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MS Zone Users Must Use Passport Accounts

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the start-your-own-instead dept.

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pathos writes: "CNet reports in this article that Microsoft, in its continued obsession to get everyone and his/her mother to be a registered Passport user, forced all of it's MS Zone gaming site users (including players of 'Asheron's Call') to open accounts in Passport in order to keep using the service... too bad that a bug with their .NET deployment kept many users not being able to access the service..." Of course, if you run the hotel, you get to say who uses the pool ...

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Could (-1, Offtopic)

jargoone (166102) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700696)

it be?

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Well, (1)

Gehenna_Gehenna (207096) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700701)

there goes my dream of being an Uber Mech Warrior, being Mech 3 & 4 the only games I own that require the 'zone.

*rofl* (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2700815)

You too?

Ah well, I grew tired of having people bitch about me 'legging' mechs anyway. (MW3 I could see, but in MW4, it's actually one of the hardest things to do if you're fighting anyone with any sort of skill. Quick legging is still slower than quick torso-explosion. Perhaps not as quick with a lucky shot and cockpit explosion, but hey.)

I play to kill IS stravaghs anyway, not for Microsoft stats!

IS: Waah, stop legging me!
Me: Okay. *snip missile racks* *snipe arms* Can I leg you yet?
IS: Waah, why do you have to aim? Mechwarriors aren't supposed to aim and use tactics!

Hotel pools (5, Funny)

Shadowlion (18254) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700713)

Of course, if you run the hotel, you get to say who uses the pool...

Yeah, but you can't control who pees in it.

:)

Dammit! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2700715)

Beat me to it!

Same as hotmail (3, Informative)

interiot (50685) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700717)

Why can't users just act the same as they do with Hotmail? Open up separate accounts for different uses, most with false information that can't be tied back to you without a search warrant?

Re:Same as hotmail (5, Informative)

Blackwulf (34848) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700741)

Why can't users just act the same as they do with Hotmail? Open up separate accounts for different uses, most with false information that can't be tied back to you without a search warrant?

Probably because, in the case of Asheron's Call, they have to have credit card information to bill you with (or they want to use the Passport to bill you instead?) and they need your real information.

For the free stuff, sure, I understand completely making a different account. But some Zone games are subscription based, so this solution won't work.

Thank god I don't play any subscription-based Zone games. :>

Re:Same as hotmail (2, Funny)

throbbingbrain.com (443482) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700825)

Get one of those prepaid visa cards from the grocery store. "My best friends call me cash."

Re:Same as hotmail (2)

interiot (50685) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700880)

Get one of those prepaid visa cards from the grocery store. "My best friends call me cash."

Can you really get them at grocery stores? The Visa Buxx FAQ [visabuxx.com] says that the cards are issued by individual banks, are usable through ATMs via a PIN you set, etc... is it practical to get a new one of these every once in a while? Are they really completely separate from the rest of your info?

Re:Same as hotmail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2700884)

Luckily they're using a separate billing system for premium Zone games rather than making people use the wretched Passport Wallet.

Re:Same as hotmail (1)

thegrommit (13025) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700875)

To be fair, you don't need a Hotmail account to get a Zone account. However, you are automatically signed up as a MSN user. I also had to logon to MSN before I could logon to the Zone to play Age of Empires.

Resist! (2, Interesting)

envelope (317893) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700722)

Resist, I say! Don't sign up for Passport!

Micros~1 can be stopped, but we all have to work together and resist!

Passport is essential to the Micros~1 plan for world domination. We can stop it by refusing to participate.

This thing scares me, really. How long will it be before every Windows user is required to have a Passport account before they can log into their workstation?

Re:Resist! (0, Troll)

davmct (195217) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700749)

It's already happening.. Install MS-Money 2002. Need a passport account to access your online bank statements. It even requests a login to use the software locally!

Re:Resist! (3, Informative)

reaper20 (23396) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700800)

No it doesn't ... I just installed it and it works fine. Sure, it asks you to sign up for passport every 30 seconds, but I can connect to my bank and get my stuff just fine without passport.

Re:Resist! (1)

substruo (543628) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700765)

There are SO MANY other free Web-based emails out there. Why don't we boycott hotmail and switch to other services? This would definitely put a dent in Microsoft's BIG plans.

