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Palm/3Com Graffiti A Patent Infringement on Xerox

Hemos posted more than 12 years ago | from the no-more-scribbling dept.

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Olmy's Jart writes "According to this article on, a judge has ruled that graffiti, the one stroke shorthand used on Palm Pilots, infringes a Xerox patent for "unistrokes". Really light on details and no links to betters sites, unfortunately." MSNBC also has the story.

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In a related story... (3, Redundant)

cscx (541332) | more than 12 years ago | (#2735981)

Bic has just sued Paper Mate over "the pen."

Re:In a related story... (1, Interesting)

oo7tushar (311912) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736126)

In a related to that story to that...the man who made Bic was Mr. Bich. He was a french man and they named the product Bic. Real story, not making it up: full story []

Re:In a related story... (2, Funny)

KILNA (536949) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736227)

Thank you for posting that. My favorite quote: The product was right. The price was right. The time was right. The name became right - BIC - short, simple, attention-getting, in any language. A simple, yet effective, award-winning advertising campaign launched the new BIC pen in 1949, with the slogan (in French), "It runs, It runs. The BIC ballpoint."

As apposed to the earlier propositions of "Run Bich, run!" and "Write my name, Bich!"

?euntintiuhsntuhinetuhinetihnetih (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2735984)

finally a frist post

Quake III Arena reveals another Linux security bug (-1)

ForWhomTheHellTrolls (543770) | more than 12 years ago | (#2735991)

The Quake III Arena 1.31 patch has been released.
The release notes include the following:

Linux only:
fixed sound crash, going around memset bug in glibc i586/i686

memset bug? MEMSET BUG!?! There is a fucking BUG in memset? No fucking wonder Linux crashes all the time!!! What kind of halfass piece of shit OS is this anyway? I guess you really do get what you pay for. Its such a complicated function.. I can see why all you pathetic open sores programmers can't get real jobs!!

"Open sores software... Hey, we almost fixed all the bugs in memset!!"

countdown (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2735995)

countdown to /.ing....

(i wonder if the smoke is pouring out of the servers by now....)

quick question (4, Insightful)

windchill2001 (254017) | more than 12 years ago | (#2735996)

How does this affect handspring? Is Xerox's claim towards the implementation in the OS or the general input method?

Re:quick question (5, Informative)

4n0nym0u53 C0w4rd (463592) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736011)

Handspring and all the other PalmOS licensees use the graffiti method, so it could affect them too. My guess is that it will end up meaning extra $ for the OS -- passed along to consumers.

Good thing the Treo will have a keyboard... (1)

silentbozo (542534) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736235)

Both of Handspring's Treo [] phone/palm gizmos look like they have chiclet keyboards instead of the standard graffiti area as an option.

Palm seems to have been clueless - could Handspring have known that Xerox was gonna win? Seems like more than coincidence to me...

Re:Good thing the Treo will have a keyboard... (2)

IronChef (164482) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736318)

Look closer [] . The Treos are also available with Graffiti.

Re:quick question (5, Informative)

Oily Tuna (542581) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736044)

Is Xerox's claim towards the implementation in the OS or the general input method?

It seems to be more towards the general input method []

There is some detail in there about the implementation but it's all based off of the display/input generating a list of xy coordinates making up the stroke. Since I can't imagine any computer engineer using anything but a 2D matrix for their displays it doesn't seem to me that these details narrow the patent down in any realistic manner.

Re:quick question (1)

QuoteMstr (55051) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736177)

Polar coordinates?

Re:quick question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2736303)

Hexagonal coordinates?

Re:quick question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2736108)

i could care visor neo's under the tree right now..can't wait till tuesday :)

Re:quick question (-1)

jeremyf (167087) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736146)

Man just so you know the Visor Neo kinda sucks :( I had one but took it back. :( Prolly should exchange it for a Sony Clie :~(~

Re:quick question (2, Interesting)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736236)

Are mouse gestures in Opera "unistrokes"?

