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International Space Station: Canada to the Rescue?

chrisd posted more than 12 years ago | from the canada-going-to-bat-for-science dept.

Space 301

Apostata writes "The following story from the Globe and Mail outlines a proposal of the head of the Canadian Space Agency to seek renewed funding for the recently stripped-down NASA budget for the ISS. He makes an interesting point that - contrary to the belief that the ISS is a NASA brainchild/braintrust - many countries have poured $billions$ into it's development and should thus have a say in whether there should be any cutbacks. Read all about it here."

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Canada has a space agency (-1, Flamebait)

slendle84 (443043) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717628)

Where have i been hiding?

Re:Canada has a space agency (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2717664)

Doesn't matter where you've been hiding, the United States refuses to believe that anything of value could come from 'that big cold place, with all those socialists'. Canada has created many things, but people just attach 'Made in United States' to everything made in North America, Canadian or not.

The first part of ISS, is International.. perhaps the rest of the United States should pull their collective heads from their asses and realized that they are just a small part of the world.

Re:Canada has a space agency (1, Redundant)

Nastard (124180) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717722)

You're absolutely right. Only an idiot would form opinions and stereotypes about about an entire country.

Polotics (1)

fishybell (516991) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717629)

The ISS is all about polotics. If any [i]real[i] research is going on in space, it is carried out by individual countries.

very true, but... (2, Insightful)

TheM0cktor (536124) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717636)

i'll probably get modded down to hell for saying this, but wouldn't the mind boggling amounts of money that get ploughed into the ISS be better spent on more, smaller, saner, more economical projects ones that do new/cool[tm] stuff? And what are the benefits (other than PR) of maintaining continuous presence in orbit anyway?

Re:very true, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2717648)

If it takes a continuous presence in the region to bring it stability, I think a small measure of funding is warranted.

Re:very true, but... (2)

zorgon (66258) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717667)

I sincerely hope you don't get modded down, because what you are saying is a very valid position that has been held by many, many scientists around the world but has been utterly ignored by the political backers of the project. The ISS is a great technology testbed and research platform, but should not be funded at the expense of (for example) research on climate change and its implications. But, that is exactly what is occurring. It was predicted years ago, it has come true.

Re:very true, but... (5, Insightful)

s20451 (410424) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717725)

Let me suggest to you that useful but boring space research gets done because we also do exciting but expensive things. That is, it's hard to get the public interested in a fleet of Earth-orbiting atmospheric science satellites, but human spaceflight galvanizes the public interest enough that a few hundred million can sneak past for other, more scientifically interesting research.

I also think that the money spent on the ISS is worth it if the only thing it proves is that a massive international space project requiring detailed co-operation from former military adversaries is even possible. (PS: I'm all for letting the Chinese get on board too). The future of manned spaceflight depends on pan-national co-operation.

Re:very true, but... (1)

nmos (25822) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717878)

"Let me suggest to you that useful but boring space research gets done because we also do exciting but expensive things. That is, it's hard to get the public interested in a fleet of Earth-orbiting atmospheric science satellites, but human spaceflight galvanizes the public interest enough that a few hundred million can sneak past for other, more scientifically interesting research."

In other words the ISS is a really expensive advertising campaign?

Re:very true, but... (5, Interesting)

RollingThunder (88952) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717730)

I can think of two simple benefits off the top of my head.

First, you can have experiments that are easily monitored, altered, and corrected. It's probably cheaper to have an astronaut do the work than to design (and pay for the lift of) the mechanics to do so.

Second, by having experiments inside the permanent structure of the station, you don't need to reproduce the wheel every time you send up an experiment (shielding for radiation and dust, airtight containment, temperature control, etc etc). The station provides all that.

A lot of this could be done with the shuttle - but only as long as it doesn't take too long. I think the max time on orbit for a shuttle is only a couple of weeks, but I'm probably way off. Using the station, you can run a three month long experiment or more... which is really handy if you're studying something like the effect of microgravity on successive generations bred and raised in it.

(As an aside, how they get the mice to have sex in zero g, I'll never figure out. ;) )

Re:very true, but... (1)

charon_on_acheron (519983) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717754)

"(As an aside, how they get the mice to have sex in zero g, I'll never figure out. ;) )"

There was a female comedian in the 60's named Rusty Warren (baudy, burlesque style humor). One of her albums has "Rusty Warren in Orbit" and it covered a few of those areas. Unscientifically, unfortunately. She said she would "have to tie a brick to his fanny to keep him from falling off" if I remember correctly. Of course, we know the brick would be in free fall too, so it wouldn't help. But she had great delivery, so we could overlook those things.

Re:very true, but... (2, Insightful)

aallan (68633) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717757)

I guess I'm going to get modded down for this, but don't get me wrong, I'd love to find a good justification for the manned space program. However, the current scientific program, and the ISS, isn't it...

...you can have experiments that are easily monitored, altered, and corrected. It's probably cheaper to have an astronaut do the work than to design (and pay for the lift of) the mechanics to do so.

Unfortunately there are very few experiments that we've been able to think of that really require an astronaut, most could be done cheaper without the human interferance.

...by having experiments inside the permanent structure of the station, you don't need to reproduce the wheel every time you send up an experiment (shielding for radiation and dust, airtight containment, temperature control, etc etc). The station provides all that.

But you do have to shield ever (delicate) experiment against the humans and the gunk that they produce. That costs.

A lot of this could be done with the shuttle...

The shuttle was, and is, a dead end, and alot of the community argued against it. We should have stuck with disposables until we figured out how to build something that really was SSTO. Unfortunately we still haven't managed it...


