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More on LoTR Special Effects

michael posted more than 12 years ago | from the smoke-rings dept.

Movies 270

sushi writes: "Another LoTR article: this one focusing on the technology used at Weta Digital (the CG shop). Interesting that they are undertaking "major" R&D into running more Linux, and that Linux "delivers about two times the price performance compared to systems running proprietary operating systems". I've been lucky enough to have seen inside this place, and it's cool to see a render-wall of linux boxen. Full story from a New Zealand newspaper." We linked to another good article about WETA a month ago.

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fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645060)

heh....finally

We have to, uh, expel some urine. (-1)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645081)

Gun, check. Dollar sign bag, check. Powerbar, check. Alright let's rob this... bowling alley? Alright, whatever.

Re:fp (-1)

Retarded_One (518093) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645138)

What you meant to say was:

"Heh...A first post dedicated to the total destruction of all palestineans, finally!"

Thanks!

Re:fp (-1)

egg troll (515396) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645275)

Sadly the Palestinians are the true superior race on this planet. Someday we shall all be their slaves, so I advise you to cease your slanderous remarks before they dominate the world. They know who you are, and they're keeping a list. Beware.

Re:fp (-1)

Retarded_One (518093) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645321)

My favorite things about palestineans:

1)They live in squalid little refugee camps. Where as I pay high rent to have a townhouse in a trendy part of town, these puckish little fellahs don't mine sleeping in their own feces. Huzzah!

2)They are poor. REALLY poor. Why, I bet that if I were to go up to a palestinean and say, "Pardon me, Hafiz, but could I borrow $10?", he would just show me his empty pockets.
I myself keep $100-$200 on me at all times, but not the stalwart (and poor) palestineans!

3)Some of their babies die due to malnutrition. Here in America, we feed our babies. Breast feed, formula, whatever. But some of the palestineans don't. Hence, their babies die, early and often. Kudos to palestineans!

4)They are muslims. And since Islam is the only religeon to openly condonde beastiality (but only with sheep, mind you!), I have to give them props for this!

5)They throw things at soldiers, and are suprised when the soldiers shoot back and kill them. See, I would throw a rock at an armed man, and fully expect to get shot. But not our palestineans! Time after time, they fall for the old 'get shot' gag. What a sense of humor they have!

2nd (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645066)

this is for HD, you know who she is, dont ya!

"Chris Dibona" (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645068)

is Italian for "Chris, the Boner." That faggy wop!

Re:"Chris Dibona" (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645087)

Chris Dibona è un omosessuale ammesso. Egualmente ha sesso con gli animali. Lui suo un ragazzo omosessuale! E mangia i bambini!

Re:"Chris Dibona" (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645101)

Vaffanapolis!

Re:"Chris Dibona" (0)

/ASCII (86998) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645110)

Uno grande catedrale de la Milano!

Hello. My name is Otto. That means eight.

Re:"Chris Dibona" (-1)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645092)

Fucking pasta craving, guine mother fuckers.

What would be the best way to build this? (1)

mmol_6453 (231450) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645070)

Large array of boxen...Should one use bootp? Or just mount drives over NFS?

Re:What would be the best way to build this? (0)

abrink (153323) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645096)

You could actually use both for an interesting combination.

vs. Pixar (1)

abrink (153323) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645073)

How far along are these guys, as compared by lets say Pixar or some of the other well known CG shops?

Re:vs. Pixar (2)

90XDoubleSide (522791) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645148)

How far along are these guys, as compared by lets say Pixar or some of the other well known CG shops?

Pixar probably pushes more ultra-high resolution CG than any other house, and therefore they own one hell of a farm, athough they don't use much in the way of OSS. You can read about their latest hardware (purchased this spring) on Sun's site [sun.com] , basically they have 250 SunFire 3800's, with 8 750MHz SunSparc IIIs, 16GB of RAM, and 108GB of disk space each, plus some addtional disk space, for a total of 1.5THz processing power, 4TB of ram, and 27TB of disk space.

Re:vs. Pixar (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645280)

yeah and a bunch of Apple G4 Towers for the art work.

do you actualy think Jobs would let them work on any crapy X86 Machine?

News for nerds??? (0, Offtopic)

/ASCII (86998) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645074)

This is not news. It's pr0n!!!!

I'm skipping school for this movie (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645075)

Don't feel bad HS is a joke

Re:I'm skipping school for this movie (-1)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645121)

Nobody cares. Nobody feels bad. Perhaps you should stop prodding your anus with pencils and get that double-sided black dildo you got mom for christmas. Use it on yourself.

Imagine (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645082)

a beowulf cluster of cheese...

More nerd shit (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645098)

Nerds Nerds Nerds
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Lord of the Monty Potter Trek Wars 5
''

Moo

''

I'm a mother fuckin' COW BABY

"2k is our nominal working resolution" (-1, Informative)

Patrick McRotch (314811) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645100)

For those interested in the digital transfer mention in the article, "2k" and "4k" refer to the horizontal resolution of the scanned images: 2k means 2048 pixels per line, 4k means 4096 pixels.

The Imagica Imager XE digital film scanner mentioned has a maximum resolution of 4096x3112 pixels. It does a 2k frame scan from 35mm in 4 seconds and a 4k in 6-8 secs, counting speed to a remote disk via Fiber Channel or Gigabit Ethernet. It's about the size of a refrigerator [imagica.co.jp] and weighs 400kg. Heavy duty stuff.

--
"Well, to be realistick most Slashdot users have even less of a social life then me."
-CmdrTaco, 12/2/2001 Diary Entry [slashdot.org]

karma whore (-1, Offtopic)

Tyrant Chang (69320) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645185)

this post is karma whoring -

same post http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=23266&cid=2509 165 [slashdot.org] from previous story http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/11/01/131323 7 [slashdot.org]

except for the sig

Re:karma whore (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645188)

thanks so much for pointing that out! here's a cookie. now go find me some more whores.

ohmigod! DON'T CLICK LINKS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645200)

Don't click those links! It looks like it uses some kind of exploit to put the goatse.cx man on your slashdot user page. It also takes your moderator points if you have any. MOD PARENT DOWN!