Re:Resist! (2, Informative)

SpaceHamster (253491) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700814)

How long will it be before every Windows user is required to have a Passport account before they can log into their workstation?


Not long I imagine. Have you used WinXP? The very first thing it asks when you log in the first time is, "Would you like to associate a .NET Passport account with this user?". Yup, scary.

Re:Resist! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2700833)

What's scary about it?

I refuse to use Passport. (2, Interesting)

generic-man (33649) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700724)

I refuse to allow Microsoft, a company which has been found to have shaky (at best) security practices, to protect my private information on their service. I refuse to allow Microsoft to control my computer with their draconian authentication scheme, which is just a ruse to bolster arbitrary numbers on their annual report. I refuse to purchase any products or services of the Microsoft Corporation.

I have decided to start boycotting the Microsoft. Please also start, if you care about your rights as a citizen of the 21st century.

Re:I refuse to use Passport. (2, Insightful)

pi radians (170660) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700766)

I have decided to start boycotting the Microsoft. Please also start, if you care about your rights as a citizen of the 21st century.
Dude, I think most of us are way ahead of you. I was boycotting MS when I cared about my rights as a citizen of the 20th century.

I have never paid for MS product. Sure, I've used them countless times, buy not a single dollar of mine has gone to the evil empire.

Re:I refuse to use Passport. (0)

generic-man (33649) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700812)

I have never paid for MS product. Sure, I've used them countless times, buy not a single dollar of mine has gone to the evil empire.


You, sir, are an inspiration to us all.

Re:I refuse to use Passport. (1)

cavemanf16 (303184) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700802)

If you haven't already, check this site out: BoycottXP.com [boycottxp.com].

Re:I refuse to use Passport. (0, Redundant)

generic-man (33649) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700854)

I heartily endorse BoycottXP.com [boycottxp.com], and feel that it is our collective duty as citizens of the 21st century to boycott both the Microsoft and the Windows XP. This applies to both the Windows XP Home Edition and the Windows XP Professional Edition.

Re:I refuse to use Passport. (1)

crumbz (41803) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700897)

I completely concur. Time to cut off their money supply. Boycott.

Wouldn't it be amusing if...? (5, Interesting)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700725)

Wouldn't be amusing if somebody registerred a generic account and released the name/password onto the public?

Maybe when MS sees 4 million people logged on as $L4$hd0t it'll realize that the people don't want to be uniquely identified in EVERYTHING they do.

Re:Wouldn't it be amusing if...? (3, Informative)

generic-man (33649) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700751)

If two users try to log in to the Zone using the same username and password, the earlier login is booted off. My brothers tried to share an Asheron's Call account across two computers, but quickly ran into this limitation. Sorry, but it just can't be done. You'll have to pay Microsoft another $9 or so per month to play games such as the Asheron's Call on-line.

Re:Wouldn't it be amusing if...? (2, Funny)

st0rmshad0w (412661) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700790)

Even better if the billing acount was a Microsoft corporate credit card. =)

what would motivate a site (1)

jodonn (516010) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700726)

to change their infrastructure to support/require Passport like that? Are they being bribed?

Re:what would motivate a site (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2700774)

Uh.. it IS and always HAS been a Microsoft site. Did you read ANYTHING?

Re:what would motivate a site (1)

Arcanix (140337) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700843)

Well, it might be because Microsoft owns the site and Microsoft created Passport but there may have been bribes involved...

Re:what would motivate a site (3, Interesting)

flatrock (79357) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700902)

The MSN gaming zone is a microsoft site. I can see why Microsoft wants one universal system like passport to use for their various sites (MSDN switched a while ago). It saves them support costs in the long run. I'm also not sure how AC players lost any privacy through this move. Microsoft already had the credit card info from the previous zone accounts. It would be nice if Microsoft would accept some other form of payment other than credit cards for AC.

This surprised people? (1)

InfinityWpi (175421) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700729)

Seriously. Everyone acts all indignant when MS does something like this. I hear you need to be a US Citizen to be able to vote in the US, too. How dare we force people to be citizens if we want them to take part in our government?

Yeah, I know it's a flawed arguement. But it's not that far off.

US Citzen to vote? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2700773)

Not sure what the law says, but in CA, aliens vote all the time.

