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*BSD is dying (-1)

Klerck (213193) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661728)

*BSD is dying

Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when last month IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last [sysadminmag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

*BSD is dying

FP!! (-1)

CmderTaco (533794) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661729)

Could it be? Yes! IT IS!!! first post!

Re:FP!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2661770)

Nope. The "BSD is dying" idiot beat ya.

Feline Poop (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2661731)

Fuck you all you motherfucking LambdaMOOers! Piss on you all!

No kidding (2, Offtopic)

RedOregon (161027) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661733)

Of course you can become addicted... just as you can become addicted to smokes, or scratching your nose, or giggling in an irritating way. What's the news flash here... I just don't get it.

Re:No kidding (1)

Candy (2257) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661789)

Yep, I agree. Either I really did not get the point or this is really no news to me. Buut red oregon. Could somebody get addicted to giggle in an irritating way, or is this more or less a consequence of beeing addicted to smokes?? ;-))

I followed up a link... (5, Insightful)

Lemmy Caution (8378) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661861)

Looking at the actual Everquest Widows board, I noticed two things: first, that most of the people their blamed their partners for their addictive behaviors, not the game itself (and thus were not calling for anything resembling regulation, just to preempt that thread), and that second and more interestingly, some gamers themselves noted that the game was particularly addicting because it took so long and so much time and effort to actually accomplish anything in Everquest.

That's what is interesting about this question. Most games have some sort of "payoff" device that is implicit when you play it. When you get that payoff, whether it is the final goal or some sort of intermediary plateau, you take a breather and appreciate your accomplishment. If a game defers that payoff and continues to promise it, it will become more and more of a time-sink. THis fairly much appeals to the natural structure of human motivation - it's *designed* to generate obsessive behavior.

Of course it's real. (1)

Tebriel (192168) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661735)

Ever play Dr. Mario? That'll get you every time.

Re:Of course it's real. (1)

shaolind (323111) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661763)

Civilization was one of the most addicting games I've ever been hooked on. "Just one more round...then I'll get two hours sleep, and go to work...maybe play somemore there too!"

Anyone else have any stories like that?

Re:Of course it's real. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2661782)

Ugh, I did that last night with Civ3 until 3:00am in the morning! Again!! I really got to go to bed on time tonight!

Re:Of course it's real. (1)

Bob McCown (8411) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661798)

The original Civ was great, and very addicting. Civ 3 is doing the same thing for me.

Mental note: Don't piss off Ghandi, he'll send ships full of elephant troops to burn down your cities. Ask me how I know that one! :)

Re:Of course it's real. (1)

Candy (2257) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661865)

No I wont. ;-))

I am not addicted (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2661737)

I am testing the network bandwidth

I would post a longer response... (4, Funny)

night_flyer (453866) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661738)

but I have to get back to unreal tournament...

Answer (-1)

The Turd Report (527733) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661740)

They don't want to cope with the Real World, so they retreat to their fantasy world where they are all powerful. Duh!

I'd respond to this news post...but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2661743)

I'm too busy playing Super Smash Brothers Melee...

Re:I'd respond to this news post...but... (-1)

CmderTaco (533794) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661874)

You'd be a successful Karma whore, but someone else already beat you to posting a very similar post and got modded up for it. Probabally just going to get -1 redundant now...

It's true! The ghost of Steve Jobs exists! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2661744)

I didn't think it would be possible, but I saw the ghost of Steve Jobs last night in an alley in Tijuana, getting a palm-job from a she-male. Boy will the tabloids have a field day with that doozie of a story. The ghost of Steve Jobs exists!

why become addicted? (2)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661755)

because you had a hard day at work and you need to blow off some steam. so you load up HL or Q or URT and start killing people..it is very good at releaving stress.

the best one though is GTA3....I realy hope that the PC version is multiplayer.

Psychologists are getting bored (3, Insightful)

scott1853 (194884) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661756)

Before it was called an "addiction" is was called a "hobby".

Re:Psychologists are getting bored (4, Interesting)

GospelHead821 (466923) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661844)

Did you read the article? A hobby does not cause one to fail to attend school for a semester in order to play EverQuest. A hobby does not lead one to play Civilization for seven straight years. Yes, this is an addiction. A hobby is a healthy way of spending one's free time. When it reaches the point where the hobby begins demanding more than than you have free and you gladly feed it that time, then it is an addiction.

Seven straight years!??!?!?! (4, Funny)

denshi (173594) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661879)

Did I miss an expansion pack? Where is the 'play for seven years' map in Civilization? What's the time scale on that mission?

It's like The Sims, only someone is playing you...

I'm working on a theory (1)

joeflies (529536) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661758)

There's usually a direct relationship between gaming addiction, level of responsibility (social, family or work), and the amount of non-medicinal controlled substances used.

