIRC part of the motivation behind PNG was that Compuserve owns the patent on the GIF format and was beginning to flex it. GIF support was removed from the GD library for this very reason.

If they have some other motivation for trying to enforce this patent and win, lets hope they create some sort of license to allow the opensource community to continue to use it. Otherwise they will sour more people than they already have.

Re:Just a bad idea (-1)

I.T.R.A.R.K. (533627) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573534)

Well, here's the thing. The open source community means shit to Apple. Afterall, what can they do, bitch and whine on mailing lists about how evil patents are?
That's all they ever seem to do.

Seriously now, what can a community who carries no clout in the industry do to Apple?
Boycott? Pfft! Don't give me that. I'm still waiting for Taco to give up his anime DVD habit.
The fact is, Apple was around long before open source. They'll probably be around long after open source is gone (especially with MS keeping them afloat). I doubt they would miss them much if they were to take their business elsewhere.

- I throw rocks at retarded kids

Obvious and WAY older than 1992 (5, Informative)

spitzak (4019) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573424)

I have a book printed in 1990 (Foley & van Dam Computer Graphics Principles and Practice, first edition), the references papers that talk about it.

Every program that combines images and works with true color uses this. It is impossible not to, the algorithim is totally obvious. True color images (ie where the numbers represent levels of red, green, blue, rather than be indexes into a color pallette) were in common use in advanced visualization and simulations in 1980, such as Evans & Sutherland flight simulators. I also saw photo touch-up software that could duplicate a portion of the image and put it somewhere else in 1979, and I believe it must have used this, as otherwise the edges of the cut piece would be visible.

PORT84, Porter, T., and T.Duff, "Compositing Digital Images," SIGGRAPH 84, 253-259.

This is the paper most-often cited, however I think it's main addition is the enumeration of compositing operators and the introduction of "premultiplied" images. Before that I believe non-premultiplied was used as that was the more obvious solution. Also PNG does not use premulitplication.

Even if Apple is going to be a pita about this, it does not affect PNG, as the file format itself does not do any compositing, it just stores a 4th "color" called the alpha. So I would not worry about it there. However Photoshop and Gimp and the in-house program I write for Digital Domain uses this, and about six thousand other pieces of commercial and free software.

Re:Obvious and WAY older than 1992 (1)

philovivero (321158) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573521)

Aha!

The patent system was designed to promote progress in our society.

It's obviously working quite well because here it is, 1992, and we're finally able to use an alpha channel.

What year is it again?

Probably just a defensive patent (2)

Dominic_Mazzoni (125164) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573426)

Well, I took a look at their patent, and it really seems like they did patent alpha-blending. Obviously they never should have been granted such an obvious patent.

However, unless anyone has any evidence to the contrary, I'm going to assume that Apple only filed this as a defensive patent, and never intends to sue anyone because they make use of this idea.

we have patent laws live with it (-1)

Anonymous Pancake (458864) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573429)

Not everything is free... If you don't like the laws move to a country that doesn't have patent laws.. maybe haiti

Prior snot (-1)

The WIPO Troll (267426) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573432)

THE OFFICIAL TACO-SNOTTING FAQ [slashdot.org]
By The WIPO Troll [slashdot.org]

What is "Taco-snotting?"

"Taco-snotting" is a term used by one
Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda [cmdrtaco.net] , owner of the popular technology website Slashdot [slashdot.org] , to refer to the practice of sucking off a homosexual man (or unwilling heterosexual; CmdrTaco doesn't care, and is rumored to actually prefer rape) and blowing the semen back out his nose onto his partner's (or victim's) face or body. Usually a long, bubbly stream of milky-white semen is left on CmdrTaco's face, dribbling out of his nose, down his cheek: hence the term, "Taco-snotting."

Good Lord. Why have I been receiving emails from CmdrTaco asking me if he can Taco-snot me?

I'm guessing you've received an email similar to the following:
From: malda@slashdot.org [mailto]
To: wipotroll@hotmail.com
Subject: Hey, baby - jion me in a taco-snott! :)

Hey, baby!