Re:This surprised people? (4, Insightful)

jd (1658) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700832)

There are some differences, as you're probably
aware. :) First, the US Government doesn't own
98% of all usable land. Now, if they did, and they
insisted that some African goat-herder who has
never even heard of the US be a US citizen in
order to continue herding goats, you could expect
a bit of a protest. Quite a bit of a protest.


The point is not that Microsoft is doing something
wrong, because they DO own the service and they DO
therefore have a say on how it is used.


The point is that they have monopoly control on
the desktop, they have monopoly control on the
browser market, and they are rapidly acquiring a
monopoly on the online gaming industry. The
leverage of a monopoly in ONE field to control
another is illegal, never mind three!


And therein lies the problem. The control is not
at issue. It is the abuse of monopoly power in a
seperate field, in order to gain that control,
which is so often the problem. You are simply not
permitted that kind of power, in the US. At least,
in theory. It's not slowed Microsoft any, even
though their actions have been declared illegal,
by numerous courts, over monopoly abuse.


(And here you were, thinking Monopoly was just a
board game!)

Re:This surprised people? (0)

quartz (64169) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700840)

Not everyone acts all indignant. Some of us who haven't been using anything Microsoft in years merely shake our heads in disbelief, wondering for a moment how much more of this shit Microsoft's users can take before they go insane, and then we move on. You don't notice us because since we don't really give a crap about what Microsoft does we're not inclined to comment on Microsoft related stories. We still read them, though, for their high entertainment value.

Re:This surprised people? (5, Funny)

talks_to_birds (2488) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700862)

  • "...I hear you need to be a US Citizen to be able to vote in the US, too..."

No. Wrong.

You need a M$ Passport to vote in the United States...

t_t_b

I agree, there. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2700899)

I can still play MechWarrior 4, for example, I just can't be an 'uber stat monkey' and sit around on the zone all day making fun of people who can't stand against my ph4t sk1llZ. :p

And even if future Microsoft games require Passport to play.. So? It's a Microsoft game. They have a right to choose who plays it. As long as it says, "Passport required for play." on the box, why do we have the right to bitch?

..If I want karma on Slashdot, I need to make an account. True, an account also saves preferences and tells the server where to shove that karma. But there's little difference here, because the Zone, for example, required me to make an account to store my MW4 stats.

So they're changing from some obscure account system to Passport. An account is an account. Accounts tend to hold you accountable, too, from what I hear.

Of course, there are alternatives. If I don't wish to endure the Passport system, I can go play, say, Heavy Gear instead. Or insist that Bandai needs to release a Gundam sim. Sure, it's not Mechwarrior 4, but maybe I should be taking that up with the people who sold the Battletech rights?

Rights, there's that word again. Yes, people who create things generally have rights to do with as they please with said thing. I'm an author by trade, and, while I don't feel the need to come out and say, "Hey, Joe Windows User, I don't want you reading my book!", I have the right to say, "Hey! Fred Publisher! You're not reprinting my material without paying me!"

But should I ever want to say, "Hey, Joe Windows User..", shouldn't I have that right? (Granted, it'd be pretty stupid of me *to* say that, but hey, work with me, people.) After all, anything I create is *mine*, to do with as *I* please.

I'm delving into things that are just silly here, but the argument holds with common sense issues too. Just as we don't want foreign nationals electing our president, we don't want people basing programs off of GPL'd code and closing the source. If we have those rights, why doesn't Microsoft have the right to say, "You can't utilize our stat recording system without getting a Passport."?

Perhaps it's just that some people insist the entire world revolves around and exists to serve *them*. (:

My ignorance is outstanding.... (3, Troll)

pi radians (170660) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700730)

So when the XBox's online program comes out in 6 months, will the users have to do the same thing? I would assume so. Which is one of the reasons I will never get the XBox and why I shake my head at everyone that did. Tsk, tsk, tsk kids.

Is the alternative that much better? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2700859)

Being a passport user on XBox or being an AOL user on PlayStation 2.

I knew there was hell, but hell x 2 sucks even more.

Typical (1)

Catiline (186878) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700733)

<sarcasm> This just sounds like what I expect out of Microsoft. They take well trained engineers and lock them in a room with a bunch of computers to write a progam, and apparently in the labs its' rock solid. But once it is released into the wild, it doesn't work at all. </sarcasm>
Seriously, though, this is a total disgrace and failure of service worthy of America Off-Line.