Re:very true, but... (1)

TheM0cktor (536124) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717792)

The shuttle was, and is, a dead end, and alot of the community argued against it. We should have stuck with disposables until we figured out how to build something that really was SSTO. Unfortunately we still haven't managed it...

sadly true. The shuttle could have been a prelude to something much better but thats never materialised. I think the problem deep down is that ever since the apollo program ended the adventurous spirit has gone out of space. Sure a lot of good science is still done but its not quiet, gently paced research that makes the world sit up and think.

I'd dare to suggest the only thing that would rekindle a worldwide interest in people going into space would be something extravagant. Mars perhaps, or at least back to the moon.


Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2717828)

BUT I THINK YOU'RE A FAG [slashdot.org]

Re:very true, but... (-1)

I.T.R.A.R.K. (533627) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717829)

"i'll probably get modded down to hell for saying this"

You slack-jawed faggot. Post with some confidence, or you will get modded down.

Why you should be modded down (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2717847)

1) Mind boggling amounts? The total NASA yearly budget is a measly $14 billion out of a total $2 trillion in the federal budget. As for the station being a large part of the total NASA budget, this is true, but did even the Mars Rover get as much attention as the space station does? With no public support NASA is dead.

2) Of course there are benefits.. thinking critically, do you really believe those at NASA, capable of putting a station in space, are going to waste their effort on something with no benefit other than "coolness"? Please. The main reasons besides public image are to gain engineering skill in building large, long-term habitats in space, and to figure out how to keep people in space without having their health deteriorate as it does now.

Look at me, I don't know what I'm talking about! Mods that are clueless like I am, identify with me and give me mod points! Next time try looking it up yourself instead of posting.

Yes, if you want it, you'll have to support it (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2717638)

And don't let America's generosity in the past get in the way of financing these things in the future yourselves. We have to let you sink or swim on your own at some point. Don't worry, we'll be right next to you the whole way.

Kikes (-1)

Ralph JewHater Nader (450769) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717639)

Billions eh? You know the jews are funding the ISS, they're using it to spy on everyone from outer space. This backstabbing zionism must be stopped!

USA sucks my hairy anus-rumples (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2717644)

It's true. We set them up for failure.



groovy (0, Flamebait)

sulli (195030) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717645)

now we can fleece the Canadian taxpayers for this mega-boondoggle.

DUDE! Fleece me harder! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2717787)


Jingoism again? (1, Flamebait)

Exmet Paff Daxx (535601) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717653)

many countries have poured $billions$ into it's development

I think what you meant to say was that many countries have poured billions of Rubles, Drachmas, and Yen into the ISS project. Believe it or not, the world does not revolve around you Americans, even in the financial world. We still have our own currencies, so far.

Here's to hoping the ISS makes it,

Re:Jingoism again? (4, Insightful)

Dimwit (36756) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717668)

No, but Slashdot is an American site, and most of its readers are American. I'm European, but I don't expect Slashdot to put, every time it discusses anything international, every single possible variation on the phrase.

I'm also a little upset with people bitching that the US has limited everyone's access to the ISS. The US has poured far more money into it than any other participant, AND has had to cover for things when other members (Russia, mainly) defaulted on debts. So don't act like it's just the Americans' fault.

Re:Jingoism again? (1, Interesting)

ShadeEagle (153172) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717781)

Keeping in mind... if Slashdot WERE to post EVERY form of currency invested into the ISS, the story would be about 3 times longer than it need be.

Besides... The US Dollar IS the de facto standard on which all other currencies are compared to.

Proud to be Canadian, but mindful of the rest of the world.

Re:Jingoism again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2717864)

billions of $ ~= billions of
us Europens are happy.
Billions of $ ~= more yen.

Re:Jingoism again? (1)

Aheinz1 (532062) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717672)

Sheesh, give it a break. It's obvious that he meant that they have spent what translates into billions of US dollars. If you were nitpicking, you could have at least pointed out the missplaced apostraphe. ;-)

Re:Jingoism again? (1, Flamebait)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717673)

Yea, exactly, and the exchange rate is shit. So total contributions are equal to what? $1.95?

All languages/currencies will be posted together! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2717704)

How jingoist, only posting in that American language. There are other languages too, you know.

&# 12522;&#25 522;jingoist, &# 35328;&#12 354;, &# 12390;

jingoist, &# 22269;&#23 427;,

Cómo jingoist, fijando solamente en ese lenguaje americano. Hay otros lenguajes también, usted sabe.

Comment jingoist, signalant seulement en cette langue américaine. Il y a d'autres langages aussi, vous savez.

Come jingoist, inviante soltanto in quella lingua americana. Ci sono altri linguaggi anche, sapete.

jingoist, . , .

Como jingoist, afixando somente nessa língua americana. Há outras línguas demasiado, você sabe.

Re:Jingoism again? (3, Interesting)

Apostata (390629) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717711)

"I think what you meant to say was..."
Actually, I meant to say what I did. You infer via paranoia that I'm implying that there's only one currency in the world and that it's all a plot to subjugate your philosophy...which has nothing to do with the subject of the article or outer-space in general.

For the record, I'm Canadian. Get stuffed.

Re:Jingoism again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2717739)

It's good to know there are plenty of reasonable Canadians on slashdot. SubtleNuance has been giving you guys a bad name.

Re:Jingoism again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2717793)

They are waaay more canadians here than you think, I'd say 10% of /.

The Canadian Quotient (1)

Apostata (390629) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717837)

I'd believe you :)

As someone who uses Linux at home, people would be amazed how many Canadian Linux-users are invading the internet.

Re:Jingoism again? (3, Funny)

thelexx (237096) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717721)

Oh right. Forgetting for a moment that this is an AMERICAN website and that the author of the article was likely implying billions after _conversion_, the article should have read:

"many countries have poured billions of drachmas, kopeks, dong, won, yen, pesetas, rubles, rupees, lira, marks, pounds, franks, krones, shillings, pesos, punts, baht, yuan, taka and polished beads into it's development..."

Give me a break.


