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Flat-panel iMacs in Apple's Future?

CmdrTaco posted more than 12 years ago | from the wouldn't-that-be-pretty dept.

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WinkyN writes: "A story on Yahoo! is claiming Apple might release a flat-panel iMac for release in early 2002. Analysts for Morgan Stanley who cover Apple say the computer manufacturer has placed orders for component parts to build such a machine (in fact, build about 100,000 of them a month). Perhaps Steve Jobs will announce this at Macworld Expo in January?"

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Could it be... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2659591)

fp?

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Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2659593)

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-DFW

Re:ft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2659789)

Damn, that's a great website, how comes i've never heard of it before??

They should (-1, Offtopic)

autopr0n (534291) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659597)

Then they would have a valid excuse for selling a machine with a 15inch display that can't be upgraded...

Re:They should (2)

Refrag (145266) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659625)

How many people that buy consumer-level computers upgrade them? Very few.

Re:They should (3, Informative)

nomadic (141991) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659638)

You could upgrade the imac's monitor the same as any other computer; buy a new monitor and plug it in.

Not Surprising (4, Funny)

Exantrius (43176) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659601)

After all, they *DID* stop selling any monitors but flat screens...

And hell, they can make them smaller, and in new shapes, they could do a lot of things with the shape, since they aren't limited by the size of the CRT and the heat problems inherent with monitors in close proximity with other computer pieces...

Besides, If the release another "flower power" imac, and you were stuck using it, wouldn't *YOU* want it smaller/easier to hide?

Ex

Apple Come back? (1)

rmadmin (532701) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659603)

Is apple actually going to attempt a huge come back? It seams like they haven't been doing much lately (as much as other manufacturers), but I know alot of ./ readers use macs, our web developers use macs, and they love them. I even told my dad he should get a mac when he started light video editing. Whats the deal? Is Mac sneaking back into the market slowly so they can take everyone by surprise?

Re:Apple Come back? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2659627)

"
I know alot of ./ readers use macs,
"

dotslash? never heard of it. is it a magazine
for mac freaks?

Re:Apple Come back? (1)

Genevish (93570) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659651)

Is Mac sneaking back into the market slowly so they can take everyone by surprise?


If they're smart, that's exactly what they're doing. If they move too fast, "the Evil One" will be on them...

Re:Apple Come back? (4, Insightful)

Exantrius (43176) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659682)

Think about what they've done in the past couple years:

Nice hardware, growing in leaps and bounds as the market for those things matures (pc133, yes it was late, and yes, it's slower than DDR, but hey, better than pc100), nice processors, removing all relic hardware as necessary (USB instead of ADB, etc). Apple has always done this. Making the powerbook g4 was the next step, making a laptop just slightly less powerful than a desktop, *AND* has a battery life to speak of.

Nice software: OS X. BSD core. No need for them to figure out how to reinvent the wheel with their crappy old OS's--Simply change a few widgets, and call it Darwin, then add a GUI, and Voila! instant OS. With a *LOT* of software available, not to mention the 20 billion BSD hackers, the people that'll keep the Darwin OS up to snuff.

Totally reengineered interface--Finally a command line that doesn't suck! And for that matter, a GUI that doesn't suck! And multitasking! And all sorts of neat widgets that make techies and non-techies alike scream out "I WANT ONE!"
Giving computers to schools, making great leaps in hardware, standardizing their video system. I see this as a incredibly brilliant move for Jobs.

All in all, more power to them... They may live, they may struggle, or they may die. They are pushing the user's into a whole new realm; DVD-R's in affordable systems, laptops that don't suck, and keeping up with technology a lot better than they used to.

Ex.

Re:Apple Come back? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2659796)

Ok some points:

1) If by 20 billion BSD hackers you mean 20 then yes

2)Multitasking? Don't all gui operating systems and multi-user systems do that?

Yes I think "for" apple OS X is impressive... for a unix system it's gui is impressive... but I'd take win 2k over it anyday.

Re:Apple Come back? (2, Interesting)

Corporate Troll (537873) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659736)

Yes, I think "sneaking back" is the good term. I have been a die-hard x86 lover since the late eighties -- not only MS, I was an OS/2 lover too, and now Linux and OpenBSD. I've invested a lot in x86 hardware (I have 6 machines running at home) over the years.

Yet, since I saw a G3 in action two years ago at my uncle's place (he is an artist), I got interested.
Now, my old laptop (P120/32MegRAM, running Linux) is getting really old. How long will it live? 6 months perhaps, but replacement is probably due next year? I didn't make up my mind yet, but an iBook is now definately an option! I want to try OS X, Yellow Dog Linux, perhaps even NetBSD. Plus they look good!
If they can get *me* interested in their hardware, they must be on for a comeback: two years ago, I would have laughed a Mac user in the face...Now I say: cool show me how it works.

Re:Apple Come back? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2659758)

Nice try. I Know a mac-zealot when I see one ;)

Re:Apple Come back? (1)

Corporate Troll (537873) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659797)

Hehehe...I am not a Mac zealot...never was, but I can't promise I never will. Actually I'm an old hardware fetchist :-) But, you could have guessed that from the post (the P120 is true, and I'm useing it right now)

it's an apple... (-1)

neal n bob (531011) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659606)

It has no future except in museums.

When did /. become a rumour site? (0, Troll)

usermilk (149572) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659615)

Oh wait, I'm sorry... Yahoo! is *always* right...

Re:When did /. become a rumour site? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2659639)

I have to agree.
Some brokers are claiming that AMD might start selling faster chips!