BOXEN?!?!?! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645117)

BOXEN?!?!?!!? It's BOXES. What, are you trying to sound like some 1337 h4X0r or something? Good grief, drop the script kiddy crap in an attempt to sound "cool"

Re:BOXEN?!?!?! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645132)

no shit. that term is the lamest of all the lame /-speak. when i see it i instantly think of a large bovine animal with big horns pulling a plow.

Just out of curiousity.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645119)

Though they like to mention that they're running Linux in most of these sorts of articles, I have yet to hear what software they're using to do the actual rendering. Anyone know?

Re:Just out of curiousity.. (2)

RedWizzard (192002) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645219)

According to the article (you read the article?) they are using Linux on 40-50 workstations, primarily for Alias/Wavefront's Maya character animation software and Nothing Real's Shake compositing system.

Re:Just out of curiousity.. (1)

Dynedain (141758) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645308)

Although they are using Maya character studio on 40-50 linux boxes (by no means the majority of the machines used by the 225 person workforce) thats not what is doing the rendering.

Most likely, the server render farm is running a completely proprietary software that was developed in house. Most graphics houses the size of Weta have their own proprietary software. After all, thats how Blender [blender.nl] came to be, in house software for a Dutch graphics company that they decided to release to the general public. I know that Rythm and Hues (everything from Tron to you name it) in Los Angeles run SGI boxes with their own proprietary software that seems similar to Maya.

Where there's a whip... (0, Redundant)

A_Non_Moose (413034) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645120)

there's a way...

Should have Tux holding a wip on the side of each box.
Or Tux with an engraved ring as a "collar" of sorts.

From the article:This time next year, serious consideration of Weta's future will start.

The Hardware of the Rings


Can we call him "Lord of the Penguins"?

I loved this quote most of all:
As the facility's infrastructure becomes complete, being chief technical officer is more administrative and takes up less time, he says.


Certainly can't say the same about the NT boxen I'm in charge of...the Samba and web server on the other hand...

Just a thought.

Woes me. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645126)

My wife threw out my porn collection, my dog ran away, and I caught my son reading slashdot. Help! [adequacy.org]

LOTR... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645136)

sux. swe2:aotc will rule.

Stephen King, author, dead at 55 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645139)


I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

Stephen King, author... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645141)

has a beer and cheats on his wife.

Re:Stephen King, author... (-1)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645147)

maintains a steady cocaine addiction while getting smacked by cars on highways.

Price perfomance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645149)

Linux "delivers about two times the price performance compared to systems running proprietary operating systems".

Linux is free. It deliver's an unlimited price perfomance. The hardware that is running on has a limited price perfomance.

And to really troll: the period goes inside of the quote.

"Linux is only free if you're time is wothless" (2, Insightful)

autopr0n (534291) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645284)

Linux is free. It delivery's an unlimited price performance.

That's not true at all (actually you would say the price/performance ratio is zero if it were). I Linux takes time to install and get running. If you're just a student with some free time then it is free. But if you're running a company with pay by the hour, or actually has work for salaried employees, then Installing and running Linux does cost money. It may be less money then the cost of installing and running windows (even without purchase costs) but you can't just say that Linux has a zero price/performance ratio.

Re:"Linux is only free if you're time is wothless" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645354)

yes, hello.

No I can't say it has a zero Price/Performance ratio. I can say, and truthfully, Linux delivers it. It's up to the user to implement it.

But Linux does bring the zero Price / Performance to the table.

Re:Price perfomance (1)

Alan Partridge (516639) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645355)

does linux run good on thin air then? gotta get me one of those virtual machines!

Interesting, isn't it? (5, Interesting)

Astral Traveller (540334) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645150)

Linux has started to become the platform of choice for extremely complex and involved multimedia production, powering enormous render farms and video storage RAID arrays, yet still, Linux falls on its face for mundane day-to-day productivity work. Linux can render the incredibly lifelike texturing and animation exhibited in "Monsters Inc." and "Titanic", yet it can't even open a simple Word document without formatting errors. While delivering superior performance rendering these intensely detailed and hard-wrought movie scenes, Linux stills falls short of Windows when playing Quake. How did we get into this perplexing state of affairs?

I'll tell you why -- good old fashioned ego. Whereas the low end (kernel developers, compiler writers, etc.) and high end (clustering software, 3D modelling and rendering, etc.) of development is led by strong, well-organised teams of well-trained developers with vision and understanding, the middle ground of the Linux is polluted with warring egos that suffer too much from the problematic NIH (Not Invented Here) syndrome. There are a myriad of competing, mutually incompatible yet separately inadequate office suites (Star Office, KOffice, Applix,...), desktop environments (KDE, Gnome, XFCE, CDE, UDE, ROX,...), and X servers (XFree86, MetroX, XiG). We can't even decide [cups.org] on a [lprng.com] printing system [ghostscript.com] ! I realize that, according to Eric S. Raymond's famous "Cathedral and Bazaar" text, that open-source software is primarily written to scratch an itch and get peer recognition, but this is taking it too far. If all the man-hours poured into KDE and GNOME were combined into a common vision, we would have one perfect end-user desktop, instead of two poor imitations of Windows.

Don't give me the old "competition" argument either. There is only one Linux kernel, which seems to progress just fine without another competing project nipping at its feet and instigating flamewars. The endless KDE vs. GNOME, Applix vs. StarOffice, and other feuds have wasted more productivity than would be gained by and competitive drive.

I, for one, am somewhat miffed that while my operating system powers Hollywood blockbusters and NASA supercomputers, it still can't fully replace Windows on my office desktop. Linux is growing up; its users need to grow up with it, shed their egos and work towards the common goal of creating an excellent working environment.

Re:Interesting, isn't it? (0, Flamebait)

Afrosheen (42464) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645176)

Now see what happens when trolls are well-fed? They learn how to spell and make a critical argument! Oh the horror...the HORROR...

Troll? (0, Offtopic)

Astral Traveller (540334) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645187)

I'm serious. Why are you so small-minded and petty that you cry troll at the slightest provocation? I love Linux, love seeing it being adopted by IBM, the MPAA, Sony, and other big companies, but I'm also annoyed that it does all this flashy stuff while still not getting the basics right. I'm sorry if I offended you, but you need to grow up and be a little less closed-minded.