Re:Jingoism again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2717723)

Christ, another hypersensitive European with an inferiority complex.

Re:Jingoism again? (1)

bleckywelcky (518520) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717727)

What I interpreted that statement to say was that other countries have spent the equivalent of billions of U.S. dollars on these programs. Not that they have spent billions of Yen, etc, but rather trillions or whatnot of Yen, etc, when you do the conversions. It seems as though the Slashdot crew sees their community, and their influence primarily American, and so they adjusted the information to regard Americans. I think it was just a way to get a perspective on other country's contributions for a major portion of the Slashdot community, rather than a bias towards American contribution or whatever.

Re:Jingoism again? (2)

Nastard (124180) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717769)

Exactly. This is a site run by Americans, and Americans know how much a dollar is worth. It's easy for Americans to understand that a billion dollars is a lot of money. However, if it said "billions of pesos", most of us would have been slightly confused, as the value of a peso is not common knowledge.

I'm sure this will lead to someone blaming Americans for being uncultured in not learning the value of every other currency on the planet.

Re:Jingoism again? (-1)

Anonymous Pancake (458864) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717749)

Have you ever noticed how fucking ugly american girls are? I had to stay in florida for a few days before going to the carribean, and I was amazed at how many fat chicks there are. And it's a wounder how they got so fat in the first place, because the food is absolutely terrible!

Hmm... (1)

appleprophet (233330) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717655)

"Despite a year with a record number of space walks..."

Um, how many space walks have there been this year?

Re:Hmm... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2717662)

I've personally performed 23 moon walks since Jan. 1, 2001. Much to the delight of my three remaining fans.

Michael Jackson

Re:Hmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2717734)

I spacewalked the other day. Went to denny's, had some toast and jam. I took the long way.

When we have to send ISS down into the Pacific (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2717663)

Blame Canada! Blame Canada!

Noone to the rescue, yet (5, Insightful)

kingdon (220100) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717666)

I don't see this article as saying that Canada is going to rescue anything. Rather, they are lining up along with Europe to complain (with some justice, since NASA is not upholding the ISS agreements as they currently stand). Now, I suppose if a nation complains enough and is willing to use this as a bargaining chip (e.g. in trade talks or whatever kind of talks matter to the US), then complaining becomes a kind of action. But a much more direct sort of rescue, a more obviously effective one, would be to come up with some funding. Europe once built a half-scale prototype [esa.int] of (some portions of) a crew return vehicle, but in recent years that activity has changed to "well, maybe we could build a few components for the US crew return vehicle, that would be cheaper. Well, is Europe prepared to build their own crew return vehicle? Or pay Russia to supply more Soyuzes?

The other amusing aspect of this whole thing is the number of times that the US has cancelled its part of a project (shuttle, partially; some science satellite in the 80's the name of which is at home; even Spacelab in a sense), and the fact that Europe (and other partners) fail to learn. It is like Lucy pulling the football away from Charlie Brown time after time, and Europe seems to always line up for another kick. I guess Canada is now joining them.

Noone is not a word. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2717831)

No one. Two words.

It's ours. Why? (2, Funny)

Saint Aardvark (159009) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717669)

We have better beer with a higher percentage of alcohol. The senators who decide this will either be happy not to be bribed yet again with a case of Bud Lite (tm), or will be unaccustomed to being quite so drunk during a vote.

Furthermore, as a Canadian taxpayer, I will naturally be asked to help decide who gets to be an astronaut. Moderators, you know what to do.

Re:It's ours. Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2717861)

Better beer?

Ever drink Sierra Nevada?

Just another excuse to tax Canadians (-1, Flamebait)

wackybrit (321117) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717670)

Canadians love tax, so the government is constantly coming up with oddball schemes to create new taxes for. This is the perfect solution.

If I were Chretian I'd like to call it GST. Going-to Space Tax. This tax will benefit Canada since Canadians will now be able to disperse their superior liberal tax-loving genes elsewhere in the universe.

'Canada can be lOOse to explore space more quickly from our giant space hOOse'

Orbiting laser of death (2, Funny)

Urthpaw (234210) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717674)

It's kinda pathetic that Terrorists blow something up, and governments start tossing money at militaries, and ignore their space programs. Maybe the terrorists are just using the ground stuff as a distraction, to launch their orbiting "laser" of death.

Re:Orbiting laser of death (-1)

jeneag (441998) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717705)

yeah, now lets see if NMD will save america from the attack, it just makes me laugh so hard.

Funding cuts (5, Insightful)

Stone Rhino (532581) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717681)

(begin rant)
Funding cuts that make it impossible to do research should not be made, since this is a research platform, after all. If they cut funding to this, just like they did with DS1 (story earlier today), then the entire scientific commmunity is going to be pissed. What is the point of putting up a multi-billion dollar space station if not to do something more than have it just sit there, with no experiments being done? That ticking sound is the time before this thing plunges into the ocean years from now. the only question is "what do we do with it until then?"

Of course the only reason ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2717695)

.. is that when someone messes up a metric/english conversion, we can ... Blame Canada !

2 and a half crew members? (4, Funny)

elliott666 (447115) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717710)

"At least 2½[and a half] crew members are needed merely to operate the ISS."

Wouldn't it be safe to round that up?

Re:2 and a half crew members? (1)

TheKey (465831) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717812)

No, the statement is correct. They're planning on recruiting Verne Troyer as the 1/2 to save room.

Re:2 and a half crew members? (1)

mlk (18543) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717832)

Ahh, well there have been many break-throughs in "Chain Saw" tech.
Alas the medical side has not yet catched up.


International Snot Station: Canada to Snot it? (-1)

The WIPO Troll (267426) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717712)

By The WIPO Troll [slashdot.org] , $Revision: 1.13 $

Why have I been receiving emails from some guy called "CmdrTaco," in which he seems to be speaking in some kind of code language?

