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Chilean Monks Need Linux Help?

Cliff posted more than 12 years ago | from the starting-from-scratch dept.

Linux 66

Inexile2002 asks: "Ok, I'm going to Chile this Xmas season, and a distant second cousin of mine, a monk in a Dominican monastary emailed me requesting that I bring copies of and set up Linux on their machines and network. I've NEVER set up a Linux network before, won't have reliable internet access when I'm there (if I have it at all) and to top it all off, would really rather set this up in Spanish for the non bi-lingual monks. (My spanish, of course, is weak and useless when discussing computers) For someone who doesn't know Linux well and won't be able to check online help, what is the best hard copy Linux help out there? Is there a Spanish Linux? Will the monks, once they do have reliable net connections, be able to seek bilingual online help?" We've all been in this position before, but the multi-lingual angle is a new twist. Do any of you have any hints, or suggestions to pass along to Inexile2002?

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What do they need it for? (0, Offtopic)

arrow (9545) | more than 12 years ago | (#2715405)

I hope i'm not the only one that, after I read this, wondered what the heck monks need linux for?

Taking Microsoft bashing to a whole new level?

Three reasons (1)

lastninja (237588) | more than 12 years ago | (#2715808)

Maybe they want a more socialy acceptable reason for beeing virgins?
Perhaps they saw a photo of RMS and mistook him for someone else (guess who).
They tired of waiting for Jesux

Re:What do they need it for? (2)

larien (5608) | more than 12 years ago | (#2715940)

Well, we had a question in a pub quiz asking what some monks had made an extra pocket in their outfits for... Turns out they needed an extra pocket for their mobile phones.

Just because they're monks doesn't mean that they are closetted introverts who never speak to anyone; remember that it was monks who invented beer! Mmm, beer good....:)

As far as linux goes, it's free and churches are no longer as rich as they once were, so they may be keen to save some money. Also, any MS license fee saved is more money for the needy/poor/sick/whatever, which should interest any worthy christian.

Re:What do they need it for? (2)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 12 years ago | (#2716194)

Monks didn't invent beer. But they sure make some damned fine lambics.

(Beer, as a fermented grain based beverage, is much older than monks or monasteries. There is some evidence that suggests that using grain as a food is NOT what caused man to cease to be nomadic. Rather, some believe it was to ferment the grain. So, yes, we are all descended from people who were trying to get drunk on a regular basis.

Damn. Can't wait for that brown ale to finish carbonating...)

Re:What do they need it for? (2, Informative)

Inexile2002 (540368) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717008)

They want it because they're sick of Microsoft, they hear good things and well... who knows - they're monks - I don't pretend to understand how they think. My cousin emailed me and asked me to spend a few days helping him out. I agreed.

Shaolinux Temple? (2, Funny)

Ivan Raikov (521143) | more than 12 years ago | (#2715413)

So, is this the Shaolinux temple, mentioned in the signature of a Slashdor poster?

Yeah... Here's a Suggestion (0, Insightful)

TRoLLaXoR (181585) | more than 12 years ago | (#2715417)

Use FreeBSD.

Why would you fuck with something that needs so much tinkering in a situation like this?

KISS-- keep it simple, stupid.

Linux in spanish (3, Informative)

digitalmuse (147154) | more than 12 years ago | (#2715423)

hmmm, well, for starters you might wish to look at www.linuxdoc.org/linuxfocus/Castellano [linuxdoc.org] which I would assume is a repository of Spanish-language documentation for Linux.
There is also the Debian translation repository at: www.debian.org/international/Spanish [debian.org]

And if you're interested in a Red-Hat based distribution that is supposed to have a fairly complete collection of spanish instructions, check out: conectiva.com [conectiva.com] . These guys also have a spanish-language publication that you might be interested in looking into. You might even want to sign up your new admin for a year or so.

hmmm, it's amazing what you can find in 15 seconds with Google, isn't it?

More on Conectiva Re:Linux in spanish (4, Informative)

morcego (260031) | more than 12 years ago | (#2715656)

Conectiva has an office in Santiago, Chile.
I think that can help you a lot, once you can phone then.

URL: http://www.conectiva.cl/
Phone: (562) 3790930
Fax: (562) 3790626

Re:More on Conectiva Re:Linux in spanish (2)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 12 years ago | (#2716207)

Heck, I bet they'd be willing to personally help in exchange for the free publicity.