And people wonder why I hate big business....

Makes sense (4, Insightful)

jathos (170499) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700735)

I hate Microsoft as much as the next *nix guy, but this makes sense to me. If you're going to push a single account/password strategy, you need to implement it yourself first.

If you are going to use Microsoft web services, you have to get used to .NET and Passport. For myself, I'll just continue to choose not to use any Microsoft web services.

Re:Makes sense (1)

frost22 (115958) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700793)


I hate Microsoft as much as the next *nix guy, but this makes sense to me. If you're going to push a single account/password strategy, you need to implement it yourself first.
Of course this makes sense - nobody doubts that. About as much sense as it makes that you disarm someone before you kill him.

The Point is, we do not want Micro$oft to force us all into a single account/password strategy. It should sometimes be remembered that issuing passports is a government privilege.

f.

Re:Makes sense (3, Insightful)

O2n (325189) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700808)

Yes - it makes sense.

And be assured a lot of other big guys will back Micros~1 on this one - using the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" strategy. I mean, when almost everybody (say, 95% of the people) buying things online will have Passport, who's going to say "you need something else to get my stuff"? You have to have:
a) big balls;
b) a somewhat unique product or service;
c) some nerve

to try to pull this one.

Of course there will be (pathetic) alternatives to Passport - just enough that Micros~1 can say "it's a free market, Your Honor...".

reverse (2, Interesting)

rgf71 (448062) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700738)

Reverse that analogy about the pool:

If you're staying at my hotel, and swimming in my pool, I want your info.

Re:reverse (1)

davidhan (539718) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700888)

...and you have a monopoly on hotels and are trying to expand into other areas of hospitality, such as restaurants, nightclubs, cafes, and you wouldn't mind owning the highways, airlines, buses, trains, and you have a lot of security and stability problems...

Maybe this is not so obvious... (5, Insightful)

--daz-- (139799) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700742)

But the whole point of passport was to provide a single continous logon throughout the MSN suite of web sites.

Why is Zone.com any different?

Re:Maybe this is not so obvious... (4, Interesting)

SiliconJesus (1407) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700848)

Zone is different in that we still have our Zone names. Now I'm fortunate enough to have to remember one for the .Net Passport, one to associate my Zone name to it (once its associated, its just window dressing), and a different name for my Hotmail account. Through the beauty (ha!) of .net, I now have 4 passport logins, so that my hotmail / msn messanger account is in no way attached to my Asheron's Call account (which has a credit card connected to it) or my ISDN account (I used to be a M$ admin in a former life), or my regular Zone account. The beauty of it all is that NOONE can easily get into games - Again Microsuck underestimated the load that thousands of players would have on NT servers. Poor Microsuck. I'm writing them for a credit to my account. Bastages.

who is this supposed to be a surprise to? (0, Troll)

gonar (78767) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700743)

seriously. they (and other large companies) bought the government that they wanted, and now are proceeding with their agenda.

Re:who is this supposed to be a surprise to? (3, Insightful)

elefantstn (195873) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700778)

Hmmm, I was unaware that special legislation was required to make people use their login system for their website. What did I miss?

Re:who is this supposed to be a surprise to? (2)

gonar (78767) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700826)

it's not about legislation, it's about the anti-trust case. if the case were still being pressed, MS wouldn't be able to push this shit down customers throats.

bush made it clear during his campaign that he would stop/hinder/castrate the prosecution if elected.

this installment of the us govt clearly values the rights of corporations and government agencies above the rights of CITIZENS.

Business sense. (5, Insightful)

Matt2000 (29624) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700748)


Of course, it looks a little different if you consider things from a business perspective. If you're a company that has 7 different login and authentication systems for their wide array of services, and you could centralize that for cost savings, wouldn't you do it? I would.

The problem with Microsoft is that later down the line someone will say "we should use this massive pile of user data we've got to get volunteers to test our new free brain implants."

Not everything Microsoft does is evil, it's just usually the last thing that they do that turns everything they've done before evil.

Licensing fees... (2)

sterno (16320) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700867)

And don't forget licensing.

Today:

"Look, we'll make it easy for you to integrate all your authentication into one easy system and we'll even give it to you for free!"

10 years from now:

"Our auditing system indicates that your payments for licenses are past due. According to the terms of service we may claim this past due payment in stock, thus giving us majority share of your company."

