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3G Network Coming to America

CmdrTaco posted more than 12 years ago | from the catching-up-with-the-times dept.

Technology 268

Not2Bryt64 writes: "Reuters has a story about Cingular building a nationwide 3G network. According to Cingular it 'will deliver mobile users data at rates of up to 470,000 bits a second -- fast enough to watch video clips over phones.'" I just hope it doesn't mean that we have to see more annoying Cingular commercials. But I want my video cell phone!

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Communist! (-1, Offtopic)

buzzbomb (46085) | more than 12 years ago | (#2647935)

What's the matter, Taco? Don't you believe in self expression?

Re:Communist! (-1)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 12 years ago | (#2647945)

Zionism is racism. Death to Israel.

Re:Communist! (-1)

October_30th (531777) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648100)

GWB has given Sharon a go-ahead signal to do whatever they want.

This can only mean that it's a question of time when Israel will start her own version of the 1940s "final solution". What the heck? They're already occupying land and torturing men, women and children. Why not go ahead with a full fledged genocide while you're at it?

The mess the genocidal Sharon has single-handedly made of the peace process would be funny if people weren't acually dying because of it.

Patriotism is a virtue of the vicuous

Eat my shit (-1)

Guns n' Roses Troll (207208) | more than 12 years ago | (#2647942)

Fuck you and your subnet bans. Right up the ass.

Re:Eat my shit (-1)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 12 years ago | (#2647977)

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Description: The thread tried to read from or write to a virtual address for which it does not have the appropriate access.
Access address:FFFFFFFF was read from.
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Hmm (-1, Redundant)

headchimp (524692) | more than 12 years ago | (#2647955)

Wonder if I can watch Pron with that thing.

who cares about video cell phones? (2)

turbine216 (458014) | more than 12 years ago | (#2647971)

video on your cellphone be damned...

The one thing that 3G is going to do for me is FINALLY provide a decent wireless service for my PDA that i can pay for along with my cell phone.

hardcore(off-topic, i know) (1)

Transient0 (175617) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648018)

As a fellow techie/punk-rocker I can't help but feel inclined to find the irony amusing in the combination of a "hardcore" .sig-line and a comment complaining about unreliable and low-bandwidth wireless support for PDAs(Personal Damnation Accessory).

No Offence meant, really. Just one of those cheap observational humour things.

as a rude techie/punk-rocker, i'd like to add... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2648065)

...that "Project:Lockdown" is a fucking retarded name, just like 99% of stupid hardcore bands. could you think of anything *less* original?

anyone with a dick would have moved on from hahdcaw in like 1995.

Re:as a rude techie/punk-rocker, i'd like to add.. (-1)

October_30th (531777) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648132)

Don't be to hard on him.

You see with people inventing names such as the PR-disaster "Carnivore", Orwellian "Office of Homeland Security" and just absurd "Patriot Act", it's hard to be original.

Re:as a rude techie/punk-rocker, i'd like to add.. (-1)

Dead Fart Warrior (525970) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648173)

I live in Cincinnati (Anderson Twp, actually), heard his band.

Lemmie tell you, hearing it makes your ear burn!
They try to be intelligent, yet play like retards. Rage Against the Machine wannabes.

Excellent (1)

llamalicious (448215) | more than 12 years ago | (#2647974)

Now, just add Mandrake Gaming edition, Quake3, a little water and mix well.

So how's the latency on this type of connection...?

First goatse.cx post! (-1, Offtopic)

Faulty Dreamer (259659) | more than 12 years ago | (#2647976)

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on the fifth day of christmas (3, Offtopic)

Transient0 (175617) | more than 12 years ago | (#2647980)

my true love bought for me:

five video cell-phones
four sega dreamcasts
three thinkgeek shirts
two copys of The Hobbit*
and 2.4.15 on a CD

*One copy to read, another to keep under the mousepad for luck.

Re:on the fifth day of christmas (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2648026)

Drink coffee before attempting humor -- writing or reading...

caffeine-free humour (1, Offtopic)

Transient0 (175617) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648096)

i agree. my apologies. I officially refuse any responsibility if people foolishy mod this up for funny.

Re:on the fifth day of christmas (1)

hoggoth (414195) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648192)

>two copys of The Hobbit*
> *One copy to read, another to keep under the mousepad for luck.

Don't you mean:
One copy to read, one copy to find them,
One copy for luck and under the mousepad bind them.

So how long... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2647981)

... till the USA catches up with the rest of the world for mobile telecoms?