Re:Troll? (0)

abigor (540274) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645235)

It's not just ego. Projects with fun programming (the kernel, Gimp, etc.) attract a lot more attention than office suites and other "boring" apps. Office stuff is dull to work on (sorry, but it's true; scroll through the KOffice code sometime) and attract far fewer contributors. The open source model excels at commodity programming -- OSes, infrastructure, direct implementation of RFCs. But it has fallen short on things like games and applications (with some notable exceptions). Look at it this way: there are very good open source 3d engines (Crystal Space) and practically no good open source games.

My chosen desktop, the KDE, is great from a developer standpoint. There are so many nice, logical services and features, and it's object-oriented right down to the metal. It's a platform just waiting for applications: if (when) the commercial vendors jump on board, it will at least match the best mass-market desktops.

It really comes down to vendor support to supply those apps open-source developers won't. Once the Adobes, etc. jump in, the situation will change radically.

Re:Troll? (2)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645264)

commercial application developers will never make apps for KDE....at least most of them. Why? because of QT. yes it is a good tool kit, but most comercial vendors do not want to pay out the butt for a licence to make the app usable. hopefully Gnome will catch up to the level of KDE in terms of features an maturity, that way, lots of commercial ISVs will at least look into developing with GTK+

Re:Troll? (2)

JabberWokky (19442) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645315)

commercial application developers will never make apps for Windows....at least most of them. Why? because of MFC. yes it is a good tool kit, but most comercial vendors do not want to pay out the butt for a licence to make the app usable. hopefully Windows will catch up to the level of KDE in terms of features an maturity, that way, lots of commercial ISVs will at least look into developing with Qt and GPLed Qt.

--
Evan "Mr. IronyFish"

Re:Troll? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645364)

What license? MFC didn't cost me $1500. Get a grip.

Re:Troll? (2)

nomadic (141991) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645302)


Why are you so small-minded and petty that you cry troll at the slightest provocation?

They tend to do that when you make points that they can't refute logically.

Re:Troll? (2, Insightful)

The Milky Bar Kid (411137) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645304)

Why are you so small-minded and petty that you cry troll at the slightest provocation?

Possibly, because the link between 'suitability of Linux in Office aps' and 'use of Linux as a render farm for LOTR' was fairly tenuous.

And after you see so many Slashdot Stories turn into Microsoft v. Linux for SOHO users falme wars, you get a bit jaded.

Though if you wait about 10, 20 minutes, someone'll post a story about KDE, Gnome, OpenOffice, etc. where your post will fit in perfectly.

Also, you forget the rallying cry of the Linux coders (myself not included): if you don't like it, change it!

I'm also annoyed that it does all this flashy stuff while still not getting the basics right

That's an interesting point - many Linux advocates (myself included on this point) would say that Windows is the flashy one, and Linux gets the basics right. Basics like stability, security....

Re:Troll? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645332)

That's an interesting point - many Linux advocates (myself included on this point) would say that Windows is the flashy one, and Linux gets the basics right. Basics like stability, security....

You've obviously never used Windows 2000 or XP. Aside from IIS, these operating systems are both just as stable and secure as any Unix box, and often more so. Windows' ACL-based security is far more fine-grained and flexible than the aging Unix chmod-based access control. And with Interix or Cygwin, you even get a POSIX environment if you need it.

Re:Troll? (2, Offtopic)

mandolin (7248) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645324)

Why are you so small-minded and petty that you cry troll at the slightest provocation?

Fine, I'll bite. That's not slightest provocation. You offer one paragraph of barely on-topicness immediately sequeing into three paragraphs of rehashed rant.

Linux falls on its face for mundane day-to-day productivity work.

That depends on what you use it for doesn't it?

it can't even open a simple Word document without formatting errors.

StarOffice (you did say "simple" Word documents..)

Linux stills falls short of Windows when playing Quake.

Client benchmarks that I have seen are dominated by graphics card/driver combinations and as such are dependent on the card vendor. Indeed in the case of the matrox g200 I could actually *play* qIII linux while matrox sat on their asses and refused to release a working windows opengl driver for the longest time. People generally favor linux for quake servers.

If all the man-hours poured into KDE and GNOME were combined into a common vision, we would have one perfect end-user desktop, instead of two poor imitations of Windows.

My guess is we'd just have one "poor imitation of Windows" as you call it. The practical weakness in your argument is deciding whose vision should be followed.

Don't give me the old "competition" argument either. There is only one Linux kernel, which seems to progress just fine without another competing project nipping at its feet and instigating flamewars.

*BSD. To a lesser extent, Windows itself. And to a still-lesser extent, GNU/Hurd, which if everybody had swallowed their ego (and worked on it instead of that upstart Linux) probably still wouldn't be ready for prime time.

The endless KDE vs. GNOME, Applix vs. StarOffice, and other feuds have wasted more productivity than would be gained by and competitive drive.

These feuds are generally propagated by users such as yourself rather than the actual developers. As such, little productivity is lost.

I, for one, am somewhat miffed that while my operating system powers Hollywood blockbusters and NASA supercomputers, it still can't fully replace Windows on my office desktop.

Show me one instance where you have properly submitted a bug report/feature request for any of these office programs you need and I'll reconsider dismissing you as an opinionated parasite.

Sincerely, a fellow opinionated parasite

Re:Troll? (1)

Afrosheen (42464) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645348)

Hey, I call 'em like I see 'em. Funny that I got modded down as flamebait when your argument was completely offtopic.

Re:Interesting, isn't it? (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645268)

Hey, AT's a Yes fan, therefore opinionated but not trollish. :)

Re:Interesting, isn't it? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645293)

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-- The_Messenger

Re:Interesting, isn't it? (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645350)

Oh, you're soooo brave and clever, Ms. A/C Who Won't Even Post An Obfuscated Version Of Her Email.

BTW, not that it matters, but for the record I'm a "he."