You have been receiving email from a certain
Robert "CmdrTaco" Malda [cmdrtaco.net] , owner of the popular technology website Slashdot [slashdot.org] . Actually, it's not a very "popular" site in the common sense of the word; the site is rife with pimply, antisocial geeks, zit-faced nerds, dirty GNU hippies [yahoo.com] and communists, and other societal rejects. It's also home to the world's most infamous pædophile ring, the "Slashdot crew."
Whenever CmdrTaco gets bored (and who wouldn't, running a site like
Slashdot all day), he roams through the Slashdot database, penis in hand, looking for people who might enjoy engaging in homosexual orgies with him. How he determines this is anyone's guess; but if you have a homosexual-sounding nickname, or a nick with the letter P or E in it, you're in trouble.
And this time, he found
you. Lucky you.
CmdrTaco's code language is relatively easy to decipher. He prefers to speak in thinly-veiled sexual innuendo to evade the watchful (but relatively stupid) eye of Slashdot's parent corporation,
VA Software [yahoo.com] . CmdrTaco's "Commander" is, of course, his penis -- a small, withered little thing that lives in his pants and only comes out in the presence of other male geeks or at the beck and call of CmdrTaco's own lubed-up right hand. His "Taco bells" are the shriveled testicles that droop beneath his Commander, and his "Taco sauce" is his thick, gooey semen. It should be more than obvious to you now what he means if he asked you to "ring his Taco bells" or "taste his gourmet Taco sauce."
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left on CmdrTaco's face [yahoo.com] , dribbling out of his nose and down his cheek: hence the term, "Taco-snotting."
A "circle-snot" is a Taco-snotting
circle-jerk, another practice common among the Slashdot crew. CmdrTaco, CowboiKneel [aol.com] , and Homos get together and snot each other with their gooey, sticky cum -- spooging their jizz-snot all over each other's faces and pasty, white bodies, until they're covered head to toe with their own and each other's man juice. This vile ritual can go on for hours. For the homosexual penetration that follows this lengthy foreplay, Roblowme is usually there to provide plenty of anal lubricant; he owns a limo service and has ample supplies of motor oil and axle grease ready to go.
To complete this perverted orgy, fellow geeks Michael, Timothy, and Jamie will usually join in, dressed in tight leather mock-S.S. uniforms, jack boots, and leather gloves. The whole group then proceeds to snot each other's spunk and whip each other's pudgy asses with riding crops and chains until their pale, white geek bodies are exhausted and soaked in stinking sweat from the hours of passionate, homosexual revelry.

Ewwwwww. So, can I stop receiving these emails?

You most likely forgot to uncheck the "Willing to Taco-snot" checkbox in your account preferences. CmdrTaco has probably already got the hots for your wad, and he's probably already been lurking outside your bathroom window for weeks with a camera, some tissues and lube. There's no escaping a geek in heat, so it's probably too late for you, but you can possibly rectify this situation. To remove yourself from CmdrTaco's sights, log into your Slashdot account, go to your user page, click on
Messages, and uncheck the box next to "Willing to Taco-snot." Maybe he'll ignore you. Probably not.

I can't stop receiving these emails from CmdrTaco!?

If you indulge him in a Taco-snot or two, he
might leave you alone. You might also want to look into mail filtering, restraining orders, or purchasing a heavy, blunt object capable of warding off rampaging homosexual geeks in heat. Trust me, when they charge... oh, the humanity. If he gets you, and you let him Taco-snot you, you will most likely end up tied up in his basement to be used as his sex slave for the rest of your life (or until he accidentally drowns you in spunk in a circle-snot).

Have you ever been Taco-Snotted?

Unfortunately, yes. I first met CmdrTaco at an
Open Source Convention [yahoo.com] . He invited me back to his room for a game of Quake and some "gourmet Tacos," but when I got there, he jumped me and tied me to his bed, stripping me. After taking his "Commander" out of his pants, Mr. Taco made me suck the withered thing six times. He then performed his vile Taco-snotting ritual on me three times over the next two hours, bringing me to orgasm after sweaty, mind-numbing orgasm... then he snotted my own milky-white jizz back onto my face, into my mouth, then again on my exposed belly.
CmdrTaco invited several of his Open Source (or rather, "Open Sauce" -- man sauce) buddies over to continue the twisted snotfest. Linux Torvalds
raped my ass [yahoo.com] with his "monolithic kernel [yahoo.com] ," and Anal Cox used his "network stack" in a multitude of unspeakable ways on and in every orifice in my defenseless body. Michael was there in his leather Nazi uniform, caning my ass with a bamboo pole and ranting about "all those Censorware freaks out to get him."
How did you finally escape, you ask? After about 16 hours of countless homosexual atrocities perpetrated against my restrained body, they all finally went to sleep on top of me, sweat-soaked and exhausted. I was left there, covered in bubbly, translucent jizz-snot, chained to the bed, with half a dozen fat, pasty-white fags lying around and on top of me. Fortunately the spooge coating my flesh worked wonderfully as a lubricant; I was able to squirm my way out of the handcuffs and slip out the back door. I'm just glad I survived the ordeal. These geeks had a lot of built-up spunk in their wads -- I could've easily been drowned!

That's horrible. Does "Taco-snotting" have anything to do with CmdrTaco's "special taco"?

No, that's a different disgusting perversion CmdrTaco indulges himself in. CmdrTaco is usually not satisfied with merely snotting your own jizz back onto your face, he most often enjoys involving his own bodily fluids in his twisted games.
WeatherTroll [slashdot.org] has spent some time trying to educate the Slashdot readership about this vile practice (emphasis added):
You may be wondering what CmdrTaco's "special taco" is. You will be wishing that you hadn't been wondering after you finish reading this post. To make his "special taco", CmdrTaco takes a taco shell and
shits on it. He then adds lettuce, jacks off on the taco, and adds a compound to make the person who eats the taco unconscious. Of course, the compound does not make the person unconscious until the taco is fully eaten. Thus CmdrTaco force-feeds the taco to the unsuspecting victim.
After the victim is unconscious, he is held against his will and used for CmdrTaco's nefarious sexual purposes. This includes shoving taco shells up the victim's ass, Taco-snotting, and getting Jon Katz involved.
Completely different, yet no less revolting. It should be clear to you now that CmdrTaco is a very, very sick individual, as are most of the Slashdot editors.