I hope so (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2661760)

As a 'pusher' (game developer), I hope they never find a cure. :)

Everquest (1)

Komi (89040) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661762)

I have a friend that got sucked into the Everquest addiction. He stopped going to school, and just played it all day. He kept staying up later and later getting more out of phase with the rest of the world that finally it looped back around and he started going to bed at the regular time again. He wound up selling his ebay character and some magic boots on Ebay for about $1000, but he blew a sememster at school, -$3000.

komi

addiction? what addiction? (3, Funny)

MoNsTeR (4403) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661765)

I only have 5 game consoles, and I only upgrade my computer once every 6 months! I mean, it's not like I have more games than books or anything...

I'm in control, I can quit whenever I want! Y.. You don't think I have a problem, right?
...
/Right?/

Umm Hello? (2, Insightful)

rveno1 (470619) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661766)

How about a thread commenting our addiction to slashdot?

bah what isn't addictive? (1)

MantridDronemaker (541253) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661767)

Pretty much anything has the potential to be addictive- "everything in moderation" is the key I think!

Re:bah what isn't addictive? (3, Insightful)

nomadic (141991) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661855)

No no no. To quote William Blake, "The path of excess leads to the palace of wisdom".

It's very simple (5, Insightful)

tswinzig (210999) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661768)

People with 'addictive personalities' can become addicted to ANYTHING.

Period. End of story.

Re:It's very simple (2)

jmccay (70985) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661875)

Even people without addictive personalities can get addicted to games. For me the addiction was Moria, Angband, CivII, and I think Star Craft. I ended my addiction by stop playing the games.
I have hear talk radio shows about this and have heard all types of people call in to complain about their gaming addiction--even cops.
Now, to figure out a safe withdrawl from my slashdot addiction. :)

Re:It's very simple (2, Insightful)

hansk (107187) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661878)

Like Slashdotters that are constantly adding comments hoping to build up Karma.

Re:It's very simple (1)

Masem (1171) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661884)

Pshaw, I don't believe it! and I bet that others don't believe this as well either! I'm just going to keep reloading this page until the moderation proves you otherwise, there! That'll show ya!

(</joke>, for those that can't see it)

Short term addiction (1)

mplex (19482) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661887)

I always have an intense addiction to a game until I come close to mastering it and I'm done. I just tend to burn through things like games, but the games seem to be getting better.

I've got one word for you...EverQuest (1)

mgw1181 (214961) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661769)

The people who play that define "game addict".

I'm not addicted ... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2661771)

... but I got to go now ... "the game" is starting.

Indirect gaming addiction (5, Funny)

quartz (64169) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661772)

The last game I played was Metal Gear Solid 2. Nice game, but my wife got addicted to watching it because of the stupid long movies. When I finished it, she asked me to play it on a higher difficulty level so she can watch it again. :-/

Re:Indirect gaming addiction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2661829)

Guessing via your sig, you play MGS2 through your PC?

Re:Indirect gaming addiction (1)

quartz (64169) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661883)

No, not really. I use the S-Video port on my monitor [dell.com] .

Not bad as addictions go...or is it? (0)

akincaid (471204) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661773)

If you had to choose an addiction, computer games is a mild one. Personally, I have missed midterms while playing games, but then I've missed midterms to sleep too.

Just like gambling (2)

Quasar1999 (520073) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661774)

I'm a addicted to gambling... and believe me, when you got $100 riding on a Q3 tournament, it's addictive!

Gaming? (2)

tcc (140386) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661775)

The Net alone is a real addiction, Gaming is just one branch of the tree.

F1RST POST! FP FP FP FP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2661778)

suck on DeEZ n00tz muddafuqqa!

Not First Post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2661779)

This is not the first post so you may ignore it.

OMG (0)

mhandlon (464241) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661780)

"It's really destroyed a lot of marriages," said Tony, whose wife had an affair with her make-believe husband. He allowed her to return home for the sake of their three children. "I told her that if it happens again, I'm not going to take her back

OMFG... this is just too much.

n0t fr1st p0st (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2661783)

You heard me, bitches.

Maybe it's indirect. (4, Interesting)

MulluskO (305219) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661784)

Maybe it's not the games at all, but rather some substance or situation commonly encountered by gaming.

CRT radiation - maybe this is why nobody wants to play games on LCD screens.

Caffeine - Consumed in great quantities at LAN parties.

It's also possible that the chemicals in a brain without sleep could be addicting.

I'm sure Ive left something out (I've only listed three because I need to get back to Civ3) anyone else with some other thoughts?

Re:Maybe it's indirect. (1)

SurrealKnife (245528) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661889)

Caffeine is truly addictive, but gaming gets in the way of caffeine addiction! I mean, seriously - can you drink more while coding or while fragging?

