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Mozilla 0.9.7 Released!

chrisd posted more than 12 years ago | from the free-lizard dept.

Mozilla 436

Chezypewf writes: "The newest release from the Mozilla Dev team is out. This milestone features basic S/MIME support, favicon support and the Document Inspector, a tool to inspect and edit the live DOM of any web document or XUL application. You can grab it here: http://www.mozilla.org/releases "

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fristos postos! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2740571)

merry christmas!
unf me! [suidrewt.org]
boobs

Re:fristos postos! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2740773)

Ernest Saves Christmas was just on TV.

Boy that is a swell movie. I sure would like to fuck that underage girl in it too. I am sure she is doing porn now though.

Goody Goody (-1, Troll)

talonyx (125221) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740572)

Ooh Wow, the lastest version of a buggy, slow, bloated browser! I can't wait to downgrade my system again!

I'll stick with IE, thanks.

Re:Goody Goody (-1, Redundant)

omidk (3670) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740581)

hey! thanks for another useless bigoted post!

Re:Goody Goody (3, Troll)

flacco (324089) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740610)

Ooh Wow, the lastest version of a buggy, slow, bloated browser! I can't wait to downgrade my system again!

Ooh Wow, another Microsoft indentured servant!

It's obvious you haven't used Mozilla recently (like, the last three releases). Fantastic standards-compliant browser with excellent USER-FRIENDLY - as opposed to ADVERTISER-FRIENDLY - customization and privacy options.

And on my system, using Mozilla's quick start option, it loads FASTER than IE.

I'd love to chat, but I'm gonna rush off to get the new release!

Re:Goody Goody (1)

randomtangent (444213) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740634)

I just started using Mozilla with 9.5 and from the last ten minutes of playing with 9.7 I've seen a few good fixes. it no longer choked on a javascript open window link that made 9.6 hang instead it gives a nice error message. I can now get rid of the side bar that I don't use too.

If the improvments and bug fixes keep coming 1.0 will rock

Re:Goody Goody (-1, Flamebait)

cscx (541332) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740698)

Ooh Wow, another Microsoft indentured servant! It's obvious you haven't used Mozilla recently (like, the last three releases). Fantastic standards-compliant browser with excellent USER-FRIENDLY - as opposed to ADVERTISER-FRIENDLY - customization and privacy options.

My question to you is, why still use a browser that's "getting there," when IE has kicked its ass long ago? I mean, jeez, the scrollbars don't even work right in the preferences dialog box. It obviously shows that Mozilla, while I appreciate the effort, is still a work in progress.

So Mozilla is open source. So what? Who cares? Remember what browser this came from? Netscape. I remember the days when I had a choice between IE and Netscape --- I could pay the $50 for Netscape or download IE for free. I chose IE (duh), and stuck with it ever since. The Microsoft programmers behind IE are a talented bunch. I'm not saying that the Mozilla crew isn't, but by its model, progress will be slow. IE is already 3 miles ahead in the 500 m dash. And IE keeps getting better. There's no going back.

And don't get off on calling me an "apologist." I'm just telling it like it is -- you know it's true.

Re:Goody Goody (1, Insightful)

VALinux (449801) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740730)

I think IE's security flaws speak for themselves in this argument. Would you rather live in a house under renovation, with a few scaffolds and paint cans lying around, but otherwise locked up tighter than a bank vault, or in a beautiful finished mansion with no locks on the door and a giant neon sign outside that says "FREE STUFF HERE, PLEASE STEAL MY STEREO!"

I rest my case.

Re:Goody Goody (1)

cscx (541332) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740775)

The mansion. I live in a good neighborhood.

Re:Goody Goody (3, Informative)

hodeleri (89647) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740763)

Um, since when did IE beat Mozilla here [bath.ac.uk] ? IE doesn't even support <link>!

Re:Goody Goody (1)

flacco (324089) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740788)

I mean, jeez, the scrollbars don't even work right in the preferences dialog box.

So Mozilla is open source. So what? Who cares?

Well, I care. And I think your priorities are pretty lame.

As for "telling it like it is" - you're simply telling it as you see it. That's cool I guess. I just think standards compliance, openness, and privacy controls are more important than whether or not the Mozilla team has fixed the preferences scrollbar yet.

And cross-platform is pretty freakin cool too.

To each his own.

Re:Goody Goody (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Pancake (458864) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740721)

Top Nine Reasons to Quit Slashdot.org
#9. Slashdot is a plot by Microsoft to destroy the productivity of Linux users.

I have friends who were once tremendously productive programmers, until they started reading Slashdot. Then, the endless stream of links, updated a dozen times a day no less (so you don't go once a day to get your fix; instead, you keep a window open and hit reload every twenty minutes or so), steadily seduced them, until they eventually became babbling idiots, dribbling saliva from the corners of their mouths, ranting on the forums about the relative merits of Karma Whores and Anonymous Cowards. Can there be any doubt that this website is anything other than a nefarious ploy to destroy Linux by undermining the productivity of its developers? And is there any organization that would like to destroy Linux more than Microsoft? (Well, maybe the Santa Cruz Operation...) Is it any coincidence that just as the Feds were working out Microsoft's sentence, Microsoft sued Slashdot, resulting in a firestorm of geek ire that totally overshadowed the monopoly ruling?

#8. Screaming 14-year-old boys attempting to prove to each other that they are more 3133t than j00.

Need I say more?

#7. Technical opinions refereed by popular vote means lousy technical opinions.

