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IBM and Red Hat Sign Major Support Agreement

chrisd posted more than 12 years ago | from the red-fedora-on-a-blue-suit dept.

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gnudot writes: "Red Hat announced this morning that they have entered into an agreement with IBM to provide support services for the entire eServer product line. This includes zSeries, iSeries pSeries in addition to the xSeries (What no qSeries? or 7Series?) which is already supported. Here is the story on Yahoo."

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first fist (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2621822)

first fist is when you fist someone first in quake 3 arena

Re:first fist (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2621841)

fuck your momma!

Re:first fist (-1)

mackga (990) | more than 12 years ago | (#2621877)

fucking cum-slurpping shiteating dime-an-assfucking whore.

Hey (-1)

King Africa (262341) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622006)

I have an Xbox and a Gamecube with all the latest games. Wanna play? Just step into my car and we'll go to my house...

Re:first fist (-1)

Sunken Kursk (518450) | more than 12 years ago | (#2621900)

You know what? I don't feel like dealing with your shit. I claim this first post in the name of all logged in trolls!

First Fist is what you got last night in the bathroom with the bottle of Jergens and that July 1982 issue of Hustler of yours.

w00t!!! FP!

Re:first fist (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2622041)

I get all my porn at the goodwill, too. My sexual preferences are 80's neon tinted.

Nothing like a lady in legwarmers to get your motor running.

Dear Professor Linux... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2622053)

How can I keep from soiling myself in indignation every time I hear the French referred to as "cheese-eating surrender monkeys"?

Signed,
Francois P.

P.S. Quebec is WAY more annoying than France, NOT the other way around!

Who would you prefer offed? (-1)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622184)

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i am your first posting GOD (-1)

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Re:i am your first posting GOD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2621857)

i fuckin' own3d j00

Re:i am your first posting GOD (-1)

Sunken Kursk (518450) | more than 12 years ago | (#2621922)

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BITCH! I SAID NO TEETH!

They just don't make AC sluts like they used to.

Re:i am your first posting GOD (-1)

King Africa (262341) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622018)

BITCH! I SAID NO TEETH!

Have you considered gerontophilia?

wow (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2621828)

first posting for ibm giving redhat the shaft! adequacy sucks!

Humorless (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2621835)

That press release is humorless [lostbrain.com]

iServer before eServer (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2621840)

except after cServer

sidenote... (5, Interesting)

Misha (21355) | more than 12 years ago | (#2621850)

this sent RedHat shares flying [yahoo.com] , as well as some other Linux stocks, such as Caldera and VA Systems.

Re:sidenote... (5, Interesting)

selectspec (74651) | more than 12 years ago | (#2621860)

I think this pretty much seals the deal with RedHat as the defacto Linux distro for the commerical OEMs. What do people think?

Re:sidenote... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2621906)

Exactly... great news. The sooner Redhat is declared the official Linux, the better. Not that I dislike Debian, but they really need to drop debs and get with the program.

SuSE and Caldera and the other hand, can just fuck off.

Re:sidenote... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2621930)

Fuck you

SlackWare r0x0rs!

Re:sidenote... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2621953)

SlackWare r0x0rs!

We're past the point where shitty distros thrown together with no support, or user friendly features matter much. Slackware is dead, get over it.

Re:sidenote... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2621895)

Ironic really... considering that VA is desperate to drop "Linux" from its name and flog closed-source software. I suggest telling them to fuck off and die.

Re:sidenote... (4, Funny)

istartedi (132515) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622179)

You don't understand VA's business strategy:

1. invest in idea.

2. continue to invest in idea even though you are losing money.

3. realize that idea loses money, stop investing in idea.

4. stare dumb-struck when some other company that stuck through just a little bit longer actually starts making money.

This is known in MBA school as the "totally out of whack inverse biorythm business strategy" or "the 180 degrees out of phase business strategy". Most MBAs are supposed to learn how to avoid it in the first few weeks.

Amazingly, they are actually still in business with this strategy.

