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New Nokia Phone

CmdrTaco posted more than 12 years ago | from the we-never-get-cool-phones-here dept.

Technology 248

John writes: "infoSync has posted the official information about the two new Nokia phones which is going to be unveiled today. Quote: 'The Nokia 7650 will be the world's first 2.5G Symbian OS mobile phone with advanced messaging and imaging capabilities ...' It looks like ICQ on the mobile phone is closer than ever!" Includes a built-in camera and various comments about this not coming to North America anytime soon.

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new gay nokia phone (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2584966)

fuck slashdot, what what

first fucking post

Re:new gay nokia phone (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2584982)

and if i ever meet you i will EAT YOUR PUSSY

WTF? (-1)

Shitsack Comments (256887) | more than 12 years ago | (#2584971)

When did this turn into "News for MBA's"?

W00t (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2584975)

I got head yesterday.

Re:W00t (-1)

Shitsack Comments (256887) | more than 12 years ago | (#2584998)

I didn't know you lived anywhere near Malda.

Re:W00t (-1)

anal-johnson (528597) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585028)

so did i, but it was from a girl.

Symbian != Sybian :) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2584977)

The Sybian [sybian.com]

is an different kind of option for the phone all together

Goddamn daylight savings time!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2585024)

IF&nbsp I&nbsp EVER&nbsp MEEPT&nbsp BEN&nbsp FUCKING&nbsp FRANKLIN,&nbsp I&nbsp WILL&nbsp KICK&nbsp HIS&nbsp G*AT!!!!&nbsp


Really, I'm serious.

Very slick (1)

blumpy (84889) | more than 12 years ago | (#2584985)

This looks very slick, however it isn't available for 1900mhz (north american gsm) yet. For some darn reason they always do that, North American GSM seems to be low priority for GSM phone builders.

Re:Very slick (2)

ahde (95143) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585005)

there is no per minute charge for local calls in america

Re:Very slick (1)

easter1916 (452058) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585057)

And your point is?

Re:Very slick (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2585098)

I'm not sure. Maybe he means "there are no per minute charges mainly because the North American mobile infastructure sucks"?

Trust me, I work in the mobile telecoms sector, and the US infastructure sucks. South Africa has a better GSM network than any state in the US could hope to have.

Re:Very slick (1)

kuyttendaele (115164) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585228)

Rest of the World vs USA : 1-0

Re:Very slick (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2585019)

They are an european company. Understandable why they focus on european GSM first, I think.

Marv

Re:Very slick (2, Insightful)

easter1916 (452058) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585036)

Simple answer - number of subscribers to the different standards. "Regular" GSM is used throughout Europe, the Middle East, the Orient, etc. North American GSM has a tiny installed base. Standardize with the rest of us and you can use these goodies too.

Re:Very slick (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2585416)

And while your at it, learn how to use the metric system and 24h clocks. Oh, and at least a second language :)

Re:Very slick (2)

forgoil (104808) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585071)

The deals on phones are not as good in the states, and Nokia/Ericsson makes money on selling the phones, not on few phones with expensive deals. Or rather they do, but that is when they sell basestations etc, which I imagine they don't sell much of in North America.

GSM is completely superior to CDMA and I would hope people will start buying more GSM1900 phones, then Nokia/Ericsson will sell their newest phones in North America as well. There isn't much of a problem to get it working with 1900 anyways.

Re:Very slick (5, Informative)

RedX (71326) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585182)

For some darn reason they always do that, North American GSM seems to be low priority for GSM phone builders.

Perhaps because the marketshare for GSM in the US is so far very low? Because CDMA and TDMA carriers currently offer vastly larger coverage areas than their GSM rivals, and there are plenty of CDMA and TDMA handsets that also offer analog roaming, GSM service is limited to pretty much only people that will be staying in and traveling between large metro areas. This will hopefully start to change once AT&T gets further along with their national GSM roll-out [pdabuzz.com] this should start to change. Of course, we start to get into a chicken vs. egg argument when you consider that more people (definitely me) would jump on the GSM bandwagon if some of these sweet Nokia handsets were available in the US.

wibble (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2584992)

wibble! phish

phish are gay (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2585006)

seriously, you're not going to get very fucking far listening to that Grateful Dead wannabe crap. try some Krisiun or Celtic Frost and see how you like it.

Geez (1)

WD_40 (156877) | more than 12 years ago | (#2584993)

I remember when my 5120 was the hot shit, now they're giving them away.