Yes, your brain does get screwed up enough when you are lacking in sleep that you get high! Just try staying awake (deliberately) for 3-4 nights, while maintaining normal activity levels. Gets like a bad acid trip after a while! I suppose you could become addicted to it.

Personally, I'd add alcohol to the list - consumed in great quantites at my LAN parties, and very addictive. Oh, and cigarettes. Oh, and X. And various other substances. Or does everwhere other than britain stick to caffeine?!

The sure sign of additiction... (1)

AtariDatacenter (31657) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661786)

When you use that quake/doom interface to actual manage your production servers and to kill processes. That's when you know you've gone TOO FAR.

Yes (1)

Jucius Maximus (229128) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661788)

Gaming is a real addiction. About 3 years ago, I was seriously into the online game Utopia by Mehul Patel. It had (and probably still has) thousands of players in a medieval kingdom style combat/resource management/politics game.

That summer, I almost cancelled a week long vacation to Virginia Beach because I wanted to stay at home and play the game. And no, I didn't have a laptop to take along with me.

But in the end, someone in my family became very ill just before the trip and that shook me back to reality (and I did go to Va.B.)

Lawsuits (2)

hooded1 (89250) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661790)

Not that i would agree with doing thi, but I wonder if there have ever been any cases of suing a game company for creating an addicting game and ruining the gamer's life. I doubt that anyone could win such a case considering they can't even remotely try to pin 'violent tendencies' on 3D shooter manufacturers

A note on Gamers. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2661791)

Gamers often reek, sometimes on par with the stench of your average Anime fan. But one cannot ignore the fact that gamers feel that they exist as invincible entities such as "Quake 3 Guy" where they'll respawn after getting fragged. Dude! So, remember, you may just be stupid enough to think oncoming traffic is ice cream, and then you eat the ice cream, and get hit by traffic, if you're a big gamer.

Support the existance of The Ghost of Steve Jobs.

--The Clown Penis.

it's true (1)

kraada (300650) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661792)

I've been addicted. It wasn't to EQ, it was actually to a MUD, ages ago, called World's End. I used to spend 8-10 hours a day on the mud, even during school (higschool at the time).
I'm no longer addicted. Why? The IMP (DM) of the mud made my life hell for a while, and eventually the mud shut down. I went through withdrawal; it sucked. But I'm okay now.
What do I think we should do? I don't know. What helped me get through figuring out how to live IRL was my friends. We can't exactly keep giving people friends. However, if you know someone who is addicted, keep inviting them places. Make them get away from the computer. Don't let them talk about it.
I'm not anti-gaming. Gaming is good, in moderation. We need to be careful; in today's sensationalized world people have trouble stepping away from the bright lights and high action of games for real life. However, it's necessary if you want to be a functional part of society.
We'll never be able to solve this problem, but the good news is that you can kick the habit. I'm proof, it can be done.

growing popularity? (1)

kaisyain (15013) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661794)

Must have missed that study on the popularity of LAN parties....

Anyway, I'm relatively certain that some people simply have easily addictable personalities. If they don't get addicted to porn, their job, or casual sex, they'll find something else to fill the hole. Computer games have become part of our society. Years ago they weren't. Is there any surprise that some percentage of easily addictable people find their addiction in games rather than illicit drugs? If you live in a white bred suburban utopia and have beliefs again drug use that doesn't suddenly make your personality change such that you are no longer easily addicted. It just means you fall prey to gaming or movies or anime or books rather than cocaine or heroin or women.

addiction???? (0)

BSDGeek (528577) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661796)

addiction, what are you talking about? oh no!!! mising precious frag time, damn bots!

Gaming IS a real addiction (2)

WolfWithoutAClause (162946) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661797)

But the good thing about it is that it is self limiting- you play the game, you reach the top, or you get bored and you stop.

The bad thing about EQ is that it was deliberately engineered to play slowly- it can take person-months to get to the highest levels- most normal games are about a man-week (30+ hours). I found it boring; too slow to level and arbitrary, but I have a friend who was really into it.

I think he's kicked his habit more or less now; but many people have had the habit for a year or so. I doubt that the same MMRPG idea will work with these eversmack heads a second time around nearly so well.

Real drugs don't get people habituated in the same way- people end up using more and more of the drug- with games this isn't so possible, although people may play it very intensively for a while; but eventually it won't be enough and they get bored.

Games? (1)

imrdkl (302224) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661800)

I only leave /. to feed the baby.

Prost fist!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2661802)

Yaaay! i got frithy post! haha losers, haha

My guess is the release of.... (2)

pjdepasq (214609) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661805)

endorphuns (sp?). If you do it and you like it, your brain is likely releasing them. After that, you likely miss them and want more.