Re:Interesting, isn't it? (0, Offtopic)

spencerogden (49254) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645231)

Two points, (Sorry for feeding the trolls)

First, who has the right approach, KDE or GNOME? Which system is better? If we don't know that it would be a mistake to devote all of our energy to one. Second, the kernel has no competition? What about BSD?

Re:Interesting, isn't it? (1, Offtopic)

Astral Traveller (540334) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645272)

(Sorry for feeding the trolls)

Don't be. I am not a troll, and am well-fed besides. :-)

First, who has the right approach, KDE or GNOME? Which system is better? If we don't know that it would be a mistake to devote all of our energy to one.

Well it should have been obvious from day one that KDE was the better target. GNOME was a hastily-thrown-together mishmash of whatever GPL programs were available at the time, put out solely for the purpose of avoiding the "corrupting" influence of Qt (a point which is moot today) and destroying KDE. KDE was and is planned out; detailed release schedules are maintained and are met more often than not, because everything being done to the core KDE framework is well-planned in advance. Can you tell me, with any certainty, when the next version of GNOME will be thrown together, and what improvements the new version will bring? (I'm sorry for sounding trollish, but GNOME really is a mess. What were they thinking when they decided to do everything in C? Why do I need to install 34 different packages with extremely fragile version dependencies in order to get it running?)

Second, the kernel has no competition? What about BSD?

The *BSD developers make no pretensions of competing with Linux; their development focuses most on its strengths as a server, router and general network bit-pusher. If they were attempting to compete with Linux, you would see more work put in towards implementing 3D support, low-latency patches and other multimedia enhancements Linux has been making great strides in. The fact is, 200FPS in Quake is worthless on a server, and they don't try to compete in this arena. BSD and Linux complement each other, they don't compete.

GNOME is just as good as KDE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645357)

I can't say that KDE is definatly better than GNOME. I actually much prefer GNOME myself. It looks better and runs much faster, since it's all coded in C. That's why it was coded in C: for efficiency. Nautilus does everything better than Konqueror, and has much nicer interface, and is only marginally slower than Konqueror.

Can you tell me, with any certainty, when the next version of GNOME will be thrown together, and what improvements the new version will bring?

They keep an impressive and well-maintained development summary [gnome.org] which should answer this question for you.

...of avoiding the "corrupting" influence of Qt (a point which is moot today)

No, this point is not moot, if you plan on doing any commerical develpments. Qt is GPL which requires that non-open-source developers pay big bucks in order to do development. GNOME libraries are LGPL and can be used freely by anybody.

I, for one, am glad that both KDE and GNOME exist, as one can choose whichever environment they like better. I prefer GNOME cause its freer and better, but KDE is good too.

Re:Interesting, isn't it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645243)

The technical skill & motivation of the 'users' is what makes the difference.

At the high end you describe there is a 'make it happen' attitude and a very high skill level.These people create tools to achive their outcome.

With desktops and office apps you are at the other end of the scale. People needing tools created by others to achieve someone elses outcome. Little motivation and a just-what's-required skill level are common traits.

There's your reason.

Re:Interesting, isn't it? (1)

gmack (197796) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645247)

This is the diffrence between somone porting their own apps and trying to emulate a file format that happens to be designed to provide it's authors with more leverage.

Do you know *anybody* other then MicroSoft that has maged to render MSword files corrently?

The StarOffice folks giving up and going with XML instead was the best idea they had in a long time.

Re:Interesting, isn't it? (2, Offtopic)

ChadN (21033) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645251)

And what have YOU, personally, done to help remedy this perceived problem, other than bring up this (oft repeated, and spurriously argued) point of view?

Opening a Word document is difficult, because it requires lots of reverse engineering, and many people do play Quake at roughly equal performance under Linux or Windows. XFree is popular because it is FREE, the others you mentioned are commercial (and with other advantages and disadvantages).

So, no, it really isn't all that interesting. It is a banal view point; if things aren't improving in your specific area quick enough for you, then do something about it (coding, guidance, money, bug fixing, bug reporting, whatever) It seems to me that YOU have the ego problem, expecting that everything should do exactly what you want.

Besides, you are WAY off topic.

Re:Interesting, isn't it? (3, Funny)

The Milky Bar Kid (411137) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645274)

Besides, you are WAY off topic.

No he isn't. Won't all these Linux Render Farms be used to animate Trolls?

Mod this up, and its parent down (1)

Crag (18776) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645353)

I was going to say the same thing as ChadN, but it would have been redundant. The post he replied to was redundant (in the context of Slashdot itself) and useless. It was neither interesting nor insightful.

Re:Interesting, isn't it? (2, Informative)

Carrott (62320) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645285)

Linux has started to become the platform of choice for extremely complex and involved multimedia production, powering enormous render farms and video storage RAID arrays, yet still, Linux falls on its face for mundane day-to-day productivity work.

A rendering application is fairly operating system independent. It only requires ANSI C level functions for opening the source files, crunching the data, and writing the output. There is a little bit of OS stuff for communication between nodes etc, but really nothing compared to making a wordprocesssor.

So if you have a Solaris or SGI renderfarm program, and you recompile it for linux, you quickly get a userbase of happy users who start wanting to run the modeller on this cheap hardware. So you port that too, which might not be that hard if it was coming from another unix.

Writing a spreadsheet that reads Excel files is more difficult than porting your own application which you know you can sell, for actual money.

Re:Interesting, isn't it? (2)

Pseudonym (62607) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645290)

Monsters, Inc was modelled, animated and lit on SGIs and final rendering was done on Suns. No Linux here (yet).

I think you meant Shrek.

Well. (2)

autopr0n (534291) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645306)

First of all, I don't think its fair to call what you're talking about 'Linux'. In the strictest sense Linux is just a kernel. But, even if you take the canonical meaning of "all the software that comes with my distro" you still can't really include the 3d software. That stuff is proprietary and expensive. It's well designed for the simple fact that people are paid to make it, and paid a lot of money (and they're a lot of competition in that arena as well)

And lets not forget that there are a lot of competing companies and products out there for high-end graphic synthesis. The difference is that they are in 'traditional' competition with each other, I mean, you could argue using the same logic that if all the major graphic companies merged and worked together you'd end up with something truly amazing, but I doubt that. I think you'd end up becoming stagnant. (and don't forget that these products aren't even Linux exclusives or open source. You can get a lot of these programs for windows or other UNIXs)

And there's another reason that we have competing standards, people have different visions for software, and since they're working for free, they are going to do what they want to do. Who knows of KDE people would be working on GENOME if there was no KDE or vise versa? How do you know it would result in a Super-gui and not some boring half-done shell whose developers are complacent in their lack of competition?

