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A GEANT Leap Forward In Networking For Research

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the forget-the-plunger-build-new-pipes dept.

The Internet 275

An anonymous reader contributes: "A research backbone network interconnecting more than 30 countries, through which hundreds of universities can exchange traffic, with a backbone running at 10 Gbps, born on the 1st of December. Yes, it exists, and this research network is not even in the U.S.! GEANT is a european initiative which has just come online, so if you're a student in Europe, you may have noticed a significant change in your downloads speeds since last week. You can even check its weathermap! Well, obviously backbone links are still unused ... but that shouldn't last long, once people notice the sheer amount of bandwidth."

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275 comments

giants and such (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2682264)

a ginat step in FP skillz!..

Re:giants and such (1, Redundant)

Tebriel (192168) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682420)

No, it's a giant step in attempts to thwart slashdotting.

yep (-1, Offtopic)

WillyLane (260926) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682265)

First posted comment??!!

nope (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2682284)

try opera.. the FASTEST browser on earth... or use telnet port 80 if you wanna be fatse rthan Opera..

Then I just need a fiber to my home ... (0, Offtopic)

Hougaard (163563) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682266)

Dammn.. My ADSL is slow!

Re:Then I just need a fiber to my home ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2682559)

I couldn't agree more. [alexchiu.com]

Propz to all dead penis birds. (-1)

TrollMan 5000 (454685) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682267)

And hardworking, logged-in trolls everywhere!!

looks like us americans (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2682268)

Have no backbone =(

Re:looks like us americans (1)

gnarly (133072) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682479)

Yup, our University network is sure behind the curve compared to this GEANT thing. Another comparison: Costa Rica gave free internet access to all citizens. US, with 100 (?) times the per capita income, is "too poor" to afford this.

On the bright side, you can do whatever you want if your name is Bill Gates (of Borg). ++++++++++++++

That's GÉANT (-1, Flamebait)

smileyy (11535) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682273)

That's GÉANT, you my-native-alphabet-only-has-26-letters-and-i'm-sti ll-not-sure-how-to-use-all-of-those ninnies.

Re:That's GÉANT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2682452)

fuck you

Re:That's GÉANT (1)

Ed Avis (5917) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682489)

Are accents written on capital letters? I got the impression they usually weren't.

Re:That's GÉANT (1)

rm-r (115254) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682519)

This is a word, not an acronym- it's probably being spelled in caps for same reason Unix is UNIX (cos the guys in charge like the way it looks that way) I'm not sure if accents are used on caps, but the existence within the char set suggest they are to me

Re:That's GÉANT (1)

easter1916 (452058) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682554)

There was a recent (last decade or so) ruling on this by the official guardians of the French language (not sure which group). It is now optional, whereas prior to the ruling accents were required.

Re:That's GÉANT (2)

avdp (22065) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682555)

As a french-speaking Belgian, I can tell you that I was taught in school that you don't put accents on caps. Maybe it's not a hard rule and you can go either way. I do however remember playing with my dad's typewriter when I was a kid and there was no way to put an accent on a capital letter.

GEANT? (-1, Flamebait)

cyclist1200 (513080) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682280)

Silly Europeans, can't come up with a decent acronym.

Oh sure, someone will probably say it means something in another language...

Ugh, I'm tired.

Re:GEANT? (-1, Offtopic)

tomknight (190939) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682305)

Twat.

Tom.

Re:GEANT? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2682331)

Thin-skinned shit.

Re:GEANT? (-1, Offtopic)

rm-r (115254) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682348)

cowardly shit

Oh shit! (1)

cyclist1200 (513080) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682368)

What's up people? This was supposed to be a lighthearted joke. Now everyone's twatting and shitting all over the place!

I'll leave the mop and bucket right here.

Ugh, I'm tired.

Re:GEANT? (-1, Offtopic)

rm-r (115254) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682334)

Why do you bring up The War Against Terrorism? You're not the revenge troll are you?

Re:GEANT? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2682314)

stop wasting bandwidth, will you?

Re:GEANT? (1)

Kvasio (127200) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682371)

Silly puny American! That's not an acronim, thats a word meaning 'Giant' in french.


FYI: there are people in the world that think in different ways than you, and it does not mean that they are _worse_.

Re:GEANT? (1)

cyclist1200 (513080) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682386)

Dude - lighten up. It's a joke.

God forbid someone should make a joke about the French language.

I'm tired.