ICQphone .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2585004)

ICQ on the Matrix phone?
Woo! .. Long live the AOL/Time Warner Empire

Re:ICQphone .. (0)

Computer suck! (455504) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585218)

Could do quite easly, writing a WAP and/or SMS - ICQ gateway should be pritty ez.

Oh, you said "Symbian"! (5, Funny)

Deagol (323173) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585012)

As I skimmed the headline, I first thought it said "sybian". My next thought was, " Great -- I'll by my wife one of these."

Next, I re-read and thought it said "simian", and I thought, "whoah -- a phone for my spider monkey!"

Damn, what a boring phone...

Re:Oh, you said "Symbian"! (2, Informative)

kilgore_47 (262118) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585078)

It looks like ICQ on the mobile phone is closer than ever!

I don't know about ICQ, but AIM is already available on some sprint phones. It already works in North America, too!

Re:Oh, you said "Symbian"! (-1, Troll)

Malachi (5716) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585100)

I wish I had some points! hahaha
This made me LAAAAUGH AND LAUGH...

Rock on..

-M

Ugh. (-1, Flamebait)

Wakko Warner (324) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585016)

Is Slashdot becoming "New Product Announcements Dot Com" or something? When American Standard releases a new toilet, are we gonna hear about it here first? Frankly, it seems pretty apt; that's where this site seems to be headed.

- A.P.

Re:Ugh. (2)

Thomas Charron (1485) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585032)

Shesh.. 'News for Nerds'.. Or do you forget. 8-) It's a darned cool looking phone, so hence, gets 'space'.

Re:Ugh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2585058)

When American Standard releases a new toilet, are we gonna hear about it here first?

Yes, followed by a lengthy flamewar over "American Standard vs. Kohler"!

Re:Ugh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2585073)

Then we could officially change the site slogan to News for Turds. Stuff that Splatters.

Ohhhhh, taste the irony! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2585110)

The phrase "American Standard" used in a discussion aboout GSM Mobile Phones! Aha!

Re:Ugh. (5, Funny)

WinstonSmith (69165) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585144)

When American Standard releases a new toilet, are we gonna hear about it here first?

Probably not. I submitted this [americanstandard-us.com] way back in April, but it was rejected.

Re:Ugh. (0, Offtopic)

varaani (77889) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585417)

When American Standard releases a new toilet, are we gonna hear about it here first?

If it has an integrated web camera, then yes.
*ducks*

ICQ -- not new (5, Insightful)

TheTomcat (53158) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585018)

This is not meant as a troll, but:
I've been able to ICQ to/from my GSM handset (as SMS) for ~1 year now.

More info here [icq.com] .

Apparently, one of our local CDMA carriers (Tellus) is offering AIM on their phones, as well..

ya but. (3, Insightful)

jon_c (100593) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585198)

What's the point? Trying to type an email on my nokia is impossible, unless these people come up with a better way to input text it really doesn't make since on a cellphone.

Currently the system is to type each letter by pressing cycling through the number keys, i.e. press '1' for 'A', 'B', 'C' etc.. Nokia does feature a auto-complete feature which might be handy, but I haven't had the motivation to make any use out of it.

-Jon

Re:ya but. (4, Insightful)

jandrese (485) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585280)

Hmm, you both complained about the tediousness of entering text on your phone and your lack of motivation to use the autocomplete in the same sentence. Isn't the autocomplete supposed to make the text entry on the phone less tedious? What am I missing here?

Re:ya but. (1)

stu72 (96650) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585295)

Newsflash: this is not going to be solved anytime soon by anything other than a full keyboard, and nobody wants that on their phone.

The "auto-complete" is called predictive text and it works very well. It almost always gets the right word, and fixing its mistakes (1 in 20 perhaps) just requires you to press * to cycle through the options.

It works so good, I wonder why we bother with laptop keyboards/pen interfaces etc etc.

Re:ya but. (0)

Computer suck! (455504) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585335)

You want a full keyboard, try
Ericsson R380e or the
Nokia 9110.

Hey mr presto, full keyboards.

Also, you could use a SMS pack (comes with Psion devices) for you PDA.

Or Ericsson sell a keyboard that plugs into your phone.

The point is... (2, Informative)

barnaclebarnes (85340) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585352)

That over 1 billion text messages were sent in the UK alone last month. txt'ing is _the_ way to communicate for todays youth culture. Even us oldies in their late 20's send text messages on a regular basis. Looking through my phone I sent 12 messages this weekend. Organising places to meet people, drunken banter from the pub, etc. It is great, no need to talk to the person and it is normally cheaper than calling during peak times.

