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Comparing the DVRs?

Cliff posted more than 12 years ago | from the digital-line-up dept.

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zonker asks: "We are getting hooked up with Dish Network Satellite TV this weekend and opted to go with one of their PVR (personal video recorder) plans. I started wondering if anyone has done any technical reviews or comparisons of the video quality (not just features) of the various digital video recorders out there (TiVo, DishPVR, ReplayTV, etc.). I am curious mostly about recorded video quality compared to the source video. All of them make claims to have various recording 'speeds' like VCR's. VCR's analog output is predictable (fuzzy recording with bits of static here and there, worse when signal quality is bad). However digital recorders have varying levels of pixelization. I was curious which ones fared the best and if anyone has comments on either systems?"

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Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2712666)

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First calculus post!

Re:1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2712923)

And what are these fluxions? The velocities of evanescent increments. And what are these same evanescent increments? They are neither finite quantities, nor quantities infinitely small, nor yet nothing. May we not call them ghosts of departed quantities?

Well, some do... (3, Informative)

Sc00ter (99550) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712668)

I don't know about DishNetwork's PVR, but DirecTiVo just has one recording quality. So a 30hr DirecTiVo is 30hrs... Always.



All it does is record the stream sent down by the sat, so what you're watching is what you would get if it was live TV. I belive UltimateTV works the same way, so I would assume most dish PVRs work this way.

Re:Well, some do... (2, Informative)

drightler (233032) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712703)

I don't know about that... my DirecTiVo manual states that it varies its recording depending on whats going on in the show. My 30 hour unit states it can record UP TO 30 hours depending on recording quality. I have noticed pixelation in the recordings of certain shows, mainly any shows that are kind of 'dark' like sci fi space shows. I have to say that on a couple of occations the pixelation has caught my eye and annoyed me, but its rare when that happens.

Re:Well, some do... (3, Informative)

frankrachel (224667) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712835)

Standalone TiVo has different recording qualities - the TiVo does the compression.

The DirecTiVo record the bitstream as it is received from the satellite, so it in effect has only 1 recording quality, however the satellite signal itself will already be compressed at varying levels.

EchoStar Dishplayer and PVR501 record the bitstream.

I have a DishPlayer, 501 and a SA TiVo. The EchoStar equipment is rather bug-ridden (check dbsforums.com for more info), but it record at a better quality than the TiVo (because the TiVo is standalone, thus compresing the already compressed satellite signal). Plus, the TiVo has to use the IR blaster to control the satellite receiver (at least echostar ones), so channel changing is slow and sometimes (rarely) misses the change.

However, if I were just gettig one and had dishnetwork, I would get the TiVo, followed by a used (or if you can find one since its discontinued) DishPlayer (which is very similar to Microsoft's UltimateTV Directv receiver), and lastly the PVR501..

The PVR501 is not much more than a digital VCR. It has no "P"ersonal functionality like the tivo (suggestions, wishlists, searching, etc.)

Now what I really need is one of these can can record HDTV..

Re:Well, some do... (3, Informative)

jeaton (44965) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712708)

So a 30hr DirecTiVo is 30hrs... Always.

No, it isn't. The incoming bitstream from the satellite is variable rate. Sports and premium channels are generally encoded at a higher rate than the talking heads on CNN.

The DirecTiVo will get about 30 hours on average, but not always.

It does directly record the digital stream from the satellite as the previous poster said, so there is no loss of quality over watching it live.

Re:Well, some do... (2)

jpostel (114922) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712798)

That's odd since TiVo has options for quality. I wish they would change this. It is one of the only drawbacks to the DirecTiVo systems.

Re:Well, some do... (2)

Cramer (69040) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712814)

TiVo, Inc. has zero control over what the broadcast network (DISH, Directv, PrimeStar, etc.) sends. It simply records the bit stream directly. In fact, it has no MPEG encoding capabilities at all - period.

The standalone units have an MPEG encoder so it asks how badly you want it to compress things. As those are fixed rates, it knows exactly how much space is available. (Only recently has VBR been added.)

Re:Well, some do... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2712823)

remember that the digital stuff coming down from the satellite is already MPEG2 compressed, some shows will be more compressed than others (for example the nasa channel is compressed a hell of a lot less than premium channels like HBO).



Tivo on the other hand takes analog stuff off the air and then compresses it - at that point you get to choose the size vs. quality tradeoff. Because the digital cable (remember many of those 'digital' channels are really analog) and satellite sourced data comes pre-compressed you really DON'T want to recompress it (you'd make even more artifacts)

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Re:page lengthening post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2712734)

'page lengthening post' = moron post

Re:page lengthening post (-1)

The WIPO Troll (267426) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712762)

Taste my thick, creamy, white jizz-snot as I blow it all over your face, you browser-breaker!

Tivo Forum & Tivo FAQ (5, Informative)

cowboy junkie (35926) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712675)

Personally, what sold me on Tivo when I got it a year and a half ago was the great community at the AVS Tivo Forum [avsforum.com] . More info than you could ever want and a very supportive bunch for all kinds of questions. The Tivo FAQ [tivofaq.com] is a good place to get answers to the basic questions first, though.

Re:Tivo Forum & Tivo FAQ (1)

loggia (309962) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712751)

Agreed. A nice bonus is TiVo itself pays attention to the suggestions and comments posted there.

Re:Tivo Forum & Tivo FAQ (2)

RedX (71326) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712758)

Agreed, the TiVo folks on the AVS Forums are great. What also sold me was the ability to easily add drive space and the other software hacks that are available. Check the Underground section on the aforementioned AVS TiVo Forum for excellent info on hacking the TiVo.

DishPVR (4, Informative)

sigma (53086) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712676)

Although I'm a big fan of TiVo, in your case I'd reccommend a DishPVR if all you're concerned about is picture quality, unless you can get DirectTV in which case I'd reccommend a DirecTiVo.

DishPVR, DirectTiVo and UTV all store the satellite bitstream directly, so there is no quality setting, since there is no further compression.

page lengthening post (-1)

Klerck (213193) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712677)

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Dishnetwork, Linux and Satellite? (3, Interesting)

swordboy (472941) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712682)

Dishnetwork is the only DVB broadcaster in the states. I noticed that Happauge makes an DVB Receiver Card [hauppauge.com] and was curious if anyone has picked up a real, honest-to-God DVB broadcast on a PC? The cards have the capabilities for conditional access modules (smart cards) so everything could be set up legitimately.

Why isn't there more open support for this? You'd think that Dishnetwork would promote this type of thing.

Re:Dishnetwork, Linux and Satellite? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2712807)

Not true. There our HUNDREDS of broadcasters in DVB. Check it out: http://www.lyngsat.com

It's a world wide standard.

Re:Dishnetwork, Linux and Satellite? (1)

Cramer (69040) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712827)

  • You'd think that Dishnetwork would promote this type of thing.
Why? What on earth makes you think they'd what to make anything even remotely hackable?

Internationel support? (0, Troll)

Chloe Dubois (541434) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712686)

These Tivo devices entrance me; there are many shows I would love watching more frequently, but my schechdule (is that how on spells the word?) often conflicts with the time-slots of my favourite programmes. However, as I looked into the getting of a DVR player, I was saddened to see that their services do not extend beyond the United States! Does anybody know when or maybe if the programming services these interesting devices will be available in Europe? I would love to have another Linux box on my TV to go with all the other ones I have around my house ^_^.

They are available in the UK. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2712699)

Subject says it all. I think it will depend on how other countries cable companies offer the Television Guide data to companies like Tivo. You can basically use a Tivo in ANY country, but its the guide data that needs to be sourced to make it usefull.

Re:Internationel support? (2)

Sc00ter (99550) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712711)

TiVo is available in the UK, I'm sure there's other such devices that could be available in you're area. The biggest problem isn't really getting the device there, but more keeping the schedule current.

Re:Internationel support? (0, Offtopic)

Chloe Dubois (541434) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712829)

Thanks to you for the advice, however, I am afraid I am living in the south of France, which is quite the distance from the United Kingdom :) Hopefully if the service is already in UK, it will quickly spread to here!

Re:Internationel support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2712897)

"Hopefully if the service is already in UK, it will quickly spread to here!"

Only an American would make that conclusion. You slipped up, nice try though. The bio you created was good for a laugh. What a load of bullshit :)

Congratulations! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2712919)

YHBT. YHL. HAND.

Re:Internationel support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2712936)

if tivo service spreads as fast as the crabs your mom gave me do, you'll have an itching nutsack, er, tivo, in no time!

Re:Internationel support? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2712747)

Face it, you live in fucking no-mans land. Long-live the USA. God damned, commie, fuckhead!

Re:Internationel support? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2712756)

Fuck you, asshole.

FEMALE IMPERSONATOR ALERT (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2712764)

Everybody knows there are no girls on Slashdot. The parent post must be an impostor. Begone, shemale!

Re:Internationel support? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2712865)

Are you single? Got any naked pictures? Send them to robmalda@slashdot.org

Re:Internationel support? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2712890)

you will be entranced by my thick cock spurting gobbets of sticky jism over your face and breasts, you linux-loving slut-whore.

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One word (2, Informative)

Moonwick (6444) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712691)

DirecTiVo.

Of course, since you opted to go with DishNetwork that doesn't apply in your case. But to anyone else who hasn't made that decision, DirecTV + TiVo is extreme dual-tuner goodness. It also has the added bonus of storing the raw MPEG stream from the satellite instead of decoding and recompressing programs.

Re:One word (2)

RedX (71326) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712769)

Microsoft's UltimateTV also offers dual-tuner capabilities, although I highly recommend the DirecTiVo. Not sure if any of the Dishnet/ReplayTV options offer dual tuners yet or not.