"Linux Helps Monks. More Money For Orphans"

Re:More on Conectiva Re:Linux in spanish (2)

Remote (140616) | more than 12 years ago | (#2730331)

Sure! Shell out some money, they give you a box of a distro that ships with 2.4.5-9 binaries with 2.4.5-8 sources. One which rpm doesnt unpack, btw...

Then you try to compile a driver for some hardware.

Then you ask about the source and they say "kernel compilation" is not included in the basic support package.

Then you go to their website and you cant find the damn thing!

Then, if you have a Win machine at the monastery, you just d/l a 30MB tar from kernel.org.

Informative my ass!

Re:Linux in spanish (1)

hether (101201) | more than 12 years ago | (#2719963)

And even more amazing that what you find off google and post in about 23 seconds (had to wait before hitting enter you know) gets modded up as informative.

Monk with plenty of time. (0)

User0x45 (530857) | more than 12 years ago | (#2715479)

Start them off right.
Slackware 8.0
and the book Running Linux, by Walsh

This approach is typically known as the
one involving a lot of time but in the
end it is worth it for the good foundational
education.

Seems perfect for monks. (Just don't mention
the chuch of the sub-genius, or Bob)

--user#0x45

Re:Monk with plenty of time. (1)

Ivan Raikov (521143) | more than 12 years ago | (#2715599)

Well, if the monks don't know English, it would be very difficult for them to acquire the technical knowledge necessary to understand and operate Unix.

And actually, I think that would be true for any platform -- it's much better to have a full-time support person.

The only exception in the case might be Macintosh -- Macs have always had localized, well-translated versions of their system software for most languages. Of course, they are much more expensive.

Ekk thats a tough one. (4, Insightful)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 12 years ago | (#2715486)

Umm burn yourself copies of EVERY HOWTO you might even remotly think you need, EVERY major kernel version, EVERY driver you might think possible. I'd also contact them ahead of time and try to found out what the computers are, and as much info about the hardware as they can possibly provide. If they are old, you may have some SERIOUS headaches. You may also want to bring a few copies of BSD just in case.
And of course pray, pray heavily, pray often. Oh yea and before you leave, practice practice, practice, practive. Oh yea did I say practice. Installing linux on most likly old computers, you havn't seen which don't have an internet connection is a job only the most brave should take. If you can accomplish this, mention this at any tech job, you will be instantly hired. Oh yea, bring a laptop if you can with linux and windows and whatever network connection and dialup equipment you can find just in case. Oh yea, and do like the monks. Pray!

Re:Ekk thats a tough one. (2, Insightful)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 12 years ago | (#2715503)

Oh yea, as mentioned by someone else. Monks have plenty of time, and enjoy learning. Use this to your advantage, if you can get even 1 computer setup, show them how you did it, give them instructions, and let them learn. Which in my opinion is the best way to learn linux anyways.

Re:Ekk thats a tough one. (5, Funny)

arrow (9545) | more than 12 years ago | (#2715547)

Can you imagine a beowulf cluster of Monks praying that your install goes sucessfuly?!

OT Re:Ekk thats a tough one. (2)

msouth (10321) | more than 12 years ago | (#2715699)

LOL!

would that I had mod points for you.

mike

Re:Ekk thats a tough one. (1)

marnerd (3934) | more than 12 years ago | (#2716802)

I think you mean "beowulf cloister", in this case...

Re:Ekk thats a tough one. (2)

biglig2 (89374) | more than 12 years ago | (#2719729)

Gak, and to think I wasted my mod points this morning modding down some porno-crap-flooder.

BSD is not for monks! (2)

Pseudonymus Bosch (3479) | more than 12 years ago | (#2725525)

to bring a few copies of BSD just in case.

BSD? That with a picture of a little devil? To monks? Vade retro Satana!!

Windows? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2715493)

I'd tell those fucking monks to install XP and be happy. *Very* happy.

SuSE (3, Informative)

scotpurl (28825) | more than 12 years ago | (#2715558)

SuSE in Brazilan: http://www.suse.de/br/
SuSE in Spanish: http://www.suse.de/es/

Haven't tried either, but kudos to the company in recognizing that Portugese and Spanish aren't the same language.

pt_BR and pt_PT (2)

Pseudonymus Bosch (3479) | more than 12 years ago | (#2725532)

recognizing that Portugese and Spanish aren't the same language.

I wonder why, while Spanish speakers usually require just one Spanish version, the Brazilian and the Portuguese ask for diferent translations.