A severe exaggeration, but you can bet that Microsoft's need to keep it's growth going will push it to make this all seem so easy and palatable now and will be followed with a big fee in a few years.

Microsoft..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2700753)

...needs to be stopped b4 it is too late.

Re:Microsoft..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2700785)

b4? Does this look like a bingo hall? Go earn some spelling moron!

Re:Microsoft..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2700821)

Go earn some spelling moron!

how do you earn spelling?

Actually, that's 'Bass Ackwards'... (2, Redundant)

DanEsparza (208103) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700755)

If you own the hotel, you get to say who gets in the pool...

Actually, I think that's too small of scope for Microsoft -- they own several small 'countries' and if you want to stay overnight, you now have to stay in a MS Hotel (tm).

This is totally bogus. When are game manufacturers (in this case) going to realize that they don't have to give up this much control over their userbase? Microsoft could potentially steer users to THEIR games (and I'm sure in many cases already do). More companies need to invest in infrastructure and online services and MS's online empire will start to crumble -- but they need to act fast. Microsoft now has the potential to really have a strangle hold on customers: They now have email addresses (read: 'sales leads') for a BUNCH of folks.

Re:Actually, that's 'Bass Ackwards'... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2700870)

Or you could sleep overnight on the side of the road in your shitty beat-up Yugo. I believe its license plate reads "LINUX."

Re:Actually, that's 'Bass Ackwards'... (3, Funny)

Zico (14255) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700905)

They now have email addresses (read: 'sales leads') for a BUNCH of folks.


Nooooo!!! Not <gasp> E-MAIL ADDRESSES!!!!


Dude, get a clue already. How many games have you bought because someone sent you an email?

Are you surprised? (3, Insightful)

Rick the Red (307103) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700756)

This is not news. News is if Micro$oft ever announces that Passport accounts are no longer required to access one of their sites.

Predictions:

Microsoft will block access to www.microsoft.com unless you have a Passport account.

When that happens, Slashdot will report it as 'news'.

What's the big deal? (3, Funny)

gopherdata (228790) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700757)

I've never played any games in the "MS Zone" so I may be way off base here. I assume you have to have a "MS Zone" account to play the games, what's the big deal about having a passport account instead? Whether Microsoft wants to keep seperate logins to all of their services, or one login that works everywhere doesn't much seem to matter. I don't like the idea of MS pushing Passport as some internet wide login system, but for their own sites I think it makes sense (aside from the security holes).

Re:What's the big deal? (4, Insightful)

Rick the Red (307103) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700820)

I assume you have to have a "MS Zone" account to play the games, what's the big deal about having a passport account instead?
It's a privacy thing. If you have a MS Zone account and you access some other site, that other site doesn't know who you are, let alone that you have a MS Zone account. Now, if you instead have a Passport in order to play at the MS Zone and go to that same other site, if they use Passport too then that other site not only knows who you are they know where you live and your phone number and your ISP and your credit card number(s) and any other info M$ has managed to collect about you. This may ease checkout at their online store, but if you're not there to buy anything why would you want them to know all this?

It remindes me of Tandy's long-bankrupt Incredible Universe, which wouldn't let you in the the door without a credit check. Hmm, I wonder why they're no longer in business?

Re:What's the big deal? (2)

SiliconJesus (1407) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700874)

The BIGGEST deal is that Microsoft wasn't able to scale to the task at hand. Originally, they had a login association field of 10 characters, wheras the Zone allowed logins of up to 16 characters. Whoops, didn't see that coming.

As a player of Asheron's Call, I have to say - its a slick game. I've invested about 2 years into my character, and I love her. Now with Microsuck screwing up the whole passport connection, I had to go 2 whole days without AC. That may not sound like much, but I have an addiction problem. I had to load up the Sims to get my fill of meddling with people's lives.

Dammit. (2)

elefantstn (195873) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700762)

I love Age of Kings, and playing on line is a trillion times better than playing the computer. Now I need a damn Passport account? That really blows.

Well, there goes my rating ... (1)

husker_man (473297) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700763)

Used to be a fairly regular player on the
GameZone pages, playing mostly chess and Risk.
Even got my rating in the chess areas higher than
my old USCF (United States Chess Federation)
rating was.

Bill, you just lost some more page views on your commercials.