Re:GEANT? (1)

scorcherer (325559) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682384)

Oh sure, someone will probably say it means something in another language...

Oh yeah, something like 'giant' in French. But how would I know, we're all just ignorant /.ers and the world still revolves around America.

BEFORE YOU REPLY (1)

cyclist1200 (513080) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682397)

Think Joke.

Sorry, I guess the Funny Bone is turned off.

Or you can't figure jokes out without smileys.

Re:BEFORE YOU REPLY (1)

rm-r (115254) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682498)

Think Joke which is liable to offend any European who reads it. Would you make the same joke about a Woman/Black/Muslim/Gay? Hopefully you realise that this would be hugely offensive, this isn't really very different

Will all these end up getting joined one day? (1, Interesting)

wrinkledshirt (228541) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682281)

Sorry if this is a dumb question. I guess I was just wondering if it would ever turn out that all these networks would join up someday, or if we'll end up needing multiple computers to connect to all the different internets (should we want to), or if we'll have high-speed backbones connecting the backbones...

Sorry, I'm a programmer. I don't know any more network stuff than is necessary to download pr0n on my breaks.

Re:Will all these end up getting joined one day? (1)

ShaggusMacHaggis (178339) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682343)

ummmmmmmm......that's what the internet is..the internet is made up of many diffrent networks..and if you look at the weathermap for GEANT, you can see it has links to the US

Re:Will all these end up getting joined one day? (0, Redundant)

rm-r (115254) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682362)

Didn't you see the sign?

Please Do Not Feed The Trolls

Re:Will all these end up getting joined one day? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2682372)

Anyone know why the US1 and US2 head North West for Iceland and not for America?

Re:Will all these end up getting joined one day? (0, Redundant)

rm-r (115254) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682445)

Maybe they're pointing 'up' in a 2-d kind of way at satellites?

Yay! (1, Offtopic)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682283)

Now university students will be able to download porn and MP3s even faster!

That's cool and all, but the backbone's not the problem. The last mile's the problem.

Re:Yay! (3, Informative)

Psiren (6145) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682403)

Not for academic institutions. Before I left my previous job, I was connected to JANET, the Joint Academic Network. I could quite regularly download at over 1 megaBYTE/s from other universites. Granted many sites in the US were still slow, but my local Debian mirror was shit hot ;-)

Re:Yay! (1)

rm-r (115254) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682475)

Indeed, I work at a British university, and just graduated from another. The last mile problem doesn't exist for us (unless you count the mile across campus, but even then fast ethernet and decent switches solve that- maybe what we should be doing at home?) Janet has just been upgraded and this uni now has a 100Mbps link, of which about 5% is used. I guess this means the upgrade will last a fair bit (in internet time at leaset) and lets us play with the newest tech- which hopefully will do my skills and cv a favour ;-)

Not First Post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2682287)

This is not the first post so you may ignore it.

And as you can see, it's not using even... (1, Flamebait)

Ieshan (409693) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682293)

a single percent of it's total capacity right now.

What does that mean? It's not even using up, in almost all cases, any more than a 1Gbps line would be using. Take a look at all that blue on the map. It seems to signify that this was a waste of time and money.

Basically, I'm all for this great stuff, but until they find a use for it, it's just money wasted when it could be going to places and projects in technology that could actually benefit.

Re:And as you can see, it's not using even... (3, Informative)

gowen (141411) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682317)

What does that mean? It's not even using up, in almost all cases, any more than a 1Gbps line would be using. Take a look at all that blue on the map. It seems to signify that this was a waste of time and money.

Well the old European backbone was creaking slightly, so you can either upgrade incrementally to keep slightly ahead of demand, or oversupply now in the knowledge that in the next 5-10 years demand is going to keep going up and up.

Sounds like they made the right choice to me.

Re:And as you can see, it's not using even... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2682355)

Well the old European backbone was creaking slightly

Too bad the moral backbone of Europe snapped decades ago. Free sex, free booze and in some countries even free drugs... you do know that atheist, hedonistic societies like yours have never stood up with time. The Romans lost it, the Soviet Union collapsed and so on.

Re:And as you can see, it's not using even... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2682431)

you do know that atheist, hedonistic societies like yours have never stood up with time
Firstly, your country is 225 years old, a little young to be boasting about your longevity. Secondly: Yes all the atheistic hedonistic societies collapsed. As did the pious well-behaved ones. Shit happens, get a helmet.

Free sex, free booze and in some countries even free drugs
You say these things as if they're in some way bad.