Also Bt Cellnet here in the UK has just signed a deal with msn (and soon yahoo!) where there will be seemless IM between phones and msn/yahoo, including full presence detection. (With the current ICQ setup you have to send the message to the phone, not just the persons icq account).

PS: When will the US just actually understand the importance of text messaging in todays youth culture?????

Re:The point is... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2585419)

> PS: When will the US just actually understand the importance of text messaging in todays youth culture?????

That's like saying "When will Ethiopian children understand the importance of not dying from malnutrition?????"

Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda, dead at 28 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2585041)

I just heard some sad news on the radio -- famous queerbait Rob Malda was found dead in his Holland home this morning. The details were a bit hazy, but it seems that he drowned in jizz while Taco Snotting his friend Timothy. I'm sure everyone in the /. community will miss him -- even if you didn't enjoy his queer antics and boring ass website, there's no denying his contributions to the homosesual cultural development, particularly in the areas of Taco snotting. Truly an American icon.

i am imagining the taste of drowning in semen (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2585081)

and it is not pretty.

Drat, no 1900MHz support (4, Interesting)

infiniti99 (219973) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585045)

One of the nice things about the GSM network is that the phone is separated from the account. Thus it doesn't matter if the phone is sold here as long as it works here. You could just order it from overseas and assimilate it with your SIM chip. The Nokia 7650 phone seems to be tightly packed with just about everything else, too bad they missed 1900MHz support. That foils everything.

Btw, I have a theory about the existence of the Nokia 8890. Nokia realized their non-USA customers probably wanted to travel to the USA, not that they wanted to deliver the USA a cool phone. That's probably the only reason we have it.

Anxiously awaiting the 9290 [nokia.com] .

Re:Drat, no 1900MHz support (1)

Cyclone66 (217347) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585083)

Unfortunatly if you buy the phone from your service provider it's often locked to that service provider. At least that's the case with Fido in Canada. (An actual GSM network)

Re:Drat, no 1900MHz support (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2585202)

The phone is locked only if the price is subsidized. Your provider certainly doesn't want to pay for phone used in competitors' network.

OTOH, if you want to be really nasty, you can unlock the phone (or find someone to unlock it for you).

Im on mobile phones. (1)

lonely (32990) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585064)


Well if you are looking for IM on phones, then there is nothing like using Yahoo IM over WAP.

Coupled with my free WAP tarrif... gives me somebody to talk to when I am taking the bus into work.....

Sigh... (4, Insightful)

Asahi Super Dry (531752) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585066)

I know there are restrictions on cell phone design here in the US (eg sparser grid-->more powerful transmitter needed-->bulky phones), but I still get jealous when I see the new European and Japanese phones that are coming out. And for god's sake why doesn't anyone use text messaging here? Once you get some practice typing on the keypad it's not as big a hassle as you might think, and quite convenient.

Re:Sigh... (1)

The Variable Man (116365) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585130)

Especially with T9 [t9.com] ...

Re:Sigh... (0)

Computer suck! (455504) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585238)

it it makes you feel better, we Europens get jealous with the Japanese phones...

Even cooler fone from Nokia for SMS (3, Informative)

rainTown (536725) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585317)

Nokia came out with an even cooler phone for SMS a few weeks ago, the 5510. It has a full char set keyboard... and an MP3 player... no dig cam though... info here: http://www.nokia.com/phones/5510/index.html

Arghhhhh! (3, Insightful)

uslinux.net (152591) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585075)

Does everything in the world need to be "internet accessible" or "web-enabled"?!?!?

How long before phones start getting hacked or spread MS LookOut worms? How long before phone spamming becomes the norm?

*Sigh* I want the web for convenience. I want to web to make my life easier. I don't need the "cool" factor of every internet-capable device. I don't need my refrigerator ordering food for me, and I certainly don't need IRC on my phone. Frankly, I find it easier to CALL someone rather than attempt to type on a frickin' phone (or follow an IRC session with 50 people on one of those little phone LCDs). But I digress...

Am I the *only* person who feels this way?

-1 Flamebait (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2585093)

mod down, goat sex above

Re:Arghhhhh! (4, Funny)

yatest5 (455123) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585111)

I heard a rumour that you don't actually *have* to buy these new internet devices - there's a recent law passed that means you can just spend your own money on what you want.

Surely your refrigerator ordering food for you does make your life easier - not that geeks need food - *real* geeks live off of nicotine and caffeine ;-)!!

Re:Arghhhhh! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2585204)

Linux is the greatest, and microsoft suck!