Well, (1)

cavemanf16 (303184) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700764)

The only game I would've even thought of justifying signing up for The Zone for would be AOE2, but since I never got around to it over the past year and a half (CS, B&W, and now Civ3 are just so much better!), I guess I'll just play it during LAN parties only. Oh well, I'm getting more used to using Mandrake 8.1 and associated productivity apps in Linux everyday, thanks mainly to MS' recent draconian measures. So I guess I should actually be thanking Microsoft for being assholes. It's made me learn how stupid I've been in not learning Linux sooner! >:)

BTW, What little I have seen of WinXP has been nothing but a whole lot more window-dressing to the UI of Win95, with the stability of WinNT. Win2k is used by me at home, but only 'cause it's a cross between Win98SE and WinNT. I find it no more innovative functionally than Win95, but it is a bit easier to use. Linux on the other hand, well, when Christmas is over, I'm going to get me a subscription to Transgaming's WineX.

Just wait... (1)

sterno (16320) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700891)

Give it a year or two and I'm sure they'll make changes to DirectX, etc, that will make Win2K completely worthless for playing any of the new games, etc. They'll suck you in eventually...

you would've thought (0)

davmct (195217) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700767)

That Microsoft would've been able to bridge the gap between their zone users and passport. Yahoo's been doing it for years, having one login to access all of their services. It just seems easier from the standpoint that you can access Microsoft's web properties using a common login. What concerns me is when this information starts being shared between alternative vendors... ie: eBay. I'd personally rather have an account setup for eBay with a different password than what I use for my hotmail email or play video games.

Perhaps... (1)

st0rmshad0w (412661) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700768)

things may have gone smoother if they weren't running BETA software in a production environment, as one of their spokes-droids recently divulged.

Not to worry, (1)

A_Non_Moose (413034) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700769)

I'm sure things will smooth out once this is reported on C .NET .com's news site.

Too bad getting a passport account is not as painful as getting an actual passport.

Ah, well.

.

TOS? (5, Insightful)

ryanr (30917) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700770)

And if I violate the ToS for any Microsoft service, do I get my passport pulled so that I can no longer access my Hotmail account or anything else that requires it?

Re:TOS? (5, Insightful)

Syberghost (10557) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700813)

Exactly. This is why you have to make a decision:

Either use Microsoft for EVERYTHING, or for NOTHING.

There just isn't much of a middleground anymore. Either take the plunge, wipe Linux off your drives, and surrender all your data (personal and PC) to Microsoft, or don't use them for ANYTHING at all.

Get rid of that Windows gaming partition, and just run Linux games. Or don't bitch when Microsoft bends you over like this. It's their service, you agreed to that when you signed up. Even if you signed up with Hotmail before Microsoft bought it, you still agreed to follow Hotmail's terms of service, including updates, and it's been updated.

There are still pockets of things you can do with Microsoft software that don't suck you into the whole mess (such as using Windows 98 for those games), but eventually it's all going this way. Eventually you won't be able to run any of the new games on Win98, and you'll have to make the choice; and when it comes, it'll be a Microsoft product that requires Passport in order to function.

Make your choice, and don't bitch if Microsoft changes the rules after you've agreed to a contract allowing them to. You're a free human being, you make your choices and you live with the consequences.

Re:TOS? (1)

Karen_Frito (91720) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700887)

Or, just don't play games that require you to use Passport, and when MS finally -does- require it for Windows, -then- kill it.

Yes, its a gamble. You hope that by the time you have to kill the MS partition, that the Game Companies will have gotten the clue that the people who obsessivly buy games are likely to also be people who don't want to install Windows.

There -is- a middle ground for those of us who want to play Roller Coaster Tycoon and are just too bloody impatient to wait for it to come out on for Linux/BSD/whathaveyou. At least, there is -right now-

Ask me again in 2 years, I may have another answer for you.

Someday this will bite them in the ass. (5, Insightful)

Xenopax (238094) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700772)

I know we've said this before, but whenever Passport allows access to everyone bank account and stock portfolio the Passport servers will the the target of every black-hat hacker on the planet. And you know that script kiddies will be blasting it constantly with DOS attacks.

I'm sure MS will have excuses for why it happened to, like published security holes and such. But it will be their fault for leaving so much critical information linked to one account.