3G vs. 3GIO (1)

Fucky Badger (535691) | more than 12 years ago | (#2647983)

I heard that the EM radiation from Intel's new 3GIO bus interferes with 3G wireless devices. Intel has therefore been blocking the introduction of 3G wireless in the US.

Is there any truth to this rumour? thanks ok bye

That is one of the dumbest things I have ever read (0)

bytes256 (519140) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648098)

I heard that the EM radiation from Intel's new 3GIO bus interferes with 3G wireless devices. Intel has therefore been blocking the introduction of 3G wireless in the US. Even for a slashdot post...that's pretty stupid!

Even if it does interfere with 3G devices, Intel doesn't have the kind of power to block introduction of 3G.

So what? (4, Insightful)

nbvb (32836) | more than 12 years ago | (#2647985)

As long as wireless providers insist on keeping the idea of a "mobile phone" then this is useless.

Watching movies on my phone is dumb -- I'd rather watch them on my home theater or in a real movie theater.

Reading/writing email on my phone is dumb -- I'd rather do that on something with a _real_ keyboard, thanks.

If we can make wireless devices that actually have a _use_ (think wireless Newton), then maybe we're getting somewhere.

If I can read my email comfortably and actually _write_ a response (pressing 4433555555666 just to write "hello" is unacceptable!!) then I might have a use for it.

Of course, none of this matters since 3G doesn't work anyway.

Think OUTSIDE the box, please. (5, Interesting)

tswinzig (210999) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648093)

Watching movies on my phone is dumb -- I'd rather watch them on my home theater or in a real movie theater.

Reading/writing email on my phone is dumb -- I'd rather do that on something with a _real_ keyboard, thanks.


Relax, their will be PC/PCI cards that use 3G technology to provide you with internet access just like your ethernet and WiFi cards today.

If we can make wireless devices that actually have a _use_ (think wireless Newton), then maybe we're getting somewhere.

The SprintPCS Visor phone springboard module [sprintpcs.com] actually has built in support for 3G, so that when sprint turns on their 3G support (now in testing), the visor phone will be ready for it. (Although it only supports the lower ISDN-like speeds of 3G, which is what Sprint PCS will roll out first.)

In fact, I daresay Sprint PCS is closer to rolling out 3G than Cingular, since they already have an all digital CDMA network laid out across the nation, and have been testing 3G for quite some time.

http://www.sprintpcs.com/aboutsprintpcs/Cdma_3g/ in dex.html

Re:Think OUTSIDE the box, please. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2648131)

Think outside the box?

People who use that term should be beaten.

Re:So what? (2)

KarmaBlackballed (222917) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648114)

If we can make wireless devices that actually have a _use_ (think wireless Newton), then maybe we're getting somewhere

See the Treo from Handspring (www.handspring.com). The wallstreet journal reviewed it last week and loved it.

Add high G3 bandwidth to it and presto -- awesome mix! PS - Usable like a Newton? Who do you know that actually used that brick for anything on a regular basis? Usable like a palm device I can understand.

Re:So what? (1)

pommaq (527441) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648119)

Nobody says you gotta use your phone to type e-mail. Most probably the biggest use we will have for UMTS internet is with laptops (via bluetooth of course ;)) but being able to send video or photos via your phone might also catch on and become every bit as popular as SMS.

I'm sure that the late-night SMS messages i get from friends every goddamn saturday will some day be replaced with pictures of my drunk friends mooning me :)

Re:So what? (5, Insightful)

Cutriss (262920) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648151)

Well, I think you probably know the whole reason that wireless providers in America are doing this: $$$

In Asia, wireless devices are utterly *booming*. They're functional, stylish, and most importantly, useful. Companies over here see how much our youth and tech-savvy individuals respect and revere the wowing technology and products they have over there, and figure that they can give us some knock-off crap and we won't know the difference. The problem comes from the fact that Asians have long had exposure developing and using handheld devices like what are sold overseas. Here, with the solid exceptions of the Psion/Palm/Newton devices, nobody likes handhelds. Take a look at how many people like those little Casio organizers - They're cheap $30 plastic devices that break in no time. They reek of feature creep, and their PC connectivity it pathetic - Output to a CSV file? You're kidding, right? Marketers just don't have a clue about the American audience of personal/home technology buyers compared with the eastern markets.

Unfortunately for them, we're a lot smarter than they think we are, so we won't fall for it. Unfortunately for us, though, the odds are reasonably good that it'll get crammed down our throats whether we like it or not (Anyone try to get service for a Motorola Lifestyle analog cellphone these days?). At the end of our contracts, they'll transition us all to the stupid new phones they'll make, and they'll declare 3G a success because millions of people use it, regardless of the fact that they were forced into it.

