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Mplayer Charges License Violation

michael posted more than 12 years ago | from the showing-feelings-of-an-almost-human-nature dept.

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Several people have submitted stories about the author of Mplayer accusing Warpvision of, err, "borrowing" their code for Warpvision's OS/2 player. I have two reactions - one, someone still uses OS/2? And two, something about imitation being the sincerest form of flattery...Update from CD: Hold on there, everyone. I downloaded the WarpVision source and lo and behold the GPL is there in all its free software glory. I think Mplayer spoke too soon, too rashly, or alternatively, WarpVision was just too slow to update thier site. I'd love to hear both sides of this before we all freak out. Further Info: It was pointed out to me (CD) that the MPlayer program itself is not Open Source software (it calls itself Basically GPL, which, BTW, hasn't been approved by the OSI), so in the end this might just be proprietary software piracy. (Yawn)

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French Toast! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604672)

The AC Avenger strikes again!!!!

Re:French Toast! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604681)

*SPLONK*

ahh the nostalgia :P

Re:French Toast! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604686)

STFU, damn hippy.

Turd Poast! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604685)

j00 h4v3 b33n 0wn3d!!!!

-The AC Avenger

Re:Turd Poast! (-1)

Fucky the troll (528068) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604690)

Man, I think my dick just fell under the couch.

OS/2 Users (1, Flamebait)

Mr.Spaz (468833) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604689)

They'll probably still be using it in 2101, too. Watch out; they're a rabid bunch. To imply that OS/2 is on its way out will surely result in a swift and vicious attack.

Re:OS/2 Users (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604959)

The six OS/2 users in this world are almost as bad as the 12 people who actually use Linux.

All your base are belong to OS/2 (1)

yerricde (125198) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604963)

They'll probably still be using it in 2101, too.

Will OS/2 set up us the bomb?

Really? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604691)

I would have thought that the sincerest form of flattery would be to take over a website and deny anyone else the right to control its future or content like a maladjusted brat, michael.

What a joke (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604694)

That OS/2 screenshot looks like my dream fvwm2 desktop circa 1994. Wow, mTelnet! You can.. uh, nevermind. There's no use for telnet over a public network.

Let the poor OS/2 users have their stolen code. They can only put 2 GB per drive letter (C: D: ...) so they can't store many movies anyway.

Wrong... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604922)

actually OS/2 can do up to 64TB per volume (drive letter)... which each one can span multiple partitions/physical disks too of course.. Linux JFS implementation that IBM opensourced was ported from OS/2's JFS/LVM (which came from AIX)... maybe you were thinking of MS-DOS ...

This isn't exactly imitation (4, Insightful)

bconway (63464) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604698)

Michael, please click the link to Mplayer's site. They took the entirety of the mplayer source, changed the output plugin for OS/2, and released it as binary-only. It appears that source has now been released and the issue has been resolved, but at least read the article before letting them off light. They tried to pull a fast one on Mplayer using very little or no code of their own. I don't know if you call that imitation, I call it stealing.

Re:This isn't exactly imitation (1)

Xandis (90167) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604753)

You are right on the merits of the case but it was a bit ridiculous for the MPlayer people to overemphasize the "Russia" part - their tirade about this being bad for "Russian" Coders suggests their fiery was perhaps not entirely based on the license violation.

Let's Clarify (5, Insightful)

oGMo (379) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604833)

They took the entirety of the mplayer source, changed the output plugin for OS/2, and released it as binary-only. [...] They tried to pull a fast one on Mplayer using very little or no code of their own. I don't know if you call that imitation, I call it stealing.

They stole, but this is not what they stole. Using someone else's code is not stealing, since the party whose code is used does not lose their code. Under the GPL, this sort of using is encouraged. After all, this is one of the things Free Software is truly about. So they did not "take" Mplayer's code, or "steal" Mplayer's code, they used it, and that's fine.

But then, they stole. (If indeed this is what happened... that's what is claimed, and seems to be resolved, and we will for discussion assume it is the case.) They stole from the community the right and ability to reuse and modify the code. This is what the GPL is designed to protect. And this is where we must be careful.

Code cannot be stolen. No form of "intellectual property" can be stolen by being copied and used. This is not stealing, there is no loss. The loss and theft occurs when the right and ability to modify and use or reuse is taken away. This right is the only thing that can truly be taken away by theft. Let us all beware of such things.

Re:Let's Clarify (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604851)

Ummm...you removed a sentence from his statement, which said the same thing as your 3 long, boring paragraphs. Do you talk just to hear yourself speak? You post added absolutely nothing to this discussion whatsoever. What was your motivation for repeating what has already been said?