Ever done a taco-snotting with anothar fellow geek? Its more fun then trolling Slashdot, trust me! all that talk you troll with about homasexual incest and stuff got me all horny and hot for you! Is it serius? Please tell me that itt is! If you want to get with me and my Slashdot bois, drop me an emale!

ps- Please replie to me at horny_rob_6969@hotmail.com. I'd rather the guys at VA Linux are not seen this. :) :)

--
CmdrTaco (malda@slashdot.org [mailto] )
You most likely forgot to uncheck the "Willing to Taco-snot" checkbox in your account preferences. Whenever CmdrTaco gets bored (and who wouldn't, running a site like Slashdot all day), he roams through the Slashdot database, penis in hand, looking for people who might enjoy being Taco-snotted. How he determines this is anyone's guess; but if you have a homosexual-sounding nickname, you're in trouble. So this time, he found you. Lucky you.
CmdrTaco has probably already got the hots for your wad, and he's probably already been lurking outside your bathroom window for weeks with a camera, some tissues and lube. There's no escaping a geek in heat, so it's probably too late for you, but you can possibly rectify this situation. To remove yourself from CmdrTaco's sights, log into your Slashdot account, go to your user page, click on
Messages, and uncheck the box next to "Willing to Taco-snot." Maybe he'll ignore you. Probably not.

I can't stop receiving these emails from CmdrTaco!?

Probably not. If you indulge him in a Taco-snot or two, he
might leave you alone. You might also want to look into mail filtering, restraining orders, or purchasing a heavy, blunt object capable of warding off rampaging homosexual geeks in heat. Trust me, when they charge... oh, the humanity. If he gets you, and you let him Taco-snot you, he might end up tying you up in his basement to use you as his sex slave for the rest of your life (or until he accidentally drowns you in spunk in a vile practice known as a "circle-snot").

What is a "Circle-snot"?

A "circle-snot" is a Taco-snotting
circle-jerk, another practice common among homosexual geeks. This is when CmdrTaco, CowboiKneel, and Homos get together and Taco-snot each other repeatedly with their gooey, hot, and sticky cum -- spooging their dicks all over each other's faces and pasty-white bodies until they're all covered head to toe with man juice. Roblowme usually provides plenty of extra lubricant; he owns a limo service and has ample supplies of motor oil and axle grease.
To complete this perverted orgy, fellow geeks Michael, Timothy, and Jamie often join in, dressed in black Gestapo uniforms, jack boots, and leather gloves. The whole group then proceeds to snot each other's spunk and whip each other's pudgy asses with riding crops and chains until their pasty-white geek bodies are sweaty and exhausted from all the passionate, homosexual revelry.

Eww. Have you ever been Taco-Snotted?

Unfortunately, yes. I first met CmdrTaco at an
Open Source Convention [geocities.com] . He invited me back to his room for a game of Quake, but when I got to there, he jumped me and tied me to his bed, stripping me. After taking his "Commander" out of his pants and made me suck him, he performed his vile Taco-snotting ritual on me three times over the next two hours, bringing me to orgasm, then snotting my own jizz back onto my face, in my mouth, then again on my belly.
CmdrTaco invited several of his Open Source (or rather, "Open Sauce" -- man sauce) Convention buddies over to continue the snotfest. Linux Torvalds raped my ass with his "monolithic kernel," and Anal Cox used his "network stack" in a multitude of unspeakable ways on and in every orifice in my body.
How did I finally escape? After about 16 hours of countless homosexual atrocities perpetrated against my helpless body, they all finally went to sleep, sweat-soaked and exhausted. I was left there, covered in geek jizz-snot, chained to the bed, with fat, pasty white fags lying around and on top of me. Fortunately the spooge coating my entire body worked wonderfully as a lubricant; I was able to squirm my way out of the handcuffs and slip out the back door. I'm just glad I survived the ordeal. These geeks had a
lot of built-up spunk in their wads -- I could've easily been drowned!

That's horrible. Does Jon Katz get involved in this? I thought he was a paedophile, not a homosexual.

Actually, Jon Katz is a homosexual paedophile. He's also a coprophiliac, and, many suspect, a zoophile. Jon Katz is somewhat of a loner and doesn't involve himself in circle-snots. Mr. Katz usually engages in a game called "Katz juicy-douching" with his harem of little-boy slaves: a vile practice which involves administering an enema to himself of the little boy's urine (forced out of them with a pair of pliers), spooging the vile muck from his ass back into the enema bag, then squirting and slathering the goo all over himself, and the little boy's chained-up and naked bodies. Unwilling boys are further tortured with the pliers until they comply and allow Mr. Katz to juicy-douche them for the rest of their lives.
As I already said, Mr. Katz is
also a zoophile. As if the sexual escapades with the helpless little boys aren't enough, Jon usually enjoys his juicy-douches best when his penis is firmly planted in a female goat's anus. He is also rumoured to get off on watching his little boys eat the goat's small, bean-like turds.