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Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2712693)

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Re:page lengthening post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2712942)

if your cock were as long as your post, you wouldn't be wasting your time posting here.

Nice crapflooding, though. I laud your efforts :)

It depends (5, Interesting)

djrogers (153854) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712709)

All of the Dish or DirectTV only DVRs record the actual data stream beamed down from the bird and do not have quality settings. PQ will be the same amongst them all, which is why features are the most often compared variables. Nothing comes close to the simplicity, maturity, and number of features available in a TiVo but since you're a Dish customer you'll still need their PVR in order to get the best PQ.

Recording is illegal (-1)

Anonymous Pancake (458864) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712718)

you're not allowed to record tv shows, you do not own the content that is broadcasted and therefore are not allowed to record it.

Dish501 (2, Informative)

bubbazanetti (544237) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712723)

I have had Dishnetwork for a few years. A friend of mine just got the 501 receiver with the PVR built in. First I didn't realize it was a PVR until I noticed the remote had some extra buttons. The machine is as quiet as a regular receiver, the video output is exactly the same as on a regular receiver, it has quite a few hours of recording time, and it is always recording, so if you happen to be watching something and you want to rewind, you can. Of course you can set the timers etc. Also if you get to an end of a show and think you now want to record it, just hit save. When I upgrade, ALL my Dish receivers will be PVR...BTW a twin tuner/PIP receiver should be coming soon.

Booya Grandma (-1, Offtopic)

MisterBlister (539957) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712724)


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These Tivo devices entrance me; there are many shows I would love watching more frequently, but my schechdule (is that how on spells the word?) often conflicts with the time-slots of my favourite programmes. However, as I looked into the getting of a DVR player, I was saddened to see that their services do not extend beyond the United States! Does anybody know when or maybe if the programming services these interesting devices will be available in Europe? I would love to have another Linux box on my TV to go with all the other ones I have around my house yours,

Chloë Unfinished Bombing" it's striking just how many parallels there are in the reactions to these attacks and the similarities in their ripple effects.

Many of us found comfort after the Oklahoma City bombing in the knowledge that it turned out to be the work of a pair of lone kooks (no matter what Gore Vidal claims) and not perpetrated by an organized and well-funded cabal of middle-Eastern terrorists, as was initially speculated. Well, that comfort isn't available anymore, and Oklahoma City offers Americans the only precedent we have for what lies in the future for a city and its people after a terrorist attack.

It's only normal, after a catastrophic event, for people to turn to religion for comfort, or for some to see therapists, or for all of us to buoy ourselves up by adding the disaster to the long line of events that have brought out America's optimism and determination to get on with things; Oklahomans did all of this. Linenthal is not out to deride or deny religion or therapy or the American spirit. But good listener that he is, he finds that these sources

The Unfinished Bombing: Oklahoma City in American Memory
By Edward Linenthal

Oxford Univ. Press
302 pages
Nonfiction
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he heart of "The Unfinished Bombing" is a chapter called "Telling the Story: Three Narratives" in which Linenthal identifies three types of stories the survivors have told themselves while attempting to assimilate the event. The "progressive" narrative focuses on the sense of caring and kinship forged in the shared disaster. It shows a determination to build something positive from the tragedy. The "redemptive" narrative is the response of religious communities as they try to find meaning in an event that threatens to undermine the bedrock beliefs of their faith. The third narrative, the "toxic" narrative, finds neither progress nor redemption. "It is," Linenthal writes, "a story of an unfinished bombing, one that still reaches out to claim people through suicide, to shatter families through divorce, substance abuse, and the corrosive effects of profound and seemingly endless grief."

For the people whose family and friends were murdered in the bombing (It's part of Linenthal's scrupulousness that he uses that word "murdered," and tries to avoid the vagueness of "lost" or "died"), each of these stories has some validity. One woman whose husband, a secret service agent, was killed told Linenthal, "All of the narratives seem to live within my experience, some to greater or lesser degree, from Day 1 to now." This woman, whose name is Pam Whichler, has, at different times, been "absolutely determined" that her family would emerge stronger; felt abandoned by God despite saying that she "felt his presence in my mourning" and that "every day without a disaster is a day to be thankful for"; and become a more questioning believer, more cynical, less tolerant -- as well as a pack-a-day smoker.

In the wake of the Sept. 11 disaster, America is still clinging to the first two of these three narratives. The progressive narrative, in particular, Linenthal writes, "invites people to focus on possibility, opportunity, healing, rebuilding." Only the very cynical, he feels, could dismiss that narrative simply because it doesn't tell the whole story. Of the many examples bolstering the progressive narrative in Oklahoma City -- the people who donated time or money or services, for example -- the most unusual were the 67 massage therapists who went to the site of the Murrah Building to ease the strain on rescue workers. (It's chastising now to read rescue workers remembering how well they were treated in Oklahoma City in contrast with their experience at the 1993 World Trade Center bombing where, Linenthal writes, "vendors hiked the price of bottled water and some rescue workers had to sleep in automobiles.")

Some of the most heartrending stories here involve the rescue dogs, doing what they have been trained to do with no larger understanding of the event, but affected by it nonetheless. The Oklahoma Veterinary Medical Association tended to the dogs who suffered cuts and needed daily baths and saline treatments to wash out their eyes, and a group in Dallas sent the pooches therapeutic mattresses. Linenthal recounts that after unearthing only dead bodies for so long, the dogs became so despondent that their handlers would hide in the rubble so the dogs could feel the delight of finding a live person. If the rescue work had that effect on dogs, we can imagine the toll it took on human beings, even those who were not directly involved in the effort.

OK, OK. (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2712746)

But is it prime or is it irrational? Where's the decimal point?

Dish Network PVR (1)

JeffFurry (209953) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712725)

My only experience is with the Dish Network PVR, but I've been more than pleased with it. I've seen no difference in the quality of "live" video (as recorded from the dish) versus playback, probably because it plays back the same signal that it records. On those rare times I've had signal or decoding problems, those problems are as present on playback as they were on the original signal. I just wish I could all those Buffy episodes to disc instead of video tape. :-)

page lengthening post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2712726)

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tivoguide.com info (1)

deft (253558) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712730)

the guys at tivoguide.com seem to know what they are talking about and have links to all the relevant tivo players on their site for purchase. they run through the different features as well.

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MisterBlister (539957) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712733)

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Need a FREE version (2, Insightful)

fleener (140714) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712735)

I won't be buying a DVR until they offer a non-subscription version. I just want to record stuff without VHS tapes and pause live broadcasts. I could care less about the other recording options. Can you use today's DVRs as a replacement for your VCR without any annoying hassles or subscription fees?

Buy a TiVo (3, Informative)

NetJunkie (56134) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712744)

Buy a Tivo and don't do the subscription. It'll act like a VCR. You just manually tell it when to record...and you still get to control live TV.

Re:Buy a TiVo (1)

Jburkholder (28127) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712905)

That's not true, is it? You get two weeks gratis program info, but after that, it refuses to work until it sees some kind of subscription. (My brother bought a Sony unit thinking he could do what you just desribed, he took it back when it refused to let him record anything without a subscription).

Re:Buy a TiVo (1)

NetJunkie (56134) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712908)

Nope. You can do manual records and things without the subscription. Unless, they've changed it VERY recently..a lot of people don't subscribe and use it just as a digital VCR.

Re:Buy a TiVo (1)

axlrosen (88070) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712957)

This did change, a while ago. The TiVo service used to be recommended, now it's required. See this message [avsforum.com] to the TiVo Forum.

Re:Need a FREE version (1)

droscigno (82885) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712755)

Replaytv is non-subscription

Re:Need a FREE version (3)

RedX (71326) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712777)

Replaytv is non-subscription

True, but the cost of service is included in the up-front fee you pay for the unit. You can avoid TiVo's subscription by paying $250 up-front, and considering you can get a DirecTiVo for under $99 these days, you'll looking at less than $350 up-front for DirecTiVo+lifetime service.

Re:Need a FREE version (2)

Sc00ter (99550) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712784)

Well.. you don't pay a subscription fee.. well, you do, it's just included in the price of the recorder, that's why the same recording capacity costs more then an equivilant TiVo.. If replay goes under and you have a replay TV and they're not supplying "service" then you're just as screwed as not having TiVo service for a TiVo..

Re:Need a FREE version (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2712760)

www.replaytv.com

NO FEES!
I gave a replay and they rule, the new 4000's use broadband for downloads, can send shows to other users, and can skip commercials automaticly.
It also has a save to VCR button, it sends the show to the vcr with a title screen.
-Technomage

Re:Need a FREE version (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2712772)

Yes

Tivo without the subscription option will work almost exactly like your VCR except it is always recording, so it will have between 30 and 90 mins of current history saved at any one time. So you can watch a live program hit pause, take a leak, talk to a tele-marketer etc and then come right back to where you were watching.

Re:Need a FREE version (2, Informative)

bgraziano (79486) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712779)

ReplayTV doesn't have any subscription fees.

In most cases if you compared the price of a TiVo to the price of a ReplayTV you'd find that the TiVo plus it's lifetime subscriptions fee equals the ReplayTV. Basically they are both getting the same amount of money out of you. TiVo just chose to split part of their purchase price out as a subscription fee so you could pay it monthly if you chose.

The new ReplayTV 4000's are now available. These suckers aren't cheap. They add commercial skip and the ability to share shows over a broadband connection.

Personally I have a ReplayTV and LOVE it. I don't know how people can watch TV without one. It truly changes how you watch televison.

I have unhooked my VCR and with any luck I'll never hook it up again.

You may want the data more than you think (5, Interesting)

btempleton (149110) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712836)

Obviously you can be wary when somebody says "trust me."