Lets face it, this is nothing but gossip from someone trying to raise stock prices.

Think of it this way, its a financial troll, and /. bit.

Already being sold... (4, Insightful)

darkov (261309) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659616)

..it's called an iBook.

But seriously, why would Apple sell such a thing? It would have to be comparable in cost to an iBook, the LCD being the most expensive part.

It would probably be a snazzy box, but would the price be right for a low-end machine?

Re:Already being sold... (1)

WinDoze (52234) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659632)

Not trolling, but it seems Apple products always are on the prcey side anyway. People still buy 'em, and despite the fact I don't use 'em I have to admit, they do make some nice hardware.

Re:Already being sold... (1)

gtada (191158) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659644)

One thing that comes to mind is that Apple said in the past that they will no longer sell CRT monitors. They finally shipping only LCD monitors with one exception: the iMac.

Re:Already being sold... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2659652)

I was going to say the same thing. How is this anything but an iBook, only less portable?

Re:Already being sold... (1)

David Roundy (34889) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659667)

I'd say because you would want a full sized keyboard and 15" screen, which wouldn't go into an ibook. And by not miniaturizing the other parts, you could cut costs significantly relative to a laptop.

Re:Already being sold... (2, Insightful)

darkov (261309) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659726)

I think the "miniaturizing" part basically consists of developing custom ICs to reduce the chip count so you can squezze all the bits into a smaller box. Now the big cost here is in the development. So it would cost Apple nothing to use those same chips in another design. They could take the designs of the iBook and use them into a LCD iMac. Probably use a less dense PCB layout might save a couple of bucks. But that would probably be offset by the additional plastic, etc used in a larger box. The drive might be a bit cheaper compared to a 2.5 inch notebook drive. The LCD screens would be about the same since the main manufacturing costs are in the resolution rather than the size. So as you see there are slim picking for cost savings in a LCD iMac compared to an iBook.

Re:Already being sold... (1)

Drone-X (148724) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659727)

OTOH my Dell Inspiron has a 15" monitor with 1400x1050 (with 1600x1200 being available too) and large enough keys to use it as a desktop machine (in fact, that's what I use it for at the dorm). Perhaps laptops will soon be able to replace desktop machines for regular users?

Re:Already being sold... (1)

Refrag (145266) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659674)

The one distinguishing factor is that an iMac will have a larger monitor. The iBook's is 12.1" in order to give it truely portable dimensions -- it's roughly the size of a spiral-bound 8.5x11" notebook.

Re:Already being sold... (2)

msouth (10321) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659705)

THey already split the iMacs (and their other products) into around three configurations ("fast", "faster", "fastest" or "good", "better", "best"--I'm sure /.ers love those designations :).

They may just add a flat panel config at the high end.

I have an iMac (the current Graphite), and I really like the small footprint, etc. It would be even better if it were smaller and even quieter.

And it will probably look cool. I know it's hard for a geek to swallow that, but people like stuff that looks cool.

I would bet that they will leave the crt version up there--maybe it will be that only the low-end one has the crt rather than only the high-end having the LCD.

Just a few guesses.

mike.

Re:Already being sold... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2659763)

THey already split the iMacs (and their other products) into around three configurations ("fast", "faster", "fastest" or "good", "better", "best"--I'm sure /.ers love those designations :).

I expect /. editors will be using "good", "gooder" and "goodest" :)

Posting amonymously to perverse precocious Karma

Re:Already being sold... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2659774)

While I can see/understand the "smaller" request, I don't understand how iMacs could be made quieter. There is no fan in them: how can they be quieter? AFAIK, current iMacs are not known for the huge amount of noise they generate!

Re:Already being sold... (3, Insightful)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659841)

by moving to the LCD you loose the noise generated by the CRT power supply and the electron gun. granted, this is not realy that noise, but when the computer makes no noise you realy notice the thinks that do.

Re:Already being sold... (3, Insightful)

Surak (18578) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659733)

..it's called an iBook.

Nah... First of all, a flat-screen iMac would have a bigger screen, full sized keyboard, faster hard drive, etc. You aren't worried about power consumption nearly as much in a desktop as a laptop, so you can afford to put regular desktop components, which also happen to be cheaper.

Which leads me to my second point, which is that LCDs aren't the only reason laptops are expensive compared to desktops. Miniature hard drives, low-power consumption CPUs, etc. are more expensive (and are also slower) than their desktop cousins.

Thirdly, is the right price? I dunno. At $1200 the current iMac is pretty pricey for a so-called "low end" machine. I think Apple will probably put this machine in the same price category. They sold a bunch of iMac's at that price, they could sell a newer and better iMac at that price, I'm sure.

Re:Already being sold... (1)

Corporate Troll (537873) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659769)

Well, the iBook is a portable...meaning miniaturized, small keyboard, touchpad.

I think that an iMac-flatpanel will be more similar to the PS2 with Linux kit (LCD-flatscreen, keyboard, mouse). Perhaps, since it is an iMac, the main unit and the screen must be one...so think of it as an LCD screen where the socle is the main unit. Keyboard and mouse via USB on the side.
It's probably just my imagination, but I would design it that way.

Morgan (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2659620)

Trollwave 2001 -- an endless space odyssey in time.

Trolling for no apparent reason.

Troll network associates.

Kinda defeats the purpose (2)

SanLouBlues (245548) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659622)

IMO, imacs are cool because of the translucent plastic that lets you see the inside of the CRTs. A flat panel would just be like any thin PC spray painted fruity.