Re:So what? (2)

FallLine (12211) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648175)

Although I agree with you with most of your skepticism about the worth and importance of 3G, having used Blackberry (not a cell phone, I know) I must say that I find it _very_ nice. It's not a "thumb" keyboard, not "real", but still quite effective and painless. I can write 30+ wpm comfortably, enough to make the service very worthwhile in my opinion. I suspect I might find the Handspring Treo to be equally useful and in a better configuration (e.g., fewer devices).

Of course, none of this requires 3G. However, I do think that having the ability to get at least a 56k connection _reliably_ has a great deal of potential. Much past that point I do not see any obvious utility other than perhaps for mobile laptops, certainly not enough to justify spending inordinantly more for 2-3G level service.

Re:So what? (1)

TomQ (20220) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648202)

This is the problem with the US being so far behind the rest of the world. For me (Europe) where text messaging is _very_ popular, I just type 43556 for hello!
3G however is pointless unless _ALL_ the world is on one standard. I hate going to the states and having to leave my phone behind.
tom

Re:So what? (2, Interesting)

Frac (27516) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648253)

My friend was vacation in Japan over the summer. While visiting an aquarium, he saw someone pointing his DoCoMo phone at the fish. Turns out he was using the built-in camera to take snapshots of the fish, so his friend on the other side of the conversation can see what he was looking at. Given that it was pre-3G when he was there - now, the same person would probably be watching a live video feed of the fish instead.

Watching movies on my phone is dumb -- I'd rather watch them on my home theater or in a real movie theater.

How big is your home theater again? Can you fit that in your pocket?

No one said they're showing feature films on the phones. Is this the ONLY application you can think of for movies?

Given that some applications can be frivolous, there are plenty of people that are using such "extrataneous features" in socially-enriching ways. Just because you're too boxed up in your "I need a real keyboard or home theater" mindset, don't speak for the rest of us.

Is that bandwidth per user? (5, Informative)

color of static (16129) | more than 12 years ago | (#2647986)

Most of these wireless solutions bandy about large bandwidth numbers, but never give break downs of actual usage scenarios. I imagine that this is the bandwidth in a cell or for optimal loading scenarios. If so, then I can see only getting old modem speeds in the average cell in a metropolitian area.

Shared bandwidth maybe effecient for the carrier, but it can really bite for the user.

You're dead. (-1)

Guns n' Roses Troll (207208) | more than 12 years ago | (#2647987)

Yeah. Huh? Huh? Huh? (I'm) faster than you, you fuckin' son of a...I saw you comin', you fuck, shitheel. I'm standin' here. You make the move. You make the move. It's your move. (He draws his gun from his concealed forearm holster.) Don't try it, you fucker. You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? (He turns around to look behind him.) Well, who the hell else are you talkin' to? You talkin' to me? Well, I'm the only one here. Who the fuck do you think you're talkin' to? Oh yeah? Huh? OK. (He whips out his gun again.) Huh?

Listen you fuckers, you screwheads. Here's a man who would not take it anymore. Who would not let...Listen you fuckers, you screwheads. Here's a man who would not take it anymore. A man who stood up against the scum, the cunts, the dogs, the filth, the shit, here is someone who stood up. (A close-up of his diary entry, "Here is," is followed by three erratic dots.) HERE IS --- (He draws his gun.)

You're dead.

Re:You're dead. (-1)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648020)

oooh ugh powaghj you realy hurted meh.

Re:You're dead. (-1)

Guns n' Roses Troll (207208) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648051)

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Wireless video? (1)

jimbo3123 (320148) | more than 12 years ago | (#2647989)

3G is cool and all, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that it will enable wireless video on demand.
That is something that I'm still waiting for in the wired world.

So now (5, Funny)

wiredog (43288) | more than 12 years ago | (#2647991)

Instead of just talking on their cell phones while driving, they can watch video on their cell phones while driving. Oh joy. [ddjembedded.com] Oh rapture. Oh ecstasy.

Re:So now (-1, Flamebait)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648050)

I'm sick of people bashing people who talk on their phone while driving. Anyone who gets distracted talking on the phone while driving is a complete moron. These people shouldn't be allowed to drive period, there is no reason to punish people like me who can carry on a conversation and not lose my focus. What, pray tell, is the difference between carrying on a conversation ovr a cell phone and carrying one on with the person beside you? I really don't see how it can be any more distracting. It's ludicrous.