Re:Let's Clarify (0)

Ozx (529611) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604874)

> Using someone else's code is not stealing,
> since the party whose code is used does not
> lose their code.

I guess there's no such thing as identity theft, since the party whose identity I've used to gain goods and services is still in their possession...

Please don't generalize using your ideological beliefs. Theft is a legal matter, and there are many forms of it, not all of which involve the tangible...

The GPL (the license mplayer is under) provides consent by the author for modification and redistribution provided they follow the GPL. If they do not, they are not acting under the provision of consent, and are STEALING the code...

Re:Let's Clarify (4, Interesting)

oGMo (379) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604945)

I guess there's no such thing as identity theft, since the party whose identity I've used to gain goods and services is still in their possession...

Of course there is, just calling it "theft" is a misnomer. They're not stealing per se (unless they use the said information to take from the person whose identity they're using), they're illegally misrepresenting themselves, something like fraud. Of course, that's not what we call it, but the term does not change what it is.

Please don't generalize using your ideological beliefs. Theft is a legal matter, and there are many forms of it, not all of which involve the tangible...

I never said it must deal with the tangible. I said that to truly be theft, it must take away from a party. This is not the same as just taking without the "away" part. Remember, I said your rights are being stolen here. Rights are certainly not (directly) tangible items.

The GPL (the license mplayer is under) provides consent by the author for modification and redistribution provided they follow the GPL. If they do not, they are not acting under the provision of consent, and are STEALING the code...

Aside from Mplayer not actually being under the GPL per se, let's assume for the sake of discussion it is. Taking GPL code and using it in a non-GPL product is not "stealing code," it is copyright infringement. It is "stealing community rights." That's what I'm saying.

Re:Let's Clarify (5, Interesting)

unformed (225214) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604956)

Under the GPL, this sort of using is encouraged.

Correct. While complying with the license. By not releasing the source, their right to use the source was gone, and the effectively stole.

Look at this way: You walk into a car dealership and take a car out for a test drive. Fine, right? There's nothing wrong with that; it's fully legal. Now what if you don't come back? That's grand theft. Try telling the judge you were just "test-driving" the car all the way to Mexico.

If license violation can be proved to be intentional, that would be considered stealing. Period. (Again, assuming the GPL holds up in court.)

Re:Let's Clarify (2)

oGMo (379) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604997)

Correct. While complying with the license. By not releasing the source, their right to use the source was gone, and the effectively stole.

Or they just broke the license and committed copyright infrigement. They didn't actually "take away" the code. I do agree they stole---they stole our rights given by the GPL.

Look at this way: You walk into a car dealership and take a car out for a test drive. Fine, right? There's nothing wrong with that; it's fully legal. Now what if you don't come back? That's grand theft. Try telling the judge you were just "test-driving" the car all the way to Mexico.

Well that's not really an accurate analogy, since you would have been taking away the car.

If license violation can be proved to be intentional, that would be considered stealing. Period. (Again, assuming the GPL holds up in court.)

Well IANAL so I can't tell you the legal term, but I don't think it would be stealing. You'd just be committing copyright infrigement. If the GPL doesn't "hold up" in court, it'd default to your basic copyright, which is "all rights reserved," so... you'd still be committing copyright infrigement.

Re:This isn't exactly imitation (2)

michael (4716) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604857)

It never fails to amaze me how many people will take an off-the-cuff remark and run with it rather than examining the actual situation at hand.

Here's a general hint that applies to all slashdot stories at all times: we assume you can read and understand the links, and we have at most a few sentences to write about what are often very complex topics. Always, always take the links first and foremost, and don't take offense if the blurb has a flip comment or doesn't seem 100% accurate in every conceivable way. That's why the links are there.

In any case, the reason I didn't express an opinion like "Warpvision stole the code, they should be shot at dawn" was because it isn't clear, at all, what is going on here. You're only hearing from one side, which is rarely conducive to getting the truth.

Re:This isn't exactly imitation (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604893)

Why don't you just continue to stick not no expressing an opinion in the blurb, as you did with this one? Almost every time you submit a story, you feel the need to dispense your wisdom to us.

Remember when you wrote your laughable definition of freedom yesterday?

How about where you use the headline to express an opinion, like you did when "US Trashes Civil Liberties"?

Try to stop saying one thing and then doing another, ok?

Re:This isn't exactly imitation (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604902)

Fuck you, Michael Sims. Fuck you and your censorware.org [spectacle.org] ruining asshole. Suckit bitch - and quit whining like a baby.

Re:This isn't exactly imitation (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604923)

Nice OS/2 comment, too. Fucking asshole.