Re:sidenote... (0, Offtopic)

Livn4Golf (83604) | more than 12 years ago | (#2621908)

And Microsoft(MSFT) [yahoo.com] was down USD$1.40! Does life get any better?

Re:sidenote... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2621968)

Yeah, if my life revolved around the stock prices of two companies I don't own any shares in.

Re:sidenote... (3, Funny)

Anonymous DWord (466154) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622013)

Well then you should be happy MSFT went down. That's like *making* money!

Re:sidenote... (2)

Anonymous DWord (466154) | more than 12 years ago | (#2621972)

Interesting though, IBM is down two bucks.

Re:sidenote... (4, Insightful)

Misha (21355) | more than 12 years ago | (#2621999)

that's because the deal is a big deal for RHAT but a far lesser deal for IBM.

If you think about it, IBM could probably do better with AIX. The price drop simply reflects that in the short term there will be AIX to Linux migration issues which may cause IBM extra money spent. But in the long run, it is a better deal.

Re:sidenote... (1)

jeffy124 (453342) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622011)

that's because IBM is moving part of their business out to another entity

As if this sort of thing would actually affect IBM (2)

John Harrison (223649) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622028)

While this deal is a BIG deal for RedHat, it probably isn't exactly a huge thing for IBM. I doubt that the $2 drop in IBM's stock price had anything to do with this deal. It is more likely related to the fact that blue-chips in general fell today due to weak consumer confidence numbers that came out today.

Re:As if this sort of thing would actually affect (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2622098)

It also doesn't help that IBM is going to be laying off LOTS of people tomorrow... Believe me, I work in the BTV plant, and we've all been told that MANY people are being let go tomorrow.

Posted anonymously to preserve the small chance I have of keeping my job...

They tell you guys in advance? (1)

John Harrison (223649) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622157)

They haven't been telling us!

Luckily, there are bunches of John Harrisons in IBM, so I don't need to post anonymously. I get calls/emails all the time for other John Harrisons. :)

Ok, if you bother to look up some of my posts it becomes obvious which one I am, but I don't see my boss reading much /.

Re:sidenote... (-1)

King Africa (262341) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622071)

Gerontophilia

For Ashraf and Saleem

One look at you and I open all my orifices.
I am the child of nature.
Come and look into my eyes
And recall the days when you were embarked
On the odyssey of life.
Every strand of your gray hair
Is laden with the mysteries of life
Wrinkles around your eyes are like fishnet, which have trapped so many
stories and dreams
I want to explore the hidden world of my future through your eyes
Is life really a bridge, thinner than a strand of hair
And sharper than sword which I have to cross.?
Tell me about the secrets of life.
I know the history has been distorted many many many times.
But I shall believe you until I see it otherwise.
Tell me there was no Romeo and Juliet.It was Romeo and Julian
There was no Adam and Eve. There was Adam and Steve.
Taj Mahal was not built for a woman
But was built for a Turkish Mumluk boy by a Mogul king.
What's wrong with that Tell me every thing.
Show me how to do all the asanas
And I promise I wouldn't kill you.
Come fill me up with your knowledge of years gone by and
I shall quench your thirst with my fountain of youth.

Let's live forever

Re:sidenote... (3, Informative)

nazgul (11395) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622132)

Red Hat's CFO was on CNBC this afternoon discussing the deal. He advised that the company is expecting strong growth for this quarter and re-iterated Red Hat's offer of providing software for every school in America if Microsoft would change it's settlement and provide all the hardware. Red Hat would also provide support and upgrades forever.

nazgul? (-1)

King Africa (262341) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622142)

very original nickname...

Re:nazgul? (1)

nazgul (11395) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622164)

Thanks. Thought of it all by myself.

About RedHat. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2621851)

Fuck you, motherfuckers. Linux faggots eat cock yeast off of RMS.

Re:About RedHat. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2621907)

How could that get moderated as flamebait? It's insightful +3!

not just support and services (3, Interesting)

tim_maroney (239442) | more than 12 years ago | (#2621858)

The press release at Red Hat [redhat.com] also mentions software solutions.