Before the Internet, a certain breed of deconstructionists had a lot of fun telling everybody that "privileging of dominant paradigms" was wrecking the world. The Internet has taught us that privileging certain views is absolutely crucial to avoid drowning in the ravings of idiots. On Slashdot, many articles discuss technical issues---but comments are refereed by popular vote, and even though the populace of Slashdot readers knows somewhat more than your average set of people off the street, they still tend to promote (as in "moderate up") a lot of technical nonsense. Reading Slashdot can therefore often be worse than useless, especially to young and budding programmers: it can give you exactly the wrong idea about the technical issues it raises.

The pre-Internet publishing world had magazines, newspapers, and journals with editors. Respectable publications hired qualified editors. Those qualified editors were educated enough to make intelligent decisions about the quality of content. The Slashdot model removes the editors and substitutes popular vote, and the result (unfortunately) is that the quality level becomes incredibly inconsistent. It was an interesting experiment; it didn't work, not for Slashdot (though it might work in some other population of users). Too bad. Now, it's time to quit.

#6. Community myth that Linux is technically superior to any other operating system in the known universe.

People who do operating systems research, of course, think this is a joke. Dissent from this view in Slashdot, however, and you'd better be wearing your asbestos fatigues.

#5. Butt-ugly visual design.

Of course, this one's a matter of taste. However, in my analysis, the visual elements of the Slashdot site are basically hopelessly confused and wrong. From the cryptic links in the left margin, to the drop-shadowed graphics (hello, digital design cliche circa 1994?), to the offensively lousy color scheme (let's use circuit board green, because it's "News for Nerds", right?) I can't find much to like about the design of Slashdot.

#4. Gullible editorial staff continues to post links to any and all articles that vaguely criticize Linux in any way.

Blowhards (like the flock of irresponsible columnists over at the Windows-boosterism rag InfoWorld) have had tons of fun taking advantage of this tendency to drive hits to their site. On any given day, Slashdot readers are treated to another link to another column by another self-proclaimed pundit declaring that Linux is (pick one) unreliable, not scalable, not user-friendly, doomed, piracy-inducing, foul-smelling, or un-American. And irony was that the editors of Slashdot are falling right into the pundits' trap: inciting the Slashdot community is the one surefire way to drive up your hit count and hence your revenue from ad banners. Did the Slashdot editors ever wise up? Not that I ever saw. Given how tiresome the endless pro-Linux jihad had become by the time I quit, I have very little desire to go back and find out whether that's changed.

#3. Gullible editorial staff continues to post links to bogus pseudoscience articles by crackpots.

At the time I quit, the editors were posting links to theories of alternate consciousness, unified theories of the universe made up by people in their garages, and the like at a rate of two or three a week. And the number was only increasing. If I want to read articles that promote totally bogus pseudoscience, I'll open up the Village Voice. We don't need another webzine filling that role.

#2. Editorial/comment system pretends to be democratic but in reality most content remains firmly in the iron clasp of the editors.

The above problems with editorial could be solved if stories could be moderated as well as comments, or if editors paid attention to negative feedback about the posting of certain articles. However, the editorial staff, while pretending to be ideology-free selectors of any "interesting" content, in fact exert tremendous power over the content of the site, because they are the only ones who can select top-level links. They have furthermore demonstrated, for all the reasons above, that they cannot use this power wisely.

In fact, if you think about it, the links on Slashdot are easily an order of magnitude less interesting, on average, than those of Suck, Hotwired, or FEED---all of which are run by smart editors with good taste (and two of which are dead---thus proving that only the good die young). If you've read any of these webzines, you'll probably agree. Rob and Hemos simply don't compare, as editors, to Stephen Johnson or Joey Anuff.

So, really, it's time to ask yourself: why should I read Slashdot? Because it targets my demographic? That's a silly reason. So why not quit today?

#1. Two words: Jon Katz.

Every community has its resident gasbag. The difference between Slashdot and other communities is that they have the means to kick their village idiot off his soapbox, but they lack the will. If Jon Katz is not the single worst writer for any webzine, anywhere on the planet, alive today, then I am a penguin. His writing manages to be endlessly meandering and verbose, and simultaneously utterly content-free.

Notice, by the way, that I have not said a word about his technical acumen. It's not necessary to. Katz (who, like all opportunists, likes to paint himself as an innocent victim whenever he's criticized) makes a big deal about how there are "technical snobs" in the Linux user population who blast him for not being a technical genius. To tell the truth, Katz's inability to install even recent Linux distributions (which are arguably as easy to install as MacOS or Windows) on a run-of-the-mill x86 PC does testify to his general cluelessness. However, Katz is not a programmer or sysadmin; he's a writer. He must stand or fall based on the quality of his writing. And his writing is totally the pits. He would never have gotten published anywhere but Slashdot; even WIRED, cheerleaders of all things "digital" and "decentralized", finally got tired of his babbling and let him go. The cheesiest, most blatantly pandering "Hookers Who Read Proust" article on Salon.com displays more literary skill than the finest Katz screed ever to see the light of day.

To make things worse, Katz is also a shameless opportunist who regularly uses Slashdot to promote his books. And the Slashdot admins go right along with it. You can't criticize someone for their taste in friends, but you can criticize them for continuing in a relentless and blind nepotism that destroys the quality of the site.

No single factor wase more pivotal in driving me away from Slashdot than Jon Katz. Even when I registered for an account and filtered Katz out, still he made it into news items not labeled Jon Katz---presumably to promote sales of his book. What other webzine displays such a blatant disrespect for its readers?

But then again, Katz's pandering, one-note "Ich bin ein Geek" spiel may be exactly what the Slashdot audience deserves.