Are both dialects so different?

Re:pt_BR and pt_PT (1)

pyros (61399) | more than 12 years ago | (#2727864)

yes

Re:pt_BR and pt_PT (2)

scotpurl (28825) | more than 12 years ago | (#2729570)

English: How are you?
Spanish: Cómo es usted?
Portugese: Como são você?

And that's just a start. The pronounciation is different, and worst of all, some Portugese speakers are offended if you speak only Spanish to them. Point of pride, I guess, like Quebec French speakers.

Re:pt_BR and pt_PT (2)

Remote (140616) | more than 12 years ago | (#2730343)

Not really, but computed-related terms are very different.

Re:SuSE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2726644)

I've installed SUSE 7.3 professional here at home, and used the Spanish language install, after doing an English langauge install (My wife is a native Spanish speaker, my Spanish skills are weak). The language selection occurs early in the sequence, and after that point all your prompts and information will appear in the selected language (which is why seeing the english version first helps to decode what is really going on). There are a number of different levels of internationalization you can do (the most basic occurs when you pick install language and keyboard, you can do a different level when you install KDE). I suggest trying it here in the U.S. a few times before you go there, first in English and then in Spanish.

One thing you need to be aware of is that the Spanish language keyboard has a different layout, so you may not find some useful symbols where you expect, it might be a good idea to have a printout of the keyboard layout before installing a Spanish language keyboard encoding on a typical U.S. style keyboard (your keycaps will not be accurate). I have had good luck with KDE, so I have not tried gnome at all. In KDE you fire up the control center, and select personalization->country and language option to configure the keyboard and language for KDE to use under personalization. Gnome might have really good Mexican dialect Spanish language support since they have a Mexican project leader (I think his name is Miguel Icaza).

Before you go, I suggest that you find out what hardware they have. You might get lucky and find an an exact match to practice on, or determine that they have winprinters or winmodems or some other Linux unfriendly stuff, it is best to know before you start. You can get the reference materials in English and look for Linux installation hints (it never hurts to do that Google search on "linux part problem" and see what comes up). Additionally you probably want to know the Spanish dialect closest to what the monks use, since the dialects can be quite different for certain terms (Mexican or Colombian Spanish may be
a reasonable default choice).

Lame moderation means less information (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2730472)

Interesting that helpful and direct answers to this guys question like the one above aren't modded up. Wonder why?

Hmmm, Linux Monks... [Longish] (0)

Slipped_Disk (532132) | more than 12 years ago | (#2715562)

OK, if you walk into the temple and they're sacrificing penguins or daemons, turn around and walk out FAST! (If on the other hand they're sacrificing WinXP CDs, kindly let the rest of us know so we can join the fun :))

Seriously now, bring copies of every major distribution you can think of - off the top of my head at least RedHat (7.2), Debian (Potato or Woody, whatever the latest stable release is) and SlackWare (haven't kept up but whatever the latest is). I've also heard good things about Mandrake and SuSE but I've never used either personally.

Make sure you bring something that works on Macs too just in case (you may want to actually spring for a copy of OSX if they are running recent Mac hardware. Also, on the off chance that they have some genuinely freaky hardware, bringing along a NetBSD CD couldn't hurt.

You should also bring along soft copies of every howto you think you'll need (and at least hard copies of everything you'll need to get a system installed and running in case you hit any snags). Since you said your Spanish is marginal, you may want to run some of the howtos through babelfish [digital.com] . The translations are quite honestly crappy, but they're good enough that they should be workable.

Best of luck - You'll probably need it!

Re:Hmmm, Linux Monks... [Longish] (2)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 12 years ago | (#2715818)

Have you read many howtos, I bet babblefish couldn't do much worse, it would probably atleast clean up their grammer some.

Spanish (1, Interesting)

nadie (536363) | more than 12 years ago | (#2715566)

I have setup machines in Guatemala using SuSE. It gave me the option early in the setup process to choose the language, so I went with Spanish as there was no choice for Kiche or Mam.

I didn't have the cd's with me, so I did a ftp install, it took overnight on their 64k connection. SuSE has pdf's of all their manuals in Spanish, so if you can print those out, the monks can learn all about Linux.

And I recently saw a site from a Ciber Cafe in Columbia that ran everything on Linux, I seem to remember them running a support group as well.

You might want to find out if there is a local Linux User Group.