Re:quick question (2, Interesting)

phalse phace (454635) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736257)

I doubt if this will really affect Handspring in any major way since they just license the OS from Palm. Palm will most likely be the ones who feel the pain as they're the ones who develop the OS. Besides, Handspring are going to be moving away from the Graffiti input method to that of a built-in keyboard (e.g. Handspring Treo [] ).

This does not bode well... (3, Interesting)

Hallow (2706) | more than 12 years ago | (#2735997)

for Palm or it's licensees, Handspring, Sony, and HandEra (and perhaps others). Xerox wants damages for infringement, plus they intend to force Palm to cease selling PDA's or to license the patent. If Palm can't afford it... all PalmOS based devices may be in trouble.

Anyone know if BeOS had any non-infringing handwriting recognition? This might force Palm to move ahead with a switch to ARM and a new OS.

Re:This does not bode well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2736080)

Nobody makes money not selling things. Xerox and Palm will find a way to both make money on this.

Xerox just demands that they get paid for something they invented.

Re:This does not bode well... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2736081)

This might force Palm to move ahead with a switch to ARM and a new OS.

Er, it's not the OS that's infringing, it's the interface. It's the quick and easy way of inserting text that doesn't occupy the space of a keyboard or have the hassles of true handwriting recognition which is causing the fuss.

What Xerox patented was an interface concept that remains a highly effective compromise between computer and human. PalmOS, no matter how they change the kernel, will have to license the patent from Xerox or go under.

As for damages, I doubt they'll be hurt too badly. If Xerox has any clue in management, they just want a little piece of Palm's pie.

If a parasite kills the host without first spreading, it kills itself as well. Xerox will almost certainly pursue an Influenza pattern instead of an Ebola pattern.

Regards, Ross

Re:This does not bode well... (1)

jbf (30261) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736207)

Wouldn't we all love Xerox to pursue the Ebola pattern with Microsoft and their WinCE product?


Great Loud Beeping Sound From Redmond (3, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736132)

A great loud beeping sound could be heard all over the world today, eminating from Redmond, Washington, USA, as Windows CE backed into another victory. When asked what this means for consumers, Ralph Nader had this to say, "Why this just plain sucks farts from a dead pigeon's ass!"

Meanwhile, Bill Gates of Microsoft had this to say on the subject. "Ehhx-cellent..."

hmmm... (4, Insightful)

4n0nym0u53 C0w4rd (463592) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736000)

Man, Palm is really having a hard time these days. Could this, coupled with their recent downturn help microsoft innovate them out of business a la netscape?

Sure, Palm was the original, and the only one (along with OS licencees) that offers PDAs that aren't overloaded with pricey color screens, 64mb of memory, and desktop applications. (Well they offer those too, but they still have some good straightforward PDAs). But, with the market crowding, and lots of new Wince apps being written, are we seeing the beginning of the end?

I'd hate to have to buy an overloaded PDA because MS becomes the only game in town...

There are a couple monochrome Wince pads (2)

autopr0n (534291) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736032)

There are a couple of monochrome wince pads out there.

Re:There are a couple monochrome Wince pads (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2736233)

Well WinCE programs are pretty big compared to a palm counterpart with the same functionality. It is annoying to sync them as USB is not exactly fast.

Re:hmmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2736178)

nope, WinCE based cheep-o pda's
plus no-namers
plus PSION's (they are gray scale & 'ttle mem)

Patents (5, Informative)

Oily Tuna (542581) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736002)

Relevent patent is 5596656 []

It looks pretty broad and clear

Re:Patents (2)

wfrp01 (82831) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736045)

It looks pretty broad and clear

Yes, I'm afraid so.

The $64 question is: does anyone feel like this result makes the world a better place? I sure don't.

If you think software patents should be eliminated, sign the Petition Against Software Patents [] .

Re:Patents (2, Insightful)

dackroyd (468778) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736094)

Er, reading the patent, it appears that Xerox have patented the idea of simple alphabet whose letters can easily be recognised by machine and can be easily written.

Shurely there is some prior art [] in this area.

In fact the use of simple alphabets [] possible even predates PDAs.