Simply put, it's time to quit Slashdot, once and for all.

ISO in the stocking (2, Funny)

satanami69 (209636) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740575)

Shoot, there is still not support for MSN's "Secure Password authentication". One day, one day.

Mozilla is great and all, BUT... (2, Funny)

gayrod (545101) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740577)

If it's ever going to topple MSIE, they need to slow their development rate. The fact that Microsoft goes from IE4->IE5->IE6 confuses enough newbie users, going from 0.0093->0.0094->0.00103 every 2 weeks is beyond most people.

Great browser, ridiculously fast development rate. Slow it down guys, release every .1

My two cents.

- Dave Brennins

Re:Mozilla is great and all, BUT... (1, Insightful)

Segod (463725) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740588)

You're forgetting that mozilla isn't intended for newbies. That is what Netscape releases are for.

Re:Mozilla is great and all, BUT... (0)

omidk (3670) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740589)

netscape releases much more infrequently. Want you are witenessing are milestones. They are there to scope and make a software project manageable. Im sure IE has internal milestones that we never got to see! BTW, the difference between ie 5 -> 5.5 -> 6 is really laughable. They are just patching security bugs.

Re:Mozilla is great and all, BUT... (-1, Troll)

krackbebe (545104) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740590)

My response to this is, that our society would be a lot better off without you lawyer scum always poo poo'ing everything. Maybe if you got out of your ambulance chaser and started coding, you'd have something to complain about. Until then, keep it to yourself buddy!

Re:Mozilla is great and all, BUT... (-1)

beee (98582) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740595)

i think he has a valid point and you're just a giant cunt!

Re:Mozilla is great and all, BUT... (0, Offtopic)

krackbebe (545104) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740602)

How rude! You sir are a cretin of the worst kind. What an abomination.

Re:Mozilla is great and all, BUT... (-1)

Genghis Troll (158585) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740706)

Whoa, cool. This cunt just spit out a crouton.

Re:Mozilla is great and all, BUT... (0, Offtopic)

krackbebe (545104) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740729)

Is that sort of language really necessary to propel your opinion forward? I think not, and I'd appreciate it if you laid off it. Thanks for your time.

Re:Mozilla is great and all, BUT... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2740779)

Shut the fuck up, assbreath.

Re:Mozilla is great and all, BUT... (2, Insightful)

SEE (7681) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740619)

Okay, let me slam you around with a very short quote:

"We make binary versions of Mozilla available for testing purposes only!"

Again,

"We make binary versions of Mozilla available for testing purposes only!"

See the first line on the release page? It says:

"We make binary versions of Mozilla available for testing purposes only!"

If you want a not-testing-purposes-only browser, go use Netscape 6.2. Binary versions of Mozilla are are available for testing purposes only.

Re:Mozilla is great and all, BUT... (-1)

beee (98582) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740622)

Mr SEE thinks he's do damn cool with his 10,000 username, doesn't he. Well, made up quotes don't impress anyone. Find me a link and I'll believe it, fancyfuck.

Re:Mozilla is great and all, BUT... (1)

SEE (7681) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740642)

Okay. Click on the link in the article [mozilla.org] , repeated here for your convenience. You will see a heading "Releases". Look at the next sentence.

Re:Mozilla is great and all, BUT... (0)

omidk (3670) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740653)

dude you should fee those damn trolls that hang out 'round here ;)

Re:Mozilla is great and all, BUT... (2, Funny)

SEE (7681) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740672)

Trolls are a valuable part of the ecosystem, despite their low intelligence, lack of manners, and grotesque features. Those who advocate starving them are not only inhumane, they are risking the life of /. itself.

;-)

the ecosystem??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2740755)


Funny.

Re:Mozilla is great and all, BUT... (0, Offtopic)

SEE (7681) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740654)

Oh, and who gives a damn about UID numbers? The proportion of idiots with 4-digit UIDs is the same as the proportion in those with 5-didgit and six-digit UIDs. Just ask anyone who disagrees with me.

Re:Mozilla is great and all, BUT... (0, Offtopic)

maelstrom (638) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740670)

Well, they are sometimes a useful gauge as to who has been around a little longer. Agreed, that can't be the only determining factor, but there doees seem to be some evidence of this. *cough*

Apparently you are still a bit too new to realize that you shouldn't respond to trolls. I guess you'll learn sooner or later.

Re:being off-topic is great and all, BUT ... (1)

RLiegh (247921) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740689)


Well, they are sometimes a useful gauge as to who has been around a little longer. Agreed, that can't be the only determining factor, but there doees seem to be some evidence of this. *cough*


Not necessarily; I lurked and read for at least a year before signing up...then let my account slip for another 6 months before actually using it.

I don't believe the UIDs mean a whole f*k of a lot.

Re:being off-topic is great and all, BUT ... (1)

maelstrom (638) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740693)

I agree, look at me!

Re:Mozilla is great and all, BUT... (-1)

beee (98582) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740690)

i'd just like to point out how the guy with the 600 UID just owned SEEMEN. thanks.

Re:Mozilla is great and all, BUT... (-1)

beee (98582) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740676)

get a life, that discussion is OVER. go back to feeding trolls, you cuntdrip.

Re:Mozilla is great and all, BUT... (1)

krackbebe (545104) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740657)

Hey man, can you tone it down a little bit. Messages like this are unhelpful and a tad rude. It just puts off the newbies from our Linux culture. Let's keep it clean and above the belt, thanks!