Re:Spanish (1)

nadie (536363) | more than 12 years ago | (#2715765)

You might want to find out if there is a local Linux User Group.

Like this [gulich.cl] one!

Best stuff (3, Informative)

Graymalkin (13732) | more than 12 years ago | (#2715570)

Two of the best Liux books I've read are Running Linux and Learning GNU/Debian Linux both published by O'Reilly. Running Linux has tons of info for new Linux users, most of it is day to day stuff but is really great for somebody who isn't going to have access to alot of online resources. Learning GDL, has alot of info about installing and administering Linux (specifically Debian of course) and is the book that would be included with Debian if it included a book. Your distribution of choice isn't really so important as they offer so many of the same things. People will argue until they're blue in the face about it but thats true. I might suggest FreeBSD but the documentation that's easy to pack with you on a trip can be hard to come by and I don't know many books written about it for novice users. I suggest hitting up somewhere like Cheapbytes of LSL and getting several CDs. Learning GDL comes with a Debian 2.1 (x86) CD (the edition I have has 2.1 at least) You might even want to pick up CDs for different architectures because you never know when someone's going to find some old 68k Mac or something lying around.

Hmmm (2, Insightful)

mattboston (537016) | more than 12 years ago | (#2715608)

I see two thing that could make it easier. One, you learn spanish. Two, they learn english. BTW, how do you plan on installing linux when you don't understand it, and you can't understand the monks???

Re:Hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2715641)

Those are very good points. Really. Now pat yourself on the back and give this guy some *real* advice. You sadistic asshole.

Re:Hmmm (1)

mattboston (537016) | more than 12 years ago | (#2715882)

Sadistic @sshole... Wow, that really means a lot coming from an Anonymous Coward

Re:Hmmm (1)

TakenName (536417) | more than 12 years ago | (#2716989)

I understand Spanish, and for most purposes I'm fluent, but I learned it from my grandmother who wouldn't recognize a computer if it tapdanced into the room singing "I'm a computer!" while accompaning itself on the kazoo. (Frankly, that would freak me out too.) Also, most of the monks who regularly use the computers speak and read english fluently. I just didn't want to shut out the few than don't. As for Linux, I set up Debian on an old system of mine a few months ago, played with it for a day or two then the machine died. So I'm not a COMPLETE neophite, just not very experienced.

Re:Hmmm (2)

Spoing (152917) | more than 12 years ago | (#2725507)

I see two thing that could make it easier. One, you learn spanish. Two, they learn english. BTW, how do you plan on installing linux when you don't understand it, and you can't understand the monks???

[To the original poster]

I ran an international tech support center in Brussles. I can use a variety of national keyboards with one hand while giving demos at local trade shows. Typically American, I only speak English.

Horrid problems handling tech support, right? Nope. I would read anything that came in before handing it out, listen in on the harder phone calls, even if it was in Greek.

When most of the important words are technical, it's not that hard. Even the national language menus often make sense if you know how the originals worked.

Before you go, though, practice installing and using a Spanish language setup including the keyboard. Most distributions have some level of Spanish support, and fetching or installing language packs for the apps/window manager can make up for the rest.

Since you have at a minimum one person who you can use as a translator, you aren't stuck. Your main issue is setting up the network. Do that before you go, and copy the configuration files -- or better yet all of /etc -- to a disk for reference later.

In a worst-case situation where some of the machines don't work as you'd like, gather the hardware details and 'fix' the problem at home. Snail mail them the resulting CD with English directions but use as few words as possible and use the exact commands.

Support? (1)

Ivan Raikov (521143) | more than 12 years ago | (#2715616)

So, are you going to have someone to support these machines full-time after you leave the monastery? It seems to me, that while many open-source projects put a lot of effort behind internationalization, there's an enormous wealth of information about Linux that's only in English. I think that would make things difficult for the monks...

Spanish Linux & Stuff (1)

Palin (3182) | more than 12 years ago | (#2715652)

Connectiva Linux would be my first suggestion as it's a distro targetted at latin american countries (Portuguese (sp) & Spanish). My second would probably be Mandrake ... but YMMV.

As far as HOW-TO and notes and everything goes...

Mirror http://www.linuxdoc.org/

And burn it to a CD ROM.

Past that ... have fun and good luck.

What an interesting job you must have (2, Funny)

Cycon (11899) | more than 12 years ago | (#2715676)

We've all been in this position before, but the multi-lingual angle is a new twist.

