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XBox Netplay Already

CmdrTaco posted more than 12 years ago | from the surprises-nobody dept.

Games 303

ElectusUnum writes "Well, it's been a little while since the XBox was released and people are already playing online! The folks at xboxgw.com have written a program to create an ethernet bridge between xbox's over the net, fooling the xbox's into thinking they're on a LAN. 1v1 seems to create no major lag and reports have come in like this one that claim up to four xbox's work fine. It seems a DSL connection is preferred for hosting the server." I want an X-Box so bad, or as I would call it, a DOA3-Box.

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fp! (-1, Offtopic)

CmdrTuco (537085) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604137)

fp!

Re:fp! (-1)

Fucky the troll (528068) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604436)

Oh my god, I've got CUM in my COFFEE!!!!!

Funny you should say that (-1)

egg troll (515396) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604450)

I dated this girl who liked it when I did this. She also let me cum on her bra and then she'd wear it all day. Then there were the numerous times I'd bang her up the ass and afterwards she'd lay there, basking in the glow of my jizz dripping out of her. :)

WooHoo. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604139)


A box with an ethernet controller has been attached to the network.

Congratulations! Keep up the hard work!!

MOD PARENT UP! (-1, Offtopic)

egg troll (515396) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604170)

Why is this flamebait? Its quite an accurate summation of what has happened, mindless the pointless nerd-hyperbole. Really when you boil this story down, all that happened was someone got a box with an ethernet controller onto a network. This should be modded up as insightful!

C: A Dead Language? (-1)

egg troll (515396) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604145)

Gentlemen, the time has come for a serious discussion on whether or not to continue using C for serious programming projects. As I will explain, I feel that C needs to be retired, much the same way that Fortran, Cobol and Perl have been. Furthermore, allow me to be so bold as to suggest a superior replacement to this outdated language.

To give you a little background on this subject, I was recently asked to develop a client/server project on a Unix platform for a Fortune 500 company. While I've never coded in C before I have coded in VB for fifteen years, and in Java for over ten, I was stunned to see how poorly C fared compared to these two, more low-level languages.

C's biggest difficulty, as we all know, is the fact that it is by far one of the slowest languages in existance, especially when compared to more modern languages such as Java. Although the reasons for this are varied, the main reasons seems to be the way C requires a programmer to laboriously work with chunks of memory.

Requiring a programmer to manipulate blocks of memory is a tedious way to program. This was satisfactory back in the early days of coding, but then again, so were punchcards. By using what are called "pointers" a C programmer is basically requiring the computer to do three sets of work rather than one. The first time requires the computer to duplicate whatever is stored in the memory space "pointed to" by the pointer. The second time requires it to perform the needed operation on this space. Finally the computer must delete the duplicate set and set the values of the original accordingly.

Clearly this is a horrendous use of resources and the chief reason why C is so slow. When one looks at a more modern (and a more serious) programming language like Java or, even better, Visual Basic, that lacks such archaic coding styles, one will also note a serious speed increase over C.

So what does this mean for the programming community? I think clearly that C needs to be abandonded. There are two candidates that would be a suitable replacement for it. Those are Java and Visual Basic.

Having programmed in both for many years, I believe that VB has the edge. Not only is it slightly faster than Java its also much easier to code in. I found C to be confusing, frightening and intimidating with its non-GUI-based coding style. Furthermore, I like to see the source code of the projects I work with. Java's source seems to be under the monopolistic thumb of Sun much the way that GCC is obscured from us by the marketing people at the FSF. Microsoft's "shared source" under which Visual Basic is released definately seems to be the most fair and reasonable of all the licenses in existance, with none of the harsh restrictions of the BSD license. It also lacks the GPLs requirement that anything coded with its tools becomes property of the FSF.

I hope to see a switch to VB very soon. I've already spoken with various luminaries in the *nix coding world and most are eager to begin to transition. Having just gotten off the phone with Mr. Alan Cox, I can say that he is quite thrilled with the speed increases that will occur when the Linux kernel is completely rewritten in Visual Basic. Richard Stallman plans to support this, and hopes that the great Swede himself, Linus Torvaldis, won't object to renaming Linux to VB/Linux. Although not a C coder himself, I'm told that Slashdot's very own Admiral Taco will support this on his web site.

Thank you for your time. Happy coding.

Egg Troll

Java for over ten years ? Bullshit... (-1, Offtopic)

Dave21212 (256924) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604204)

I have coded in VB for fifteen years, and in Java for over ten, I was stunned to see how poorly C fared compared to these two, more low-level languages

...I don't think Java even existed prior to 1995 or so - and it was HotJava 1.0 then ? (anyone know the details here)

As for VB, it sucks. The overhead is massive, it's platform dependent, it's from the Evil empire... is this just Flamebait or are you Serious ?

