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Chrysler Announces Hydrogen Fuel Cell Van

michael posted more than 12 years ago | from the clean-as-a-whistle dept.

Technology 324

Juanfe writes: "Chrysler group announced a concept vehicle called the Natrium, powered by a sodium borohydride (NaBH4) engine developed by Millenium Cell. NaBH4 can be made from sodium borate -- basic borax, used in laundry detergent. MilleniumCell is a US Company that, not surprisingly, has made strategic agreements with major borax purveyors in the US (which just happens to be thought of as the largest borax reserve in the world). Could this be the start of the end of big oil and the start of the start of big Borax?" superflippy points out that Chrysler's press release is related to the Electric Vehicle Association of the Americas (EVAA) Electric Transportation Industry Conference 2001.

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Fuel Cells kick ass. (-1, Offtopic)

AbbaZabba (540689) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697169)

I can't wait until there's a Fuel Cell powered Segway. BTW, slashdot is run by cockslappy shitfuckers.

Re:Fuel Cells kick ass. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2697184)

I want a fuel-cell powered IT. And a fuel cell powered vibrator. And a fuel cell powered fuel cell charger. And a fuel cell powered sheep. And a fuel cell to power them all with.

Re:Fuel Cells kick ass. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2697198)

Why are you all calling it a scooter? I'd say that's a bit of an understatement.

I think all the people who are saying "electric scooter, big whoop. $3,000, yeah right" are slightly missing the point. Yeah, it's kind of wimpy for the price tag. Yeah, it's kind of expensive, and it's questionable who would want to use it.

But this is just the first model. It's more sort of a proof of concept--a demonstration that the scooter can work, and looks as neat as all get-out in motion. As time goes on, the performance will improve and the price will fall.

Look at the Palm (Pilot). The first model was, what, 128K? With no backlight, no infra-red, or anything? And how high was the price tag? And now the Visor Deluxe, which was at one time the wet dream of anybody who even looked at a Palm, is only $130 brand new.

Look at the DVD player. The original models were expensive enough, the first bunch of discs were glitchy enough, that a lot of people scoffed and made snide remarks. But the DVD went on to become the fastest-adopted new consumer technology ever.

So here we have a relatively slow, electric-powered self-stabilizing scooter, for $3,000. Are very many of us going to buy it? Do very many of us have the money to sink into that sort of gee-gaw? No and no. I know I'm not going to be spending three grand on something like that myself, either. Nor would I be likely to spend two grand, or even one grand for that matter.

Re:Fuel Cells kick ass. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2697252)

So, all products that have initial problems will eventually wildly succeed...

Re:Fuel Cells kick ass. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2697429)

All products with initial prices a little too expensive will lower their prices.

Re:Fuel Cells kick ass. (0, Offtopic)

catbutt (469582) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697331)

You barely mentioned the one thing that people here should be drooling over about the segway: artificial balance. That is an incredible accomplishment. And, being digital technology (mostly just software, with pretty standard hardware running it) it will only get cheaper and cheaper.

Re:Fuel Cells kick ass. (0, Flamebait)

KTecumseh (533217) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697227)

Why do they let people like you type such crap like that. Find somewhere else to vent your anger.

OT: Misc info about segway (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2697408)

Just in case people were confused: Segway isn't IT/Ginger... that's still coming.

1st? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2697171)

YES!

up your ass #16 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2697412)

When Sean Michaels used to shoot the Up Your Ass movies, the focus was on big black dicks fucking the hell out of little, (usually white) assholes. Now that Mike John has made the series his own, he's keep things pretty much the same. We still get a collection of (mostly) white girls lined up to take it between their tight cheeks from some of the biggest black dicks in the business. It takes a special girl to make it in this line. Not everyone who is young and fresh enough to star in an Up Your Ass movie is able to take a foot of hard cock in the pooper.

Nikita Denise starts out in a sexy little shorts outfit with her legs spread wide and her fingers already rubbing her overheated Euro-slit. To help cool those fires, they bring in Lexington Steele. Now that Nikita has something to suck on, she goes into overdrive, slurping and swallowing as much as she can. The blowjob footage is very well shot, right up in her face with plenty of eye contact as she orally worships his throbbing prick. It stays tight when he slides his cock up into her pussy. For a moment, he flips her feet back behind her head, but quickly lets her take a ride on his big cock. When it's time for the anal, her ass slides tightly down his long pole and Nikita wriggles her whole body to get the whole thing up her butt. He gets some serious hip action going, pumping in and out of that ass, making it grip visibly with each pump. After taking her good, hard ass pounding, our pretty Euro-slut happily holds her mouth open for an eruption of Lex's love juice. Someone extend this chick's Visa. Any girl who can suck and fuck like this should stay in the States.

Jade is a very pretty girl with a great set of tits and a tasty little pussy. Before the guys come in, she plays with her pussy, teasing us. Fear not, all that teasing comes to an end when she comes face to face with a great big cock. I don't know how brand new this girl is, but I can't remember seeing her before. She's really good looking and seems to really like working big dicks to full attention. After getting Lex, ready, she turns her attentions to Mr. Marcus. It's tough for her to suck with a big a big cock pounding away from behind, but Jade gives it all she's got. Flipping her over, we move in for a very tight shot of her very tight pussy stretching to take every inch Lex has to offer. As much as I like the way this girl looks, I like the way she fucks even better. If her pussy seemed snug, that asshole looks impossibly tight. It takes a few strokes, but Lex ends up hitting that ass hard and all Jade does is smile as she frigs her little pussy. After all that, they both fuck her, filling her little ass and pussy with black cock. She is rewarded for her hard work with two loads of cum that leave her pretty face covered in man sauce. Great fucking scene from a girl I want to see more of.

Amanda is a blonde who is already half mad with lust by the time we see her. British stud Omar has his fingers working hard on her pussy. He moves quickly to her ass, spreading those pale thighs wide to get a clear shot at her bum. We may be moving really fast, but that shaved pussy is some nice eye candy and her ass stretches nicely for his throbbing prick. She quite happily lowers her body down onto his dick, getting it deep into her backdoor before tasting it a bit. Amanda may not be as cute as Jade, but her white ass gets royally plowed by this well hung cocksman and her face gets more glaze on it than a dozen Krispy Kremes.

Fawna is one of the new girls I really enjoy watching on camera. There is just something about this busty girl with the big green eyes that turns my crank. As we start out, she's already on her back with Marcus and Lex each taking an end. Their dark skin makes a great contrast to her pale frame as they slam away on her prone bod. Fawna is a big girl and she can take big dicks, even when they fuck really, really hard. Great shot from behind as her ass gets penetrated and drilled deep. Even better shots come as she turns around to face the camera. Those tits were just made for some hot pearl necklace action. (I'm free any time Fawna.) The guys take turns wrecking the rectum, slapping that shitter and making those bit tits dance on her chest with every stroke. After repeated A2M, Fawna looks up in time to take one, then another shot on her face. With her eyes wide open and cum dripping from her chin, she cleans up Marcus, then takes a second Lex pop.

Claudia Adkins is a down and dirty Euro-slut with a cool haircut and a cock starved attitude. Like the others, she takes on a pair of big, stiff cocks. It's like someone turned a little key in Claudia's back and her head won't stop bobbing until they explode on her. Not wanting to wait too long, the guys bend her over on a chair to get some pussy and mouth action going. Using the chair, they let her do a little reverse cowgirl lap riding. Claudia can't seem to drop all the way down on Lex's rod. Marcus is big, but slightly shorter, so he can slam all the way to the balls into her hairless honeypot. They work her pussy over until she's breathless and can barely stand up. That doesn't stop the guys though, because they've still got some white Euro-ass to bust. When they shoot loads into her mouth, Claudia swallows every drop, proving that she's an up for anything, high energy sport fuck.

Justine Romee has been doing a lot of movies lately, but in this one her little ass is going to open up for two big black dicks. Now there's something you don't see every day. Well, you do if you're an editor for Anabolic. (Or a smut reviewer.) First, she has to do some overtime work on a big fat cock. When the first one is up, in comes dick number two and now Justine really has her work cut out for her. Both guys seem pretty pleased with the way her little mouth services their rods. Lex gets down and starts filling that pussy while Justine lets Omar fuck her face. She's actual fairly pint sized, so they can kind of toss her around for fun and games. Even if she's a petite little fuck bunny, her pussy is wet and deep enough to make every inch of dick vanish. With an ass like this, we could have used a few more of the low angle doggy shots but the ones we get are quite hot. Into the ass go the dicks and when they come out, Justine shoves them into her waiting mouth. In the end, she happily takes the loads on her face and in her mouth.

In the world of non-nonsense, wall to wall fuck flicks, no one comes close to Anabolic. Mike John's formula is simple, big hard, black dicks, shoved deep into tight, white buttholes. Throw in a great picture quality, well shot sex and some great looking women around those stuffed holes and you have a winning combination. Jade and Fawna are my two favorites in this movie, though all of the scenes are worth watching. There are some fine looking overseas babes who are welcomed to the States with a big stiffie up the backdoor. Welcome to America, now bend over. Perfectly shot by John, the sex in this volume is outstanding, the women are good looking and that's all we could want from a porn flick.

what i really want to know.... (1)

great om (18682) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697173)

is if it's possible to retrofit current automobiles with this kind of technology.

-

Re:what i really want to know.... (1)

NecroPuppy (222648) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697186)

If so, it would probably be more expensive than it's worth... I.e, buying a new car to take advantage of this would be cheaper...

Re:what i really want to know.... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2697360)

What I really want to know is how much of a flaming faggot you are.

Re:what i really want to know.... (2, Informative)

Rothfuss (47480) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697410)

No you cannot retrofit current automobiles.

Fuel cell vehicles do not use direct combustion engines so there is very little in common with a traditional vehicle. You would be much better off trying to upgrade from an electric car.