Re:My guess is the release of.... (2, Insightful)

Osty (16825) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661857)

You want a real endorphine (correct spelling) rush? Get off your computer/video game console and go out and do something. Ride a bike down a mountain. Take your car to the race track. Pierce your nipples. Have sex. The adrenaline and endorphine rush you get from those kinds of activities FAR outweighs anything you'll get from a video game, no matter how good that game is. I do agree that such a rush is addictive, however. Just not in the amounts you'd get from playing a game.

Easy problem to solve (-1)

Cheesy Fool (530943) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661806)

Just install Linux, no games to distract you then.

-1 flamebait or +2 funny ?

Nobody likes to be a loser. (1)

Dishwasha (125561) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661807)

Most people play games to win. In order to win you need to practice. In order to practice you need to quit your job and play full time.

Online gaming has been addictive for years (1)

jdaily (35368) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661809)

Been there, done that, lived out of a car because I was addicted to MUDs - 10 years ago.

Wrecked my education, but taught me how to program in C. Overall, I'd rather have learned in school and have gotten a degree back when I could attend school full-time.

the point (3, Insightful)

Bearpaw (13080) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661810)

I think the important point was in the last paragraph:

In the final analysis, almost anything can be called an addiction if it routinely interrupts life's basic components, including school, work and relationships, he said. The important thing is balance.

I doubt very much that gaming is physically addicting. But I don't doubt at all that -- for some people, in some contexts -- it can be psychologically addicting. That's not unique to gaming, of course, but it's certainly worth being aware of.

Addiction (1)

Jucius Maximus (229128) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661811)

Please note that right now I am slashdot-addicted. I have a digital design final exam in less than 2.5h and I am sitting here reading/posting on slashdot. Shame on me.

If it isn't gaming, it's another thing.

[Score:-1, Offtopic)

Re:Addiction (2)

Boone^ (151057) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661870)

I found myself doing stuff like this before big exams too, but in my case I think it was a chance to do something other than the *really*big* thing I had to do. I think it's just procrastination.

Hi my name is Greg, and i'm an addict... (5, Funny)

Rev.LoveJoy (136856) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661812)

It all started a few years ago when my girlfriend started collecting those beenie babies. She would pour over her computer screen for hours and hours surfing America's Garage Sale ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^ E-bay.

I didn't know what to do with all the time on my hands. So I picked up a copy of Diablo. I don't remember exactly when she left me, but I know I had at least 3 battle.net characters that could fucking own on hell level!

After I got bored with Diablo, I thought it was over, but things only got worse. My next girlfriend became an ICQ whore. Chatting with all types all over the world until god only knows how early in the morning. I found this great thing called EverQuest and I haven't really seen her, or my shoes, since.

The downhill slide having begun, I was hooked. My CS skills are feared far and wide at LAN parties and my tollerance is so high that I can stare at a CRT for hours without blinking. Even those old ones with the 72 mHz refresh rates.

These days, it's just get up, stumble to the fridge in the morning. The whole time I'm thinking about what the proper Civ3 build order is for a city on my cultural boundry. I lay awake at night thinking about optimal artillary placement in Empire Earth.

If only Betty Ford had a program that suited me ... with phat net access and flat screens.
-- RLJ

I am Lost (2, Funny)

TedCheshireAcad (311748) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661813)

This "Slashdot" is far from my native land. When I click, no rocket fires. When I push my arrow keys, I do not sidestep.

Longing to frag, I wait.

hurt so good (1)

dimitri_k (106607) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661817)

I don't play many games but once every year or two I'll play a strategy game that will keep me glued, bleary eyed, eating only junk food, drinking only soda, for a few days. And I'll emerge from my cave, delete the game, vow to never waste that much consecutive time again, and move on, thinking that I'm an adult now.

That is classic addict behavior, which is why it feels so good.

Online games (2)

entrox (266621) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661819)

I'd say online games are far more dangerous than singleplayer games. If you're playing Quake for instance, you first play for fun, but once you get 'hooked' and get to know more people, you're beginning competition. For some, being the best becomes everything - It's 16 hours a day training some moves or improving your aim in Quake/UT/CS, collecting items and gaining experience in EQ/Diablo 2 and so on.

Once you get admired by others, it's just a bigger incentive to train/collect more intensively to become even more popular. Even if you're not popular, trying to become it may develop into some kind of addiction.

I'd love to post (2, Redundant)

anacron (85469) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661821)

I'd love to offer up my opinion, but I'm too busy playing return to wolf. I plan on taking a break in 10 mins, but I want to get a quick game of tribes 2 in. Maybe sometime tonight after my clan's quake 3 match, although my friend just gave me a copy of Civ 3 and I really wanted to check it out.

Perhaps tomorrow I'll post after my 16-way Halo LAN. The folks that are coming over said they may want to play a little UT, so perhaps after that I'll offer up my opinion on how rediciulous gaming addiction is.

No "War Against Games" (1)

Halloween Jack (182035) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661822)

Lucky for us that the game software industry provides an important source of tax revenue for the gov't; otherwise, they'd create a Game Enforcement Administration and raid your next LAN party.