Re:Java for over ten years ? Bullshit... (-1)

Wil Wheaton (532837) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604227)

YHBT. YHL. HAND.

And it should be obvious because his name is egg troll.

Re:Java for over ten years ? Bullshit... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604265)

Shut up Wesley!

--Jean Luc Picard

Re:Java for over ten years ? Bullshit... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604234)

I bet he is absolutely serious...

Of course I'm serious! (-1)

egg troll (515396) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604375)

What do you think I'm doing? Trolling?

Speaking of VB, I'm shocked and stunned that Linux hasn't ported this (and the rest of Visual Studio for that matter) over yet. How does it expect to be taken seriously as an OS when it lacks a serious suite of development tools? I guess if it wants to be left behind when .NET happens, that's fine. Time for Linux to get with the program.

Re:Of course I'm serious! (0, Offtopic)

gazbo (517111) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604427)

I can't believe you got a bite out of that one. The I'm a consultant for Fortune 500... Linux troll was pretty good, but this was way too obvious (though I liked the throwaway comment about Perl - if you'd left it at that, it'd have been a great troll)

I was going to suggest you tried something a bit more subtle, but Dave21212 seems to have proven me wrong.

Tip of the hat, sir.

Thank you! (-1)

egg troll (515396) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604437)

though I liked the throwaway comment about Perl - if you'd left it at that, it'd have been a great troll


Thats what makes it the best part. It should be clear to everyone that its a troll, but some dimbulbs still bite everytime. Thats why I haven't bothered to write a new one yet.


Cheers!

I shove my c0ck into the xbox! (-1, Offtopic)

peepoh (537606) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604151)

Somebody add to my story, please! I've got writer's constipation like you wouldn't believe! -peepoh Tuesday, November 6, 20001. Digging through some boxes in the Psychology lab where I work today, I discovered an ancient box full of syringes, heroine, and what lookedto be the Rorschact Test. Then I found instructions for an old experiment that had been carried out here in the lab during World War II.Apparently the experimenters hypothesized that if American soldiers were to shell the Germans with artillery shells containing a gaseous form ofheroine and then dropped Rorschacht test cards from airplanes, they'd all just fall down into heaps of twitching, high-as-a-kite junkies.Naturally, it all made little sense to me. But then hey, why the hell not try it? So after preparing a syringe with the heroine, I pulled down my pants and injected it directly into my penis. Hey, I'm no perv. There's a lot of blood vessels in there just waiting to carry the delicious drug straight to my brain. I guess I should have known better than to inject 60-year-old opioids into my privates, though, because before I could remove the needle I slumped over forward and continued to fall -- all the way INTO one of the Rorschacht Test cards. Then some oddly catchy electronic music kicked in. Where was it coming from? So began Stage 1-1 of my odyssey.

Re:I shove my c0ck into the xbox! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604238)

Then you died. The end.

Editors are supposed to correct "their--they're" (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604156)

I just don't believe it.
Do you do it on purpose?

this is not off topic you shitty moderator! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604285)

how in the fuck is this off topic? fuck you for being above the distinction between "their" and "there." You were raised by fucking germs.

fuck (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604159)

fuck you pussies

Re:fuck (-1)

Wil Wheaton (532837) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604178)

fuck off anonymous shitbag

You're not the only one. (1)

schmoli (105622) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604175)

I'm dying to give Halo a try, but after my short relationship with the PS2, I need to wait for CostCo [costco.com] to carry the Xbox, as they will take it back 6 months later when I'm bored with it.

-Toli

Re:You're not the only one. (2)

Zorkon (121860) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604196)

Halo is visually quite nice, and has a decent plot to it.

My main complaint is I finished it in two days, and I did *not* stay up all night to do it. I actually went outside, talked to people, and generally lived my life.

A little annoying, given the hype surrounding it.

Re:You're not the only one. (0)

schmoli (105622) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604211)

I know what you mean, same thing happened to me with Max Payne, that is exactly why I'm buying things at CostCo now. If a game or system does not 100% satisfy me with replay value, I'm taking it back, and they will be happy to give me a ps2, gamecube, or 200lb's of rib-eye.

-Toli

Re:You're not the only one. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604394)

Next time you head to the warehouse to pick up that two-pack of jerky and a case mountain dew, take a look at the sign on the side of the building -- it says:

Costco Wholesale

We are Costco, not CostCo, and certainly not Cost Co.

And thank you for making full use of our return system.

Re:You're not the only one. (2, Informative)

jhestyr (190398) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604229)

After beating halo on easy and a roommate beating the game on normal, I have to say In my opinion i'm pretty dissapointed with HALO. Yes it's very pretty and i like that there are checkpoints frequently, and it can be very difficult at times. It was missing gameplay though. I was dissapointed by the lack of weapons, mobs, unique level design and the ending was very lackluster.