Also some important books [] have been written using simple alphabets []

Seriously though, is it the idea of a simple alphabet that Xerox have patented or the exact 'letters' ?

If it's the first then this is just friqin rediculous, if it's just the exact letters then surely Palm can just change a few characters to make it not be covered by the patent.

Re:Patents (3, Insightful)

Oily Tuna (542581) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736137)

I don't know what was discussed during the court case, but to me the core of the patent seems to be the method of taking a set of points making up a stroke and (after cleaning up the data) finding the salient features (length and direction of straight lines and curves) and finding the match to the characters in their alphabet.

Read the claims (they're the important bit legally, I believe) - they don't really say anything about the alphabet itself.

Re:Patents (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2736287)

Relax, nobody takes those comments seriously. If Slashdot was around when Bell patented the telephone, they'd whinge about the "prior art" of two cups and a length of string.

Patents are the death of IP (3, Insightful)

krackbebe (545104) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736007)

Intellectual Property is being slowly strangled by overrestrective trademarks, copyrights, patents, corrupt companies, and bought politicians.

When are we going to wake up and realize that these artificial constructs originally created to help innovation is actually starting to stifle it? Perhaps people will start to wake up after the recession really starts to hurt. There is going to be a lot of pointing fingers soon.

Re:Patents are the death of IP (5, Funny)

Ether Trogg (17457) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736134)

Sorry, but the strangling of innovation by the overuse of patents is patented.

Oh, and recessions have been patented. By the New York Stock Exchange, I think.

Artificial constructs are patented.

There's a copyright on stifling.

Finger-pointing's patented.

Corrupt companies? Bought politicians? Yep, both patented. (Patent #666 by "Lucifer, Beelzebub, and Baal, LLC.")

And I think hurting is covered by the DMCA.

Face it, we're screwed.

Aww, dammit! Screwing's been patented!

Re:Patents are the death of IP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2736174)

cool []

Re:Patents are the death of IP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2736321)

Yes! +1 Funny! My first Perl program is a success!

Graffiti's been around a while (4, Interesting)

"Zow" (6449) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736008)

I wonder when Xerox filed that patent, as Palm (or whatever they were called originally - before 3Com bought them) was selling the software to use graffiti as input on the Apple Newton back in 1994 or so? I think we still have one of the original packages at work.


Re:Graffiti's been around a while (2)

Oily Tuna (542581) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736064)

5,596,656 was filed on October 26, 1995

Re:Graffiti's been around a while (1)

phalse phace (454635) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736274)

According to US Patent # 5,596,656 [] and a Register article [] , the patent was filed on October 26, 1995 and was issued on January 21, 1997.

Re:Graffiti's been around a while (1)

phalse phace (454635) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736290)

Oops! I forgot to mention that although the patent was filed on October 26, 1995, it's actually a *continuation* of application Ser. No. 08/132,401 which was originally filed on Oct. 6, 1993. I guess this means that they had it filed even before Apple started using it on their Newton devices way back in '94.

More info (5, Informative)

diabloii (33174) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736012)

"Palm Inc. and 3Com have lost a patent lawsuit with Xerox. A judge ruled today that Graffiti does infringe on a patent Xerox holds on a handwriting recognition method, called Unistrokes.

The lawsuit will now move on the the penalty phase. The court will decide if Palm has to pay damages and if it is allowed to continue to use the technology. Xerox will urge the court to either require Palm to stop using Graffiti entirely or pay royalties.

Xerox sued U.S. Robotics, which was later bought by 3Com, back in 1997, claiming that Graffiti infringed a patent Xerox received in 1997. Palm was later spun off from 3Com.

Xerox originally filed for its patent in October of 1993. The first handhelds running the Palm OS, the Pilot 1000 and Pilot 5000, were released in April of 1996 by U.S. Robotics. These included Graffiti. A question not yet answered is why Jeff Hawkins didn't file for a patent on Graffiti earlier when he had been developing the idea since the 80s.

In June of last year, a judge dismissed the suit on the grounds that Graffiti wasn't similar enough to Unistrokes. In October, the suit was reinstated and moved to the U.S. District Court for the Western District of New York.