How retarded (1)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661825)

Anything is an addiction to people who aren't into it looking at other people who are. When I was young I spent lots of time plugging away at my computer (C64, Atari 800XL, etc.) and this was unhealthy and not right to anyone who wasn't into this themselves, but sitting in front of a TV for 5 hours every night was perfectly fine.

Personally I'm sick of people addicted to their SUVs and shopping malls, driving on highways and listening to "radio", reading their addictive newspapers and addictively rearing kids. Poor people need some guidance.

Of Course it's Addictive. (1)

Electric Angst (138229) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661828)

It's a diminishing-returns reward system. Just like gambling (which, coincidentally, takes the form of games). The very things that make games fun and "addictive" to average people make them truely addictive to certain types of people. Certainly not an addiction similar to cocain, where the very makeup of the brain itself is being changed, but a psychological addiction, which can be just as harrowing.

So, the question we should be asking ourselves isn't "Is it addictive?", but "How do we prevent people from becoming addicted?"

Sure you can (2, Insightful)

Gehenna_Gehenna (207096) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661830)

become...er.. addicted (for lack of a better term).

If your gaming causes you to ignore loved ones to the point whe it affects the relationship in a dangerous way, ....
causes a you to stop doing something that is required (IE go to work, pay bills... etc)....
or it becomes an excuse for not doing what you KNOW you should be doing (i.e. I should be studying for a exam... but I NEED to show off my l337 counter strike skillz..

Problem

Hey, all of us gamers (myself included) go off on a bender every now and then, but when gaming becomes your life rather than just a part of it.. then.. well

get a life.

half-life (1)

Unknown Poltroon (31628) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661831)

is the only thing that keeps me away from my beer.

mind altering minesweeper (1)

Sebastopol (189276) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661834)

minesweeper was directly responsible for .4 point drop in my overall GPA.

of course it isn't a chemical addiction like nicotine or heroin (maybe they will prove that it is some day) but anything that alters your state of mind could potentially become an addiction, like, just thinking about people who spent ungodly amounts of time on things in highschool:

* gearheads building their camaros and firebirds (i think it's hondas and accuras today)
* weightlifters and obsessive athletes
* musicians who play guitar all day and cut classes

no one ever called these 'addictions' did they?

the first and last groups were at least crafting something, the other group just wasted lots of cycles damaging themselves.

gamers seem to fall into the 'obsessive athlete' category. i can see why this would be a pointless waste of time. if they were actually writing code 5-10 hours a day for fun, then at least they'd be learning something applicable in life. advancing your character is just as useless as being able to bench press 5,000 pounds.

my $0.02

EverCrack (1)

Ashran (107876) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661835)

My Coworker and I were EverCrack addicts, we've been roughly 100 DAYS (time you're logged in counted up).
Well, I'm still clean now, but oh boy, the new Expansion is out and my Coworker might become an addict again!

Games can be very addicting, but so can be other things. You just need to be able to control yourself. Just relax, breath, and picture yourself as jobless-EverCrack addict attending to fan faires... hunting people in purple bunny outfits...
that helps !

/wave :)
(purely sarcastic and irconic ;)

Easy Solution (1)

EvilMagnus (32878) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661836)

Don't be anti-social alone. Game with your friends!

I don't know if it's an axiom yet or not, but I firmly believe that the couple who games together, stays together. The Wife and I regularly play MUSHes, MMORPGs and other games together.

I've just found that it is vitally important that you both have equally-powered computers. I could only live for so long with "But your machine is more powerful than mine!" before I caved in and upgraded my belov'd Box'O'Fun. :-)

drugs in highschool (1)

Maskirovka (255712) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661837)

I always wondered why they looked the other way in highschool when it came to students using tobacco, crack, pot, etc, but using school computers for games got an automatic suspension. At least the schools understand the dangers of gaming!

hi (1)

TheRain (67313) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661838)

by addiction we are talking about it causing problems. who cares if you like and want to do something a lot, as long as it doesn't cause problems. it does not cause me problems to play my favorite games now and then... or even to buy a game system with several games and play them with my friends. i can say that it is possible for it to be a problem for some though. but I think there are deeper problems behind that which cause these people to rely on games and personal entertainment so they don't have to deal with the conflicts of other people and daily life. THAT is a problem.... but I don't think the word addiction is suiting... I think antisocial behavior and fear of human interaction are the real culprits.

Professional Gamers (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2661839)

Professional Gamers deserve several fates.

1) Death by Bukake.
2)Death by Cramming a 14" dildo through their skull
3)Death by Being a Fat Fuck and having a heart attack
4)Death by having fenceposts crammed up rectum until death

Be creative, think up your own and post them!