SPOILER
No big final bosses, just a 4 minute crazy ride on the warthog through mobs of chittering Covenant and Flood. Surviving this gives you a short cinematic in which you fly off into the universe in search of a sequel.

so all in all, probably the smoothest and prettiest Console first person shooter i've played, but the hype and potential far succeded the end product.

other platforms (4, Informative)

cornflux (168139) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604180)

The XboxGW FAQ [xboxgw.com] is pretty interesting. Specifically:
Q: Do you need help writing code?
A: We could definately use help in the area of porting it to Other platforms. If you are interested in seeing the requirements for this, please send an e-mail to info@xboxgw.com [mailto] , letting us know which platform you have your expertise in.

Re:other platforms (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604281)

Well why guidance counsellors?

Well if your job was as meaningless as thiers, wouldnt you go crazy too?

Come to think of it my guidance counsellor was kind of worthless.

See? It's important to have a job that makes a difference boys, that's why I manually masturbate caged animals for artificial insemenation.

-1, Insipid Nick (-1)

egg troll (515396) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604414)

Please moderate this as such. Thank you.

Microsoft can't be to happy about this... (5, Insightful)

autopr0n (534291) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604181)

There goes the revenue I'm sure they were hoping to get off online gamers. How much do you want to bet future games won't work like this? Or even have any LAN support at all.

While it's true that developers can do whatever they want, I doubt Microsoft would let them use the system however they want (after all, do you think Sony would be very happy if someone released a 'game' that let people pirate PS2 games easily?)

This hack is pretty sweet, though. It would be really cool to play online games with people across the country (or world) without going through some stupid intermediary.

Re:Microsoft can't be to happy about this... (5, Insightful)

Telek (410366) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604298)

don't you think that it might be a good thing for them, since if it becomes this open, then more people will buy them, and more and more games? It's bound to make them more money in the long run.

The only thing that they might be angry about is that they didn't get there first, or they won't be able to provide the service if it's free.

Re:Microsoft can't be to happy about this... (1)

DahGhostfacedFiddlah (470393) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604320)

don't you think that it might be a good thing for them

Not really - not even on the games front unless people are buying only MS games. It's like selling Windows instead of only licensing it...eventually everyone who wants one will have one, and there'll be little else to sell. Subscriptions are the only way to make customers keep providing you with money.

Re:Microsoft can't be to happy about this... (2)

fobbman (131816) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604416)

" don't you think that it might be a good thing for them"

Not if they planned on doing this through the gaming arm of MSN for a monthly fee.

Different worlds... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604300)

Whatever MS has coming down the pipe when they launch their XBox Online component will, I'm sure, be alot sweeter and better integrated with the games that come out around that time. What the fine folks at XBoxgw.com have done is simply allow XBoxes to connect to each other via the "System Link" and bridge that link thru the internet. Kudos to them.

Yep, the metaserver they're hinting at will add more to the mix, but you're still dealing with a setup that not many Xbox users will be able to grok.

In other words, I'm hoping MS can see that this stuff is not threatening to them (after all, you still need to buy an XBox and Halo to play) and that they'll make Xboxonline even more robust. And I'm hoping the xboxgw guys realize that they should change the name of their software to something WITHOUT 'xbox' in the name to keep the lawyers away :)

- Miguel / Freewill / bs.bungie.org

Re:Microsoft can't be to happy about this... (4, Insightful)

alen (225700) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604324)

My guess is that Microsoft will allow this and maybe even encourage it. All to sell as many X-Boxes as possible. Then in the next version of the X-Box or X-Box version 3 they will crack down and lock the system down. But by then Nintendo and Sony may only be shadows of their former selves and it will be time for the X-Box to be a money maker.

Just like MS looked the other way at casual piracy of Win9x and NT for years it will probably do so with the X-Box. But sooner or later payday will come.

Microsoft should be happy about this... (1)

MadMirko (231667) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604345)

There goes the revenue I'm sure they were hoping to get off online gamers. How much do you want to bet future games won't work like this? Or even have any LAN support at all.

IMHO the opposite might as well be true. There is nothing to earn from LAN playing, there never has been a price aside that of the equipment you need (think of the GameBoy link cable, or ethernet adapters for PCs), and people wouldn't accept one.

Microsoft hasn't planned an XBOX online service (AFAIK), and even if they have, they would be planning to earn from MMO games like World Of Warcraft & Co. With this tool we see the first Hacker development, and many others will follow. This will make the XBox immensly popular among hackers (which is a small crowd) and, even better, among all the wannabes and normal gamers and parents looking for the coolest machine(which is a huge crowd).