15 to 1 says it's got some sort of water cooling.

Water cooling? Huh? (0, Flamebait)

Wakko Warner (324) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659650)

Apple's chips simply run too slow to need any sort of active cooling. Besides, there's no way they'd mess with water cooling, not with the average intelligence of their users. Can you imagine hundreds of electrocuted Mac owners?

- A.P.

Re:Water cooling? Huh? (1)

linzeal (197905) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659685)

Can you imagine hundreds of electrocuted Mac owners?

Your point ?

Re:Water cooling? Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2659855)

Can you imagine hundreds of Mac owners ?

Re:Water cooling? Huh? (3, Redundant)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659930)

Apple's chips simply run too slow

don't be so foolish. the correct term would be a lower frequency (as denoted by the unit of measure, MHz/GHz)

this is not an indication of speed, it is an indication of how many cycles per second it has.
speed comes from how many operations can be performed per second or even howmany can be performed per cycle. Athlons perform more operations per cycle that P4s do, and G4s perform more operations per cycle than either of the two.

now when you multiply how many operations per cycle by the number of cycles, you get the number of operations per second, you can then make statments about speed.

if a P4 executes 1 operations per cycle and has 2 billion cycles per second, that is 2 billion operations per second.

if a G4 does 3 operations per cycle and operates at 667 Mhz, that is also 2 billion operations per cycle. both chips operate at the same speed, one however has a higher frequency that the other.

the speed of applications is irrelivent to the most part because each chip has their own optimizations that a program can take advantage of. I say for the most part, because you can compile an application with no optimizations for the architecture and then it would be possable to get a fel for each chips speed, however, the instruction sets are diffrent and one instruction set could be more efficient that the other, in which case you do not get an actual feel for raw speed of the architecture.

Re:Kinda defeats the purpose (2)

onion2k (203094) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659693)

If you could actually see inside the CRT ( cathode ray tube ) itself, the screen brightness would probably be a bit lacking.

Re:Kinda defeats the purpose (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2659760)

Water cooling? Why would they do that? They can make G4s that only need heat sinks, so why would they bother with an expensive, complicated watercooled G3?

water? no way (2)

mr.ska (208224) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659819)

They didn't even put a FAN in the iMac - it was cooled entirely by convection. Now with a CRT out of the way, you think they'll put in water cooling?

I'll bet you a ThinkGeek T-shirt [thinkgeek.com] that there won't be water cooling. I take size large, thanks.

Re:water? no way (1)

yellowjacket03 (470997) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659885)

Actually, until the slot-loading iMacs came out, the units had a decent sized fan under the CRT.

Re:Kinda defeats the purpose (2, Funny)

ArhcAngel (247594) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659846)

I think you are onto something. It will sorta be water cooled. Or actually the water will be CPU heated. They are gonna keep the same plastics but the part where the CRT is now will be a spot for your pet goldfish. Just don't go in and start overclocking your CPU or you'll end up with fish for dinner.

TV Show costs... (2, Flamebait)

Otis_INF (130595) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659626)

Imagine all those soaps and shows where people only work with iMac's instead of real computers... they all have to upgrade to avoid to look dated! Sell WB stock now!

Re:TV Show costs... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2659684)

I know what you mean. On Buffy, Willow seems to get a new iBook every friggin' year! Does she even have a job?

might release... for release... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2659628)

so when will they release this release? will the release be released soon?

Price ? (1)

sconest (188729) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659640)

Wouldn't that put up the price of iMac (which are supposed to be low-end of mac range) ?

Re:Price ? (2)

Dutchmaan (442553) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659672)

There was speculation that is the reason Apple raised the price of it's high end iMac last time. That way when the transition to a flat panel iMac came around it could remain at the same price upon release and still be considered the 'entry level' mac.

So... (3, Funny)

jayhawk88 (160512) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659642)

How long before MacCentral, MacRumor, MacAttack, or whoever releases a "secret" pick of this new flat-panel iMac. I'm eager to claim that the picture is a fake Photoshop job, and that there's no way this will ever exist, only to be proven wrong a month later.

Well, this old rumor is bound to be true someday. (5, Funny)

mttlg (174815) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659645)

This has got to be the most common Apple rumor in recent years. The flat-panel iMac is always predicted at every major MacWorld Expo, and so far it hasn't materialized. Maybe it will this time, but Mac rumors have been so far off in the past that a lot of people don't pay attention to them anymore.

Re:Well, this old rumor is bound to be true someda (1)

Mr. Quick (35198) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659723)

rumors are killing apple... while it's true, most people tend to ignore them (you and me both), too many believe them. for example, the iPod. it was hyped-up so much that when people actually saw it, it was a let down, even tho it's a great piece of hardware (a bit costly, but cool)...

i hope the lcdMac comes out, then people will keep quiet... well, at least until some other nutzo rumor comes out.

Re:Well, this old rumor is bound to be true someda (3, Interesting)

Evro (18923) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659832)

When the iMac was unveiled it was considered by many to be nearly revolutionary. Whether you agree with this sentiment or not is another issue. However that was (I believe) in 1998, and it's nearly 2002 and the iMac of today is visually almost identical to the 1998 firstborn Bondi Blue iMac. Yeah, there have been color changes, hard drive upgrades, speed bumps, memory increases, and now even a slot-loading cd/dvd/whatever drive, but the external appearance is pretty much unchanged. Normally this wouldn't matter for a computer, but the iMac was a hit because of its style.