Re:Interesting, isn't it? (1)

bwindle2 (519558) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645344)

Yes, there may only be one Linux kernel.. but it's certainly not without competiton. You've forgotten about GNU/HURD, and the constant performace/feature comparisions to (Free|Net|Open)BSD.

Mixed Messages, Movies and Linux (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645345)

What's really weird about Linux in the film industry is that the business / distribution / promotion side of the industry would love to outlaw free software. (SSSCA, DMCA, etc.)

Meanwhile, the production side has realized that it is really useful and is wholeheartedly embracing it.

You have to wonder if sooner or later some pointy-haired boss at the MPAA is going to wake up and go "WHAT! We USE Linux!? We use that communist, anti-American.... Well that had better stop immediately!"

I wonder how the "copyright" industries will try to resolve this - they don't want regular people to have powerful tools like programmable PCs and free software. But they sure want to use free software to make movies.

Maybe they'll go for an approach of requiring "computer licensing" but only if you use "non-approved" software. Most people wouldn't care because most people just run Windows, and they wouldn't need a license. Only Linux users, software developers, and computer science students would have to get licensed.

Kind of like you need a license for a car, but not for a bicycle. (Or continuing the analogy, Windows XP == tricycle...)

Not to be Captain Obvious, but... (0, Funny)

plemeljr (250971) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645158)

The machine room has about 12 terabytes of storage, with about 20 terabytes in total at the facility.

Mr Labrie says working storage needs will probably hit 30 terabytes for the second and third films.


Holy shit that is a lot of pr0n!

Imagine... (1, Funny)

poundincludegeek (537320) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645159)

A bewoulf clus...oh wait. Never mind.

poundincludegeek

Re:Imagine... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645162)

you were saying? no, please, go on. i find it fascinating.

The History of LOTR - Tolkein would not approve (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645160)

HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF

+MONDAY MORNING+
Cmdr Taco: I will not suck any more dick ever again.
+MONDAY EVENING+
Cmdr Taco: *slurp* *slurp* *slurp*

+TUESDAY MORNING+
Cmdr Taco: I will not suck any more dick ever again.
+TUESDAY EVENING+
Cmdr Taco: *slurp* *slurp* *slurp*

+WEDNESDAY MORNING+
Cmdr Taco: I will not suck any more dick ever again.
+WEDNESDAY EVENING+
Cmdr Taco: *slurp* *slurp* *slurp*

+THURSDAY MORNING+
Cmdr Taco: I will not suck any more dick ever again.
+THURSDAY EVENING+
Cmdr Taco: *slurp* *slurp* *slurp*

+FRIDAY MORNING+
Cmdr Taco: I will not suck any more dick ever again.
+FRIDAY EVENING+
Cmdr Taco: *slurp* *slurp* *slurp* *slurp*

+SATURDAY MORNING+
Cmdr Taco: I will not suck any more dick ever again.
+SATURDAY EVENING+
Cmdr Taco: *slurp* *slurp* *slurp*

+SUNDAY MORNING+
Cmdr Taco: Today is the Lord's day.
+SUNDAY AFTERNOON+
Cmdr Taco: *slurp* *slurp* *slurp*

Amazing effect (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645170)


I'd like a filter applied to all movies that makes niggers appear white, and also makes them behave like humans instead of monkeys. That's where the real advancements will be. Hell, I wouldn't even mind if they did it on that gay faggot operating system Linux.

lord of the something (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645173)

http://flyingmoose.org/tolksarc/book/book.htm

"So you're going to go through with it, then," Gandalf the Wizard said
slowly.
"I am," Bilbo replied. "I've been planning this for a long time.
It'll give the Hobbits of the Shire something to talk about for the next
nine days - or ninety-nine, more likely. Anyway, at least I'll have my
little joke."
"Who will laugh, I wonder?" Gandalf mused aloud, scratching his
beard idly.

For weeks carts and caravans were coming from all over Middle-earth
to bring provisions for the Grand Old Party, as Bilbo referred to it.
Wagons of food from the Dwarvish mines at Erebor, shiny rocks from the
Sea-elves and fancy seductive packages from southern Mirkwood arrived
daily, making the neighborhood generally more crowded and cluttering up
avenues. Even those who hadn't said anything bad about Bilbo before were
starting to show their annoyance. "Mr. Bilbo Baggins is starting to get a
mite annoying," old Gaffer Gamgee grumbled, standing outside the pub.
"Queer goings-on, and no mistake. Why just yesterday a bunch o' pesky
Wood-elves dragged their cart right acrost my yard and ruined my taters!"
"A bunch of Men from Bree came to my place yesterday and tried to
sell me some aluminum siding," mused Old Noakes of Bywater. "They said it
was because they had extra after building that horrible Quonset hut over
the Party Tree, and they were trying to unload it. Strange folk
hereabouts."
"Yes, but it's good for the economy," sneered Bill Ferny, the local
banker. "A lot more money in circulation. Market's been doing well.
Unionization is down because of all the entry-level service positions
that are being created. Widening gap between the haves and have-nots,
don't you think? Good to find work for idle hands."
"And you don't know nothin' about anythin', Ferny," Gaffer Gamgee
snapped, echoing the popular community sentiment. "Mr. Bilbo Baggins is a
right bastard, as I've often said, and it's small wonder if trouble don't
come of him and his imperialist ways. The Revolution's a'comin', and it's
the likes o'you who'll be the first ag'inst the wall, so sayeth the
Lord." And with that he spat a well-aimed beer-nut into Ferny's glass.