Well I don't know about you Cliff, but I've never found myself in the position of having to set up a linux network for Chilean Monks, bilingual or not... (c:

--Cycon

Re:What an interesting job you must have (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 12 years ago | (#2716135)

Hahaha...come on, why hasn't anyone modded this up yet?

Re:What an interesting job you must have (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2716479)

Agreed. One of the funnier things I've read on /. in quite some time.

Coincidence? (0, Offtopic)

erpbridge (64037) | more than 12 years ago | (#2715760)

I looked at the ad on top of the page, and saw a picture of a monk... for perlmonks.org

(OK, OK, so I saw that ad a couple days ago also, but I thought it was an odd coincidence that clicking into the story would also have that ad.)

When They Get a reliable Internet connection... (1)

Kheldarstl (543640) | more than 12 years ago | (#2715927)

You may send them here

http://www.linuxdoc.org/links/nenglish.html#span is h

Which is from The Linux Documentation Project it lists several sources for Linux info in Espanol

As far as distro's Slackware is good as is Red Hat, I found Red Hat to be the most useful for me in my business.

Good Luck

Keith

sorry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2715984)

well, i would offer to come along and help, but ufortunately, this christmas i am heading off to greenland to set up a bewolf cluster for some eskimoes. unfortunately, they dont have any computers, but they asked if i could just install it in blocks of ice, which they offered to carve like computers. i have no idea what linux is, or computers, for that matter, but that shouldnt be a problem, right?

Internet access. (4, Informative)

mfarah (231411) | more than 12 years ago | (#2716037)

won't have reliable internet access when I'm there (if I have it at all)

That won't be a problem. As long as you have access to a phone line, you'll be able to get dial-up Internet access in Chile - there are many... er... "on-the-fly & no previous contract" plans from ISPs here that are charged on the phone bill. On the other hand, broadband access is expensive.

As for distros: Conectiva would be the choice here.

Linux is universal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2716042)

So if you look in Google for linux, espanol and distribucion there is a lot of info you can get.
Another thing, COMO means HOWTO in spanish.

All the O'Reilly books are translated to spanish.

Speedy Gonzalez

try SuSE... (3, Informative)

pwagland (472537) | more than 12 years ago | (#2716052)

Hi there,

You may want to consider using SuSE. They have pretty good multilingual support (I use the dutch), you can buy it with Spanish manuals (or at least you could with 7.2, probably still can) and they also have spanish how-tos on the disk. And, assuming the program supports it, it comes with spanish translations for KDE ang GNOME programs as well.

If you are going to be without the internet, this could be an interesting choice I think.

Some of the intersting ones are:
Name : howtoes
Summary : Collection of HOWTOs from the 'Linux Documentation Project' (Spanish)

Name : network_es
Summary : SuSE Linux Manual: Network (spanish)

Name : qappl_es
Summary : SuSE Applikation Manual (spanish)

Name : qconfig_es
Summary : Configuration Manual (spanish)

Name : sdb_es
Summary : SuSE Support-Database (spanish)

Name : susehelp_es
Summary : SuSE Help-System (base)

Name : suselinux-reference_es
Summary : System and Reference Manual (es)

Name : susetour_es
Summary : SuSE Tour spanish

Name : books_es
Summary : Several Linux Books translated to spanish

Bring a portable! (1)

TimFreeman (466789) | more than 12 years ago | (#2716115)

If you take a portable with you that has a functioning network interface, then your first step could be to hook your portable to their Internet connection and then you'll be able to search the Internet for help on the other issues you come across.

Connectiva (2)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 12 years ago | (#2716169)

Isn't Connectiva largely based in South America? Yup [conectiva.com.br] . I thought Brazil was founded by Portugal, but that site looks like Spanish (of course, I have no idea what Portugeuse looks like, so...)

Oh. Here [conectiva.com] is the Spanish link. Start there. You don't have to load Debislackhat on their machines.

Re:Connectiva (2, Interesting)

friscolr (124774) | more than 12 years ago | (#2716469)

I thought Brazil was founded by Portugal, but that site looks like Spanish (of course, I have no idea what Portugeuse looks like, so...)

The default seems to be portuguese. there is a link over on the right to switch between spanish and portuguese. go click and you'll see what the differences between the languages are. I think of Portuguese as being the best parts of Spanish, French and Italian. But if you don't know anything about those languages, that doesn't help. Portuguese has more funny looking letters and accent marks than spanish does.