Re:Mozilla is great and all, BUT... (1)

RLiegh (247921) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740677)

It would seem that the versions distributed with your free unixes are not the testing versions; at least not the talk-back ones.

I'm still using 0.9 on NetBSD (when I'm not posting from IE. :p); can't wait for the pkgsrc version of 0.9.7 to show up. :):)

Re:Mozilla is great and all, BUT... (1)

netdemonboberb (314045) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740769)

That article is old and out of date. Mozilla milestones are meant to be stable releases that can be used as a personal browser. They are also for testing purposes, but not so much as the nightly binaries.

I don't understand why he wants it to be slowed down, though. He doesn't have to download every milestone release that comes out.

I download Mozilla binaries about once a week, rebuild my source tree entirely once a week, and pull and build portions of the tree every day, so a month seems like a very long time to go between versions. Its all relative.

Therefore, if he wants to see a release schedule like Microsoft's, he can just download ever .1 versions or so.

If he thinks we should make releases less often and spend more time testing, he might have a valid point, but he should realize that Mozilla changes so much in a month it merits a new release.

Re:Mozilla is great and all, BUT... (0)

VALinux (449801) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740696)

Mozilla is a constantly evolving product. One of the many benefits of the open source model is that whenever somebody comes up with a unique new feature or bug fix, you can have it in your hands almost instantaneously. The downside is that if that feature introduces a horrible bug, you get that immediately. It's really a crap chute.

This is the same game you play with closed-source products, only you play it less often with IE, therefore you are more likely to lose. Think about it, would you rather risk $1000 on one pull of a slot machine, or play the nickel slots 20000 times? You would clearly have a higher chance of winning with the second option.

Re:Mozilla is great and all, BUT... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2740725)

It's really a crap chute.


No, Mozilla is a crap shoot, as in playing the game "craps." A crap chute is a chute that crap comes out of, but a big troll like you probably knows all about that.

Re:Mozilla is great and all, BUT... (1)

krackbebe (545104) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740741)

Emmett is that you?

Dammit! I *just* downloaded 0.9.6 (0, Redundant)

Kris_J (10111) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740580)

ARGH! How many more MB of browsers am I going to need to download this week?

Re:Dammit! I *just* downloaded 0.9.6 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2740608)

Thank you for this insightful (NOT) reply. After all, we don't see this exact response for ANY software release! Perhaps you should've downloaded 0.9.6 a month ago when it was released rather than whining now. Seriously, you're not funny!!

Re:Dammit! I *just* downloaded 0.9.6 (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2740765)

Dammit, cmdr taco just snotted in my mouth again. And that's not funny!

Re:Dammit! I *just* downloaded 0.9.6 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2740614)

This is getting old. Download Mozilla only *when* you see an announcement on Slashdot and you'll be fine. Or wait a few *hours* to avoid the slashdotting (I bet they're releasing the software during the Pacific Ocean timezone to avoid the slashdot effect, cowards).

Re:Dammit! I *just* downloaded 0.9.6 (4, Informative)

asa (33102) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740680)

I bet they're releasing the software during the Pacific Ocean timezone to avoid the slashdot effect, cowards).

I'm sure you said that with a wink, but in case not I'll tell you why we release software late in the evening on Fridays. It's because we bust our butts all week trying to get it wrapped up before the weekend. If we work hard and luck is with us we get it out late in the day Friday. If we run into unexpected problems then it's sometime the following week. Fortune smiled on us this milestone cycle and I think we've got something really good to offer (and on time too ;-)

--Asa

Re:Dammit! I *just* downloaded 0.9.6 (-1)

beee (98582) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740708)

Watch out guys, this is an imposter... asa@mozilla.org doesn't even work.

Re:Dammit! I *just* downloaded 0.9.6 (2)

Kris_J (10111) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740718)

I assume you weren't with me yesterday or the day before when we were discussing Internet Explorer's latest security flaw here on /. and I was debating whether or not to install a new browser. I got Mozilla running on my PC for the first time about 6 hours ago.

Anyway, it's not supposed to be insightful, I'm just expressing frustration.

Freeze that Jelly (0, Flamebait)

mbrod (19122) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740582)

Are they ever going to freeze Mozilla and just fix bugs?

Re:Freeze that Jelly (0)

omidk (3670) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740599)

no. they are going to keep adding features so that they can make it more and more unstable. Seriously, do you people with your cries about bloatware really believe that someone is sitting there and deciding to ignore all of the incoming bugs and decides instead to add the next generation flash/popup plugin?????

Re:Freeze that Jelly (3, Interesting)

Simm0 (236060) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740648)

For your information 1586 bugs were fixed between the 0.9.6 and the 0.9.7 releases. I actually think Mozilla has a slow development cycle. IMHO this cycle is well suited to Mozilla itself because it allows the people who want a stable build without blatent regressions to acutally be testing it for finer grained bugs. Mozilla still has a frozen period for about a week where the code to be released is branched and only outstanding issues are fixed.

what, no freebsd ? (1)

alphaque (51831) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740587)

sadly, they dont yet have a freebsd binary download, as they did for 0.9.6.

with something which changes so much, downloading binaries makes a lot more sense than building from source each time. would sure help in the beta-testing and bug-fix process. additionally, the binary tarballs are smaller than the source distros, so that saves on some internet traffic.

wonder if anyone in the freebsd community would do this soon for 0.9.7 ?

Re:what, no freebsd ? (0, Flamebait)

krackbebe (545104) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740611)

I thought you FreeBSD people liked to compile things. I always hear you whining about how great /usr/ports is compared to apt-get upgrade.