Merry XMas, Mr. Gates

Re:Microsoft can't be to happy about this... (1)

Sparr0 (451780) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604353)

Actually Halo will probably be the exception rather than the rule. Look at THPS3 for PS2. It supports its own internet service. I fully expect future xbox games to go that route and not require 3rd party software (or 1st party software, ala XBox Online from MS) to play online.

Re:Microsoft can't be to happy about this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604356)

The ps2 allready has a piece of software available that makes pirating games easy. It's called the Gameshark 2. You use it to swap in copies in conjunction with a mod chip. You don't see sony screaming about it, probably because they know that market share is what gets you on top, not locked down unhackable consoles.

Re:Microsoft can't be to happy about this... (2, Interesting)

cornflux (168139) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604358)

While it's true that developers can do whatever they want, I doubt Microsoft would let them use the system however they want (after all, do you think Sony would be very happy if someone released a 'game' that let people pirate PS2 games easily?)
But, this isn't really about pirating games, is it?

Anyway, maybe MS will use this, and other types of "hacks," as a sort of pseudo-loss leader?

I can see a scenario like this: MS sells a decently hackable (not just hardware, as we're finding out) system which attracts a significant interest in the above average consumer. (I think we can agree that those people are sometimes the ones that drive new features, technology, etc.) So, then, MS has gotten a good idea of what the above average user wants/needs and can then sell a new version that incorporates "the best" of those.

I'm sure some will dismiss my scenario. (Maybe they'd prefer the word scheme?)

Well, regardless, I think MS is very aware of what's going on and is looking forward to the next xbox.

Re:Microsoft can't be to happy about this... (2)

Docrates (148350) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604374)

I believe you're mistaken. Halo, as I understand it, already supported network play as long as you're on a LAN. What these guys did is write a bridging app that makes many networks over the internet look like a single LAN to the XBox. In esence, Microsoft isn't loosing money on this one.

What they might lose money on is a replacement for their centrilized networking system, where they probably expected to charge you a monthly fee so that you can play games with larger number of people (unlike their current LAN option which limits significantly the number of players). But even this will be highly hackable. I mean, there are many clone servers for Everquest and Ultima Online, it's virtually impossible for microsoft to actually avoid this. They'll have to rely on value added services if they want to make money off their private network.

Re:Microsoft can't be to happy about this... (2, Informative)

Osty (16825) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604441)

Microsoft said time and again during the development of the XBox that you would be able to use whatever existing broadband ISP you have for internet access for your XBox (this only makes sense, as it would be extremely foolish for Microsoft to try to get into the cable/DSL/dedicated line business more than they already are). Halo was not an online game for quality issues and time constraints. Meaning, there was not enough time to accurately test Halo online and tweak it to run well and also go gold in time for the XBox launch. This isn't going to affect negatively, because

  1. It'll very likely sell more XBox units. Even if those people only buy Halo, the fact that they have an XBox will very likely cause them to eventually buy more games (you cannot resist DOA3 ...).
  2. If the online performance of Halo is shite, Microsoft can simply state that Halo was never meant for online play, and it only does so through the work of some hackers. I don't think many people will complain, though, as multiplayer Halo is fun (I've only played over a LAN, though), and PC gamers have learned to live with a bit of lag.

Anyway, as other people have already pointed out, Halo is likely the exception rather than the rule. I wouldn't be surprised if there were some games you could play online for free (look at the MSN Gaming Zone -- the premium content includes games like Crimson Skies that you can play online for free once you've bought the game, and also games like Asheron's Call that require a subscription even after buying the box), but I'm guessing most online games will require a subscription (probably a $10/mo subscription to some premium service that lets you play all your online games, rather than $10/game/mo).

When will MS' netplay be up? (3, Interesting)

anotherone (132088) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604186)

I mean, this is cool and all if you want to play with someone you know across the country or something, but it's not really that useful until there are actual servers up with gamespy type software. I mean, you can only fight the same people so many times, you know?

According to M$ - Summer 2002 (2)

Lawmeister (201552) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604290)

So if you can't wait or would rather tweak and hack (and we are /.'ers right?) then the Xbox Gateway project is utterly fantastic..

Remember, the Xbox was only released 9 days ago... just wait another month, there will be so many mods and services added (think Gamespy-like) that once again, M$ will be behind the 8-ball just like they were with that 'internet' thing.

Re:When will MS' netplay be up? (1)

jhestyr (190398) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604302)

www.xbox.com/support/default.htm
it's about halfway down the page

The service is planned to go live in the summer of 2002

Sounds familiar (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604187)

first post

M$ seem to be on to a winner here (3, Informative)

Master Of Ninja (521917) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604188)

I'm getting more and more tempted into getting one of these things now. Anandtech reported the DVD playback was better than the PS2s which boosts its cred. All that is needed are some great games (i'd like to see midtown madness and maybe championship manager for it) and a crack to play multi-region DVDs, then I should be begging for one.