So it's time for something "revolutionary" again. I've heard rumors of the flat panel iMac from lame sites like Mac OS Rumors since at least the end of 1998. Actually this particular rumor (and its failure to materialize) was one reason I stopped reading MOSR and its ilk and realized what garbage they were.

So if Steve Jobs unveils a flat panel iMac, it won't be a big surprise. The difference now will be if he doesn't, analysts will be disappointed and Apple's stock price will probably take a minor hit.

Like the PCs I see in TigerDirect? (2, Offtopic)

jfsather (310648) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659646)

So would it look like this http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTool s/item-details.asp?sku=D158-1008 [tigerdirect.com] only in different colors then? Is this really that new of a concept? These things have been in the last few Tiger catalogs I've gotten.

-J

Re:Like the 20th Anniversary Mac? (3, Informative)

greed (112493) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659708)

Not only has this been done before, it has been done by Apple [lowendmac.com] before, in 1997.

So, with the price of LCD panels dropping, it's the obvious next step... but it just isn't a breakthrough (except getting it done at a price suitable for iMac).

Re:Like the PCs I see in TigerDirect? (2)

turbine216 (458014) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659765)

well, no...these are MACS. No windows here.

Re:Like the PCs I see in TigerDirect? (2)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659950)

all they are doing is taking notebook technology and making it into a desktop machine...you none of the advantages that a real desktop has, like nice easy upgrades and more powerful hardware. a flatpanel iMac will be desktop hardware not notebook hardware.

Cool (1)

glowingspleen (180814) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659649)

That sounds like a way better idea than the wood panelling I was planning for my basement.

The only question now is what color to go with...Lime or Tangerine?

If gateway can, then apple prolly will... (1)

jpellino (202698) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659656)

remember, steve makes sure he has either michael or ted in his sights every time they intro a new box - and usually makes a point of it in the presentation.

if gateway can do a legacy box with an lcd for $999 - no reason apple can't put the well-paid-for imac guts in one - they already match gateway & dell in price for the low end (approx $800) - it was finally a $200 delta in the price of their monitors anyway - $399 crt vs $599 lcd when the cube ended.

I can see the ad campaign now.... (2, Funny)

Trinity-Infinity (91335) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659660)

Say hello to "iFlat"

Re:I can see the ad campaign now.... (2, Funny)

lizrd (69275) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659715)

Say hello to "iFlat"

Good thing that they sell computers and not bras. :)

Re:I can see the ad campaign now.... (1)

Corporate Troll (537873) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659894)

They can call it whatever they want, as long as it doesn't have influence on the bust size of artist impressions [toyboxarts.com] .

Again? (3, Funny)

ruiner13 (527499) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659665)

Haven't the "analysts" been saying that for about a year now? Then they covered their own asses by saying that Apple was just waiting until the economy picked up. Well, the economy is still esentially flat, and they are starting this up again? Until I actually see one, I don't care what all these supposed in-the-know people think, since they don't seem to get things right as much as they get things wrong. Remember when they said the iPod was a DVR? Come on guys... creating unsubstantiated rumors don't help anyone, although they do get your name put on a document that will soon be proven wrong.

Oh yeah, I think I read that the new iMac would be completely solar powered and hovers weightless whereever you want it totally negating the need for a desk. And it reads your mind, all thanks to the new G6 processor. ;)

Re:Again? (2)

turbine216 (458014) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659965)

The article cited a source with a MAJOR financial analyst who stated that a MASSIVE order for parts has been placed. This is not exactly what i would call "unsubstantiated."

Cynicism has its place and appropriate context, but unfortunately for you, this is not it. Sorry to disappoint.

Like these rumored looks? (3, Interesting)

sandidge (150265) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659669)

http://www.acorncreative.tv/imac2.html [acorncreative.tv]

I'll take any of them.

Re:Like these rumored looks? (1)

Bwana (2384) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659850)

*jaw-dropping*

wow.

Re:Like these rumored looks? (1)

innate (472375) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659936)

Does that iMac have... breasts?

Re:Like these rumored looks? (2, Insightful)

InnereNacht (529021) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659963)

That's all fine and dandy, buuuut....

What are they going to use for their low-end market? Look at those things! I realize they're not actual production iMacs, but they're going to have a hell of a time keeping cost down on them. A 15" (viewable) costs around $300-600 more than your average 15" (13.9" viewable) CRT.

Making the new iMacs come in at around $1100. Eef.

Imacs and colors (1)

slutdot (207042) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659671)

Apple really ought to get back into the business of selling computers rather than furniture. Flamboyancy only appeals to a niche market and it's appeal is usually short run. Apple would probably be better off giving us a reason to buy their computer for other purposes besides it looking great on a desk and your friends might be impressed.

Re:Imacs and colors (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2659759)

How about

1.) A real operating system with an easy to use GUI and a powerful CLI that is useful for everyone from grandmother to Linux junky?

2.) Solid hardware that requires very little maintenance (unlike e.g. my last Dell box).

3.) Support in the OS for ISO892.11b, DVD-R, etc.?

Naw, Apple doesn't provide anything other than bright colors . . .

Re:Imacs and colors (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2659786)

Yeah. Like if they had chips which were just as fast/fast than x86...and ran cooler. Hold on a minute...Have you ever used a G4? I know that photoshop optimizes its' software for G4s but man, it blows x86 out of the water!
Or how about they use a *nix type operating system, which has everything you could want of a command prompt, and the most usable GUI I've ever seen?(not to mention the prettiest)

No, those reasons aren't enough. People are afraid to like macs. Why?
Because they associate macs with stupidity, for no reason other than prejudice.
Admit it, if mac came out with a device that could be used to travel time and teleport to locations, you'd say something like...
"That sucks, it only travels *time*, and why does it have to be red"
It's time for the geek crowd to grow up and realize that you should use whatever tool suits the job. Drop all the elitist bullshit and use what is nice. Macs are nice to use. (ok, so I did get a nice 3 button mouse)

Re:Imacs and colors (2, Insightful)

davechen (247143) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659848)

OS X. iDVD. iTunes. Final Cut Pro 3.