Game addiction as a disorder (5, Insightful)

M_Talon (135587) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661840)

When I was in college, I "lost" several of my friends for a few weeks because they discovered a MUD (Multi User Dungeon for the uniformed). They spent every waking hour down in the computer labs, only coming up for food when the delivery boy came. They neglected class, sleep, and basic hygeine, all so they could power up these non-existant characters which they would eventually no longer use years down the road. It was a pretty pathetic scene, and a couple of them actually dropped out of school because of it.

There's a difference between playing a game all night once in a while and completely cutting off friends and family. In terms of mental disorders, it becomes a problem when you cause distress to yourself and those around you. I learned early on to walk away from the computer once in a while, and I completely avoid MUDs and MMORPGs because of their potential to addict. It's fun to escape once in a while, but when the escape becomes your life you need help.

there needs to be a dialog... (1)

jpellino (202698) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661842)

...about the difference between addiction and behavioral disorders.

cocaine is physically addictive. heroin. methadone. nicotine we think.

gaming is a learned behavior that needs to be managed thru behavior mod at best.

but addiction? highly doubtful.

or maybe endless gaming is the manifestation of OCD for the wired set ;-) sure is more fun than washing your hands seventeen times an hour. ( and no flames from OCDs - like ray romano says, nothing worse than complaints from compulsives - check the stove, write the letter, check the stove, write the letter.... )

perhaps better people than us have covered this (1)

Lepruhkawn (199083) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661843)

While a gaming addiction is another niche type of addiction, I would guess it is similar to other kinds of addiction especially net addiction. Of course, I suppose it depends upon if you are addicted to LAN parties or solo online or whatever.

As well as the Computer Addiction link mentioned in the article, check out netaddiction.com [netaddiction.com]
and Center for Addiction and Mental Health [camh.net] .

Perhaps enough suggestions to netaddiction.com will get them to post a Self-Test like they have for online traders [netaddiction.com] and online auctioners [netaddiction.com] .

Addiction. I am addicted. (1)

lordmage (124376) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661846)

I am addicted. Have been, and am currently on ZOLOFT because of this.

To read more of my Addiction, I almost lost my wife and job. www.themudjournal.com has my article (The Mage, or Winston) called "The Addiction" and it is about the most addicting game of all..

MUDS.

To become addicted

www.mageslair.net port 7060

Deeper-rooted problems (5, Insightful)

thesolo (131008) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661849)

From the article:
The "EQ Wids" commiserate over tales of woe (one husband insisted on playing the game in the delivery room while his wife gave birth) and offer each other encouragement and company.

In my honest opinion, if you can't stop playing a video game to assist/be with your wife during labor, then chances are you have several other problems that are much deeper-rooted than your addiction to video games!! ;)

Seriously though, as much as I love video games, they don't come before my family, friends, or my health. If you can't pull yourself away from a game for the things that really matter in life, then you do need to get help.

EverQuest Widows? (1)

MrEd (60684) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661851)

Sounds like a good place to pick up chicks...

Is an addiction bad ? (1)

Quazion (237706) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661854)

I am addicted to a couple of things and one of them is Games, although i am less addicted since i started using Unix only, but still freeciv [freeciv.org] and freechess [freechess.org] are a bit addictive...and the 4 years a kept playing the massive multiplayer games like Ultima Online [uo.com] and Planetarion [planetarion.com] before where pretty hefty addictive....
and there for it was my Atari-ST for which had about a 1000 floppy disks with games on it...and some other stuff ofcourse :)
But after all i learned how to use computers pretty well, i learned some programming and wrote a Arkanoid version once and now i have had some Sysadmin jobs and now i am Programmer or so they say, i still lack good hacking skillz...

Still i think my game addiction wasnt really bad for me, only it made me forget there was a real world out there although i dont really lack social skills, i have a handfull of friends and i go out to the pub since i was 14 and i still do now when i am 22...i have a girlfriend...so life seems pretty oke...still i live in a fantasy world, but i dont think thats cause of the games....

Now i am addicted to more things like IRC, Smoking and Sex...
I learned a lot of nice people tru IRC which are really very nice,
IRC also keeps me from doing my work at 100% cause i can use it at my work ;P
Smoking yes is a bad habbit i guess....and Sex well figure....

Overall aslong an addiction doesnt harm you in the real world around you and you can live a life you want to everything is great....

Quazion.

oh, right (1)

kettch (40676) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661856)

Just because i have a multiheaded computer, and am playing starcraft in one monitor, and reading slashdot on the other while listening to ripped music tracks from various games, doesn't mean that i'm addicted, i can quit any time i want. *hits F10* See? There, i stopped!

It seems to me that there was once an episode of seaQuest that involved a fusion reactor accident that sent them into a future in which there were only two people left on the planet because everyone was so addicted to video games that they never left there houses much less spend any time making new little people. They eventually had to crash the planetary computer so that there would be no more games, and the couple could get to no each other and rebuild the human race blah blah blah *hits F10* DIE ZERG SCUM!!!