After this they just need to buy up bleem and release it so I can play my old PS games on the machine. If they can get EA, Namco and Capcom to support them they should make a killing.

The problem is that in America there is no price differential between the PS2 and XBox (both $299 me thinks). In the UK the Xbox should be coming out at £299, with the PS2 already at £199. There seems to be no incentive in the US for people to favour the PS2. But even over here I'm wanting a Xbox now. Oh well - only have to wait till next spring!

I'm curious (1, Redundant)

Anonymous DWord (466154) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604223)

After this they just need to buy up bleem and release it so I can play my old PS games on the machine.

What would be the legality of this? Any NALs want to comment? I know Bleem was found legal, but would it be different because of the direct competition between consoles? It certainly would be cool to play PSX games on Xbox. A PS(Linu)X-Box would be neat.

Re:I'm curious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604435)

you can get bleem for dreamcast already (it was sold in eb).

Midtown Madness? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604239)

Your crazy... I was big into street racing games for the PC and I thought Midtown madness was OK. I have an XBox and Project Gotham Racing is unreal. If it wasn't for the cartoony colorings of the buildings in the background, you almost can't tell the cars are computer generated. Watching the replay's it like watching a race on a digital television. They even went as far as adding the detail to the brake calipurs behind the rims! I love it!

Re:M$ seem to be on to a winner here (1)

zeno_2 (518291) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604315)

There seems to be no incentive in the US for people to favour the PS2. But even over here I'm wanting a Xbox now.

I think your forgetting something about the ps2 that is a pretty good feature of it.. being able to play all the old ps1 games. This brings the ps2 library up to hundreds of games, where as the xbox only has 20 or so. And since the ps2 has been out for a while, the developers are starting to learn the hardware, and we see some great games like Devil May Cry, Tony Hawk 3, SSX Tricky, Metal Gear Solid 2, the list goes on and on.

After this they just need to buy up bleem and release it so I can play my old PS games on the machine.

Why wait to see if bleem will be on xbox (I really doubt it, but im all for it!) when the ps2 has this capability out of the box?

I myself haven't noticed much bad with the DVD playback of the ps2. I haven't sat down and tested it really, I usually watch movies on a normal sony dvd player, the only thing I notice with both is in some movies it will pause for a split second when switching chapters, I don't mind it too much though.

XBox is going to be the hacker's dream (2)

Sc00ter (99550) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604189)

As much as slashdotter's hate MS, it looks like the XBox is going to be much more hackable then the GameCube.

Re:XBox is going to be the hacker's dream (0, Troll)

Vardamir (266484) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604201)

Where comes the joy in hacking a PC - thats all this Wintendo is.

blerg (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604190)

if taco wants an xbox then wtf doesn't he buy one? It's not like he's poor.

also did anyone else notice that the plural of xbox should be xboxes or even xboxen! And it's "they're" not "their".

Re:blerg (2, Funny)

autopr0n (534291) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604221)

if taco wants an xbox then wtf doesn't he buy one? It's not like he's poor.

Have you seen VA's stock price lately? :P

Actualy, yeh that surprized me to. You can get them on ebay [ebay.com] these days for like $350

Re:blerg (-1, Offtopic)

butch812 (529419) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604256)

They went up, I was thinking of buying them too, too late now

Re:blerg (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604301)

I wouldn't pay 350 bucks for a Linux company.

Re:blerg (-1)

I.T.R.A.R.K. (533627) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604443)

Holy shit, that is exactly what I said (to the letter) when I first read his comment.
Props. You beat me to it.

- I throw rocks at retarded kids

Re:blerg (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604231)

Does Taco rhyme with Waco? If not, why not?

Homonyms (-1, Redundant)

xercist (161422) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604191)

fooling the xbox's into thinking their on a LAN.

are just so amazingly complicated. Good thing after getting out of elemtary school you never have to think about any of that again.

Funny (2, Redundant)

Anonymous DWord (466154) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604195)

I like how the download is an RPM. That'll make Bill G happy. Besides, without him we couldn't have things like RPMs anyway.

OH THE IRONY! (2, Interesting)

gatesh8r (182908) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604402)

This can be taken two ways: 1) Linux screws over M$'s plans for the future, or 2) The Linux community is going to help capitalize on M$'s plans to move into the game community. This post may seem a little redundant, but I'll make some points here that I haven't seen scrolling through previous comments:

* The gateway may not be the best thing to see for those that would rather see the X-Box go away. This only strengthens its position for anyone with broadband; immediately jumping into the online world where Sega and possibly Sony have already entered, and Nintendo is lagging behind... I haven't heard about its broadband, but Nintendo best have something.