(Sorry, this makes half the other \. comments redundant ;-) )


Spot the contradiction. There's a prize for the first to notice it.

Re:Arghhhhh! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2585234)

go on then, smart arse

Re:Arghhhhh! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2585450)

OK....

Linux is the greatest, and microsoft suck!

The poster slags off M$ and pledges his loyalty to Linux

(Sorry, this makes half the other \. comments redundant ;-) )

The poster then refers to Slashdot as \. not /., backslash being the one they use in DOS/Windows. An obvious Windows imposter!

Re:Arghhhhh! (1)

baddestasset (258416) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585243)

I'm surprised you guys don't have the 92xx yet. Its been out here for a loong time now.

Watch out though they are much more cool than they are terribly useful. Thery are too big and heavy and i get conscious that i'm carrying around (another?) 600+ quid (that's a thousand bucks to those who can't count :-) device in my pocket to bump into table corners with.

It sometimes annoys me i spent all this money on one, but to be at the bar with a pint when i get a support call or my whinging boss telling me that something has stopped running or needs to be brought up, and just simply open the phone, telnet in on a qwerty keyboard, run a quick nohup job, shut the phone.. "yeah, it's fixed now", RULES.

Re:Arghhhhh! (2, Funny)

yatest5 (455123) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585258)

but to be at the bar with a pint when i get a support call or my whinging boss telling me that something has stopped running or needs to be brought up, and just simply open the phone, telnet in on a qwerty keyboard, run a quick nohup job, shut the phone.. "yeah, it's fixed now", RULES.

nah, saying 'I only have a Motorola Timeport, so I'm staying here and getting drunk - suck my cheesy boner' RULES...

Re:Arghhhhh! (1)

yatest5 (455123) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585373)

Yeah, on a (slightly) more serious note - Nokia advertise the 9210 with 'you can be at work before you're there' - personally, that's the last thing I want!!

However, they also advertise it with suits on half-pipes, so there you go...

Re:Arghhhhh! (1)

baddestasset (258416) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585421)

For real. I hate all that. The last place I wanna be when I'm not at work is at work.

I've talked about this with some of the product guys at companies such as Nokia and Ericsson and the like, and the problem is that the only people (of any significant number) that can afford to buy these phones is businesses who will give them to their reps, so they need to push them to the people who buy them, not the people who use them.

I involved in mobile gaming and entertainment and this really pisses us off. These guys want your content but are almost scared to have it as they may not be seen to have a "serious" enough product.

One of the bug hardware guys was thinking about putting out a "business" version of their new whizzy phone so that companies would be happy to buy them and then flood the market with details on how to flash it back to the "fun" version. The point being that the device had been bought so now they can sell content to the big reps who want games to play when they are sat on trains and planes for hours at a time.

Fantastico. Made Me Laugh.

Re:Arghhhhh! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2585430)

ahhhhh, but can you put linux on it? Imagine a beowulf cluster of THOSE!!

Re:Arghhhhh! (5, Insightful)

GauteL (29207) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585158)

Not at all... but why are you complaining like this? This isn't even insightful, it is just a typical ranting.

You can actually buy a completely different phone if you want to, you know that right?

People have different usage-patterns, and thus there are lots and lots of different phones on the market. If you feel you belong to a group that are not covered, I suggest you write a letter to the phone-makers and argue why you think it would be benificial to both you and them to create "your dream phone".

Re:Arghhhhh! (3, Informative)

voop (33465) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585185)

How long before phones start getting hacked or spread MS LookOut worms? How long before phone spamming becomes the norm?

Actually, this is happening allready. In France, Bouyges Telecom (a large tele operator) were frequently spamming my mobile with adds from different companies (e.g. Pizza Hut). It turned out to be an "opt-out" thing that they do to all new customers. After calling their customer service (and waiting a periode of 3 weeks "for technical reasons" - yeah, right!) the spamming stopped.

What, in reality, was more annoying was that they also spammed my voice mail in the same way: the phone would indicate a message, I'd dial (and pay the per minute charge) to listen, only to find that it was yet another piece of spam ("This week at Pizza Hut, you can get...."). Again, it was possible to "opt out".

It's worth noticing, that this was not on some "you get it cheap if you accept spam" subscription, but rather on their "pro" subscription....

Re:Arghhhhh! (0)

Computer suck! (455504) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585356)

there are opt-in ones in the uk, try MrAddGood.co.uk

Re:Arghhhhh! (2)

Malc (1751) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585236)

I don't want the web on my mobile phone... but I do want it to be of use with a modem for my laptop.