Re:This isn't exactly imitation (-1)

Guns n' Roses Troll (207208) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604998)

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Is MPlayer even GPL? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604860)

This page [mplayerhq.hu] says that it is illegal to distribute MPlayer because some of the code is non-GPL. But they don't say which code they're referring to. The MPlayer source code doesn't (AFAIK) include a copy of the GPL, and apart from a copy of the above web page under Docs/, doesn't refer to licensing at all. There are no mentions of a license in the .c/.h files, except in the files taken from other projects (try "grep -ir licens *"). For all I know, it's illegal for me to distribute or use the MPlayer source code at all. Maybe MPlayer is the one stealing code from other GPL projects.

Their explanation is extremely vague. I understand why you couldn't include the Windows DLL files, the Divx4 codec, etc. with a binary distribution. But why couldn't you compile it with the FFmpeg GPL codecs only, and distribute that as a binary if you make the source code available? The FFmpeg decoders seem better than the Windows DLL files anyway, and they can run on non-x86 platforms.

RMS is right (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604700)

Abolish Copyright, and you won't see any more silly "license" violation. The GPL is only necessary to protect us from hoarders in a copyright setting.

OS/2 (1, Informative)

blkros (304521) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604706)

Yes, the commuity radio station [weru.org] that I volunteer at uses it on one computer for their satellite downloads.

Holy (1, Troll)

Anonymous DWord (466154) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604708)

I guess FSF (Free Software Foundation), ffmpeg authors, would eagerly sue them to fucking hell! Such an action against humanity can't go unpunished! They will die a dog's death for sure I swear! Lay back, we'll teach them that stealing from OpenSource is a BAD thing, and stealing from MPlayer is even WORSE!

Take it easy, guys. Nobody needs to die a dog's death here. It'll all work out. Relax, smell the flowers. It's just software. Hey, what are you doing with that axe? aaaaaaaaggg

This is almost amusing.... (3, Insightful)

pwagland (472537) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604712)

This from the russians website:
Linux-community dumbfound us by their answer to our "technical" release of WarpVision 0.0.12. WarpVision is a GPL software and we're not hide that WarpVision contains now some of other GPL projects. Okay, wait for official press-release for this situation.

Who knows the truth? I don't, but if they did "borrow" the code, at least they 'fessed up pretty quick. Perhaps we should of asked first what was happening?

Re:This is almost amusing.... (2, Informative)

macinslak (41252) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604752)

Companies that do obscure stuff probably pull crap like this all the time and just assume nobody is going to notice. After all, if they did tell anyone, Mplayer could just be suddenly declared 'free for noncommercial use' in future versions. Granted this isn't legal or right or anything, but it is probably a financially safer route to take in a lot of cases.

Please Mod story down as Flamebait! (2, Informative)

Codeala (235477) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604716)

I have suffered way too many "Still using CLI?" for using Linux, haven't you? If someone want to *write* programs for OS/2, all the power to them. "Burrowing" source code is not so good, but that is cleared up now (read above posts!).

What? (-1)

Fucky the troll (528068) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604721)

Looge told me about this early yesterday. Slashdot is getting way too slow. I think they need to hire more admins - preferably people less like Taco or Katz.

All you motherfuckers are gonna pay. You are the ones who are the ball-lickers.

Other Way aroung (1)

SolidCore (250574) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604723)

Im sure it is the otherway around I have heard bout Microsoft mettings where they talk about reverse engineering all the time. And if they can decompile and reverse engineer it they buy it.

my first troll (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604724)

michael, you are a wanker.

Re:my first troll (-1)

Fucky the troll (528068) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604815)

You're off to a great start. Keep up the good work. :)

They released the source of WarpVision... (1)

nll8802 (536577) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604730)

Go to Mplayers Home Page [mplayerhq.hu] , they used the entire code of Mplayer and only changed the output plugin.

"someone still uses OS/2?" (1, Informative)

dan_bethe (134253) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604734)

Michael, computing has cultural implications and you're a jerk.

stolen? (2, Interesting)

vipw (228) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604738)

how can a russian coder steal source code? he's using it in a way the author did not intend, but he's not under the same laws. in russia, code is not property, and unless it is property, it cannot be stolen.

Re:stolen? (1)

Xandis (90167) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604779)

I think it is a contract/license issue. I'm sure Russia has contract law. If you use the software you have agreed to the contract/license. Contracts put conditions on your actions that are not normally there under the law. So, unless it is legal to violate licenses/contracts in Russia they broke the law (maybe? perhaps? I really don't know but I don't think it is a property issue.).