* This little Linux program should allow for more than JUST X-Box -- especially if other services out there can too be taken away and allow for more of a P2P gaming experience. No middle man for Phantasy Star Online, for example. I feel if it gets more fanfare it'll spark more projects to be done for other consoles, which is totally a Good Thing(TM).

* Misc. points: It would as been said before spark a Game Spy-ish service, but I would not be suprised of Game Spy themselves took intrest in tapping into this market for consoles if we got more of a P2P way of finding games. I know I would have some intrest along with my brother and our PS2's to be able to find opponents in say, Tekken Tag that we have sitting there collecting dust because we've beat all our friends in it.

Oh well, in the end Billy G. may get shafted out of another subcription service :-D

Stephen King, author, dead at 55 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604224)


I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

Re:Stephen King, author, dead at 55 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604250)

Did It finally get him?

XBOX Development Team (5, Informative)

jcnnghm (538570) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604225)

It's nice to see so many people interested in this. I have been on the development team and would just like to let you all know where this project is headed. We are currently working on a matching server to hook people up to each other. The software is highly stable and fast. I just finished a 3xbox game less than a half hour ago. Pings were about 150ms, and there was NO lag. We are also working to implement chat. Expect another release in the next couple of days.

Re:XBOX Development Team (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604347)

what about web browsing? gee, i'd love to look at pr0n with this thing. schweet! hehe j/k

Re:XBOX Development Team (1)

Pyrosz (469177) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604389)

While 4xbox games are nice and the work done so far is amazing, Im missing something in all this...

I just finished playing a 20+ person game of Q3UT2 online with a 50msec ping with no lag on my cable modem. If the XBox is only going to support 4 players (a few more later?), why would I want one over my current system setup? Although maybe the games don't require more people to be as fun...?

Hobbyist Community (5, Interesting)

r.suzuka (538257) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604241)

Several days ago I posted a note about a friend of mine who got in trouble with Sony after posting home programming tools to the Internet. To revise my previous post, I believe it was a tool that allowed someone to write a PlayStation boot sector on a CD. My friend used it for writing his own programs to run on a PlayStation but perhaps Sony was understandably concerned it might lead to the copying of their games.

I just want to say how fascinating I find this culture of console hacking and programming. Here is Japan in the home of the console, I wish we had a more active community, but it does not seem to be so. I am not sure why not, especially since consoles are nearly uniform in popularity among all age groups and such.

My only fear is for these programmers. Microsoft is well know for its business practices, and I worry that they will disaprove of this Xbox net-play project. I do not see how this will hurt them but I still think they will not like it. Too bad since it will only make their console more popular.

R. Suzuka

Re:Hobbyist Community (3, Interesting)

JoeShmoe (90109) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604405)

So where is the mirror of this program your friend wrote? It sounds very interesting. Even if I'm only able to get Pong ported over to the PSX hardware that sounds pretty darn cool.

Typical Sony overreaction. There are plenty of different boot loaders (CDs that you boot, then swap out for a CD-R copy of a game) and plenty of mod chips (chips you solder onto your PSX board to force it to ignore PS-specific boot sector). If anyone is interested in playing pirated games they are already doing in. Buy a mod chip for $30 bucks and then rent all the PSX games you can from Blockbuster, copy them, and presto instant game collection. So if Sony things this little program is going to lead to any more game copying than already exists they are clueless beyond belief. More likely they are afraid people will be able to write quality games WITHOUT having to pay the Sony tax to become an official PSX licensee.

Meanwhile this tool could be very useful for this like porting MAME over to the PSX (would be nifty for the PS1 to make a portable MAME machine) and as you put it, writing your own games.

So, please tell me your friend passed the tool around a bit before Sony shut him down? What was the file name so we can know to keep an eye out should it just "happen" to appear on Kazaa/eDonkey/LimeWire/etc (maybe, oh, sometime this week)?

- JoeShmoe

slashdot sucks! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604257)

does anybody else experience regular fuckups where it logs you out and won't let you reply or do anything? what the fuck is going on???

Re:slashdot sucks! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604296)

I don't appreciate your ruse m'am.

I beg your pardon?

Your ruse, your cunning attempt to trick me.

What about PC's.. (2, Interesting)

gizmoiscariot (442386) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604264)

Now the trick would be to get it so that when some of these games are ported to Windows, to have them able to play against eachother across the internet. That would be the real gem in the Xbox and online gaming. I wonder if this would be even possible due to the obviously differences in the controls and the games themselves, but it would still be worth a try to get it to work.