At last the day of the Big Party arrived. Everywhere there was too
much to eat, and by midafternoon there were broken presents lying all
over the Shire attesting to the low quality of their manufacture. Gandalf
set off a series of fireworks later on in the day, including great
skywriting missiles and little flaming butterflies who took to wing,
sailed off into the Eastfarthing and burned all its trees to the ground.
The last firework sent up a great black smoke which took the shape
of a giant mountain of fire. A flicker could be seen of a giant dragon
sailing about its peak; after a moment the great dragon went sailing over
the heads of the crowd, causing great panic and consternation and six
outright heart attacks before imploding somewhere over the
Sackville-Baggins' neighborhood, causing considerable property damage
which was never properly repaired for generations afterward.
"That is the signal for supper!" Bilbo cried out to the survivors,
who were only partly mollified.
Later on, in the specially-designed quonset hut which Bilbo had
built especially for the occasion, all his friends and neighbors were
helping themselves to their third helpings of macaroni and cheese and
potato salad (the latter laced liberally with what Bilbo called the
"traditional secret ingredient", which while not actually a narcotic
still had unusual effects, the sum of which were still under scientific
inquiry in some circles), Bilbo stood up and motioned for quiet. "A
speech! A speech!" some of his neighbors cried out in fear.
My dear Hobbits! Bilbo began. There was much cheering at this,
as Hobbits on the whole are a rather egocentric lot, and anyway the
latest round of potato salad was beginning to kick in.
My dear Bagginses and Bracegirdles, Boffins and Borfledebees,
Casmits and Cantankerums, Fassbinders and Fazoolas, Wombats and
Wafflefoots. "WaffleFEET!" cried out an irate old man at the back, in
fact the very man who had earned the name when Bilbo's nephew Frodo had
accidentally dropped a hot waffle-iron on his feet some years ago. He had
borne the Bagginses no ill-will, since the settlement was quite generous.
Wafflefoots, continued Bilbo, oblivious. This is my nine hundreth
birthday! And though one million years is too short a time to have spent
with you all...
There was some muffled conversation throughout the hall, which Bilbo
took notice of. Well, on bad days it seems like a million years, he
explained. Anyway, though ten billion years is long enough to endure
from all of you, this is IT... I am GOING... I am leaving NOW...
GoodBYE! And with that Bilbo leaped up, tore all his clothes off,
scattering them about the astonished guests' heads, and ran from the
great Hut screaming and flailing his arms.
Young Frodo looked on in bemusement, refusing to answer questions
from the astonished crowd. Everyone knew, of course, that Bilbo was a big
man in the community. But - and Frodo looked at the crowd, particularly
noting the astonishment on old Lobelia's face - until now, nobody knew just
how big.

"Well! That's done!" Bilbo laughed, emerging from the bedroom at Bag
End freshly dressed. "You know, Gandalf, I've been wanting to do that for
as long as I can remember. Now I think this would be an excellent time to
leave the Shire, at least before they can all find their torches and
axe-handles. Everything stays with Frodo, as we promised."
"Including the Ring?" Gandalf asked.
"Well, yes, I suppose so," Bilbo replied. He pulled the Ring out
from under his cloak, where it hung on a fine golden chain Bilbo had
stolen of old from the Brandybucks. "Still, though, I kind of hate to get
rid of it."
"This seemed to me to be the only thing worthwhile about your whole
stupid plan," Gandalf said uncharacteristically. "Put it on the mantel
and walk away from it. It has got far too much hold on you. Let it go!"
"It's mine! And I shall keep it, I say!"
Gandalf raised himself up to his full height. Bilbo's hand reached
quietly for the hilt of his sword. "It will be my turn to get angry
soon," the wizard intoned. "Listen to me: you must give Frodo the Ring!"
Bilbo suddenly laughed. "Oh, that?" he grinned. "Well, of course
I'm giving him the Ring! I thought you meant the chain." Slipping the
Ring off the chain he set the circle of gold on the mantel without a
second thought. Then he slipped the chain about his neck. "I love this
chain. Stole it from old Matuseck Brandybuck back before he went senile.
Wouldn't part with it for love nor money. No, I don't give two flies
about the Ring. Nothing but trouble, that thing has been.
"Well, I'm off, Gandalf! I'm off on the road again, and not a moment
too soon by the look of that crowd down there." And taking an old
walking-stick from the stand by the door Bilbo went outside, taking a
path around the back of the Hill so he could leave unobserved, and as he
left he began singing a song quietly to himself:

While often by the door I lie
And look upon the mountains' feet
And think of rains and hikers' pains
And sleeping wetly in the sleet,

When darkness' cry does terrify
And wilderness encircles you,
And being food for goblins' brood
Is one choice, and starvation two;

Then staying home instead of roam
Will have a very great appeal!
Forego the Quest! And have a rest!
Let Dwarves and Elves and wizards squeal!

But since the Shire is filled with ire,
And all my neighbors fevers grip,
It's plain to see! I must agree!
The time has come to take a trip!

Hours later Frodo returned to Bag End, a little glad to have thrown
off the pursuit at last. He started at first to discover someone waiting
for him in the living-room, but sighed with relief when he saw it was
only Gandalf.
"Did he get away?" Frodo asked.
"He did," Gandalf replied. "And just at the last, for they were
getting ready to set after him with dogs. Luckily he doubled back at the
Three-Farthing Stone, as I recommended, or there would be a special
bonfire in Tuckborough tonight. Are you well?"
"Yes," Frodo replied. "I managed to convince everyone I was
uninvolved with the Hay Incident."
"Good," Gandalf said. He lit his pipe with a nearby candle and
looked at Frodo evenly. "He left things for you on the mantel. The deed to
Bag End, a signed statement saying you were only an unwitting accomplice
in the Bywater Incident, and-"
"The Ring!" Frodo said, looking at the mantel with astonishment.
"Has he left me that?"
"He has," Gandalf replied, "though you'll have to find a new chain.
But if I may counsel you in the use of your own - don't use it! Now or
later! It may have other powers besides quick and easy seduction."
"I can't believe Bilbo left me the Ring," Frodo gasped. "He used to
say that it and a bottle of Westfarthing Chinook was all you needed for
the perfect weekend."
"Well, lock it up someplace and stay away from it," Gandalf intoned.
"No Took-wives, no Elf-virgins, and no real estate deals. And no political
aspirations! In the morning I'm off to see if I can learn more about it.
In the meantime leave it unused until I return."
"I'll, uh, I'll think about that, all right," Frodo blurted, trying
hard not to think about the Ring and young Cassiopiea Took.
The next morning Gandalf left, leaving Frodo with only his thoughts,
his yearnings and a half-empty bottle of Westfarthing Chinook for
company.

