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World Sousveillance Day

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the joining-our-program-already-in-progress dept.

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Sousveillance Cyborg writes: "Sousveillance is inverse surveillance, and a worldwide community of cyborgs is promoting sousveillance as a way toward more privacy and less secrecy. Today is World Sousveillance Day (WSD). See Transmitting live from around the world at noon (moving with time zone)."

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Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2748235)


Re:fp (-1)

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It's a bit late to announce this (1)

13013dobbs (113910) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748238)

It might have been helpful to have this put out before the day it happens.

Re:It's a bit late to announce this (0, Redundant)

sar (398) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748246)

my sentiments exactly. its 4:15 here and that story got posted at 4:08. Not only a little late, but a *lot* late. Next on /. "US Government tests first Atomic Bomb - Trinity tests begin"

Re:It's a bit late to announce this (3, Interesting)

digitalunity (19107) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748282)

What's your point? Did you even read the article? no? That's what I thought. Why don't you go read the article and come back later.

I did however read it and there are a few scary points brought out. What do I think? I think I want a "Federal Government Comment Card".

Here's a link [] to some interesting things about the governemt that most people don't know.

Re:It's a bit late to announce this (2, Insightful)

13013dobbs (113910) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748300)

The point was that if they want people to participate in this, they should give them some advance notice. I would have gone out and done this, but since I didn't find out about it until 5 hours after it had started, I can't.

Re:It's a bit late to announce this (3, Interesting)

bani (467531) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748395)

Willson's essays on depleted uranium and "alternative" medicine are barking mad, and put a huge question mark above all his other essays.

The essays may be "interesting", but that doesn't mean there is any more truth to them than the X-Files.

Re:It's a bit late to announce this (-1)

The Turd Report (527733) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748258)

Good one Timmah!

I'm Jealous! (-1)

egg troll (515396) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748346)

Michael didn't even mention me. I suppose this means I haven't been trolling hard enough. For the new year, I resolve to redouble my trolling efforts and bring Slashdot to its knees. I've already brought Jon Katz to his knees, and lets just say that wasn't quite what I had in mind. I had a dozen Japanese exchange students over, so we decided to make a bukake film with Jon while he was down there.

Re:I'm Jealous! (-1)

The Turd Report (527733) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748368)

Michael didn't even mention me. I suppose this means I haven't been trolling hard enough. For the new year, I resolve to redouble my trolling efforts and bring Slashdot to its knees.
I am pretty sure I am at the top of the 'Top Ten Abusers' list that Slash keeps. I also think he is jealous cause I get fan mail and he does not.

I've already brought Jon Katz to his knees, and lets just say that wasn't quite what I had in mind. I had a dozen Japanese exchange students over, so we decided to make a bukake film with Jon while he was down there.
How much did Jon pay you for that? He offered $100 to suck a greasy turd out of my ass, but he wouldn't pay travel expenses, so we had to call it off. Jon is a good sport. Next time you see him, ask him what the most perverse thing he will do for $20. You will be plesantly supprised.

Re:It's a bit late to announce this (1)

mgblst (80109) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748321)

You are right off course, but perhaps we can have other days next year, during big shopping events. Maybe mothers day, valentines day. I am really up for this....yeah!

Re:It's a bit late to announce this (1)

SealBeater (143912) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748382)

Even if its too late to participate, its a good thing to be aware of and
certainly its food for thought. Perhaps next year, or they could arrange for
this to happen on every holiday or event that carries a high survellience


Reply to *this* (-1)

egg troll (515396) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748344)

You, sir, are both a cockgnome and an asshobbit.

Re:Reply to *this* (-1)

The Turd Report (527733) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748377)

cockgnome...asshobbit...heh....that is funny.

um.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2748244)

wow this is the worst timing of a story ever.
only 4 hours and 12 minutes too late her. not even the west coasters can use this. why even post this?

Oh No!!! (0, Offtopic)

redcliffe (466773) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748245)

It's the Borg!!! We will all be assimiliated! Resistance is Futile......

no... (-1)

cockeater (542284) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748247)

it's world FUCK THE NSA DAY!!##@@


Slashdot Turd Report Day! (-1)

The Turd Report (527733) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748248)

January 1st will be Slashdot Turd Report Day! In an attempt to disrupt Jamie's and Michael's tracking of my reports, I am asking all trolls to post their own Turd Report. Please email me if you have questions!

God Bless!

Re:Slashdot Turd Report Day! (-1)

propstoalldeadhomiez (444303) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748360)

And on Christmas, we will be having another Troll Tuesday. Merry Christmas all you niggers.

Re:Slashdot Turd Report Day! (-1)

Retarded_One (518093) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748426)

Troll Tuesday to celebrate the birth of JEBUS!! Very appropriate.

Given Recent Events.. (3, Insightful)

dagoalieman (198402) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748250)

I certainly would not be doing this in an airport.

For that matter, shooting photographs of security stuff in general may be a bad idea. You could easily get arrested for such stuff, even if it is an invasion of privacy.