But trust me, try out a Tivo or similar box with the listing data. It really is a whole different beast from a simple hard disk recorder that can record shows at set times. Even though you can fully comprehend what all the features do, you won't really understand how it changes your watching of TV until you try it for a while.

I mean, I'm very up on the technology, and in many ways I feel that even before I got a box I knew better what features they were missing, but even so, there are elements you won't indentify until you sit down and use it.

With the Tivo, if you get an older box (not a new one, you need to get one of old inventory or used) you can cancel the monthly service and use it for timed recording.

And even though the data is overpriced at $9.95 (it's not really overpriced, it's just that you are paying for software upgrades and part of the box in there, but it seems like you are paying for listings) the change is remarkable.

It's not just a better UI where you browse both upcoming, live and recorded programs by name and category. It's not just the way it adjusts when programs change channel or timeslot. Not just how it records only the new shows and not the reruns, or lets you see all the different times the same show is on. And it's not just the fact that when the machine has nothing to do, it records shows that match your other tastes and puts them in spare disk space.

The key is you think about TV differently. There is an asynch pile of stuff coming in and you watch it in any order you like, at any time you like. You never watch the live TV again. Almost never, at least. The pausing live TV is a red herring feature to bring in new users, it turns out to be not useful because you don't watch live tv.

Get a ReplayTV (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2712965)

Get a replayTV. No subscription to pay for.

More good news for DirecTV users (1)

Silver222 (452093) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712738)

You can get a DirecTivo for about $99 now. Circuit City, Best Buy are selling the Hughes model for dirt cheap. The wife wanted me to get another receiver so we could put a tv in the living room, and I was shocked to find out that for $50 more I could get a Tivo :)

I've had since Friday night, and I love it. Still just playing with it though. It's great to be able to pause a movie on HBO to get up and take a leak.

TiVo is the best PVR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2712745)

I'd say after playing with all the PVRs out there, TiVo wins on all counts that I can think of. There was the question of the dual tuners, but now the DirecTivos have this as well.

Plus, UltimateTV has those really annoying commercials.

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Hardware Codec... (3, Insightful)

tcc (140386) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712752)

They are probably using either C-Cube or Zoran (or any similar MPEG2/MJPEG chips). While quality can vary from a chip to another, I'd look more at the maximum datarate that each unit is recording at. The bigger the better in terms of quality.

I hate the fact that they sell the systems with "30 hours of playback" 30 hours, you can stick 30 hours of video on a cdrom with low bitrates, it means NOTHING. What you want to check for if they don't give the true numbers, is the size of the hard drive and the minimal recording time (i.e. if they say you can record minimal of 20 hours on a 40GB drive, you do the maths for the datarate: (sorry if I don't multiply by 1024 or if I miss anything, this is intended as "raw".

So, 40GB for 20 hours.

40,000MB/(20 hours x 60 minutes x 60 secons) = 0.55MB/sec.

Mjpeg looks "okay" on a standard el-cheapo TV at about 1MB/sec. (its blocky on a vga monitor but depending on the quality of your tv, it's smooths a bit on the output so you notice it a bit less). Personnaly when I deal with video that I want to store with a good MJPEG codec, I don't go under 3-4MB/sec. For replaying with the video (i.e. decompress, add some effect, recompress) I don't go under 5MB/sec (if not uncompressed).

That's for MJPEG with 4:2:2 colorspace, if they use a DV codec, it's 4:1:1 colorspace so there's more pixel quality for the same given bandwith compared to 4:2:2 MJPEG.

Anyways I'm going off here, what you want to do is apply the above formula when you can't get the datarate and pick the highest number... you won't care if it means less storage, because you can ramp up the compression afterwars anyways. And besides, drives are going down in price everyday, and since your concern is about quality and not storage, this is one of the option you might want to look for.

I'm sure electronic-wise, aside from some extra stuff like component out or nice extras like that, the Codec level and overall theorical compressed quality is about the same from a machine to another, so probably the biggest difference (aside from the added features like component out if some don't have it) will be that number which will be hardcoded in the firmware. Some might want to go with lower values to be sure that the drive will follow (but then again most drives do over 10MB/sec sustained easily nowadays) or for any other reasons like marketting for more storage than the competition.

Re:Hardware Codec... (3, Insightful)

RedX (71326) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712792)

Great technical info, but none of it pertains to the combination satellite receiver/PVR boxes since they don't encode the video but simply save the already-encoded datastream that is received from the satellite.

Re:Hardware Codec... (1)

Cramer (69040) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712871)

Actually, it isn't good technical info... the video stream is _M_P_E_G_ -- not _M_otion _J_PEG.

MJPEG is equal to an MPEG I-Frame stream. No idiot transmits 100% I-Frame streams. (Editing systems record that way to allow proper frame-by-frame editing.)

Re:Hardware Codec... (1)

cpt kangarooski (3773) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712971)

Well, eventually we probably will. It wasn't so long ago that music distributed online was pretty much limited to short, low-quality AUs, MODs and MIDI files.

I like a good MOD, but MP3's taken over. Eventually MJPEG probably will too, provided that the MPAA doesn't go insane over it. (well, more so)

Klerk! You jizz-monkey! Stop that! And SNOT!! (-1)

The WIPO Troll (267426) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712753)

By The WIPO Troll [slashdot.org] , $Revision: 1.13 $

Why have I been receiving emails from some guy called "CmdrTaco," in which he seems to be speaking in some kind of code language?

You have been receiving email from a certain
Robert "CmdrTaco" Malda [cmdrtaco.net] , owner of the popular technology website Slashdot [slashdot.org] . Actually, it's not a very "popular" site in the common sense of the word; the site is rife with pimply, antisocial geeks, zit-faced nerds, dirty GNU hippies [yahoo.com] and communists, and other societal rejects. It's also home to the world's most infamous pædophile ring, the "Slashdot crew."
Whenever CmdrTaco gets bored (and who wouldn't, running a site like
Slashdot all day), he roams through the Slashdot database, penis in hand, looking for people who might enjoy engaging in homosexual orgies with him. How he determines this is anyone's guess; but if you have a homosexual-sounding nickname, or a nick with the letter P or E in it, you're in trouble.
And this time, he found
you. Lucky you.
CmdrTaco's code language is relatively easy to decipher. He prefers to speak in thinly-veiled sexual innuendo to evade the watchful (but relatively stupid) eye of Slashdot's parent corporation,
VA Software [yahoo.com] . CmdrTaco's "Commander" is, of course, his penis -- a small, withered little thing that lives in his pants and only comes out in the presence of other male geeks or at the beck and call of CmdrTaco's own lubed-up right hand. His "Taco bells" are the shriveled testicles that droop beneath his Commander, and his "Taco sauce" is his thick, gooey semen. It should be more than obvious to you now what he means if he asked you to "ring his Taco bells" or "taste his gourmet Taco sauce."
Lastly, there is the practice he refers to as "Taco-snotting" and the more revolting "circle-snot."

Good Lord. What is "Taco-snotting?"

"Taco-snotting" is the term used by CmdrTaco to refer to an act of fellating a homosexual man (or unwilling heterosexual; CmdrTaco is rumoured to prefer rape), then blowing the semen out his nose onto the face and body of his partner or victim. Naturally, a long, bubbly stream of milky-white semen is
left on CmdrTaco's face [yahoo.com] , dribbling out of his nose and down his cheek: hence the term, "Taco-snotting."
A "circle-snot" is a Taco-snotting
circle-jerk, another practice common among the Slashdot crew. CmdrTaco, CowboiKneel [aol.com] , and Homos get together and snot each other with their gooey, sticky cum -- spooging their jizz-snot all over each other's faces and pasty, white bodies, until they're covered head to toe with their own and each other's man juice. This vile ritual can go on for hours. For the homosexual penetration that follows this lengthy foreplay, Roblowme is usually there to provide plenty of anal lubricant; he owns a limo service and has ample supplies of motor oil and axle grease ready to go.
To complete this perverted orgy, fellow geeks Michael, Timothy, and Jamie will usually join in, dressed in tight leather mock-S.S. uniforms, jack boots, and leather gloves. The whole group then proceeds to snot each other's spunk and whip each other's pudgy asses with riding crops and chains until their pale, white geek bodies are exhausted and soaked in stinking sweat from the hours of passionate, homosexual revelry.

Ewwwwww. So, can I stop receiving these emails?

Hopefully.
You most likely forgot to uncheck the "Willing to Taco-snot" checkbox in your account preferences. CmdrTaco has probably already got the hots for your wad, and he's probably already been lurking outside your bathroom window for weeks with a camera, some tissues and lube. There's no escaping a geek in heat, so it's probably too late for you, but you can possibly rectify this situation. To remove yourself from CmdrTaco's sights, log into your Slashdot account, go to your user page, click on
Messages, and uncheck the box next to "Willing to Taco-snot." Maybe he'll ignore you. Probably not.

I can't stop receiving these emails from CmdrTaco!?

If you indulge him in a Taco-snot or two, he
might leave you alone. You might also want to look into mail filtering, restraining orders, or purchasing a heavy, blunt object capable of warding off rampaging homosexual geeks in heat. Trust me, when they charge... oh, the humanity. If he gets you, and you let him Taco-snot you, you will most likely end up tied up in his basement to be used as his sex slave for the rest of your life (or until he accidentally drowns you in spunk in a circle-snot).

Have you ever been Taco-Snotted?