-Xenopax

Fuck (0)

Whistler's Mother (539004) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700776)

Fucking Article moderators, my roomate sent you news about this 2 weeks ago since he works for the damn ZONE as a MemberPlus room Moderator, but you damn queers just reject everything, fucking commie bastards, racist slashdot staff, you rejected his article because he is black....

Starbucks!? (1)

rootmonkey (457887) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700781)

"..but other companies have done it--Starbucks just switched their old log-in system to Passport and did it smoothly."

Hmmm... I bet an online gaming community is used quite a bit more than starbucks online site. What would you do with a starbucks account any way?

Gaming Zone is no use to me (1)

Chloe Dubois (541434) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700784)

While I am not much of the gaming type (My fiancé Yves enjoys the Quake and similar shooting matches on occasion, but I cannot share his taste for bloody games), I have dabbled with some of the MS Gaming Zone games that are come with XP. Their service is terrible, I can assure you that. Server browsers and chat are slow and bulky; I cannot understand why anybody would use the Gaming Zone for any purpose. If you want to play the Chess or Draughts online, you can use the much better free chess [freechess.org] services, and honestly bargain bin games like Mechwarrior and "Asheron's Call" don't interest me in the least bit.

This seems like it is merely Microsoft trying to get something to use their Passport systeme, since they cannot seem to sell it to any major service people are using. We should simply ignore their silly publicity tricks.

The history of .net (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2700791)

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Maybe I'll stop receiving their newsletter (1)

1D10T (455536) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700794)

I have once signed up for the Zone and since then I keep receiving the MSN-"Newsletters", though I often said I didn't want them. Maybe this way they will sign me out and stop sending me Spam.

Shame.... (2, Interesting)

DeMorganLaw (543089) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700796)

I used to do a lot of gaming over the zone a few years back. Was probably the only Microsoft service that I ever liked. Damn shame, now ill never use the Zone again. Anyone up for an Open Source solution to the Zone?

Terms of Service (5, Insightful)

sterno (16320) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700804)

Here's a question for people to ponder. What happens if I violate the terms of service of Passport or any attached property of Microsoft? Or more to the point, what happens if Microsoft mistakenly thinks I did but I didn't (like if I was hacked, etc). It seems that as Passport is further extended, this has a greater and greater impact on my ability to do things on-line. What if my bank uses passport? What if I communicate with my doctor through a passport secured site? If I get booted from passport for whatever reason, there could be some serious personal ramifications, and there's noreal recourse for me because I clicked the little "I Accept" button.

I grant you this is a little out there and paranoid, but I think that if passport does become a very fundamental part of on-line authorization systems, this could become a potential problem

Re:Terms of Service (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2700901)

Your paranoia is not misplaced. It's predestination [cryingvoice.com] that someday, this very thing will happen. Yeah, go ahead, bash on the Bible, but if this post can be marked insightful for the possible future ramifications a system like Passport may have on society, then surely you cannot disclaim the linked passage which details exactly the same thing, from the perspective of a human-being (John the Baptist) 2000 some years ago.

Maybe... (1)

Renraku (518261) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700807)

Maybe if the Zone wasn't a slow, unstable, proprietary system that can only be accessed by loading up large amounts of laggy, mem-leaky software, it would be nice. But I guess Microsoft doesn't want *nix users to access the Zone, eh?

ROTFL... ahh, the cruel, cruel irony. (4, Funny)

A_Non_Moose (413034) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700823)

From the article:
"It's a difficult task, but other companies have done it--Starbucks just switched their old log-in system to Passport and did it smoothly."

"It's kind of surprising," Rosoff added. "If anyone should be able to implement a Passport switch, it's Microsoft."


That is hilarious: The staffers at a coffee house that, no doubt, keep MS programmers in caffinated beverages, can implement MS's own stuff better than MS can.

Ahaaahahaha.

Do you think maybe we should send MS some penguin mints? Oh, wait, belay that...probably most here would consider that aid and comfort to the enemy.

.

This is probably cheaper for MS (1)

Henry V .009 (518000) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700837)

This probably saves MS some money. They are currently evangelizing passport as a central repository for user information on the net, and it doesn't make sense for MS to use two different formats for saving user information, one for gamezone and then passport on top of that. Saving money this way is exactly what they want passport to be used for. Now, I for one, would like the heyday of anonymous browsing to continue forever, but I forsee a future where you have fewer and fewer options available to you on the internet without giving up at least some user information.

