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10th Anniversary of Quicktime

CmdrTaco posted more than 12 years ago | from the something-to-think-about dept.

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An anonymous reader submitted a story about the 10th anniversary of QuickTime which might not seem like such a big deal unless you set your mental wayback machine to 1991 and remember what we didn't have back then. Bits from Brian Eno and others. Worth reading.

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first goatse.cx post!! (-1, Offtopic)

Faulty Dreamer (259659) | more than 12 years ago | (#2648999)

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Re:first goatse.cx post!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2649009)

I'm hoping for another episode of Jon Katz's TALES FROM THE PARADISE OF AFGHANISTAN.

Re:first goatse.cx post!! (-1)

Retarded_One (518093) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649071)

Is that a palestinean or a gaping asshole? How could one tell the difference?

Ergh. (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2649006)

Why not just Mpg so everyone can see it?

Re:Ergh. (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2649025)

Not everybody decides to eschew superior technology because their pet platform is incapable of supporting it.

proof? (0, Flamebait)

usrlocalbinladen (540961) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649044)

"Not everybody decides to eschew superior technology because their pet platform is incapable of supporting it."

any actual proof that it is superior? thought not.

Re:proof? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2649179)

MPG (MPEG1) video files are huge. The video (and audio) bitrates need to be fairly high to get good quality. Quicktime files of similar quality are much smaller (assuming QT refers to Sorenson compression wrapped in the QT file format - the QT format is an open format, but the codec is not).

QT will win whenever it's compared to MPEG1 (at least at low bitrates). It would be better to compare it to MPEG4 (DivX). FFmpeg (a set of open-source video/audio codecs for UNIX systems) can read MPEG4 video (OpenDivX, DivX4, MSMPEGv3, and MSMPEGv4), and MPEG4 should be able to compete with Quicktime even at low bitrates.

Re:proof? (0)

usrlocalbinladen (540961) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649204)

"Sorenson compression"

which is?

Re:Ergh. (1)

felipeal (177452) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649069)

You're right. Some people prefer to 'eschew superior technology' because:
a) THEY don't provide the support for the pet plataforms
b) the 'superior technology' is not open (and hence can't/shouldn't be a standard)

Re:Ergh. (1)

Zach Garner (74342) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649105)

And:
c) its only superior to animated gifs.

Re:Ergh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2649198)

Quicktime is Sorensen compression. So really all Quicktime is is a player, not a format unto itself. It also (I believe) supports more file formats than any other player.

And for all you DivX, and 3vix zelots out there, there are already beta players of that still beta format available for Quicktime. But as always, Aplle is doing the smart thing and not integrating DivX support untill the format hits 1.0.

then it really isn't superior is it? (-1, Troll)

usrlocalbinladen (540961) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649300)

"b) the 'superior technology' is not open (and hence can't/shouldn't be a standard)"

if it's so terribly interesting there should be some form of scientific rigor attatched to it.

Why do I feel like... (3, Funny)

tswinzig (210999) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649012)

...there won't be a gleeful response from the Linux crowd here?

Re:Why do I feel like... (1)

Johnny O (22313) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649319)

Exactly. I was thinking - I could give a $#!T. There is no Linux player, what is there to celebrate?!?!?

Happy birthday, Quicktime... (0, Offtopic)

Refrag (145266) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649027)

...you're sticking kicking everyone else's ass.

Classic subway cut? (-1)

BankofAmerica_ATM (537813) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649032)

Hey, I work in a submarine, and I was jammin out to this Brazilian music, and wasn't really doing my job...

Suddenly my commanding officer comes up and slaps me on the back, and my headphones fall off, and the music spills out in the submarine. Now I try and play it cool, and I'm like, "Polkadots and moonbeams, sarge!" but it's obvious the guy is mad.

So he takes off his hat, and he tells me, "Listen soldier, we're in a mission-critical submarine API. We run NT on a per-seat license, and we can't have Brazilian music leaking all over the place. SO MOP IT UP! ON THE DOUBLE!" And then I mopped it, my shame and resentment balling up in my stomach like a fist.

Quicktime and Real Audio are already dead. (1, Flamebait)

skrowl (100307) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649039)

DivX ;), Windows Media and other MPEG4 based solutions have already killed them. They take less bandwidth and scale from palm-based to near-DVD quality.