Judge Michael Telesca declared today that Xerox's patent is "valid and enforceable", and that Graffiti does infringe on it.

It is not yet known whether Xerox plans to sue other makers of handheld operating systems, like Microsoft, who also include some form of handwriting recognition.

"Xerox always aggressively defends its patent portfolio -- a valuable corporate asset. Today's ruling vindicates our position that our handwriting-recognition patent was infringed. Either Palm will have to cease production of its hand-held organizer or license the technology from Xerox," said Christina Clayton, Xerox general counsel.

Thanks to montyburns for the tip. -Ed"

Blatanly ripped from []

Unistrokes picture - Unistroke.gif []

Re:More info (2)

gus goose (306978) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736076)

Patent link, from Oily's post []

Not to be too picky, but according to the link posted above, the Patent was *filed* Oct 1995 (not 1993 as you/palminfocenter state), and the first palm to hit the streets was March 1996.

There is probably a fair chance that the prototypes were about before Oct 1995. Prior art?

Although, the court has already decided.... anyways.

Further, the Patent *specifically* states 'a "unistroke" is a single, unbroken stroke', whereas graffiti has a number of multiple-stroke characters.

not sure this means a thing though.... IANAL.


Re:More info (2, Flamebait)

Malcontent (40834) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736256)

In a court of law common sense gets thrown out the door as a first step. The next step is to evaluate how much money each party has. Whoever has the most money wins. If both parties are equally (or almost equally) wealthy then the judge considers their political affiliations. Only in the event of a tie will the so called facts come into play. Mostly though fact get twisted up pretty good.

It was clear in this case that xerox had more money then palm and that palm was actually selling a product and trying to make money from it. They were bound to lose. A company which does nothing but sit on a patent waiting for other people to infringe on it is clearly more deserving then a company which actually produces a product. In order to better serve the public the courts decided that the price of palms should go up or that they should go out of business. Cool huh?

More info- (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2736013)

Can be found at

Oh, quick question. Does it usually happen that you submit a story, it gets rejected, and then someone else publishes it?

Re:More info- (1)

oo7tushar (311912) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736131)

Yeah, sometimes it does, but that's because the story might contain points that yours doesn't, or that it got to them first.
After all, it is a queue.

Sue the successful (2)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736017)

Xerox said it will push for Palm to either to stop making its handheld electronic organizers, which use the handwriting recognition software, or license the technology from Xerox.

Another one of those cases of making money by suing the successful


Why can't someone do this to Microsoft?

Re:Sue the successful (2)

autopr0n (534291) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736053)

There was a slashdot article a couple years ago about a guy suing M$ over multithreading witch he patented in the 80s. I don't know what happened, but I suspect the guy lost. It's also possible that M$ just paid him off.

This probably won't hurt palm to much. The most likely outcome actually is for Graffiti to be ported to winCE machines for the same price, witch use a somewhat inferior glyph recognition system (they didn't change the way any of the letters were shaped or draw with a regular pen).

I tried to lookup the actual story, but slashdot seems to post a story with the strings: "microsoft", and "lawsuit" just about every day...

Re:Sue the successful (2, Informative)

Oily Tuna (542581) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736059)

Why can't someone do this to Microsoft?

microsoft have got a big pile of their own patents [] covering all sorts of things. You would have to be very sure you're not infringing one of them before going after MS.

E.g. how many products don't do something like Method for creating and maintaining user data []

Re:Sue the successful (3, Informative)

ChrisBennett (18205) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736083)

Oh you mean like "symbollic links" which MS claims to have invented [] ?

I sense a prior art here: ln -s anyone?

holy fucking shit.. that was filed in '98 (1)

Breakfast Pants (323698) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736215)

HOW THE FUCK DID THE PATENT OFFICE ACCEPT THAT? I don't think there is a possible way in hell that the patent office even takes a peek as this stuff. Unix has had this FOREVER. In fact, windows has this in a way (shortcuts) circa 94/95.

Re:holy fucking shit.. that was filed in '98 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2736225)

Read the patent.