I'm not sure what to make of this exactly. How many of these servers does IBM sell? If the services market here is lucrative, then why doesn't IBM keep it for itself? Still, it seems like it might be a nice little revenue stream for Red Hat.

Tim

Re:not just support and services (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2622022)

It is a stupid marketing term. Who the hell knows what their terms mean anymore. Their subset of the English language is its own dialect. Soon it will be its own language. We should call it "marketoid."

Re:not just support and services (5, Insightful)

frank_adrian314159 (469671) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622069)

How many of these servers does IBM sell?

Tens of thousands per year. More important still is the installed base of these machines, which run into the hundreds of thousands. To be honest, most of the installed base of these machines don't currently run Linux, being split among OS/390, OS/400, AIX, and (of course) Windows. But many of them might be willing to switch. Even more, if Red Hat does a good job

As to why IBM would spin off Linux support, it's probably a good deal for them. Good S/390 and AS/400 people don't come cheaply in the best of times and many may not be well disposed towards learning Linux (which they rightly perceive as a less reliable and stable OS than the native alternatives). The Intel box guys have a hard enough time dealing with Windows. The training costs assciated with this venture would be hideous.

Now, if you sell the software support business to Red Hat, you can still sell hardware support, still write software for the platforms, and still sell the iron. Plus, you've laid off the risk of Linux failing and the cost of hiring new people to an independent entity. Looks like a good deal to me, if I'm IBM. Looks like a good deal all around...

Re:not just support and services (3, Informative)

MythosTraecer (141226) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622085)

A couple of years ago, there were 250,000 AS/400s in service. That market isn't growing, but it's probably not contracting, since those customers are a hidebound bunch. I seem to remember that average AS/400/iSeries customers spend $100,000 or more on their machines.

I have no actual sales numbers on System 390/zSeries servers, but I seem to remember most customers spending at least $1 million for each of those.

Between the iSeries and zSeries customers, we're talking about customers who have enough cash to pay extra for support and services. And I know these customers most often pony up extra for IBM support services anyway, so it probably won't be such a big deal for RedHat to get a nice piece of that pie.

Re:not just support and services (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2622169)

Being a somewhat dedicated AS400 (oh, sorry, iSeries) developer, and working for an iSeries reseller, I can say that these people do spend the money for support. However, a lot of these companies would like to enter the "e-business" world and web-enable a lot of these traditional, green-screen driven applications that have been developed over the years. One way to do this is to LPAR these $500k + servers into 2 logical servers, one side running OS400, and the other Linux. IBM's current support group for Linux (located here in my area of Dallas, Texas) are not very strong, and instead rely heavily on the current AIX support infrastructure. It's not unheard of to drop $10k a year on an IBM software subscription just to keep OS and other important software up to date and at the current PTF levels.

Re:not just support and services (0)

fitsnips (187974) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622181)

What IBM loves this. Sell the iron make a good profit, then sell the service which they take 10% off the top and walk away. Just like windows, they just take there % of the top, and laugh all the way to the bank while the others do the work. And with IBM support contract easly reach 1M or more, so you do the math.

Red Hat Stock (2)

BgJonson79 (129962) | more than 12 years ago | (#2621861)

Look at how much the stock went up according to Yahoo!

(http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=rhat&d=c)

Re:Red Hat Stock (0, Offtopic)

Stardo (465325) | more than 12 years ago | (#2621994)

Yeah, I noticed that. I have stock in Redhat (cause I love them so much) and was thoroughly amazed to see it rise so much in one day.

--

What have you been smoking? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2622054)

Look at the full picture

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=RHAT&d=c&k=c1&a=v&p =s &t=5y&l=on&z=l&q=l

The stock has fallen like a rock.

Went up $1.61. Whoopie fucking do.

It was at close to $150 a while back!

Now *this* is the way Open Source should work... (5, Insightful)

Bonker (243350) | more than 12 years ago | (#2621867)

IBM is doing what they do best... making damn good hardware.