Yay to it's 10th anniversary, I guess... but I doubt it will see it's 15th.

Re:Quicktime and Real Audio are already dead. (2, Interesting)

4444444 (444444) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649075)

Windows Media and other MPEG4 based solutions have already killed them
Isn't MPEG4 based on quicktime?
Plus I would hardly put Windows Media in the same catagory as Quick time

Re:Quicktime and Real Audio are already dead. (2, Insightful)

Destoo (530123) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649183)

There was a time when I just wished MS ripped QT's codec and put it in their media player.

I mean.. For a player, all you need is a play button and a stop button.
We do not need animated menus or sweet shading. Just a simple old box.

Guis.. There should be an option to "turn all the options off".
Base skin should be no skin. Naked.
Just like a pen does not need some purty little bunnies on it to write effectively.

Still. Happy 10th', QT. You've put on some weight lately, but fortunately I still have an older version on my Lodoss War cds.

Re:Quicktime and Real Audio are already dead. (2, Informative)

Graff (532189) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649206)

Isn't MPEG4 based on quicktime?

MPEG-4 is based on a file format championed by Apple and used in Quicktime. The problem is that the MPEG-4 standard is not yet complete. What WiMP (Windows Media Player) and the others are using is a corrupted form of the incomplete standard. It's the usual embrace-and-extend attack from Microsoft: adopt a standard and then modify it so that it becomes so corrupted and muddled that people have to use your version to do anything.

Once again we see that Microsoft has managed to grab market share through bundling, while the better product doesn't get as much exposure. Quicktime is such a polished product that supports some of the best compression algorithms for video out there, it's a shame that it is not used more.

Re:Quicktime and Real Audio are already dead. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2649302)

Sigh...

Once again, we're giving Apple credit where it's not due. So in response to your question,

Isn't Quicktime based on Sorenson compression?

Quicktime is not a compression algorithm (5, Informative)

crow (16139) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649080)

It's important to understand that Quicktime is not a compression algorithm. If it were, then I would agree with your statement. However, Quicktime is one level above the compression algorithm--it can work with many different algorithms. There's no reason to believe that there won't be a MPEG-4 codec for Quicktime soon (if it's not available already).

While the most popular codecs involved will change, Quicktime will be around for a long time to come.

Re:Quicktime is not a compression algorithm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2649226)

What does "one level above" mean?

Re:Quicktime and Real Audio are already dead. (1)

felipeal (177452) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649118)

I agree with you about Quicktime.
The only think that keeps it alive is their deal to get the movie trailers at their site. I don't know how they got that (was Apple secretly adquired by the AOL/WB?), but I wish they didn't have that exclusive right (the trailers should be available on more formats).

MPEG4 is based off QuickTime (2, Insightful)

spicyjeff (6305) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649156)

MPEG4 is based off QuickTime with Apple playing a major role in its development.

You are also confusing codecs or players with QuickTime. MPEG is a codec, Windows media has is wma codec and player...QuickTime is a Media Layer providing all the necessary tools to deal with hundreds of formats and just as many codecs supporting wide ranges of playback and presentation options not just limited to audio, video, graphics, vector graphics, VR...

I could got on, but instead you should go read up at on specifics here [apple.com] .

Re:Quicktime and Real Audio are already dead. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2649192)

>

The fact that MPEG-4 is a cheap hack based on quicktime is lost on you, isn'y it? Heck, considering that Quicktime is designed to work with so many Codecs, I'm sure there is already a DiVX ;) work-alike, or clone, or at very least, there is one being made.

Don't forget that you can have a quicktime file with a DiVX ;) movie, with two language tracks, and optional subtitles. If you want an ideal format for "Near DVD Quality," don't forget the extra features! (Also, don't forget that there are lots of Quicktime Codecs with much more than DVD quality, if you don't mind a fe MB/sec...)

Re:Quicktime and Real Audio are already dead. (5, Insightful)

MagnusDredd (160488) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649210)

DivX is simply a codec. It is not a media layer. Codecs can be added and removed from applications and media layers. Example: I watch DivX movies under Quicktime using a file conatining the codec (although there are a few differing bastardised versions of MPEG4, generally the 3ivx, 4ivx, and 5ivx codecs I have installed here handle most formats.