It acknowledges Unix symlinks and this patent is for an enhancment to them,

Re:Sue the successful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2736316)

That's a pretty interesting patent, you should read it some time.

Re:Sue the successful (1)

reflexreaction (526215) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736074)

As far as I can tell Palm has not been very sucessful of late.
Though I don't doubt the validity of the claim, I also think it execs at Xerox trying to make up for it's own poor books.
. Now if polaroid could just sue Kodak.....

Market Down-turn (1)

batboy78 (255178) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736019)

I suppose with the economy in its current state, struggling companies are forced to sue on possible infringement cases to earn some kind of revenue. And to believe I just got a Visor Deluxe two weeks ago, now its going to be a paperweight.

I Did a Project on a Similar Case (3, Troll)

gayrod (545101) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736020)

When I was in Law School, we were presented with an age-old issue similar to this. Way back when, a printing company accused another of stealing their "shorthand" language that they used in technical manuals. (Basically it was a simple method of printing manuals for machines. If you were a worker who repaired these machines, you would be familiar with the shorthand).

Anyways, the company that originated the shorthand sued another because they began printing manuals with a similar technology. The judge decided (I believe he was right) that it did constitute an infringement and the defendant company was required to pay royalities.

Sure is neat to see how things can change, but the same lawsuits pop up again ;)

- Dave Brennins

Re:I Did a Project on a Similar Case (1)

taj (32429) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736214)

I don't buy this logic. Sometimes the law is just wrong.

Language should not be an issue for legal property outside of specific brands in specific markets.

The idea that languages can be owned means languages will die instead of morphing as usual.

language is a public domain tool for lawyers as well as the rest of us.

Why else would court precedence be public domain?

Riddle me this. (4, Insightful)

Malcontent (40834) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736267)

Xerox sued palm and won. Xerox did not sue MS. Why is this legal? At this point MS is most likely infringing on a Xerox Patent but Palm is the only organization being punished for it.

Man out justice system is fucked up. If I ran the world Xerox would have to sue everybody who infringed or nobody. It's unfair to let some people off the hook.

Re:Riddle me this. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2736313)

You serious? Can't tell.

On another news.... (1)

keepper (24317) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736021)

Xerox announces an industry wide lawsuit...

For infringement on... well, on everything...:-P

Really guys.. the xerox palo alto labs invented/pioneered
pretty much most computer technologies, and many other technologies we have just started to see...

So if they are starting to sue now.. all companies should start calling their lawyers right about now.. hehe

Xerox.. where bad and short sighted management is a way of operation.. ;)

PARC (1)

Cirvam (216911) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736024)

Wow, so Xerox might actually make some money off their Palo Alto Research Center. Its too bad that they sold if off or closed it. Have they made any money off of anything else invented there? I know laser printers but that's the only money making idea that I've heard of.

Is someone still getting royalties on keyboards? (2, Funny)

TurboDog99 (442475) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736025)

What a fucking joke. I think I'll patent typing drunk while I'm at it.

They get what they deserve. (1)

autopr0n (534291) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736061)

Palm patented graffiti themselves, so its not like anyone else could use it before this. Now other people will actually have a chance to use the technology.

UniStrokes Article (3, Informative)

Mano1KAges (71161) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736028)

For anyone interested, here is a paper [] (in Postscript format, on the parc FTP server) from 1993 by David Goldberg and Cate Richardson of PARC discussing unistrokes. It looks like the foundation for the strokes is there. I wonder how Palm's version measures up to their tests.

Xerox and patents (1)

torqer (538711) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736034)

So Xerox has finally decided to play a little bit of hard ball. Took them long enough, they should have filed after they had their GUI stolen

Re:Xerox and patents (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2736190)

Actually, Apple PAID for the use of Xerox technologies. It was part of a stock deal. The Apple guys could use whatever they saw at Xerox in a one-time tour. The Apple people actually misinterpreted what Xerox did created a system based on that misconception. It turned out that the misconception created a more efficient system for representing windows on the screen. In any case, Apple paid for access to Xerox research.