Attn: Slashdot, Linux, M$, GNU Fags and RMS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2661858)

You suck! Lick my balls for a dollar, you cunts. Clearly, ball licking and prostitution are viable full time careers to have, then at night you can make your code contributuions for free! wheeee!

somewhat compulsive (1)

feed_me_cereal (452042) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661859)

I wouldn't go as far to say games == crack, but I would say that I suffer from a slight addiction. It actually works a lot like a drug. If I'm really stressed out, I can play unreal for a little while and feel a lot more relaxed. I "get my fix". I think that I then start to rely on games to make me feel at ease. I play games even when I'm not having fun or would/should do something else that I like. You could call it compulsive. It's not to hard to control, tho. Not like alcoholism or anything. But like most addictions, you have to realize you're addicted before you'll ever do anything about it.

Civilization Jonesing (4, Interesting)

StefanJ (88986) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661862)

Game addiction is real and sad. I knew more than a few folks who dropped out of school because of an obsession with olde fashionede Role Playing Games, and have seen good, creative people get sucked into MUDs and never do a damn thing in the real world again.

I've been pretty successful at keeping a Civilization-like-game addiction under control. When I fall off the wagon (Masters of Orion II, Civilization III) I spend a few weeks playing until 1:00 am and obsessing about the game during the day. Then I get embarassed and ashamed at the time I'm wasting on a persuit that leads nowhere. I'm a writer for cripes sake; I've been published in lots of places and I could produce and sell more if I put my mind to it. The time I spend in front of a computer gaming could be productive as well as enjoyable.

Stefan

gta3 (0, Troll)

vaxtor (520122) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661864)

Grand Theft Auto 3. Need I saw more.

Of course they're addicting...!!! (1)

Dutchmaan (442553) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661867)

It fullfills the basic need we all have for ***competition***... Which is also the reason most here read slashdot; not so much for the stories themselves, but the competition that results in the forums!

Address the issues (2, Interesting)

Ixohoxi (170656) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661868)

Of course, there is no problem with letting off steam, as long as nobody is getting hurt. But isn't that the hidden "catch" in most addictions? You aren't hurting anyone else... until the "problem" becomes a problem.

Someone who plays games here and there, to have fun, is not addicted. But someone who thinks all day about playing their favorite game when they get home from work, school, etc. and then spends the majority of their evening playing that game, has a problem.

If nothing else, they are locking themselves out of society, because they choose to stay alone or with a select group of people so often. People who have 16 hour gaming binges are not addicts, but when they have them every weekend, and have 8 hour binges throughout the week, those people are addicted to gaming.

Again, it isn't a big problem for those of us who are not addicted to gaming, but when the number of game-aholics starts increasing, the number of able-minded contributors to society decreases accordingly. Eventually, as with any "popular" addiction (nicotine, alcohol, gambling, sex) once the number of addicts reaches "critical mass" the society as a whole becomes affected.

Porn is a bigger problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2661872)

First it's one popup, then two, then 1000. What next. Someone's got to save the children. Vote JC Watts for Congress. Every republican needs a Uncle Tom to help them appeal to the blacks that they wanted to segregate in the 1950's.

Addiction is right! (4, Interesting)

FreakyGeeky (23009) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661877)

I've been running Counter-Strike servers for a couple years now. One thing I've always done is provide nightly player statistics for the previous 30 days. I've seen people hit over 14 solid days of gameplay in a given 30-day period!

Assuming that these people sleep every once in a while suggests that they're playing CS nearly every waking minute. Currently, the "worst" player on my biggest server has logged seven days in the last thirty.

One guy's longest single session was 9 hours! Wow.

Addictions are an escape mechanism (1)

Telastyn (206146) | more than 12 years ago | (#2661880)

games are an escape mechanism, do the math...

A confession (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2661886)

Re: Computer Game Addiction
From: Grezkull
Date: 5/4/2001

Comments
Hello, I to suffer from an addiction to computer games, namly EVERQUEST. To tell u the truth, i just deleted the game now(03/05/01 11:20 est). I feel this sence of empty ness, this feeling is just tearing me up inside and i know that it is my withdrawl pains.

But enough about me, about your son. Chances are, he too is suffering as i am when he finishes playing for the night. I believe that my addiction was caused by greed; the WANT for amazing Items and knowing that the only way to get them is to pour immence amounts of time into the game no matter what the cost is. My addiction has caused me my 2nd semester in Gr. 12. I have to go back to school next year to repeat the same 3 courses i botched up because of EQ and my addiction in genetal. I skpiied over 40 classes just to play games and i am now feeling the pain of my accadamic loss. Not even my parents know about it, so i know that they are going to totally lose it come report handouts( UGH! DAMN COMPUTER GAMES TO HELL!!).