Does Jon Katz get involved in any of this? I thought he was a pædophile, not a homosexual.

Actually, Jon Katz is a homosexual pædophile. He's also a coprophiliac, and, many suspect, a zophile. Jon Katz is somewhat of a loner and doesn't involve himself in circle-snots. Mr. Katz usually engages in a game called "
Katz juicy-douching [aol.com] " with his harem of little-boy slaves: a vile practice which involves administering an enema to himself of the little boy's urine (forced out of them with a pair of pliers), spooging the vile muck from his ass back into the enema bag, then squirting and slathering the goo all over himself, and the little boy's chained-up and naked bodies. If he's in the mood, he will sometimes skip refilling the enema bag and just squirt it from his ass [yahoo.com] onto his boys. Unwilling boys are further tortured with the pliers until they comply and allow Mr. Katz to juicy-douche them for the rest of their lives.
As I already said, Mr. Katz is
also a zophile. As if the sexual escapades with the helpless little boys aren't enough, Jon usually enjoys his juicy-douches best when his penis is firmly planted in a female goat's anus [yahoo.com] . He is also rumoured to get off on watching his little boys eat the goat's small, bean-like turds.

...Are you getting hard writing this?

Why, yes. :) Join me in a WIPO-snot?

No, thanks. I'm already CmdrTaco's boi toi.


Once comments have been archived by Slashdot, they're removed from the Official Taco-Snotting FAQ. However much I would like to paste 200k crapfloods into Slashdot, my browser is a piece of shit and won't let me!

  1. Re:Taco-Powered Christmas Snot (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.15 7:05 (#2707493 [slashdot.org] )

    Has this been submitted to linuxdoc.org yet?

  2. Re:Bye bye Windows! (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.15 5:12 (#2707245 [slashdot.org] )

    That may be true, but have you made love to a wombat today?

  3. Re:That's my department, boy! (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward (actually afree87 [slashdot.org] ) on 2001.12.15 2:51 (#2706921 [slashdot.org] )

    Wow, WipoTroll, you really know how to snot! And you can scramble Slashdot's HTML, too! I love boys who do that! Come over to my place sometime!

  4. Re:CmdrTaco BANNED FOR LIFE from Taco Bell!!!!!! (Score:-1)
    by WeatherTroll [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.15 2:48 (#2706907 [slashdot.org] )

    CmdrTaco only goes to Taco Bell to get their hot sauce, and to solicit hot sauce enemas from underage male employees. He makes his own tacos.

  5. Re:Snottle OSnotX, BSnotD, and Snottan Snottard (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward (actually afree87 [slashdot.org] ) on 2001.12.15 2:47 (#2706900 [slashdot.org] )

    We love you, WipoTroll! We want you to snot us, WipoTroll!

  6. Re:Bye bye Windows! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.15 1:35 (#2706675 [slashdot.org] )

    I want some Taco-snot! Where can I get some?

  7. Re:Bye bye Windows! (Score:-1)
    by JonKatz on [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.15 0:29 (#2706495 [slashdot.org] )

    Please, please, please Taco-snot me. I know I would love it almost as much as fucking young boys. Pleadingly, JonKatz

  8. Important Information For Slashdot Users (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.14 3:09 (#2702660 [slashdot.org] )

    It has recently come to my attention that the entire Slashdot crew engage in homosexual activities. CmdrTaco [cmdrtaco.net] is one such person, and has dedicated his life to spreading the ideals of Taco-Snotting while enjoying the benefits of it. For further information on Taco-Snotting please refer to George WIPO Bush's Taco-Snotting FAQ which can be easily found by searching for the Slashdot journal of George WIPO Bush or by looking in the comments of Slashdot articles (Usually modded -1).

    It has also come to my attention that CmdrTaco [cmdrtaco.net] has other interests besides homosexuality (Believe it or not). One such interest includes a budding music career with a song titled "Gaping Anus". The details are sketchy on this topic but I [geocities.com] do know that besides the lead vocals of CmdrTaco [cmdrtaco.net] , it includes Timothy and CowboyNeal (Also members of the Slashdot crew). There has been no release date set for this album or which record label it will be produced under. I [geocities.com] believe CmdrTaco [cmdrtaco.net] is planning to set up his own label, Taco-Snotting Records [riaa.com] , with the intention of releasing [amazon.com] the song on a cd-single with various remixes as soon as possible (To catch the current popularity of the Taco-Snotting fad). On a side note, I [geocities.com] would not believe this fad will ever wear out (like a Snotted-out-geek); I [geocities.com] am sorry to say Taco-Snotting is here to stay :-(. Various remixes of Gaping Anus will include: "Extra Jizz", "Snot Me Baby One More Time", "www.Goatse.cx" [goatse.cx] , and "Once You Taco-Snot, You Can't Stop". I [geocities.com] am sure many, many, more are sure to come. I [geocities.com] predict this album will be a very hot seller this holiday season, especially with in or out of closet homosexuals, and with those who have no self-respect (Readers of Slashdot).

    Through a good, non-homosexual friend of mine, I [geocities.com] have recieved a copy of the lyrics to the Gaping Anus musical composition. Included after the lyrics is a very speical tribute written by yours truely. Perhaps CmdrTaco [cmdrtaco.net] will ask me to provide the vocals. Please feel free to read the lyrics and post your comments and disgust. E-mail CmdrTaco with this disgust also.