Sure Apple is know for their design aesthetic, but they have some really cool technology too.

Don't forget about the weight. (3, Insightful)

llamalicious (448215) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659673)

Apple can both save on shipping costs and bill their new iMac's as semi-portable...
hell, they're small enough now that with a retracting power cord and wireless mouse/keyboard that they might as well be.

With some depthwise space savings from the removal of the CRT, and the removal of the weight from the glass, they could throw a cord retractor and keyboard/mouse dock on the back of the thing...

Anyhow, it's about time, I think that's going to be a killer machine. (As long as I don't buy an iMac and get a dead friggin pixel in the center of my screen)

gateway profile series (1)

cvd6262 (180823) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659681)

gateway already has flat-panel, all-in-one pcs. I avoid them, 'cuz you can't really upgrade 'em.

Re:gateway profile series (2, Insightful)

TeknoHog (164938) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659742)

gateway already has flat-panel, all-in-one pcs. I avoid them, 'cuz you can't really upgrade 'em.

The idea is to replace the original iMac. How upgradeable was that? Macs in general are not designed to be über-hackable. They are aimed at designers and the like, for whom k3w1 looks are more important than k3w1 internals.

It's been done (3, Informative)

Alomex (148003) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659686)

IBM already sells something of this sort: Netvista X series [ibm.com]

Blatant Karma whoring: (2)

larien (5608) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659691)

See this story [theregister.co.uk] over at the Register [theregister.co.uk]

Flat iMac (1)

YearOfTheDragon (527417) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659694)

You can buy a flat display [apple.com] for your Power Mac G4
Apple Studio Display (15" flat panel) $599.00
But some news sites say that No flat-panel iMac at Macworld Expo next week [macminute.com]
The really news may be the $ that costs such a Mac (Design+power+flat screen)

Re:Flat iMac (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2659827)

DUDE!! check the date on that article, it's July,11 meaning it's talking about the last macworld, in which they did just increase the processor speed

2 Mac stories in a row!!!!!!!! (0, Offtopic)

joel8x (324102) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659695)

My God, what is this world comming to ;-)

macinblah (-1, Troll)

rewtbeer (301781) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659697)

apple should start having ads that say "think loser" with picture of apple. or think "the underdog" "yeah we lost, but isn't it cool to root for the underdog? buy an apple!" "PLEASE!"

The immortal words of kromsluther

A lighter, more luggable luggable (2)

LazyDawg (519783) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659713)

Its about time Apple put a flat panel on their mac. Now it'll look even more badass through the transparent top, and maybe there'll be room for expansion slots. In any case, the flat panel will make it much easier to lug around without having to change the overall form factor.

Now all they need to do is make the thing as cheap as the original imac and we're cooking.

Here's another view on why they won't do it (-1)

robvasquez (411139) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659718)

Low End Mac [lowendmac.com] has an article.

In case it is /.'ed

You've read the rumors. They've been around for a year or two. Apple will be replacing the iMac's big, heavy CRT with a flat panel display.

Sorry, it's not going to happen.

The iMac is Apple's lowest cost, entry level computer. Flat panel displays cost a heck of a lot more than CRTs. Sure, there's some saving from shipping a smaller lighter box, some from not having to dish out at much power to drive the display, and some from not having to worry about aligning the display and not damaging it in shipping, but between them they don't outweigh the simple fact that the iMac with a CRT may always cost less than an iMac with a flat panel display.

Besides, Apple already has a flat panel iMac -- it's called the iBook. For not too much more money than you'd pay for an iMac, you get a 1024x768 flat panel display, a small footprint, a light package, portability, and hours upon hours of battery life.

What would Apple gain from selling a flat panel iMac instead of an iBook? Nothing. The iBook is the more flexible computer.

What would users gain from a flat panel iMac instead of an iBook? A small footprint desktop computer more portable than the original Macintosh and an easier-on-the-eyes display.

What would Apple lose from selling a flat panel iMac? iBook sales. Power Mac G4 + flat panel display sales. Maybe even some PowerBook sales.

What would users lose with a flat panel iMac compared with an iBook? Battery power, a more fully integrated design (keyboard and trackpad built in, not plugged in), and high portability.

It Won't Be an iMac
For the near future, Apple will keep the CRT-based iMac going, hopefully reducing its price a bit more every six months or so. But Apple recognizes that the fastest growing segment of the personal computer market it portables. I'm one of many users who migrated from a desktop Mac to a PowerBook or iBook over the last year or so. Over time, that will become a more common pattern. When there's a small difference in price between a desktop and a display compared to a laptop, the laptop will generally be the logical choice.

Not to say that Apple won't try to fill the Cube's empty niche an release a worthy successor to the 20th Anniversary Mac. I half expect to see a new flat panel Macintosh at Macworld Expo in January, probably built around the same 15" flat panel display Apple now sells separately. It will be less costly than a Power Mac G4 and Apple's 15" display, but it will be more expensive than the top-end iMac.