...Are you getting hard writing this?

Why, yes. :) Join me in a WIPO-snot? I promise I won't try and rape you or kidnap you and make you my sex slave or anything. I'm not like CmdrTaco or Mr. Katz; I only enjoy snotting on willing partners.

What's that screaming I hear coming from your basement?

Oh, that's just my little sister; I got her chained up down there. In fact, I just finished snotting all over her body. You should see her squirm when I spooge on her belly, lick it up, and snot it all over her face! She's such a feisty little 14 year-old bitch. Of
course she's my sex slave, she's my sister. What else would she be good for? So, join me in a WIPO-snot?

No, thanks. I'm already CmdrTaco's boi toi.

________________________________________
READER COMMENTS

  1. TACO-SNOTTING is really Donkey-Punching (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.15 6:38 (#2567601 [slashdot.org] )

    No no no, the correct term for that is "donkey-punch". I have eye-witnessed this amazing eye-popping event demonstrated on unsuspecting hose-monsters by my frat brothers in the past.. . :-)
  2. Re:the effect of knowlege laws... (Score:1)
    by AbsoluteRelativity [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.15 5:31 (#2567457 [slashdot.org] )

    The WIPO Troll [foundus.com]
    Slashdot and the Karma Lottery - News for uber monkeys, by uber monkeys.
  3. Re:Taco-Snotting (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.13 9:27 (#2557632 [slashdot.org] )

    Oh, man that's just sick !
  4. HOW DO I GET AN ANONYMOUS PROXY? (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.13 9:03 (#2557604 [slashdot.org] )

    TELL ME WHERE I CAN GET AN ANONYMOUS proxy please WIPO Troll. Maybe later i will join you in a snotting at my place. ;P
  5. Re:Taco-Snottage!?!?!? (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by vikool [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.13 7:43 (#2557495 [slashdot.org] )

    what is this bull shit,i feel offened that some people feel so so senseless to post stuff like these esp when such a tragic incident has occured
  6. Re:Taco-felching!! (Score:-1)
    by I.T.R.A.R.K. [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.11 22:38 (#2551890 [slashdot.org] )

    Where the fuck do I sign up?!

    - I throw rocks at retarded kids

    "Adequacy.org: Where congenital stupidity is not an option, but a requirement."
  7. Re:Taco-felching!! (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 21:53 (#2551753 [slashdot.org] )

    this shit is hilarious..keep up the good work.
  8. Re:Taco-felching!! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by rockwood [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.11 21:49 (#2551746 [slashdot.org] )

    OMG! That is the most disgusting thing I have ever heard! WHo in their right mind would sit down and waste the time to construct such a replusive story. I guess I'll be skipping lunch and dinner today.. and possibly tomorrow also. The game doesn't affect reality. Reality affects the game.
  9. Re:Ban this! It's disgusting!! (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 14:43 (#2550701 [slashdot.org] )

    dude, this is crap-flood material if i ever saw it.
    duuuuuuuuudddddddddddddeeeeeeeee.
  10. Re:Taco-Snotting = HATE SPEECH (Score:-1, Flamebait)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 8:16 (#2550266 [slashdot.org] )

    horny_rob_6969@hotmail.com

    Ah, so that's what the alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.horny-rob newsgroup is about!
  11. MOD THIS UP PLEASE!!! (Score:-1)
    by egg troll [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.11 5:34 (#2550024 [slashdot.org] )

    +5, Arousing

    For more info check out this /. article [google.com]
  12. Re:Taco-Snotting = HATE SPEECH (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 4:39 (#2549891 [slashdot.org] )

    WINNER>
  13. Re:Taco-Snotting = HATE SPEECH (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 4:37 (#2549887 [slashdot.org] )

    I love you. Why do you use your bitchslapped account, rather than signing up for a new account to post at +1 before getting bitchslapped by the censors here? I guess I should speak for myself, but I don't want to log out and lose all my slashdot customization properties, nor do I want to lose my 50 karma yet.
  14. Re:On Taco-Snotting (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.09 9:19 (#2542412 [slashdot.org] )

    you fucking rock! right down to the expanded cvs id!