Re:Arghhhhh! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2585279)

try to look at the bigger picture here:

I don't need my refrigerator ordering food for me


how about for someone that lives alone and is seriously disabled. having the fridge send out orders for your new milk when your old milk goes bad would be pretty nice.

I find it easier to CALL someone rather than attempt to type on a frickin' phone


tell that to my deaf neighbor. the cell phone revolution hasn't helped her very much. maybe within 10 years, we'll have phones that display the text of the conversation on the screen.

gadgets like these usually have a "trickle down" effect, where the 1st generation is meant for one market, but finds a niche in other areas after a period of time

Re:Arghhhhh! (0, Offtopic)

cpt kangarooski (3773) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585374)

If you've got old milk goin' bad, you sure as hell don't need more milk -- you're clearly not drinking it.

There are definately some nice things about that kind of automation, I agree. But my needs are pretty different than what some damn marketers think they are. My need for an advertising-free life, for example, seems to escape them time and again. (i.e. no ads, for anything, ever, for any reason, no exceptions. It just doesn't sink in with so many people, can't imagine why.)

Free-sklyarov-uk (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2585077)

dudes how is it that i have to read uk news to find breaking news in the Audio areas?

anyway what was this topic about?

http://uk.eurorights.org/lists/ukcdr/2001-Novemb er /001068.html

So whats this mean? nokia communicators in usa? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2585096)

In the usa we cannot purchase Nokia communicators.

Not sure why, they keep saying its some air wave issue, however i know its possible to make Nokia communicators work on Old analog cell systems.

So given that, why the delay in shipping?

That is the one (1)

jester-tx (170962) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585099)

I didn't see when if and it would be available in the US. It certainly seems like the integration of services I've really been holding out for in a device. Now if they could only shrink it down to wristwatch size....

ICQ on mobile (2, Informative)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585109)

Considering how *unreliable* ICQ has become, I frankly doubt that this would have any use. Honestly since some time it has become impossible to communicate with people running newer versions of ICQ (still using 99b-Rev A here, or LICQ).
Besides, I know it's possible to do ICQ on handhelds for a long time. I have a Psion and there is an ICQ client available. It is paying so I never bothered. (Use google to find it) I've used Opera on my Psion for the sake of it and that works great, if this is some kind of integrated Phone/Psion I could get interesed (including speadsheet, Contacts, Word, Jotter,...) I always have looked down on Palm owners, because the Psion in it's many incarnations is really superior IMHO. Too bad Psion stopped making hardware.
As for Nokia hardware, I alway found them "feeling" cheap, more like toys...Give me a good Siemens anyday.

Re:ICQ on mobile (2, Informative)

Computer suck! (455504) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585304)

I'm morning the demise of Psion hardware too. I think we should set up a support group...

The Nokia 91XX and 7650 are EPOC^W Symbian based devices[1], so is there nearst your going to get to a Psion for a while... :(

Also Ericsson have a device based on Symbain, the Ericsson R380e.

[1] I'm sure you know this, but I bet there are plent of people on this forum that don't, EPOC is the OS that powers the Psion based device. EPOC has now been renamed to Symbian, targeted at phones and no longer a part of Psion (thou. Psion are it's begest share holders, others inc. Nokia, Ericsson, Intel, Kenwood, Motorola, Panasonic, Sanyo, Sony and Siemens[2].

[2] I think, you can check it on there web site.

http://www.symbian.com
http://www.psion.com
http://www.sonyericssonmobile.com/

Includes a built-in camera? (5, Funny)

iBod (534920) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585125)

How the hell am I supposed to lie to my wife about my whereabouts now?

It was bad enough having to do 'busy office', 'stuck in traffic' and 'on the train' sound effects - and now this!

Re:Includes a built-in camera? (2)

Thornae (53316) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585229)

How the hell am I supposed to lie to my wife about my whereabouts now?

It was bad enough having to do 'busy office', 'stuck in traffic' and 'on the train' sound effects - and now this!



Easy: sure, it's got MMS (like SMS, only with an M!) - but you can save the requisite bits of multimedia, and use them to strengthen your excuse. Even better, with WAP, you can download them as needed! Just imagine it - an online, WAP- (and other buzzword)-enabled database of excuses for spouses on the road... You could even bookmark your favourites: "Sorry, honey I'm <bip beep bip> stuck in traffic - see?"

...gee, I'm glad my s.o. doesn't read slashdot. (=

Re:Includes a built-in camera? (1)

iBod (534920) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585316)

Yeah, that would be handy, but I fear modile phone technology is bound to thwart all errant spouses in the end.