As a fan of the old compact Macs and someone who adores the Color Classic's design (if not its performance), I'd love to see Apple do one of two things:

Release 12", 15", and 17" flat panel Macs using the iBook's display on the low end, the 15" display or TiBook display in the middle, and a 1280x1024 display at the top end.
Create a docking system that allows a computer module to couple with a 12", 15", 17", or even 22" display, essentially turning the duo into one computer.
Whether Apple will do different sizes, I don't know. Whether they will have a flat panel Mac to show in January, I don't know.

But you can count on one thing -- they won't call it an iMac.

Re:Here's another view on why they won't do it (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2659770)


Last I heard, Apple was only going to be making laptops.

Old Rumor (3, Interesting)

fireloins (139444) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659720)

The release of a flat panel iMac has been rumored for a long time. See for example this article [cnet.com] from July.

While the reported component order gives the rumor slightly stronger legs, don't forget that Apple already buys lots of 15" LCDs for their 15" Studio Display [apple.com] . It would be very interesting to know how many of these monitors Apple currently sells per month. Perhaps the additional 100kmonitors/month is simply forecasting additional demand?

never be a flat screen imac (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2659721)

the imac is supposed to be the low end, remember? adding a flat screen and all that would put the price above the $999 that the last group of imacs demanded. however, i can say that will be released, whenever it's released, will be pretty...different.

my dream -- the iMac II (2)

frankie (91710) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659729)

Think back 15 years. We had the Mac, Mac Plus, Mac SE [apple-history.com] . In recent years were the iMac, iMac DV, iMac SE [apple-history.com] . Apple loves to re-use concepts -- my old toaster Mac had a SuperDrive [google.com] .

I'd love to see an iMac equivalent of the IIci or the LC3 [apple-history.com] . Flat panel, compact desktop case, one or two expansion slots, and much cheaper than the pro towers. Basically, what the Cube should have been. It can be done. They have the technology. But is Lord Steve willing to do it?

Re:my dream -- the iMac II (1)

mrseigen (518390) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659783)

Right on. Low-cost desktop enclosure all the way. Maybe even like a NeXT slab, if Steve's feeling like a trip down memory lane. Maybe we don't even need a flat panel... most people still use huge friggin' CRTs. Maybe they could even do a G4/G5 version of the 7100 case. Plenty of expansion for one of those. Who knows, it might be all the translucent plastic that's driving the price up :p

Apple and the DMCA (OT) (0, Offtopic)

BoarderPhreak (234086) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659753)

fucking slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2659896)

what, suddenly the dmca isn't news anymore? you whores

Is your son a computer hacker? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2659754)

As an enlightened, modern parent, I try to be as involved as possible in the
lives of my six children. I encourage them to join team sports. I attend
their teen parties with them to ensure no drinking or alcohol is on the
premises. I keep a fatherly eye on the CDs they listen to and the shows they
watch, the company they keep and the books they read. You could say I'm a
model parent. My children have never failed to make me proud, and I can say
without the slightest embellishment that I have the finest family in the
USA.

Two years ago, my wife Carol and I decided that our children's education
would not be complete without some grounding in modern computers. To this
end, we bought our children a brand new Compaq to learn with. The kids had a
lot of fun using the handful of application programs we'd bought, such as
Adobe's Photoshop and Microsoft's Word, and my wife and I were pleased that
our gift was received so well. Our son Peter was most entranced by the
device, and became quite a pro at surfing the net. When Peter began to spend
whole days on the machine, I became concerned, but Carol advised me to calm
down, and that it was only a passing phase. I was content to bow to her
experience as a mother, until our youngest daughter, Cindy, charged into the
living room one night to blurt out: "Peter is a computer hacker!"

As you can imagine, I was amazed. A computer hacker in my own house! I began
to monitor my son's habits, to make certain that Cindy wasn't just telling
stories, as she is prone to doing at times.

After a few days of investigation, and some research into computer hacking,
I confronted Peter with the evidence. I'm afraid to say, this was the only
time I have ever been truly disappointed in one of my children. We raised
them to be honest and to have integrity, and Peter betrayed the principles
we tried to encourage in him, when he refused point blank to admit to his
activities. His denials continued for hours, and in the end, I was left with
no choice but to ban him from using the computer until he is old enough to
be responsible for his actions.

After going through this ordeal with my own family, I was left pondering how
I could best help others in similar situations. I'd gained a lot of
knowledge over those few days regarding hackers. It's only right that I
provide that information to other parents, in the hope that they will be
able to tell if their children are being drawn into the world of hacking.
Perhaps other parents will be able to steer their sons back onto the
straight and narrow before read this list carefully and if their son matches
the profile, they should take action. A smart parent will first try to
reason with their son, before resorting to groundings, or even spanking. I
pride myself that I have never had to spank a child, and I hope this guide
will help other parents to put a halt to their son's misbehaviour before a
spanking becomes necessary.

1. Has your son asked you to change ISPs?

Most American families use trusted and responsible Internet Service
Providers, such as AOL. These providers have a strict "No Hacking" policy,
and take careful measures to ensure that your internet experience is
enjoyable, educational and above all legal. If your child is becoming a
hacker, one of his first steps will be to request a change to a more hacker
friendly provider.

I would advise all parents to refuse this request. One of the reasons your
son is interested in switching providers is to get away from AOL's child
safety filter. This filter is vital to any parent who wants his son to enjoy
the internet without the endangering him through exposure to "adult"
content. It is best to stick with the protection AOL provides, rather than
using a home-based solution. If your son is becoming a hacker, he will be
able to circumvent any home-based measures with surprising ease, using
information gleaned from various hacker sites.