Redhat is doing what they do best... making a damn good server OS. Apparently, it's better than AIX. At least it's costing IBM less, which is a good goal as well. IBM gets Free software to run on its high price enterprise-class servers. Redhat gets paid a lot by a huge company for support, and incidentally for further development. They also get a lot of prestige... and more penguins spraypainted on sidewalks, I'd imagine.

Everyone else gets the fruits of IBM's and Redhat's labors in the form of GPL and other open-license software. Win-Win-Win

Re:Now *this* is the way Open Source should work.. (2, Funny)

flynt (248848) | more than 12 years ago | (#2621905)

You should abstract this concept into a general theory, you could name it like comparative advantage, that sounds cool. Add some other stuff, and make a whole college major out of it, we could call it...i don't know....economics??

Re:Now *this* is the way Open Source should work.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2621920)

Bullshit. RedHat tacks on bloat to a half-baked science experiment. They make a mediocre server OS. RedHat is garbage.

Mod Parent +3 insightful (-1)

Genghis Troll (158585) | more than 12 years ago | (#2621955)

CmdrTaco told me to tell you mods to do that. So GET CRACKING you ass-lickers, or no more KatzKum(TM) for you!

Re:Now *this* is the way Open Source should work.. (0)

fitsnips (187974) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622141)

I would have to say redhat is what you make it. You can strip out the packages you dont want and
install the ones you do? Hell if you want you can
just load the kernel, a shell, and a few other basic packages and make it what you want. When you get right down to it Redhat is just the same
as debian, slack, suse, or what ever you use.
I have left redhat a dozen times or more for a cool new feature in another distro, but I always come back home. It works for me, if it does not work for you maybe you are the problem. Lack of knowledge on you side is hard for Redhat to work around. In short FU!

Re:Now *this* is the way Open Source should work.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2622171)

Well that is the problem with Gnu linuxblows it is not very easy to use. It is a motley crew of different parts.

Re:Now *this* is the way Open Source should work.. (5, Interesting)

RobL3 (126711) | more than 12 years ago | (#2621970)

"Apparently, it's better than AIX"
No.

AIX will still run on clients high-end mission critical servers. Linux will run on small to midrange servers.

If you think that a Fortune 100 company like the one I work for is going to switch >1000 AIX servers to Linux, You Are Nuts. We want IBM reliability, IBM support, and IBM accountability.

Re:Now *this* is the way Open Source should work.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2622051)

AIX will still run on clients high-end mission critical servers. Linux will run on small to midrange servers.

Yeah, those 360/mainframe boxes (zSeries) certainly qualify as small to midrange...

Re:Now *this* is the way Open Source should work.. (2)

Mike Schiraldi (18296) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622149)

We want IBM reliability, IBM support, and IBM accountability.

And you can get it, with IBM eServers running Linux.

Not yet. (1)

OS24Ever (245667) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622173)

The high end of the IBM pSeries line has 8 - 32 way CPU scalability.

I'm sorry, but unfortunately Linux doesn't scale that well. YET.

Now, in a few years will it? With this kind of backing from both IBM and Red Hat will we see it? I'd bet so...

Re:Now *this* is the way Open Source should work.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2622009)

Large companies exist to make money as unethically as possible. This is not win-win-win. It is a win for us and a loss for companies. Proletariat of the world unite!

Re:Now *this* is the way Open Source should work.. (2, Insightful)

autopr0n (534291) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622108)

Apparently, it's better than AIX.

I doubt that it's better then AIX (technicaly) all around, but what it is an OS with growing marketshare and way better compatablity, which means more software. AIX is never going to do anything to microsoft, Linux is.

But did you read the fine print? (5, Funny)

The Slashdolt (518657) | more than 12 years ago | (#2621879)

Redhat will also be responsible for cleaning up the linux graffiti [slashdot.org] ads that IBM did in SF. That's not my definition of "linux support"

SUSE (1)

The Gardener (519078) | more than 12 years ago | (#2621886)

What the hell happened to SUSE? IBM was cozily in bed with them; then, whammo!

