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Home Server Rooms?

Cliff posted more than 12 years ago | from the things-you-might-do-to-a-den dept.

Technology 464

Tuzanor writes "I've got a buddy moving into a brand new house. Being geeks, we've decided to wire the house with a large home network. While this story took care of wiring the house, we need to figure out how to create a well set up server room. We'll be having both towers and rack mounted computers as well as various switches, UPSes, etc. Also, we figure this room will get warm, even in winter. How may we cool it while still keeping the rest of the house toasty warm on a cold Canadian night (without opening a window)"

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Localized Thermometers (2, Interesting)

Mattcelt (454751) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709464)

Has always been my solution of choice. Of course, that only takes care of half the problem. I had considered switching vents. (Hey, if it works for 10baseT...) These could reroute the air to wherever it needed to be.

Natural cooling (0)

serts (186928) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709465)

Open the window?

Re:Natural cooling (1)

jrockway (229604) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709468)

Uh, it says in the abstract "(without opening a window). Who looks stupid now? :)

Re:Natural cooling (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2709476)

You could always open a window without actually "opening a window" you know ;)

Re:Natural cooling (2, Interesting)

xueexueg (224483) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709497)

Uh, it says in the abstract "(without opening a window).Who looks stupid now? :)
Yeah, but it's a decent solution. An old office of mine had the machine room in the same room as this insane radiator that never stopped working pumping heat, year round. When we installed a cooling/ventilaton system it stressed the wiring in the room so much that it caused a fire. So we just kept the window open all winter. It had bars on it to keep out the criminal elements, and glass in front of it to keep out the meteorological elements.

I'm not necessarily/unqualifiedly recommending that, but if you're already using tons of electricity to run all this useless equipment, you'll just have to use that much again to cool it all. Just keep a window open. I know the abstract said otherwise, but I think he should think again.

Re:Natural cooling (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2709527)

Obviously you're never lived through a Canadian winter..... an open window would mean snow inside, and sub-zero temperatures (the average day so far this winter has been -20C where I live)

Re:Natural cooling (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2709564)

Well Winnipeg, Edmonton and Yellowknife aren't all of Canada.

The rest averages at worst -10C in the coldest months, 10C above for the whole year.

Re:Natural cooling (1)

serts (186928) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709516)

It's early, ok?

But seriously, if it's a cold climate, the open air might be an alternative. Perhaps not using a window left swinging in the breeze, but exhaust fans would probably keep the temperature down as well as the electricty bill.

Re:Natural cooling (geothermal) (4, Interesting)

swordboy (472941) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709554)

Check out geothermal cooling [doe.gov] . Dig about 5 - 7 feet down into the ground and you've got a consistent temperature *year 'round*. The temperature happens to be ideal for cooling in the summer and heating in the winter.

It'd be *ultra geek* if you could set up a processor cooler based on this technology.

Re:Natural cooling (geothermal) (5, Interesting)

DJerman (12424) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709637)

Yah, but PC's arent designed to be earth-cooled :-). You'd have to dig a really long (or deep) shaft to get enough air-to-earth heat transfer area to keep up with the heat output of the PC's. Too short and eventually (perhaps quickly) the air from the room will elevate the temperature of the exposed surfaces, outstripping the thermal conductivity of the earth and baking the equipment.

The exhaust fan sounds better to me -- most equipment is designed to be air-cooled in a cool-room-temp environment, so dragging the house-air through the room makes sense.

If you want to get really wild -- insulate the interior walls and cut a window, then mount a window air conditioner across the interior wall to pump heat from the server room into the house proper, recycling instead of dumping.

kill two birds (2, Interesting)

eric6 (126341) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709466)

if you DON'T cool it, you also solve the problem of your staying warm on those cold winter nights...

FP! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2709467)

FP!

Invitations (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2709469)

You could try to invite some cool chicks.

Re:Invitations (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2709549)

Sir, I'm sure they've already tried everything and have finally realized it's time to give up the ghost and move into a house full of computers. Both towers and rackmounts. Oooh.

You're all sad, sad people.

Re:Invitations (3, Funny)

mrpotato (97715) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709555)

You could try to invite some cool chicks.

Yeah, because cool chicks are attracted to server rooms like flies are attracted to shit...

Re:Invitations (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2709593)

Or some hot chicks to the other parts of the house in the winter.

ceiling vent (2, Informative)

kidlinux (2550) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709472)

Would it be possible to install a ceiling vent fan, similar to those found in bathrooms used to vent steam? If you could do that, and possibly keep a window open a crack (just enough to balance the outside cold with the inside heat so it's comfortable), then close the door to the room, you'll be all set.

Re:ceiling vent (2, Insightful)

skroz (7870) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709496)

Temperature is not the only problem; you also have to consider relative humidity. Opening a window may introduce more problems than it solves.

Re:ceiling vent (1)

Lispy (136512) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709533)

"Opening a window may introduce more problems than it solves." - I always thought so, but my coworkers keep annoying me to open it once in a while...weirdos..!

Lispy

Liquid (1)

WiKKeSH (543962) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709473)

i would go with some insane liquid cooling.
i have no experience with rackmount servers though, so i dont know if it can be done easily, or if its worth the cost.

Re:Liquid (1)

gladbach (527602) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709513)

he is concerned with heat, not noise.... liquid cooling still dissipates the same amount of heat into the air around it...

heat concerns (4, Funny)

TheEviscerator (240966) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709475)

As far as heat is concerned, I wouldn't worry too much. Given the extreme lack of sexual activity associated with wiring your house with switches, UPSes, and god-knows what other geek toys, your house should stay plenty cold throughout the year, especially during the winter.

Air circulation (1)

swright (202401) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709477)

...has benefits both ends of the scale..

in the winter, the hot air helps warm the rest of the house, in the summer it helps keep air circulating in the server room to help the fans do their job.

Also, try to make the server room downstairs or in a basement or something (take advantage of the rising heat - both through the ceiling of the room and the flowing air after its left the server room due to the ventilation).

A somewhat modified desk fan stuck in a hole in the wall might also be nice :)

Cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2709478)

Liquid nitrogen?

What I did... (4, Informative)

Jordan Block (192769) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709479)

Well, I recently converted what used to be a 10'x6' pantry in my basement into a server room.

I tore out all of the old shelves, and picked up a bunch of nicer ones from Revy to hold my main servers and my (still nonfunctional) cluster, and screwed them into one of the longer walls. Opposite that, I used some of the old shelves to
make a small workbench, and I left room to add 2 or 3 racks (not that I'll ever need that much space) at a later date. It works really well, and because it used to be a pantry, and 2 of the walls are bare concrete, as is the floor, its stays down right COLD in there, even with 10 or so boxes going.

Bomb shelter (3, Informative)

dattaway (3088) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709543)

Concrete is interesting; its supposed to insulate, but for some reason it breathes cold air. The house I just bought was built during the Cold War and has an interesting room in the basement: the walls and ceiling are thick concrete. The temperature stays rather cool with all the electronic equipment running and I had to put in a quartz heater just to stay comfortable.

Ceiling fans (0)

Flarners (458839) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709480)

In the server room at my old place of work, we had some heating problems in the summer. If you make sure the room is well-ventilated (opening windows, having air ducts, etc.), regular old ceiling fans work wonders for cooling large rooms, and make your server room look more classy as well :-) Just be sure to keep them spinning at their fastest speed if you've got a lot of Alphas...

Here's an idea. (1, Funny)

andrei sama (468472) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709481)

Tell a few people that they can room for free in this new house if they stay in that room. And blow upon the servers. For all eternity.

Cooling (1, Informative)

Gonzotek (206051) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709482)

Use vents to pull air from the coolest parts of the house (basement, unheated porches, etc) and pump that through the server room. Have another set of vents to pull the hot air from the server room into back into the house. This lets the server room act as a secondary heater to your primary one and cools the room.
-=Gonzotek=-

Re:Cooling (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2709625)

"Have another set of vents to pull the hot air from the server room into back into the house."

Make sure you don't run any GNU software on those servers, because it will start to smell goat shit all around your house.