2. Are you finding programs on your computer that you don't remember
installing?

Your son will probably try to install some hacker software. He may attempt
to conceal the presence of the software in some way, but you can usually
find any new programs by reading through the programs listed under
"Install/Remove Programs" in your control panel. Popular hacker software
includes "Comet Cursor", "Bonzi Buddy" and "Flash".

The best option is to confront your son with the evidence, and force him to
remove the offending programs. He will probably try to install the software
again, but you will be able to tell that this is happening, if your machine
offers to "download" one of the hacker applications. If this happens, it is
time to give your son a stern talking to, and possibly consider punishing
him with a grounding.

3. Has your child asked for new hardware?

Computer hackers are often limited by conventional computer hardware. They
may request "faster" video cards, and larger hard drives, or even more
memory. If your son starts requesting these devices, it is possible that he
has a legitimate need. You can best ensure that you are buying legal,
trustworthy hardware by only buying replacement parts from your computer's
manufacturer.

If your son has requested a new "processor" from a company called "AMD",
this is genuine cause for alarm. AMD is a third-world based company who make
inferior, "knock-off" copies of American processor chips. They use child
labor extensively in their third world sweatshops, and they deliberately
disable the security features that American processor makers, such as Intel,
use to prevent hacking. AMD chips are never sold in stores, and you will
most likely be told that you have to order them from internet sites. Do not
buy this chip! This is one request that you must refuse your son, if you are
to have any hope of raising him well.

4. Does your child read hacking manuals?

If you pay close attention to your son's reading habits, as I do, you will
be able to determine a great deal about his opinions and hobbies. Children
are at their most impressionable in the teenage years. Any father who has
had a seventeen year old daughter attempt to sneak out on a date wearing
make up and perfume is well aware of the effect that improper influences can
have on inexperienced minds.

There are, unfortunately, many hacking manuals available in bookshops today.
A few titles to be on the lookout for are: "Snow Crash" and "Cryptonomicon"
by Neal Stephenson; "Neuromancer" by William Gibson; "Programming with Perl"
by Timothy O'Reilly; "Geeks" by Jon Katz; "The Hacker Crackdown" by Bruce
Sterling; "Microserfs" by Douglas Coupland; "Hackers" by Steven Levy; and
"The Cathedral and the Bazaar" by Eric S. Raymond.

If you find any of these hacking manuals in your child's possession,
confiscate them immediately. You should also petition local booksellers to
remove these titles from their shelves. You may meet with some resistance at
first, but even booksellers have to bow to community pressure.

5. How much time does your child spend using the computer each day?

If your son spends more than thirty minutes each day on the computer, he may
be using it to DOS other peoples sites. DOSing involves gaining access to
the "command prompt" on other people's machines, and using it to tie up
vital internet services. This can take up to eight hours. If your son is
doing this, he is breaking the law, and you should stop him immediately. The
safest policy is to limit your children's access to the computer to a
maximum of forty-five minutes each day.

6. Does your son use Quake?

Quake is an online virtual reality used by hackers. It is a popular meeting
place and training ground, where they discuss hacking and train in the use
of various firearms. Many hackers develop anti-social tendencies due to the
use of this virtual world, and it may cause erratic behaviour at home and at
school.

If your son is using Quake, you should make hime understand that this is not
acceptable to you. You should ensure all the firearms in your house are
carefully locked away, and have trigger locks installed. You should also
bring your concerns to the attention of his school.

7. Is your son becoming argumentative and surly in his social behaviour?

As a child enters the electronic world of hacking, he may become disaffected
with the real world. He may lose the ability to control his actions, or
judge the rightness or wrongness of a course of behaviour. This will
manifest itself soonest in the way he treats others. Those whom he disagrees
with will be met with scorn, bitterness, and even foul language. He may
utter threats of violence of a real or electronic nature.

Even when confronted, your son will probably find it difficult to talk about
this problem to you. He will probably claim that there is no problem, and
that you are imagining things. He may tell you that it is you who has the
problem, and you should "back off" and "stop smothering him." Do not allow
yourself to be deceived. You are the only chance your son has, even if he
doesn't understand the situation he is in. Keep trying to get through to
him, no matter how much he retreats into himself.

8. Is your son obsessed with "Lunix"?

BSD, Lunix, Debian and Mandrake are all versions of an illegal hacker
operation system, invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos
Torovoltos, before the Russians lost the Cold War. It is based on a program
called "xenix", which was written by Microsoft for the US government. These
programs are used by hackers to break into other people's computer systems
to steal credit card numbers. They may also be used to break into people's
stereos to steal their music, using the "mp3" program. Torovoltos is a
notorious hacker, responsible for writing many hacker programs, such as
"telnet", which is used by hackers to connect to machines on the internet
without using a telephone.

Your son may try to install "lunix" on your hard drive. If he is careful,
you may not notice its presence, however, lunix is a capricious beast, and
if handled incorrectly, your son may damage your computer, and even break it
completely by deleting Windows, at which point you will have to have your
computer repaired by a professional.

If you see the word "LILO" during your windows startup (just after you turn
the machine on), your son has installed lunix. In order to get rid of it,
you will have to send your computer back to the manufacturer, and have them
fit a new hard drive. Lunix is extremely dangerous software, and cannot be
removed without destroying part of your hard disk surface.