Re:And as you can see, it's not using even... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2682470)

a little young to be boasting about your longevity

Oh yeah? And just how long did the Communist rule last in the Soviet Union? 40 years?

Shit happens, get a helmet.

I hope this wasn't one of the sick and perverted phrases used by the large homosexual crowd here. Don't bother telling me about your fecal masturbation fetishes.

Re:And as you can see, it's not using even... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2682531)

Oh yeah? And just how long did the Communist rule last in the Soviet Union? 40 years?
Knowledgeable little fuck aren't you. Russion Revolution - 1917: End of Soviet Union - mid 1990s, depending on how you want to define the exact moment... 75 to 80 years.

Of course, Japan has had the same imperial line since sometime in the fourth century, and the UK is uninvaded since 1066...

Re:And as you can see, it's not using even... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2682566)

75 to 80 years

Whatever, you pedantic little fuck.

The fact is that the Communist regime lasted only a fraction of the time we've been an independent country. In that time they managed to totally screw their own economy and drove the world to the brink of a nuclear annihilation. Great work.

Meanwhile the U.S.A. has become the only military superpower, an industrial powerhouse and moral beacon in the world. Why? "One Nation under God". That's why.

Re:And as you can see, it's not using even... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2682535)

Don't bother telling me about your fecal masturbation fetishes.

Maybe you're not interested, but I certainly am! Please post all your (fecal) masturbation fetishes as a reply to this post! Thanks.

Re:And as you can see, it's not using even... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2682473)

Free sex, free booze... and even free drugs... in the (former) Soviet Union? LOL
You're the living proof of what makes the US wooble and will ultimately lead to it's collapse.

Re:And as you can see, it's not using even... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2682344)

"What does that mean? It's not even using up, in almost all cases, any more than a 1Gbps line would be using. Take a look at all that blue on the map. It seems to signify that this was a waste of time and money"

No, what would be a waste of time and money would be if it was at 100% traffic - the whole point about building a network like this is that it will cope with researchers' increasing demands for bandwidth for years to come. Of course traffic's low to start with, because people have been living with much lower bandwidth for years and don't suddenly start sending loads more data the second a new backbone appears. The bandwidth will be used when it's required, not when it's available.

Re:And as you can see, it's not using even... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2682346)

just because it isnt 100% used does not mean its a waste of time and money. this is pretty important for the future, it means that europe will be ready and not have to upgrade all the damn time because they were ill prepared. good job!

Re:And as you can see, it's not using even... (3, Funny)

pibakic (525163) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682400)

Did you even read the story? Its been there for 10 days !

.. and you expect it to be at capacity already!

Pib.

Re:And as you can see, it's not using even... (3, Interesting)

Marcus Brody (320463) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682412)

Basically, I'm all for this great stuff, but until they find a use for it, it's just money wasted when it could be going to places and projects in technology that could actually benefit.

They most definately will find uses for it. I heard recently about the transfer of raw sequencing trace files (for the Human Genome Project) transfered from the UK-->USA. Turns out there wasnt enough bandwidth (these things are basically huge image files, and there are ALOT of them). Therefore they ship them over on DAT tapes.

Furthermore, I quite regurlarly download multi-gigabyte quantaties of data for academic research.

Re:And as you can see, it's not using even... (3, Funny)

onion2k (203094) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682459)

I quite regurlarly download multi-gigabyte quantaties of data for academic research

Recent into skin tone reproduction in MPEG video is it? Hehe..

Re:And as you can see, it's not using even... (2)

SpinyNorman (33776) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682426)

Yeah, 640KB is enough memory for anyone.

Re:And as you can see, it's not using even... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2682448)

Boy, are you ever a fucking moron. You would rather they installed 56 kB/s lines to guarantee a higher level of usage?

Fucking luddite. Please, find the nearest angry Afghan refugee and subject yourself to a healthy beating to within an inch of your life.

Re:And as you can see, it's not using even... (1)

attackiko (170417) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682458)

It is not the right time in Europe IMHO. People come on the internet in the evening. Let's wait a few hours and see. (It's 17:40 CET now). Watch the students grab their dialy dose of Divx movies a few hour later.

Ha! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2682306)

Try and slashdot that !

Can you imagine? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2682324)

Can you imagine how much spam I could send on that backbone!?

"Britney Spears on video giving her first blowjob !!!

Buffy The Vampire Slayer in gangbang action !!!

Shania Twain takes it up the ass !!!