    BTW, please do not reply with the intention of flaming me because the lyrics are a rip-off of Insane Clown Posse's [insaneclownposse.com] "Slim Anus" [realjuggalos.com] . For more information on ICP and Slim Anus refer here [planet-eminem.com] and here [mp3mtv.com] . CmdrTaco [cmdrtaco.net] is the author of this fine musical work and not me [geocities.com] . So, it is obviously he who has ripped off ICP and not me [geocities.com] . Thank you.

    Read the rest of this shit... [slashdot.org]

  9. Re:Snotback: Snotto, Snotz, Snottion (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.14 2:44 (#2702581 [slashdot.org] )

    you know, every time i read this i want to punch you more and more. the taco snotting thing is old, lame, boring, and over done. it never was remotely funny or good though. it sounds like a 10th grader wrote it too. so please, go play in traffic or shut the fuck up so real trolls can post.

  10. Re:Italics are yummy! (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Super Mario Troll [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.14 2:33 (#2702535 [slashdot.org] )

    Keep up the good work! Educate the masses to the dangers of Taco-Snotting!

    It's a me, the Super Mario Troll!
    Would you like to see my gaping troll anus [goatse.cx]
  11. Re:Italics are yummy! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.14 1:41 (#2702370 [slashdot.org] )

    WIPO - Man you trolls are shit compared to Egg Trolls troll's. Egg Man is just so much more original.

  12. Re:The WIPO Troll Announces Portable Snotbox (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.07 7:58 (#2669658 [slashdot.org] )

    That leaky sound you hear is CmdrTaco pissing himself after seeing this.

    Slashdot trolling just got a whole lot easier...


    Spread the word!

  13. Re:The WIPO Troll Announces Portable Snotbox (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.07 5:48 (#2669422 [slashdot.org] )

    Q: Is CmdrTaco gay?

    A: He Mos' certainly is!

  14. Re:The WIPO Troll Announces Portable Snotbox (Score:-1)
    by GaylordFucker [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.07 5:39 (#2669394 [slashdot.org] )

    not to mention... The WIPO Troll used himself as a test subject to try out the portable snotbox... i await your results and hope your product gets approved...


    Get that rats nest off your head, you numbskull -- Wesley Willis

  15. Re:Portable Snotcube! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.07 3:58 (#2669117 [slashdot.org] )

    stfu. no one really cares about your lame little "troll". make some new material (not that anything you've ever said is worth a damn..)

  16. Re:Yum yum taco-snotting! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.02 22:15 (#2644499 [slashdot.org] )

    Dear SLASH crew - this post makes it clear why you need to add a new category - "tell it like it is (+1)"

  17. This is getting old (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.02 20:14 (#2644227 [slashdot.org] )

    Hey dicksuck, why don't you come up with new troll material? Everyone has seen the tacosnotting 100 times already. Fuckwit. Assholage. Gay. Lick my anal nectar.

  18. Fucking hilarious too bad it didnt get a 5:Funny (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.02 19:01 (#2644105 [slashdot.org] )

    this is good shit man

  19. Re:Taco-snotting@Home! (Score:-1, Offtopic)
    by Dark_Cobra87 [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.01 23:03 (#2642180 [slashdot.org] )

    Oops, forgot to check that Taco-snot option...

  20. Re:Fuck Linux! Fuck him hard! (Score:-1)
    by Fecal Troll Matter [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.01 20:55 (#2641791 [slashdot.org] )

    Mmmmmmm, Taco Sauce... [galeon.com]

    Sig (appended to the end of comments you post, 120 chars)

  21. Look (Score:-1)
    by ArchieBunker [slashdot.org] on 2001.12.01 20:19 (#2641679 [slashdot.org] )

    I love trolling but this shit is getting old, fast. At least start mixing them up a little bit. How about the 'How OSM was Freed' series?


  22. Re:Congratulations! You have been WIPO'd!! (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on 2001.12.01 8:37 (#2640602 [slashdot.org] )

    Stop posting this! I've got hangover and Taco Snotting doesn't make me feel any better.

    I'm really glad that Taco Snotting is illegal here in Europe.

$Id: tacosnotting.html,v 1.13 2001/12/15 23:00:00 wipo Exp $
Copyright © 2001
The WIPO Troll [slashdot.org] . Verbatim crapflooding of this document is permitted in any medium, provided this copyright notice is preserved, and next time you take a dump, you think of the WIPO Troll and all he's done to make Slashdot a better place.

US doesn't follow treaties anyways (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2717714)

They pull out of the SALT treaties, and their "intelligence" agency and military admit to making anthrax as a weapon. Is it any surprise that no one trusts the US to keep its word?

Obligatory anime reference (3, Funny)

Attila (23211) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717715)

Maybe the Japanese should have opted for a Mobile Suit Gundham instead of an Experiment Module Kibo.

Obligatory faggot reference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2717777)

Only a filthy faggot would post what you just posted.

US vs. Canada (0, Funny)

Patrick McRotch (314811) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717729)

-US takes the initiative on creating the ISS, contributing the bulk of funding and nearly all technology.
-Canada whines that the US isn't doing it the way Canada wants.

-US takes the initiative to throw off the chains of an obsolete and oppressive monarchy.
-Canada keeps calling said monarch "daddy" for two hundred years.

-Americans call themselves "Americans," as is their right.
-Canadians feel left out.

I think what we can say with certainty, is that Canadians tend to have serious inferiority complexes. I can't say I blame them. If my country's sole export was third rate comedians, I might feel inferior about it, too.

Re:US vs. Canada (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2717748)

Americans call themselves "Americans", but the rest of the world calls them "Assholes".

Re:US vs. Canada (1)

lyphordt (156945) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717755)

I've never understood why Americans have this attitude that they are always better than anyone else around them.