If BSD people aren't whining about how great ports is, they are whining about how FreeBSD runs Linux binaries better than Linux. How about you either do it yourself, or shut the hell up cakeboy?

Re:what, no freebsd ? (5, Informative)

asa (33102) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740633)

Give it time, friend.

mozilla.org provies binaries for linux, mac (9 and X) and windows. Other builds (the dozen or so other platforms you're used to seeing at ftp.mozilla.org) are contributed by "platform champions" who take the time to make binaries so that you don't have to.

It's late in the week, christmas and the new year right around the corner. Give folks a little time (usually only a matter of days) to make those builds and send them in to mozilla.org.

Or you could do one better and make a build and contribute it to mozilla.org sooner. See Building a Mozilla distro [mozilla.org] for tips.

--Asa

Re:what, no freebsd ? (0, Troll)

gayrod (545101) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740641)

I'm sure they hardly care about FreeBSD users, who make up such a small minority that compiling anything for them is wasting time / resources.

It's like offering a compiled version for Microsoft Bob users - no one will download it, and if they did, they'd just be laughed at.

Get a real OS, then you can be entitled to bitch about lack of binaries for your backwater, unsecure, amateur operating system that'll never be anything more than a train wreck of code that lifeless hobbyists twiddle with.

Peace.

- Dave Brennins

Re:what, no freebsd ? (and favicon.ico) (1)

MavEtJu (241979) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740667)

That there sometimes is, or isn't, a release for FreeBSD is confusing.

If you see the time-scale it came in the ports-collection for the 0.9.6 release:

ftp.mozilla.org: Nov 21 01:10 mozilla-source-0.9.6.tar.bz2

In the ports-collection: Revision 1.74 / [...], Wed Nov 21 16:27:41 2001 UTC (4 weeks, 2 days ago) by sobomax: Update to 0.9.6. [...]

That's the same day!

Please wait a couple of days and get it from your own ports-collection or download it in binary format from ftp.freebsd.org (or your local mirror) in /pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-4-stable/www.

About favicon.ico, I've written a small manual how to make them in a unix-environment [mavetju.org]

Mozilla (2, Insightful)

SuperDuG (134989) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740596)

I really am trying to find a good reason to even keep netscape on my box anymore. If there were just a good repository of plugins Mozilla would be the best damned browser available ... I would compare it to Netscape, but it has obviously surpassed netscape so I will compare it to the next best thing. I think it definantelly holds its weight against IE ... In fact with all the new integration ... I think it beats IE ... all we need are the plugins ... and we're set ... at least crossover has started to help ..

Re:Mozilla (2)

IHateEverybody (75727) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740660)


I really am trying to find a good reason to even keep netscape on my box anymore. If there were just a good repository of plugins Mozilla would be the best damned browser available ... I would compare it to Netscape, but it has obviously surpassed netscape so I will compare it to the next best thing. I think it definantelly holds its weight against IE ... In fact with all the new integration ... I think it beats IE ... all we need are the plugins ... and we're set ... at least crossover has started to help ..

I'm inclined to agree. With the Quicklaunch option enabled, Mozilla is faster than IE on my system. I'm loving the new tabbed browsing. It's great for keeping my place on sites like Slashdot where there are a lot of links to outside sites. Mozilla's cookie management and form management is wonderful. And I'm really starting to like its sidebars and its handling of bookmarks.

Mozilla runs Netscape plugins (5, Informative)

kimihia (84738) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740669)

Copy the files from your "plugins" subdirectory for Netscape to the "plugins" subdirectory for Mozilla. They will work. I've been running Quicktime (under Windows) and Flash with no problems.

Well, I did have one problem ... where I forgot to copy the Quicktime 5 plugin over the Quicktime 4 plugin, and it would crash when the page was unloaded. That was fixed by getting the plugin version to match the DLLs it was linked against. Doh!

Re:Mozilla (2)

DennyK (308810) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740675)

Just curious...what plugins are you having trouble with? Mozilla adopted all of my Netscape plugins without a hitch; just copy over the files from one Plugins dir to the other. It's fine with Java, Shockwave/Flash (before I deleted it anyway), Quicktime, Crescendo, and a handful of others that I don't remember off the top of my head. Never had any problems with plugins before (or at least, not that didn't show up in N4.7 also...)

DennyK

Re:Mozilla (1)

bn557 (183935) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740733)

The ONLY reason I still use Netscape on my box is that I know like a quarter of a million people who use Aol and the way that AIM integrates with netscape is pretty nice. I'm sure that you could hack it so it was part of mozilla, but I'm lazy.

Pat

Re:Mozilla (5, Informative)

netdemonboberb (314045) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740740)

I am a mozilla developer, and I use both Netscape 6 and Mozilla. Most of the time, though, I use Netscape for browsing because there is a stability factor in the fact that I am not constantly changing it, editing the source, downloading new nightlies, etc. I have 4 versions of Mozilla on my disk usually at once, along with Netscape 6:
1) Source tree for hacking
2) Binary tree for hacking the chrome
3) Binary tree of a recent nightly to keep track of feature progress
4) Latest milestone release

I use Netscape 6 for browsing because I am not constantly editing, hacking, crashing, replacing, or deleting it. I started doing this last year when downloading a new version of Mozilla might mean that your profile doesn't work anymore.

I imagine for people who don't work on the Mozilla project and don't do what I do, it might be better just to get Mozilla and forget Netscape altogether.

There are some advantages to getting Netscape 6 instead though. It has better plugin support from companies such as Macromedia, integrated AIM, has been more thoroughly tested (as it comes from a milestone branch), has spell-checker, is made to be easier to use than Mozilla, has a better help system, is more polished and attractive, and should generally be more stable and functional - although this is not always the case.