Unfortunately, yes. I first met CmdrTaco at an
Open Source Convention [yahoo.com] . He invited me back to his room for a game of Quake and some "gourmet Tacos," but when I got there, he jumped me and tied me to his bed, stripping me. After taking his "Commander" out of his pants, Mr. Taco made me suck the withered thing six times. He then performed his vile Taco-snotting ritual on me three times over the next two hours, bringing me to orgasm after sweaty, mind-numbing orgasm... then he snotted my own milky-white jizz back onto my face, into my mouth, then again on my exposed belly.
CmdrTaco invited several of his Open Source (or rather, "Open Sauce" -- man sauce) buddies over to continue the twisted snotfest. Linux Torvalds
raped my ass [yahoo.com] with his "monolithic kernel [yahoo.com] ," and Anal Cox used his "network stack" in a multitude of unspeakable ways on and in every orifice in my defenseless body. Michael was there in his leather Nazi uniform, caning my ass with a bamboo pole and ranting about "all those Censorware freaks out to get him."
How did you finally escape, you ask? After about 16 hours of countless homosexual atrocities perpetrated against my restrained body, they all finally went to sleep on top of me, sweat-soaked and exhausted. I was left there, covered in bubbly, translucent jizz-snot, chained to the bed, with half a dozen fat, pasty-white fags lying around and on top of me. Fortunately the spooge coating my flesh worked wonderfully as a lubricant; I was able to squirm my way out of the handcuffs and slip out the back door. I'm just glad I survived the ordeal. These geeks had a lot of built-up spunk in their wads -- I could've easily been drowned!

That's horrible. Does "Taco-snotting" have anything to do with CmdrTaco's "special taco"?

No, that's a different disgusting perversion CmdrTaco indulges himself in. CmdrTaco is usually not satisfied with merely snotting your own jizz back onto your face, he most often enjoys involving his own bodily fluids in his twisted games.
WeatherTroll [slashdot.org] has spent some time trying to educate the Slashdot readership about this vile practice (emphasis added):
You may be wondering what CmdrTaco's "special taco" is. You will be wishing that you hadn't been wondering after you finish reading this post. To make his "special taco", CmdrTaco takes a taco shell and
shits on it. He then adds lettuce, jacks off on the taco, and adds a compound to make the person who eats the taco unconscious. Of course, the compound does not make the person unconscious until the taco is fully eaten. Thus CmdrTaco force-feeds the taco to the unsuspecting victim.
After the victim is unconscious, he is held against his will and used for CmdrTaco's nefarious sexual purposes. This includes shoving taco shells up the victim's ass, Taco-snotting, and getting Jon Katz involved.
Completely different, yet no less revolting. It should be clear to you now that CmdrTaco is a very, very sick individual, as are most of the Slashdot editors.

Does Jon Katz get involved in any of this? I thought he was a pædophile, not a homosexual.

Actually, Jon Katz is a homosexual pædophile. He's also a coprophiliac, and, many suspect, a zophile. Jon Katz is somewhat of a loner and doesn't involve himself in circle-snots. Mr. Katz usually engages in a game called "
Katz juicy-douching [aol.com] " with his harem of little-boy slaves: a vile practice which involves administering an enema to himself of the little boy's urine (forced out of them with a pair of pliers), spooging the vile muck from his ass back into the enema bag, then squirting and slathering the goo all over himself, and the little boy's chained-up and naked bodies. If he's in the mood, he will sometimes skip refilling the enema bag and just squirt it from his ass [yahoo.com] onto his boys. Unwilling boys are further tortured with the pliers until they comply and allow Mr. Katz to juicy-douche them for the rest of their lives.
As I already said, Mr. Katz is
also a zophile. As if the sexual escapades with the helpless little boys aren't enough, Jon usually enjoys his juicy-douches best when his penis is firmly planted in a female goat's anus [yahoo.com] . He is also rumoured to get off on watching his little boys eat the goat's small, bean-like turds.

...Are you getting hard writing this?

Why, yes. :) Join me in a WIPO-snot?

No, thanks. I'm already CmdrTaco's boi toi.

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RECENT READER COMMENTS

Once comments have been archived by Slashdot, they're removed from the Official Taco-Snotting FAQ. However much I would like to paste 200k crapfloods into Slashdot, my browser is a piece of shit and won't let me!

  1. Re:Taco-Powered Christmas Snot (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.15 7:05 (#2707493 [slashdot.org] )

    Has this been submitted to linuxdoc.org yet?

  2. Re:Bye bye Windows! (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.15 5:12 (#2707245 [slashdot.org] )

    That may be true, but have you made love to a wombat today?

  3. Re:That's my department, boy! (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward (actually afree87 [slashdot.org] ) on 2001.12.15 2:51 (#2706921 [slashdot.org] )

    Wow, WipoTroll, you really know how to snot! And you can scramble Slashdot's HTML, too! I love boys who do that! Come over to my place sometime!

  4. Re:CmdrTaco BANNED FOR LIFE from Taco Bell!!!!!! (Score:-1)
    by WeatherTroll [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.15 2:48 (#2706907 [slashdot.org] )

    CmdrTaco only goes to Taco Bell to get their hot sauce, and to solicit hot sauce enemas from underage male employees. He makes his own tacos.

  5. Re:Snottle OSnotX, BSnotD, and Snottan Snottard (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward (actually afree87 [slashdot.org] ) on 2001.12.15 2:47 (#2706900 [slashdot.org] )

    We love you, WipoTroll! We want you to snot us, WipoTroll!

  6. Re:Bye bye Windows! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.15 1:35 (#2706675 [slashdot.org] )

    I want some Taco-snot! Where can I get some?

  7. Re:Bye bye Windows! (Score:-1)
    by JonKatz on [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.15 0:29 (#2706495 [slashdot.org] )

    Please, please, please Taco-snot me. I know I would love it almost as much as fucking young boys. Pleadingly, JonKatz

  8. Important Information For Slashdot Users (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.14 3:09 (#2702660 [slashdot.org] )

    It has recently come to my attention that the entire Slashdot crew engage in homosexual activities. CmdrTaco [cmdrtaco.net] is one such person, and has dedicated his life to spreading the ideals of Taco-Snotting while enjoying the benefits of it. For further information on Taco-Snotting please refer to George WIPO Bush's Taco-Snotting FAQ which can be easily found by searching for the Slashdot journal of George WIPO Bush or by looking in the comments of Slashdot articles (Usually modded -1).

    It has also come to my attention that CmdrTaco [cmdrtaco.net] has other interests besides homosexuality (Believe it or not). One such interest includes a budding music career with a song titled "Gaping Anus". The details are sketchy on this topic but I [geocities.com] do know that besides the lead vocals of CmdrTaco [cmdrtaco.net] , it includes Timothy and CowboyNeal (Also members of the Slashdot crew). There has been no release date set for this album or which record label it will be produced under. I [geocities.com] believe CmdrTaco [cmdrtaco.net] is planning to set up his own label, Taco-Snotting Records [riaa.com] , with the intention of releasing [amazon.com] the song on a cd-single with various remixes as soon as possible (To catch the current popularity of the Taco-Snotting fad). On a side note, I [geocities.com] would not believe this fad will ever wear out (like a Snotted-out-geek); I [geocities.com] am sorry to say Taco-Snotting is here to stay :-(. Various remixes of Gaping Anus will include: "Extra Jizz", "Snot Me Baby One More Time", "www.Goatse.cx" [goatse.cx] , and "Once You Taco-Snot, You Can't Stop". I [geocities.com] am sure many, many, more are sure to come. I [geocities.com] predict this album will be a very hot seller this holiday season, especially with in or out of closet homosexuals, and with those who have no self-respect (Readers of Slashdot).

    Through a good, non-homosexual friend of mine, I [geocities.com] have recieved a copy of the lyrics to the Gaping Anus musical composition. Included after the lyrics is a very speical tribute written by yours truely. Perhaps CmdrTaco [cmdrtaco.net] will ask me to provide the vocals. Please feel free to read the lyrics and post your comments and disgust. E-mail CmdrTaco with this disgust also.

    BTW, please do not reply with the intention of flaming me because the lyrics are a rip-off of Insane Clown Posse's [insaneclownposse.com] "Slim Anus" [realjuggalos.com] . For more information on ICP and Slim Anus refer here [planet-eminem.com] and here [mp3mtv.com] . CmdrTaco [cmdrtaco.net] is the author of this fine musical work and not me [geocities.com] . So, it is obviously he who has ripped off ICP and not me [geocities.com] . Thank you.

    Read the rest of this shit... [slashdot.org]

  9. Re:Snotback: Snotto, Snotz, Snottion (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.14 2:44 (#2702581 [slashdot.org] )

    you know, every time i read this i want to punch you more and more. the taco snotting thing is old, lame, boring, and over done. it never was remotely funny or good though. it sounds like a 10th grader wrote it too. so please, go play in traffic or shut the fuck up so real trolls can post.

  10. Re:Italics are yummy! (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Super Mario Troll [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.14 2:33 (#2702535 [slashdot.org] )

    Keep up the good work! Educate the masses to the dangers of Taco-Snotting!

    It's a me, the Super Mario Troll!
    Would you like to see my gaping troll anus [goatse.cx]
  11. Re:Italics are yummy! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.14 1:41 (#2702370 [slashdot.org] )

    WIPO - Man you trolls are shit compared to Egg Trolls troll's. Egg Man is just so much more original.

  12. Re:The WIPO Troll Announces Portable Snotbox (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.07 7:58 (#2669658 [slashdot.org] )

    That leaky sound you hear is CmdrTaco pissing himself after seeing this.

    Slashdot trolling just got a whole lot easier...

    http://www.geocities.com/frostpist/

    Spread the word!

  13. Re:The WIPO Troll Announces Portable Snotbox (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.07 5:48 (#2669422 [slashdot.org] )

    Q: Is CmdrTaco gay?

    A: He Mos' certainly is!

  14. Re:The WIPO Troll Announces Portable Snotbox (Score:-1)
    by GaylordFucker [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.07 5:39 (#2669394 [slashdot.org] )

    not to mention... The WIPO Troll used himself as a test subject to try out the portable snotbox... i await your results and hope your product gets approved...