Re:So now (1)

The_Unforgiven (521294) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648077)

Pehaps because in a normal conversation, you don't have to dail, worry about airtime, check battery, use a hand to hold the phone, etc, etc, etc...

You might be able to do it effectively, but most can't.

Re:So now (-1)

October_30th (531777) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648200)

you don't have to dail, worry about airtime, check battery, use a hand to hold the phone, etc, etc, etc...

Jesus Christ! Do American versions of cellphones suck that much?

Ever heard of inexpensive roaming, Li-ion batteries and hands-free options?

Re:So now (3, Insightful)

buzzbomb (46085) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648099)

I really don't see how it can be any more distracting. It's ludicrous.

That's because you don't seem to be what 90% of the people in this country are: idiots. These are the same people that don't know how to merge, drive 50mph in the left lane and read books/newspapers while rolling down the road at a high rate of speed. Should they have licenses? Probably not...but what are we gonna do about it?

Re:So now (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2648107)

It's just media spin, plain and simple. If we're to believe what they say, then radios should be banned from cars too. Not just the loud ones where you can hear Snoop Dawg from 5 miles away, Paul Harvey too. ALong those same lines, does Road Rage really exist? Or was it just concocted by the media too?

Re:So now (-1)

Dead Fart Warrior (525970) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648153)

Anyone that doesn't see the difference between talking to someone in the passenger seat, and talking to someone on a cell phone is a bigger idiot than those who can't drive while on the cell phone.

Man, stop adding to the conversation! IT HURTS!

Oh No You Can't (2, Informative)

Tim Ward (514198) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648061)

You get the high bandwidth quoted only when stationary next to a base station. If you're driving the bit rate drops to well below anything you'd want to use to watch video.

What? (-1)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 12 years ago | (#2647994)

Stars and Stripes forever, or the hammer and sickle flying, wickedly triumphant, over U.S. [rotten.com] soil?

So (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2647997)

Voice Stream already has a 3G network in the US. It's called iStream. VoiceStream website [voicestream.com] for more info.

Some more information about 3g networks... (1)

nll8802 (536577) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648002)

There is some good information about 3g networks here [3gnewsroom.com] .

I am so sick... (4, Interesting)

tswinzig (210999) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648005)

...of the primary 3G usage example being "watching video over your phone."

NO ONE is going to watch video over a phone for long periods of time, even if the battery could handle it.

However, how would you telecommuters like to be able to work from ANYWHERE in the world without sacrificing your high-speed, always-on connection to the internet?

IT is a cool invention, but 3G really could change the world.

Re:I am so sick... (1)

NineNine (235196) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648076)

However, how would you telecommuters like to be able to work from ANYWHERE in the world without sacrificing your high-speed, always-on connection to the internet?

I would love it. But a little 3G phone is useless for that. What I need is a giant pool of normal cell phone minutes, and pipe that through my laptop. THAT would be useful. This 3G stuff is good for kids in school who like to play, but not for work.

Re:I am so sick... (5, Insightful)

moonboy (2512) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648219)



Surely you don't think that video over a mobile phone is being pushed merely to watch movies.

Please!!

The reason for video over a phone is simply to improve communication (oh and of course to show you advertisements so the companies can make more money ;). With "video phones" another dimension will be added to distance impaired personal communications. Actually seeing the person you are talking to (their facial expressions) is what makes face-to-face communication so desireable, but when that is not possible, video-phones will be the next best thing.

I work for a broadband provider and one of the big products being developed is video conferencing over an IP/VPN. People want to see the people they are talking to. It's the next logical step after standard voice communications.

Check out this article [usatoday.com] at USAToday [usatoday.com] . See the small picture. There is a small video camera in the hinge of the phone. This is what video phones will/should be used for. Not movies.

Re:I am so sick... (2)

Cutriss (262920) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648220)

However, how would you telecommuters like to be able to work from ANYWHERE in the world without sacrificing your high-speed, always-on connection to the internet

I'm not sure about this, but how does 470,000 bps pare up between upload and download speeds? Is it 460,000 bps download, and 10,000 bps upload? Download speeds are useless for two-way communication if the upload speeds don't come reasonably close.

3g and Ipv6 (2, Interesting)

iritant (156271) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648007)

It's unfortunate that we do not yet have a good ipv6 routing model (it's roughly the same as ipv4, which has serious multihoming scaling problems), since these guys are now going to deploy this stuff in h/w. It gives companies like Cingular the excuse to keep their networks private.