Some disadvantages of Netscape 6 are that it is a much larger download, more bloated, always a couple months behind Mozilla in terms of features, doesn't have IRC Chat (though this may change in the future), has a somewhat quirky installation server (though this should change too), has a private bug database, and comes with a lot of bundled programs which people might not want.

Therefore, it all depends on your preferences which program you use. If you are an advanced user, then Mozilla might be all you need. For the average user, though, Netscape 6 would be what I would recommend. I might also recommend always having up-to-date copies of both programs, and using the one you like the best. Remember, as Mozilla has few users compared to Netscape, the web might not be always written with Mozilla in mind. Therefore, there might be sites that - for instance - sniff for Netscape 6 but not for Mozilla, or plugins that only work on Netscape 6.

from the release notes "What's New" (5, Informative)

asa (33102) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740605)

What's New In This Release
  • The Labels feature in Mail&News is now fully implemented. Organize your mail messages with the following new features:
    • Add labels to messages via context menus or the Message menu.
    • Clear labels from messages.
    • Change description and color of the labels via preferences (Edit | Preferences | Mail & Newsgroups | Labels). Five different labels are supported.
    • Add filter rules to set labels to spec.
  • Mozilla Mail&News now supports basic S/MIME functionality although the UI is still incomplete.
  • The Document Inspector [mozilla.org] is now enabled in complete installations. The DOM Inspector is a tool that can be used to inspect and edit the live DOM of any web document or XUL application. The DOM hierarchy can be navigated using a two-paned window that allows for a variety of different views on the document and all nodes within. If you're using the Mozilla installer, be sure to switch from typical, to complete or custom install to install the DOM inspector and JS Debugger.
  • The Mac OSX toolbar collapse button is now implemented. Press this button in the title bar to toggle display of toolbars.
  • The latest and greatest ChatZilla 0.8.5 is now shipping in Mozilla.
  • Springloaded folders -- Dragging and hovering over a bookmark or message folder will expand the folder.
  • Mozilla works again on Mac OS 8.5.
  • Mozilla now supports shortcut icons [microsoft.com] (a.k.a favicons) and custom page icons in bookmarks and in the personal toolbar.
  • If you type into the URL bar while a page is loading, your text is no longer overwritten when the page load completes.
  • The sidebar now has a Close button.
  • Print preview is now available on Macintosh.
  • Mozilla now has support for digest access authentication.
  • The Save Page operation now also saves images, stylesheets, objects and applets included in the page.
  • Mozilla now supports the longdesc [bath.ac.uk] attribute of the img tag. The longdesc attribute contains a link to a file describing the image in detail, for those times where the image cannot be downloaded. To view the longdesc, right click on an image, click 'properties' in the context menu, then click on the description url in the properties dialog.
  • Mozilla has a new advanced preference panel for fine-grained JavaScript control. For instance, you can disallow pop up and pop-under windows without turning off JavaScript altogether.
  • When a page using a strict document type declaration (e.g. HTML 4.01 Strict) links to an external style sheet (using <link>, @import, etc) Mozilla will only load the style sheet if it is served with a MIME type of "text/css". Style sheets served with other MIME types, like text/plain, application/x-pointplus, etc. will not be loaded. To add the proper css mime type to an Apache web servers, add "text/css css" to the system mime.types file. Or if you can't do that, add "AddType text/css .css" to your .htaccess file.


  • --Asa

mod this the fuck down (-1)

beee (98582) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740617)

KARMA WHORE!

Re:mod this the fuck down (5, Troll)

asa (33102) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740655)

> KARMA WHORE!

Um, that's my text. I'm the co-author of the release notes and the originator of the what's new section. I would think that I'm allowed to post that here and save a bit of load on our releases page (not to mention the added convenience for /. readers).

--Asa

Re:mod this the fuck down (-1)

beee (98582) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740682)

oh my mistake. can i pretend to co-author release notes too?

Re:mod this the fuck down (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2740712)

and, amusingly, asa got more karma from the reply than the original post. twat.

WARNING: Imposter (-1, Flamebait)

gayrod (545101) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740713)

I doubt your claim to be one of the co-authors of the release notes, as your e-mail address isn't even valid. I wonder what the Mozilla people would think if they knew some troll was impersonating one of their team.

Re:WARNING: Imposter (-1, Offtopic)

waerloga01 (308176) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740771)

Nice for you to say, your server dosen't even appear to be registered.

Pot, Kettle, Black.

Re:mod this the fuck down (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2740742)

bee 0wn3d j00

...and you should know better; don't ya think?

favicon (3, Funny)

Daspek (132130) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740625)

wow. now i can finally create one and avoid shtuff like
198.236.22.34 - - [21/Dec/2001:10:27:47 -0800] "GET /favicon.ico HTTP/1.0" 404 272
in my http logs, without feeling bad for catering only to windows ie users.

fav icons...man... i can't wait until we have magical talking paperclips, too!

Re:favicon (1)

krackbebe (545104) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740636)

Oddly, KDE's Konqueror makes heavy use of favicon.ico. *shrug*

You ought not talk like that. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2740627)

You're nothing but a humped over retard. Ah, I'm just kidding yah! Hey, what the hell are you doing with that hammer?

Re:You ought not talk like that. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2740639)

I don't know, I just kinda woke up a-holdin' it.

Re:You ought not talk like that. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2740652)

I like the way you talk!

Re:You ought not talk like that. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2740658)

I like the way you talk too!