Things to take into account (2, Informative)

mfos.org (471768) | more than 12 years ago | (#2716256)

The systems you are dealing with may have special needs. Depending on the age they may not have very much memory at all. You may want to consider canabalizing some of the computers for there parts to boost ram.

Sometimes ram can be so problematical that the installation media won't fit into ram. In this case, make one computer with enough ram (canabalize if you have to) that you can install linux on it. It should be nearly identical to all the other computers. Then use that disk image to create the other hard disks for the other machines.

If you have problems with init running out of memory before the system is loaded, use this command at the lilo prompt

lilo: linux init=/bin/ash

That will just load up the ash command prompt (ash has a very tiny memory profile)

You can remount the drives with `mount / -o rw, remount`

Also, you may need to use an earlier kernel, as they take up less space in memory (The entire kernel must be loaded into ram)

It'll be slow, with all the swapping but it should get the job done.

Also read the Small Memory howto at the LDP

get net access (1)

Pyromage (19360) | more than 12 years ago | (#2716493)

The most important thing is net access. Why? Because if you forget something, or don't know how to do something, or have a question, or run out of Bawls, or whatever, if you have net access, you can fix it. I'd suggest seeing if there is something nearby with access. I'm just guessing, but maybe a real cybercafe, or a library or whatever.

take me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2716507)

dude i speak spanish, can set up *bsd, linux networks on any x86/sparc architecture, and havent been to S.A. in a few years. buy me a plane ticket (preferably w/ a stop in Peru) and i'll set it up for them.

Two possible distros (2)

jd (1658) | more than 12 years ago | (#2716712)

Red Hat 7.2 (personally, I STRONGLY recommend the SGI installer for this, as it allows you to use XFS)


SuSE


SuSE is probably the easiest to install, but I've had a hard time with trying to make it do what =I= wanted, as opposed to what =it= wanted.


On the flip-side, Red Hat (which can handle a Spanish language installation, and probably even has the dialect you want!) is only mildly irritating to install, but is MUCH easier to upgrade & manage afterwards, IMHO.


Others suggested d/l every HOWTO on the planet. I agree. Just don't kill off the rainforest in the process.


Installing a network is easy. Don't sweat it. It's no different from installing a standalone box, except that each box needs its own name & IP number, and you need to have one box as a router/DNS server/Mail server. (You can use different machines, but I honestly wouldn't bother.)


To install the network, use the IP numbers 192.168.0.x, where x is some number between 1 and 254. Use 192.168.0.1 as your router & Mail/DNS machine, and tell it to do network address translation (NAT) and packet forwarding. The ISP'll supply the "visible" IP address for that computer, so you can ignore that. That'll be handled by however you're connected up to the Internet. Probably PPPd.


Beyond that, I honestly can't think of any configuration or software you'd need. That should be enough to handle a network of up to 254 machines, with no great sweat. Oh, for e-mail, most clients will be able to pop the mail off the mail server. You're much better off doing things that way than to use fetchmail. Not because it's hard, but because it's one more thing to set up. The LESS you need to worry about, the MORE you can spend time enjoying the experience of creating the world's first Beomonk Cluster.

debian Spanish-speaking fan (2, Informative)

neripunk (180511) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717373)

I switched to Debian a while ago, so it's been some time since I used RedHat or SuSE, but from the point of view of a native speaker of Spanish, I'm quite happy with what they provide. Of course I have a pretty good command of English, so it's tough for me to judge how it would be for a monolingual speaker...

Personally, I'd burn CD images with all the Deian packages. You'd probably want to go with Woody, since it is almost frozen and Potato is quite outdated. Find pointers and instructions at http://cdimage.debian.org/ [debian.org] . This way, you can make the install in English yourself and then install the appropriate packages. There is a very convenient "spanish" task package containing doc-linux-es, manpages-es, ispanish, wspanish and user-es. Then, run the "castellanizar" script found in user-es to have all the possible defaults in Spanish.

Another suggestion is for you to start to practice your Spanish now and make the same question on http://barrapunto.com [barrapunto.com] , a Spanish-speaking slashdot copycat site. Best luck, anyway, I hope you make good converts...