The Gardener

Re:SUSE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2621913)

They were giving away their product free for download. It's quite unclear why they cut back so drastically on their workforce.

Can you imagine trying to support a SuSE distro? What a nightmare.

Re:SUSE (-1)

Genghis Troll (158585) | more than 12 years ago | (#2621917)

IBM discovered that they are gay. Suse's cooze just didn't fire them up anymore.

Re:SUSE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2622111)

Sigh -- does RH support PPC ? So while it might make some US American Open Source Closed Minds guys and gals happy to see IBM in bed with RH think about a happy threesome, too.

You might even start thinking long term, as this could result in some sort of consolidation. Say no more Linux == Linux +/- fudge factor == Linux +/- fudge factor == ... and glad, really really glad I am to see what is going on here.

Maybe, just maybe the day is near where you can sit down in front of a machine and everything is where you expect it to be, yay.

actually. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2621892)

actually, there is a qseries, check here IBM qseries [ibm.com]

What about (-1)

Genghis Troll (158585) | more than 12 years ago | (#2621898)

the jSeries, qSeries, fSeries, hSeries, and all the rest of the Series? WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF THE SERIES??

Yeah RedHat (1)

McBeth (1724) | more than 12 years ago | (#2621899)

Congradulations, never have liked the distro, but it is always good to see a linux company do well.

Lets just hope this isn't one of those support deals where RedHat pays IBM to support IBMs software. Never did understand that.

Al Capone (-1)

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM (537317) | more than 12 years ago | (#2621915)

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He is a stupid asshole
He is full of shit

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Re:Al Capone (-1)

Genghis Troll (158585) | more than 12 years ago | (#2621927)

Have you ever had Wesley's huge, throbbing, black cock in your ass? ROCK ON MY RECTUM!!!

IBM Marketspeak conversion (5, Informative)

MythosTraecer (141226) | more than 12 years ago | (#2621946)

For those of us still not comfortable with IBM's new eServer marketspeak, here's a simple conversion chart:

eServer Name == Real Name
iSeries == AS/400
pSeries == RS/6000
xSeries == Netfinity/PC server
zSeries == System/390 mainframe

what about.... (2)

garett_spencley (193892) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622150)

the abcdefghjklmnoqrstu and v Series?????

They don't get linux?

--
Garett

Re:IBM Marketspeak conversion (1)

tralfamador (159554) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622166)

problem is, this isn't really marketspeak, these are the new names.

Ooops (2)

PhilLong (42015) | more than 12 years ago | (#2621950)

I wrote those covered calls a bit too early. Serves my lack of faith right :)

As an MCSE, I must say... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2621951)

...that I'm completely incompetent!

Re:As an MCSE, I must say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2621959)

You're lying. An MCSE wouldn't have been able to spell 'incompetent' correctly.

Re: Busted (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2621984)

Damn you! Get the hot bullets out of the shotgun to die!

And I STILL say IBM should do a Linux distro! (2, Interesting)

PRR (261928) | more than 12 years ago | (#2621961)

IBM's support of Linux has been great, and I realize they've said they won't do their own distro, but I STILL say they should! They could probably buy RedHat outright, which already seems to have close ties to IBM at RTP.

An IBM Linux distro would become sorta like the "IBM PC" in that it would be a quasi-standard that everyone rallies around, but IBM doesn't really control. This already happened with the PC. The GPL would ensure it further. (IBM's hardware-centricity would also help ensure impartiality for software) In other words, it would create a sort of "majority-defacto" Linux API that developers could at least shoot for instead of the current bit of fragmentation. A (relatively) standard API has worked to M$ advantage for attracting developers.

IBM's good name would help Linux acceptance with the PHB's :) This already happened with IBM's name on small PC's which were seen as curiosities by management types when they first appeared years ago. Linux is in a similar place that the small computers like Apple and RadioShack were in then. Once you get this kind of corporate and overall acceptance, the momentum builds, more folks get involved, and things get even better.