The next thing you know, phones will come with built-in GPS and will report your exact position to your significant other in real-time.

Re:Includes a built-in camera? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2585290)

Easy. It can only transmit still images, not video. You keep a store of photos of 'innocent locations'. You can then email your wife a photo of your 'current location', claiming it's fresh. Remember to delete that photo, or you'll get found out.

video fone (0, Offtopic)

perdida (251676) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585132)

I don't think we want to make video fones cheap and plentiful in the world.

The U.S. bombed Al-Jazeera in Kabul so the uninformed masses wouldn't get upset when the Northern Alliance, which is nasty but doesn't harbor terrorists at least, sacked Kabul, murdered, raped and pillaged.

Al-Jazeera used mobile videophones to broadcast anyway, removing the utility of our $2 million bomb.

At least their phones cost thousands of dollars.

Cheap, easily obtained, anonymous videophones by Nokia would remove any governmental ability to block out journalistic broadcast from an area for national security purposes.

We should regulate, register or restrict video telephony to address the government's need to do this.

one more step towards total integration (3, Interesting)

ariehk (215517) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585133)

In the last 2-3 years or so, all our lines are becoming blurred, and it't useful just to stop and look at how much has changed so quickly.

Just 7 years ago very few people had a moblie phone, they were huge bricks with a battery life of 20 minutes. The digital camera was unheard of, the internet was just entering the mainstream (everyone said it would never catch on), and nobody had a CD writer.

Now we all have our digicam-watches, TiVos, DVD/TV/sound system players/recorders, Internet fridges (order food online as you use it), and miblie phones that can do pretty much enything you want except act as a sextoy [watch this space!].

The boundries between different technologies are becoming nonexistent. Different technologies are more cross-compatible. We are rapidly acheiving a situation where everything can talk to everything else.

As this trend increases, the total personal device (phone/pc/watch/camera/whatever) will evolve. It will do everything, go everywhere with you. It will interact with all the other devices in your life, making things easier and more personal. The electronic walls will change shade as you go into a public buliding, billboards will only advertise things you want. It'll be a better world.

These phones are a step in that direction. Which is, IMHO, very cool.

Re:one more step towards total integration (2)

King Of Chat (469438) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585189)

...pretty much enything you want except act as a sextoy

Too late [theregister.co.uk]

Re:one more step towards total integration (2, Insightful)

Jus'n (85372) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585252)

Just 7 years ago very few people had a moblie phone, they were huge bricks with a battery life of 20 minutes.
Err.. I think you mean 17 years ago. I actually still have my Dad's first cell-phone. A car-mounted behemoth about the size of a metal Aladdin lunchbox (the kind with the thermos inside). You could open up the trunk and disconnect it from the car and haul it around with you if you wanted, but the built-in antenna wasn't so good. Back when Cellular One was the only carrier around, and there was no such thing as "free minutes".
Now we all have our digicam-watches, TiVos, DVD/TV/sound system players/recorders, Internet fridges (order food online as you use it), and miblie
[sic] phones that can do pretty much enything you want except act as a sextoy [watch this space!].Err... I don't know anyone with a TiVo, DVD/TV/sound system player/recorder, or internet fridge. Where do you live, Dot-Com-Boom-Fantasyland?
As this trend increases, the total personal device (phone/pc/watch/camera/whatever) will evolve. It will do everything, go everywhere with you. It will interact with all the other devices in your life, making things easier and more personal. The electronic walls will change shade as you go into a public buliding, billboards will only advertise things you want. It'll be a better world
So, to you, a world where your every taste, preference, and spending habit, not to mention exact location, is recorded, tracked, and sold to every street-corner spammer is a "better world"? Okay, we'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you're not a wanted felon, you're not into any "subversive" pastimes, and you'll never do anything the PTB will consider dangerous to the public morality. You're a good little subject, but such invasion of privacy can still be extremely inconvenient or dangerous. Imagine walking to a lunch interview with your prospective new employer when the side of the restaurant lights up with an ad for your favorite head shop. Imagine what your mom would think when you're [insert non-offensive holiday here] shopping with her and an ad pops up with your name on it, touting your favorite foot-fetish porn rag. You're out with your buds getting sauced, and your secret Pokemon or Britney Spears addiction is blasted across the billboards. You're angling for a raise, but your boss reconsiders when he sees not a budget motel ad on your office wall, but directed advertising telling you that Pergo now makes laminate flooring for your 100m yacht (hers is only 75m). Do you think the advertisers would let you "turn off" such a service?