Decentralized A/C (2, Informative)

cherrypi (71943) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709485)

At my office, we've got a ceiling mounted AC unit. It hangs from the drop ceiling, and I imagine it's less expensive than a full home-cooling AC unit, so probably no more than 500 bucks, maybe much cheaper. But it keeps our server room at a crispy 50 degrees F with minimal chill seeping out (so insulate the door).

Come on... (4, Insightful)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709488)

Is this a serious question?

Just set up the ventilation system to suck warm air from the top of the server room, and pipe it to the colder rooms in the house.

For air return, install intakes near the bottom of some of the colder rooms.

It would cost like $50 at a home improvement store to get enough flexible ducting and registers.

Go to a surplus site like www.mpja.com and get some AC powered fans with a good CFM output.

Re:Come on... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2709641)

Oh, you mean I can get this from the outside world? It was not documented in man pages.

Easy (2, Funny)

TACD (514008) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709489)

I do assume that your server room will be in the basement / garage? Good-o.

Is there any real reason why you can't just buy a couple of those big basement freezers and put them in there? It can't be too hard to put in extra lights if you need them, and I guess some silica dessicant would be a good thing to have in there too...

After all, it is only a home server room. ;-)

Wrong. (1)

bleckywelcky (518520) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709621)



Someone doesn't know their thermodynamics, hmmm....

Fridges and freezers work by pumping the heat out of a certain space (the space inside the fridge/freezer). Guess where that heat goes tho? Outside the back of the appliance. That's why the backs of em are always hot, it's not just cuz' there are "things working back there". The heat that is coming out the back is exactly equivalent to the heat that is being lost inside of the appliance, causing the decrease in temperature.

So, the net heat change by sticking a freezer in a server room is zero ( 0 )! And it'll be just as hot as it was before.

Now, if you were to stick the backside of the freezer outside of the house (cut a hole in the wall) then you would be able to cool the room down. But then all you would have is a not-as-effective air conditioner, and you might as well just buy a window A/C for a couple hundred and get a lot more efficient cooling out of it.

Possible idea (1)

DeltaStorm (118517) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709490)

If the room is on an outside wall, simply closing the heat register in the room should keep it quite a bit cooler. This will also work for interior rooms, but not as much.

electricity (4, Informative)

mlanett (25627) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709491)

Something to consider: in California right now, electricity runs $0.10 to $0.25 per kw/hour. That means the cost per 100 watts of 24/7 computer equipment is between $7 and $23 per month. Easy ouch.

Next, don't be a cooling idiot. If it's cold outside and your server room is hot, use the server room to warm the rest of the house. Air circulation. Central placement of server room in basement.

Re:electricity (3)

Glytch (4881) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709534)

Something to consider: He's not in California. Besides, electricity up here in Canada is pretty cheap.

Re:electricity (-1)

ArchieBunker (132337) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709540)

Because no one lives there.

Re:electricity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2709562)

electricity up here in Canada is pretty cheap

You sure it's going to stay that way? California is importing it from you guys now...

Re:electricity (4, Insightful)

J.C.B. (141141) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709568)

There's still no reason to waste it. He lives in Canada, I live in North Dakota, I could use the heat put out by a server room during the winter. It would sure save on heating.

Re:electricity (2)

Glytch (4881) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709610)

True, I should have been more tactful.

Use it to heat the house. (1)

Irvu (248207) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709493)

This depends upon the house and your price range but why not use the "waste heat." If you can setup the hvac to vent from the outside into that room and then from there into the rest of the house you can help to keep the whole place warm. Depending upon the setup this may make an economical dent in the heating bills.

If that doesn't work, make the room into a sauna ;)

vents (0, Redundant)

willum448 (461084) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709495)

Why not just vent the heat from the server room to the rest of the hose, warming the house as well as cooling the server room. Of course, this is only a good solution for the winter. In the summer, I would just us the good old AC.

Couple of ways... (2, Informative)

bteeter (25807) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709500)

There are a few of ways to do it:

1) Shut off the incoming heating vents to the room in the Winter. Then reopen them in the summer when you don't heat your house, or when you have the AC on.

2) Make sure any outgoing vents are open so that air from the room is circulated out.

3) Fans in the window (in case the room really gets hot.)

4) Thermostat controlled fans or AC unit in the window.

Take care,

Brian
--
We are almost out of Free Palm Pilots... [assortedinternet.com]
--

Air conditioning? (1)

Skuld-Chan (302449) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709502)

Surely you've heard of this :). We use this at the office. Keeps the machine room (two big rooms) really nice and cool (around 69 deg F) and the rest of the office floor is heated via central heating and stays around 71 deg F.

HELLO AND FUCK YOU TO ROB MALDA! (-1)

cmdr_shithead (527909) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709503)

goat!

Bathroom (3, Troll)

KlomDark (6370) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709505)

Even better, put it in the bathroom, put your servers in the shower and just run water on them. Having them in that bathroom makes it easier to surf for pr0n while on the hopper.

Serious answer (1)

KlomDark (6370) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709542)

I hope you weren't asking for any serious answers to this question. Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer.

Come on people, let's have fun with this one and just come up with the most retarded answers we can come up with. :)

Re:Serious answer (4, Interesting)

Splat (9175) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709600)

I am dead serious when I tell you know I know two people who run a very successful consulting firm around my ara who have their servers in a bathroom inside their house. When I asked them why they put them there, the answer was "We don't use this bathroom, it's in the middle of the house, and it's the most secure since it has no windows in it."

Ask serious questions, get slightly stupid answers :)

Kuro5hin is back! (0, Offtopic)

wiredog (43288) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709506)

Kudos to Rusty and the gang.

I've submitted this as a story. Hope Taco et al think it's of interest.

Re:Kuro5hin is back! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2709523)

Damn it. My DNS is out of date. What's the new IP?

Re:Kuro5hin is back! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2709560)

It's 209.242.124.241.

207.99.115.72 (0, Troll)

wiredog (43288) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709561)

207.99.115.72

Re:207.99.115.72 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2709629)

Nope, still getting the same page. Bit of a premature announcement, eh?

Re:Kuro5hin is back! (0, Offtopic)

torgosan (141603) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709546)

Maybe it will be of interest when K5 is really back up...seems some issues remain to be resolved.

Re:Kuro5hin is back down! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2709624)

Fuck Kuro5hin. Rusty couldn't find his ass with both hands, even if his fingers were flashlights.

His inability to keep a simple website up and running is matched only by Slashdot's keystone coplike admins.

Home Snotting Rooms? (-1)

The WIPO Troll (267426) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709509)

By The WIPO Troll [slashdot.org] , $Revision: 1.13 $

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You have been receiving email from a certain
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Slashdot all day), he roams through the Slashdot database, penis in hand, looking for people who might enjoy engaging in homosexual orgies with him. How he determines this is anyone's guess; but if you have a homosexual-sounding nickname, or a nick with the letter P or E in it, you're in trouble.
And this time, he found
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VA Software [yahoo.com] . CmdrTaco's "Commander" is, of course, his penis -- a small, withered little thing that lives in his pants and only comes out in the presence of other male geeks or at the beck and call of CmdrTaco's own lubed-up right hand. His "Taco bells" are the shriveled testicles that droop beneath his Commander, and his "Taco sauce" is his thick, gooey semen. It should be more than obvious to you now what he means if he asked you to "ring his Taco bells" or "taste his gourmet Taco sauce."
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Hopefully.
You most likely forgot to uncheck the "Willing to Taco-snot" checkbox in your account preferences. CmdrTaco has probably already got the hots for your wad, and he's probably already been lurking outside your bathroom window for weeks with a camera, some tissues and lube. There's no escaping a geek in heat, so it's probably too late for you, but you can possibly rectify this situation. To remove yourself from CmdrTaco's sights, log into your Slashdot account, go to your user page, click on
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If you indulge him in a Taco-snot or two, he
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Have you ever been Taco-Snotted?