    WIPO trolls > linux

________________________________________

$Id: tacosnotting.html,v 1.7 2001/11/16 03:10:48 wipo Exp $

Time for an Apple boycot!? (1, Insightful)

burtonator (70115) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573438)

Apple has demonstrated severe bad faith towards the Open Source and Free Software communties.

What do we do about it? Nothing. In fact a lot of us contribute to Apple. Hint. Stop posting
Apple press releases on slashdot. :)

Here is a good example from on of my .sigs


[slashdot.org]
Apple Threatens Open Source Theme Project



[slashdot.org]
Apple moves to again to squash look-alikes.



[slashdot.org]
Themes removed at Apples behest.



[slashdot.org]
Apple Advertises '1-click' licensing.



[slashdot.org]
Apple sues to stop leaks.


This type of behavior needs to stop. Now. Think different. Indeed!

I know that a lot of people here are excited about Apple's use of Darwin/*BSD in MacOSX. I think this is invalid. Apple couldn't build their own OS so they use choose *BSD to gain market share.

There really isn't anything wrong with this. It was a logical decision on their part. I just wanted to point out that this in NO way invalidates there bad, unfair, and rude behavior.

...Remember that corporations are amoral. Not moral or immoral but amoral. They logically determine how to make the most money. They make decisionswithout regard to compassion or ethics, much like a computer.

This explains the BSD decision but this also explains the RAND decision.

Unless we stand up an say NO this behavior will continue.

Peace.

Kevin

Re:Time for an Apple boycot!? Puuulleeezzz!!! (1)

alfredo (18243) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573484)

Have they tried to enforce this patent? Have they said that they are going to enforce it? If they start making threatening gestures, then respond. Until then, cool your heels.

You need a few shots of Woodford Reserve to settle your nerves. Works for me.

Re:Time for an Apple boycot!? (3, Insightful)

90XDoubleSide (522791) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573510)

Most of your points have nothing to do with OSS, or are weak. Apple Threatens Open Source Theme Project I agree was bad, but in Apple moves to again to squash look-alikes. Apple threatened a commercial Windows company that hosted a theme that copied Aqua graphics, and I support that. Themes removed at Apples behest., same deal with copied themes hosted on another site. I can understand contention when we start to talk about themes inspired by Aqua, but with complete ripoffs like this I think Apple should take action.

Apple Advertises '1-click' licensing. goes more toward proving amazon.com suckered them than showing evil on their part, and on Apple sues to stop leaks. I emphatically support their action, although you probably didn't get the complete story unless you read some real news on it. Apple tracked down and stopped a leak in their R&D division. He was trying to be harmless, releasing roadmaps and product details to Mac rumor sites, but his actions certainly gave Apple a huge disadvantage and lost them money. All they did was get him to agree to stop, even though they certainly could have won monetary damages. How can you oppose that?

"...a lot of us contribute to Apple. Hint. Stop posting Apple press releases on slashdot. :)" Oh yes, Apple would be davasted if /. stopped doing mostly misinformed and negative reports on their products. "Think different. Indeed!" Interesting since half your complaints had to do with people "Thinking Same." "Apple couldn't build their own OS so they use choose *BSD to gain market share." Apple can't make their own OS, eh? Actually they scrapped years of work to go with the BSD core, and they managed to put an interface on it better by orders of magnitude than anything yet available for an OSS OS, not to bash OSS OSs of course, just saying UI and setup is their big weak point in the desktop world currently. But I'm pretty sure everyone already realizes that "Apple couldn't build their own OS" was a troll.

Selective memory? (3, Informative)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573520)

You seen to forget:

HP, Apple Drop Support for Royalties on Web Standards [slashdot.org]

Don't you think that is HELPFUL?

I personally think it's rather odd they would state they do not support RAND, then say you have to use RAND for this standard... something is wrong here.

Re:Time for an Apple boycot!? (5, Informative)

sporty (27564) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573536)

Talk about FUD. Suing over interfaces has been known for a long time. I know 2 companies on the web battling it out right now just because they are competitors but one has a patent. Look at MS vs Apple, Apple vs Xerox (I swear there was a case). Don't make something so general so specific.