    Regards,
    Gay

    Get that rats nest off your head, you numbskull -- Wesley Willis

  15. Re:Portable Snotcube! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.07 3:58 (#2669117 [slashdot.org] )

    stfu. no one really cares about your lame little "troll". make some new material (not that anything you've ever said is worth a damn..)

  16. Re:Yum yum taco-snotting! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.02 22:15 (#2644499 [slashdot.org] )

    Dear SLASH crew - this post makes it clear why you need to add a new category - "tell it like it is (+1)"

  17. This is getting old (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.02 20:14 (#2644227 [slashdot.org] )

    Hey dicksuck, why don't you come up with new troll material? Everyone has seen the tacosnotting 100 times already. Fuckwit. Assholage. Gay. Lick my anal nectar.

  18. Fucking hilarious too bad it didnt get a 5:Funny (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.02 19:01 (#2644105 [slashdot.org] )

    this is good shit man

  19. Re:Taco-snotting@Home! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Dark_Cobra87 [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.01 23:03 (#2642180 [slashdot.org] )

    Oops, forgot to check that Taco-snot option...

  20. Re:Fuck Linux! Fuck him hard! (Score:-1)
    by Fecal Troll Matter [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.01 20:55 (#2641791 [slashdot.org] )

    Mmmmmmm, Taco Sauce... [galeon.com]

    Sig (appended to the end of comments you post, 120 chars)

  21. Look (Score:-1)
    by ArchieBunker [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.01 20:19 (#2641679 [slashdot.org] )

    I love trolling but this shit is getting old, fast. At least start mixing them up a little bit. How about the 'How OSM was Freed' series?

    http://www.naawp.org/

  22. Re:Congratulations! You have been WIPO'd!! (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.01 8:37 (#2640602 [slashdot.org] )

    Stop posting this! I've got hangover and Taco Snotting doesn't make me feel any better.

    I'm really glad that Taco Snotting is illegal here in Europe.

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Copyright © 2001
The WIPO Troll [slashdot.org] . Verbatim crapflooding of this document is permitted in any medium, provided this copyright notice is preserved, and next time you take a dump, you think of the WIPO Troll and all he's done to make Slashdot a better place.

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Re:page lengthening post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2712844)

more irritating than ass-wipo

Re:page lengthening post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2712981)

speaking of irritating, did your mom douche with bleah or something? Man, my dick is burning like hell. I hope I don't have a drippy dick!

orang55 (5, Interesting)

moosesocks (264553) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712801)

I would suppose the boxes with the built in satelitte recievers would have the best quality. There is a ton of conversion involved here. The built-in box has no conversion involved.

Non-intergrated/2 boxes MPEG2 Satelitte Stream -> VBR Decoded to FBR -> downconverted to analog output -> cable to pvr, signal loss, interference, etc -> MPEG2 Vbr Conversion -> MPEG2 Decoding -> Out to TV

Intergrated box MPEG2 Satelitte Stream -> VBR already encoded, data alreay MPEG2 compressed, saved directly to disk, video remains unedited and uncompressed. -> Downconversion to analog -> Out to TV

Rumor has it that next month, EchoStar (parent company of DishNetwork) will release a HD PVR. Of course, that would require a huge drive, but there is also news that Dish ordered a slew of 120gb drives from a large storage sompany. So, more room for plain-ol broadcasts, which dont take up nearly as much room. The box has been dubbed the DishPVR 721. Oh yeah, it runs linux.

More news and stuff on the Echostar Knowledge Base [swiki.net] . There's lots of stuff on the AVSFORUM [avsforum.com] dish network board with other info.

721 != HDTV (2, Interesting)

doormat (63648) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712913)

The 721 model is NOT for HDTV. The 921 which is HDTV for all we know might never come out (it probably wouldnt be introduced until after the merger gets approved/denied). The 721 has dual tuners, 75 hours of recording time (but a 100GB HD, they are most likely setting aside some HD space for video on demand, music on demand, etc), USB/ethernet connections (imagine downloading guide info over broadband instead of a phone line or satellite). Anyways..

TIVO has been the easiest I have used (2)

pres (34668) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712810)

From a purely ease of use standpoint (ie. not trying to hack it or upgrade it or anything just use it) Tivo has so far won me over (and is the one I ended up getting).

Instead of a remote control with lots of little hard to see buttons, Tivo's remote is actually clean and neat. Just what you need, with buttons in the size and color that make them east to find and use. It even fits nicely in the hand.

Its on screen access is clean and neat as well. I have never had a technical problem with it or any problem trying to use it.

Finally, while I have never tried hacking my Tivo, I had seen several sites that seemed to give good, clean directions for adding another hard disk and so on.

Go with DirectTivo, instead of Dish - heres why (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2712816)

My dad has Dish and I have DirecTV with integrated Tivo. My Dad's Dish picture quality is noticably lower than the DirecTV to begin with. Not bad on a small TV but on a 36" TV you can definitely tell a difference. I've heard this is because of the way Dish and DirecTV differ in color encoding. Kind of like RGB vs YUV kind of thing.

Anyway, DirecTV can also be had with integrated Tivo (Philips, Sony, and Hughes) - there is no degregation in picture quality when viewing live, buffered, or saved TV programs. It's exactly as if it were non-Tivo. If you get a Dish or DirecTV WITHOUT the integrated Tivo then the picture quality varies from below VHS quality to slightly higher than VHS quality - but always WAY lower than digital satellie quality.

good luck.

TiVo software is inflexible (1, Troll)

jungd (223367) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712822)

I bought a TiVo because it runs linux and has a good hacker community, can be upgraded etc.
However, while I do like the TiVo, the software could be alot more flexible. There are many little things that could be improved. For example:
1) You can select to record programs by searching by name, but it only searched within a limited horizon of programming (the week or so for which it has the guide). If not found, it can be recorded. For example, you couldn't ask it to record "Mission to Mars" whenever it comes on next.
2) You can't ask it to record programs matching criteria like a particular actor, or keyword in title etc.
3) Once a program has been selected for recording, you can't change the record quality without cancelling it, finding it again via search, channel guide or whatever, and re-selecting to record it.
4) It takes 2-4 hours to process and index the program guide after making a call to TiVo! (what on earth is it doing?)
5) There are a few subtle bugs in the menu display software that sometimes cause display artifacts (rarely though).
6) If you have a partial recording of something that you are also currently recording, it doesn't distinguish between the two - so you can delete the partial until the current recording it complete
7) Sometimes the GUI is slow to respond (I assume the CPU is busy - just evert so slightly underpowered to do everything it needs. Although the record/playback seems to get highest priority - I've noticed no artifacts there)
Many other, small, but annoying things like this.

Perhaps they should Open Source the software and let us ./'ers fix and improve it! :)

Apart from those gripes the TiVo is good. I am impressed by the record quality and playback.

OOT: If you have a Comcast General Instrument cable box, the supplied infrared blasters for channel changing are not strong enough and you'll have to but better ones (for ~$30).

Re:TiVo software is inflexible (1)

Myran (118856) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712843)

In response to :

1) This seems unclear, however, with the version 2.x software you can record any specific show when it comes on, you just have to setup a title keyword.

2) You can record by keyword in software version 2.x (any recorder should be upgraded over the phone).

3) I believe this is another problem that was fixed in version 2.x

Re:TiVo software is inflexible (1)

Monoman (8745) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712851)

"2) You can't ask it to record programs matching criteria like a particular actor, or keyword in title etc"

What about wishlists? Don't they do just what you mentioned?

"4) It takes 2-4 hours to process and index the program guide after making a call to TiVo! (what on earth is it doing?) "

That all depends on the number of channels you want to keep track of. Do you really need to index CSPAN, Pay Per View Preview channel, etc?

Re:TiVo software is inflexible (1)

Yankovic (97540) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712852)

Not to be a troll, but 1 and 3 are doable (and quite well) using UltimateTV. I had a TiVO and actually switched to UltimateTV for the those reasons PLUS:

Picture in Picture
UltimateTV Sports (you can see live box scores and alerts when teams get in the red zone for example)
30 Second skip ahead
Remote Recording (being able to log in to a website and tell it to record a show (i can't tell you how many times i've been at work and forgotten to record something at home)

It does all that! (5, Informative)

Otto (17870) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712857)

1) You can select to record programs by searching by name, but it only searched within a limited horizon of programming (the week or so for which it has the guide). If not found, it can be recorded. For example, you couldn't ask it to record "Mission to Mars" whenever it comes on next.

Sure you can. Make a Title Wishlist for MISSION MARS and set it to auto-record. Done. That is the point of Wishlists, to record matching type things. Wishlists are in the 2.0 and up software, so if you just bought the Standalone unit, it'll only have 1.3 on there. It'll upgrade after it dials in a few times.

2) You can't ask it to record programs matching criteria like a particular actor, or keyword in title etc.

Again, use Wishlists. The possible wishlists are: Actor, Director, Keyword, Title (keyword but only in the title), and Genre.

3) Once a program has been selected for recording, you can't change the record quality without cancelling it, finding it again via search, channel guide or whatever, and re-selecting to record it.

Huh? Go to the ToDo List, find the show you want to change, hit select, then go to the "options" screen on that show. Change all the settings for that recording you like, including the quality.

4) It takes 2-4 hours to process and index the program guide after making a call to TiVo! (what on earth is it doing?)

Indexing the new data into it's database. However, this does tell me you have 1.3 software and not 2.0. The newer 2.0 software indexes in the background.

5) There are a few subtle bugs in the menu display software that sometimes cause display artifacts (rarely though).

Mostly fixed in 2.0 and up (2.5 is out now).