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CmdrTaco invited several of his Open Source (or rather, "Open Sauce" -- man sauce) buddies over to continue the twisted snotfest. Linux Torvalds
raped my ass [yahoo.com] with his "monolithic kernel [yahoo.com] ," and Anal Cox used his "network stack" in a multitude of unspeakable ways on and in every orifice in my defenseless body. Michael was there in his leather Nazi uniform, caning my ass with a bamboo pole and ranting about "all those Censorware freaks out to get him."
How did you finally escape, you ask? After about 16 hours of countless homosexual atrocities perpetrated against my restrained body, they all finally went to sleep on top of me, sweat-soaked and exhausted. I was left there, covered in bubbly, translucent jizz-snot, chained to the bed, with half a dozen fat, pasty-white fags lying around and on top of me. Fortunately the spooge coating my flesh worked wonderfully as a lubricant; I was able to squirm my way out of the handcuffs and slip out the back door. I'm just glad I survived the ordeal. These geeks had a lot of built-up spunk in their wads -- I could've easily been drowned!

That's horrible. Does "Taco-snotting" have anything to do with CmdrTaco's "special taco"?

No, that's a different disgusting perversion CmdrTaco indulges himself in. CmdrTaco is usually not satisfied with merely snotting your own jizz back onto your face, he most often enjoys involving his own bodily fluids in his twisted games.
WeatherTroll [slashdot.org] has spent some time trying to educate the Slashdot readership about this vile practice (emphasis added):
You may be wondering what CmdrTaco's "special taco" is. You will be wishing that you hadn't been wondering after you finish reading this post. To make his "special taco", CmdrTaco takes a taco shell and
shits on it. He then adds lettuce, jacks off on the taco, and adds a compound to make the person who eats the taco unconscious. Of course, the compound does not make the person unconscious until the taco is fully eaten. Thus CmdrTaco force-feeds the taco to the unsuspecting victim.
After the victim is unconscious, he is held against his will and used for CmdrTaco's nefarious sexual purposes. This includes shoving taco shells up the victim's ass, Taco-snotting, and getting Jon Katz involved.
Completely different, yet no less revolting. It should be clear to you now that CmdrTaco is a very, very sick individual, as are most of the Slashdot editors.

Does Jon Katz get involved in any of this? I thought he was a pædophile, not a homosexual.

Actually, Jon Katz is a homosexual pædophile. He's also a coprophiliac, and, many suspect, a zophile. Jon Katz is somewhat of a loner and doesn't involve himself in circle-snots. Mr. Katz usually engages in a game called "
Katz juicy-douching [aol.com] " with his harem of little-boy slaves: a vile practice which involves administering an enema to himself of the little boy's urine (forced out of them with a pair of pliers), spooging the vile muck from his ass back into the enema bag, then squirting and slathering the goo all over himself, and the little boy's chained-up and naked bodies. If he's in the mood, he will sometimes skip refilling the enema bag and just squirt it from his ass [yahoo.com] onto his boys. Unwilling boys are further tortured with the pliers until they comply and allow Mr. Katz to juicy-douche them for the rest of their lives.
As I already said, Mr. Katz is
also a zophile. As if the sexual escapades with the helpless little boys aren't enough, Jon usually enjoys his juicy-douches best when his penis is firmly planted in a female goat's anus [yahoo.com] . He is also rumoured to get off on watching his little boys eat the goat's small, bean-like turds.

...Are you getting hard writing this?

Why, yes. :) Join me in a WIPO-snot?

No, thanks. I'm already CmdrTaco's boi toi.

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    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.15 7:05 (#2707493 [slashdot.org] )

    Has this been submitted to linuxdoc.org yet?

  2. Re:Bye bye Windows! (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.15 5:12 (#2707245 [slashdot.org] )

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  3. Re:That's my department, boy! (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward (actually afree87 [slashdot.org] ) on 2001.12.15 2:51 (#2706921 [slashdot.org] )

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  4. Re:CmdrTaco BANNED FOR LIFE from Taco Bell!!!!!! (Score:-1)
    by WeatherTroll [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.15 2:48 (#2706907 [slashdot.org] )

    CmdrTaco only goes to Taco Bell to get their hot sauce, and to solicit hot sauce enemas from underage male employees. He makes his own tacos.

  5. Re:Snottle OSnotX, BSnotD, and Snottan Snottard (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward (actually afree87 [slashdot.org] ) on 2001.12.15 2:47 (#2706900 [slashdot.org] )

    We love you, WipoTroll! We want you to snot us, WipoTroll!

  6. Re:Bye bye Windows! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.15 1:35 (#2706675 [slashdot.org] )

    I want some Taco-snot! Where can I get some?

  7. Re:Bye bye Windows! (Score:-1)
    by JonKatz on [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.15 0:29 (#2706495 [slashdot.org] )

    Please, please, please Taco-snot me. I know I would love it almost as much as fucking young boys. Pleadingly, JonKatz

  8. Important Information For Slashdot Users (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.14 3:09 (#2702660 [slashdot.org] )

    It has recently come to my attention that the entire Slashdot crew engage in homosexual activities. CmdrTaco [cmdrtaco.net] is one such person, and has dedicated his life to spreading the ideals of Taco-Snotting while enjoying the benefits of it. For further information on Taco-Snotting please refer to George WIPO Bush's Taco-Snotting FAQ which can be easily found by searching for the Slashdot journal of George WIPO Bush or by looking in the comments of Slashdot articles (Usually modded -1).

    It has also come to my attention that CmdrTaco [cmdrtaco.net] has other interests besides homosexuality (Believe it or not). One such interest includes a budding music career with a song titled "Gaping Anus". The details are sketchy on this topic but I [geocities.com] do know that besides the lead vocals of CmdrTaco [cmdrtaco.net] , it includes Timothy and CowboyNeal (Also members of the Slashdot crew). There has been no release date set for this album or which record label it will be produced under. I [geocities.com] believe CmdrTaco [cmdrtaco.net] is planning to set up his own label, Taco-Snotting Records [riaa.com] , with the intention of releasing [amazon.com] the song on a cd-single with various remixes as soon as possible (To catch the current popularity of the Taco-Snotting fad). On a side note, I [geocities.com] would not believe this fad will ever wear out (like a Snotted-out-geek); I [geocities.com] am sorry to say Taco-Snotting is here to stay :-(. Various remixes of Gaping Anus will include: "Extra Jizz", "Snot Me Baby One More Time", "www.Goatse.cx" [goatse.cx] , and "Once You Taco-Snot, You Can't Stop". I [geocities.com] am sure many, many, more are sure to come. I [geocities.com] predict this album will be a very hot seller this holiday season, especially with in or out of closet homosexuals, and with those who have no self-respect (Readers of Slashdot).

    Through a good, non-homosexual friend of mine, I [geocities.com] have recieved a copy of the lyrics to the Gaping Anus musical composition. Included after the lyrics is a very speical tribute written by yours truely. Perhaps CmdrTaco [cmdrtaco.net] will ask me to provide the vocals. Please feel free to read the lyrics and post your comments and disgust. E-mail CmdrTaco with this disgust also.

    BTW, please do not reply with the intention of flaming me because the lyrics are a rip-off of Insane Clown Posse's [insaneclownposse.com] "Slim Anus" [realjuggalos.com] . For more information on ICP and Slim Anus refer here [planet-eminem.com] and here [mp3mtv.com] . CmdrTaco [cmdrtaco.net] is the author of this fine musical work and not me [geocities.com] . So, it is obviously he who has ripped off ICP and not me [geocities.com] . Thank you.

    Read the rest of this shit... [slashdot.org]

  9. Re:Snotback: Snotto, Snotz, Snottion (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.14 2:44 (#2702581 [slashdot.org] )

    you know, every time i read this i want to punch you more and more. the taco snotting thing is old, lame, boring, and over done. it never was remotely funny or good though. it sounds like a 10th grader wrote it too. so please, go play in traffic or shut the fuck up so real trolls can post.

  10. Re:Italics are yummy! (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Super Mario Troll [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.14 2:33 (#2702535 [slashdot.org] )

    Keep up the good work! Educate the masses to the dangers of Taco-Snotting!

    It's a me, the Super Mario Troll!
    Would you like to see my gaping troll anus [goatse.cx]
  11. Re:Italics are yummy! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.14 1:41 (#2702370 [slashdot.org] )

    WIPO - Man you trolls are shit compared to Egg Trolls troll's. Egg Man is just so much more original.

  12. Re:The WIPO Troll Announces Portable Snotbox (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.07 7:58 (#2669658 [slashdot.org] )

    That leaky sound you hear is CmdrTaco pissing himself after seeing this.