Re:And I STILL say IBM should do a Linux distro! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2621982)

They've got one. It's called "AIX".

Re:And I STILL say IBM should do a Linux distro! (1)

npietraniec (519210) | more than 12 years ago | (#2621989)

I don't know if i'd like the idea of an IBM distro... Anyway, it would make them too much of a competitor to Microsoft, and they probably don't want to go there. Why piss off Redmond when they don't need to? Maybe in a few years if/when MS is a little weaker.

Re: not pissing off (3, Interesting)

mughi (32874) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622048)

Why piss off Redmond when they don't need to?

One might be able to argue that IBM has been doing things just to piss-off and beat Microsoft. Open-source labs, linux for iPaq, and their whole jump behind Java...

IBM seems to have gotten into a situation where they can benefit the public while at the same time take a swipe at a long-time 'enemy' (remember IBM getting the short in with DOS, OS/2, etc.). Seems like a win for consumers, and an example of open-source and the free market together benefiting consumers.

Re:And I STILL say IBM should do a Linux distro! (1)

Tony-A (29931) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622119)

It's a bad idea to lock yourself into a single vendor, even if the vendor is yourself.
There are some minor short-term advantages to an IBM distro, but a lot of long-term disadvantages which are not minor. The key to the future is interoperability and a few minor bits of fragmentation actually helps. Even OpenBSD can run Linux binaries.

Re:And I STILL say IBM should do a Linux distro! (3, Insightful)

3am (314579) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622127)

IBM's already had their anti-trust difficulties, and entering the desktop/workstation/lower-end server OS arena probably wouldn't look good from that perspective (different (imho) from creating their own proprietary OS, but....)

anyway, i understand you point. personally, i'm torn between 1.) having IBM create/buy their own distro and create a huge chunk of legitimacy for Linux with huge/rich customers of IBM (and in turn attract more developers) and 2.) that an IBM distro could be disastrous for Debian, SuSe, et al. - most businesses that have a choice between IBM products and non-IBM products would choose IBM if they had the $.

(i totally agree with you about management fascination with all things IBM - have you ever seen one looking at a decked-out ThinkPad? although, honestly, i get a little misty eyed myself :) )

Because it would piss the hell out of Linux users. (1)

autopr0n (534291) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622131)

Really. If IBM started their own distro, or purchaced redhat, they would own the distro market flat out. Everyone in bussness would go for "IBM stablity" over anything else (hell, I would to unless I knew for sure it sucked).

And I doubt that many of the 'hard core' would be very happy about seeing companies like redhat, SUSE, etc get the smackdown. IBM would kill its karma with the community.

Rock on! (5, Insightful)

uslinux.net (152591) | more than 12 years ago | (#2621977)

This is precisely the sort of thing that will help ALL Linux-related companies. IBM wants to dethrone Microsoft. IBM still supports NT/2k/whatever for their customer base, but they increasingly recognize they can't win at this alone. RedHat wants to sell software - not just RedHat Linux, but things like Interchange and Stronghold. Being able to sell hardware with packages like Stronghold ready to roll right out of the box is a major boon for IBM and RedHat. It also helps IBM because they don't have to roll their own Linux distribution to sell their hardware. Big Blue has finally seen the light.

Re:Rock on! (1)

Wolfgang Boxhead (534133) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622099)

So Bill is currently on the throne - is that where all the crap comes from?

Re:Rock on! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2622180)

Behind the scenes -- IBM invested big dough into beefing up it's NT/2000 services group, but hasn't seen the results they might like. One big reason is that Microsoft switched it's services group from break-even to for-profit, which means that IBM competes with them on their home turf. No sane MS customer is going to try to run DB2 on Windows anyway.

So, Linux is a good bet. But, IBM doesn't want to put their brandname on the Linux box because then they would have to provide IBM-style service and support (as opposed to the amaturish stuff you get now from the 'bazaar'). So, they pawn the distribution bit off onto a 3rd party.