Furthermore even with windows if you want support for many of these codecs you still have to go out and hunt down the codec. One of the most annoying things with avi files is the you never know what format they are in. The avi format actually can use as many as 15 separate formats (codecs) which are incompatable with each other.

What I have yet to see anywhere else is a single multimedia layer comprising MIDI synth, picture, video, panoramas, etc.

/rant/
It really is not Apple's fault that Linux developers have payed so little attention to developing Linux based solutions for Apple formats. I finbd it amazing how much of the horrible proprietary windows junk finds it's way to my linux/BSD boxen and how poor support is for Apple things. And then the galling thing is that Apple takes the blame for it here. One example was a suggestion that Apple by using their own filesystem for the iPod was horrible and proprietary and they should have used Fat 32. (reality check here) Apple should ditch their own file format and use Microsofts? kidding, right?

Microsft calls GPL evil, and Apple hires OSS developers and gives source code for core of their _current OS_ away and some of you guys still bash Apple for M$... go figure...
/rant/

Repeat? (0, Offtopic)

jeek (37349) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649045)

Didn't you guys post about this last week?

quicktime? (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2649046)

hahahaha quicktime! i know we all hate wintel, but come on, let's have some good apple bashing on this one. while the rest of the world has embraced mpg, apple stil clings to it's sorry quicktime format. what's next? the 15th anniversary of adb?

what is adb? (1)

usrlocalbinladen (540961) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649065)

"the 15th anniversary of adb?"

what is adb?

Re:what is adb? (-1)

robvasquez (411139) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649139)

That Macintosh Keyboard/Mouse standard.

personally, I like it, especially daisy chaning the keybarod mouse....

never did like PC mouse, or keyboard.

Serial, PS2, 5 pin.....ugh

If EVERYTHING was USB it'd ROX0R

Re:what is adb? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2649167)

Apple Desktop Bus. That thing that the keyboard and mouse (and possibly other things like modems and what not) used to be plugged into. It disappeard about the time the iMac first showed up.

Re:what is adb? (0)

usrlocalbinladen (540961) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649177)

thanks for the info

Re:what is adb? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2649231)

How on earth did you manage to post this at 0 when the previous post was at 1? I can't seem to see that either have been moderated.

I think I currently have -1 (0)

usrlocalbinladen (540961) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649315)

the fun little changes in slashcode I think plus I have posted in the previous article

Re:what is adb? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2649223)

Apple Desktop Bus

Re:what is adb? (1)

superlime (454738) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649232)

ADB is the Apple Desktop Bus.. Apple's method for connecting mice/keyboards/etc to the computer.

Kinda silly 15th anniv since they've basically killed it off on the newer models (stranding people who have ADB tablets and dongles. :P

Re:what is adb? (3, Informative)

phillymjs (234426) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649267)

ADB stands for Apple Desktop Bus. USB is little more than Intel's modern copy of ADB. ADB was used on Macs from the Macintosh SE, up to and including the very first blue & white G3 machines, and also on some NeXT computers. It was used to mostly hook up input devices, such as keyboards, mice, joysticks, graphics tablets, etc. Just like USB, ADB let you daisy-chain peripherals together-- the mouse plugged into a port on the keyboard, so you didn't need a mile-long mouse cord that stretched to the back of the computer. ADB also provided advantages like being able to power up the computer from the keyboard, which also allowed 'smart' power strips that could sense when the machine became unresponsive and initiate a 'three-finger-salute' all by itself-- great for machines running unattended. I have two such power strips at home, one on my main Mac, and one on my Mac server that does all my mail and routing and runs the house.

~Philly

Re:what is adb? (1)

Graff (532189) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649293)

Apple Desktop Bus. It's a bus-connect technology used to connect devices to computers, such as mice, keyboards, etc. It abstracted the device from the port so all a manufacturer needed to do was use some bridging electronics and a software driver to get a device connected. It preceded USB by a number of years and it was only in use by Apple as far as I know. As a technology it was far ahead of its time. Although it didn't allow hot-swapping, it did allow you to daisy-chain a ton of devices off of one ADB port. I know that there were security "dongles" to protect your computer from being accessed, modems, trackpads, joysticks, mice, and tons of other cool electronics that were available to it.