Hundreds of your favorite celebs baring all in pics and vids !!!

More action than you can poke your dick at !!!"

Re:Can you imagine? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2682374)

"Britney Spears on video giving her first blowjob !!!"
Boring.

"Buffy The Vampire Slayer in gangbang action !!!"
Boring

"Shania Twain takes it up the ass !!!"
Might be interested.

"Hundreds of your favorite celebs baring all in pics and vids !!!"
Well - one of my favorite celebs is Sir Ian McKellen; not sure I'd want this option.

"More action than you can poke your dick at !!!"
Nope - don't want that either, have enough action right here at home.

Re:Can you imagine? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2682416)

Might be interested.

Great!

Post your e-mail address here and I'll send you more information straight away. You might also want to do that to keep up to date what's happening with my site. You might be missing a huge opportunity right now because you haven't signed up for my service!

I see the slashdot effect! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2682332)

Those itty bitty US1 and US2 links are warming up! Who says GEANT isn't needed ;-)

/.-ing GEANT (0, Redundant)

chongo (113839) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682351)

GEANT ... with a backbone running at 10 Gbps

But will it survive a /.? :-)

Weird (1)

attackiko (170417) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682356)

It connects 30 countries... and is not in the USA?

Pronunciation? (2, Interesting)

The Great Wakka (319389) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682358)

Gee-ahnt? Jeeant? How do you pronoune this silly, silly acronym?

Re:Pronunciation? (1)

Hittite Creosote (535397) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682393)

Try pronouncing it in French...

Re:Pronunciation? (1)

easter1916 (452058) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682437)

"Zhay-ant".

Re:Pronunciation? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2682565)

You know the french actor Gérard Depardieu?

Well, Géant is pronounced in a similar way than this guy's first name.
Identical sounds for the 'Gé' part and then the second syllabus sounds like the 'an' part of the british "can't"

As it obviously is a french word, there is no stress on any syllabus. It's all flat. Don't try to say [Gé'an] or [Gé-an']. Both are wrong. It is more like [Gé-an], French language oblige.

Cheers!

Artaxerxes

Not even in the US? (4, Troll)

Spamuel (246002) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682365)

"Yes, it exists, and this research network is not even in the U.S.!"

As if that's something hard to believe... considering the fast networks already developed and in development in Canada and Japan you'd think we could give other countries the credit they deserve. It's not like the US is the only country that knows how to string an Ethernet cable.

Re:Not even in the US? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2682455)

Besides the United States already has it's own high speed private research network anyways...

The Turd Report 12/10/2001 (-1)

The Turd Report (527733) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682380)

I had sushi from Yoko, in Herndon, last night. I had shrimp, crab, salmon, and tuna sushi. It was wonderful. I also had mizo soup and a container of saki. The Japaneese make good watches and cameras; their food makes good turds. My turd this morning was nice and soft. It came out like a dream. A slight push and out it came. The wipe was very clean. It had a consistant color: brown. It was about 15 inches long. There was a pungent odor that let you know it was a good turd. I give this turd an 8.

Re:The Turd Report 12/10/2001 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2682395)

It came out like a dream. A slight push and out it came.

I wonder if that's the reason japscat exists. Imagine. All that 15 inches of nice, soft brown feces sliding down your face down to your breasts where you can smear it all around your body...

Re:The Turd Report 12/10/2001 (-1)

The Turd Report (527733) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682540)

Well, I don't live in a country that lost in WW2, so I can't comment on scat based porn. I have a theory that only countries that lost in a World War have any nation wide intrest in scat. If I find some Italian Scat, my theory will be proven.

what happend to internet 2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2682385)

yeah what ever happened to internet2, will this end up the sameway :(

.nl Research (3, Offtopic)

dcocos (128532) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682390)

Great now all my downloads of adul^H^H^H^H research content from the Netherlands will get to me faster.

I hate e-commerce t-shirt [spankyourface.com]

Doesn't really sound like that much... (2, Insightful)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682405)

I'm not trying to be a poseur, but really it doesn't. Let me put it into perspective another way: Right now with my measly cable modem I can download from many sites at 2Mbps+ (I get a sustained 220KB/s from Microsoft). That means that a mere 77 of me can saturate a T3, and 5,000 of me can saturate a 10Gbps. Now everyone doesn't download at the same time, but when you're talking about Europe with 100s of millions of people... BTW: I realize that this is a research network not for public consumption, but my point is moreso that it's apparently such a big deal that these 10Gbps connections exist. This naturally makes me wonder what sort of backbones exist on the North America network, because I never have a problem downloading at 220KB/second, so I presume it must be pretty extraordinary.