As for video on my cell phone, the cell phone has a form factor designed for a human hand. So far as I know there is no plan for a human hand upgrade ;-)

Re:3g and Ipv6 (1)

chess (40930) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648140)


Ask those Ericssons and Nokias, they do need IPv6 badly. If it were not them, those fixed line lamers would do with IPv4 and NAT forever.

chess

Awash in Cash (1)

The Gardener (519078) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648009)

Ericsson's share was likely to be over $2 billion, Nokia's "well over" $1 billion and Siemens' worth $600 million, indicated the upgrade that Cingular initially said was worth $3 billion was closer to $4 billion.

I wonder where they're getting the funding for this outlay? For four billion dollars, someone sure believes in 3G.

The Gardener

PR Stunt (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2648017)

This is just a publicity stunt to try to get a stock pop before year end. If it was easy to do it would have been done already and there is no way a consumer market will pay for such a build out. They will also only build on in very limited high density markets.

blah blah blah, we'll never see it

The good, the bad and the ugly. (1)

CaptIronfist (457257) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648022)

Who thinks this is good: Telemarketers.
Who thinks this is bad: Me.
Who thinks this is ugly: Phone companies.

This is not how we do it!

A bit of convergence... (2, Insightful)

BluePenguin (521713) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648028)

You know, an improved wireless back bone is in all our interests... Think about the speed offered by 3G with a link for your PDA (drool). Lately I've been seeing cell phone game competitions (best Snake score anyone?), but wouldn't it be interesting to see a shooter on your cell phone? (Odd twist to lan gaming eh?)

OTOH, this could suffer a catastorphic death to high cost and a perception that it's a fad. Witness the trouble going on with @Home. If high speed internet for a traditional internet market is floundering... who's going to jump on the band wagon for high speed Cell Phones?

the future is here. fuck it. (0)

Frothy Walrus (534163) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648029)

while it's nice that people now have the option of watching movies on the 1" LCD of their cell phone anytime they want, i lay the odds 10000:1 that this technology will genuinely enrich anyone's life.

don't get me wrong -- it's great when things get faster and smaller and cheaper. i just think that the "transforming power of technology" often brings not a step forward, but just a hard step to the side.

Let's hope they use the same 3G standards ... (2, Insightful)

Tim Ward (514198) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648030)

... as the rest of the world, and use them across the whole country.

Then we'll no longer have phones that work in only 199 countries of the world, we'll be able to get ones that work in the USA as well, and no longer be in a communications black hole when travelling to the States!

(For making voice calls, that is. Of course nobody wants video clips or other advertising on their phone.)

Re:Let's hope they use the same 3G standards ... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2648154)

Actually, most of North America will probably go with IS2000 (a 3G standard), which is backwards compatible with IS95 (current 2G CDMA).

Most of Europe will probably go with UMTS, which isn't compatible with anything (uses similar frequency allocations of GSM, but a GSM phone won't work on a UMTS network).

An exception to this will be AT&T, which is likely going with UMTS in North America.

UMTS and IS2000 are (as far as I know) completely incompatible (although both are CDMA, TDMA is dying).

Cingular Ads? Could be worse... (1)

thesolo (131008) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648031)

I just hope it doesn't mean that we have to see more annoying Cingular commercials.

Could be worse, it could be Verizon setting up this network. Then you'd have James Earl Jones playing bass with a fake goatee, trying to show you the quality of streaming Pr0n through the Verizon network.

gaza strip attacked (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2648032)

Nice diplomatic touch from israel.
And Bush says "israel has the right to defent itself".
Man, go ahead, justify everything using the word "terrorism"!
Let's not worry about the word "occupation" though.
Nice president you guys have, he must be so happy he can play war and peace.

Can you imagine? He must have done a pact with the devil to get all this stuff going, he can be popoular, he can play with the army and he can solve the palestina problem the way he always wanted to.

- "Sure man nuke palestina, it's on me, i'll cover your ass with the war-on-terrorism thing".

Thank you.

3G means: (1)

gerardrj (207690) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648034)

Growing number of advertisements on your device
Greater ability for telcos to track your every move
Grief when your higher airtime bill arrives.

Costs (5, Informative)

osiris (30004) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648037)

I dunno about the states, but here in the UK 3g mobile networks have basically hurt the phone companies really bad financially. The government put up the 3g licenses for auction and the top 4 mobile companies paid something like a combined 60billion ukp for them. And that doesnt include actually building the network.