Re:quicktime? (1)

TheCrazyFinn (539383) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649166)

mpg is dead, AVI and Quicktime killed it in the streaming format, try finding streaming mpg's anywhere. DivX MPEG4 is getting kinda popular in non-streaming though. The Crazy Finn

Re:quicktime? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2649211)

Uh...I think the AVI you refer to IS DivX, which IS mpg. I'd like to see someone stream an uncompressed AVI ;)

As for non-streaming, you may have heard of these crazy new things called DVDs. They use, surprise surprise, mpg.

The only thing Quicktime has killed is any chance for Apple to make money off of a/v compression.

Re:quicktime? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2649284)

Some sites are using WMV for streaming, which is based on MPEG4. I've even seen a few using DivX4.

History (5, Informative)

jeriqo (530691) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649049)

Here is an history of QuickTime by a group of QuickTime developers, "Friends of Time" :

http://www.friendsoftime.org/ [friendsoftime.org]

-J

Re:History (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2649186)

Fucking karma wh0re.

Re:History (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2649242)

Fucking an0nym0us p0sters.

I remember... (2)

Apreche (239272) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649054)

I remember when people were talking about which was better quicktime or microsoft avi. One of them made files smaller by decreasing resolution of movies, but keeping the same on-screen size. The other decreased framerate. I just remember reading this in a really really old magazine. I still have quick time 2 somewhere. Ah DOS.

CmdrTaco posts in a foreign language all his own (-1)

ForeignLanguageTroll (529299) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649056)

An anonymous reader submitted a story about the 10th anniversary of QuickTime which might not seem like such a big deal unless you set your mental wayback machine to 1991 and remember what we didn't have back then (Run on sentence).

Bits from Brian Eno and others (Fragment).

Worth reading (Fragment).

Geez, and you thought my translations were bad...

Apple's a Black Hole (-1, Flamebait)

Noxxus (259942) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649060)

They suck off the open source community like a black hole using BSD code in OS X but won't give back by opening up the source to QuickTime. Fuck them--they're leeches.

ahh however (-1, Offtopic)

usrlocalbinladen (540961) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649089)

"They suck off the open source community like a black hole using BSD code in OS X but won't give back by opening up the source to QuickTime. Fuck them--they're leeches."

they are artistically inclined leeches hence the "attractive" computer cases

Re:Apple's a Black Hole (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2649157)

they've opened part of it, so far. the streaming server is open source.

http://www.publicsource.apple.com/projects/strea mi ng/

The Internet (3, Offtopic)

eclip5e (19238) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649068)

I remember back in 1991 when I didn't play "computer games". I played "Video games". I also didn't "Surf the web". I "bbsed". Back then things were more simple. ASCII art, a time when Microsoft wasn't evil, no obscure linux-related jokes, hell, no linux. That was when i played outside too, climbed trees, and didn't have a job (because i was 11).

Now look at us. I'm sitting here, reading news on a website named after some punctuation, and worrying about if i can talk about the newest Microsoft internet explorer to my boss, or risk being fired, and turned to the police because i know too much.

Re:The Internet (1)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649124)

And "Online Games" were "BBS Doors". You played a game for like 30 moves, then had to wait until tomorrow to see what everyone else did (and if anyone else attacked you). And you played those games while downloading the newest version of Commander Keen (through zmodem on a 2400bps modem).

Those were the good'ol days ;-)

Re:The Internet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2649187)

11 in 1991!? yer just a baby. Why, back in my day, I fucked marilyn monroe.

Re:The Internet (4, Funny)

Destoo (530123) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649233)

ASCII art's not dead!
Just reload the page at comments(-1).

(geez.. next time I read /. at work, I'll remember to wait at least 5 minutes after a new topic is posted)

Re:The Internet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2649329)

Sorry d00d, "Penis Bird" doesn't count.

Not an open format ! (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2649083)


I am fed up with this Quicktime !

I am running Unix systems on my machines and I am really fed up to hit the famous: This web page require a quick time plug-in, go to download it !

THERE IS NO QUICKTIME PLUG-IN FOR UNIX

How good can be a format that is not OPEN ????

Developper have to buy the right to code a reader for this format !

This is outrageous ! But, after all, Apple and Microsoft have the same goal... world domination. Microsoft had just done some steps further than Apple. That's all.