Didn't think it would come to this (1)

Pussy Is Money (527357) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740628)

Frankly I began to get doubts about whether Mozilla would ever get anywhere. Even though I pretty quickly ditched NS 4.7 in favor of Moz. Or perhaps I came to that conclusion exactly because of the experience. Tried galeon back then but it was very fussy and not very stable.

But the 0.9 releases of Moz have shaped up very impressively; add the 1.0 Galeon release and it's almost flawless. Useful window management (remember, where the computer is used to help you manage your windows) with multiple desktops and Galeon's fullscreen mode make an excellent browsing platform indeed.

*drooling over this feature* (4, Informative)

Misch (158807) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740659)

I know, it's beena round, but I'm happy to have this feature:

http://www.mozilla.org/releases/mozilla0.9.7/#new [mozilla.org]

Mozilla has a new advanced preference panel for fine-grained JavaScript control. For instance, you can disallow pop up and pop-under windows without turning off JavaScript altogether.

I'd still like to have site-by-site preferences wihtout having to edit the prefs.js file, but, what can you do? (i know... i know... write the damn code yourself...)

Re:*drooling over this feature* (1)

ender81b (520454) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740785)

OPera [opera.com] has had this feature for awhile, and unlike mozilla, doesn't take 35 seconds to load..

REALITY CHECK TIME (1, Flamebait)

darkPHi3er (215047) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740661)

FOR THE RECORD:

1. i use mozilla

2. i like mozilla (mostly more than exploder 6)

3. i hope mozilla succeeds past ALL our wildest expectations

BUT.

the news we NEED to hear isn't about release candidates

THE NEWS WE ALL NEED TO HEAR ABOUT MOZILLA IS THAT AOL AND/OR SUN AND/OR IBM AND/OR EARTHLINK AND/OR the EU AND/OR CHINA or ???????

is going to adopt mozilla as its mandatory standard, at the expense of other browsers...

'cause other than that we're all a bunch of ICU nurses/doctors playing a Dead Pool bet

sorry!

REALITY BITES!
......

Re:REALITY CHECK TIME (2)

asa (33102) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740734)

THE NEWS WE ALL NEED TO HEAR ABOUT MOZILLA IS THAT AOL AND/OR SUN AND/OR IBM AND/OR EARTHLINK AND/OR the EU AND/OR CHINA or ???????

Amen! I'd love to hear that news. Making Mozilla better gets us closer to hearing something like that. There are lots of ways that you can help to make Mozilla better. See getting involved [mozilla.org] page for some of them.

--Asa

Ooooh... (0, Offtopic)

TellarHK (159748) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740662)

Great, so it looks like there's still time to take that Quake 2 source and roll that into Mozilla to make a new feature that Microsoft will never touch. QuakeTML. All we need is a nice markup language for blood splatters and trash talk...

Excellent. (1)

SaDan (81097) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740674)

What an outstanding browser, regardless of the OS you run it on!

Mozilla is good stuff... Keep up the great work.

Re:Excellent. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2740715)

It's got to be a good browser to make up for that POS Linux you use it on.

Upgrade to mandrake, you luddite dumbfuck; you KNOW YOU WANT TO!!!

Re:Excellent. (2, Funny)

SaDan (81097) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740747)

It's got to be a good browser to make up for that POS Linux you use it on.
I don't use Mozilla on any point of sale machines... I don't know what you're referring to. Sorry.

Re:Excellent. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2740781)


[user@localhost$]wtf pos
pos: piece of shit
[user@localhost$]

Lame attempt at humor noted and filed.

tell it back to the slackware forum..oh, wait, I forgot...they mismanaged the slackware forum into obscurity. :D :D :D

Thanks (1)

Pussy Is Money (527357) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740679)

Thanks to all at Mozilla, Asa, Brendan, Seth, Steve, Dave, Boris, Navin, Brian, Peter, Mike, Simon, timeless... Etcetera. We know who you are. We can see the ruthless triage and the late nights, the cross platform blues. X font handling. Sorry for doubting you in the past guys. Maybe ultracapitalism, anarchy and Internet Explorer will not rule after all. And the beast shall multiply a thousandforth, eh? And the followers of Mammon shall tremble? I better find a new job

Mozilla obsolete (-1)

Anonymous Pancake (458864) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740686)

In case you haven't noticed, most websites are made for MSIE. No point even TRYING out mozilla, as many pages do not and will not support it. You are just asking for a head ache

Re:Mozilla obsolete (1)

RLiegh (247921) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740724)

Really weird you should say that...I use IE only on NT; which I'm rarely even in. I use mozilla anywhere else and can't think of a single page I've come across that it won't load in.

Hell; my gf even did her online-banking in mozilla; now that is sweet. :):)

Re:Mozilla obsolete (0, Interesting)

SaDan (81097) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740739)

Actually, Mozilla is one of the more web standards compliant browser out there. I can write an HTML 4.01 Strict web page that will NOT render on MSIE (IE 5.5SP2, at least).

If I can't look at a site in Mozilla or another popular W3C standards compliant browser, I quickly lose interest in what that site has to offer.

S/MIME Support (2)

Alan (347) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740688)

OMG! Finally! Thankyou mozilla devs for getting this in, it is the one final thing that means I can get rid of crappy ol' netscape 4.x! Those of us stuck with email that is required to be encrypted (company mail etc) and who are linux users can now leave the realm of netscape 4.x!