    Slashdot trolling just got a whole lot easier...

    http://www.geocities.com/frostpist/

    Spread the word!

  13. Re:The WIPO Troll Announces Portable Snotbox (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.07 5:48 (#2669422 [slashdot.org] )

    Q: Is CmdrTaco gay?

    A: He Mos' certainly is!

  14. Re:The WIPO Troll Announces Portable Snotbox (Score:-1)
    by GaylordFucker [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.07 5:39 (#2669394 [slashdot.org] )

    not to mention... The WIPO Troll used himself as a test subject to try out the portable snotbox... i await your results and hope your product gets approved...

    Regards,
    Gay

    Get that rats nest off your head, you numbskull -- Wesley Willis

  15. Re:Portable Snotcube! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.07 3:58 (#2669117 [slashdot.org] )

    stfu. no one really cares about your lame little "troll". make some new material (not that anything you've ever said is worth a damn..)

  16. Re:Yum yum taco-snotting! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.02 22:15 (#2644499 [slashdot.org] )

    Dear SLASH crew - this post makes it clear why you need to add a new category - "tell it like it is (+1)"

  17. This is getting old (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.02 20:14 (#2644227 [slashdot.org] )

    Hey dicksuck, why don't you come up with new troll material? Everyone has seen the tacosnotting 100 times already. Fuckwit. Assholage. Gay. Lick my anal nectar.

  18. Fucking hilarious too bad it didnt get a 5:Funny (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.02 19:01 (#2644105 [slashdot.org] )

    this is good shit man

  19. Re:Taco-snotting@Home! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Dark_Cobra87 [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.01 23:03 (#2642180 [slashdot.org] )

    Oops, forgot to check that Taco-snot option...

  20. Re:Fuck Linux! Fuck him hard! (Score:-1)
    by Fecal Troll Matter [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.01 20:55 (#2641791 [slashdot.org] )

    Mmmmmmm, Taco Sauce... [galeon.com]

    Sig (appended to the end of comments you post, 120 chars)

  21. Look (Score:-1)
    by ArchieBunker [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.01 20:19 (#2641679 [slashdot.org] )

    I love trolling but this shit is getting old, fast. At least start mixing them up a little bit. How about the 'How OSM was Freed' series?

    http://www.naawp.org/

  22. Re:Congratulations! You have been WIPO'd!! (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.01 8:37 (#2640602 [slashdot.org] )

    Stop posting this! I've got hangover and Taco Snotting doesn't make me feel any better.

    I'm really glad that Taco Snotting is illegal here in Europe.

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Copyright © 2001
The WIPO Troll [slashdot.org] . Verbatim crapflooding of this document is permitted in any medium, provided this copyright notice is preserved, and next time you take a dump, you think of the WIPO Troll and all he's done to make Slashdot a better place.

Use air vents (1)

james_moriarty (114305) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709512)

My server lives in a small closet in my Toronto appartment. I haven't bothered ventilating yet because it seems OK during the winter. But last summer, the hard drive died.. (I should probably fix that this summer. :)

I think the easiest solution for you is to make sure the room is well ventilated with the rest of the house. In the winter, this will contribute to the heat in the house (and the furnace won't turn on as much) and in the summer, the air coniditioner will eventually pump the heat outside (if you have one). Mind you, if you have AC, you might get away without ventilation.

Good luck, I hope everything goes smoothly!

without opening a window (2)

John Hasler (414242) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709514)

Why not? Install a louvered thermostatically controlled exhaust fan and provide a louvered intake opening a few feet away. You want hinged louvers that close by gravity and are pushed open by the air from the fan.

It's a bit unorthodox but... (3, Funny)

Kirkoff (143587) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709519)

Start with two racks, fill them with servers, Put the towers in the middle. Now, stuff those in to a small closet. You're running these all a bit OC'd, right? Great, now got to the store and pick up a product called "Cake Mix." Follow the directions on the box. It will likley need milk, water, and eggs. Put this solution in a pan and then you've got an oven that can play quake.

Re:It's a bit unorthodox but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2709627)

Mod this funny shit up!

hmmm (2)

nomadic (141991) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709520)

Why not just spread everything around? That way heat won't build up in a single room.

Use a window air conditioner... (1)

jhunsake (81920) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709521)

shouldn't be too expensive...

First, make sure that's where you drop the line. (2, Interesting)

bhsx (458600) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709524)

You'll definately want your connection dropped to that room, that's my first suggestion, or you'll go nuts later and kick yourself forever. Depending on the number of 1/2U systems you'll be using, a short stack can be easily hidden in a custom made (well-ventilated) box in the corner, complete with slide out racks(think drawers). I assume you'd also have at least one more workstation in this room, prolly more than that by the sounds of it, for lan gaming when friends come over and such (as you probably don't want to leave them alone in your daughters room while you frag them from your cushy den:). What I would do is find a nice counter-top that you like and build a wrap-around counter on two of the walls, meeting at a corner; this leaves plenty of center room space for big-leather-rolly-chairs-wars. You can easily hide all the towers, UPSs and cables under the counter, leaving tons of leg room, with everything else up top(obviously). I cool mine(let's just say I hear what you're asking) with an hotel wall-mount AC, which I picked up cheap from a place that was about to be torn down, YMMV.
Plug everything in and invite the neighbors, cheers.

Heat, Noise Issues (2, Insightful)

rmckeethen (130580) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709532)

Personally, I've got my boxen sitting within inches of the furnace and I've had them there for months without a problem. I live in Seattle, about 125 miles from the Canadian border so the climate is somewhat similar. Unless your buddy is looking at putting in loads of servers and other equipment I can't imagine that you'd have a problem. If you really want to 'do it right' you can usually get most manufacturers to give you the heat output rates for their equipment in BTUs per hour. Add all the rates together then you'll have an idea of how bad things are likely to get. I would imagine you'd have more problems with too much heat then not enough; it might not be a bad idea to check the room where the rack is going to go and verify that it has adequate ventilation to carry the heat load. Stick a wall-mounted thermometer in and see how it goes over time.

One thing that you should really think about with rack equipment is the noise level. Manufacturers of rack-mounted equipment just love to shove lots and lots of fans in the backsides of their boxes; this tends to make a great deal of unwanted noise. Unless the plan is to have all this stuff in a separate room where no one is going to be in you might want to consider spending the extra money and get a glass or plastic enclosed rack. It costs more but hey, it definitely has the cool factor covered.

Hmm... (1)

The Great Wakka (319389) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709536)

Maybe you could build in a basement, and then build the roof of that room out of metal. The heat would be used to heat the rest of the house; and it would keep the room (relativley) cool. Barring that, a BIG fan might help also.

House Wiring (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2709537)

My house is about 7000 Square Feet, I have about 10 network drops in the whole house. one in my moms office, family room, dining room, kitchen, brothers room, a few in my computer room for my main system and my SGI Indigo2. anyways all the wires run downstairs into my basement to my 28 Port switch (50 bucks off ebay). I have no protection for it. it is just sitting in a damp basement and it seems to run fine.. it has been for months. it is a rackmount switch so I have it mounted on the studs in the wall.

Multi-zone Heating/Cooling... (5, Informative)

A Commentor (459578) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709538)

Why didn't you just ask a local heating/cooling company? There several ways to handle it... depending on the size of the house, you can have multiple systems, or have dampers in the the ventilation system that can control the air flow to each rooms (with multiple thermostats).

Window AC Unit (1)

Kirkoff (143587) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709539)

I lived in Michigan, and Canada is (almost all) north of Michigan so I'd say that you really don't need to worry in the winter. One day I almost considered writing a program to check a thermal censor and turn up the processor on the computer/turn on the other computer/moniter/etc to increase the heat in the room. If you give it a window the heat will probably escape well enough without being opened plus as has been said 200 times already it'll help heat your home.

The summer is the challange. Since you have a window, a window AC unit may be a good match. You can pick one up for probably something like $250/US at a Zellor's or Walmart or wherever. If it's a speced for a room a bit bigger than the one the computers are in, then it'll take care of the room no problem, especially if you've got central air.

--Josh

Re:Window AC Unit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2709571)

We must stop people from seeing thermals.