Re:Xerox and patents (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2736195)

BTW: if the damned registration system worked, I wouldn't be an Anonymous Coward. Why can't your script send me e-mail? The address IS correct and valid. Since your bug tracker is incompatible with IE and Netscape refuses to go for more than a few seconds w/out hanging or otherwise misbehaving under OS X, I can't register on Source Forge to report the bug. You got that, I can't register on SF to complain that I can't register on /.

I guess the only solution... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2736035)

... is to make Grafitti Open-Source.

Pedophile? Me!? (-1)

The WIPO Troll (267426) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736048)

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That little hand makes your thing look really huge.
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When your dad's dick tastes like blood!
Two pedophiles are lying on a beach tanning, one turns to the other and says, "excuse me, you're in my son."
What's 18 inches long, blue, veiny, and makes a woman cry?
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How could the man's 7-year-old son tell that his dad has farked his 8-year-old sister? His dad's weiner tasted like blood!
Watson returns home to find Holmes in bed with a child. He shouts, "Is this some sort of a schoolgirl?"
Holmes replies, "Elementary, my dear Watson."
So I was having sex with my girlfriend, and I decided I wanted to get kinky and try and do her in the ass. So I slipped around back, she looked over her shoulder at me and said... "My, how presumptious of you." And I said "presumptious? That's a big word for a 10-year-old."
Two guys are walking down the street when a beautiful woman passes. The first guy says, "Damn! I'd love to tear her clothes off, do her in the rear, smear my feces all over her, slice off her breasts, chop her into little pieces, put her in a garbage bag and toss her into the river!"
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Boy: "These woods sure are spooky!"
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The Irony - Palm knew about this patent (3, Interesting)

GNU Zealot (442308) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736057)

In Palm's patent on "Method and apparatus for handwriting input on a pen based palmtop computing device" [] check out a couple of the references that are cited:

Article: "touch-Typing with a Stylus", by David Goldberg and Cate Richardson, (9) pages total/
Xerox patents relating to handwriting recognition, (5) pages total.

Goldberg is the inventor listed on Xerox's patent [] . I'm sure someone at Palm (perhaps Hawkins and Haitani) saw this one coming a mile away.

How about prior art of FIFTY YEARS? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2736060)

I took to grafitti like a fish to water when I bought my first 128k palm around 1997. Why? Believe it or not, my ham radio background.

I learned Morse code in 1978 from a fine old geezer in Sweden, who amongst other things taught me to write all characters as a single stroke: backwards 3 for "E", a sort of a triangle for "A", and so on - just like graffiti. It was all just to make copying Morse code easier, but it seemed such an easy way to write that I took to it in everyday life.

Now, I'm not saying that the Xerox or Palm dudes ripped off this idea from Ham Radio geeks. All I mean is that if you're pressed into having to print the standard Latin letters quickly, you are naturally going to end up with something that looks awfully much like the Ham/Morse chicken scratch, or Graffiti, or whatever you want to call it.

Re:How about prior art of FIFTY YEARS? (1)

jockm (233372) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736217)

Grafitti and the Xerox unistroke patents cover a bit more than being simply a replacement alphabet (though that is a hugh part), the other important factor is that recognition is done on the stylus release. The are some trick issues in making suck a system sork smoothly.

Also to qualify as prior art, it must have been published, not just "I knew this guy"

Re:How about prior art of FIFTY YEARS? (1)

jockm (233372) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736224)

Mea culpa the last sentance should have read:

making SUCH a system WORK smoothly

I forgot to preview first. My bad...

Re:How about prior art of FIFTY YEARS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2736298)

Try prior art of HUNDREDS OF YEARS. What that old radio man taught you was shorthand: a centuries-old way of writing quickly. So, what is Xerox patenting? Substituting something other than paper for writing on? Lightpens and stylus tablets have been around for decades. So has text-recognition. It wasn't until palm-sized computers came about that writing shorthand on a computer made sense.

Patents cover implementation, not ideas. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2736299)

And "I could have thought of that" does not mean it's obvious. It seems one thousand Slashdot stories about patents are having no effect at all.