Re:Doesn't really sound like that much... (4, Informative)

cnkeller (181482) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682542)

This naturally makes me wonder what sort of backbones exist on the North America network, because I never have a problem downloading at 220KB/second, so I presume it must be pretty extraordinary.

There is a program called pathchar [caida.org] which seems to do a pretty good job of characterizing pipe size. I've used this to monitor my DSL bandwidth; PacBell has a 45Mbit line heading out of it's DSLAM's (at least in my area). It was designed to be used with symmetric connections, my DSL line (1.5/128) reports like 330K, but otherwise it's a good start at measuring paths.

From my office to microsoft's ftp servers I was easily able to determine that the slowest link is our T1 bewteen the ISP's T3 and our 10Mbps interface on our external router.

Re:Doesn't really sound like that much... (1)

vandenberg5 (537861) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682568)

It really isn't that much. Last week I attended a seminar on 40Gbs network technology. It looks like the 40G networks will start becoming commonplace here in the next few years. The key is that there's not just one line of fiber laid across america (or the world). I'm not sure to as the bandwidth across America.

What? No Finland? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2682408)

Why? Why??

Re:What? No Finland? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2682434)

Sweden, Finland, Norway; they're all the same. Up there somewhere next to the Russia.

Doh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2682440)

Oh, it's there. But the topology map would have looked much hairier with all the nordic countries drawn there.

Hard work! (1)

aurorascope (466416) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682423)

Hmm, it'd be pretty hard to slashdot geant.

Speaking from a UK perspective, our academical network (JANET) has already rolled out something similar to this. OK, it's a fraction of 10gbps - at 622mbps. Obviously every university doesn't get that amount of bandwidth; it's usually around 155mbps going into each major city I think. However, I believe geant will pave the way for some serious warezing!

Re:Hard work! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2682538)

GÉANT is basically the pan-European version of JANET. It interconnects JANET (.uk) with HEANET (.ie) with BELNET (.be) and a load of other academic networks in the EU.

Also: the traffic over these links is the external IP traffic of universities. Therefore, as well as genome data and research papers, it will have DivX and pr0n...

Weathermap for Internet2/Abilene (4, Interesting)

tcyun (80828) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682432)

You can check out the Internet2/Abilene weathermap at the Abilene NOC [iu.edu] .

Plus, the Internet2 backbone is moving to OC192 in the near term. Saturate that...

btw, OC192 is (essentially) 10 Gbps (4, Informative)

tcyun (80828) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682506)

I prob should have mentioned that OC192 is essentially 10Gbps in my earlier post. This means that Internet2 will be equiv (in terms of backbone speed) to GEANT in the near term. (You can read the PR [internet2.edu] about the Internet2 upgrade if you are interested.

Living in Luxembourg... (1)

Dimwit (36756) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682438)

Well, I live in Luxembourg (Go Luxembourg! Woohoo!), and I seriously wonder to what they're running that line. Luxembourg (much to my chagrin) doesn't have an actual university. Makes me wonder. That, and the fact that that one line represents something like half the bandwidth running into the country...(actually, I think it's like a quarter. Either way, I'll never see any of it.:)

Re:Living in Luxembourg... (1)

4im (181450) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682547)

Restena is connected to Belgium and France with 155Mbit lines, as you can see in GEANT's poster (PDF file).

It's not like Restena has the only connections in Lux., there are some others that have more or less nice lines. Thinking of P&T, Cegecom, ... I guess for 400k inhabitants that's sufficient.

Oh yes, don't forget that they want to make the Cours Universitaire into a whole university, then there's at least 3 academic research centers, the schools (lycees) etc.

oh man (5, Funny)

Marcus Brody (320463) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682439)

You can just imagine it over at Dante right now:

"Wow, well done guys. Our new multi-gagabyte network is now fully operational"

"Cheers...."

"Uh... Boss, hold on...."

"What?"

"Someone just posted us to slashdot!"

*Poof* goes the bandwidth



Seriously though, if they get slashdotted their really isnt any hope for the rest of us.

Re:oh man (1)

tomknight (190939) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682454)

...multi-gagabyte...

What, like McDonalds, several retches per mouthful of food?

Tom.

Outside the US (5, Funny)

pubjames (468013) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682450)

Yes, it exists, and this research network is not even in the U.S!