Rothfuss

FIRST POST (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2697174)

first post bitches what is up with the retarded wait 20 seconds before posting crap? it needs to be GONE!

Just Imagine... (-1)

beee (98582) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697183)

a beowulf cluster of these!

End of Big Oil? (5, Insightful)

Bonker (243350) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697185)

Hardly...

The U.S. auto industry and the U.S. oil industry are so tight that work has been slowed or delayed for decades on all-electric cars.

While this fuel-cell uses borax derivatives, I would be willing to bet money that any production fuel-cell based vehicles deployed in the U.S. use hydrocarbon-based cells. They're not going to let you just stop filling up every week, after all.

Re:End of Big Oil? (1)

emn-slashdot (322299) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697219)

True enough. Sadly.

Isn't that what independant companies are suppose to do? oh thats right.... They all got bought.

Pity, I really kinda liked this planet.

Re:End of Big Oil? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2697392)

Slashdot, the only place where "sad but true" is proof enough for any argument.

Re:End of Big Oil? (2)

jsse (254124) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697244)

The U.S. auto industry and the U.S. oil industry are so tight that work has been slowed or delayed for decades on all-electric cars.

Sad but very true.

It's crazy that US Government wholeheartedly back this unethical business strategy to ensure their continuous inflows of political money, while letting oil exporters in Middle East holding our balls by altering the price and supply.

Pathetic. *sigh*

Re:End of Big Oil? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2697338)

You might want to reconsider. Who's balls are really in a vice? [broody.org]

Re:End of Big Oil? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2697268)

If electric cars are feasible and better than gasoline powered cars why don't you stop whining and bring an electic car to market.

Pretty soon people will be posting irrational comments about how you keep rubber band powered cars off the market to protect your monopoly.

Re:End of Big Oil? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2697315)

This is an irrational comment. It takes millions of dollars to bring a car to market.

Re:End of Big Oil? (2, Informative)

homer_ca (144738) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697326)

Most likely any fuel cell will be hydrocarbon based either directly or indirectly. I am not a chemical engineer, but the most economical process for creating hydrogen is from natural gas. How else are you going to get hydrogen? Electrolysis? Any business would be better off just selling the electricity unless natural gas gets a LOT more expensive.
The hydrocarbon fuel cells use a reformer to crack gasoline into hydrogen and CO2. It's just moving the chemical plant into the car.

Re:End of Big Oil? (4, Insightful)

DerekLyons (302214) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697334)

The U.S. auto industry and the U.S. oil industry are so tight that work has been slowed or delayed for decades on all-electric cars.

Sadly, no. The EV and Fuel Cell folks have continuously shot *themselves* in the foot by insisting that the EV/FC will instantly replace existing automobiles rather than finding a niche and growing from there. Poor planning, poor marketing, it kills 'real world' companies as much as it does dot-bombs.

Re:End of Big Oil? (-1)

The WIPO Troll (267426) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697414)

Fuck you, you little whore.

Actually, Mr. Bonker, would you fuck me? I'm a flaming homosexual faggot, like I believe you to be, and would very much enjoy locking you in my basement, tying you to a chair, stripping you naked, and spooging my jizz-snot all over your smooth, child-like pudgy body. How loud do you scream when someone flogs you between your legs with a leather whip?

Do you have a foot-fetish? Would you like to suck on my toes? Can I whip your feet? How loud will you squeal then?

Do you enjoy little boys? I have quite a harem of little boys myself (I borrow them from Jon Katz) and if you enjoy it, you can use any of their smooth, hairless little bodies to your liking. The youngest quite enjoys "bukkake" sex if you know what that means.

Email me if you're interested. wipotroll@hotmail.com!

You guys totally missed the point (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2697189)

Why are you all calling it a scooter? I'd say that's a bit of an understatement.

I think all the people who are saying "electric scooter, big whoop. $3,000, yeah right" are slightly missing the point. Yeah, it's kind of wimpy for the price tag. Yeah, it's kind of expensive, and it's questionable who would want to use it.

But this is just the first model. It's more sort of a proof of concept--a demonstration that the scooter can work, and looks as neat as all get-out in motion. As time goes on, the performance will improve and the price will fall.

Look at the Palm (Pilot). The first model was, what, 128K? With no backlight, no infra-red, or anything? And how high was the price tag? And now the Visor Deluxe, which was at one time the wet dream of anybody who even looked at a Palm, is only $130 brand new.

Look at the DVD player. The original models were expensive enough, the first bunch of discs were glitchy enough, that a lot of people scoffed and made snide remarks. But the DVD went on to become the fastest-adopted new consumer technology ever.

So here we have a relatively slow, electric-powered self-stabilizing scooter, for $3,000. Are very many of us going to buy it? Do very many of us have the money to sink into that sort of gee-gaw? No and no. I know I'm not going to be spending three grand on something like that myself, either. Nor would I be likely to spend two grand, or even one grand for that matter.

Create-an-opoly (1)

vreeker (264162) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697190)

This seems to be a very well thought out monopoly already. *Note to US Government: Wait until the technology develops beyond your control and cause extereme loss or discomfort to consumers - then you can pounce on them and obtain "compensation".

Why make rules early?

Toques are for Canadians. Eh?

death valley soon to be the next middle east? (1)

b-side.org (533194) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697192)

So, are they gonna open back up all of those borax mines in death valley? Hmm.. I bet land out there is dirt cheap..

Oh.. dammit.. it's a _concept_ vehicle. Eenteresting, tho.. the borax is apparently recyclable.. And they've retrofitted a Ford Explorer with an FC engine.

Ah, well, wake me up when I can buy one. :P

Re:death valley soon to be the next middle east? (1)

homer_ca (144738) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697296)

Borax isn't the fuel. It's a binder for the hydrogen so you don't have to store it as a gas. The borohydride reacts with a catalyst to relase the hydrogen gas to power the fuel cell. Mercedes Benz did the same thing back in the 80s using metal hydrides to store hydrogen.

real sex magazine #11 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2697425)


The set up for this video isn't going to take long. The premise is simple, new girls, having sex with porn studs for the first time. Sure, we've seen it before, but hey, this one doesn't torture us by having the director ham it up for the camera. He stays behind the lens, capturing the newbies in all their erotic glory.

First up is a cocoa skinned Panamanian born, Caramel. She's twenty one and has an infectious smile that brightens things right up as she answers questions about her sexuality. She has only been with one white guy before her meeting with Tony Tedeschi, but as she shows off her thin, all natural body, it's clear he's in for a ride he won't soon forget. Tony goes down for a taste of her sweet slit and soon has Caramel tweaking her nipples and panting like mad. He must have done a good job because Caramel is way eager to get his prick in her mouth. Great close ups here as she uses her full, soft lips to make his cock throb. Before she can take him past the point of no return, Tony slides on a condom (See, WHEN I notice them, I will mention them.) and welcomes Caramel to the wonderful world of on camera fucking. Good close ups during the mish and even nicer full body shots while he fucks her from behind. This enthusiastic young woman has a nice body, a little thin to me, but wonderfully proportioned with a killer butt. I love the way she plays with her thick, dark nipples while riding Tony's cock, highly erotic. After giving her a good pounding, Tony pulls out, whips off his condom and drops a nice load right into her mouth. Caramel happily sucks every drop out and smiles a cum streaked grin.

Sexy Amy is a blonde from Brisbane Australia who is nineteen, with just a hint of an accent and again, a smile that will melt your heart. She says she has never masturbated and is willing to try that out just for us to watch. She seems a little unsure of herself at first, but soon, the little vibrator is humming away and Amy is clearly enamored. After getting herself off with the toy, Amy gets to meet Vince Vouyer who is more than happy to make her acquaintance. Amy's mouth gets to know Vince's dick in no time, as she takes him between her lovely lips. Watching her suck dick, it is clear the Australia's loss is our gain. (You know, there is a little bit of a young Kaitlyn Ashley in this woman, maybe that's why I'm so head over heels for her already. ) Lots of great eye contact during this wonderfully long blowjob. As a special treat, Vince gets to cum in her mouth with that pretty face staring up at him. She won't do a full fuck, but with a face like that, I'm hooked already.

Alana is cute girl fresh off a college campus and dying to give interracial sex on camera a try. Mr. Marcus is more than up for the task, happily providing a nearly hard cock for her mouth to work on. It won't go very far down her throat, but Alana does a lot with what she can work on, sucking and licking the head like it's a fat candy stick. She certainly doesn't look to big cocks, handling Marcus as if she sucks ten inch poles on a regular basis. The question is, can she take that big thing in her pussy. Well, Marcus gives her slit a good tongue bath, juicing it up a bit for his monster invader. Wisely, he lets Alana get on top, lowering herself onto his rod at her own pace. Of course, give her a few strokes, and watch the way she bounces up and down on that fat prick. She is clearly ready for him to bring it on from behind. For a newcomer, she sure knows hot to take a hard pounding. Mark this one down as a great find by Wild Bill, Alana certainly has the sex drive to make a big splash. If we could just her to do anal, she'd be there already, but then again, who can be expected to take a cock this big in their butt the first time out? She fucks like crazy and takes a load on her fact. If that's not enough for you, then it's your loss. (At least until her second video when she damn well better take it in the butt.)

Honey is an eighteen year old exotic dancer from Long Beach with a talent for doing the splits. (Got to love that.) Nick East comes in and looks happy as shit be busting her on screen cherry. He gives her shaved slit a little taste before putting her young mouth to the test. Honey has that closed mouth, tight fisted style so common among newbies, but still manages to give Nick a raging hard on that he just has to slip into that cute little hairless honeypot. It's a snug fit, but wet enough so that Nick can give her a really hard pounding from behind, making those lovely breasts shake about. They find a nice rhythm and even if Honey is not a gymnast in her fucking style, she has plenty of energy and looks great being plugged. Her initial porn performance ends when Honey strokes a sticky wad into her mouth. It's clear she isn't too thrilled by it, but I'd still say we will be seeing Honey again.