Canada never had slavery.
Canada never had prohibition.

And Canada is your largest trading partner. Yes, your LARGEST. You depend on us too.

Re:US vs. Canada (1)

Patrick McRotch (314811) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717830)

And Canada is your largest trading partner. Yes, your LARGEST. You depend on us too.

Wow, I couldn't have asked for a more explicit example of the Canadian inferiority complex in action. I'm going to ask you to do something now. It may be hard, but just give it a try. Sit down, close your eyes, and relax. Let go of all your animosity towards America. Clear your mind. Then ask yourself: Is Canada more important to America than America is to Canada?

I think we both know the answer to that question.

Re:US vs. Canada (1)

yani (50270) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717872)

Whichever country has the trade deficit (a nation's excess of imports over exports) in the relationship would be the best indicator of that...and I'll give you a clue, it's not Canada ;)

Re:US vs. Canada (1)

Afrosheen (42464) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717871)

Where does the world get this opinion that Americans think they own the world? Every country has Nationalism flowing through their citizen's veins. I doubt you'll find any Japanese guy that doesn't say that Japan is great. Rephrase that for any country on the planet...except for maybe Afghanistan and some other third-world countries.

I theorize that it's because the way Americans act abroad. Generally the people that travel on vacation are rich assholes who don't know how to act HERE let alone anywhere else. I could be wrong, but that's my theory.

Re:US vs. Canada (1)

quantaman (517394) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717762)

-US takes the initiative to throw off the chains of an obsolete and oppressive monarchy.

And starts a long history of going off and starting war while instating several military dictatorships. While Canada's ties to the monarchy are superficial and gives up membership in the commonwealth (we also didn't have to kill any one). By the way, remember the war of 1812;)

-Americans call themselves "Americans," as is their right.

Just don't do it anywhere else in the world if you don't want to get shot.

JESUS CHRIST MAN! (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2717796)

We don't need an international incident here. We're all human, after all. We should be teaming together, to defend ourselves from the Mars Attacks! martians. They are the *real* threat.

Re:US vs. Canada (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2717805)


You couldn't kill anyone if you had to. You have no military. You hide behind the protection of the US military and shout "death to America" all day long. We're not impressed. We don't even care. Like every other nation on earth, we ignore you, except for occasional replies to standard, insecure-Canadian posts on various web sites.

Re:US vs. Canada (1, Troll)

Drakin (415182) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717818)

Actually, to gain true independance, Canadians had to kill an awful lot of people, and a lot of Canadians were killed.

It wasn't until WWI that Canada became truely accepted as an independant nation. (An Example of this is how Canada was pulled into the war without really having a say)

And the war of 1812, while it's amusing (with the burning of part of the white hourse and all by British and Canadian troops), it was much more of a stalemate than a clear victory for either side.

And yes, I'm Canadian.

Re:US vs. Canada (1)

dadragon (177695) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717879)

I'll agree with you, mostly.

Part of the War of 1812 was to seal Canada from the USA. That failed. They tried to "liberate" us, but we didn't want to go..

On that point, we did win. On the getting the USA back under the control of the British, we failed.

And that whole burning of the White House, that was revenge for their burning York (Now Toronto).

As unpopular as it may sound... (3, Interesting)

quantaman (517394) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717732)

Although I support the efforts of the ISS and orbital research from what I've heard there is in fact not a lot of good research they can do in weightlessness. Personally I think it says something when you're accepting experiments from junior high schools to do in space that probably converts to thousands of dollars of time and resources on the part of the space agency. Does anyone know of useful research being conducted by astronauts (i.e. no Hubble or exploration vehicles) or that has been proposed?

Our government doesn't care about Science. (0)

MADCOWbeserk (515545) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717740)

Coming from a research University, I would say which. (But we use to have a Fusion Reactor) Anyway research is often conducted only with the purpose of immediate commercial application. Ie. corporate partners or patent holdings.

It is sad, but Nasa and the NSF are no longer the great institutions we pride.

Isn't this covered by contract? (1, Troll)

pbryan (83482) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717742)

... many countries have poured $billions$ into it's development and should thus have a say in whether there should be any cutbacks.

It seems to me that no country, business, person, or other entity should be obligated to continue paying unless a legally binding contract is in place to enforce such payment. In some jurisdictions, termination clauses are manditory for the contract to be considered legally binding.

What binding contract is in place that actually stipulates who is obligated to pay what amount for the ISS? Are contracts even relevant when the United States in concerned? For example, when was the last time the United States paid its membership dues in the United Nations? What about its compliance with greenhouse emissions agreements?

It seems to me, engaging the United States in a debate about cutbacks would be much like an ant trying to playing a game of chicken with a rhino. Being the resident superpower has its perks.

Re:Isn't this covered by contract? (2)

RollingThunder (88952) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717751)

Sure, the US can start reneging on agreements and contracts. The rest of the world will just label it a Rogue State, and cease dealing with it.

You aren't as big as you think you are. Losing Canada and China (for two) as trading partners would hurt you a hell of a lot, and the blatant disregard for all agreements that you imply the US should be able to get away with would cause that.

Once we threw our own finks out of office, that is.

Re:Isn't this covered by contract? (1)

bleckywelcky (518520) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717773)

There are no legally binding contracts outside of a country (with some minor exception in the U.N.). What we have are treaties and agreements, and if we want other countries to continue to do what we want them to do then we must comply with our end of the treaties. Once we find that the services that the countries on the other end of the treaty supply to us are no longer useful, we withdraw from the treaty. The latest and most obvious example would be the U.S. withdrawal from the 1972 ABM treaty. The U.S. has been developing ABM type mechanisms ever since the day the treaty was signed (although we, and the treaty, assured otherwise, heh) and has finally come to a point at which we are almost ready to start implementing these mechanisms. So, we withdraw from the treaty so that when we do implement the mechanisms, we aren't breaking the treaty.