Censor them, NOW

Sorry, thats the best i could come up with.

Get a really big fridge (1)

moosesocks (264553) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709541)

Since this is a new house, why don't you just get a REALLY BIG fridge.

Ironically, several overclockers I know have taken this approach... I forget how they solved the humidity problem, though...

Re:Get a really big fridge (1)

npietraniec (519210) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709579)

Humidity won't be a problem if you keep the door closed. It's when you open and the cold air hits the warm air do you get condensation.

Re:Get a really big fridge (1)

TACD (514008) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709590)

What you often find in boxes / other items in shops are small bags labeled 'Silica gel - dessicant: DO NOT EAT'. I can't imagine it would be too hard to get hold of alrge quantities of this stuff.

How often it needs replacing is anybody's guess.

Re:Get a really big fridge (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2709615)

silica gel coagulates when saturated with water, when dry it's a fine powder which can damage your lungs if you breath it in

How many servers? What volume room? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2709544)

What's the power consumption of your computers? What's the heat generation? How often will they be running? Where, geographically, are you building this? What's the mean annual cooling and heating degree days for that location? How well insulated will the room be? How much money do you have to spend?

There's a lot of variables here. Give us more information. But, if you're going to be running more than about 5 computers, then you'll need A/C. Less than that, just leave the door open.

No, no, no! (5, Funny)

Cally (10873) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709545)

You don't want a carefully planned, neatly laid-out NoC with aircon, swivel chairs, subdued lighting etc. A good comfy ops room shoudl grow organically over the years.

You want a cramped, untidy little room, with a stack of buzzing boxen to the left (from the bottom: OpenBSD, Linux, Cisco IOS, topped off with an old 15" monitor). No KVM - that's cheating; you have to scrabble around amongst the spaghetti cabling to switch the monitor to another box. Keep spare kbd's, mice etc draped over the monitor or propped against the wall when not in use; with the lights off, those three extra LEDs on the keyboard add to the girlfriend-impressing "Starship Enterprise" look'n'feel. To the right, balanced on top of the tower system housing your main workstation, you want an old analogue modem, and a desktop switch of some sort. Make sure the CAT5 from the rest of the house terminates just behind this switch - that way you get to mix the network cables up with the PSU, parallel cable->backup device, serial extenstions, phone plug-thrus etc. Top with stacks of unread magazines - New Scientist, Perl Journal etc - a couple of rows of books (remember to break the O'Reilly hegemondy with a carefully placed K&R, the Conway book, perhaps something on OO, SQL, firewalls, IDS and network security. Season with a sprinkling of "carefully filed" hardcopies of whitepapers, Slashdot stories, tech specs, man pages, discussions on the use of IGMP in scanning.

Remember to get the carpet professionally steam-cleaned once or twice a year. Remember to empty the waste basket and remove uneaten food and drink containers.

Cover the walls in Dilbert cartoons, printouts of UserFriendly, inadvertently amusing advertising materials, color "maps of the internet", and the SANS "Network Security Roadmap" poster (change every six months!)


My personal shelter from the world, which looks just like this of course, copes with (a) having no radiators (or windows) by being right in the core of the building, so avoiding getting too hot in summer; and (b) avoiding getting too cold in winter (it's below zero outside, here in the UK at present) by housing the central heating boiler.


At one point I seriously contemplated moving a campbed in here to save rent (I'm unemployed, & live in a shared house.) But my girlfriend said she'd cut my balls off, and then leave me. So that was that :)

cooling (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2709547)

put it in the basement and route a duct to cool it. shouldent be too hard.. but you guy's worry about cooling too much. my computer has been on for months straight, the damn heat sinc is glowing (not really) but it is very hot and this system is running fine. but I just want this duron 700 to die so I have an excuse to get a Athalon XP but no matter what I do, even running it without the fan on wont kill the beast.

What I did... (1)

thogard (43403) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709550)

I built a small room in my parents attic which is in Texas (as in "Texas - it isn't hell but you can see the gates from here)

The room gets quit warm so I insulated it, and ran an air conditioning duct to it along with a return duct. It stays quite cool durring the summer and durring the winter, provides heat back to the main house when the A/c fan is on. If I had much in there, I would consider getting a small window A/c unit to ensure it stayed cool. just keep in mind where the condensation is going to go.

the real issue here (1)

Gavitron_zero (544106) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709552)

The real issue isn't cooling during the cold canadian winters, it's cooling during the blistering canadian summers( man it gets hot here).

You're best bet is to have some ceiling mounted A/c units for summer, and just open a window in the winter. if you have 2 windows in the room, then you're set.

solution (2, Interesting)

discogravy (455376) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709553)

build a simple wooden shack adjecent to the house, with no insulation of any kind. put everything there. run wires from that shack to inside the house (maybe through a window that's been packed with some insulation).

ideally, you'd want everything outside for temperature reasons during the winter, but you'd probably have to cool them in the summer and you would still have to shield them from the elements during harsh winters -- hence, a shack.

Maybe I'm not a geek after all (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2709558)

How many people actually have rack mounted servers for home use? A cluster I can see, but racks aren't cheap.

Try this (1)

Chaos1 (466833) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709565)

Since you're doing all this wiring, just install some large A/C units and wire them into your nieghbors outlet. To make them less suspicious get a tin box and label it with your local Electric Company's logo.

use the heat (1)

lowtekneq (469145) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709570)

what if you took the heat generated by the room an suck it into the main vent in the winter (this will heat the rest of the house) and blow the cold a/c air into the room in the summer. This would work very well if the room/closet is very high and narrow. You could also make all the boxes blow air to a back wall and 1 or 2 vents back there.

Don't worry, be happy... (3, Redundant)

BrK (39585) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709573)

When it comes right down to it, it's really not that much of an issue.


I'm on my 3rd house, which like the previous ones is automated and has several servers, switches, UPSs, etc running 24/7. The truth is that there is not *that* much excess heat generated in a typical scenario. Sure, you can pile up lots of servers to do odd jobs, just to try and make it look like some mini server-room, but that's hardly cost effective, or efficient.


Without knowing the size of the room, the approximate BTU output of the machines and devices, and the heat loss factors of the room, nobody can *really* make any informed decisions.


My sever room and wiring closet is about 6' x 12', which was also about the size of my previous room. I don't do anything special to control airflow or temp. I *do* have a temp sensor in there to monitor things, just in case, but I've found that it tends to stay at about 65F in the winter and about 77F in the summer. Hardly worth spending tons of money to try and regulate the temperature better, I'd rather invest in another lighting controller or touchscreen :)

Noble principles but... (5, Funny)

QuickFox (311231) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709577)

(without opening a window)

What's wrong with opening a window? I know, I know, everybody here loves Linux, but aren't you getting carried away here?

Give a man a fish and he eats for one day. Teach him how to fish, and though he'll eat for a lifetime, he'll call you a miser for not giving him your fish.

Home computer room (0)

Thaidog (235587) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709578)

We have a room set up as a "computer room"... Three computers on a lan. We are luck in the fact that the house is wired with rj-45 so making the entire house into one network for every room will not be a problem. Just add a hub outside at the phone connection box, add in a power cable for the hub and presto.

It's all about design (5, Interesting)

clark625 (308380) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709581)

A good home server room is just as good as the design behind it. That's probably why it's an AskSlashdot question. An apt one, too.
In my home, I set up my server room before we even officially moved in. I can get pics if people desire, but I'll give the gist here.

First, it needs to be in the basement. Some people think it's only a heat issue, but the reality is that server rooms are noisy. I've only got four machines whirring about, and that alone is enough to sound like a wind tunnel.

Second, build shelving such that you can walk around it and access equipment from the rear. How many tower cases have RJ-45 connectors on the front side? Didn't think so. I built shelving out of 2x4's, 3/4" plywood, lag bolts, and drywall screws. Some day I'll get around to putting formica all over everything (it's not that expensive and easy to do). Everything is strong enough to hold me jumping up and down without any wiggle.

Third, carefully design how your wires are going to run. Raceways are a great idea, though you can also go the cheap route and use ziptie loops that have screw holes. Also, network wires should not be in the same raceway (and not parallel) to power cables.