Royalities? (1)

KingPrad (518495) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736063)

Do I have to send Xerox money when I initial documents, now?

I wonder if I can still get a patent on signatures, both legible and scribbled...


Won't this effect other PDAs as well? (2, Interesting)

sparcy (98419) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736069)

It seems to me the patent relates to any interface that changes stylus strokes into text. So wouldn't all PDAs be open to lawsuits since any PDA that does not use a keyboard uses a method of interpreting stylus strokes into text.

I wonder why the actual language was not taken into account since unistrokes seem to have only a couple of characters that match Graffiti strokes.

It seems that this patent, based on the ruling, would cover any interface that uses a motion (it did mention the fingers of the writer) that is recognized and translated to text. Even if another type of program was used what is to stop them from claiming the same case of infringement?

Re:Won't this effect other PDAs as well? (1)

Osty (16825) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736325)

It seems to me the patent relates to any interface that changes stylus strokes into text. So wouldn't all PDAs be open to lawsuits since any PDA that does not use a keyboard uses a method of interpreting stylus strokes into text.

I understood the patent to be about using single strokes to represent characters (ie, without lifting the stylus). Other PDAs (Pocket PC machines, for instance) allow you to use multiple strokes, and thus better approximates the alphabet. A little slower writing, and a little more prone to error (well, unless you take the time to configure it properly, and until you get used to it) than graffiti, maybe, but still very nice. And apparently immune to the patent in question.

Microsoft licensed Unistroke from Xerox (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2736086)

Microsoft paid Xerox for unistroke and the current version of the Pocket PC operating system has Grafitti. So there may be a time where the only legal version of grafitti in on a Pocket PC, and I say good. Microsoft did the proper thing, not that the knuckleheads here care.

How does BeOS figure in all this? (1)

reflexreaction (526215) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736089)

Considering Palm's recent acquistion of BeOS, are there any Graphitti comperable handwriting programs developed by the BeOS guys or were they too busy begging for device drivers from Intel and HP

Another day, another out of control IP case... (1)

MisterBlister (539957) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736098)

I'm not anti-patent, but I *am* anti-absurd-patent. The fact that a company can basically patent shorthand writing, which has been around for ages, as adapted to computers, is so ridiculously silly that it makes my head spin.

Of course, this is the last thing Palm needed as they are already hemmoraging in the market compared to the WinCE/PocketPC offerings...

Re:Another day, another out of control IP case... (2)

Mike Buddha (10734) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736153)

I concur. It's amazing that the US patent office would grant a patent on the number of strokes it takes to write a character...

Re:Another day, another out of control IP case... (2, Insightful)

jockm (233372) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736168)

Graffiti isn't shorthand it is an alternative alphabet (Shorthands are phonetic and take fewer strokes to render a word). We take it for granted now, but it was a truly innovate creation. It (along with the form factor) was a primary reason for Palm dominating the market. Not only did it make stylus input work, it made it practical since you could finally enter data at a rapid rate.

I'm not crazy about software patents, but I'm not going to say that unistrokes weren't innovative either.

Re: There is prior art from the 1920s! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2736331)

Not exactly. There are similar preexisting reduced stroke patterns for alphabets:
shows one used in printing for people who lose their sight later on in life. Note the continuous single stroke alphabet pattern which is quite like Graffiti.

Re: There is prior art from the 1920s! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2736334) bad, I didn't scroll to the bottom of the page--it's 1845! I'd say that beats Xeros PARC by quite a bit. =)

This is ridiculous (0)

nick_burns (452798) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736112)

But not as ridiculous as the great frowny emoticon debate [] . I guess I'll also have to stop writing capital I's and lowercase l's. :-(


Xerox is having a bad day. (1)

Gnea (2566) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736145)

Just when Xerox has some cash on hand, it has to deal with racial profiling of its employees.

Microsoft, Handspring (-1)

jeremyf (167087) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736155)

Umm, couldn't/shouldn't Microsoft be sued as well? They use pretty much an exact copy of Palm's graffiti for PocketPC's "Block Recognizer" (one of several input methods PPC uses, including crappy handwriting recognition).