All right, a tape devoted to new girls that I can watch and not shake my head wondering who the fuck would want to watch. Will Bill knows what we want to see, cute, hot, new girls, fucking and sucking. No 'Night at the Improv' reject jokes, no directors masquerading as studs. (Come to think of it, the worst of that batch are masquerading as directors as well.) And get this, the camera work is actually praise worthy. I know, it's nearly unimaginable. I expect to see all four girls do more video work, with sexy Aussie Alana being the one I will be watching most closely for. Her solo and blowjob are worth the price of the tape. Honey needs to relax a bit more, but she is wonderful to look at and shows much promise. Caramel is already starlet ready and will go as far as her sexy ass will take her. And Amy? Let's see, her first on screen fuck is with Mr. Marcus and she takes everything he has with a huge grin, I'd say she's got mad game. Beyond my enthusiastic recommendation, I have to point out the fact that all four of these girls have great smiles, truly wonderful.

cost? (1)

dollargonzo (519030) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697193)

i wonder how much it will cost to run the thing?
just pour laundry detergent into the thing and it turns it into borax? sounds rather interesting;

it says that is not dangerous and nonflammable, etc. but hydrogen is one of the byproducts?? that sounds rather misleading.

QED

Re:cost? (3, Informative)

dhovis (303725) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697341)

it says that is not dangerous and nonflammable, etc. but hydrogen is one of the byproducts?? that sounds rather misleading.

One of the biggest problems for gaining acceptance of hydrogen as a fuel is containment of the hydrogen. Hydrogen gas will diffuse out of any container you put it in. So if you have a tank of hydrogen sitting around for a while (how long depends on the material), you will end up with an empty tank.

What makes this solution elegant is that they hydrogen is chemically locked up. As long as the NaBH4 is long lived, then you don't have to worry about it.

Also, the NaBH4 is only refined into hydrogen and borax when hydrogen is needed, so the amount of hydrogen around is relatively small at any given time.

Incidently, hydrogen is not that flamable. You need a proper combination of hydrogen, oxygen, and heat to set it burning and hydrogen dissipates very quickly. (And don't start talking about hydrogen bombs, you need a fission bomb just to ignite one of those and the hydrogen needs to be the heavier (and less common) isotopes anyway.

Re:cost? (2)

Dyolf Knip (165446) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697356)

it says that is not dangerous and nonflammable, etc. but hydrogen is one of the byproducts?? that sounds rather misleading

Pure oxygen and hydrogen are both materials you don't want to be around with an open flame, but saying that 'water isn't dangerous or flammable' is not by any stretch of the imagination misleading, despite its components.

This is really a very Good Thing. One of the biggest problems with H2 fuel cells is storing the H2. It's so pesky as a gas and impractical as a liquid. Storing it as part of another compound which can then be reused makes things a lot simpler. And it's not like Sodium borohydride is the new black gold; it's a charged battery for cars. You use it up, you get borax and take it back to the shop to be recharged with hydrogen. Very neat.

The difficulty now is how to 'charge' up the battery. Do the gas stations send all their spent borax (the customers sure aren't gonna keep it) back to the plant or would they keep facilities on site to generate H2 and run the borax -> sodium borohydride reaction? The former will increase shipping costs (though it's probably on par with getting the stuff from the Middle East), the latter more expensive to the gas stations and making it harder to switch to a different fuel should it become available.

Ha! I can see a future in which the auto industries don't settle on one type of fuel cell and gas stations are forced to carry a number of types of fuels as a result.

An article from 4 years ago (5, Informative)

Harumuka (219713) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697197)

There's an article [hfcletter.com] from '97 describing Chrystler's idea for the hydrogen cell fuel car. Interesting to compare their predictions and the result four years later. Quite thought-provoking.

Re:An article from 4 years ago (-1 Flame) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2697291)

Yes but don't elaborate on any of those thoughts. After all you would not want to spend time typeing some interesting ideas for others to read. If you did that you might miss your chance at posting early and getting a higher score.

Next Big Oil (1)

phobia (970) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697204)

I know you're all out there checking out Millennium Cell (MCEL), who's "Hydrogen on Demand" system stores Hydrogen as part of a benign solution with a high potential energy density.

However, the real monopoly-in-training here is Ballard Power (BLDP), who have most of the patents involved in converting that Hydrogen into electricity.

In other news... (2, Funny)

x136 (513282) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697206)

...Borax has gone up to $1.75 per gallon, and older folks are telling stories about how they could get a gallon of Borax for a nickel when they were kids.

A nickel!

Re:In other news... (3, Funny)

Quizme2000 (323961) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697270)

Yes Clean energy, really really clean energy. How clean you say? Its so clean you can used the old batteries to wash your soccer uniforms!

Yes I know, its not very punny.

The Name (1, Offtopic)

Jucius Maximus (229128) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697207)

If anyone's wondering, 'Natrium' is the latin word for sodium. That's what sodium is 'Na' on the periodic table.

Re:The Name (1)

metachimp (456723) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697234)

There's a cool story about that written by Stanislaw Lem, but I forget the name of it.

Anyone? Anyone?

Re:The Name (2, Informative)

Harumuka (219713) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697241)

Consequently, Natrium is also the technical name for Sodium. Yet there are several [google.com] foreign language names.

Latin, German, Norwegian, Swedish: Natrium

Czech: Sodík

Croatian: Natrij

Italian, Portuguese, Spanish: Sodio

Does this mean the Croatian trade name of Chyrsler's vehicle will be Natrij?

More on Millennium Cell (5, Interesting)

nyquist_theorem (262542) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697208)

Not that I expect them to take on the Dubya's oil folks, but Yahoo's Market Guide [yahoo.com] has some interesting background on the company, Millennium Cell. [millenniumcell.com]

The article states that the process of charging up the borax produces pollution, though so does this not (for now) just represent the "make the pollution elsewhere" paradox of electric cars, whereby one uses coal-generated electricity to drive around instead of gasoline, substituting one fossil fuel's energy for another?

Get over 'Dubya's Oil folks' stuff (0)

SONET (20808) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697235)

Have you seen the gas prices lately? They're cheaper than they were during the Clinton administration.

93 cents a gallon for the cheap stuff right on the corner across the street from my business. And a substantial part of that is taxes imposed by the EPA (especially here in California).

Of course this will be modded down because FACTS don't get points here.

--SONET

Re:Get over 'Dubya's Oil folks' stuff (2, Troll)

NoData (9132) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697271)

Have you seen the gas prices lately? They're cheaper than they were during the Clinton administration.

This has absolutely zero to do with who is or was president. If you don't think our fearless leaders are in bed with big oil then you are the one who is blind to "FACTS".

Re:Get over 'Dubya's Oil folks' stuff (2, Insightful)

homer_ca (144738) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697355)

If our fearless leaders in bed with big oil actually wanted to help big oil, they'd be propping up prices to stop them from falling so low.
This is all about supply and demand. The summer road trip season is over. The economic downturn since 9/11 really cut into people's travel plans. Sucks to be you if you built a new refinery during the $2/gal gas days and it's just coming online now.

Re:Get over 'Dubya's Oil folks' stuff (5, Insightful)

nyquist_theorem (262542) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697295)

Have I seen gas prices in the United States lately? Hell no. I'm nowhere near your country, nor am I a citizen of it. I am, however, aware enough of international politics (and your domestic politics) to understand just how connected your President is to the oil industry both domestically and internationally.

Are you trying to suggest that the present depression in US gas pricing provides any evidence for or against the suggestion that US President Bush is involved in the oil business?

To attempt to drag this stuff back on topic and away from Republican American ethnocentrism, let me try this:

I would humbly suggest that this venture will face significant opposition from the traditional energy (nee oil) companies.

You're right tho, facts don't get points unless they're relevant or related to the discussion. Otherwise we could all get our 50 karma by posting mathematics formulae, now couldn't we?

Re:Get over 'Dubya's Oil folks' stuff (2)

Dyolf Knip (165446) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697403)

Otherwise we could all get our 50 karma by posting mathematics formulae, now couldn't we?


E = MC^2 !
0 = ax^2 + bx + c !
s = s0 + vt + .5at^2 !


Oh, wait, I've already got 50 karma.


Anyway, oil companies wouldn't have much to worry about. Well, they would, but it's not like the only thing we use oil for is to power our cars. There's plastics, there's airplanes until they switch over to something a little less nasty, fertilizers, all the common byproducts of oil refining.

Re:More on Millennium Cell (2)

DerekLyons (302214) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697352)

The article states that the process of charging up the borax produces pollution, though so does this not (for now) just represent the "make the pollution elsewhere" paradox of electric cars, whereby one uses coal-generated electricity to drive around instead of gasoline, substituting one fossil fuel's energy for another?

So where does the energy come from to run the plant that refines / recyles the fuel? There's no real way to break the cycle that I can see.

Re:More on Millennium Cell (4, Insightful)

Dyolf Knip (165446) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697391)

The article states that the process of charging up the borax produces pollution, though so does this not just represent the "make the pollution elsewhere" paradox of electric cars, whereby one uses coal-generated electricity to drive around instead of gasoline, substituting one fossil fuel's energy for another?

I'm assuming that you are only referring to pollution from generating power to generate hydrogen to run the reaction, not the reaction itself.

In which case, I will point out the huge differences between the little generator in your car and the big generator downtown. The little one must be lightwieght and portable. It has to have a power-to-weight ratio sufficient to cruise itself around town. I don't know about you but I have yet to see a 200MW power station tooling around on the interstate!