Re:Not an open format ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2649175)

Whine, whine, whine! Bitch, bitch, bitch!

Get a REAL OS, you stupid Linux fag!

You would think with OS X (1, Flamebait)

DebianDog (472284) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649087)

OS X is Unix! (Well BSD based)
You would think Apple would easily be able to port over Quicktime to Linux and want to give it away in order to keep M$ from dominating yet another market.

I guess I am just not smart enough to figure out why you would not want to market to non-M$ers. I say give the player away! Make it up on QTpro for Linux like they do with the Win products.

Re:You would think with OS X (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2649169)

Umm, this is done so people will convert to OSX or Darwin.

Re:You would think with OS X (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2649202)

yeah, the underneath bits. but Aqua is not X. It's harder port the graphical stuff from Aqua to X (and visa versa, which is why X for OS X exists -- it was easier to port X than all the apps).

And apple wants people to have a reason to go with OS X over a linux box -- this is one of them.

but there is a QuckTime for Java -- no idea if it works.

Quicktime for IRIX (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2649266)

Apple could easily build for linux but why should they, they have enough problems as it is. If you want quicktime on free Desktops, petition apple to build it and offer to pay $30 for a copy.

oh yeah! (-1)

robvasquez (411139) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649099)

Postage stamp video at its finest! I was so jealous of my bud's Quadra back in like 93.

Then I remember watching the Weezer videos on the Win95 CD

Linux video isn't up to par yet...but I don't mind. Who the hell watches video on the PC, anyhow?

The article was pointless... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2649104)

The "staying power" of Quicktime? How is that a good thing? Just look at the "Staying power" of ms-dos.

Frog sPawn (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2649111)

But quick time was not quick enough! ill go and kiss a penguin instead!

Celebrating Annoyware (0, Troll)

realdpk (116490) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649114)

Congrats to Apple for the success of their annoyware! Three cheers and all that.

congrats (-1)

SlaveTroll (535702) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649133)

this is the 10th anniversary of cmdrtaco smoking his first cock. you slashdot faggots.

QT rocks, an example of APL at it its finest (4, Interesting)

darkPHi3er (215047) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649134)

QuickTime is a PERFECT example of something Apple got ***WAY RIGHT***

they treated it as multiplatform product, ignrored what the competition was doing, updated it frequently to accomodate new technology and changing hardware/software bases, didn't try to make a fortune off of it, and worked with their user/developer base to make sure they got what they needed to deploy it, and treated it as an "open standard" to a large degree

QT has the most stable and best rendering collection of COCDEC's of any of the video players, and for quality of presentation, QT 3D is still way ahead of the competition...

the number and variety of the CODEC's available for QT show a mature platform that can do just about anything possible with the hardware available

i'm associated with a web design company that has done over 200 commercial web sites, including record artists and film sites....

and 3 years ago everyone of the media companies we did business with always wanted QT, NOW, when we get new "Developer Guidelines", they almost always ask for Real or WindowsMedia...

we've continued to push QT, but just finished a film site that we were ordered to use WindowsMedia "or else"

at this rate, WindowsMedia and REAL will not be leaving much room for a competitive product in the next 18-36 months

Hey Apple, how about QT for LINUX???? can it save the day????

or is QT going to be another "stranded" product???

goatse.cx (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2649214)

goatse.cx [goatse.cx]

Re:QT rocks, an example of APL at it its finest (5, Informative)

BWJones (18351) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649325)

It is always difficult to be the first and often others capitalize on your success while you are relegated as an also-ran (like so many times with M$ and Apple).

However, that said, QT is a superior product in many ways and it has every possibility of becoming a media platform if of itself. M$ knows this and it scares the hell out of them. This is why they are trying so hard to defeat QT and even tried to kill it a couple of years ago by leveraging Office for Macintosh against Apple.

Don't be suprised to see QT media devices being produced in the next couple of years. All tying into the "Digital Hub" concept.

QuickTime clients are horrible (1, Flamebait)

Trepidity (597) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649135)

While QuickTime was certainly ahead of its time, and the format itself is not bad, the clients are simply horrible. Perhaps they were okay for the early 90s, but they never progressed; hell the current version of the Windows client still hasn't even implemented a full-screen mode...