Also, I think Handspring won't be hurt as much because they're putting their eggs in the Treo basket, which doesn't use graffiti in the main model (it uses a palm-sized keyboard, which is really nice IMO). Can't wait to get the color version, BTW.

Re:Microsoft, Handspring (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2736185)

dumbass, microsoft paid xerox for theirs.

Re:Microsoft, Handspring (-1)

jeremyf (167087) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736204)

I'll fight you >=(

Infringes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2736156)

...graffiti, the one stroke shorthand used on Palm Pilots, infringes a Xerox patent for "unistrokes".

Infringes on. "Infringe" is not a transitive verb.

Xerox? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2736157)

What does Xerox *DO*??

Great... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2736169)

...this is the last thing Palm needs.

I won't feel warm inside when Palm lays off their employees.

And this is probably creating big cheers in Redmond.


Really an invention? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2736181)

The HCI community has been investigating on gesture recognition problems long time ago. "One stroke" hand writing recognition algorithm has been released by Dean Rubine at CMU in a GNU license. Take a look on the paper by him at 1991 SIGGRAPH.

Specifying gestures by example, Dean Rubine, ACM SIGGRAPH Computer Graphics , Proceedings of the 18th international conference on Computer graphics July 1991, Volume 25 Issue 4

It is a part of the Andrew Toolkit, historical source is at here. []

It is a part of OpenAmulet [] now.

Perhaps a mouse is NOT a stylus.

Isn't it funny... (4, Interesting)

catseye_95051 (102231) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736196)

How MSNBC has a big story on how one of MS's cheif comeptitors lost a lawsuit whiel everyoen else is running the story that XP lets pirates take over your entoire computer?


MSNBC == MS PR + NBC's journalistic integrity bought and paid for.

Re:Isn't it funny... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2736286)


The XP story is 3rd on the MSNBC homepage underneath some trivial articles about Bin Laden having nuclear weapons and the government of Argentina collapsing.

This doesn't mean much (1)

pagercam2 (533686) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736212)

The patent law says that you must grant sub licenses at reasonable rates. Xerox has no benifit in stopping selling of the PalmOS, they on the other hand would be intereted in skimming a few bucks on the OS licensing fees. Xerox being in pretty bad shape could really use the cashm they don't really deserve the money as the single stroke isn't important the accuracy of the handwriting is what makes the system worth while, and thus where the value lies. Scumbag laywers, being scumbags see a chance to do a little skimming of there own, thus the case. My understanding is the Palm gets $8 for each device sold which seems like a lot, most embedded OS's only get $1-2 per use. So Palm may have to pay Xerox a few bucks and then pass that onto thier customers, $2 won't seem too much devices in the $150-$400 range. Handspring may get a pass with the new keyboard driven Treo, they have a Graffiti version but none of the ads or reviews have shown that version, kinda ironic after Mr Hawkins started Graffiti, which is now the problem.

While Xerox is at it.... (0)

Linuxthess (529239) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736231)

Why don't they just go out there and patent the "right to own patents, and sue on the basis of their misuse by third-parties".
Imagine! Every company that would want to sue another party for patent infringement, would first have to pay royalties to Xerox!
I think its brilliant, and a money tree for Xerox's misguided management.

quote from story (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2736241)

"Xerox always aggressively defends its patent portfolio"

it's not like steve jobs got anything from xerox without paying royalties

wait, maybe that thing that would never catch on, a gui, wasn't patented

Xerox.... the document company? (0)

Thaidog (235587) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736266)

I would have never guessed. Let see, is there anything these guys did not invent? The gui... Xerox... graffiti.... Xerox hmmm

Well, guys... (2)

Hobobo (231526) | more than 12 years ago | (#2736307)

I hate ot say this, but look at it form Xerox's perspective. They've invented so many cool technologies (Two obvious ones are the mouse and GUI), and they never made much money one them. Now they have something that's worth money, and considering what's happened to them in the past I don't think you can blame them for trying to make some money.
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