Finally, place your equipment. Servers should be placed where they most make sense, e.g. don't put the internal file server next to the router and the public webserver on the other end. People should get a "feeling" of what your machine's duties are visually. Also, keep networking gear all in the same area--hubs, switches, and even modems and your incoming ISP equipment. That's also the best place for your router.

In addition, consider a KVM. They really are helpful, and cut down a lot on heat (and space needs). Some even have remote extenders--with mine I can work on any machine in my server room from my desktop in my office area. Definitely beats working in the wind tunnel.

Insulation, or lack thereof (2, Interesting)

ADRA (37398) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709594)

I have three computers living in a very tiny closet, which would normally kill all three. The trick I used was that the closet has a removable insulated panel which leads to a non-insulated crawl space. By leaving the panel open by varying degrees I can control the temperature in the closet to reasonable while not freezing my ass off outside of it.

Another solution if you don't ned physical access, just leave them in an uninsolated room and close the door. Warning though, watch out for the bugs ;-)

Use The Heater, and a Few Other (Odd) Ideas (4, Insightful)

MBCook (132727) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709603)

Why not run ducts behind all the computers and have those ducts be the intake from outside for the heater? That way, the air comes in cold, get's warmed up (so your heater doesn't have to do as much) and cools the computers/room (serving it's purpose), then it's business as usual.

Another suggestion is that when I lived in Salt Lake City our house had water heating. What if you ran pipes behind the computers with fins on the pipes (like a heatsink) then that water could go into the hot water heater. Once again, saving you some money.

Where is the room located physically? Don't forget that an underground external room (as opposed to a room in the middle of the house) will be cooler.

Being true geeks, you're probably not opposed to spending some moolah on this. What about doing something like this [freeserve.co.uk] guy did? If you buried a few large tanks deep the ground deep so it's below the frost line, you'd get cold water for free. Then just hook all you're PCs into water cooling. Have them all draw from the same spot, and then all empty back in. That way you get free cooling and it'd be quiet. If you look back at my earlier suggestion involving the water heater, you'd be all set.

Heat Exchangers (1)

Trevelyan (535381) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709606)

You could use heat exchangers, which is basically a nifty bit of pluming or maybe some h/w.
but basically cold does not exist (scientifically) it is mearly a lack of heat. all you have to do is remove the heat from the room to heat the house with, taking heat from then room (ie takes energy out) would make it cold =)

I no guru on whats available, the above came from my physics a-level, and i'm sure some one will point out a mistake and/or expand the idea with more detail

-Trev

Depending on how much money you want to spend..... (1)

synchrostart (93516) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709607)

...on www.bid4assets.com right now a place is dumping datacenter equipment like liebert coolers and UPS systems for crazy cheap!!!! and they come up in onesys twosys all the time on there. the other item for cooling you could get is from a hotel supply place. get one of thier wall mounted AC units. those things can cool a large area. a friend of mine had one in his workroom in his house. it could get downright nipply in there!!!

Snot Server Rooms? (-1)

The WIPO Troll (267426) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709608)

By The WIPO Troll [slashdot.org] , $Revision: 1.13 $

Why have I been receiving emails from some guy called "CmdrTaco," in which he seems to be speaking in some kind of code language?

You have been receiving email from a certain
Robert "CmdrTaco" Malda [cmdrtaco.net] , owner of the popular technology website Slashdot [slashdot.org] . Actually, it's not a very "popular" site in the common sense of the word; the site is rife with pimply, antisocial geeks, zit-faced nerds, dirty GNU hippies [yahoo.com] and communists, and other societal rejects. It's also home to the world's most infamous pædophile ring, the "Slashdot crew."
Whenever CmdrTaco gets bored (and who wouldn't, running a site like
Slashdot all day), he roams through the Slashdot database, penis in hand, looking for people who might enjoy engaging in homosexual orgies with him. How he determines this is anyone's guess; but if you have a homosexual-sounding nickname, or a nick with the letter P or E in it, you're in trouble.
And this time, he found
you. Lucky you.
CmdrTaco's code language is relatively easy to decipher. He prefers to speak in thinly-veiled sexual innuendo to evade the watchful (but relatively stupid) eye of Slashdot's parent corporation,
VA Software [yahoo.com] . CmdrTaco's "Commander" is, of course, his penis -- a small, withered little thing that lives in his pants and only comes out in the presence of other male geeks or at the beck and call of CmdrTaco's own lubed-up right hand. His "Taco bells" are the shriveled testicles that droop beneath his Commander, and his "Taco sauce" is his thick, gooey semen. It should be more than obvious to you now what he means if he asked you to "ring his Taco bells" or "taste his gourmet Taco sauce."
Lastly, there is the practice he refers to as "Taco-snotting" and the more revolting "circle-snot."

Good Lord. What is "Taco-snotting?"

"Taco-snotting" is the term used by CmdrTaco to refer to an act of fellating a homosexual man (or unwilling heterosexual; CmdrTaco is rumoured to prefer rape), then blowing the semen out his nose onto the face and body of his partner or victim. Naturally, a long, bubbly stream of milky-white semen is
left on CmdrTaco's face [yahoo.com] , dribbling out of his nose and down his cheek: hence the term, "Taco-snotting."
A "circle-snot" is a Taco-snotting
circle-jerk, another practice common among the Slashdot crew. CmdrTaco, CowboiKneel [aol.com] , and Homos get together and snot each other with their gooey, sticky cum -- spooging their jizz-snot all over each other's faces and pasty, white bodies, until they're covered head to toe with their own and each other's man juice. This vile ritual can go on for hours. For the homosexual penetration that follows this lengthy foreplay, Roblowme is usually there to provide plenty of anal lubricant; he owns a limo service and has ample supplies of motor oil and axle grease ready to go.
To complete this perverted orgy, fellow geeks Michael, Timothy, and Jamie will usually join in, dressed in tight leather mock-S.S. uniforms, jack boots, and leather gloves. The whole group then proceeds to snot each other's spunk and whip each other's pudgy asses with riding crops and chains until their pale, white geek bodies are exhausted and soaked in stinking sweat from the hours of passionate, homosexual revelry.

Ewwwwww. So, can I stop receiving these emails?

Hopefully.
You most likely forgot to uncheck the "Willing to Taco-snot" checkbox in your account preferences. CmdrTaco has probably already got the hots for your wad, and he's probably already been lurking outside your bathroom window for weeks with a camera, some tissues and lube. There's no escaping a geek in heat, so it's probably too late for you, but you can possibly rectify this situation. To remove yourself from CmdrTaco's sights, log into your Slashdot account, go to your user page, click on
Messages, and uncheck the box next to "Willing to Taco-snot." Maybe he'll ignore you. Probably not.

I can't stop receiving these emails from CmdrTaco!?

If you indulge him in a Taco-snot or two, he
might leave you alone. You might also want to look into mail filtering, restraining orders, or purchasing a heavy, blunt object capable of warding off rampaging homosexual geeks in heat. Trust me, when they charge... oh, the humanity. If he gets you, and you let him Taco-snot you, you will most likely end up tied up in his basement to be used as his sex slave for the rest of your life (or until he accidentally drowns you in spunk in a circle-snot).

Have you ever been Taco-Snotted?

Unfortunately, yes. I first met CmdrTaco at an
Open Source Convention [yahoo.com] . He invited me back to his room for a game of Quake and some "gourmet Tacos," but when I got there, he jumped me and tied me to his bed, stripping me. After taking his "Commander" out of his pants, Mr. Taco made me suck the withered thing six times. He then performed his vile Taco-snotting ritual on me three times over the next two hours, bringing me to orgasm after sweaty, mind-numbing orgasm... then he snotted my own milky-white jizz back onto my face, into my mouth, then again on my exposed belly.
CmdrTaco invited several of his Open Source (or rather, "Open Sauce" -- man sauce) buddies over to continue the twisted snotfest. Linux Torvalds
raped my ass [yahoo.com] with his "monolithic kernel [yahoo.com] ," and Anal Cox used his "network stack" in a multitude of unspeakable ways on and in every orifice in my defenseless body. Michael was there in his leather Nazi uniform, caning my ass with a bamboo pole and ranting about "all those Censorware freaks out to get him."
How did you finally escape, you ask? After about 16 hours of countless homosexual atrocities perpetrated against my restrained body, they all finally went to sleep on top of me, sweat-soaked and exhausted. I was left there, covered in bubbly, translucent jizz-snot, chained to the bed, with half a dozen fat, pasty-white fags lying around and on top of me. Fortunately the spooge coating my flesh worked wonderfully as a lubricant; I was able to squirm my way out of the handcuffs and slip out the back door. I'm just glad I survived the ordeal. These geeks had a lot of built-up spunk in their wads -- I could've easily been drowned!