9. Has your son radically changed his appearance?

If your son has undergone a sudden change in his style of dress, you may
have a hacker on your hands. Hackers tend to dress in bright, day-glo
colors. They may wear baggy pants, bright colored shirts and spiky hair dyed
in bright colors to match their clothes. They may take to carrying
"glow-sticks" and some wear pacifiers around their necks. (I have no idea
why they do this) There are many such hackers in schools today, and your son
may have started to associate with them. If you notice that your son's group
of friends includes people dressed like this, it is time to think about a
severe curfew, to protect him from dangerous influences.

10. Is your son struggling academically?

If your son is failing courses in school, or performing poorly on sports
teams, he may be involved in a hacking group, such as the infamous "Otaku"
hacker association. Excessive time spent on the computer, communicating with
his fellow hackers may cause temporary damage to the eyes and brain, from
the electromagnetic radiation. This will cause his marks to slip
dramatically, particularly in difficult subjects such as Math, and
Chemistry. In extreme cases, over-exposure to computer radiation can cause
schizophrenia, meningitis and other psychological diseases. Also, the
reduction in exercise may cause him to lose muscle mass, and even to start
gaining weight. For the sake of your child's mental and physical health, you
must put a stop to his hacking, and limit his computer time drastically. He might suck fat dicks like CmdrTaco and JonKatz. He'll be a big fat sack of shit like CowboyNeal. He might think he is a nigger, fag or jew.

I encourage all parents to read through this guide carefully. Your child's
future may depend upon it. Hacking is an illegal and dangerous activity,
that may land your child in prison, and tear your family apart. It cannot be
taken too seriously.

please oh please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2659771)

man, I would love to use MAC equipment... but unfortunately it usually is incompatable with anything else. That and it is very likely that the trend at Apple will continue to be 'buy our stuff and be happy with what you get'. Ummm, I want to change and upgrade, and I don't see MAC's as providing me with that opportunity. Crawl out of your niche Apple and join the rest of the world please, I would then be able to use your stuff and be rather happy.

Floppy (0, Troll)

Drakula (222725) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659830)

Great! Now they can finally add the floppy drive that's been missing....

Common apple rumors. (5, Funny)

saintlupus (227599) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659834)

Right. They'll announce it between the new Apple PDA and the Disney buyout.

And then Hitler will build a snowman.

--saint

Re:Common apple rumors. (1)

Bwana (2384) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659865)

Apple's on a streak now. I wouldn't doubt them.

1. Mac OS X
2. iPod

Not the first, but... (5, Insightful)

oranjdisc (530731) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659835)

Granted, Gateway, HP, etc have come out with flat panel consumer PCs, so the fact that Apple can stir up a bunch of rumor news with a flat panel product may leave some scratching their heads wondering what the big hoopla is. Think about the iPod. Yeah, there are plenty of mp3 players out there, but it took the design team at Apple to create the best one. Apple took their time, and GOT IT RIGHT. The same can be said for the next iMac. It may have the same specs as some other machines out there now, but it'll make everything else look like junk when it comes out. Obviously I haven't seen it, but knowing Apple's track record I'm sure it'll be amazing.

The trouble with LCD iMacs is.... (5, Informative)

vanguard (102038) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659837)

The trouble with LCD iMacs is the education market. Schools don't buy iMacs just because they are cheaper than iBooks, they buy them because they are more durable.

The abuse that a computer takes in a school setting is enough to make me cringe.

Still, I like the idea of having a LCD iMac. It would be cool for me, I'm just not sure that it will work in the education market. (Yeah, I know. Maine just bought 38,600 iBooks. Still, most schools buy iMacs.)

Side effects (3, Interesting)

forgoil (104808) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659847)

Shipping even more flat screens has definitly interesting side effects. This means that Apple wants to lower the prize (for themselves) and it means all flat screens will be cheaper, and I am hoping it will be cheaper faster. This implies that I could, the next time I want a new computer, two at least 19", LCDs together with my brand new nVidia GF++.

So, everybody who doesn't care, or are mac maniacs, go buy one of these;)

Let us just hope (2, Insightful)

A_Non_Moose (413034) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659849)

that they advertise the damn thing.

The new iPod commercial actually has a blip of OS X, and yet it is a mere 2 second glimpse.
Sad.

Reminds me of the same situation that AMD is in.
Great product, little or no exposure to "the unwashed masses/joe+/or jane 6 pack".

It almost seems to me as if they are taking the "female" tact of "if you don't know, I'm not going to tell you"...

(hint: never come back with 'If you don't tell me, how am I supposed to know'...big mistake... more pain than "yes, your but does look big")

Both make great products (amd/apple) but in the AMD the hardware needs exposure, with Apple, their new os (OS X, naturally) is in *dire* need of some air time...at least more than 2 seconds.

And "flat panel" imacs...well like the G5 rumors, I'll believe it when I see it.

Oh, whatever happened to "I/we don't comment on unreleased products."?

I'm suprised Steve Jobs has not repealed that policy and said, yes we will have a G5/flat panel Imac/whaterver rumor...but it is slated for release *after* 3 or more years.

IOW, beat the users and rumour mongers with a clue stick and the truth.

Yeah?

Cheers.

Moose.

.

CmdrTaco's fortune cookie say... (3, Funny)

Fortune Master (540773) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659861)

Apple will award you with a large cash bonus after you become their premiere PR agency.

But then I'd rather see... (1)

Viceice (462967) | more than 12 years ago | (#2659952)

... a mac with USB 2.0 then some fancy lifestyle thing... just think about it.. USB2.0 will let you use a 16x10x40 Ext CD-R drive instead of a crappy 6x USB1/Firewire 'enabled' drive...
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