6) If you have a partial recording of something that you are also currently recording, it doesn't distinguish between the two - so you can delete the partial until the current recording it complete

Huh? I fail to understand this one, but all recordings are treated separately. If you record something and then it doesn't finish so you record it again later, those are separate and treated separately.

7) Sometimes the GUI is slow to respond (I assume the CPU is busy - just evert so slightly underpowered to do everything it needs. Although the record/playback seems to get highest priority - I've noticed no artifacts there)

Yes, it it a tad slow to respond at times. This was improved, but not fixed, in 2.0 and up.

In short, wait until you download the new software before passing judgement. The new software is tremendous compared to 1.3. It'll download 2.5 for you in under a week or two of first setting it up.

Re:TiVo software is inflexible (1)

mercy (65139) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712931)

Sounds like you've got an older version of the OS. I've got 2.5.1 and I can do the following:

For example, you couldn't ask it to record "Mission to Mars" whenever it comes on next.

Yes you can. When you create a wishlist (which you can do by show title), one of the options is to record it whenever it shows up.

You can't ask it to record programs matching criteria like a particular actor, or keyword in title etc.

You can make wishlists for actors and/or keywords and records them as above.

Once a program has been selected for recording, you can't change the record quality without cancelling it, finding it again via search, channel guide or whatever, and re-selecting to record it.

If you go to the ToDo screen and select the recording there, you can change the quality.

Re:TiVo software is inflexible (3, Informative)

toastyman (23954) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712950)

Huh? What version of the software do you have?

1) You can select to record programs by searching by name, but it only searched within a limited horizon of programming (the week or so for which it has the guide). If not found, it can be recorded. For example, you couldn't ask it to record "Mission to Mars" whenever it comes on next.

Sure you can. "Pick programs to record", "Search using wishlists", "Create a new wishlist", "Title Wishlist". You can even use wildcards. Record all movies that match "*mars*" and it will do it.

2) You can't ask it to record programs matching criteria like a particular actor, or keyword in title etc.

From the main menu, pick "Pick programs to Record" then "Search using Wishlists". You can choose programs by Actor, Director, Category, Keyword or Title.

3) Once a program has been selected for recording, you can't change the record quality without cancelling it, finding it again via search, channel guide or whatever, and re-selecting to record it.

"Pick Programs to Record", "To do list". Choose your program, then "Cancel/Edit the Season Pass", "Change recording options". In there you get the settings "Record Quality", "Keep at most", "Show Type", "Keep until", etc...

4) It takes 2-4 hours to process and index the program guide after making a call to TiVo! (what on earth is it doing?)

You fail to mention that it only does this ONCE, when you first buy it. It's not like you'll ever see it again. (and it's generating indexes for all those ways you can search for programs - much much better than downloading extra data over analog modem lines)

6) If you have a partial recording of something that you are also currently recording, it doesn't distinguish between the two - so you can delete the partial until the current recording it complete

I couldn't parse this sentence at all... Could you rephrase?

If you have a Comcast General Instrument cable box, the supplied infrared blasters for channel changing are not strong enough and you'll have to but better ones (for ~$30).

Hrm, I couldn't find any mention of this on the tivo forums... I've got the GI DCT box myself, and haven't had a problem.

You sure you don't work for ReplayTV or something? :)

Re:TiVo software is inflexible (1)

vjmurphy (190266) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712960)

>For example, you couldn't ask it to record "Mission to Mars" whenever it comes on next.

Some would actually call that a feature, considering the movie. ;)

DBS foreign (1)

baomike (143457) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712853)

Do not assume you can not get DBS if you are not
in the US. The Canadian snow birds take their
ExpressVu with them to Arizona. There are business
that "arrange " you subscription . Its about C$80
per year plus the DBS subscription (C$14.00/ month) The catch is the satellite is at 91W.
There is another DBS in Canada (and others) but
ExpressVu uses the same technology as Dishnetwork.
Receivers are diff but antenna set up the same.
Do a search on ExpressVu.
Besides Canadian TV has a more mellow feel than US
TV. Example: Watch the olympics on Canadian TV and
you find that there are other contries at the olympics besides the US.

baomike
A native Oregonian who misses his CTV.(CHEK)

Another option in the UK anyway (2)

bfree (113420) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712858)

Not too long ago sky [sky.com] came out with a new PVR system called Sky+ [sky.com] which they are now starting to hype (though this [sky.com] questions if it is released). What's interesting is that sky have left Tivo [tivo.com] to persue this option [pace.co.uk] from Pace [pace.co.uk] . One of the touted advantages was that the Sky+ will record the actual broadcast stream direct to disk, but I can't help but think the real reason for the change in tack from sky is that they wish to have more control over the capabilities of their customers (i.e. no Network card streaming hacks please).

it doesn't matter how many hours you get... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2712861)

it doesn't matter how many hours you get initially because you can easily upgrade the internal harddisk...a 120 Gig drive will store over 100 hours of recorded material.

follow the (idiot-proof) instructions outlined here [newreleasesvideo.com]

Quality made simple (5, Informative)

Otto (17870) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712882)

The three big ones for Dish based setups (DirecTivo's, UltimateTV's, and DishPVR's) all record the actual digital stream coming from the satellite. No encoding is done in the unit, so what you see on the feed is what you get on the recording. This doesn't mean there's no artifacts, it means that the artifacts will be the same as if you were watching it "live".

The other two major ones (Tivo standalone units, ReplayTV) are mostly comparable in picture quality.

Tivo has 4 picture quality settings, that range the spectrum pretty well, with "Best" being very close to live, and "Basic" being about VCR quality, but slightly sharper. Replay has 3 quality settings, I believe, and they are mostly the same as Tivo, picture wise.

Audio wise, it seems as if the Replay lowers the bitrate on the audio as well as the video in the lower quality settings, but this may be untrue or a rumor. Tivo definitely uses the same audio quality regardless of the quality setting. It sounds pretty good and I've not noticed any weirdness on Tivo audio except for some loss on the rear channel on Dolby Pro-Logic signals from time to time. Neither unit can record Dolby Digital, while the Dish/DTV-based units can and have digital outputs as well.

Tivo capture resolution (4, Interesting)

bani (467531) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712883)

I was suprised to discover that Tivo captures video at 352x480, with 32khz audio. That is disturbingly low.

This may not seem like much of a problem considering that NTSC broadcast maxxes out around 440 pixels. However at 352x480 the mpeg macroblocks are quite large, and any macroblock artifacts will be quite noticeable.

The "higher quality" capture options on Tivo only adjust the bitrate given to the mpeg, but the video resolution and audio rate remain the same.

It's a shame Tivo doesn't use higher resolutions for higher quality modes.

Re:Tivo capture resolution (3, Informative)

Otto (17870) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712899)

32 Khz audio is all you need to accurately reproduce NTSC sound because the NTSC spec says that the maximum frequency is 16 Khz. Thus says Shannon's Law/Nyquist's theorem.

Re:Tivo capture resolution (3, Informative)

bani (467531) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712912)

32khz is the *absolute minimum* for capturing 16khz according to Shannon/Nyquist. In reality you want a bit extra for breathing room, because analogue audio isn't algorithm-on-paper perfect.

Well, try capture at 32khz and 44.1khz. You *will* notice a difference.

Re:Tivo capture resolution (3, Informative)

bani (467531) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712903)

Oops. Just noticed we were talking about DBS, not NTSC broadcast. ;P

Anyone know what resolutions the various DBS broadcasters use?

Home Brewed? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2712906)

I still want to build my own set top box. I keep doing the research and finding possible hardware parts and code to run on it.

Slim, black desktop cases are hard to find, but are out there. "Micro-Flex" type ATX motherboards help matters.

Anybody else working on something like this?

TiVo is awesome (1)

zer0vector (94679) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712918)

Here at my apartment, my roommates and I have DirecTiVo and its great. There is definitely no drop in the picture quality for recorded programming. One of the best features is the ability to pause live TV for up to 30 minutes. Basically, you see a show you want to watch, pause it, troll Slashdot for 30 minutes, and then go back and watch the show, fast forwarding through all the commercials. What a wonderful world we live in.

Comaring the Taco-snotters? (-1)

The WIPO Troll (267426) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712925)

By The WIPO Troll [slashdot.org] , $Revision: 1.13 $

Why have I been receiving emails from some guy called "CmdrTaco," in which he seems to be speaking in some kind of code language?

You have been receiving email from a certain
Robert "CmdrTaco" Malda [cmdrtaco.net] , owner of the popular technology website Slashdot [slashdot.org] . Actually, it's not a very "popular" site in the common sense of the word; the site is rife with pimply, antisocial geeks, zit-faced nerds, dirty GNU hippies [yahoo.com] and communists, and other societal rejects. It's also home to the world's most infamous pædophile ring, the "Slashdot crew."
Whenever CmdrTaco gets bored (and who wouldn't, running a site like
Slashdot all day), he roams through the Slashdot database, penis in hand, looking for people who might enjoy engaging in homosexual orgies with him. How he determines this is anyone's guess; but if you have a homosexual-sounding nickname, or a nick with the letter P or E in it, you're in trouble.
And this time, he found
you. Lucky you.
CmdrTaco's code language is relatively easy to decipher. He prefers to speak in thinly-veiled sexual innuendo to evade the watchful (but relatively stupid) eye of Slashdot's parent corporation,
VA Software [yahoo.com] . CmdrTaco's "Commander" is, of course, his penis -- a small, withered little thing that lives in his pants and only comes out in the presence of other male geeks or at the beck and call of CmdrTaco's own lubed-up right hand. His "Taco bells" are the shriveled testicles that droop beneath his Commander, and his "Taco sauce" is his thick, gooey semen. It should be more than obvious to you now what he means if he asked you to "ring his Taco bells" or "taste his gourmet Taco sauce."
Lastly, there is the practice he refers to as "Taco-snotting" and the more revolting "circle-snot."