That's horrible. Does "Taco-snotting" have anything to do with CmdrTaco's "special taco"?

No, that's a different disgusting perversion CmdrTaco indulges himself in. CmdrTaco is usually not satisfied with merely snotting your own jizz back onto your face, he most often enjoys involving his own bodily fluids in his twisted games.
WeatherTroll [slashdot.org] has spent some time trying to educate the Slashdot readership about this vile practice (emphasis added):
You may be wondering what CmdrTaco's "special taco" is. You will be wishing that you hadn't been wondering after you finish reading this post. To make his "special taco", CmdrTaco takes a taco shell and
shits on it. He then adds lettuce, jacks off on the taco, and adds a compound to make the person who eats the taco unconscious. Of course, the compound does not make the person unconscious until the taco is fully eaten. Thus CmdrTaco force-feeds the taco to the unsuspecting victim.
After the victim is unconscious, he is held against his will and used for CmdrTaco's nefarious sexual purposes. This includes shoving taco shells up the victim's ass, Taco-snotting, and getting Jon Katz involved.
Completely different, yet no less revolting. It should be clear to you now that CmdrTaco is a very, very sick individual, as are most of the Slashdot editors.

Does Jon Katz get involved in any of this? I thought he was a pædophile, not a homosexual.

Actually, Jon Katz is a homosexual pædophile. He's also a coprophiliac, and, many suspect, a zophile. Jon Katz is somewhat of a loner and doesn't involve himself in circle-snots. Mr. Katz usually engages in a game called "
Katz juicy-douching [aol.com] " with his harem of little-boy slaves: a vile practice which involves administering an enema to himself of the little boy's urine (forced out of them with a pair of pliers), spooging the vile muck from his ass back into the enema bag, then squirting and slathering the goo all over himself, and the little boy's chained-up and naked bodies. If he's in the mood, he will sometimes skip refilling the enema bag and just squirt it from his ass [yahoo.com] onto his boys. Unwilling boys are further tortured with the pliers until they comply and allow Mr. Katz to juicy-douche them for the rest of their lives.
As I already said, Mr. Katz is
also a zophile. As if the sexual escapades with the helpless little boys aren't enough, Jon usually enjoys his juicy-douches best when his penis is firmly planted in a female goat's anus [yahoo.com] . He is also rumoured to get off on watching his little boys eat the goat's small, bean-like turds.

...Are you getting hard writing this?

Why, yes. :) Join me in a WIPO-snot?

No, thanks. I'm already CmdrTaco's boi toi.

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RECENT READER COMMENTS

Once comments have been archived by Slashdot, they're removed from the Official Taco-Snotting FAQ. However much I would like to paste 200k crapfloods into Slashdot, my browser is a piece of shit and won't let me!

  1. Re:Taco-Powered Christmas Snot (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.15 7:05 (#2707493 [slashdot.org] )

    Has this been submitted to linuxdoc.org yet?

  2. Re:Bye bye Windows! (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.15 5:12 (#2707245 [slashdot.org] )

    That may be true, but have you made love to a wombat today?

  3. Re:That's my department, boy! (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward (actually afree87 [slashdot.org] ) on 2001.12.15 2:51 (#2706921 [slashdot.org] )

    Wow, WipoTroll, you really know how to snot! And you can scramble Slashdot's HTML, too! I love boys who do that! Come over to my place sometime!

  4. Re:CmdrTaco BANNED FOR LIFE from Taco Bell!!!!!! (Score:-1)
    by WeatherTroll [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.15 2:48 (#2706907 [slashdot.org] )

    CmdrTaco only goes to Taco Bell to get their hot sauce, and to solicit hot sauce enemas from underage male employees. He makes his own tacos.

  5. Re:Snottle OSnotX, BSnotD, and Snottan Snottard (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward (actually afree87 [slashdot.org] ) on 2001.12.15 2:47 (#2706900 [slashdot.org] )

    We love you, WipoTroll! We want you to snot us, WipoTroll!

  6. Re:Bye bye Windows! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.15 1:35 (#2706675 [slashdot.org] )

    I want some Taco-snot! Where can I get some?

  7. Re:Bye bye Windows! (Score:-1)
    by JonKatz on [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.15 0:29 (#2706495 [slashdot.org] )

    Please, please, please Taco-snot me. I know I would love it almost as much as fucking young boys. Pleadingly, JonKatz

  8. Important Information For Slashdot Users (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.14 3:09 (#2702660 [slashdot.org] )

    It has recently come to my attention that the entire Slashdot crew engage in homosexual activities. CmdrTaco [cmdrtaco.net] is one such person, and has dedicated his life to spreading the ideals of Taco-Snotting while enjoying the benefits of it. For further information on Taco-Snotting please refer to George WIPO Bush's Taco-Snotting FAQ which can be easily found by searching for the Slashdot journal of George WIPO Bush or by looking in the comments of Slashdot articles (Usually modded -1).

    It has also come to my attention that CmdrTaco [cmdrtaco.net] has other interests besides homosexuality (Believe it or not). One such interest includes a budding music career with a song titled "Gaping Anus". The details are sketchy on this topic but I [geocities.com] do know that besides the lead vocals of CmdrTaco [cmdrtaco.net] , it includes Timothy and CowboyNeal (Also members of the Slashdot crew). There has been no release date set for this album or which record label it will be produced under. I [geocities.com] believe CmdrTaco [cmdrtaco.net] is planning to set up his own label, Taco-Snotting Records [riaa.com] , with the intention of releasing [amazon.com] the song on a cd-single with various remixes as soon as possible (To catch the current popularity of the Taco-Snotting fad). On a side note, I [geocities.com] would not believe this fad will ever wear out (like a Snotted-out-geek); I [geocities.com] am sorry to say Taco-Snotting is here to stay :-(. Various remixes of Gaping Anus will include: "Extra Jizz", "Snot Me Baby One More Time", "www.Goatse.cx" [goatse.cx] , and "Once You Taco-Snot, You Can't Stop". I [geocities.com] am sure many, many, more are sure to come. I [geocities.com] predict this album will be a very hot seller this holiday season, especially with in or out of closet homosexuals, and with those who have no self-respect (Readers of Slashdot).

    Through a good, non-homosexual friend of mine, I [geocities.com] have recieved a copy of the lyrics to the Gaping Anus musical composition. Included after the lyrics is a very speical tribute written by yours truely. Perhaps CmdrTaco [cmdrtaco.net] will ask me to provide the vocals. Please feel free to read the lyrics and post your comments and disgust. E-mail CmdrTaco with this disgust also.

    BTW, please do not reply with the intention of flaming me because the lyrics are a rip-off of Insane Clown Posse's [insaneclownposse.com] "Slim Anus" [realjuggalos.com] . For more information on ICP and Slim Anus refer here [planet-eminem.com] and here [mp3mtv.com] . CmdrTaco [cmdrtaco.net] is the author of this fine musical work and not me [geocities.com] . So, it is obviously he who has ripped off ICP and not me [geocities.com] . Thank you.

    Read the rest of this shit... [slashdot.org]

  9. Re:Snotback: Snotto, Snotz, Snottion (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.14 2:44 (#2702581 [slashdot.org] )

    you know, every time i read this i want to punch you more and more. the taco snotting thing is old, lame, boring, and over done. it never was remotely funny or good though. it sounds like a 10th grader wrote it too. so please, go play in traffic or shut the fuck up so real trolls can post.

  10. Re:Italics are yummy! (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Super Mario Troll [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.14 2:33 (#2702535 [slashdot.org] )

    Keep up the good work! Educate the masses to the dangers of Taco-Snotting!