Re:stolen? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604871)

The GPL doesn't require you to agree to its terms before using the software (it specifically says you don't have to agree). Unless Russian copyright law prohibits you from running software without explicit permission from the copyright holder, contract law wouldn't apply.

Re:stolen? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604947)

Read it properly f00!
It says you don't have to agree, but if you don't you can't use, modify etc the licensed product!

Re: "imitation being the sincrest form of flatter" (1)

DiveX (322721) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604740)

No, it is not flattery, it is plagiarism.

Prudential (3, Interesting)

christurkel (520220) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604741)

My division of Prudential Insurance (Can't say where, sorry) uses OS/2 on all its desktops here, that's 3,000 machines. Nifty OS!

Re:Prudential (1)

stcanard (244581) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604817)

Up here in the great white north, all the teller machines at TD Canada Trust are OS/2. That makes for quite an installed user base as well.

I wasn't shoplifting ... I was just shop imitating (2, Funny)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604743)


" I have two reactions - one, someone still uses OS/2? And two, something about imitation being the sincerest form of flattery..."

So basically, if I break in and steal Michael's computer, he won't want me prosecuted so long as I explain to him that I was flattering him by imitating him .... does this guy think at all before he posts his unecessary comments?

Re:I wasn't shoplifting ... I was just shop imitat (1)

JamieF (16832) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604829)

Believe it or not, there is this thing called "open source", based on the little-known fact that if you get information from someone, they still have it. Or at least I think some guys named Thomas Jefferson, Richard Stallman, and Eric Raymond were saying something about that. I think they, like, said something about how it's different from material things because you don't deprive the original owner of it when you "steal" it.

Good analogy, otherwise. *cough*

Re:I wasn't shoplifting ... I was just shop imitat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604957)

Around /dork, if it isn't tied to Linux, it don't matter.

MPlayer/GPL love/hate relationship (3, Insightful)

beable (170564) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604754)

Check out the MPlayer homepage [mplayerhq.hu] . The 2001.11.06 entry says:
On a press conference, A'rpi said the big truth: he hates GPL! Well this sounds very rude from him, but let everyone know what happened! The poor fella tried to compile a flash disk driver into the kernel to boot from it and... it wouldn't! The little geezer is non-GPL so he can't be compiled into the kernel, which is in fact GPL! Let me quote him: rts NOW! GPL SUX - Utalom!!! - kibaszott szemet! - which I now don't want to trto english. Now he has rm -rf /*GPL* in crontab.

Order MPlayer - Boycott GPL! T-shirts NOW!
Now I'm confused. Do these MPlayer likes like the GPL? Or do they hate it?

Re:MPlayer/GPL love/hate relationship (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604804)

That whole story is confusing. Nothing prevents non-GPL code from being compiled into the kernel. It's also a vague problem description. Did the kernel not compile, not boot, or did the "poor fella" just refuse to compile non-GPL code?

Re:MPlayer/GPL love/hate relationship (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604831)

Mplayer is NOT released under the GPL!

So, how can the OS/2 team we're talking about release their project under the GPL? It makes no sense! You cannot take someone's project, modify it and just because you had access to the source you can decide for yourself what you'll do of that code.

aurey@linux.ca

Re:MPlayer/GPL love/hate relationship (3, Insightful)

beable (170564) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604847)

"Anonymous Coward" wrote:
Mplayer is NOT released under the GPL!
If MPlayer is not released under the GPL, then that's probably a GPL violation. In my MPlayer build directory, there is a file called ac3-iec958.c which was released under the GPL by Juha Yrjölä. Because ac3-iec958 is built into MPlayer, by the "viral nature" of the GPL, surely the whole of MPlayer must be released under the GPL.

Re:MPlayer/GPL love/hate relationship (5, Informative)

beable (170564) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604939)

To follow up, there are HEAPS of files in MPlayer which were released under the GPL. I can't see how the MPlayer authors can possibly not release MPlayer under the GPL.

Files which contain a GPL Licence statement in MPlayer:

grep -rn "General Public License" *|cut -f 1 -d :|sort |uniq

ac3-iec958.c
drivers/3dfx.h
libac3/ac3.h
libac3/ac3_internal.h
libac3/bit_allocate.c
libac3/bit_allocate.h
libac3/bitstream.c
libac3/bitstream.h
libac3/coeff.c
libac3/coeff.h
libac3/crc.c
libac3/crc.h
libac3/debug.c
libac3/debug.h
libac3/decode.c
libac3/decode.h
libac3/dither.c
libac3/dither.h
libac3/downmix/downmix_3dnow.S
libac3/downmix/downmix.c
libac3/downmix/downmix_kni.S
libac3/downmix.h
libac3/exponent.c
libac3/exponent.h
libac3/imdct.c
libac3/imdct.h
libac3/mmx/imdct_3dnow.c
libac3/mmx/imdct512_kni.S
libac3/mmx/imdct_kni.c
libac3/mmx/rematrix_3dnow.c
libac3/mmx/srfft_3dnow.c
libac3/mmx/srfft_kni_c.c
libac3/mmx/srfft_kni.S
libac3/mmx/srfftp_3dnow.h
libac3/parse.c
libac3/parse.h
libac3/rematrix.c
libac3/rematrix.h
libac3/sanity_check.c
libac3/sanity_check.h
libac3/srfft.c
libac3/srfft.h
libac3/srfftp.h
libac3/stats.c
libac3/stats.h
libmpeg2/attributes.h
libmpeg2/header.c
libmpeg2/idct.c
libmpeg2/idct_mlib.c
libmpeg2/idct_mmx.c
libmpeg2/mm_accel.h
libmpeg2/mmx.h
libmpeg2/motion_comp.c
libmpeg2/motion_comp_mlib.c
libmpeg2/motion_comp_mmx.c
libmpeg2/mpeg2.h
libmpeg2/mpeg2_internal.h
libmpeg2/slice.c
libmpeg2/sse.h
libmpeg2/stats.c
libmpeg2/vlc.h
libvo/video_out.c
libvo/video_out_internal.h
libvo/vo_3dfx.c
libvo/vo_mga.c
libvo/vo_null.c
libvo/vo_sdl.c
libvo/vo_syncfb.c
libvo/vo_xmga.c
libvo/yuv2rgb.c
libvo/yuv2rgb.h
libvo/yuv2rgb_mlib.c
libvo/yuv2rgb_mmx.c
opendivx/idct_c.c
opendivx/idct_mmx.c
TOOLS/mp.pl
TVout/fbset/modeline2fb

Please explain?

freaky (2, Funny)

ckuhtz (87644) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604763)

What do you mean not freak out?

Isn't that the ./-way?

Buurrrap. Oops, must've been the turkey.

Using OS/2 (1)

headonfire (160408) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604768)

Firstar [firstar.com] bank uses OS/2 in their ATM's for some ungodly reason. A friend of mine recently lost their old revision card in a machine - it rebooted when they tried to withdraw, and watched in horror as it went through an OS/2 bootup sequence.

Re:Using OS/2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604788)

eh, they use windows 95 on the registers at hershey park. and probably lots of other places.

Re:Using OS/2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604823)

Actually, OS/2 is used in teller machines because it was for a long time the most stable GUI-oriented system in existence. The military still uses it quite a bit too. (I know a guy who was an officer in the Army, did OS/2 support for a few years.)

The machine you happened to run into was likely having hardware problems. OS/2 can easily have years of uptime. Don't generalize based on a single experience.

Re:Using OS/2 (1)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604845)

I saw this myself once, during a thunderstorm. Makes me wish I had a camcorder with me, who knows what interesting tidbits I might have learned.

Re:Using OS/2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604954)

None. Just boots to ATM Insert Card screen and THEN enables keypad etc. SOL.

Re:Using OS/2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604958)

for some ungodly reason

Since when is "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" an "ungodly reason"?

Sometimes it makes sense to shift from iffy-supported platforms to well-supported platforms, but only when the application needs a lot of maintenance. But when was the last time the needs of an ATM changed much?

okay... (-1)

SlaveTroll (535702) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604769)

you can all now return to fingering yourself in the ass.

from an OS/2 and Linux user... (1, Offtopic)

jejones (115979) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604771)

Hmmm...too bad there's no way to rate an article as a troll or flamebait. (Ah, well; if it makes you feel better...)

In any case, I would hope the matter is settled, and a proper port of mplayer done.

Re:from an OS/2 and Linux user... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604791)

From MPLAYER2.EXE

Windows Media Player
Copyright (C) 1992-1999 Microsoft Corp.
Version 6.4.09.1121

I think you are all confused about MPLAYER licensing, and should stop stealing ideas from Microsoft.

Someone still uses OS/2? (0, Informative)

Whatthehellever (93572) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604786)

Yes, we still do. It's part of the array featuring BSD and Linux boxes up the wazoo.


OS/2 is still better than Winblows.