Furthermore, not every country thinks fossil fuels are wonderful like the US. France, for all their other shortcomings, generates most of their power with nuclear fuels. Much cleaner than coal. Furthermore, You can use things like that nifty solar chimney going up down under. True solar powered cars are a joke, but if the car charges off the grid and the grid were powered by solar (or hydro, or wind, or tides, or...) then wouldn't that be a very clean car indeed?

Re:More on Millennium Cell (-1)

The WIPO Troll (267426) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697426)

Fuck you, you little whore.

Actually, Mr. Nyquist Theorem, would you fuck me? I'm a flaming homosexual faggot, like I believe you to be, and would very much enjoy locking you in my basement, tying you to a chair, stripping you naked, and spooging my jizz-snot all over your smooth, child-like pudgy body. How loud do you scream when someone flogs you between your legs with a leather whip?

Do you have a foot-fetish? Would you like to suck on my toes? Can I whip your feet? How loud will you squeal then?

Do you enjoy little boys? I have quite a harem of little boys myself (I borrow them from Jon Katz) and if you enjoy it, you can use any of their smooth, hairless little bodies to your liking. The youngest quite enjoys "bukkake" sex if you know what that means.

Email me if you're interested. wipotroll@hotmail.com!

There is no such thing as an 'oil company' (5, Insightful)

rebelcool (247749) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697209)

At least, not anymore.

Being the clever industry they are, the oil companies LONG ago realized they were dependent on a limited resource. Indeed, the reserves wouldnt make it out of the 21st century.

Hence they all now refer to themselves as 'energy companies', and work with all sorts of things, not just oil.

Its in their best interests that things start moving off fossil fuels, given their limited supply, and people move onto things like hydrogen, which is pretty damn common. And they know this.

You'll still be getting your fuel from them in 20 years...it just might not be gasoline anymore.

Re:There is no such thing as an 'oil company' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2697386)

Twenty years my ass [broody.org] . You must be listening to too much Lester Browne.

Re:There is no such thing as an 'oil company' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2697387)

You'll still be getting your fuel from them in 20 years...it just might not be gasoline anymore.


To tell the truth, I wouldn't care if it's the same companies getting (more) rich, if the "fuel" they're selling is environmentally clean.

Re:There is no such thing as an 'oil company' (-1)

The WIPO Troll (267426) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697407)

Fuck you, you little whore.

Actually, Mr. Rebel Cool, would you fuck me? I'm a flaming homosexual faggot, like I believe you to be, and would very much enjoy locking you in my basement, tying you to a chair, stripping you naked, and spooging my jizz-snot all over your smooth, child-like pudgy body. How loud do you scream when someone flogs you between your legs with a leather whip?

Do you have a foot-fetish? Would you like to suck on my toes? Can I whip your feet? How loud will you squeal then?

Do you enjoy little boys? I have quite a harem of little boys myself (I borrow them from Jon Katz) and if you enjoy it, you can use any of their smooth, hairless little bodies to your liking. The youngest quite enjoys "bukkake" sex if you know what that means.

Email me if you're interested. wipotroll@hotmail.com!

yes but will it take off? (1)

Sk3lt (464645) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697210)

Everyone knows the only people who bought electric powered cars were those who were rich and environment-savvy peeps.

At least with those cars they were helping the ozone layer and fuel cells don't really change anything.

I say they should go back to the drawing boards but its a neat idea anyway.

Re:yes but will it take off? (1)

scorcherer (325559) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697266)

Well, it probably won't take off until you add some wings, rocket engines (hydrogen powered, of course) and a flux capacitor.

well, (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2697213)

About fucking TIME!!!

soon the day will come..... (1)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697215)

when people will stop complaining about the noise from a car enguine and soon work will begin on silent tires

Borax petrol (1)

Boiling_point_ (443831) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697218)

Someone took that "clean fuel" thing literally after all. Good to see.
There are several problems Chrysler hasn't solved yet, the major one being how to deliver the chemicals and recycle borax once it's used.
Are roads going to start looking their whitest after a big rainstorm, or what?

WOO HOO!!! (1)

beefstu01 (520880) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697223)

I'm happy to see advancements in stuff like this, because we can start stimulating our own economy! One thing that I'd like to know is what kinda fuel economy this thing has, and how much power the darned thing can kick out. If the preceeding two things are large, then gasoline will be kicked out of the market . I wonder, though, will these engines be as fun to work on as normal gas ones? I have one helluva time working on my '75 Benz.

Chrysler a haven for terrorists? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2697225)

Borax sounds suspiciously like Anthrax!!! Is the new Chrysler minivan a new tool for terrorists? My *god* people, GET SOME PRIORITIES!

Ballard Power Systems (4, Informative)

slave2technology (112603) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697231)

It looks like the actual fuel cell used is made by Ballard Power Systems [ballard.com] . From Millenium's home page: "We have a joint development agreement with Ballard Power Systems, initiated in October 2000, to further develop our hydrogen generation system for use with Ballard's portable power fuel cell products."

Millenium makes the system that turns the sodium borohydride into hydrogen, then Ballard's fuel cell turns the hydrogen into electricity.

I want one.

Come slashdotters, so your true colours! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2697232)

Join me in my quest to build my own electric car [radix.net] . I have been inspired by a television show [discovery.com] to throw some motors and some batteries into an old car and race around in it for as long as possible before it self-destructs.

Why fuel cells? (2, Interesting)

Rolo Tomasi (538414) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697249)

I mean it's nice, but much too complicated and expensive. Why not use cheap, existing technology, i.e. combustion motors? They can be fueled by alcohol, methane and even hydrogen (BWM is already series-producing a hydrogen-fueled 750 [spiegel.de] ). We could have been driving on methane for decades, but the fact is, the oil companies have a lot to say in most governments, and without fuel, even the most high-tech car is useless.

Fuel cells are great, but wait.... (1)

KTecumseh (533217) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697253)

The idea of making cars with fuel cells has been around since most of us were little kiddies barely able to walk, and has anybody stopped to think why we have yet to see any great advances in the technology, like actually seeing them in a buyers market. Maybe the reason is, along with others, is that the money lost on oil would ruin current economies in many locations. Oil companies are large, rich, and often hurdle those standards that would make them monopolies, so rich in fact they might even be able to push some weight away from the idea of fuel cells. Just a thought but it makes sence and we have all seen instances where rich companies throw their weight around, can we say tobacoo products.

Will it do laundry too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2697256)

What I want to do is will it do my laundry as well.

Re:Will it do laundry too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2697313)

Probably No, but maybe it'll do bubbles maybe.

I must poast this or Taco will shoot me! (-1)

The WIPO Troll (267426) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697259)

By The WIPO Troll [slashdot.org] , $Revision: 1.12 $

Why have I been receiving emails from CmdrTaco, in which he seems to be speaking in some kind of code language?

Whenever
Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda [cmdrtaco.net] gets bored (and who wouldn't, running a site like Slashdot all day), he roams through the Slashdot database, penis in hand, looking for people who might enjoy engaging in homosexual orgies with him. How he determines this is anyone's guess; but if you have a homosexual-sounding nickname, or a nick with the letter P in it, you're in trouble.
So this time, he found you. Lucky you.
CmdrTaco's code language is relatively easy to decipher. He prefers to speak in thinly-veiled sexual innuendo to evade the watchful (but relatively stupid) eye of Slashdot's parent corporation,
VA Software [yahoo.com] . CmdrTaco's "Commander" is, of course, his penis -- a small, withered little thing that lives in his pants that only comes out in the presence of other men or at the beck and call of CmdrTaco's own right hand. His "Taco bells" are the shriveled testes that droop beneath his Commander, and his "Taco sauce" is his, well, jizz. It should be more than obvious to you now what he means when he asks you to "ring his Taco bells" or "taste his gourmet Taco sauce."
Lastly, there is a practice he refers to as "Taco-snotting" and the more shocking "circle-snot."

Good Lord. What is "Taco-snotting?"

"Taco-snotting" is the term used by CmdrTaco to refer to the practice of sucking the penis of a homosexual man (or unwilling heterosexual; CmdrTaco is rumored to prefer rape), then blowing the semen out his nose onto his partner's (victim's) face and body. A long, bubbly stream of milky-white semen is
left on CmdrTaco's face [yahoo.com] , dribbling out of his nose and down his cheek: hence the term, "Taco-snotting."
A "circle-snot" is a Taco-snotting
circle-jerk, another practice common among the Slashdot crew. CmdrTaco, CowboiKneel [yahoo.com] , and Homos get together and Taco-snot each other with their gooey, sticky cum -- spooging their jizz-snot all over each other's faces and pasty, white bodies, until they're covered head to toe with each other's man juice. This can go on for hours. For the homosexual penetration that follows this lengthy foreplay, Roblowme is usually there to provide plenty of anal lubricant; he owns a limo service and has ample supplies of motor oil and axle grease ready to go.
To complete this perverted orgy, fellow geeks Michael, Timothy, and Jamie will usually join in, dressed in tight leather mock-S.S. uniforms, jack boots, and leather gloves. The whole group then proceeds to snot each other's spunk and whip each other's pudgy asses with riding crops and chains until their pale, white geek bodies are exhausted and soaked in stinking sweat from the hours of passionate, homosexual revelry.

Ewwwwww. So, can I stop receiving these emails?

Hopefully.
You most likely forgot to uncheck the "Willing to Taco-snot" checkbox in your account preferences. CmdrTaco has probably already got the hots for your wad, and he's probably already been lurking outside your bathroom window for weeks with a camera, some tissues and lube. There's no escaping a geek in heat, so it's probably too late for you, but you can possibly rectify this situation. To remove yourself from CmdrTaco's sights, log into your Slashdot account, go to your user page, click on
Messages, and uncheck the box next to "Willing to Taco-snot." Maybe he'll ignore you. Probably not.

I can't stop receiving these emails from CmdrTaco!?