There wasn't a term limit on the treaty, or anything similar, so the U.S. can't be called on the actions here other than in a debate or whatnot.

Re:Isn't this covered by contract? (2)

Minupla (62455) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717870)

Just a note, as it kind of got lost in the Sept news...

This article [cato.org] dated September 25th, 2001, indicates in part:

"Unanimous House Agrees To Pay U.N. Dues
The House of Representatives yesterday unanimously approved legislation that would provide $582 million to pay back dues to the United Nations, a reflection of how the political landscape has been altered by the terrorist attacks two weeks ago, according to The Washington Post.

For months, conservatives such as House Majority Whip Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) had blocked the payment of U.N. arrears, but those lawmakers abandoned their opposition in light of the strikes in New York and Washington"

Dubya's Answer...Send In The Accountants... (5, Informative)

cybrpnk (94636) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717765)

Welcome to the new NASA. Dubya is dumping Golden (love him or hate him, he WAS an engineer) to bring in a guy that is 100% bean counter. From a recent newspaper article (I think Houston Chronicle):

""...No one really knows what a finished station would cost. NASA said earlier this year that it faces a $4.8 billion shortfall over the next five years. Sean O'Keefe, nominated by President George W. Bush to become NASA administrator, testified Friday that he had no confidence in that number or any other estimate he had heard so far.
At the close of the hearing Friday, Mr. O'Keefe was asked an open-ended question: "What is your vision?"
Mr. O'Keefe spoke for several minutes about "prudent management principles," reinvigorating "the entrepreneurial spirits" of NASA, the importance of collaboration with other elements of the federal government, the need to be mindful of safety and the possibility of taking advantage of this moment when NASA is at a crossroads.
He did not mention space."

Money (3, Insightful)

slubberdegullion (544119) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717776)

It seems to me that cutting back on astronauts now would be like buying a Porsche, then only driving it a few times in order to save on gas. The US has already committed huge amounts of money to this project, and cutting back now could severely limit the usefulness of the space station, making it a complete waste of money.

A sad state of affairs (2, Interesting)

CatherineCornelius (543166) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717778)

I guess I can overlook the rather parochial tone of the phrase "contrary to the belief..." I'm sure many comments have been quick to point out that the belief in question is held almost exclusively by people who do not know the significance of the letter "I" in ISS.

But it's true that NASA involvement is now crucial, and on that point the decision of Congress is sovereign. If you are a US voter and you disagree with Congress's decisions on NASA funding, you know what to do.

On the bright side, I don't think space is going to go away any time soon, and not only are there still many delightful things to explore on earth, outer space itself is becoming far more accessible in the form of robot probes and orbiting telescopes.

Whilst curtailment of the ISS would be bad news for manned space flight in the short term, I don't think it would necessarily be bad news for science as a whole. There is just so much else upon which it would be at least as sensible to spend the science budget of any country.

Re:A sad state of affairs (1)

Apostata (390629) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717816)


I will admit, now that you mention it, "contrary to the belief..." is perhaps a little leaning. It makes sense given the larger context of the story, but as a synopsis it risks creating a straw-man unecessarily.

This is weird... (3, Insightful)

laserjet (170008) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717785)

"Mr. O'Keefe is a budget hawk and has said he believes that technical excellence at any cost is not an acceptable approach by NASA.

This seems like a rather odd thing to say to the press... I would think if *I* was relying on NASA to do something in space, I would sure want "technical excellence" at any cost. This is not a walk in the park, it is space exploration, and attention DOES need to be paid to detail.

or am I wrong?

Pro Canada should NOT mean Anti USA (5, Interesting)

ShadeEagle (153172) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717825)


Too many people here are bashing USA, and saying "oh, we're better than USA because of *reason X* or *reason Y*"...

To those of you who are doing this, take a second and think. Are we really that much better? Do we have to take our argument to an international forum and play the patriot?

The USA, despite it's flaws, is not as bad as a lot of people think. If it was such a bad place, they'd have all moved out of there by now! Besides, the USA is where Megatokyo comes from, and it's also where a lot of anime and video games are distributed from.

And Canada HAS flaws. Sure, our Prime Minster, the Right Honourable Jean Chretien was seen choking and throwing a potential assailant... Sure, Matt Stone, Trey Parker, Chris Jericho, Alex Trebek, etc. come from Canada...

But to those who believe in the right to bear arms up here - we can't. To those who believe that we have freedom of speech? Freedom of the press? Not in Canada. The government can censor you if they so choose.

The point is: It's the holidays, friends. Break out the egg nog, or beer if you prefer, and let's celebrate life. We're friendly neighbors... why not ACT like it for a change? We should like each other despite our many flaws.

Happy Holidays to one and all.


Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2717850)

This hippy fag's post has NOTHING to do with the ISS and I want to make him choke on my cock


Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2717866)


This hippy fag's post has NOTHING to do with the ISS and I want to make him choke on my cock


Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2717874)

This son of a bitch is just trying to provoke me! LINUX RULES

K1B0!!! (1)

jso888 (114340) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717857)

"Japan's contribution is the Kibo, a laboratory to be launched and assembled on the ISS starting in September of 2004."

The name of that module is unfortunate on so many levels.

"Laser" (3, Insightful)

boopus (100890) | more than 12 years ago | (#2717858)

Do you ever get the feeling that if we just let G. Dubbya hang a few "lasers" off the ISS let him point them at caves where "terrorists" live the space station could have an unlimited budget?

That being said, I'd agreee with the poster who pointed out that the ISS is a huge expenditure compared to what we could do with many smaller projects, but I think it's necessary to have big prjects that are the culimination of the technology that's being devised. Classes that don't have final exams are always considered slacker classes because people don't have a goal to work towards, and the same thing could be said for space projects.
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