No, I'd rather not live in such a world, thank you.

Re:one more step towards total integration (2)

Lysander Luddite (64349) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585268)

"As this trend increases, the total personal device (phone/pc/watch/camera/whatever) will evolve. It will do everything, go everywhere with you. It will interact with all the other devices in your life, making things easier and more personal. The electronic walls will change shade as you go into a public buliding, billboards will only advertise things you want. It'll be a better world."

Darn it, I want a *life* not a *lifestyle*. Why do the proponents of these gadgets say it will make my life easier? All it does is invade my personal space even more. Personalized ads don't help me, I want an ad-free space for crying out loud.

Now if I had a portable Library of Congress with all of its contents freely available (no advetising please) and I could carry it around in a legal size container, then I'd be happy.

To make this topical, I still won't willingly buy a portable phone. Having people SMS me doesn't seem a benefit that would change my mind.

Nokia and Symbian (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2585149)

Nokia 7650 Home Page [nokia.com] (with specs, etc.)

Symbian Press Release [symbian.com]

ICQ? (5, Funny)

saintlupus (227599) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585169)

It looks like ICQ on the mobile phone is closer than ever!

Great! Now I can use my mobile phone to get in touch with people!

Uh...

--saint

Re:ICQ? (2)

SCHecklerX (229973) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585464)

Great! Now I can use my mobile phone to get in touch with people!

Uh...

You beat me to it :) Really. If I even *had* a mobile phone (I don't) and really wanted to get in touch with somebody, I'd, uh, call them?

I see cute little games on all of these things these days. Make them networkable games, and that *might* be a very cool addition. Wireless chess with the person I went to a movie with while waiting for the show to start would be pretty spiffy. Checking my home mail account would be ok too...but only if there is an open standard to do this. My vision is I'd probably just use a wireless pager and have my server forward just the headers to me.

So far, I still have no compelling reason to even own any of these devices, so it's a moot point for me for now anyway. Any time I'd really need one (calling 911 b/c I busted my damned leg out on the trail somewhere), cell phones don't work in that area anyway.

wtf? article submission rejected and bad info (1)

ardiri (245358) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585192)

2001-11-19 14:42:03 Nokia: the killer phone! (articles,news) (rejected)

i posted this article just as the infosync.no webmaster told me about the story - only to have it rejected (still pissed about my anti-quake comment)? :P however, that aside.. this is about ONE phone.. not TWO.. the 7650 is being announced yes, but, its just so natural for nokia to release a USA varient to, but, this was not announced on infosync's website. i dunno, reject a valid article and then reword it incorrectly. my submission was written and then verified via the infosync.no author (i dont like posting lies).

so much for kharma ;)

Re:wtf? [offtopic] (1)

ardiri (245358) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585207)

guess John posted it before me and mis-read the article :) oh well.. until next time *g* it happens :) maybe CmdrTaco should have verified the info by actually reading the article :)

Java and next gen (3, Interesting)

MosesJones (55544) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585200)


The 9210 communicator, runs the Symbian OS, Java and is generally absolutely brilliant. The only issue with it is size, which this phone addresses.

These next generation mobile devices are based around common standards and architectures, SymbianOS , Java & GSM. No Redmond anywhere to be found. Symbian is a solid proper RTOS unlike the PalmOS or WinCE. Consumer devices need to be reliable, robust and pre-emptible.

Neat! And now the FCC can regulate the Net! (2)

ballpeen (524818) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585201)

Hmmm, ICQ PLUS video imaging...? Sounds kind of like "some sort of new-fangled video Instant Messaging product that it calls an Advanced IM-based High-Speed Service, or 'AIHS'", don't it?

THAT came from Michael Powell, son of Colin, then a commissioner (now the Bush-appointed Chairman) of the FCC, not recused from the AOLTW merger vote even though dad was on the AOL board with $13million in stock options. It's from Powell Jr's pre-release statement after the merger went through. AIHS? Read on...

"Despite the Majority's analysis [of AOL's IM] that purports to show a competitive problem in need of a remedy, the Majority (perhaps to its credit) does not mandate interoperability for current iterations of IM. ... When a regulatory agency has to make up its own acronym to describe a product or service it intends to regulate, one should be concerned. ("Behold the Wizard of AIHS.")