If you indulge him in a Taco-snot or two, he
might leave you alone. You might also want to look into mail filtering, restraining orders, or purchasing a heavy, blunt object capable of warding off rampaging homosexual geeks in heat. Trust me, when they charge... oh, the humanity. If he gets you, and you let him Taco-snot you, you will most likely end up tied up in his basement to be used as his sex slave for the rest of your life (or until he accidentally drowns you in spunk in a circle-snot).

Have you ever been Taco-Snotted?

Unfortunately, yes. I first met CmdrTaco at an
Open Source Convention [yahoo.com] . He invited me back to his room for a game of Quake and some "gourmet Tacos," but when I got there, he jumped me and tied me to his bed, stripping me. After taking his "Commander" out of his pants, Mr. Taco made me suck the withered thing six times. He then performed his vile Taco-snotting ritual on me three times over the next two hours, bringing me to orgasm after sweaty, mind-numbing orgasm... then he snotted my own milky-white jizz back onto my face, into my mouth, then again on my exposed belly.
CmdrTaco invited several of his Open Source (or rather, "Open Sauce" -- man sauce) buddies over to continue the twisted snotfest. Linux Torvalds
raped my ass [yahoo.com] with his "monolithic kernel [yahoo.com] ," and Anal Cox used his "network stack" in a multitude of unspeakable ways on and in every orifice in my defenseless body. Michael was there in his leather Nazi uniform, caning my ass with a bamboo pole and ranting about "all those Censorware freaks out to get him."
How did you finally escape, you ask? After about 16 hours of countless homosexual atrocities perpetrated against my restrained body, they all finally went to sleep on top of me, sweat-soaked and exhausted. I was left there, covered in bubbly, translucent jizz-snot, chained to the bed, with half a dozen fat, pasty-white fags lying around and on top of me. Fortunately the spooge coating my flesh worked wonderfully as a lubricant; I was able to squirm my way out of the handcuffs and slip out the back door. I'm just glad I survived the ordeal. These geeks had a lot of built-up spunk in their wads -- I could've easily been drowned!

That's horrible. Does "Taco-snotting" have anything to do with CmdrTaco's "special taco"?

No, that's a different disgusting perversion CmdrTaco indulges himself in. CmdrTaco is usually not satisfied with merely snotting your own jizz back onto your face, he most often enjoys involving his own bodily fluids in his twisted games.
WeatherTroll [slashdot.org] has spent some time trying to educate the Slashdot readership about this vile practice (emphasis added):
You may be wondering what CmdrTaco's "special taco" is. You will be wishing that you hadn't been wondering after you finish reading this post. To make his "special taco", CmdrTaco takes a taco shell and
shits on it. He then adds lettuce, jacks off on the taco, and adds a compound to make the person who eats the taco unconscious. Of course, the compound does not make the person unconscious until the taco is fully eaten. Thus CmdrTaco force-feeds the taco to the unsuspecting victim.
After the victim is unconscious, he is held against his will and used for CmdrTaco's nefarious sexual purposes. This includes shoving taco shells up the victim's ass, Taco-snotting, and getting Jon Katz involved.
Completely different, yet no less revolting. It should be clear to you now that CmdrTaco is a very, very sick individual, as are most of the Slashdot editors.

Does Jon Katz get involved in any of this? I thought he was a paedophile, not a homosexual.

Actually, Jon Katz is a homosexual paedophile. He's also a coprophiliac, and, many suspect, a zoophile. Jon Katz is somewhat of a loner and doesn't involve himself in circle-snots. Mr. Katz usually engages in a game called "
Katz juicy-douching [yahoo.com] " with his harem of little-boy slaves: a vile practice which involves administering an enema to himself of the little boy's urine (forced out of them with a pair of pliers), spooging the vile muck from his ass back into the enema bag, then squirting and slathering the goo all over himself, and the little boy's chained-up and naked bodies. If he's in the mood, he will sometimes skip refilling the enema bag and just squirt it from his ass [yahoo.com] onto his boys. Unwilling boys are further tortured with the pliers until they comply and allow Mr. Katz to juicy-douche them for the rest of their lives.
As I already said, Mr. Katz is
also a zoophile. As if the sexual escapades with the helpless little boys aren't enough, Jon usually enjoys his juicy-douches best when his penis is firmly planted in a female goat's anus [yahoo.com] . He is also rumoured to get off on watching his little boys eat the goat's small, bean-like turds.

...Are you getting hard writing this?

Why, yes. :) Join me in a WIPO-snot?

No, thanks. I'm already CmdrTaco's boi toi.

________________________________________
READER COMMENTS

  1. Fucking hilarious too bad it didnt get a 5:Funny (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.02 19:01 (#2644105 [slashdot.org] )

    this is good shit man

  2. Re:Taco-snotting@Home! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Dark_Cobra87 [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.01 23:03 (#2642180 [slashdot.org] )

    Oops, forgot to check that Taco-snot option...

  3. Re:Fuck Linux! Fuck him hard! (Score:-1)
    by Fecal Troll Matter [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.01 20:55 (#2641791 [slashdot.org] )

    Mmmmmmm, Taco Sauce... [galeon.com]

    Sig (appended to the end of comments you post, 120 chars)

  4. Look (Score:-1)
    by ArchieBunker [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.01 20:19 (#2641679 [slashdot.org] )

    I love trolling but this shit is getting old, fast. At least start mixing them up a little bit. How about the 'How OSM was Freed' series?
    http://www.naawp.org/

  5. Re:Congratulations! You have been WIPO'd!! (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.01 8:37 (#2640602 [slashdot.org] )

    Stop posting this! I've got hangover and Taco Snotting doesn't make me feel any better.

    I'm really glad that Taco Snotting is illegal here in Europe.

  6. Re:Snot me baby, one more time! (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.30 1:01 (#2634213 [slashdot.org] )

    Get a life you loser! Don't you have anything better to do than insult CmdrTaco and the gay community? We are not perverts, we are human beings just like you. So give it a rest!

  7. Re:Hello, perdida!!! Won't you snot my face tonigh (Score:-1)
    by perdida on [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.27 14:13 (#2618764 [slashdot.org] )

    Shut up you asshole.

    I am not great, I am merely adequate. I live in adequacy.

  8. Go back to Russia. (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.26 22:22 (#2616035 [slashdot.org] )

    You weiner trool!

  9. Re:The Taco-Snotting FAQ Rides Again!! (Updated so (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.25 9:14 (#2609574 [slashdot.org] )

    try to find a pic of actual "taco-snotting"! fucking funny it would be! so go to gay porn sites day in and day out until you find a man giving another man a blowjob that has jizz coming out of his nose and mouth. by the way, keep up the good work

  10. Re:Snotting another first!! (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.23 12:18 (#2603370 [slashdot.org] )

    WIPO, this is getting waaaay old, either drop it or revise it.... there've been no updates for days now...

    CmdrTaco

  11. Re:It's Taco SPAM!!! (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.22 17:28 (#2600815 [slashdot.org] )

    A truly excellent and very humourous troll indeed!
    However...

    To complete this perverted orgy, fellow geeks Michael, Timothy, and Jamie often join in, dressed in black Gestapo uniforms, jack boots, and leather gloves.

    Black GeStaPo uniforms? The GeStaPo (Geheime Staatspolizei - Secret State Police) wore civilian clothes (although there are reports on them occasionally using Allgemeine SS uniforms in occupied territories).

    I seriously doubt that perverted individuals like CmdrTaco et al would have the good taste to ever wear the outstandingly beautiful black Waffen SS uniforms! Please update the FAQ accordingly.

    • Re:It's Taco SPAM!!! (Score:0)
      by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.23 4:06 (#2602610 [slashdot.org] )

      Actually, it appears you are both wrong!! Ah ha!! I think our boy WIPO was thinking of the Allgemeine SS [militariacollection.com] uniforms. Waffen SS were grey.

  12. Re:Microsoft's Taco-Snotting Connection (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.21 4:49 (#2594325 [slashdot.org] )

    oh yeah, you say you have masturbated only 2 times to this post. well, by the time it takes for me to get through reading it, i usually end up masturbated 5 to 6 times, 10 to 12 if i have the goatse.cx homepage loaded up and am looking at it side by side with the slashdot page. my keyboard, hands, mouse, monitor, the underside of my desk and around the floor under my desk are cum soaked and sticky with the man smell i know and love.

  13. Re:Microsoft's Taco-Snotting Connection (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.21 4:41 (#2594311 [slashdot.org] )

    for version 2 you should make a total re-write of the cod...errr...text and add some details about cmdrtaco and the homo-gang's happenings with their coworkers (osdn?) and all of the gay revelry they enjoy and promote. by the way, did i just see cmdrtaco on television promoting the nax hair removal system? i guess after using vaseline in and around his ass he grew quite a ponytail and it had to be removed somehow...ouch!

  14. Re:Microsoft's Taco-Snotting Connection (Score:-1, Troll)
    by TRoLLaXoR [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.21 3:59 (#2594191 [slashdot.org] )

    WIPO, do you notice how few comments you get for anything you write/post/spam nowadays?

    -Trollaxor

  15. Jon-Katz docking (Score:-1)
    by sales_worldwide [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.20 11:53 (#2588488 [slashdot.org] )

    You forgot to mention Jon Katz's "docking" games, where he places his chopper head to head with another chap, and rolls the other guys foreskin over his own circumcised end ("docking"), providing him with fantasies of actually having his own forskin ...
    "Making linux GPL was the best thing I ever did" - Torvalds. I'd hate to see the worst thing...

  16. Re:Snotting a first! (Score:-1)
    by Fucky the troll [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.20 11:28 (#2588446 [slashdot.org] )

    Woah! When did the WIPO troll get freed? And how the fuck did I miss it?

    Excellent FP, sir.

    This is a sig virus. Please put me in your sig

  17. Re:Snotting a first! (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.20 11:04 (#2588407 [slashdot.org] )

    omg that is crapflooding material if i ever saw it!!!!!! and u got a first post!!!! whoot to the wipo troll!!!