*I have alot to say and i dont think i am making much sence, so bear with me and try to get the jist of what i am trying to say.*

Computer games are runing my life, and i relize this, but i just can't stop thinking about playing them. Even now i am guilty of thinking about playing Mechwarrior4 and Starcraft. Whenever i stop playing, that time is basically spent thinking about computer games and not my studying, therefore, i suffer. I take LONG *breaks* from my studies just to play computer games, so i suffer. I have spent the last 7 years of my life playing games and therefore, i havent developed into a socialy-interactive person, so i suffer. Because of computer games, i have like no REAL friends, I WILL NOT DENY THIS!, so i suffer. BEcause of compter games, my family life suffers because i force everyone off the computer so that i may play, now my entire family is apathetic towards me, so i suffer. I am currently facing suicide because of games.... so my family might suffer.

The playing of all games should be regulated at all times. If you give a playstation 2 and a favourate game to a child, that child will not stop playing until the playstation 2 is turned off(or the computer, N64, etc). If the use of video games remains un regulated, then the habbit of playing games for 8hours +/day will continue into adulthood, thus, ending thier chances at having a successful life, both financially and socially. They may say they are social, but talking to people over chat is not being social, its just typing suff into a computer and waiting for the reply then to react to the reply(rinse and repeat). They may say that they are too smart to need to study, chances are, that is not the case, wisdom and intelligence are 2 completely different traits. Intelligence allows the assimilation of data into the brain and easy manipulation of it, while wisdom allows the brain to use it in the right situations(Ie. Learning from ones mistakes, then using that knowledge in the future). (ugh, i know i am blabing on, but i am almost done).

ANGER ASSOCIATED WITH VIDEO GAMES

Starcraft, Warcraft, Age of Empires, Age of Kings, TA, Ect. If i lose a game in one of these games, i wil totally flipp out. I will cuss then shut off my computer. I believe that the true reason i do this is because i know that playing games for the last 7 years has basically handicapped me mentally and and given me a uperriority complex, but at the same time, understanding that i havem infact, below average human mental capabilities. Thus, losing would set me off because it would be like the person that defeated me was rubbing my face with it AND showing to me that i am INFACT inferrior. God, this must sound totally f***ed up, but its the truth.

Please watch your son closly. And if you really want to do him a favour, take the computer away, or delete his characters, delete the game, and take his EQ disc and break it. He WILL BE PISSED at you for liek a month, but eventually, he will become a *normal* person. Its harsh, its cruel, but i tell u what: when he looks back upon his life, he will thank you for doing so, as would i if my parents did this along time ago for me.

Now comes the hard phase of recovery. I have 4 months off to consider what to do with my life since this *current* semester of mine was completely destroyed by an INSANE use of video games. It shall be a long and hard road to recovery, but it must be done.

I hope this touched and helped everone who has read it, i know that it has made me reflect even further into my situation, even brought a few tears to my eye.

I urge all of you everquest players to consider this:

Why do we play EverQuest? Is it for the people that we play along side with? ->why not spend time with REAL friends in REAL life?

Is it for the items? -> Eq will constantly release new items, more and more and more. When will it end? Its all the same useless junk. like sure, Warrior epics are nice or rogue epics, but what after that? Endless hours of camping the planes with ur guilds? for more useless junk etc. Its an Insedious cycle that wil never stop.

To make Money on Ebay? DAmn, your INSANE!! it takes hours upon hours to get good sellable stuff. even then, the money made from a minimum wage job would make more and the process can be fun too.

FOr FUN??? Tell me, is camping a mob for 10 hours straight fun??????? wouldent you rather blow stuff up or somthing in a different game? if so, then mabye everquest is an addiction and not fun.. think about it: WHY do we play games? for fun right? so, if a game is not fun, then why should we play it?

So why not play everquest? think about it this way: If you could summon all thoes hours you have played on everquest so that they could be relived, what would you do? Get a girlfriend, make money, get laid, make friends, study, get laid, work out, play sports, did i mention get laid???

Geez people, get a clue here, GAMES IN GENERAL CAN BE FUN! but if useage is not limited, then they can be worse than the most potent narcotic.

JUST TAKE MY WORD FOR IT! MY LIFE IS RUINED, ITS NOW LIKE A FRIGGING NUCLEAR WASTE LAND WHICH I HAVE TO REBUILD TO ITS ORIGINAL GARDIN OF EDIN BEAUTY! THIS WILL TAKE A LONGGGGG TIME AND THE PROCESS WILL BE HELL ON EARTH!

-JEFFREY RUSSEL STARK

My email: kowonkrak@hotmail.com

Please email me, i will try to help you as much as i can, i have had like 7 years of hardcore gaming addictions. Btw i am only 17 years of age, however, my life is still ruined. Please dont ruin yours!
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