Mini distros (2)

Ratface (21117) | more than 12 years ago | (#2718736)

Another thing you may want to add to your software list is a mini-linux, preferably something that runs from a single floppy such as
http://pocket-linux.coven.vmh.net/about.html.en
or
http://jspiro.tripod.com/linux/hal91.htm
(There's a good list of various distros at
http://www.linux.org/dist/index.html
including various foreign language distros that may be useful)

Here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2718770)

www.esware.com
www.mandrake.com
www.laespiral.org (extra cd's for Debian Potato in Spanish)

export LANG=es (1)

dago (25724) | more than 12 years ago | (#2719210)

just install in english than setup users such as their language is spanish ;)

this works perfectly with SuSE...

Uh... Wow (1, Flamebait)

duffbeer703 (177751) | more than 12 years ago | (#2719665)

Ok,

You don't speak spanish.

You don't know anything about Linux.

You've evidently never heard of things like "telephones" and "modems"

Why are you setting up a network in Chile?

End of the world ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2719685)

Just as long as they are not planning to calculate the Nine Billion Names of God ..... :-)

Snottean Monks Need Snot Help? (-1)

The WIPO Troll (267426) | more than 12 years ago | (#2724662)

By The WIPO Troll [slashdot.org]

CmdrTaco: You sit here, dear.

CowboiKneel: All right.

CmdrTaco (to Waitress): Morning!

Waitress: Morning!

CmdrTaco: Well, what've you got?

Waitress: Well, there's egg and bacon; egg, sausage and bacon; egg and snot [slashdot.org] ; egg, bacon and snot; egg, bacon, sausage, and snot; snot, bacon, sausage, and snot [slashdot.org] ; snot, egg, snot, snot, bacon, and snot; snot, sausage, snot, snot, bacon, snot, tomato, and snot [slashdot.org] ;

Slashdot Crew (starting to chant): Snot, snot, snot, snot...

Waitress: ...Snot, snot, snot [slashdot.org] , egg, and snot; snot, snot, snot, snot, snot, snot, baked beans, snot, snot, snot...

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Waitress: ...or Lobster Thermidor au Crevette with a Mornay sauce served in a Provencale manner with shallots and aubergines garnished with truffle pate, brandy and with a fried egg on top and snot.

CowboiKneel: Have you got anything without snot [slashdot.org] ?

Waitress: Well, there's snot [slashdot.org] , egg, sausage, and snot, that's not got much snot in it.

CowboiKneel: I don't want any snot!

CmdrTaco: Why can't he have egg, bacon, snot [slashdot.org] , and sausage?

CowboiKneel: That's got snot [slashdot.org] in it!

CmdrTaco: Hasn't got as much snot in it as snot, egg, sausage, and snot, has it?

Slashdot Crew: Snot, snot, snot, snot [slashdot.org] ! (crescendo through next few lines)

CowboiKneel: Could you do the egg, bacon, snot [slashdot.org] , and sausage without the snot then?

Waitress: Urgghh!

CowboiKneel: What do you mean "Urgghh?" I don't like snot [slashdot.org] !

Slashdot Crew: Lovely snot! Wonderful snot!

Waitress: Shut up!

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Waitress: Shut up! (Slashdot Crew stops) Bloody Slashdot fags! You can't have egg, bacon, snot and sausage without the snot.

CowboiKneel (shrieks): I don't like snot [slashdot.org] !

CmdrTaco: Sshh, dear, don't cause a fuss. I'll have your snot [slashdot.org] . I love it. I'm having snot, snot, snot, snot, snot, snot, snot, beaked beans, snot, snot, snot, and snot [slashdot.org] !

Slashdot Crew (singing): Snot, snot, snot, snot [slashdot.org] . Lovely snot! Wonderful snot!

Waitress: Shut up!! Baked beans are off.

CmdrTaco: Well could I have his snot [slashdot.org] instead of the baked beans then?

Waitress: You mean snot [slashdot.org] , snot, snot, snot [slashdot.org] , snot, snot [slashdot.org] ...

Slashdot Crew (singing elaborately): Snot, snot, snot, snot. Lovely snot! Wonderful snot! Snot, sno-o-o-o-o-ot, snot, sno-o-o-o-o-ot snot. Lovely snot! Lovely snot! Lovely snot! Lovely snot! Lovely snot! Snot, snot, snot, snot [slashdot.org] !

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Happy Xmas ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#2740914)

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Take Ghost (1)

Beowulf_Boy (239340) | more than 12 years ago | (#2755287)

Or if they are all the same, use DD.
Once you get through the hellish install in another language, DO YOU WANT TO DO IT AGAIN!!???
Hell no,
so take ghost, it can be had "Semi-legally" on Kazaa or other services.
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