  18. GW, please.... (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.19 9:03 (#2583756 [slashdot.org] )

    GW...you know we love every hair on your 27 acre ass... and I, for one, would never do anything untowards your graceful demeanor. And you probably have several friends that would love to help you do the bear dance all over my face if I so much as spelled your name wrong. And you know I'd defend your Constitutional right to defame God in heaven. I'd even help fund your education, should you ever decide to take that route. Hell, I'd buy you a tall tepid bear-whiz beer if you were here with me, right now!

    But. ...if you can't find another topic, I'm gonna step over your dead mother's grave and kick your assuredly anesthetitized butt clear across the playground.

    Now go stick your shaved head back down inside the woman's toilet, and just to show there's no hard feelings, I'll jump in the tow-truck and drive right over to help you pull it right out...ok?

    thanks

  19. Re:Help me Taco-Snotters!! (Score:-1)
    by mark knopfler 69 [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.19 8:25 (#2583695 [slashdot.org] )

    I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU SIR. FOR ONE THING, THE E-MAIL FROM CMDRTACO DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH GRAMMATICAL AND SPELLING MISTAKES. Let's be realistic here, CmdrTaco usually types with one hand, and since he is shaking from jacking off his aim on the keyboard isn't too good. Those e-mails were a little too well written. Sorry boy, you'll have to do better.

  20. Re: What the hell is "taco snotting"? (Score:-1)
    by WeatherTroll [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.19 8:14 (#2583667 [slashdot.org] )

    You should update this to say VA Software instead of VA Linux.

  21. YOU ARE WINNER (Score:1)
    by smackmonkey [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.19 7:06 (#2583510 [slashdot.org] )

    Crackhead moderators: this is +5, Hilarious material.

    --
    CNN declares War on Islam!
    Left-wing America declares War on its Civil Liberties!

  22. Re:On Taco-Snotting 1.9 (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.19 5:40 (#2583336) [slashdot.org]

    This was funny the first 100 times. Now it is getting boring!

  23. Digusting and Shameful (Score:-1)
    by egg troll [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.18 22:27 (#2582054 [slashdot.org] )

    Having masturbated *twice* to this post, I'm still incredibly aroused! Come over for a Taco Snot. I'll be wearing my crotchless Clifford the Big Red Dog outfit!!

    For more info check out this /. article [google.com]

  24. IMPROVE THE FAQ (Score:-1, Flamebait)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.18 12:03 (#2580822 [slashdot.org] )

    add more links to goatse and to cowboineal's site to make it better. a link to rotten.com would be nice too

    • Re:IMPROVE THE FAQ (Score:0)
      by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.18 12:18 (#2580832 [slashdot.org] )

      and a link to michael's site and to jon katz's site if he has one and homo's site. i dont know what else to say. maybe a few links to phallic.org they have nice penis pictures! a link to the planet quake site or whatever. really make the reader feel this faq really answers their questions. oh yeah, and when you talk about cmdrtaco snotting you, say he brought you to "orgasm after sweaty orgasm". describe it more is all i'm saying. and use more italics and bolding! and when you talk about jon katz shitting or whatever have a link to fecal japan on rotten.com

      other wise a great job wipo troll! keep up the good work!

  25. Re:CmdrTaco's filthy secret! (Score:-1)
    by Wil Wheaton [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.18 6:41 (#2580438 [slashdot.org] )

    Hi. Let's be buddies.. butt buddies.
    --
    WIL WHEATON DOT NET [wilwheaton.net]

  26. WIPO speaks the truth (Score:-1)
    by dead_puppy [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.18 5:33 (#2580342 [slashdot.org] )

    Here is an e-mail I received a week ago:

    From: malda@slashdot.org
    To: puppy_dead@hotmail.com
    Subject: were where you last friday? :(

    I thought we where supposed to meet at Backdoor's at 8-ish, sugar-lips? You could've at least told me that you could'nt make it! I was even in my favorite pink skirt for you, honey-cup... next time, you could be more considarite and tell me you cant come... bastard.

    --
    CmdrTaco (malda@slashdot.org)

    You finding Ling-Ling's [babysue.com] head?

  27. Taco snotting is WRONG!!! (Score:-1)
    by Big_Ass_Spork [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.18 4:53 (#2580300 [slashdot.org] )

    I do it wrong

    Laying here in the shadows of my room, I squint up at my love. My Ms. Portman. I am sore and tired after fucking her for eight solid hours. My chapped and aching dick is soaking in grits to relieve the pain. She gets on her knees and starts lapping the grits up out of the bowl. She places her beautiful hands on my penis and starts to lick the grits off my achy piece.

    Massaging my nutsack she....

    WAIT, I DO IT WRONG!!!!

    Yanking my dick out of her mouth I throw her to the ground and shove it in to her gaping freshly fisted ass. [goatse.cx]

    "OH BIG ASS SPORK!! Fuck my ass, fuck my ass good. DEEPER, my stallion, deeper!! Make a Beowulf cluster of sperm on my back!!"

    "Imagine a Beowulf cluster of this baby!"

    I DO IT WRONG!!!!

    ---
    All your Sporks are belong to Big_Ass_Spork! What you say?! All your Sporks are belo... forget it...

  28. Rob Malda Dead at age 25! (Score:-1)
    by j0nkatz [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.17 22:54 (#2579596 [slashdot.org] )

    I just heard some sad news on the radio -- famous queerbait Rob Malda was found dead in his Holland home this morning. The details were a bit hazy, but it seems that he drowned in jizz while Taco Snotting his friend Hemos. I'm sure everyone in the /. community will miss him -- even if you didn't enjoy his queer antics and boring ass website, there's no denying his contributions to the homosesual cultural development, particularly in the areas of Taco snotting. Truly an American icon.

    I wanna Open Source sex so it won't be worth a shit either.

  29. TACO-SNOTTING is really Donkey-Punching (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.15 6:38 (#2567601 [slashdot.org] )

    No no no, the correct term for that is "donkey-punch". I have eye-witnessed this amazing eye-popping event demonstrated on unsuspecting hose-monsters by my frat brothers in the past.. . :-)

  30. Re:the effect of knowlege laws... (Score:1)
    by AbsoluteRelativity [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.15 5:31 (#2567457 [slashdot.org] )

    The WIPO Troll [foundus.com]
    Slashdot and the Karma Lottery - News for uber monkeys, by uber monkeys.

  31. Re:Taco-Snotting (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.13 9:27 (#2557632 [slashdot.org] )

    Oh, man that's just sick !

  32. HOW DO I GET AN ANONYMOUS PROXY? (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.13 9:03 (#2557604 [slashdot.org] )

    TELL ME WHERE I CAN GET AN ANONYMOUS proxy please WIPO Troll. Maybe later i will join you in a snotting at my place. ;P

  33. Re:Taco-Snottage!?!?!? (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by vikool [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.13 7:43 (#2557495 [slashdot.org] )

    what is this bull shit,i feel offened that some people feel so so senseless to post stuff like these esp when such a tragic incident has occured

  34. Re:Taco-felching!! (Score:-1)
    by I.T.R.A.R.K. [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.11 22:38 (#2551890 [slashdot.org] )

    Where the fuck do I sign up?!

    - I throw rocks at retarded kids

    "Adequacy.org: Where congenital stupidity is not an option, but a requirement."

  35. Re:Taco-felching!! (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 21:53 (#2551753 [slashdot.org] )

    this shit is hilarious..keep up the good work.

  36. Re:Taco-felching!! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by rockwood [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.11 21:49 (#2551746 [slashdot.org] )

    OMG! That is the most disgusting thing I have ever heard! WHo in their right mind would sit down and waste the time to construct such a replusive story. I guess I'll be skipping lunch and dinner today.. and possibly tomorrow also. The game doesn't affect reality. Reality affects the game.

  37. Re:Ban this! It's disgusting!! (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 14:43 (#2550701 [slashdot.org] )

    dude, this is crap-flood material if i ever saw it.
    duuuuuuuuudddddddddddddeeeeeeeee.

  38. Re:Taco-Snotting = HATE SPEECH (Score:-1, Flamebait)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 8:16 (#2550266 [slashdot.org] )

    horny_rob_6969@hotmail.com

    Ah, so that's what the alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.horny-rob newsgroup is about!

  39. MOD THIS UP PLEASE!!! (Score:-1)
    by egg troll [slashdot.org] on 2001.11.11 5:34 (#2550024 [slashdot.org] )

    +5, Arousing

    For more info check out this /. article [google.com]

  40. Re:Taco-Snotting = HATE SPEECH (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 4:39 (#2549891 [slashdot.org] )

    WINNER>

  41. Re:Taco-Snotting = HATE SPEECH (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.11 4:37 (#2549887 [slashdot.org] )

    I love you. Why do you use your bitchslapped account, rather than signing up for a new account to post at +1 before getting bitchslapped by the censors here? I guess I should speak for myself, but I don't want to log out and lose all my slashdot customization properties, nor do I want to lose my 50 karma yet.

  42. Re:On Taco-Snotting (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.11.09 9:19 (#2542412 [slashdot.org] )

    you fucking rock! right down to the expanded cvs id!

    WIPO trolls > linux

________________________________________

$Id: tacosnotting.html,v 1.12 2001/12/02 20:07:02 wipo Exp $

Electric Vehicles -- The Big Lie (-1, Troll)

Bud Dwyer (527622) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697262)

I've always thought of myself as an ardent supporter of the Earth. I'll never forget my six years spent cavorting around Berkely, stoned out of my mind, singing environmentalist folk songs and such.

All that said, I can no longer tolerate the Electric Vehicle fraud being perpetuated by my environmentalist brethren. Whether out of ignorance, or sheer, Judas-like greed, I am seeing more and more supposedly pro-environment types buying into the big corporate Lie. Do you really think these big corporations (Ford, Chrysler, etc.) would support EV if they were good for the environment? Being a good earth-steward and being a greedy-capitalist are, and always will be, antithetical.