Plus, some pundits have already slated it as doomed as the current networks are already vastly popular with relatively cheap phones. It would have to take a big incentive for most people to get rid of their cheap gsm phones and move to 3g ones. Because chances are, they are gonna be expensive so the phone companies can actually try to break even. Its gonna take em a long time though...

However, considering that the states isnt all gsm already, i hope your 3g network gets sorted properly.

Verizon (1)

fsterman (519061) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648042)

When is verison moving to a 3G network? No one there knows about 3G or 2.5G or anything, not even tech assistance. And there comercials are much more annoying

Re:Verizon (2)

nbvb (32836) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648069)

It's in the works. That's all I can say.

Just bear in mind that VZW is betting the farm on voice still. Smart business plan, actually.

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Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2648043)

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WorldWideMobile (2)

Marcus Brody (320463) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648044)

For me, the most interesting point is that the US will be adopting 3G (to some extent). This means 3G will be present in US, Europe and Japan. With mobile devices becoming increasingly important, this can only be a good thing.

(arguably a bad comparison:-)
Would the internet be where it is today if the US used IPv6, Europe used IPv4 and Japan used IPv7 ?

hehehe (2)

niekze (96793) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648055)

Let's just hope they handle their money a little better than @Home.

@Home today, Gone Tommorrow.

There's no place like @Home...or is that there's no place for @Home.Oh well.

Re:hehehe (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2648135)

...or maybe you can't go @home again.

Re:hehehe (1)

blues5150 (161900) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648231)

Yeah....@Home's downfall was partenring with that life-sucking portal Excite.

Cell Phone, Schmell Phone (2, Insightful)

ArthurDent (11309) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648059)

Can I hook one of these up to my laptop and get broadband wireless internet? That's the Killer App (tm) for this technology IMHO at least in the short term.

Ben

Any hope the quality of a voice call... (3, Troll)

sphealey (2855) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648060)

Any hope the quality of a voice call will go back to where it was in 1980 (in North America, anyway)? I am constantaly amazed at (a) just how bad the voice quality of digital cellular is [yes, dropouts count as "poor quality"] (b) how willing people are to pay for such bad quality.

sPh

Re:Any hope the quality of a voice call... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2648184)

Yes, you have an increased data rate = better quality, and the protocol uses different fading correction interleaving that should help pedestrian users as well.

Re:Any hope the quality of a voice call... (1)

blues5150 (161900) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648198)

I only wish I had moderator points to mod your comment up. This is the most insightful comment yet. None of the other posts seem to key in on the fact that the exsiting quality of service is poor. Wait until phones are capable of digital in the US through 3G, you'll probably end up with "network congested" messages flashing on your 1 inch screen! Fix what's wrong with the existing technology. Let's not do everything so half-assed.

here here (1)

Mdog (25508) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648236)

That's exactly the reason I don't have a cell phone. And another thing to add to the "poor quality" is the fact that digital signals seem to get the shit compressed out of them...if they could quadruple the bit rate....

Unfortunately I think it makes better business sense to put 4 times as many ppl on.

Digital Static (2)

peterdaly (123554) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648062)

As long as their Digital Wireless network around here still has static for phone calls, I won't be impressed with them. 3G has potential, but I don't think american companies will be able to make much out of it. They don't understand their real market.

Nextel's got a partial clue, but they still have some major lessons to learn.

-Pete

Sounds like a start (but:What's the deal w/clips?) (3, Interesting)

McNally (105243) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648063)

Sounds like a fantastic start, but I want to know more. In my opinion, speed is only one of the major variables in the wireless networking equation. It balances against cost, coverage, and openness. A high speed, reasonable cost, general purpose network with nationwide coverage would be a dream come true. A high speed, high cost, proprietary network that only works in major cities doesn't interest me much.

As an aside, though, am I the only one who wonders about the weird fixation cellular network planners seem to have with video clips? Honestly, if you asked me the top 25 things I'd want to do with a high-bandwidth portable personal communications device it wouldn't even occur to me to put "watch video clips" on my list. Am I the one who's out of touch here, or are they?

Re:Sounds like a start (but:What's the deal w/clip (1)

McNally (105243) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648097)

Heh.. In the two minutes it took me to read the article and post, about thirty other people responded first with comments bashing the idea of video clips being a sane application for this technology. I guess I'm not the only one!

Cingular commercials.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2648064)

Aren't as bad as Sprint PCS commercials. Come on...Captain and Tenille? Flouring kids? It wasn't even funny the first time. And that Matrix-looking dude in the trenchcoat HAS to go!