Good Lord. What is "Taco-snotting?"

"Taco-snotting" is the term used by CmdrTaco to refer to an act of fellating a homosexual man (or unwilling heterosexual; CmdrTaco is rumoured to prefer rape), then blowing the semen out his nose onto the face and body of his partner or victim. Naturally, a long, bubbly stream of milky-white semen is
left on CmdrTaco's face [yahoo.com] , dribbling out of his nose and down his cheek: hence the term, "Taco-snotting."
A "circle-snot" is a Taco-snotting
circle-jerk, another practice common among the Slashdot crew. CmdrTaco, CowboiKneel [aol.com] , and Homos get together and snot each other with their gooey, sticky cum -- spooging their jizz-snot all over each other's faces and pasty, white bodies, until they're covered head to toe with their own and each other's man juice. This vile ritual can go on for hours. For the homosexual penetration that follows this lengthy foreplay, Roblowme is usually there to provide plenty of anal lubricant; he owns a limo service and has ample supplies of motor oil and axle grease ready to go.
To complete this perverted orgy, fellow geeks Michael, Timothy, and Jamie will usually join in, dressed in tight leather mock-S.S. uniforms, jack boots, and leather gloves. The whole group then proceeds to snot each other's spunk and whip each other's pudgy asses with riding crops and chains until their pale, white geek bodies are exhausted and soaked in stinking sweat from the hours of passionate, homosexual revelry.

Ewwwwww. So, can I stop receiving these emails?

Hopefully.
You most likely forgot to uncheck the "Willing to Taco-snot" checkbox in your account preferences. CmdrTaco has probably already got the hots for your wad, and he's probably already been lurking outside your bathroom window for weeks with a camera, some tissues and lube. There's no escaping a geek in heat, so it's probably too late for you, but you can possibly rectify this situation. To remove yourself from CmdrTaco's sights, log into your Slashdot account, go to your user page, click on
Messages, and uncheck the box next to "Willing to Taco-snot." Maybe he'll ignore you. Probably not.

I can't stop receiving these emails from CmdrTaco!?

If you indulge him in a Taco-snot or two, he
might leave you alone. You might also want to look into mail filtering, restraining orders, or purchasing a heavy, blunt object capable of warding off rampaging homosexual geeks in heat. Trust me, when they charge... oh, the humanity. If he gets you, and you let him Taco-snot you, you will most likely end up tied up in his basement to be used as his sex slave for the rest of your life (or until he accidentally drowns you in spunk in a circle-snot).

Have you ever been Taco-Snotted?

Unfortunately, yes. I first met CmdrTaco at an
Open Source Convention [yahoo.com] . He invited me back to his room for a game of Quake and some "gourmet Tacos," but when I got there, he jumped me and tied me to his bed, stripping me. After taking his "Commander" out of his pants, Mr. Taco made me suck the withered thing six times. He then performed his vile Taco-snotting ritual on me three times over the next two hours, bringing me to orgasm after sweaty, mind-numbing orgasm... then he snotted my own milky-white jizz back onto my face, into my mouth, then again on my exposed belly.
CmdrTaco invited several of his Open Source (or rather, "Open Sauce" -- man sauce) buddies over to continue the twisted snotfest. Linux Torvalds
raped my ass [yahoo.com] with his "monolithic kernel [yahoo.com] ," and Anal Cox used his "network stack" in a multitude of unspeakable ways on and in every orifice in my defenseless body. Michael was there in his leather Nazi uniform, caning my ass with a bamboo pole and ranting about "all those Censorware freaks out to get him."
How did you finally escape, you ask? After about 16 hours of countless homosexual atrocities perpetrated against my restrained body, they all finally went to sleep on top of me, sweat-soaked and exhausted. I was left there, covered in bubbly, translucent jizz-snot, chained to the bed, with half a dozen fat, pasty-white fags lying around and on top of me. Fortunately the spooge coating my flesh worked wonderfully as a lubricant; I was able to squirm my way out of the handcuffs and slip out the back door. I'm just glad I survived the ordeal. These geeks had a lot of built-up spunk in their wads -- I could've easily been drowned!

That's horrible. Does "Taco-snotting" have anything to do with CmdrTaco's "special taco"?

No, that's a different disgusting perversion CmdrTaco indulges himself in. CmdrTaco is usually not satisfied with merely snotting your own jizz back onto your face, he most often enjoys involving his own bodily fluids in his twisted games.
WeatherTroll [slashdot.org] has spent some time trying to educate the Slashdot readership about this vile practice (emphasis added):
You may be wondering what CmdrTaco's "special taco" is. You will be wishing that you hadn't been wondering after you finish reading this post. To make his "special taco", CmdrTaco takes a taco shell and
shits on it. He then adds lettuce, jacks off on the taco, and adds a compound to make the person who eats the taco unconscious. Of course, the compound does not make the person unconscious until the taco is fully eaten. Thus CmdrTaco force-feeds the taco to the unsuspecting victim.
After the victim is unconscious, he is held against his will and used for CmdrTaco's nefarious sexual purposes. This includes shoving taco shells up the victim's ass, Taco-snotting, and getting Jon Katz involved.
Completely different, yet no less revolting. It should be clear to you now that CmdrTaco is a very, very sick individual, as are most of the Slashdot editors.

Does Jon Katz get involved in any of this? I thought he was a pædophile, not a homosexual.

Actually, Jon Katz is a homosexual pædophile. He's also a coprophiliac, and, many suspect, a zophile. Jon Katz is somewhat of a loner and doesn't involve himself in circle-snots. Mr. Katz usually engages in a game called "
Katz juicy-douching [aol.com] " with his harem of little-boy slaves: a vile practice which involves administering an enema to himself of the little boy's urine (forced out of them with a pair of pliers), spooging the vile muck from his ass back into the enema bag, then squirting and slathering the goo all over himself, and the little boy's chained-up and naked bodies. If he's in the mood, he will sometimes skip refilling the enema bag and just squirt it from his ass [yahoo.com] onto his boys. Unwilling boys are further tortured with the pliers until they comply and allow Mr. Katz to juicy-douche them for the rest of their lives.
As I already said, Mr. Katz is
also a zophile. As if the sexual escapades with the helpless little boys aren't enough, Jon usually enjoys his juicy-douches best when his penis is firmly planted in a female goat's anus [yahoo.com] . He is also rumoured to get off on watching his little boys eat the goat's small, bean-like turds.

...Are you getting hard writing this?

Why, yes. :) Join me in a WIPO-snot?

No, thanks. I'm already CmdrTaco's boi toi.

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RECENT READER COMMENTS

Once comments have been archived by Slashdot, they're removed from the Official Taco-Snotting FAQ. However much I would like to paste 200k crapfloods into Slashdot, my browser is a piece of shit and won't let me!

  1. Re:Taco-Powered Christmas Snot (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.15 7:05 (#2707493 [slashdot.org] )

    Has this been submitted to linuxdoc.org yet?

  2. Re:Bye bye Windows! (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.15 5:12 (#2707245 [slashdot.org] )

    That may be true, but have you made love to a wombat today?

  3. Re:That's my department, boy! (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward (actually afree87 [slashdot.org] ) on 2001.12.15 2:51 (#2706921 [slashdot.org] )

    Wow, WipoTroll, you really know how to snot! And you can scramble Slashdot's HTML, too! I love boys who do that! Come over to my place sometime!

  4. Re:CmdrTaco BANNED FOR LIFE from Taco Bell!!!!!! (Score:-1)
    by WeatherTroll [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.15 2:48 (#2706907 [slashdot.org] )

    CmdrTaco only goes to Taco Bell to get their hot sauce, and to solicit hot sauce enemas from underage male employees. He makes his own tacos.

  5. Re:Snottle OSnotX, BSnotD, and Snottan Snottard (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward (actually afree87 [slashdot.org] ) on 2001.12.15 2:47 (#2706900 [slashdot.org] )

    We love you, WipoTroll! We want you to snot us, WipoTroll!

  6. Re:Bye bye Windows! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.15 1:35 (#2706675 [slashdot.org] )

    I want some Taco-snot! Where can I get some?

  7. Re:Bye bye Windows! (Score:-1)
    by JonKatz on [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.15 0:29 (#2706495 [slashdot.org] )

    Please, please, please Taco-snot me. I know I would love it almost as much as fucking young boys. Pleadingly, JonKatz

  8. Important Information For Slashdot Users (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.14 3:09 (#2702660 [slashdot.org] )

    It has recently come to my attention that the entire Slashdot crew engage in homosexual activities. CmdrTaco [cmdrtaco.net] is one such person, and has dedicated his life to spreading the ideals of Taco-Snotting while enjoying the benefits of it. For further information on Taco-Snotting please refer to George WIPO Bush's Taco-Snotting FAQ which can be easily found by searching for the Slashdot journal of George WIPO Bush or by looking in the comments of Slashdot articles (Usually modded -1).

    It has also come to my attention that CmdrTaco [cmdrtaco.net] has other interests besides homosexuality (Believe it or not). One such interest includes a budding music career with a song titled "Gaping Anus". The details are sketchy on this topic but I [geocities.com] do know that besides the lead vocals of CmdrTaco [cmdrtaco.net] , it includes Timothy and CowboyNeal (Also members of the Slashdot crew). There has been no release date set for this album or which record label it will be produced under. I [geocities.com] believe CmdrTaco [cmdrtaco.net] is planning to set up his own label, Taco-Snotting Records [riaa.com] , with the intention of releasing [amazon.com] the song on a cd-single with various remixes as soon as possible (To catch the current popularity of the Taco-Snotting fad). On a side note, I [geocities.com] would not believe this fad will ever wear out (like a Snotted-out-geek); I [geocities.com] am sorry to say Taco-Snotting is here to stay :-(. Various remixes of Gaping Anus will include: "Extra Jizz", "Snot Me Baby One More Time", "www.Goatse.cx" [goatse.cx] , and "Once You Taco-Snot, You Can't Stop". I [geocities.com] am sure many, many, more are sure to come. I [geocities.com] predict this album will be a very hot seller this holiday season, especially with in or out of closet homosexuals, and with those who have no self-respect (Readers of Slashdot).