Let me lay it out for you. EV do more harm to the environment than the Internal Combustion engine could even imagine. (Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of the automobile no matter what powers it.) Producing the toxic substances (borate, in this case. Borate!) used in fuel cells entails spewing thousands of liters of Earth-murdering by-products. And what happens when a car powered by a borate fuel cell gets in an accident? (I'll leave that to your imagination.)

And that's before we get to the real problem. These electric vehicles still need to be powered by electricity! Can you fucking believe the nerve of corporations to suggest that we should use vehicles that rely on unnatural power production of any kind--and then call it "environmentally-friendly"? That's just unacceptable! Also, I'd strongly caution everybody against buying an EV, purely for economic reasons. Once we get a pro-Earth president in office (Gore/Lieberman 2004, baby!!) and stop circumventing the Kyoto protocol, your EVs will turn into so much scrap-metal with no environment-killing artificially generated electricity to power them.

Re:Typical tree hugger tripe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2697305)

Go drive your conastoga wagon over a cliff you whacko.

Re:Typical tree hugger tripe (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2697340)

No... typical slashdot troll, obvious yet someone always falls for it.

Screw the Arabs! (0, Flamebait)

quakeaddict (94195) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697264)

Remember, the planes did not bring down the Twin Towers, it was the burning oil that did. I think there is a powerful metaphor there.

As long as oil is cheap there is no economic incentive to move towards alternative sources of energy.

After 9/11, though, you have to ask yourself is that 1.00 a gallon gas price really that cheap when you take into consideration that:

1) the money we spend on oil is used to fund militant Islamic agendas
2) those same Islamic militants have an idea to destabilize democratic values throughout the world and replace them with Islamic fundamentalism?!

After 9/11 the economists of the world, the bean counters etc... have to look at the continued *risk* of using oil on world stability. They now have a concrete example. They have real economic numbers to work with. They can project into the future (e.g. the procurement of weapons of mass destruction using money derived from oil sales) and see what the true cost of continued use of foreign oil is to America and her allies.

As programmers you probably understand that legacy is 9/10 of the law, and that once it has been coded, you don't want to code it again. One of the main reasons we have not switched away from oil is because we as a nation have invested untold trillions of dollars in creating an infrastructure to support the distribution of oil and gas throughout this great country, and indeed the world. That system is the legacy and captitalistic forces tend to keep existing systems in place.

However, if you consider the cost of say rebuilding Washington DC or LA or New York because some Islamic fundamentalist decided to nuke it with a suitcase bomb, which was bought using the same money we spent on oil,then all of a sudden the cost of a new distribution network looks *alot* cheaper.

We sent men to the moon. We can reduce or eliminate our dependency on foreign oil. The fuel cell thing is but one example. After that we can export our technology to every other country on the planet. That will effectively turn the black gold currently found in the Arab's back yard into something that is as useful as sludge. Let them worship Allah as they smear it over their bodies for all it would be worth.

Screw the Arabs.

agreed (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2697281)

we must do something with these sick fuckers in the middle east. personally i say carpet bomb them motherfuckers and take their land. make it like USA #2. we have the right to kill anyone we want simply because we can. fuck islam it's a sick fucking religion that only a shit for brains worthless loser would turn to. ISLAM IS A DISEASE

Re:agreed (1)

phobia (970) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697371)

This was a sarcastic exaggeration of the flawed motivation of its parent.

The original "Screw the Arabs" assertion (which ignored the myriad of other uses of petroleum and the difficulty of convincing industries to act for the greater payoff to civilization) was modded up while this hint to read more carefully was modded underground. This all in a few minutes, causing me to doubt how much consideration was exercised at all.

I miss kuro5hin.

Re:Screw the Arabs! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2697416)

I'm posting anonymously to save my Karma from absolute destruction, but I do largely agree with your sentiment, if not all of your words. "Screw the Arabs" is an impolitic way to put it - but I think the point that the cost of oil is much higher than we think because we are funnelling money into an unstable region with many fundamentalist regimes or fundamentalist discontents living under dictatorships, and the result of that is bad indeed for all of us.

Re:Screw the Arabs! (1, Redundant)

FFFish (7567) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697419)

"You have to ask yourself..."

Er, no. Because what *YOU* think about the evil of oil and gas doesn't count. Not one little bit. It's what Bush and his oil cronies think that counts... and what they think is that war and mid-East upset is well worth the cost. After all, not only do they get rich off the war itself, they get rich off the world's largest oil reserves, which just happen to require a pipeline to run through Afghanistan.

As long as your political system is owned and run by megacorporations, you can not reduce or eliminate your dependency on oil.

This is a good first step... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2697265)

...for ending our ties with the arab nations in the middle east. They're basically pigs who are too hooked up with this islam shit. If someone can name me one decent arab nation then i will be suprised. saudi arabia=trash, iraq=trash, iran=trash, kuwait=trash, jordan=trash, oman=trash, uae=trash, bahrain=trash, yemen=trash, qatar=trash, pakistan=trash, afghanistan=pile of shit, libya=trash, sudan=trash, lebanon=trash, syria=trash, turkey=trash, egypt=trash, etc etc... this just shows how this stupid and worthless this islam shit truely is. feel free to criticize my classifications of these countries... if you can. fuel cells are a good first step in getting us away from these sick bastards.

Other similar alternative fuel source companies (1)

gcshaw2nd (398708) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697273)

Millennium Cell is a good company trying to bring a viable, cheap (relatively), alternative fuel source to the consumer market, but they aren't the only company doing so. A few others are

Fuel Cell Energy Inc.
http://www.ercc.com/

Plug Power
http://www.plugpower.com/

Manhatten Scientifics
http://www.mhtx.com/

Anyway, I thought someone might be interested in doing a little deeper research into fuel cell technologies. It seems like the we're right on the edge of a power revolution, but most people haven't even heard of it!

Re:Other similar alternative fuel source companies (1)

gcshaw2nd (398708) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697309)

Fuel Cell tech, I know, uses a different system than Millennium Cell's. Air and a regular fuel source like natural gas (or even unnatural gas from a waste treatmant plant in one instance) is combined in a stack of fuel cells to create electricity. The effecience is roughly 50%, which they claim to be really good even compared to fossil fuels. It's worth noting, however, that all these fuel cell technologies still rely upon a traditional form of fuel from which to derive the chemicals.

Huge water tank? (3, Insightful)

ukryule (186826) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697292)

To generate the hydrogen for the fuel cell the sodium boro-hydride is combined with water:
NaBH4 + 2 H2O ----> 4 H2 + NaBO2

Sodium Boro-hydride + water (+catalyst)-> hydrogen + Sodium borate
So does this mean you need a huge water tank? I saw no mention of this in the article - but I would guess you'd need more water than you need petrol in current cars.

Re:Huge water tank? (1)

catbutt (469582) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697314)

water is the by product of burning hydrogen

Re:Huge water tank? (2, Informative)

sam_handelman (519767) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697351)

Well, according to them [millenniumcell.com] it contains about the same amount of energy per gram as gasoline. It's as dense as water [ox.ac.uk] (about), while gas is half as dense, so, assuming you don't have to dilute it in order to store it, your tank of sodium borohydrate should be smaller than an equivalent gas tank. However, you're right about the water.

So, every 3+5+4 = 12 grams of sodium borohydrate (1 mole) need 2 * (18) = 36 grams (2 moles) of water. At that rate, you end up with four times the mass, which is over twice the volume, of water and sodium borohydrate together, as you'd need of gasoline.

Re:Huge water tank? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2697382)

And what about the by-product? For every molecule of NaBH4 you start with you produce a molecule of NaBO2. The atomic weight for these two are 37 and 62.
So, for every 1 kg of NaBH4 fuel you start with you have 1.75 kg of by NaBO2 by-product.

It's all about the distribution (2, Interesting)

wandernotlost (444769) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697297)

The biggest problem with this approach is the distribution. Unfortunately, nobody really seems to give a rat's ass about the environment, so they'd rather buy a car that pollutes the air but can use gasoline available at every other street corner than take the risk of having to drive an extra 3 blocks to the new sodium borohydride station. Hell, you can buy a VW Jetta TDI (Turbo Direct Injection, diesel fuel, like you can't get that anywhere) that gets twice the gas mileage of the GLX (unleaded) version, pollutes less, and has performance comparable to their lower end gas models. You don't see the roads filled with TDIs, do you?

Even if you could convince people to buy the cars, none of the gas stations will want to take on the expense of converting to the new stuff in the first place.

A solution won't fly unless it's cheaper, easier, AND performs better than what people have now. Unless, of course, Microsoft's marketing people have at it.

Emergency CERT notice: AIX, Solaris wide open! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2697301)

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) [netscape.com] - A security hole in software from Sun Microsystems Inc. (SUNW.O) and International Business Machines Corp. (IBM.N) could allow malicious hackers to take control of powerful servers running in many corporations and universities, security experts said on Wednesday.

Internet Security Systems Inc. (ISSX.O) researchers have uncovered evidence in Internet chat rooms that hackers have already started developing tools to take advantage of the vulnerability, said Dan Ingevaldson, a team leader at ISS' X-Force research and development lab.

The vulnerability affects the latest release of Sun's operating system, Solaris 8, and earlier versions, as well as IBM's AIX versions 4.3 and 5.1, according to an advisory issued by the Computer Emergency Response Team (CERT) at Carnegie Mellon University.

The hole is located in the "login" program that allows people to sign on to the operating system remotely by entering a username and password, ISS said. The vulnerability can be exploited only if certain remote command protocols, such as Telnet, are enabled, which they usually are by default, the company said.

ISS discovered the loophole in October and has been working with Sun and CERT on a fix, said Ingevaldson.