It is not _that_kind_ of 3G (4, Informative)

chess (40930) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648081)


It is only GSM V.3, being based on TDMA.
It is done via channel bundeling and new protocoll for airinterface.

3G is WCDMA (here in Europe) or some other stuff (ask Qualcomm).

cees

I much prefer (0, Offtopic)

tcd004 (134130) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648084)

my not@home network. [lostbrain.com]

Karma is a small price to pay.
tcd004

Annoying Cingular Commercial (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2648087)

I just hope it doesn't mean that we have to see more annoying Cingular commercials.

I thought I was the only one who hated that commercial! If a commercial falls in the forest, and it's universally hated, do any of the writers care?

Why Video on a Cell Phone is good... (4, Interesting)

BluePenguin (521713) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648089)

Okay, if you want an idea why you could possibly want vide on your cell phone, drop the idea of watching movies/TV Shows/other entertainment.

Now, think about a small video camera in your phone. 3G is the bandwidth to speak to eachother Face to Face (well sort of) over a cell phone. Add a little cradle for the thing (so you can sit and look at it) and you can put a face on the other end of the line. IMHO, that would be a worth while use of video on a phone.

But if that wasn't good enough, imagine calling 911, getting patched to an Paramedic with a video phone, and being able to pass video data to mdical techs on their way to the scene (they may even be able to help provide instructions for emergency care). Useful stuff if you ask me.

Actually Sprint PCS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2648090)

launches their 3G services in February/March '02. Everyone knows the PCS is so much cooler than everyone else anyway.

Java vending machines are neat.

High-speed wireless. (4, Interesting)

Lemmy Caution (8378) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648102)

I'm going to dissent from the naysayers and say that this is a good thing. The ability to move large amounts of data on small, easy to carry devices is going to have a lot more consumer penetration than some of the other geek-fantasies will. Moving video around will have somewhat limited usefulness (although the newswires have done amazing things with the bulky satellite video phones; this will make reporting from remote areas even easier). But the complaints about the video display miss the point entirely: once the video data is flowing, you can output to a number of interfaces; imagine piping that video stream to a sunglass-display, for example. (Remember, not everyone drives to work, which is why this sort of thing is more popular in mass-transit oriented countries like Japan and Europe.) Think of the ability to set up remote monitoring of facilities, video conferencing and the like.

It's a little bit of a leap for some geeks to move from the productivity-centered focus of desktop computing and its derivations to the idea of communications-oriented socializing technologies, but for most people the latter is usually more exciting.

Cingular and the Treo (3, Informative)

JoeGrind (324053) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648103)

From what I've read so far, Cingular is one of the cellular service providers who will be offering the Handspring Treo [handspring.com] . An integrated pda, cell phone, messaging system, and all around wireless device plus more bandwidth can't possibly be a bad thing. Hope it works out.

Someone had to say it. (0, Offtopic)

conner_bw (120497) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648110)

470,000 bits a second? Woah!

Imagine, a beowulf cluster of these cell phones...

Yes, i'm an idiot.

instead of. (2, Insightful)

SETY (46845) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648120)

Instead of 3G video, how about:
Improving call quality, dedicate more bandwidth and more CRC checks, etc.
I want my bloody phone to make phone calls and do that well. That is all.

So, will it let you ... (2)

Lumpish Scholar (17107) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648136)

... watch video clips while riding your Segway scooter [slashdot.org] ?-)

Video over Phone! (1)

blues5150 (161900) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648139)

I'd be happy if Cingular would provide adequate digital converage in Northeastern Connecticut. Coverage in Connecticut in general is spotty East of Hartford.

Supporting infrastructure? (1)

Keighvin (166133) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648156)

The perported speeds are wonderful yes, but that's only the manner of transmission to the phone. What about the land line infrastructure used to connect all the cell stations, perform routing, etc.? That's an awful lot of bandwidth to try and through around live enough to have a conversation, any number of 2 way video streams concurrently.

2.5G not all that fun (1)

reachinmark (536719) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648160)

I've been lucky enough to spend a bit of time playing with the new Ericsson T-68 (colour, blue-tooth, GPRS phone) which is basically a 2.5G system that can be used through some providers here in Sweden. Adding a blue-tooth enabled IPaq to the picture and you have a fairly snappy portable web browser. But, really, that is about all. The speed is somewhat faster than a modem, but still a long way from live video feed (and don't give me that "who wants to watch live video on their phone" crap -- think sports.. think about not missing part of the the world cup finals as you commute to work).