Also think of the confussion it causes when two products look identical. It should let the opensource community do this and not allow companies to do it? What's the insentive?


As for the one-click thing, please. They debuted one-click, so what. They are using, or at least were, using a technology. Don't pick on their website just 'cause they licensed a technology from another company that has a patent on it. What's cheaper, lisencing or going to court? Pick on Amazon for creating such a stupid patent.

And as for the cube-NDA contract issue, please. Gimme a friggin' break. So what if Apple likes to hide their new products until they are ready to do it the way they want. The employee signed a contract that he won't leak information from Apple. What if a competitor such as Dell caught wind and released something just as cool, but earlier. Great, Apple would get shafted 'cause of some ass employee who can't play nice.


As for the BSD crack you made, they are using opensource software and giving back the modified version, Darwin for free. Don't be an ingrate and say "Well, a patent (mind you invalid) exists, they get people to stop mimicing their interface verbatim, use OSS and recontribute while making their OS even more stable than before, so apple reeks." statement. Maybe we should step all over Apple and hack QuickTime, which uses a kick ass codec and try our best to drive the company into the ground.


You've just spread extreemist FUD about a company protecting its rights. piss me off...

Is it possible to change the GPL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2573443)

so that anyone who tries to enforce a software patent automatically loses the license to use GPL'd software?

Or has this already been done?

GIF? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2573444)

GIF dates back to 1987 - whilst it doesn't have a full alpha channel, it does have a 1 bit alpha mask. Isn't that enough?

I'm also pretty sure (but can't find evidence) that SGI's "Haeberli" image format dates back to the late 1980's - that format has a full alpha channel.

I certainly designed hardware that would render textured polygons composited by alpha blends back in the late 1980's. I have screen shots taken from that system. [sjbaker.org]

(Notice the alpha textured trees in the righthand image - those are 'composited via a mask').

Earlier than that, the Quantel Paintbox (used in TV studio's to produce 2D artwork) had some kind of alpha-based compositing feature.

This patent would have had to be filed in about 1978 to have avoided all prior art - and even then, it would have been considered 'trivial' IMHO.

IMPORTANT WARNING: Avoid CmdrTaco's "special taco" (-1)

WeatherTroll (529760) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573446)

This is an important warning to all slashdotters. CmdrTaco has been luring people (mainly underage males) into the slashdot compound to eat his "special taco".

You may be wondering what CmdrTaco's "special taco" is. You will be wishing that you hadn't been wondered after you finish reading his post. To make his "special taco", CmdrTaco takes a taco shell and shits on it. He then adds lettuce, jacks off on the taco, and adds a compound to make the person who eats the taco unconcious. Of course, the compound does not make the person unconcous until the taco is fully eaten. Thus CmdrTaco force feeds the taco to the unsuspecting victim.

After the victim is unconcous, he is held against his will and used for CmdrTaco's nefarious sexual purposes.

Please, if CmdrTaco offers you his "special taco", RUN LIKE HELL!!!!!!!!

Re:IMPORTANT WARNING: Avoid CmdrTaco's "special ta (-1)

buttfucker2000 (240799) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573544)

I heard that this is true, everybody better watch out

*BSD is dying (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2573449)

Netcrft Confirms: *BSD is dying

Yet another crppling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when recently IDC confrmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in th recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dad.

Fact: *BSD is dead

Outdated, irrelevant facts w/o more info (5, Interesting)

90XDoubleSide (522791) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573450)

The patent statement was last updated in July, and in October Apple made a public statement that they would no longer support any patent agreement for web standards except royalty-free. Does anyone else see problems in the reporting here?

Who honestly believes Apple would try to milk this almost certainly invalid patent? What do they gain by going after PNG? I think everyone will agree that web standards help Apple, and they are not going to do something against their best interest.

And what is up with /. posting stories about months-old facts with no new developments anyways? I think it is good for /. to bring this issue up and get Apple to clarify their position, but listen to the report: "APPLE has declared in their patent statement to the Scalable Vector Graphics Working Group that their patent is only available for RAND Licensing." They make it sound like it just happened! And while I'm complaining, why is "Apple" in all caps ;)

Re:Outdated, irrelevant facts w/o more info (5, Funny)

Gogo Dodo (129808) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573478)

You knew this story was going to get posted. It has all of the hallmarks of an automatic post: big, bad public company that doesn't do GPL very well (+2 for Apple, +5 for MS) sues (+1) GPL group (+1) over patent (+5). Ding! Ding! Ding! Automatic post...