WarpVision...hrm. (3, Insightful)

jimmyphysics (16981) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604789)

so yeah, it looks like they *did* steal some source code from mplayer. "but now they've released source, its ok," you say. no it isn't. apparently, they now claim that warpvision is/was GPL software. well, mplayer is released under a couple of licenses... its not all GPL, so that does not allow redistribution completely under GPL for derived works. (does that make sense to antybody else?) hmmm...

i do have to say, however, that i'm a bit disappointed in Arpad's rather immature reaction.
Arpad! you listening? rabit, knee-jerk reactions like this make us look bad. i have a lot of respect for you as a programmer, but your reaction is way out of line.
"They will die a dog's death for sure I swear!" its SOFTWARE, for god's sake. lighten up.

Re:WarpVision...hrm. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604887)

This reaction keeps in line with his immature, even infantile, personality. Any question is replied with a RTFM, and even if it wasn't in the docs, he'll still say to RTF Archives assuming the question was answered 8 months ago.

Not to mention the hypocrisy with his "we don't want buggy GCC" and anti-GCC2.96 crusade... yet says nothing about GCC3.x.. despite that GCC3.x is far more buggy.

Re:WarpVision...hrm. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604991)

Well, actually, I have heard from closed source that is a genius 8 year old child... That explains everything !

Article moderation.... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604797)

>> I have two reactions - one, someone still uses OS/2? ...

Score: -1, Flamebait

Come on, Michael. You know better than that.

Would you rather us use Windows? Or is Linux the only *real* choice, and thus OS/2 is shunned as just another competitor to Linux?

In truth, it's a stable, fast OS with a real object-oriented interface, and there are many people who still use, depend on, support, and develop for it.

You might ask me what I think about the current state of the Linux desktop, but we don't need to discuss that here.

Don't be inflammatory to others for their choices of software, even if you don't agree with it. It doesn't help anyone. If you have valid reasons, that's one thing, but FUD and mockery is quite another.

Great work editors (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604799)

I'd love to hear both sides of this before we all freak out.

Why didn't you try to hear from both sides before posting the damn article in the first place? I know slashdot isn't "real journalism" but this would have saved the embarassment from having to update the story 15 minutes later.

Once again, the "New Media" has fallen on its face.

GPL issues (4, Informative)

peter_gzowski (465076) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604801)

The update to this story mentions that everything's ok because the WarpVision code has the GPL, but the Mplayer author contends that Mplayer is not GPL, hence the following quote from the Mplayer homepage:

They also claim to be GPL. They aren't because MPlayer that they modified, also isn't GPL. It has its own license. So that's another lie.

Even more issues (2)

j7953 (457666) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604904)

On the MPlayer News [mplayerhq.hu] page, it is also claimed that WarpVision forgot to mention the authors of ffmpeg [sourceforge.net] in their credits file. The strange thing is, ffmpeg is released under the GPL, and is also used by MPlayer -- then, I wonder, how can MPlayer not be released under the GPL?

Now who's in violation of the GPL here?

Not Resolved Yet (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604807)

Check the Mplayer web site. (they have an update in response to the source release) This is not resolved yet.

One of the big issues appears to be that Warpvision is GPL, but Mplayer is NOT GPL. It has its own, different license. Just taking the code and changing the license to one you like better (even if it is the GPL) is not acceptable, no matter how much credit you give people.

None of the Slashdot editors... (-1)

I.T.R.A.R.K. (533627) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604826)

...are nearly as good as putting a foot in their mouth as Michael is.

"I have two reactions - one, someone still uses OS/2?"

It seems like we have a new snide remark to look forward to with every article he writes.
After he's finished alienating the computer world, what is next, Arab jokes?

- I throw rocks at retarded kids

OS/2 (3, Interesting)

easter1916 (452058) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604837)

OS/2 is still widely used in banking, as the underlying OS for ATM machines and elsewhere whenever uptime and reliability are of utmost importance. Personally, I haven't used it in five years, just thought I'd let you know.

Still using OS2..sorta (1)

Blimbo (528076) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604841)

We(being the psuedo-gov organisation i support) just migrated 4500 users from an OS2 Domian to NT4. The OS2 boxes and domain are still "on line", although not used for authentication for the last week but smply in case we need to back out :P It was ugly and hard to use..

Re:Still using OS2..sorta (1)

ReinoutS (1919) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604897)

Ugly? You must have missed some of the goodies available at, for instance, http://projects.netlabs.org/ .

Hard to use? Years of usability research went into the creation of the Workplace Shell, which shows in the consistent and predictable way it works- which cannot be said of certain desktop environments for unix/linux. (Which is why I've joined the GNOME usability project, by the way).

Re:Still using OS2..sorta (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604985)

You should try using OS/2 with its GUI. It will be years before XFree86 or MS Windows is as easy to use as WPS.