"The concern is the implication for Internet regulation. This Order makes clear that the FCC has jurisdiction to regulate virtually every Internet product, or service that facilitates communications under Title I of the Communications Act. But, imposing IM conditions under that authority ignores the fact that the Commission, for decades now, has expressly declined to regulate similar computer, data processing and information services for the very reason that such interference would undermine the energy and drive toward innovation that characterizes these highly competitive markets. Based on the letter of the statute, this may be correct and FCC involvement in Internet communications services may be inevitable. Yet, the implications of that step are not fully considered here and that is why I am most hesitant (indeed unwilling) to make such a substantial leap in the context of an adjudicatory proceeding, without greater notice and a fuller and broader opportunity to comment that would result from an inquiry or rulemaking proceeding."

So AOL's IM near monopoly was left intact through the merger, to protect the open innovation of the Net, UNTIL a new-fangled video Instant Messaging product arrived. Then, perhaps, it would be time to get with the Net regulations... Goodie!

(See Michael's scrapbook photos, read his statements: click The Chairman [fcc.gov] .}

You can write your own programmes (5, Insightful)

streetmentioner (28936) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585224)

I think the most important thing is that you can write your own programmes (in C++ or Java) for it. You can download the SDK from www.nokia.com [nokia.com] .

(Bias: I work for Symbian)

Wow that's beautiful (1)

2ms (232331) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585225)

How come whenever the Finns make something, it is always the best? Why do the rest of us even bother? I just realized that all my furniture is from there. The best phones are from there. All the best ships in the world are from there. The best architecture is from there. The best OS is from there. According to Porsche, the best car manufacturing is from there. The best snow tires are from there (forgot their name, but they're definately the best). The best gloves are from there (Sinisalo). The best snowboarders are from there. The best race car drivers (especially if you focus on rally) are from there. The best monitoring speakers are from there (Genelec). etc. Don't they have the lowest population density in the world too?

You obviously haven't heard... (1, Offtopic)

iBod (534920) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585348)

...their music!

Re:Wow that's beautiful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2585359)

The best race car drivers (especially if you focus on rally) are from there.

Not Formula 1 though, which is of course, what really counts ;)

Sadly that honour would have to go to Germany currently. Oh how I pine for the days of a good F1 driver from the UK...go Button!

You forgot... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2585404)

toilet paper

ICQ .. and so what ? (1)

dda (527064) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585232)

Can anybody tell me what ICQ will provide that a GSM hasn't already ? SMS should ne enough for the majority, and Nokia has already a chat system, as on the 3310 model [nokia.com] .
I don't see the point of having ICQ on it. ( to draw nice lines and curves ?? :))
I have to admit I haven't tried theit chat service ( which depends of the provider I suppose ), but I don't see why they need ICQ, if it's not for a marketing reason.

Re:ICQ .. and so what ? (1)

CaptnMArk (9003) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585461)

ICQ... they should add IRC to really melt down the networks

Great...GPRS rules! (1)

bamberg29 (240460) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585242)

I've been using GPRS (2.5 G) with my Motorola Timeport 260 for almost a year now here in Germany. I must say that it has really developed itself to something great. My WAP goes faster, I only pay for what I send/receive, and I can use IRDA to link with my Palm to check e-mail wirelessly, surf the net (using Palm web browsers...to an extent), and of course message.

Now this new Nokia really makes this whole process much easier, because using IRDA becomes a pain especially when your on the go and it is hard to keep Palm and phone pointing at each other.

AOL IM on Mobile (0, Troll)

Anenga (529854) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585256)

It looks like ICQ on the mobile phone is closer than ever! I saw a commercial about AOL IM being able to be used over a mobile. But it's only for Verison or something. I'd rather have AOL IM over ICQ any day.

Cool... but how about.. (1)

SGDarkKnight (253157) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585294)

The phone looks great, and the features sound impressive. I know I love my 8810 phone, but this 7650 looks like its going to smack everything down. The only thing I'm concerned about is the data transfer for the Video Phone. If its going to be a smooth transfer or if its going to be "the good 'ol slide show presentation" full of lag. Also, if its going to be a sperate service that you will need to suscribe to much like text messaging or email. All the extra features in the phones are really nice, but can easily cost a lot if you want all the "new toys" to work.

ICQ on mobile phones? (4, Funny)

bribecka (176328) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585337)

Wow, I really can't wait to have the newest beta of ICQ on my phone? Maybe they should wait until there is actually an official version...in say, 5-10 years?

Cell phones are annoying enough (1)

vulgrin (70725) | more than 12 years ago | (#2585371)

If I had ICQ on my cell phone, I'd just have to smash it. They are annoying and intrusive enough as it is. Might as well just chain me to my desk at work.
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