Re:QuickTime clients are horrible (1)

pi radians (170660) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649208)

I thought that was only an option for the pro version? I don't know much about the Windows side (thank god) but I am confident that you'll have to pay $29.99 for full screen (plus a buch of editing options.)

(If you're using a Mac, just use an older player, like 2.5. You can still view the newest video and all of the functions are accessable.)

Re:QuickTime clients are horrible (1)

Refrag (145266) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649237)

You're obviously on crack. QuickTime supports fullscreen mode on Macs and Windows. It's one of the options for all of the LOTR trailers at Apple's movie trailer site [apple.com] .

Birth of Multimedia (5, Interesting)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649136)

The only thing missing was the duct tape.

Basically, quicktime allowed the birth of multimedia. The attitudes from the first posters were along the line of "say thank you, and don't forget to kick it as you walk on by"

Of course, if you really like MS Brand Duct Tape, then keep on kicking.

It is sort of like bitching at your grandfather:"I wish you were never born". Which is not exactly bright, on several levels.

Re:Birth of Multimedia (-1)

Retarded_One (518093) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649234)

How does it feel to be a Apple fanboy? Degrading? Do you feel 'dirty'?

Say What You Like (3, Funny)

SirSlud (67381) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649142)

.. but criticising QuickTime is like dissing Christopher Columbus. Sure, he may have called everyone 'indians', and been a complete asshole, but we wouldn't be where we are today without him.

Same goes for QuickTime. Whine all you like about it not being on Unix, but that doesn't take away from the fact that it was the embassador of streaming video for the internet. To this day, without going into the nitty gritty and platform issues, I still prefer the quality of QuickTime over any other format, and will select a QuickTime stream given a choice from any other number of alternatives.

Linux users that yearn for Quicktime! (3, Informative)

Bollie (152363) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649146)

For those of you who know the difference between QT and Quicktime, take heed! There is hope! I've successfully played some Quicktime movies using WINE. Everybody knows the Crossover plugin [codeweavers.com] from CodeWeavers. I've also had some very good results with the CodeWeavers version of Wine [codeweavers.com] .

Unfortunately some aspects of the UI don't work but the movies play nicely. I can't wait until TransGaming's WineX [transgaming.com] or stock Wine [winehq.com] runs Quicktime movies as good as mplayer [mplayerhq.hu] plays .avi files under my favourite OS!

Does anyone know exactly how crosspollination between these projects work? I would say that besides GNU and Linux, Wine has the potential to be the most useful piece of code ever created.

10 years and still no Open Source implementation (1, Troll)

burtonator (70115) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649168)

OK.

It has been 10 years since quicktime, most other codecs have been around for a while (MPEG, etc).

There are a lot of misc implementations of quicktime, mpeg, etc. Most are mediocre at best. Certainly none are of the quality I expect from Open Source software.

I mean even DVD support for Linux isn't that great (hi MPAA!).

So what is the problem? Why can't we get a stable Open Source project that handles video, supports multiple codes, and is Open Source?

Do I have to rely on the crossover plugin and the proprietary QuickTime on Linux? I hope not?

Kevin

Re:10 years and still no Open Source implementatio (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2649254)

Do I have to rely on the crossover plugin and the proprietary QuickTime on Linux? I hope not?

Yes, unless you can figure out how the Sorenson codec works. Neither Apple nor Sorenson will release any information on it, and nobody has reverse-engineered it yet. Quicktime is an open format (there is already open-source software to read and write QT files), but almost all Quicktime files use the proprietary Sorenson codec.

Re:10 years and still no Open Source implementatio (3, Insightful)

BitwizeGHC (145393) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649299)

AFAIK the codec is patented, so even if someone RE's it, it's illegal to use without a license. The reason why there are no good open source video players is because there's big money in keeping all the codecs closed.

Re:10 years and still no Open Source implementatio (1)

Davace (250100) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649277)

Well since they are not of the "Quality you expect" why not code one yourself? And you asked what is the problem? Well the answer is closed codecs. How can you write a player for a format if it's just a bunch of ones and zero's?

happy bithday quicktime :) (1)

marmotzel (523645) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649170)

happy bithday quicktime :)

Ten years already? (1)

tino_sup (460223) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649173)

Damn, where did that decade go. I remember the introduction and impact of Quicktime. Was going to be the standared, the best etc... Amazing the what perspective of time will do to an app that I am sure many take for granted. Bluetooth 10 yrs from now?