The UI is still very incomplete. It didn't seem to want to let me sign or encrypt email (which sucks) but I could read it, view my certs, and do other basic operations, which is all I need. The encrypting of mail is of course still needed, but I'm going to guess that the ui glitches (the menu item not recognizing that I'd selected "always encrypt") are going to be resolved in .9.7.1 or nightly builds.

Again, great job mozilla! Thank you from this linux + s/mime user!

(and no, the boss wouldn't let us just use pgp/gpg....)

0.9.7 has new pop-up-stopper UI -- (5, Interesting)

wideangle (169366) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740694)

-- though the wording [mozilla.org] needs a little work:
Scripts and Windows
x Enable Javascript
x Open Windows by themselves
x Move or resize existing windows
x Make windows flip over or under other windows
x Change status bar text
x Change Images
x Create or change cookies
x Read cookies

Can you guess which one stops pop-ups?
Would a usability [bohmann.dk] expert [useit.com] know what half these prefs mean?

Good job on the prefs, Moz-team, but please, hire Jakob Nielsen before 1.0 ships.

1st actual release on ideal release day! (2, Interesting)

pchk (257075) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740703)

I check the mozillazine.org and the mozilla site from time to time, and noticed today they've released another milestone just in time, for the first time!
If you take a look at the mozilla development roadmap [mozilla.org] , you'll believe me. Don't blame me for another exact release you see (0.9.5), 'cause .9.4 adn .9.5 were intended to be so, in order to be used for netscape 6.x products, and the schedule itself was changed. See freeze & branch date for 0.9.4 & 0.9.5, and you'll believe me again.
Anyway, the mozilla dev team have made a great work in a great manner, for many this could be a cool gift for the season. Thank you, and have a nice vacation everybody.

You Know What This Means? (2, Funny)

istartedi (132515) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740731)

Only two more releases before they... umm... add another digit of precision to the version number. :)

For all platforms! (1)

ericdano (113424) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740750)

I really like Mozilla on my Windows 2000 machine. It's almost as fast as IE 6 ( I think that is what is on the machine), and yet I somehow feel safer running something NON-microsoft.....

Mozilla on Mac OS X works great. Not as optimized as IE 5 is though. Soon hopefully......

Mozilla on OS 9.1 doesn't seem to work at all for me. About 2 weeks ago the nightly builds stopped working for my Mac....

I still think the thing that sells me on this browser is the intergration of email/browser. I can do without the composer part. In fact, I don't think I've ever run it in the Mozilla releases.

Now, to try getting Mozilla to work on my FreeBSD machine.......

Re:For all platforms! (1)

rebug (520669) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740792)

Mozilla on OS X still sucks nuts, mostly because it looks like a freakin windows app.

Here we've got this amazingly cool window server that moz can't make use of.

Wrap a cocoa ui around gecko and I'm sold. Omni group [omnigroup.com] , I'm looking in your direction...

Mozilla is faster than IE6 now (3, Redundant)

BrookHarty (9119) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740758)

*Note, im talking about windows.

Ive been using mozilla for awhile now, and Im very very impressed with how it just gets better. It renders quicker the IE6 which is impressive, and the Tab feature (people call an Opera ripoff) is great. You can install it into a directory with an older version of mozilla, it doesnt create a new secure directory. That salt directory it made was rather annoying.

Using it as a daily browser for both work and home, I do have a few problems with it. Some javascripts dont work with internal business sites. (LiveLink and Eroom which we use for documents and communications) No spell checker yet. (But im told its coming.)

And at home, I cant use my online banking with it, but everything else seems to work fine.

Newsgroups reader seems to be work in progress, the nightly builds seem to have a few bugs. But I am downloading the daily builds and it could be me.

BTW, I could swear the 0.9.7 directory was on ftp.mozilla.org for the last couple days.

-
I'm too shy to express my sexual needs except over the phone to people I don't know. - Garry Shandling

What do you want to see for 1.0? We need input (5, Informative)

netdemonboberb (314045) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740760)

Roadmap information:
http://www.mozilla.org/roadmap/mozilla-1.0.html
http://www.mozilla.org/roadmap.html

On the Mozilla roadmap, it shows Mozilla 1.0 following the same start, freeze, release timeline as the rest of the builds. I personally feel it should be started, frozen for twice as long as usual with drivers@mozilla.org being the only ones who can approve changes, then submitted to longer-than-normal testing period.

I would also like to see better documentation, and improved features. I think this release stands for Mozilla, and it should be something Mozilla.org should be proud of. We shouldn't rush into it. I would be perfectly happy if it wasn't released until the end of summer, 2002.

What do you want to see in Mozilla 1.0? Do you agree it should follow an extended schedule compared to most milestones? What features would you like to see improved or added?

You can also talk on newsgroups like netscape.public.mozilla.general

Let's make Mozilla 1.0 fantastic!

zxcv (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2740784)

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What I would like (1)

nzhavok (254960) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740787)

to see in Mozilla is the ability to have multiple windows open, some of which always load graphics, some of which never load graphics. Of course this should be accomplished via a toggle button like in Opera not options in the preferences and hitting the image button every time I follow a link. It would be good if there were similar buttons for Java/script/cookies as well.

Thanks Guys (3)

krmt (91422) | more than 12 years ago | (#2740790)

I just wanted to weigh in my thanks. I know it's reduntant and all, but I know the moz team reads the site (hi Asa!) and I just wanted to say thanks for the great browser. I use it in conjunction with Konqueror at home, and it's my browser of choice on my windows partition and at work. I've been amazed at how much it's progressed, and now my most waited for feature (javascript prefs panel) is in! Thanks you guys. I'm rooting for you!
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