Re:What about PC's.. (1)

gakido (537608) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604396)

uhhh... there's this crossplatform online FPS already, it's called Quake 3 Arena, maybe you've heard of it?

not mmofps, but there's Planetside [ign.com] for that.

and playing an FPS with a thumb stick, ick. micros~1 probably isn't going to release a keyboard/mouse for the X-box anytime soon, in a vain attempt to debunk the "X-box is just a PC" thing. I can hear the kiddies whining already, how they can't compete with PC/Mac HALO players, because their thumbstick is useless for aiming compared to a mouse.

he wants an xbox???? (0, Troll)

Juln (41313) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604295)

Why the fuck does commander taco want an xbox again????? One game? I thought if anyone realized that Microsoft and most anything made by them fucking sucks. The first time I read slashdot I was actually cheered by the little picture of Bill Gates as a Borg. Perhaps CT has been assimilated??

Anyhow, my opinio is the X-Box, besides being MS's way to make money in spite of flat PC sales, and also being their way to rip off an entire new segment of the industry, is MS's way to close the loop - to start manufacturing the hardware their OSes run on as well as all of the software. Basically, it's a bold step for Microsoft disguised as a game system, and I doubt if that is lost on the likes of Gateway, Compaq, and others who concentrate on the home PC business.

Re:he wants an xbox???? (1)

Anonymous DWord (466154) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604312)

Sure, except they're not making the hardware, it's contracted out.

Re:he wants an xbox???? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604410)

spoken like a true blue slashbot

Answer (-1)

egg troll (515396) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604429)


Why the fuck does commander taco want an xbox again?????


Because Taco understands the Linux is pretty much a worthless turd, and MS really does make the best products. He can only continue to lie about the virtues of Linux for so long, until something comes along that is impossible for him to resist. True it makes him a hypocrit, but we realized this long ago.

Re:he wants an xbox???? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604454)

Go away you fucking zealot.

Noboby will miss you.

oddwrold-sortof on topic (1)

gimpboy (34912) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604303)

this is the first tim'e i've noticed this:

the description of oddworld on the xbox.com website is as follows:


Save Oddworld from greedy corporate bigwigs and evil animal-testing researchers. You'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll meet Fuzzles about to fry. Simply neurotic...


i added the bold. am i the only one who finds this funny?

Re:oddwrold-sortof on topic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604449)

"am i the only one who finds this funny?"

yes

2 XBox? (1)

gabester (538575) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604314)

So what you're saying is that I have to use two boxes to play online games with an XBox? I think I'll wait until the Sony PS2 Networking kit (or better yet that much rumored Linux kit) is available...

Do the math. XBox + linux PC for online play is not a deal. $300 + time to set up your xboxgw software alone, assuming you already have yourself setup on a Linux box... wait, better yet, I'll get 2 XBoxes, install Linux on 1 of them and set it up as the gateway for the other... then M$ will lose twice the money!
g=

Re:2 XBox? (2, Informative)

Sparr0 (451780) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604365)

Time to set up?? It took me almost 5 (yes, FIVE) minutes to set up an xboxgw game for the first time. I just stuck the boot floppies from their web site into my spare PC, ran the appropriate ethernet cables between my router / hub / xbox / linuxbox, and it was done. My only problem with XBoxGW so far is the lag, as Halo has no anti-lag code for clientside movement so theres actually a delay between you pressing forward and your character actually moving.

Re:2 XBox? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604398)

Ok, people need to realize that by buying an XBox, you are helping Microsoft. Period. To NOT buy an XBox at all would be the most damaging to them.
YOU do the math, unsold XBoxes = $400 loss per console, sold XBoxes are a mere $100 loss, that is probably covered by game bundles that retail stores force people to buy. And that's even assuming MS is ACTUALLY losing 100 bucks per console, which I truly doubt.

How's this for irony!! (1)

azizu (240440) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604316)

From the xboxgw.com website.

>> XBOXGW currently only runs on Linux.

I'm having a great laugh!!!

Its WAY easier than that! (5, Informative)

jkerman (74317) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604323)

using the standard TAP/TUN driver for linux, I was able to set up an ethernet TAP tunnel between my friends house and mine. (128K ISDN links).

Just pop the ethernet cards into promisc mode, set up a kernel IP filter to filter out any unnecessary traffic, and bridge the TAP to the ethernet card! works great! no noticible lag!

Indrema (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604328)

ll inin nnoo o ooxxx

gobble gobble f1r57 p057 gobble

Net Ready (1, Troll)

ryanw (131814) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604330)

> I want an X-Box so bad, or as I would call it, a DOA3-Box.

My Athlon I ordered came "net ready too" .. imagine that.

The XBox is the whore of gaming consoles. It's a celeron processor with an nvidia video card. Whow, some great amazing technology that Microsoft gets to put their name on. I don't get it.

Gaming consoles are ment to be DIFFERENT then when I play games on my PC. The XBox is making you play games that you could play on your PC except with not as high resolutions (unless you plug into a HDTV that costs over $3,000.) ...

Play Metal Gear Solid 2 before you decide to jump on the xBox bandwagon.