(Imagine IBM Linux and think about RH 5.2/Kernel 2.0/glibc 2.0 still receiving active support and kernel changes being dictated by big customers instead of programmers.)

The only 'light' IBM sees is that the real money's in the middleware (WebSphere, DB2) and implementation services. And to be effective there, they can't have their normal platform-lock strategy. So Linux brings a little 'peace and love' marketing gloss to the situation, RedHat gets a little cut, but IBM still makes bank the old fashioned way.

What about the other distros? (2, Interesting)

DJFelix (468187) | more than 12 years ago | (#2621983)

Whatever happened to IBM's statement that they will support any Linux distro on the planet on an IBM eServer?

I was just about to order a whole set of those little guys and was planning on running Debian GNU/Linux on them. If it won't be supported, I'll have to buy something else, or dog forbid build them myself.

Re:What about the other distros? (2)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622037)

Why would you build them yourself (more time, money) when you can just BUY then from IBM! Just because it isn't supported doesn't mean it isn't possible. Debian would run fine on them.

Re:What about the other distros? (2, Informative)

DJFelix (468187) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622151)

A dude from IBM just e-mailed me and told me that they would still support the system running Debian, but that they just couldn't help me if I had trouble configuring/maintaining it.

That'll work for me.

The main reasons for me behind purchasing an IBM server is their support and service. And their unflinching support of Linux!

Let's not get to excited yet... (2, Interesting)

wls (95790) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622032)

The real test here is going to be time, and whether or not IBM decides to stand behind this instance of Linux for a substancial period of time..

What this does buy the linux community is the fact that Linux has support by a big name, rich company. IT managers should feel more comfortable with this knowledge.

In the past I've seen IT departments lean toward Microsoft in their solutions, even knowing the product was defective, because they honestly thought they could get individual attention and support.

IBM certainly knows how to deliver better support than Microsoft, especially since IBM will come on site.

xxx (-1)

King Africa (262341) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622046)

Gerontophilia

For Ashraf and Saleem

One look at you and I open all my orifices.
I am the child of nature.
Come and look into my eyes
And recall the days when you were embarked
On the odyssey of life.
Every strand of your gray hair
Is laden with the mysteries of life
Wrinkles around your eyes are like fishnet, which have trapped so many
stories and dreams
I want to explore the hidden world of my future through your eyes
Is life really a bridge, thinner than a strand of hair
And sharper than sword which I have to cross.?
Tell me about the secrets of life.
I know the history has been distorted many many many times.
But I shall believe you until I see it otherwise.
Tell me there was no Romeo and Juliet.It was Romeo and Julian
There was no Adam and Eve. There was Adam and Steve.
Taj Mahal was not built for a woman
But was built for a Turkish Mumluk boy by a Mogul king.
What's wrong with that Tell me every thing.
Show me how to do all the asanas
And I promise I wouldn't kill you.
Come fill me up with your knowledge of years gone by and
I shall quench your thirst with my fountain of youth.

Let's live forever.

Linux still has progress to make though (-1)

Anonymous Pancake (458864) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622056)

Hello, as an experienced MCSE, I have worked with many systems before for different corporations, and although I find linux to be a suitable server OS, there are many problems that have to be addressed before it will be able to compete with windows in the desktop world. Here are some suggestions I have come up with that will help linux become more competitive.

1) Remove the bloat. Most linux distro's ship with way to many useless programs. Desktop users do not need 10 different text editors. Give them one or two good ones and that will be enough.

2) Dump the command line. Desktop users do not use command lines. Windows is light-years ahead in this regard. Even their server OS has a great gui, and it is not necessary to use the command line. Linux needs to follow Microsoft's lead and get rid of the command line. You could maybe include an option for advanced users, like how windowsXP has an ms-dos prompt, if you really want to use it.

3) Dump open-source. Normal desktop users do not care about source code, they care about good programs. They do not want to compile anything. Linux needs real companies that actually know how to make good interfaces. Right now they are few and far between.