    It's a me, the Super Mario Troll!
    Would you like to see my gaping troll anus [goatse.cx]
  11. Re:Italics are yummy! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.14 1:41 (#2702370 [slashdot.org] )

    WIPO - Man you trolls are shit compared to Egg Trolls troll's. Egg Man is just so much more original.

  12. Re:The WIPO Troll Announces Portable Snotbox (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.07 7:58 (#2669658 [slashdot.org] )

    That leaky sound you hear is CmdrTaco pissing himself after seeing this.

    Slashdot trolling just got a whole lot easier...

    http://www.geocities.com/frostpist/

    Spread the word!

  13. Re:The WIPO Troll Announces Portable Snotbox (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.07 5:48 (#2669422 [slashdot.org] )

    Q: Is CmdrTaco gay?

    A: He Mos' certainly is!

  14. Re:The WIPO Troll Announces Portable Snotbox (Score:-1)
    by GaylordFucker [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.07 5:39 (#2669394 [slashdot.org] )

    not to mention... The WIPO Troll used himself as a test subject to try out the portable snotbox... i await your results and hope your product gets approved...

    Regards,
    Gay

    Get that rats nest off your head, you numbskull -- Wesley Willis

  15. Re:Portable Snotcube! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.07 3:58 (#2669117 [slashdot.org] )

    stfu. no one really cares about your lame little "troll". make some new material (not that anything you've ever said is worth a damn..)

  16. Re:Yum yum taco-snotting! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.02 22:15 (#2644499 [slashdot.org] )

    Dear SLASH crew - this post makes it clear why you need to add a new category - "tell it like it is (+1)"

  17. This is getting old (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.02 20:14 (#2644227 [slashdot.org] )

    Hey dicksuck, why don't you come up with new troll material? Everyone has seen the tacosnotting 100 times already. Fuckwit. Assholage. Gay. Lick my anal nectar.

  18. Fucking hilarious too bad it didnt get a 5:Funny (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.02 19:01 (#2644105 [slashdot.org] )

    this is good shit man

  19. Re:Taco-snotting@Home! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Dark_Cobra87 [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.01 23:03 (#2642180 [slashdot.org] )

    Oops, forgot to check that Taco-snot option...

  20. Re:Fuck Linux! Fuck him hard! (Score:-1)
    by Fecal Troll Matter [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.01 20:55 (#2641791 [slashdot.org] )

    Mmmmmmm, Taco Sauce... [galeon.com]

    Sig (appended to the end of comments you post, 120 chars)

  21. Look (Score:-1)
    by ArchieBunker [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.01 20:19 (#2641679 [slashdot.org] )

    I love trolling but this shit is getting old, fast. At least start mixing them up a little bit. How about the 'How OSM was Freed' series?

    http://www.naawp.org/

  22. Re:Congratulations! You have been WIPO'd!! (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.01 8:37 (#2640602 [slashdot.org] )

    Stop posting this! I've got hangover and Taco Snotting doesn't make me feel any better.

    I'm really glad that Taco Snotting is illegal here in Europe.

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Copyright © 2001
The WIPO Troll [slashdot.org] . Verbatim crapflooding of this document is permitted in any medium, provided this copyright notice is preserved, and next time you take a dump, you think of the WIPO Troll and all he's done to make Slashdot a better place.

One thing you won't ever get enough of... (2)

HiyaPower (131263) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709617)

Electricity and outlets. Run at least 30 amps of service and preferably 45 amps to your room. Have outlets installed every 9 inches or so along the base and have the breakers be ground fault interrupters. You shouldn't use anywhere near 30 or 45 amps under normal circumstances, but inrush current can be quite a lot when you have a whole room trying to power up at the same time.


Waste heat removal should he either to the exterior of the house in summer or the interior in winter. If you paid for it, you might as well use it to heat your house and not pay twice. Likewise, ventalation to the outside will keep your room within reason unless you get 90+ days where you are. Most commercial server rooms are in the "service core" of a building, do not have the luxery of ready access to lots of cool exterior air and can't do this.


You will want to make sure that you run some sort of humidification in the room. You may wish to include a belt humidifier into your air ducting.

R45 (1)

rockhome (97505) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709622)

You could open a window in the winter. Why not. A couple of layers of R-45 enclosing the room should insulate it from the rest of the house, setting up an airexchange system through a window ought be a snap. This is assuming the external tempurature will always be at an acceptable level.

No matter what, the R-45 will prevent heat from leaking in or cold from leaking out.

Cooling your server room in the winter and summer. (1)

Hyped01 (541957) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709626)

Hi!

Easy task if you do it right, and (more) economical than normally thought...

Use an outside wall accessible room

Install a decently powerful, degree settable AC unit for that room only.

Set up two blower units that are thermostatically controlled - one blowing out (top of room), and the other blowing in (other end of room). The one blowing in should have an electronic damper that can be controlled by thermostat (along with it's blower fan). When outside temperature is 10-20 degrees below *desired*inside temp, it blows the cooler air in. if the out venting one can be placed above the biggest heat generators (UPS's, monitors and drive arrays), they should be used to blow the hot air out, causing decent cirulation in the room similar to what IBM does inside their Intellistation and Netfinity server cases.

The AC unit should be set at proper temperature. It will not come on during the winter when outside air is cool enough to cool the room, thus saving that energy.

The dampers and blowers cycling inside air into the room will need to be adjusted based off how much heat you generate. The more heat, the bigger the difference between desired temp and outside temp. We've found on high heat generating scenarios, you want 15 or more degree differences (the key is you dont want to be blowing in air marginally cooler than wanted while the AC is running or the AC is cooling that much more air volume (whatever the fans can blow in, plus the air volume of the room)).

Make sense? I hope so... if not, email me...

Rob

power more a concern then cooling (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2709628)

i think you should be more concerned about
power levels then cooling. its easy to go
out and buy AC units.. i personally use a
APC Networkair 1000. It won't by any
means cool a full server room but it can
take care of 5-6 servers in my wireframe
shelf setup. It can exaust the water either
via an internal holder(insufficient for
running 24/7) or to an external bucket. i
use a rubbermaid cargo holder deal holds
probably 45 gallons. lasts about a week
before i have to empty it. The advantage
to this unit is its quiet(i live in an
dense apt complex). and it doesn't
draw much power (i think max is 6.5amps).
one of my friends got a cheaper AC unit
which provides about 1/4th the cooling
but draws about 12amps(basically an entire
circut). i think the networkair 1000
does about 750BTUs of cooling. the
network air 1000 also requires an
exaust..so ideally you'll need a window
to exaust to(or a raised ceiling).
it can operate without exaust but in
my experience it reduces the efficiency
of the cooling by a good 75%. the air
vent it requires is small, about 8
inches long and 2 inches wide..

so my point is you need power, and a lot
of it for cooling. i spread my systems
accross 3 circuts in my apt luckily i live
in washington state and don't need the
AC during the winter(gets to about 55
in my living room where my systems are).
the Networkair 1000 set me back about
$750 back in march of this year, bought
it from insight.(price included shipping).
my friend got his AC from sears i think
for about $150 ..i haven't seen it
since he lives on the other side of
the country, but the fact that it draws
12amps alone would rule it out for me.

1 dedicated circut can handle about 9
systems in my experiece. but i have
to leave overhead for non pc stuff,
especially my 12amp vaccum which likes
to trip the breaker :)

Why not just (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2709636)

close the heating vent in that room? don't heat it, but cool it in summer.

Not enough info... (1)

twenex (139462) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709638)

To really help you.


What I did was vent at the top of my server room to a cool hallway and that completely fixed the problem I had. However...


You may not have a cool hallway, etc. You also don't tell us how many computers of what type, size of closet, etc. So the best I think anyone can do is recommend the following:

1. If small amounts of computers/periphs and appropriate ability to vent to a cooler area just do that.

2. Try a small cooling unit (even those that are used for small wine cellars). You will again need to vent to another area.

3. If this is not enough, then you've got some major league requirements and you may as well pay for air conditioning. Don't forget to add in a raised floor while you are at it :-)

In-house home networks (1)

Stochastic_Elastic (534716) | more than 12 years ago | (#2709640)

In house server room? Prolly phat T1 connections. Just one question... Can I move in?
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