Re:Net Ready (2)

SuiteSisterMary (123932) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604385)

Yeah, lord knows, for example, that you can run out and buy an Athlon with a Unified Memory Architecture.

Re:Net Ready (1)

xxavierg (538582) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604452)

uhhh...can't you just by a mobo with a built-in video card?

Re:Net Ready (3, Insightful)

damiam (409504) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604397)

The XBox is the whore of gaming consoles. It's a celeron processor with an nvidia video card. Whow, some great amazing technology that Microsoft gets to put their name on.

And the GameCube has a PPC processor and an ATI video card. AFAIK, all modern consoles have parts not made by the company that sells them. The XBox is no different.

good but kind of useless (-1)

Anonymous Pancake (458864) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604351)

I doubt any linux users bought the xbox, since it would violate their collective code of anti-MS everything.

PC-BOX (1)

snotgun (538578) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604369)

I have no idea if this has been talked about, doesn't anyone here feel that xbox games could be easily had on a computer with comparable features? GF3, DVD-ROM, x-box games. Don't they already use directx to develop their software? I don't know, seems to me that Microsoft could easily put out something. Be it hardware/software, like what Sega did for the Saturn.

I wonder. (2, Interesting)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604370)

How many game studios are being told that, if they want the SDK's early, or even at all, that they must sign exclusivity contracts with M$ ? My prediction for sure, is this. No game released for Xbox will ever be released for linux. My 80% sure prediction is this... no game released for Xbox will be released for ANYTHING else.

Sega is gone. It's possible Nintendo is hurting. How far can they be pushed, before they have to give up too? Even Sony might have to pull out, if M$ behaves as I've suggested. Bingo. Video Game Industry Monopoly.

But... it gets worse. The powers that be have always HATED people building their own computers, upgrading them. Here is a viable PC platform, that is almost completely sealed. Even a bigger hard drive might be impossible for a user to install, if M$ wants to really cheat. If they release this as a home pc, or even business... and Office XP2 is released for it, what then? "People buy the Xbox, it's the end to all those hardware conflicts, software too!". Compaq(HP?), Dell, Gateway... their days are numbered.
Bingo. PC Industry Monopoly.

Won't affect you, you say? "I'll always buy my own, and build as I chooose!". Noble thoughts. But the fact is, the prices you pay for hardware are in part subsidized by the fact that everyone else is doing the same. People like you and I might be left paying prices similar to those that corporate enterprise purchasers are paying, since they will be the only other market that won't be able to use a sealed system like Xbox. The future looks grim, my friend.

Kali? (1)

atomray (202327) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604392)

Hmmm, a virtual LAN...this sounds familiar. I believe that a software package called Kali (www.kali.net) has been doing this for years and years. I remember using this for doom or quake or something like that.

IIRC it's a decent package. Check it out.

who gives a shit (0, Troll)

mickeyreznor (320351) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604408)

mod me down as trolling if you like, but i'd like to voice my opinion:

consoles were never meant for online gaming. It just doesn't make sense. If they were, then why the fuck do they bother to give you 2-4 controllers. If i want online gaming, I'll do it with a pc game. Consoles are for games that you either play by youself, or when you bring friends to your room. I'm getting a PS2 for christmas and I can't think of a single game I want for it that would make any sense at all to use as a multiplayer game.

Repeat after me: PC = online net gaming, Console = 2-4 player splitscreen/sports/whatever.

Xbox OS? (1)

vrmlknight (309019) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604409)

I was wondering what OS the xbox is based off of the games use directx 8 and such so should it be a fairly easy thing to get the game to run on a win32 box?

Re:Xbox OS? (2)

DeeKayWon (155842) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604453)

It uses a stripped-down version of the Win2k kernel optimized for a console (i.e. everything runs in ring 0 at the kernel level, etc).

whoopsie (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604424)

Dont you mean "xboxes" and not xbox's

whatever...

Re:whoopsie (1)

scorcherer (325559) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604440)

xboxen

MMOFPS? (1)

gakido (537608) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604425)

Are there still plans for HALO to become an MMOFPS as originally intended by Bungie? Or is it just going to become another 32 player DM thing?

Re:MMOFPS? (1)

ElectusUnum (520161) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604444)

The PC/MAC version is still in development so it's possible, but really not likely. Hopefully halo2 or maybe a mod. Keep your fingers crossed!

PS2 ? (1)

sam@caveman.org (13833) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604442)

what is the state of broadband kits for the PS2 or GameCube? things become infinitely more fun when an actual person is involved, rather than just the cheesy, predictable game AI.

Microsoft FUD (1)

hound3000 (238628) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604456)

You'd better be careful on those index page posts, before you know it Microsoft will say that they have been endorsed by Slashdot!

> I want an X-Box so bad, or as I would call it, a DOA3-Box.
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