OS/2 (2, Informative)

NiN3x (180376) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604858)

Micheal, I would suggest you try to learn a few things about OS/2 before you assume that it is dead.

Many banks all around the world use OS/2 for their ATMs and office computers because of one reason, it is even more rocksolid than your precious Linux/Unix.

The last released version of OS/2, Warp Ver 4 (merlin) was amazing. In 1991 it had and impresive list of features such as: Voice recognition software that was 98%+ accurate;
OpenGL 1.0; every network protocol nameable, Partial Win32 API compatibility and full Win16 compatibility.

As Slashdoters, you should support OS/2 and learn about it. It was most likely one of the most powerful and stable operating systems in existence, and probably still is. It had great potential to become THE operating system. If it wasn't for Microsoft boycoting/strong arming IBM out of development of OS/2. I would suggest you read "Hard Drive" which is a biography of Bill Gates and Microsoft. (It is written by an author with the last name Wallace. I can't remeber his first name). It explains the situation very well.

I am quite shocked that you sheepish Slashdotters would not like OS/2. You should just because of the fact that Microsoft took it down. Obviously you are not a knowledgable herd of sheep. (You can run Xfree86 in OS/2!!!! WOWZERS!)

In truth I use Windows XP. I would use 0S/2 if it wasn't so hard to install and if it had a greater list of features. OS/2 does have alot of problems to overcome in the modern day, and probably isn't the best operating system to use on a daily bassis for regular computer usage. (sounds like linux to me.) It could have been, and still could be though.

Re:OS/2 (1)

NiN3x (180376) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604866)

I appoligize. Merlin was released in 1996. Still an amazing list of features for that time.

Re:OS/2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604931)

Heah !, but only one queue of message for the HOLE system... so, if a program read a window message and doesn't return it, the OS is jam ! great design !

Re:OS/2 (2)

jejones (115979) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604977)

My understanding is that we can thank MS for the single input queue--and by the time MS dumped it, there was a large pile of software that expected it. I'll agree that it's broken, but to some extent IBM was stuck with it, and Warp 4 provides a way (admittedly requiring human intervention) to unwedge it.

Well then (2, Insightful)

maxxon (124407) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604864)

Maybe you should get both sides of the story before posting it to Slashdot in the first place?

This reminds me... (2, Interesting)

zmooc (33175) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604870)

A few weeks ago there was something about a company reselling parts of products of another company. The EULA said this was not allowed, but when taken to court it was said that in order to take parts from a bundle of software, you don't have to install it and therefore you may not have read the license and most certainly not have clicked `i agree'. Actually this situation resembles the MPlayer-situation a bit. It's waaay to easy to install MPlayer without ever reading about some license. Most source-files are totally license-less. I wonder what would have happened if this particular case would have been taken to court...but I'm glad that wasn't necessary.

micheal is a cocksucker (-1)

Fucky the troll (528068) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604884)

"someone still uses OS/2?"

You really are a simple-minded cunt aren't you?!

OS/2 is used... (3, Interesting)

blitzrage (185758) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604886)

I remember seeing a Meridian phone system (the hub that all the phone lines go into) and it was running OS/2! I was really surprised and my first thought was, "That's fuckin' cool!"

You just plugged a keyboard and mouse into the inside of it, and if you had the right boot disk, you could load up the software and change stuff. OS/2 was the heart of the phone system.

I just thought it was really cool that you could change mailboxes and stuff without using a phone, but a real keyboard.

Re:OS/2 is used... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604940)

Meridian does NOT run OS/2 - IBM has a product (Callpath) that communicates with the Meridian PBX through either a serial or ethernet connection. Callpath does run on OS/2 (and Windows and AIX) and can be used to control the Meridian Switch.

Nortel PBXs are too unstable to be running OS/2 :)

Um...?? (3, Flamebait)

jonnythan (79727) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604905)

so in the end this might just be proprietary software piracy. (Yawn)
So if someone steals GPL code, it's a horrendous crime worthy of getting everyone involved and posting to slashdot...but if it's proprietary code that's stolen, no one cares?

How does that work?

Re:Um...?? (1)

Talla (95956) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604993)

So if someone steals GPL code, it's a horrendous crime worthy of getting everyone involved and posting to slashdot...but if it's proprietary code that's stolen, no one cares?

The difference is they didn't steal from "us" (the Open Source community), so it wouldn't be Slashdot news. It'd get kind of boring here if SD should post every time somebody sells an unlicensed copy of Windows.

Re:Um...?? (2)

srvivn21 (410280) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604999)

If there is a plane crash and hundreds die it makes the front page. Thousands of car accidents where a few (or zero) people die in each one. Yawn.