There is no doubt that 2.5 and 3G systems will supersede the never-quite-there WAP, but as I see it the real break will come when people can download Java (or whatever) programs to their phone.

Screw 3G - I want useful 2G (4, Insightful)

jht (5006) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648183)

I see virtually no point to fancy 3G technology and broadband phones. All I need to see in a mobile phone is the following:


- Good voice clarity - equivalent to wired when in better-than-marginal conditions.


- Good enough battery life to talk for at least 3 or so hours on a charge. LiIon batteries for no memory and good power density.


- Antennas that are either recessed or integrated to the body. Nokias do this well in current models. No protruding breakable dongles like the StarTAC.


- A phone that fits in my pocket.


- The ability to download phone numbers from my PC. But that's all the PIM functionality I want.


And from the phone company, I want the following:


- Coverage almost anywhere. Digital, too. No more AMPS service anywhere.


- No roaming. At all. And no long distance if the carrier has a national footprint.


- Either free incoming or "caller pays" incoming, the way real telcos do it.


- Finally, and most importantly - I want a service that just gives me minutes, at a comparable cost to wired minutes. I should pay less than $0.10 per minute for any kind of outbound call, regardless of location or destination. One of the things that sucks the most about US mobile phone companies (I can't speak to what they do elsewhere) is the way they differentiate between peak and off-peak, and the high cost of minutes once you use the monthly allotment. I don't pay extra on my wired phone - I shouldn't have to on a mobile.


Slightly better data support would be nice (up to, say, 56k support), but not essential. If I need wireless data badly enough, I can buy it separately. And if I want broadband, I probably will do better having it wired (to my home) than in my pocket on the road.

The truth is in the details... (2)

Cutriss (262920) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648185)

According to Cingular it 'will deliver mobile users data at rates of up to 470,000 bits a second -- fast enough to watch video clips over phones.

Well, given how small most cellphone displays are, it's not too hard to imagine a 150x150x2 movie taking up that much bandwidth...

Cingular splat (2)

BitwizeGHC (145393) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648186)

The orange Cingular splat I keep seeing reminds me of this one Pink Panther cartoon which featured an annoying asterisk that kept turning green. When the panther tried to teach the asterisk a lesson, he was greeted by its brother, a big, MEAN green asterisk who kicked the shit out of him!

i want more spam (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2648189)

yeah, now i can finally see video while shop online with my digital wireless web aol 7.0 . i need more advertisements in my life, the best is that you cant lie to people over the phone anymore. yeah mom i am not at the strip club i swear

Meanwhile... (4, Informative)

Misfit (1071) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648203)

Sprint PCS is expected to have 3G in June.

on a side note. For those of you compaining about the video on phone. It seemed to me that they weren't pushing video on phone, but that they were trying to give people an idea of how fast the throughput is. Not everyone understands what a KB is.

Misfit

Media Overload Will Robinson! Danger, Danger! (3, Interesting)

linuxrunner (225041) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648214)

This sounds to me like a simple case of media overload! I mean, how much information do we really need at once? And where's the application for this?

"sarcastic voice"

oooo, ooooo look streaming video

"/sarcastic voice"

Really, so what? What can the average person do with this except maybe the I'm-late-for-a-bored-meeting (board purposely spelt incorrect). or a new twist to phone sex and 1-900 numbers.... After that, what would the average person want with this..... Sorry CMDTACO... You are not the average person so you're allowed to want this....

I have no need for this, nor would I wish to pay for such a device
Any ideas how much extra this would cost?
Heck, I can't even reason with paying for wireless internet access anymore. It was a great novelty at first, and maybe checking my stocks or e-mail at the beach...

But really, do we all need to be THAT connected?

Too much already.... (1)

darrad (216734) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648224)

I already have more work time than I can handle. I spend most of the day staring at this monitor, and although I like what I do, that does not mean I want my employer strapping me with a wireless unit that will allow me to work while on vacation, etc. Off time is off time, and I am not going to spend it squinting at my cell phone to see a movie that is going to cost me 10 times more than it would if I rent it, or go see it at the theatre.

Enough of the hype. Cell phones are good for emergencies, but chances are, if I am not around a phone, it is because I do not want to be.....!

WOOHOOO!!!! (1)

cornjones (33009) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648228)

thank you god, thank you god, thank you.....

We're sorry... (1)

blues5150 (161900) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648259)

All circuits are busy please try your call again when so many of our customers aren't palying mobile Quake 3! Thank you...Goodbye!
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