The only thing missing is the Linux reference.

Re:Outdated, irrelevant facts w/o more info (1, Offtopic)

Legion303 (97901) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573502)

Ding! Ding! Ding! Automatic post...

2001-02-05 10:55:26 Hawaiian ISP: "No AOLers!" (articles,news)(rejected)

2001-10-31 16:00:26 Audiogalaxy blocking my own copyrighted songs (yro,internet)(rejected)

2001-11-14 02:59:15 Op-Ed piece advocates summary executions by police (articles,news)(rejected)

Now I see I should have submitted them like this:

Apple: "No AOLers!"
Microsoft blocking my colon
RMS advocates summary execution for people who don't refer to it as "Gnu Linux"

And now I'll be modded down as Offtopic. You just can't win. :P

But seriously, Slashdot does seem a bit on the tabloid side lately.

-Legion

Re:Outdated, irrelevant facts w/o more info (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2573488)

Links, please! Your post sounds good enough, but unless you have some proof of what you are saying it is worthless.

Re:Outdated, irrelevant facts w/o more info (1)

Canyon Rat (103953) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573505)

"The patent statement was last updated in July, and in October Apple made a public statement that they would no longer support any patent agreement for web standards except royalty-free. Does anyone else see problems in the reporting here?"

No more than usual. I'm afraid this has been the standard for awhile.

IANAL and I know little about patent law but I suspect that by distributing free PNG codecs for Mac and Windows Apple has invalidated any claims for royalties that they may have had. Common sense, an admittedly poor guide to the law, says that if you give something away, you can't later demand a royalty payment. QuickTime does include PNG codecs and the docs say so very explicitly.

This looks like a routine patent disclosure to me. I hope someone who understands the legal issues will respond.

Re:Outdated, irrelevant facts w/o more info (1)

NitsujTPU (19263) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573583)

While I'm not debating your view. I would like to make the observation that png is not a web standard, it is an image format.

standard textbook technique (3, Informative)

mj6798 (514047) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573454)

Alpha compositing is in Foley and van Dam's second edition (1990, p835-840), and it is almost certainly also in the first edition, which I don't even have anymore. My guess is that people came up with this some time in the 1960's. Foley and van Dam even talk about subpixel issues and tree-based representations in compositing. Not that any of this shouldn't be obvious to any reasonably intelligent CS undegraduate anyway.

I think this leaves only two possible conclusions: either Apple's legal staff and the inventors, Konstantin Othmer and Bruce Leak, are completely incompetent, or the inventors deliberately tried to patent a technique they knew to be in wide use and Apple's legal staff is deliberately trying to enforce an invalid patent. Apple didn't even have the smarts to offer this patent for "royalty free" licensing to SVG.

Forget about any of Apple's claims of openness: this is such a clear case of patent abuse that it can't be an accident or mistake. The open source community would do well to stonewall Apple: don't incorporate OSX-related patches into open source projects, don't port to their hardware, and don't buy their products.

Re:standard textbook technique (3, Informative)

Pseudonym (62607) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573526)

The technique doesn't date back to the 1960s. Alvy Ray Smith, who claims the technique's co-invention with Ed Catmull (who were both working at Lucasfilm at the time), says the earliest date on his alpha channel code is January 1978, but the technique was probably actually invented the previous December. (He has good reason for saying this, BTW. Final copy for Ed Catmull's 1978 SIGGRAPH paper was due in January, and the code in question was used to produce some of the figures.)

Still well before 1992, of course.

Re:standard textbook technique (2)

mj6798 (514047) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573559)

That's a good reference. There may be other, earlier references, though: it's not unusual for the computer graphics community to reinvent techniques that were previously already known in the signal and image processing communities.

1989 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2573458)

There was a DOS graphics program available in 1989 called "Elppa Tihstae" which produced graphics with a 4-bit alpha channel. I think the program was written by a now defunct company called WypoSoft.

Forget PNG (1)

KidSock (150684) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573461)

Too much of a hassle. Just use GIF [unisys.com] instead.