    Through a good, non-homosexual friend of mine, I [geocities.com] have recieved a copy of the lyrics to the Gaping Anus musical composition. Included after the lyrics is a very speical tribute written by yours truely. Perhaps CmdrTaco [cmdrtaco.net] will ask me to provide the vocals. Please feel free to read the lyrics and post your comments and disgust. E-mail CmdrTaco with this disgust also.

    BTW, please do not reply with the intention of flaming me because the lyrics are a rip-off of Insane Clown Posse's [insaneclownposse.com] "Slim Anus" [realjuggalos.com] . For more information on ICP and Slim Anus refer here [planet-eminem.com] and here [mp3mtv.com] . CmdrTaco [cmdrtaco.net] is the author of this fine musical work and not me [geocities.com] . So, it is obviously he who has ripped off ICP and not me [geocities.com] . Thank you.

    Read the rest of this shit... [slashdot.org]

  9. Re:Snotback: Snotto, Snotz, Snottion (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.14 2:44 (#2702581 [slashdot.org] )

    you know, every time i read this i want to punch you more and more. the taco snotting thing is old, lame, boring, and over done. it never was remotely funny or good though. it sounds like a 10th grader wrote it too. so please, go play in traffic or shut the fuck up so real trolls can post.

  10. Re:Italics are yummy! (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Super Mario Troll [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.14 2:33 (#2702535 [slashdot.org] )

    Keep up the good work! Educate the masses to the dangers of Taco-Snotting!

    It's a me, the Super Mario Troll!
    Would you like to see my gaping troll anus [goatse.cx]
  11. Re:Italics are yummy! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.14 1:41 (#2702370 [slashdot.org] )

    WIPO - Man you trolls are shit compared to Egg Trolls troll's. Egg Man is just so much more original.

  12. Re:The WIPO Troll Announces Portable Snotbox (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.07 7:58 (#2669658 [slashdot.org] )

    That leaky sound you hear is CmdrTaco pissing himself after seeing this.

    Slashdot trolling just got a whole lot easier...

    http://www.geocities.com/frostpist/

    Spread the word!

  13. Re:The WIPO Troll Announces Portable Snotbox (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.07 5:48 (#2669422 [slashdot.org] )

    Q: Is CmdrTaco gay?

    A: He Mos' certainly is!

  14. Re:The WIPO Troll Announces Portable Snotbox (Score:-1)
    by GaylordFucker [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.07 5:39 (#2669394 [slashdot.org] )

    not to mention... The WIPO Troll used himself as a test subject to try out the portable snotbox... i await your results and hope your product gets approved...

    Regards,
    Gay

    Get that rats nest off your head, you numbskull -- Wesley Willis

  15. Re:Portable Snotcube! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.07 3:58 (#2669117 [slashdot.org] )

    stfu. no one really cares about your lame little "troll". make some new material (not that anything you've ever said is worth a damn..)

  16. Re:Yum yum taco-snotting! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.02 22:15 (#2644499 [slashdot.org] )

    Dear SLASH crew - this post makes it clear why you need to add a new category - "tell it like it is (+1)"

  17. This is getting old (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.02 20:14 (#2644227 [slashdot.org] )

    Hey dicksuck, why don't you come up with new troll material? Everyone has seen the tacosnotting 100 times already. Fuckwit. Assholage. Gay. Lick my anal nectar.

  18. Fucking hilarious too bad it didnt get a 5:Funny (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.02 19:01 (#2644105 [slashdot.org] )

    this is good shit man

  19. Re:Taco-snotting@Home! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Dark_Cobra87 [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.01 23:03 (#2642180 [slashdot.org] )

    Oops, forgot to check that Taco-snot option...

  20. Re:Fuck Linux! Fuck him hard! (Score:-1)
    by Fecal Troll Matter [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.01 20:55 (#2641791 [slashdot.org] )

    Mmmmmmm, Taco Sauce... [galeon.com]

    Sig (appended to the end of comments you post, 120 chars)

  21. Look (Score:-1)
    by ArchieBunker [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.01 20:19 (#2641679 [slashdot.org] )

    I love trolling but this shit is getting old, fast. At least start mixing them up a little bit. How about the 'How OSM was Freed' series?

    http://www.naawp.org/

  22. Re:Congratulations! You have been WIPO'd!! (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.01 8:37 (#2640602 [slashdot.org] )

    Stop posting this! I've got hangover and Taco Snotting doesn't make me feel any better.

    I'm really glad that Taco Snotting is illegal here in Europe.

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Copyright © 2001
The WIPO Troll [slashdot.org] . Verbatim crapflooding of this document is permitted in any medium, provided this copyright notice is preserved, and next time you take a dump, you think of the WIPO Troll and all he's done to make Slashdot a better place.

Your out of luck with Dish Network... (1)

bteeter (25807) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712932)

At least that's what I've been told and found. We have Dish Network and I'd love to get a PVR like Tivo, but no one supports them. Them being Dish Network.

Oh well. We'll have to stick with good old-fashioned VCR's. :-)

Take care,

Brian
--
Just a few free Palm m100's left... [assortedinternet.com]
--

Re:Your out of luck with Dish Network... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2712975)

Of course, by "good old-fashioned VCR" you mean "bad" and just plain "old."

MPEG2 (2, Informative)

vman3197 (544320) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712953)

The DISH PVR simply records the originally satellite MPEG2 source - so it should be the same quality as the originally received signal you get from your satellite. I have the 501 and note no difference between viewing live or recorded programs, even in S-video. However, if you have not already purchased the unit, you may want to check on the ReplayTV unit - it claims to work with satelllites and would have the benefit of being usable with cable or any other service you may have or change to in the future, while the Dish PVR will ONLY record from DISH satellite. Don't get me wrong - I love my unit, but I also have local cable and really wish I could record off it as well.

Possibility (1)

bluenirve (470125) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712958)

Does anyone think it would be possible to get someone with TiVo, copy the linux data to a CD-R, then make your own PVR without the charge with your own linux box? (might not be ethical... but would it work?)

Tivo vs. Dishplayer 7200 (1)

Bimble (28588) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712961)

I haven't had experience with any newer Dish PVRs, but I did use the Dishplayer 7200 for a while. I had used a Tivo before it, and use a Tivo now. I don't know how the newer Dish PVRs compare, but if they're anything like the 7200, then I'd recommend the Tivo.

The Dishplayer 7200 did have excellent picture quality, and the ability to browse the listing of recorded shows and to set up new recordings while live TV is still displayed in a smaller picture in the corner was also an advantage over the Tivo.

The Tivo (the normal unit for use with Dish, not the DirecTV version) has comparable picture quality at "best" recording quality, but can't hold as many shows at that quality as the Dishplayer. The Tivo has better options for setting up regular recordings, and its practice of filling unused space with "recommended" recordings is pretty nice. You also have more control over when (or whether) a given recording is deleted automatically on the Tivo.

I gave up on the Dishplayer and went with the Tivo again for two reasons. The first was that the Tivo downloads program information in the background, allowing you to continue using the unit, while the Dishplayer would need to lock the viewer out for 45 minutes around 3am to download program data. I found that the only thing that keeps the update from happening on the Dishplayer was either user intervention or a scheduled recording - if you were, say, recording something from the Dishplayer to a VCR, the Dishplayer had no problem interrupting the playback to update.

The other reason, the biggest reason, was that my Dishplayer 7200 was unstable. It wasn't often, but it was often enough - sometimes I'd make a selection, and the unit would reboot, an action that would cancel a recording in progress - very annoying. It would also sometimes lock up, and I'd discover hours later that it had missed any shows that were on during the lock-up period (I'd have to turn it off then back on to reset it). Finally, and worst, I twice had spontaneous resets delete _all_ recorded programs. That was heartbreaking.

With the Tivo, I've had occasional unexpected reboots that have interrupted recordings, but they haven't been as frequent as the Dishplayer, and they've never resulted in anything worse than one interrupted recording. The reduced recorded show capacity and requirement for a phone line to download updates is far outweighed by the stability of the unit and its flexible recording options.

Again, I don't know if newer Dish PVRs use the same software as the 7200 (which was capable of WebTV access as well). If they don't, there's hope for them. But I haven't had anything to complain about with my Tivo.

DirecTv w/Tivo (1)

thumbtack (445103) | more than 12 years ago | (#2712970)

I recently bought one (Philips with Tivo)for several reasons. To begin with it will decode Dolby Digital and Dolby surround sound, and has an optical output to send it to my home theatre receiver. So I got a higher end receiver, with the added feature of Tivo, cheaper than either the Tivo or Dolby surround would have been. It took a while to setup (as compared to the original box, but the advantages gained for $99 over the existing box were really quite great. The dolby surround version was something like $299+ the last time I checked.

Being able to watch one channel while I record another is a feature I find I use quite often. I've had DirecTv for a year now and haven't been sorry at all. (of course the cable guy was a little miffed that I used their wire to get it into the house, and they had to run new cable for the internet cable), And it beats the Digital cable quality as the run from my dish is less than 50ft, rather than 15 miles(even with amps etc.)

I have it on it's own UPS (I had a spare) which is actually pretty cool, as I can watch TV even when the power goes out (for a while anyway). Makes you realize that if it hadn't been for Mr Edison and his staff, we would all be sitting around in the dark watching tv...
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