A really crappy database (1)

TurboDog99 (442475) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700845)

Considering that many people that I know and I use names like reg sucks and fuck off, I don't know how useful their stupid databases will be anyway. I hate having to register every time I want to get driver updates and such, and maybe when they see all this crap in their databases, they might wake up to the fact that many people don't like giving out personal information. If companies actually were responsible with the information, our phones wouldn't ring off the hook from telemarketers calling, and we wouldn't get so much junk mail. It's bad enough that entities like the government, who we must give proper information to, sell our information.

Yeah, and? (2)

ImaLamer (260199) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700849)

MS Zone Users Must Use Passport Accounts.

Of course. Passport is built nicely into XP. This will be their next step in taking over the world. Why not put it into something that is BUILT IN to Windows eXpect Problems? Programs => Games => Internet [Hearts,Checkers,Spades]

With the prospect of wireless access, we need something to identify us - but only when we decide to be identified and only to the person we decide to be identified to.

Think about this, you go around town with your laptop. You can connect to a wireless network of some type and shape. Now just like real life, you may be asked for your ID, or some sort of information that will identify yourself to the person or business asking. If you refuse - you don't get what you want either. So lets take this same idea into 'cyberspace' - and don't REQUIRE yourself to be ID'ed

If you want to beat M$ out of this spot of domination - not only do we need to support and back another method of identification, we need to beat them in the content wars.

M$ web sites and services sometimes are pretty, but they lack in content. Stray from doing business with sites [ebay.com] that back Passport. Don't use HoTMaiL, don't use MSN Zone - but more importantly inspire or create content that will challenge M$ content because they are the last company we want to control this idea.

No end (1)

akincaid (471204) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700852)

Microsoft won't stop until everyone is in their MS-Homes wearing their MS-Underwear and ordering MS-Milk on the MS-internet. I swear, they would make MS-Air if they could.

Ah yes . . . (2)

micromoog (206608) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700856)

After a brief brush with "UNIX security is not the be-all end-all", we're back to good ol' Microsoft bashing in-depth.

I was worried for a minute there.

Why is this under "Your Rights Online" (4, Insightful)

Quarters (18322) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700858)

This has nothing to do with rights. Well, it does, but it has to do with Microsoft's rights. They have a right to use whatever authentication system for their web pages that they choose.

You, as the average internet consumer do not have a right to access some companies pages without using the access mechanism that they choose. You do have a right to not grace that company with your business, though.

Really, can someone explain to me all of the mis-directed righteous indignation at Microsoft over this? It's a non-issue. If you don't like what MS has done with the Zone...tough. Just go play elsewhere.

Re:Why is this under "Your Rights Online" (2, Insightful)

MisterBlister (539957) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700900)

I was about to post the same, when I saw this message.

Your Rights Online? WTF?

As Quarters said, nobody is forcing you to use Passport..If you disagree with the idea of Passport, don't use the Zone. Last time I read it the US Constitution (and I'm sure the founding documents of all other countries) didn't grant anyone the right to play Asheron's Call without signing up for a Passport account.

The only way this would be a rights issue, and then corporate more than individual, is if Microsoft were NOT allowed to make such decisions about properties that it fully owns.

i submitted this story last week (1)

kird (110317) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700878)

and got rejected.

i knew this was going to be a problem since there are always about 100,000 people logged into the zone at any given time. Asherons Call has a base of 15,000 fanatics (i'm one of them) basicly, M$ set themselves up for a DOS attack with a ton of gamers from all over targeting their servers at the same time. The system was poorly implemented, why bite the bullet and force everyone in at the same time?

Boycott (1)

Lunar82 (541435) | more than 12 years ago | (#2700883)

I propose that in response we arrange a boycott of Microsoft products and services. For those of us who use microsoft products such as their Internet Explorer, Outlook Express , etc. it should be relativly easy to switch to alternative products such as the browser Opera [opera.com]. It may be a bit harder for those who use Windows to switch to an alternate OS such as Linux, but if you think you can afford to make the switch, do so at the earliest opportunity. And of course it goes without saying that if you have a Passport account that you should cancel it immediately. We have to draw a line in the sand right here, right now, or this will only get worse!
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