The common activities (such as auto accidents and proprietary software piracy) are not news after the Nth occurance (where N is a sufficiently great number, as related to the event in question). Sufficently rare activities (such as the "theft" of GPL code, or plane crashes) happen infrequently enough that the general public (or the /. crowd) find it interesting. That's how it works.

YO (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604910)

My cock was extraordinarily hard, but after visiting the free pics at WorldSex [worldsex.com] , I creamed in my boxers.

Spelling Nazi (1)

H3XOR (525026) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604918)

I think we need a Spelling Nazi "to update thier site. I'd"

imitation (-1)

Anonymous Pancake (458864) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604921)

something about imitation being the sincerest form of flattery...

great! I'm going to steal some linux code now and imitate it!

OS/2 in the real world (0)

robvasquez (411139) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604944)



"I have two reactions - one, someone still uses OS/2"

Then I reply OS WHO!?

Down with big blue!

But they love linux!

Oh, well, down with Microsoft then!

Hooray!

Not OSI approved? (1, Flamebait)

ByTor-2112 (313205) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604961)

NOT OSI APPROVED? SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP!

I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW SICK I AM OF PEOPLE ARGUING OVER THESE STUPID SIMPLE SEMANTICS.

If I have the source code it is OPEN SOURCE. I don't care what 12 white men living under a rockthink about the license!

AAAAAARRRRGHG!!!!

I feel better.

The Business (-1)

Guns n' Roses Troll (207208) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604970)

(Note - can someone help me with the missing lyrics?)

The Business - Get Yer Tits Out

[Oi oi oi!]
Ever since I was 8 years old
I been a fan of the centerfold
Girls good lookin, they got class
Shove my cock right up their ass

It makes great time, or so I heard
So go in there and shag his bird
[???? ???? ???], makes us sick
[??? ?? ????] get on my dick

Get yer tits out for the boys! [x 4]

The girl next door, she just don't care
Gunna get buried in her pubic hair
She got long legs and wears pink socks
Now I let my tongue right up her box

I know a nice way to [??? ????]
But you gotta be care that you don't get AIDS
Take her home, get back to your place
Get her upstairs and cover her face

Get yer tits out for the boys! [x 4]
Get yer tits out for the boys! [x 4]

Still using OS/2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2604972)


I switched to OS/2 from DesQView back in 1993. OS/2 still runs on 4 out of 7 computers here (2 of the other 3 are G4s, the last is a linux server). Why? Because it still works, and does everything I need. And these aren't ATMs or back-end machines, these 4 computers are all user workstations.

I run my own consulting business, and I can't afford to be spending time administrating my own machines. My machines need to be rock solid, and really need to be transparent. My customers don't want to hear that a project is late because I had to reinstall WinXX on my machine and that ate up X days of my time.

I plan to continue using OS/2 until Apple's OS X is ready for prime time (I don't believe it is yet, but it's getting there). I'm guessing this is going to be 2-3 years time.

- Turbo

Its quite a convoluted story.... (4, Informative)

gagravarr (148765) | more than 12 years ago | (#2604973)

Alas the WarpVision mailing list isn't archived anywhere that I know of, but I'll do my best to sumarise:

Someone noticed that WarpVision had changed a lot between two versions, doing some things better but some no longer. Someone else then noticed that the debug output was much like that of MPlayer

At that point, the MPlayer guys were alearted, and decided that it was very likely that WarpVision was an uncredited port of MPlater to OS/2, and also a closed source one. They mailed the WarpVision Developers, and asked what was up.

The WarpVision guys initially played dum, then said they had only used a tiny bit of code and would release the source later.

Tempers flared, and a lot of discussion went on between the WarpVision guys and the MPlayer guys. In the end, the WarpVision developers credited MPlayer, and released the source.

Now, the flame is over who was in the wrong, who needs to apologise, and if the projects should remain seperate, or if the WarpVision changes should go into the offical MPlayer tree. The issue isn't resolved, but the GPL violation is

/. Idea: Flame segregation using Auto troll thread (1)

Sloppy (14984) | more than 12 years ago | (#2605003)

When a submission contains such an obvious troll, it should come with a premade put-your-flame-here post where all the trollees can put their "I run WarpVision on my ATM" replies.

Feelings of an almost human nature? [OT] (0, Offtopic)

EmilEifrem (11066) | more than 12 years ago | (#2605004)

This will not do. Call in the school master!

I'm sitting at a friend's, hacking away at our current pet project while listening to Wish you were here. It's good, but it's not even close to The Wall.

(And yes, this *is* OT but at least his department choice invited to it!)
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