Yeah right! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2649189)

"it was the first piece of software to envision the computer as something other than a desktop publishing tool and as the creative hub for digital entertainment."

In 1991 I was watching 1/3-screen video with stereo sound on a Amiga CDTV.

The CDXL format wasn't compressed much (it used the HAM mode: 4000+ colors compressed into a 6bit image) but it played 8-16fps and supported stereo audio. A postage-stamp QuickTime video paled next to it.

Get your history right. :)

Revisionist History (1, Flamebait)

dfinney (210092) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649205)

Yet another Mac history revision lesson, where the "only way" to do it was with a Mac and now it is "even better" using a Mac.

It seems to me that Sarnoff Labs (RCA) devloped a digital video system that would play back from CD-ROM around 1983, then sold it to Intel in the late 80s which was productized as DVI by around 1990. Subsequently, Microsoft and Apple trumpeted their respective file formats (Quicktime and AVI) but in reality both formats used essentially the same codecs.

If anyone remembers the San Francisco Canyon/Apple/Microsoft/Intel debacle, you'll know just how similar these technologies really are. The Sarnoff Labs technology is likely the progenitor, much the same way that Mosaic is the progenitor of all of the major web browsers.

QT made Myst possible (3, Informative)

Stavr0 (35032) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649225)

... and for that, I am thankful. It was quite a feat,back then, to show rendered 3D animation (even if it was postage stamp-sized) with a 33mHz computer and a single speed CDROM.

the biggest fault from the article (1)

dcgaber (473400) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649229)

I don't know if I can support a standard that is responsible for bringing us another 'n sync video. Really, forget copy controls, just limit these media players from playing (or producing) crap like that and I will be happy. Now if Linux did not have the ability to play any boy band crap, think of how it would take off!

Perhaps Monkey-boy ballmer can star in there next video, sweat filled crap

Get your Goatex tampon (-1)

SlaveTroll (535702) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649236)

Slashdot is proud to present to you the invention that has been more hyped than IT.

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This tampon measures over 3 inches in diameter. It has been tested on CmdrTaco time and again after receiving to the point of bleeding. It is designed to be used by males who have been fisted and fucked so much in the asshole that it has stretched to such great lengths. After receiving your fisting or anal sex to the point that you are gushing blood you used to be left with only one solution - have JonKatz lick and suck your ass and drink your blood (mixed with cum from niggers that just got done fucking you) till it stopped. Now you can just pop a Goatex in!

And don't worry the pleasure of having JonKatz eating your ass is not gone... You can now just take the Goatex tampon out and squeeze it and let the blood drip into JonKatz's mouth right while you suck a nigger off and let his shoot his load in your mouth, then you just swap the blood and cum. JonKatz calls this part, "Delicious!"

"My asshole sure takes a beating every day, the only thing that stops the blood from rushing out is Goatex!" - CmdrTaco

Re:Get your Goatex tampon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2649270)

Goatex sounds great! I know I'll be needing a pack or two of those for the holidays!

I do have one question though, are these Goatex anal tampons better than the Malda brand ass panty pads? You can get them with wings or tabs...super absorbant!

*YAWN* (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2649239)

Quicktime did nothing that the Amiga didn't already do 5 years before and better. More Apple self-aggrandizing.

examples (0)

usrlocalbinladen (540961) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649278)

"Quicktime did nothing that the Amiga didn't already do 5 years before and better. More Apple self-aggrandizing."

are there some good cited examples?

Hypercard? (1)

kisrael (134664) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649261)

Was Hypercard a video card or a programming language?

Re:Hypercard? (1)

trash eighty (457611) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649327)

its a programming language... kind of. its a little bit like visual basic, only came out first. i've only ever used its results though

A little joke... (1)

Marx_Mrvelous (532372) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649262)

10 years? Boy, that went quickly...

Hi. I'm Brian Eno. (-1, Offtopic)

Bowie J. Poag (16898) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649265)



Hi. I'm Brian Eno. I'm one of the music industry's most overhyped, overcredited and overrated "producer".