4) A universal gui system. Linux needs ONE gui. Perhaps people should focus on developing KDE into a competitive platform. Forget about gnome and everything else.

5) Make upgrading the software easier. Desktop users need an easy way to upgrade the kernel.

6) Get a good web browser. Linux has no good web browsers right now. Netscape is old and bloated. Opera cost extra and lacks some features. Mozilla is still beta and isn't even up to version 1.0 yet, so it doesn't count. Linux needs a browser that is competitive with IE, and right now IE is light-years ahead of anything for linux.

7) Proper office programs. If you want Linux to be used in offices, you need decent applications. These programs should be able to import all MS formats, past and present. Microsoft is still light years ahead when it comes to their office programs.

8) Backward compatibility. WindowsXP can run dos programs, windows 3.11 programs, windows9x programs, windowsNT programs, ect... Linux is barely backward compatible.

Right now I would recommend windowsXP for any sensible desktop user. Linux is still too complicated and fragmented to appeal to the typical user. Perhaps in a few years time they will be on par with windows, and a few people may try it.

Re:Linux still has progress to make though (0)

berserker2001 (535765) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622083)

"7) Proper office programs. If you want Linux to be used in offices, you need decent applications. These programs should be able to import all MS formats, past and present. Microsoft is still light years ahead when it comes to their office programs. " star office? duh

Re:Linux still has progress to make though (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2622192)

I've always wondered about Star Office fans. Is it just because it's free?

Star Office is inferior to Office 95+ as far as stability, ease of use, and features go. Its interface is unpolished and extraordinarily confusing. Two "start" buttons. What?

I'm not an ms fan, it's just the facts. I don't like ms office much, either, but it's pretty clear which is the better product.

It makes the entire platform look bad when you guys run around touting crap software.

And details? (2)

HeUnique (187) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622059)

I don't see any details here..

If I buy tommorow a pSeries machine (I wish!), where is Red Hat coming? do I sign a support contract with them or with IBM? and who do I turn if I have a question? to Red Hat or to IBM?

Lots of details missing........

What about priorities and RT apps? (2)

imrdkl (302224) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622061)

Forgive my ignorance, I never worked much with IBM boxen at all, just a few SPSS routines that were required in college. But I've heard several claims that the *ni|ux OS's can't really compete with the original IBM operating systems, because of better prioritizing capabilities in the old OS. According to these claims, mission critical apps running on IBM, such as accounting software, could never run properly anywhere else.

Is Linux kernel-level stuff (threads, forking, etc) sufficient to the realtime needs of larger IBM apps now? Or, perhaps these machines wont be used for those type of apps when running RH?

I am quite curious what folks do with this sort of a configuration in the real world.

Sidebar, I heard Sun converted all of their acctng apps to Solaris awhile (96?) back too. But I never heard much more about it.

Re:What about priorities and RT apps? (1)

jhines (82154) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622138)

IBM's classic servers where never known for true real time applications, just massive amounts of batch processing of lots of tasks. As opposed to say a fly by wire airplane system. And giving the payrol paycheck job stream enough resources to get done in time, and accounting for the resources used. I think a lot of this is going away with the lower cost machines, there is less need for accouting and prioritizing tasks.

I would think that Apache & DB2 goes a long way towards running modern applications.

Linux is IBM's holy grail, an operating system that runs across all their lines. Write once, and it runs on any IBM machine.

I wonder why the don't ... (1)

A_Non_Moose (413034) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622062)

make an IBM branded linux for these...

Then the could call it:

The seriesOS

(insert rimshot)

Actually it is not a bad idea..."the seriesOS, when you are seriOuS.

big blue + big red = (0)

Twisted Logic (21508) | more than 12 years ago | (#2622080)

big purple!

Re:big blue + big red = (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2622145)

You're just asking for someone to insert a goatse.cx link...

Hmm, just wondering... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2622102)

should this thread be considered the slashdot daily "bash microsoft" offering?
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