*BSD is dead (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2573466)

Netcrafthas confirmed: *BSD is dying

Yet another crppling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when recently IDC confrmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in th recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dead - buh-bye

Is Apple being unreasonable? (2, Interesting)

Graff (532189) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573474)

Before anyone goes off the deep end, I would like to know if Apple is intending on using this to block development on PNG, or if they are holding the patent but don't plan on interfering. Has there been a statement made by Apple that they are blocking the use of the PNG format or the SVG 1.0 patent?

Holding a patent is one thing, vigorously going after people who use the patented technology is another. I'm not up on my legalese but I do see that Apple provides a RAND (Reasonable And Non-Discriminatory terms) license for the use of the technology. I'm not sure what the implications are, but it does look as if Apple is making an attempt to accommodate the SVG 1.0 patent.

If people think that Apple's terms, or the terms of any of the 11 other patent holders involved, are too strict then I'd say your best bet is to write a nice letter to Apple explaining why you think so. Apple holds a lot of patents and, from what I've seen so far, are fairly reasonable about opening them up. Of course they still want to hold on to their intellectual property, but they have opened up patents in the past for reasonable use.

Come on. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2573479)

News Notice: Over Zealous Slashdotters Flame Apple For no reason.

Okay I may be just a little off base here but has Apple made any threats to use this. NO!! Find me one. Just One. The only reason The W3C even listed them among 8 or so others is to cover their own asses. Stop acting like they just filed the patent yesterday they have had for years and years.

So what. You don't like relitivly vauge patents. 75% of them in existence are vauge.

It's fine to claim prior art, but it really isn't a big deal unless they try actually try to enforce it, which is unlikely with the massive amount of current uses. And large possibility for negative press with little relitive gain.

Obligatory link to the patent in question (5, Informative)

bjk4 (885) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573480)

Patent 5,379,129 [uspto.gov]

CLick the "Image" button to see the lovely diagrams. There are a few items this patent does NOT cover, as explicitely mentioned in the text. This patent does not cover additional channel information, like alpha channels. It only covers a seperate, full color, mask image that is used to mask off the source image.

I have a few questions:
  • The patent mentions that a black pixel codes for source image. Does this mean that if I decide the opposite, I can avoid royalties?
  • The patent mentions it uses full color mask images. Is a greyscale or black + white image considered a full color image?


If the patent does not cover greyscale images, then not all sanity is lost!

-B

Consider this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2573481)

If Microsoft were doing the same thing, you'd all be saying

"nnoooooo!!! eeevvvilll!!!!!! lllli i nn nuo00x00x r0r00lzlzzjz 0 0000 !!!!!"

Prior Art (5, Informative)

corebreech (469871) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573495)

From the Second Edition of "Principles of Interactive Computer Graphics", by William M. Newman published by McGraw-Hill in 1979:

We find on page 222 the pseudocode for the WriteColor procedure:

procedure WriteColor(var ColorRaster: raster; x, y: integer);
var i, j: integer;
begin
for j := ColorRaster.ymin to ColorRaster.ymax - 1 do
for i := ColorRaster.xmin to ColorRaster.xmax - 1 do
if GetPixel(ColorRaster, i, j) <> transparent then
SetPixel(FrameBuffer, x+i, y+j, GetPixel(ColorRaster, i, j))
end;

And there was a First Edition published in 1973, for all I know it's in there too.

BTW, there isn't anything Bill Atkinson did for Apple in QuickDraw that isn't spelled out in this book.

JPEG 2000 (1)

futakoma (533636) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573499)

What's the licensing like for JPEG 2000? I really hope that this format can piggy back on JPEG's success and be adopted soon. PNG is taking forever! Also, JPEG 2000 lossless mode compresses more than PNG, from the few images I've tested. I currently use PNG on all my websites, and visitors are always asking me why PNG and not GIF.

Alvy Ray Smith (3, Informative)

Pseudonym (62607) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573504)

The definitive reference on the history of alpha is Alvy Ray Smith's technical memo [alvyray.com] from 1995. It seems pretty clear that he co-invented the technique with Ed Catmull as a solution to a problem that Catmull was having with his sub-pixel hidden surface algorithm.

The earliest dated documentation on his alpha channel code is January 13, 1978, although it was probably written the previous December. See footnote 4, page 6 of the memo for details.