Gosh! Outside the US! In Europe!

The Europeans really seem to be advancing don't they? A friend of mine visited Europe and told me that they've got TV, computers, mobile telephones, everything! How long before they catch up with the US?

However, they are still really lagging in cultural things. They don't have that many great places to hang out as in the US like Starbucks or MacDonalds (just little coffee shops and resturants which are all different!) and they don't have so many TV channels (and a lot of the ones they do have are in funny languages!). And they aren't as advanced politically as the US - they don't have the personal freedoms that we have, like the feedom to carry guns and, er, the other freedoms that we have.

(Yes, this is sarcasm).

Re:Outside the US (5, Funny)

onion2k (203094) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682517)

We have MacDonalds and Starbucks. But we also have enough taste not to frequent them.

Re:Outside the US (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2682528)

Apparently they've got as many humorless pedants as we do.

MacDonalds? (1)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682556)

Geesh, apparently someone needs to receive to be sent to re-education camp. [mcdonalds.com]

Yes, but unfortunately... (2, Insightful)

Evil Oli (516455) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682451)

the internet is still U.S.-centric. Perhaps what you yanks don't realise is is that most well developed countries actually have decent internal networks, but since the lion's share of Internet content is hosted in America, this is irrelevant, since it is the pipe to the U.S. that matters.

The diagram shows this - the two U.S. pipes are at around 30-50% utilisation (and are the smallest of the network), while the giant internal linkups are around 1-2%. What this says to me is that research typically doesn't use the bandwidth that they've provided for with this project. Consumer use of the internet will still get most content from America.

But I guess there is always merit in planning for the future, and we can always benefit from making the internet less 'any-one-particular-country'-centric (despite it's origins in ARPA etc).

link (4, Informative)

Marcus Brody (320463) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682483)

There was interesting article about this a few weeks ago in the gaurdian newspaper [guardian.co.uk] .

Although it's pretty thin on technical details, it does provide some insight into some of the questions people are posting, such as why they need all this bandwidth, why the US arent part of the project etc.

not all that much? (1, Redundant)

mr.ska (208224) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682486)

Maybe I don't know enough about backbone architecture, but isn't an OC3 typical backbone stuff, running at 155Mbps?

So what's so special about 10Mbps? Am I missing the point?

Re:not all that much? (2, Informative)

kawlyn (154590) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682510)

Dude that 10Gbps, the G meaning Giga.

Better? (-1)

CmderTaco (533794) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682488)

I'll bet that we cannot even cum close to slashdotting my favorite web site!!! [goatse.cx]

Is Taco drunk?? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2682513)

What the hell? Why is CmdrTaco trolling his own board?

GEANT network (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2682490)

Um hello Cmdr "Taco" can you tell me if the linus OS will run on the GEANT network too. Because Lixun is the OS that the internt runs on and I use it in my linus beowulf cluster already but I want to know about any compadiblty prblems I can have when I try to put Lxuni on my GEANT beowulf cluster of these.

doesn't exist (1)

trefoil (153310) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682518)

of course the majority of the network doesn't exist in the US.. since it's a european network.. it's like saying that China doesn't exist in the US.. it doesn't, except for the embassies and the spies..

but what were those two US connections I saw on the GEAN network (sorry I don't have that funny looking G on it.. I'm too lazy to hit my character map to copy and paste it) US1 and US2? looks like someone's leeching off of my adsl.. funny, there's a 10GB/s backbone growing out of my dsl connection!

In current replies... (3, Insightful)

jaavaaguru (261551) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682522)

I see people saying things like:
  • They're not even using 1% of capacity
  • They should invest more in the last mile
I think that their idea might be to restructure the backbone services so that they are able to handle the imminent speed and reliability increases in the last mile.

In future news we'll be seeing things like:
x Telecomms corporation runs fibre in the last mile giving millions of European households the faster internet access that was made possible with the introduction of Géant's new backbone network.

I may be wrong, but that's just my $0.02

Internet2 @ Texas A&M (1)

Milican (58140) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682552)

I remeber when I was at Texas A&M I could get really good ping times on servers at Harvard, University of Texas (gasp), and other schools on the I2 for playing quake. Its funny what a traceroute will turn up. Thank you Internet2 :)

JOhn

Packetloss! (0, Redundant)

zmooc (33175) | more than 12 years ago | (#2682567)

Look at the weathermap carefully and you will notice that some links change color halfway. The only explanation that I can come up with is packetloss:)
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