Back when I invented ambient eletronic music, I....err..wait, Raymond Scott was doing that in the 50's..Ok, nix that, so what if I didn't invent ambient. I'm real good at "pioneering" new technologicies like the Moog, a device that....er, wait.. Bob Moog designed them, not me. Oh, whatever. I have industry connections!! I discovered Devo! Back when I...uhhh, wait a minute, Devo had been around for like 8 years before I...umm..I'm an important guy. Really. Hey, I know Giorgio Moroder!! That's gotta count for something!

Got any peanuts? I'm hungry.

Amiga invented Multimedia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2649282)

Hmm... back in 1991... we had the Amiga IFF formats for synchronised pictures, animation, and sound, and even the IFF format CDXL for full-motion video from CDs...

The Amiga invented "Multimedia", not apple, in fact, the Amiga IP portfolio included (IMO evil) patents on playing simultaneous audio and video from CDs, for example. Apple was a latecomer, but MUCH better at marketing.

For some reason, in the USA, the amiga was almost completely ignored, incredibly irritating given how far ahead it was at the time - in europe it was the most popular and common computer for about decade. Oh well.

First BSOD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2649292)

Does anyone remember when the first BSOD happened? That would be a day worth remembering, the day it all went to heck.....

Linux is dying :( (-1)

SlaveTroll (535702) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649301)

While this is great that Quicktime has been around for 10 years, its sad that Linux won't be around to see its 10th birthday. I'm calling for all of us true "techies" to have a moment of silence today at 1:30 along with George Harrison's moment of silence and remember one of the greatest "toy" operating systems.

Linux is dying
Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered Linux community when last month IDC confirmed that Linux accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that Linux has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Linux is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by falling dead last [goatse.cx] in the recent Kreskin test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [slashdot.org] to predict Linux's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Linux faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Linux because Linux is dying. Things are looking very bad for Linux. As many of us are already aware, Linux continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. Debianis the most endangered of them all.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

Corel leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of Corel. How many users of Redhat are there? Let's see. The number of Corel versus Redhat posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 Redhat users. Mandrake posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of Redhat posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of Mandrake. Arecent article put Debian at about 80 percent of the Linux market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 Debian users. This is consistent with the number of Debian Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek,abysmal sales and so on,Debian went out of business and was taken over by Corel who sell another troubled Linux. Now Corel is also dead, its corpse turned over to another charnel house.

All major surveys show that Linux has steadily declined in market share. Linux is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Linux is survive at all it will be among Linux hobbyist dabblers. Linux continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Linux is dead.

Linux is dying

what don't you get? (1)

Multics (45254) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649326)

two words

Closed Source

-- Multics

MacOS X Update "Issue" Still Kicking (0, Offtopic)

BoarderPhreak (234086) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649335)

Just today, Apple's lawyers got a response... Several Websites have also picked up the story and there have been mirrors established.

Check it out in, "How to Convert a MacOS X 10.1 Update into an Install CD" [everythingmac.org]

An Article With Real Substance^H^H^H^H^H Bullshit (2, Troll)

Lethyos (408045) | more than 12 years ago | (#2649341)

``The amazing thing about Quicktime is that there was nothing like it before, and everything has been like it since,'' notes PBS commentator Robert X. Cringley. ``Look at the guts of Real Player or Windows Media Player, and you'll see structural copies of QuickTime.''

Aside from the overblown technological utopianism in this article that would make Theodore Roszak (The Cult of Information) physically ill, we have this man's opinion. Robert X. Cringley, self declared cyber evangelist telling us that QuickTime is the end-all, be-all of ALL multimedia formats. Aside from the fact that he's always prone to blow things out of proportion, Cringley has very little technical knowledge, let alone an understanding of software strucutre (or "guts" as he puts it). (Note he completely ignores that most features found in QuickTime today such as streaming capability and portal functionality were derived from RealMedia's software.) Oh yes, QuickTime has brought about a revolution in digital media! It brought democracy to the web! And nobody has ever duplicated it or surpassed it since! Nonsense.

This is all just foolishness and people need to calm down. It's a media format wrapper (not a codec like MPEG as most of these Slashfools are contending). That's all. QuickTime didn't start a revolution. It didn't change the world. And it certainly isn't the greatest thing in multimedia today. Similar technologies were being developed by a number of groups at the same time and we have equivalent if not better tools for producing and converging digital media today.
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