CGI effects - the secret to good graphics (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645178)

They do it on a simple computer, so they don't have to worry about the technical crap and can concentrate on the aesthetic value.

Anyway, here is the simplest computer around, and the interface is perfect because we are all born with it - the interface is human DRIVE. The computer works like this: I stick my pee sprout in your mom's poop chute for 1, and I stick it in her pee hole for 0.

poop chute = 1
pee hole = 0

Sometimes I stick it in her mouth, but that is for parity.

Sometimes complex operations can take a long time to complete, but that's okay! We're looking for simplicity here, not speed. And waiting for this interface isn't that bad.

This simple computer is very susceptable to visuses. In fact, it comes pre-loaded with several.

For review:

poop chute = 1
pee hole = 0

This computer also fits into Microsoft's .Net strategy - namely, pay per use. It costs $10 per computation, or 15 minutes, whichever comes first.

poop chute = 1
pee hole = 0

The LOTR end credits music (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645184)

Weeelllll -

my cunt is a'drippin',
your lips are a'sippin',
my ass is a'crappin',
your mouth is a'lappin'

all that comes out of an oracifce
you eat for a main course-ifice
poop and pee, all a'yummy
Sitting proud inside your tummy!

Thank you, thank you very much. I'll be here all week. Tip your waitstaff.

Enya CGI effects for movie? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645190)

Here is my ass
Which you may kiss.
Take time and aim well
You don't want to miss.

For if you aim low
And your lips they do fall
Then you will find
You'll be sucking my balls.

If you aim high
Despite your true heart
Sucks to be you
Now you're eating my fart.

Thank you, you're too kind. I'll be in Vega next week. Please, tip your waitstaff.

say what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645201)

in the article it says that Gollum doesn't appeat until the 2nd movie?! i know for a fact in the book he was in the 1st part!!! dammit are they screwing around with this great book or what?

Re:say what? (-1)

Retarded_One (518093) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645212)

No, he wasn't in book one of the trilogy, except by mention. Perhaps you are illiterate or a palestinean, no?

Re:say what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645296)

perhaps.

or maybe your a jerk

Re:say what? (1)

istvandragosani (181886) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645256)

Actually, no, Gollum does not fully appear until the second half of _THe Two Towers_. He is seen briefly in a couple of scenes in FotR, but that's about it.

CGI with Maya on Linux (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645217)

With SGI's announcement that they are supporting Linux on the new Visual
PC does anybody know if Alias is going to port MAYA onto the Visual PC
but running Linux ? The MAYA renderer should be easy to port as it
requires no graphics capability.

I am thinking of setting up a MAYA render farm and my preferred
platforms would be the Visual PC running Linux. I am VERY wary of using
NT which has an appalling reputation for unstability, requires far more
support than Linux, is subject to multiple upgrades/service packs and
has VERY poor performance under load. Linux would provide superior
through-put, superb stability/reliability and also integrate very well
and easily into my otherwise SGI dominated setup.

Anybody else interested in a MAYA renderer port to Linux ?

Please do not reply if you are trying to tell me how good NT is - the
growth of Linux in comparision to NT tells me what I need to know - even
with Microsoft spending millions of dollars advertising NT its sales are
only comparable with Linux sales - virtually unadvertised compared to
NT.....

Re:CGI with Maya on Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645225)

Maya already runs on Linux. The renderer has been running on Linux for over a year.

AFAIK, SGI discontinued the visual PC line-overpriced and underpowered.

Re:CGI with Maya on Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645249)

The backend was ported, not the whole jazz. I wonder when that would happen. The SGI Visual PC is pretty alive on ebay (Good price too)

Re:CGI with Maya on Linux (2)

chabotc (22496) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645316)

'IAMAgfx dude' but isnt 'Alias Wavefront, Maya 3.0.1' for linux, what you are talking about ? check there site .. its been ported to, and available on linux for a bit now.

Re:CGI with Maya on Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645327)

He's talking about the new front end. And running it off on cheap (see EBay) SGI Visual stations. AFAIK, the frontends are crap and not working outside their studio. Their next update might fix this. Hopefully.

What happens to the old clusters??? (1, Redundant)

elem (411711) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645222)

In article [salon.com] on salon.com it says that they use clusters of around 1000 linux boxen, which they replace for every film... it take aprx. 2/3 years to make the film, so by the next film hardware has become more powerfull, so bye-bye old clusters, hello new ones.

What I would like to know is what they do to the old computers... I hope that they do things like donate them to local schools and the such, I know that for most applications it doesn't realy matter if you don't have this year's Pentium 54 with 5gigs of ram, but I would imagine that these machines are tricked out pretty nicely. Does anyone know what does happen to them?

1000 machines x $2000 = $2,000,000
Thats still cheaper than a bigname actor... shocking :)

Re:What happens to the old clusters??? (2)

supabeast! (84658) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645270)

Given the replaceable nature of the machines involved, they are probably all leased to provide WETA the most advantageous position possible from a federal tax break standpoint, after which they are probably returned to the owner who sells them to companies in developing nations at discounted prices.

Fat Pipe ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645238)

New Zealand seems like a strange place to have a computer effects facility - what`s the networking infrastructure like ? What methods do they use to shift their digital movies around the globe - satellite perhaps ?

Re:Fat Pipe ? (0)

The_Messenger (110966) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645299)

SheepNet.

Linux rendering farm (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645239)

It seems that since the days of the movie "Titanic", Linux has become
entrenched as a major rendering farm OS and is starting to move into the
workstation environment! Get it? Workstations ARE on the desktop! Remember
that it was the workstations were the Winvocates claimed the real work was
done! Seems Linux is continuing on it's course to become of becoming the
dominate OS in computer generated special affects in the movies!

http://www2.linuxjournal.com/lj-issues/issue88/4 80 3.html

A great quote:

"Some wonder how Linux will dislodge Windows on the desktop because leading
desktop applications such as Microsoft Office (Word, Excel and Access)
aren't there. But, if you are a motion picture animator most of your
everyday tools are already available on Linux, and the number being ported
or even produced specifically for Linux is increasing at a remarkable rate."