BS. I did this shit with AT&T software in 1988 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2573508)

Using the TARGA16 adaptor and TIPS imaging software. Alpha channel blending and compositing.
The works.

Give me a break these idiots.

Isn't the whole point of patents to make money ? (-1, Troll)

Anton Anatopopov (529711) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573511)

As I understand it from reading the book Protecting your #1 Asset : Creating Fortunes from Your Ideas : An Intellectual Property Handbook [amazon.com] , the purpose of patents is to allow the invetor to exploit his idea, in which he may have invested significant amounts of money.

It seems un-American, bordering on the Communist to suggest that Apple should simply give away their intellectual property.

You would not expect them to give away their computers, since they would go bankrupt overnight. Why should intellectual property be any different ?

The anti capitalism of slashdot is becoming very tiresome.

Re:Isn't the whole point of patents to make money (3, Insightful)

dvdeug (5033) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573557)

> It seems un-American, bordering on the Communist to suggest that Apple should simply give away their intellectual property.

Ignoring the whole "give away" and "intellectual property" parts of it, I'll point out that they aren't being asked to give away anything. They're being asked to stop trying to take something that doesn't belong to them. The idea was not their's, nor was it or its use exclusive to them. The purpose of patents was to encourage ideas, not direct money to big buisness who can afford to file dozens of supirious patents.

I don't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2573528)

I looked at the patent in question, and it clearly states that bitmap masks and even alpha channel masks have been used before (see paragraph 5 under "Description"). What they appear to be claiming a patent for is multi-color masks, which is more or less using a separate alpha mask for each of the R, G, and B components (or C, Y, and M; or whatever colorspace is in use). Does PNG really use an RGB alpha channel? I thought its alpha was just a simple grayscale.

And is using 3 per-channel transparency masks really that much different from using 1 mask for all 3 channels? I thought patents were supposed to be for new inventions, not alternative ways to use old inventions.

DDJ (1)

shlong (121504) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573540)

I seem to remember an article in Doctor Dobb's Journal from this era that described PNG. It was in the graphics issue, which is published in the summer. I can't remember if it was 1992, 1992, or 1993 though.

Did anyone post *outside* slashdot? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2573542)

So, I see a lot of claims for prior art here. As I don't
have the information, I don't know about correctness, but
then again I don't doubt at all, but: did anyone here
post their information on those pieces of prior art
anywhere else than slashdot?

A lot of good you've done, if slashdot was your
only place...

hmmm ... (1)

dvNull (235982) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573555)

Is this why Quicktime likes to be the default viewer for png images when installed on Windows ?

No big deal (2)

bryan1945 (301828) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573558)

If one even assumed this was true....

So what, really? PNG was supposed to replace GIF because (Unisys?) was going to uphold patents on GIF, but... never happened because it all blew over.

Has anyone even seen a PNG file online? I think I ran across a grand total of 1. Of course there could have been inline graphics that I didn't notice, but really?

And IF Apple tried to enforce this, and PNG was widely used, what would they do? Get on Google and start at website 1 and go through 2,000,000 sequentially?

Methinks that someone is blowing this out of proportion while misreading in the first place.

Apple's 10-K (3, Interesting)

Dr. Awktagon (233360) | more than 12 years ago | (#2573561)

I'm an Apple shareholder, and one fine day on the shitter I was reading their 10-K (annual SEC filing), and noticed this interesting quote on page 6 [ccbn.com] , under "PATENTS, TRADEMARKS, COPYRIGHTS AND LICENSES":

The Company currently holds rights to patents and copyrights relating to certain aspects of its computer systems, peripheral systems, and software. [...] Although the Company believes the ownership of such patents, copyrights, and trademarks is an important factor in its business and that its success does depend in part on the ownership thereof, the Company relies primarily on the innovative skills, technical competence, and marketing abilities of its personnel.

I thought that was an interesting thing to write, I wonder what, say, Amazon or Microsoft say in their filings about patents?

If anything comes of this patent (I doubt anything will, despite the sensationalist /. headline), you can use that in your letters to Apple or something.

Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2573579)

Is there anything that software patents do to advance our society? In other words, is there anything that we as world citizens gain from software patents? Why do they exist? Should we be working to eliminate *all* software patents, or just the ones we don't like?
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