"We're not aware of anyone experiencing a problem with this," said Sun spokesman Russ Castronovo.

The security hole is very serious because there are so many computers in corporations and universities that run Solaris and because of the amount of harm someone could do if they were to gain complete control over a vulnerable machine, he said.

"Once you have super-user access to a machine you can do anything you want, modify files, create them, sniff network traffic," Ingevaldson said.

A temporary software patch is available for download from http://sunsolve.sun.com/securitypatch [sun.com] and a fully supported and tested fix will be available next week, Ingevaldson said.

Fixes are pending for AIX, according to CERT.

Pollution Free? (2)

toupsie (88295) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697320)

After reading the article (whoa did I just do that?), I find you are told in the beginning we are being given "the promise of pollution-free transportation" but at the end we find out it actually produces pollution from the natural gas process for the hydrogen component. Science will have to catch up with the idea to make it truely pollution free.

Also there is a problem with that left over borax that has to be recycled and delivered back to the consumer. Once its used, its spoiled. You can't wash your clothes with it. It has to go through a process to recycle the chemical. How much pollution will that process create? Same problem with electric cars. If they are getting electricity generated from a dirty power plant are they really helping the environment? A truely Green car will have to have a power source that is clean from beginning to end not just from the tailpipe on.

I think I will stick with my buck a gallon gasoline for the time being and use Mass Transit when I can. The ironic thing about the war in Afghanistan were the initial liberal handwringers screaming that Bush II was just trying to jack up oil prices to help out his evil, rich Texas buddies. As we see today, its dirt cheap -- bottled water costs more per gallon!!!

Re:Pollution Free? (2)

Zachary Kessin (1372) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697424)

There is a wonderful pollution free form of transport out there... Sail boats. :)

Anything that uses a chemical reaction to create power is going to create pollution of some form. We can get very cleaver about what form that will be. But the fundamental truth is that you are taking big complex molicules and breaking them up into smaller compounds and releasing energy. This applies to the Human body (and all other animals and plants) as well as cars, airplanes and powerplants.

Source of hydrogen... (5, Interesting)

boopus (100890) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697325)

The interesting thing about this article is not that they're selling a fuel cell based car, it's that they seem to have come up with a way to actualy power the fuel cell. For years we have been talking about hydrogen powered fuel cells "that's only byproduct is air and water", while ignoring the large amounts of energy needed to extract the most abundant elemet from the universe. Traditional hydrogen generation uses energy that (surprise) comes mostly from fossil fuels. If they've found a way to use borax instead of fossil fuels, I'll be very impressed.

Unless they've altered the laws of physics, it will still take energy to do this "recharging" of borax that the article talks about, but hopefully this can be more effient than todays batteries, and will at least provide an alternative to oil that does not pollute the air.

Wait a minute - borax? (2, Funny)

I-man (95468) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697368)

Ancient chinese secret, eh...?

hydrogen: you know you love it. (-1)

Al Gore (152558) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697372)

This is nothing new. Hydrogen-powered automobiles have existed for decades. You don't hear about them because of the oil lobbies. (No bullshit conspiracy theories, just plain truth.) Several automobile makers have introduced dual gasoline/hydrogen and diesel/hydrogen autos in Europe, but they never seem ti be marketed in the US. Part of this is because of the aforementioned oil companies, but the fact that petrol is so ungodly expensive in Europe is another factor.

Hydrogen power is simply amazing. I haven't read the details of Chrysler's model yet, but generally the only byproducts of the entire process are steam (just water vapor!) and heat. Excess heat can be used, along with regenerative braking, to recharge the fuel cells. Yes, you heard me, the rechargers can be integrated into the vehicle, and all you need is electricity. Imagine pulling up to a parking meter and plugging into to recharge your BMW just like your Nokia.

(Another refueling scenario would have you purchase pluggable fuel cartridges from gas stations. This scenario is more likely to reach the mainstream, because the oil companies could take a bigger cut by producing and recycling fuel cells.)

The primary marketing advantage of hydrogen-powered vehicles over other alternative energy vehicles is power. Almost all electric autos suffer from poor acceleration, and feel like PowerWheels toys compared to the gas-guzzling SUVs and sports-style cars that so many Americans love. Hydrogen-powered vehicles, though, feel just as powerful as gasoline/diesel vehicles, and will perform very similarly.

The only real marketing problem will be the public's misconceptions about hydrogen. Except a good number of pure bullshit, pure FUD "hindenburg" smear campaigns from our friends in Big Oil.

So there you have it. It's proven tech. It's enviromentally friendly. It's powerful. And once it's in widespread use, it'll be cheap. Write your Congressman, start a hydrogen fansite, do whatever it takes to get the word out. Hydrogen shouldn't have to be tomorrow's solution when it can work today.

(Yes, I've put my spare time to good use in the last year. I don't want to let out the secret just yet, but hydrogen power will definitely play a part in a certain someone's 2004 Presidential Campaign. I won't say who I'm talking about, but he's bearded and sexy and not Richard Stallman!)

Let's put the eco-nazis to good use. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2697374)

Despite their penchant for whining at me for eating a big hunk of steak (Hate to tell you, plants are living things too!), and attempting to spread my Morpheus-like trenchcoat with orange paint..

We might finally be able to get some compensation out of these whack jobs. If anyone can whine, kick and scream for a company to bring out a fuel-cell based car, it's the eco-nazis!

Yippee! (0, Offtopic)

spanky555 (148893) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697395)

It's time for the U.S. to get out of relationships with countries that hate us, i.e, most of the Middle East - could this be part of the ticket?

Then we can take a hands-off approach to everyone unless they pose an immediate threat (such as Iraq) or declare war, such as Afghanistan. For everything else, let them fight their own battles, use their own diplomacy, etc. I'm tired of giving these backwards countries excuses to label us "imperialists".

Anyway, to (ab)use a pun: more power to the alternatives, I say.

Its not just cost its Infrastructure (2, Redundant)

Zachary Kessin (1372) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697404)

Ok lets say that in 5 years Crysler (Or Ford or GM Or whomever) puts out a van that runs on these fuel cells. Before I go out and buy one I want to know a few things:

1) Where do I go for fuel?
2) How much does it cost per mile for fuel?
3) When it breaks where do I get it fixed?
4a) When it needs a part where do I get it
4b) How long does it take for the parts to show up?
5) How much does it cost to insure?

In the US we are real good at Gas and Diesel fuel you can get them almost anywhere. And enough things run on them that getting spare parts and people who know how to fix the things is not hard. I have seen cars that run on Compressed Natural Gas, but there is no way in hell I would buy one. Why because there are like 3 places in all metro Boston that I can get CNG. Where as the 87 octane gas that my Saturn wants can be gotten anywhere.

Remember the cost of owning a car is not just the fuel prices.

It will change the industry forever! (4, Funny)

jjeffries (17675) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697405)

For example, engine output power will now be rated in scores of mule teams.

Safe? Nope (5, Informative)

SpacePunk (17960) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697415)

Here's a couple of links.

http://espi-metals.com/msds's/sodiumborohydride. pd f

http://physchem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/SO/sodium_borohydr id e.html

Here's what the article says about Sodium Borohydride...

"To solve those problems, Chrysler's system stores hydrogen in sodium borohydride powder, which is nonflammable and nontoxic"

Here's what the data sheets say...

"Stable, but reacts readily with water (reaction may be violent). Incompatible with water, oxidising agents, carbon dioxide, hydrogen halids, acids, palladium, ruthenium and other metal salts, glass. Flammable solid. Air-sensitive."

"Toxic by ingestion. Risk of serious internal burns if ingested. Harmful if inhaled and in contact with skin. May cause burns or severe irritation in contact with skin or eyes.
Toxicity data
(The meaning of any abbreviations which appear in this section is given here.)
ORL-RAT LD50 89 mg kg-1
SKN-RBT LD50 4000 mg kg-1
IPR-RAT LD50 18 mg kg-1

Risk phrases
(The meaning of any risk phrases which appear in this section is given here.)
R15 R25 R34."

Looks to me like big business is full of shit yet again.

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Situation in the Mid East (1)

mt404 (534127) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697418)

I've always thought the same thing about the oil and auto industries. However in light of the deteriorating situation in the middle east do you think that some of the barriers that may have stood in the way of this might not be removed or relaxed?

Some political pressure from the right people could potentially cut the time to market on this and similar products substantially.

By the way... (-1)

Al Gore (152558) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697423)

Remember how I told you last year about how Bush's familial ties to Big Oil would prevent him from objectively defining a MidEast policy? Well I was right! Bush hasn't been in office for a year, and he's already instigated the breakdown of the Israeli/Palestinian peace program! Bush is also responsible for the recent Terror-Arab attacks on the US! Don't be fooled by the small drops in gasoline prices; this is the calm before the storm, the storm being Bush's inevitable return to Iraq to finish what his wussy father couldn't finish ten years ago. Oil prices will skyrocket, and Bush will be sitting in the Oval Office, laughing and snorting ("snortimigating") Claritin off of Jenna's baby-smooth ass.

I only hope that America has learned its lesson by 2004... why? Oh, no reason...

Energy (2)

NatePWIII (126267) | more than 12 years ago | (#2697431)

The thing that gets me is the energy has to come from some where. Everyone has been touting electric cars however you still have to plug them in to charge the batteries, well where does that energy come from, in the US it comes primarily from large coal burning power plants. Trust me coal burning is probably one of the dirtiest forms of producing energy, worse then oil or gas by far. So yes, our cars might be emitting less emissions but we haven't made any real progress if we are spewing out tons of coal burning byproducts just to generate the electricity.

My feeling is that we need to either harness solar power more effectively or other natural phenomena such as wind or wave. Maybe even Fusion has a chance eventually, regardless any of these methods will be considerably cleaner than fossil fuels.
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