Seems that when the tools are ready, people are more than willing to
switch! Hell, there more than ready, they'll even developed their own tools!

"For character animation, a scan of a paper sketch is done using
ToonShooter. Production software lead Derek Chan explains, ``ToonShooter is
an internal tool we wrote for Linux. It captures low resolution 640 × 480
line art that the artists use to time the film.'' Created more than a year
ago, this Linux capture stand software is deployed in three animation
departments. Chan says, ``Demand was keen for this Linux software, and we
delivered it ahead of schedule. DreamWorks has 60 units in production
now.''

Hmmm, It all sounds like the work that winvocates claimed as the domain for
NT. Departmental changes in OS's. Could this be how Linux takes over the
desk top? One department at a time?

Ironic (2, Interesting)

gnarly (133072) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645254)

Weta is gathering material from its archives for use in The Fellowship of the Ring DVD release

Weta has a "major" research and development effort under way at the moment into running more Linux-based workstations.

Ironic that Linux was used to make this movie & DVD but Linux users would be prevented [slashdot.org] (in the US) from distributing the software to watch the movie.

Rendering HOWTO. 25 mins setup. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645265)

I have my system dual booted with win2k and Mandrake. I use win2k over
mandrake 10 to 1. Main reason is I am a graphics, web page designer and
photographer. Linux doesn't have anything close to PhotoShop, Freehand,
Illustrator, InDesign, Flash, Dreamweaver, Golive, Imageready, Fireworks,
Pagemaker, Premiere and many many many many many many other productive
software. Have any of you ever heard of high end productive software. You
should give them a try sometime. Don't tell me GIMP is the same as
PhotoShop. As a designer I have used them both and GIMP can't even compete
with PhotoShop version 1. Since my system is dual booted the exact same
hardware is used. Linux boots slower and programs load much much slower. The
general response of Linux GUI KDE or Gnome is much slower then w2k. Even
though I use Linux much less it has crashed and froze far more then w2k by a
factor of 5 to 1. My favorite Linux program is X kill. Using Linux is like
stepping back in time 10 years with its worthless freeware that does
nothing. Only reason why people use Linux is because it is a religion. No a
cult fed by false myths. Here is a Linux prayer that the cult prays. Oh
mighty Linux. You are the savior and deliverer from the evils of Microsoft.
We suffer though incompatibilities and poor software that can't do a damn
thing just to escape the overblown myths of Microsoft's evils. Please O
Linux God keep us in the closet. Let no one know that our systems are duel
booted with Windows (not Windoze morons). We have to duel boot so we can do
something. Please forgive us O Linux god for this but we need windows so we
can be productive. We still worship Linux though. I pledge O Linux god that
I will spread false lies and rumors about how great Linux is. I will lie
that Linux never crashes. It is just as good and easy desktop to use and
that even grandma can use it. I will spread the false rumors that office
star is just as good as MS Office and the GIMP blows away PhotoShop. I
pledge my life to you O Linux god, amen.

Re:Rendering HOWTO. 25 mins setup. (1)

Zontar The Mindless (9002) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645334)

Don't tell me GIMP is the same as
PhotoShop.
Okay, and I won't tell you that IIS is the same as Apache, either.

BTW, the "s" in Photoshop is lower case. And GoLive sucks almost as bad as FrontPage. And since when is MS Office highly productive?

Typical of someone who apparently thinks that web design consists of clicking widgets and drawing pretty pictures. Check this -- Linux is quite often the preferred OS of people who write those nice little pointy-clicky apps you enjoy so much.

[Sorry -- I know I oughtn't be feeding the trolls, I'm just in a pissy mood tonight. Note, however, that I'm not abusing my +1 for this.]

Re:Rendering HOWTO. 25 mins setup. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645356)

Sorry to point out, but Apache isnt Linux. Neither is it GNU. And you should know better than relate IIs to Apache. When your talking about GNU Linux, vs something, dont brign Apache into it. It's just lame.

Re:Rendering HOWTO. 25 mins setup. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645362)

BTW, The 'p' in Frontpage is in lower case. Sorry to be anal, you started.

BLING BLING (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2645289)

Insight@Home be representin', yo! We be all up in dis biznatch, dawg! Dem honky mofos sho nuff doan cut off my ax-ess, W3RD!!!!

GIVE IT UP HOMESLICES!!! Can I get a WHAT! WHAT from all you @Home mofos up in dis bitch like pancakes?????

W3RD TO YO MOMMA!!!!

LotR Topic (2, Insightful)

heptapod (243146) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645295)

Star Wars has a topic, why not LotR? Steve Jackson's already rubbed the Linux community's collective johnsons hard enough because of the special effects developed on your beloved operating systems and for the simple fact that nearly every "nerd" has read Tolkein's saga.

Isn't this enough to merit a topic already or will LotR continue to play second fiddle to the increasingly mediocre Star Wars franchise?

What rendering software are they using? (3, Interesting)

Ryu2 (89645) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645298)

The two articles didn't say. Are they using PRMan, or something else? Or are they using their own proprietary renderer, a la PDI/Shrek?

Massive (3, Insightful)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 12 years ago | (#2645337)

Weta crowd supervisor Stephen Regelous has created software, dubbed Massive, that creates realistic crowds. Every individual in the crowd moves in response to stimulus such as terrain, and to the actions of others. The battles in The Return of the King will see hundreds of thousands of these intelligent agents in frame at the same time, Mr Labrie says, stretching the software to its limits.

Aside from the impressive technological feat, imagine looking forward to the day when effects like these are availble for Gaming Engines.

Imagine Quake IX out in an open plane of battle with literally hundreds of thousands of soldiers and other things out there all at once.

I am reminded of something similar to the weekend dogfights/lanparties at the Airforce Academy, but with a much larger field of action.

[smile]

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