But, as always there's an alternate.. there's the middle finger. :)


Re:Given Recent Events.. (1)

RevRigel (90335) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748330)

Well, I don't know about where you live, but shooting the finger at someone here in Texas is a Class B misdemeanor (2yrs in jail, $500 fine). And they do enforce it if someone complains...or if some jackass security guard has it out for you.

Re:Given Recent Events.. (2, Insightful)

SealBeater (143912) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748388)

Isn't that kind of the point tho? If we should consent to being video taped
and monitored, surely the govt. or whomever is doing the monitoring should have
no problem with the people responding in kind. I remember when the greatest
thing about America was that we the people were the ones who held the power.


Re:Given Recent Events.. (-1)

Retarded_One (518093) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748436)


World Subjectrights Day FAQ (2)

msolnik (536110) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748253)

Check out the FAQ at [] . Its a pretty interesting read. Why dont we have a World Subjectrights Day everyday?!?! This is something that shouldnt be ignored and should have more attention givin to it. Too many people/companies dont take accountability for there actions and this has to stop!

Re:World Subjectrights Day FAQ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2748396)

What in the hell is a "there action"?

Maybe you mean "their actions"... uneducated moron.

hmmmm... (2)

psych031337 (449156) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748265)

Given the current craze about security it seems to me that taking pictures of surveillance cams and the personnel operating it is a sure-fire way to get questioned and maybe jailed for a night.

Might be just me though. Maybe it helps to wear a "I am not a terrorist" t-shirt. Maybe not.

Re:hmmmm... (2)

bani (467531) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748401)

On what charges? You can be detained, but not jailed, without being charged with a crime.

False arrest is a sure-fire way to a civil lawsuit and huge punitive damages.

Re:hmmmm... (2)

psych031337 (449156) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748411)

Well for instance if you were in a hotel lobby, a mall or a train station, personnel could order you to stop taking pics on their premises and order you off. Noncompliance will be a crime (or a misdemeanor at least, i am not too firm in US law)

Re:hmmmm... (1)

boydtel (540012) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748425)

IANAL but yes, that crime is a misdemeanor. Of course, once you have the picture why would you stay in a place where you're not wanted? These "you could be detained" worries seem like a lot of tiffle to me, we don't live in a gulag yet folks. It's important that we act like it. All IMO.

Re:hmmmm... (-1)

Retarded_One (518093) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748456)

you anal? lots of anal people here.
you anal? lots of anal people here.

What a stupid idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2748268)

Hmm. We don't like being watched by the People In Power, so instead of doing something hard but constructive, like trying to influence the law making process, we'll just run around with cameras acting like a bunch of annoying jerks.

I have to admit that I was glad to hear about this, however. It makes the endless flamewars in the OSS community look downright intelligent.

Re:What a stupid idea (1)

boydtel (540012) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748430)

Running "around with cameras acting like a bunch of annoying jerks" does not preclude "doing something hard but constructive". What is it, did everyone on /. today wake up and take their grumpy pill?? Boyd, who regularly "runs around with cameras..." (-Most- people I know keep disposable cameras in their vehicles... sprinkle them around.)

places for sousveillance cams (3)

homer_ca (144738) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748269)

-In your car, in case of an accident or traffic stop.
-Hidden in your cellphone, to record in all those forbidden places. What do casinos and department stores have to hide?

i'm sorry, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2748270)

...this is stupid. These people remind me of the hippies at my school that talk about how the "system" is bringing them down [and then are unable to elaborate when asked about said system, accusing questioner[s] of being [a] nazi[s]]. END COMMUNICATION

Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted!
Reason: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

Re:i'm sorry, but... (-1)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748295)

Shut up Nazi. We don't want your kind 'round here.

Bad Date (5, Insightful)

talonyx (125221) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748273)

I think Dec. 24 is one of the worst days they could have chosen to do this. Why?

Just about anybody that celebrates Christmas is busy on Christmas Eve. Mom's gotta clean the house, Dad's gotta find a Turboman actionfigure for Young Jimmy, Highly Paid IT Businessman is busy partying, Joe Homeless is busy begging.

The only people that are going to have no problem doing this on Dec. 24 are people that don't celebrate Christmas at all. Typically these would include various racial groups which the US has declared war on right now....

So, would it be a great idea to have lots of people that (dumb) Yankees would consider to look like terrorists running around, taking pictures of things and getting security all riled up?

I think this WSD should be on a more relaxed time of year. Maybe some time in April or something.

Re:Bad Date (0, Flamebait)

digitalunity (19107) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748308)

This is obvious flamebait. You also are an uncultered american. There are many people who don't celebrate christmas for reasons other than their race. Jews and Jehovah's Witnesses for example both do not celebrate Christmas.

The US has been very diplomatic in conveying the idea that we are not anti-Muslim. We are anti-terrorist(which includes their passive supporters). Which also begs the question: Why aren't we doing anything about the Saudi's? But, alas, I'm off topic now.

My point is, don't be racist. It's rude and inconsiderate. A Muslim can no more change his/her heritage than you can your 'whiteness'. Of course, I only make the assumption that you are white because someone of another race would likely be a little more sensitive to the issue.

Be Kind.

Re:Bad Date (2)

talonyx (125221) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748416)

First of all, I'm from Romania. I am not a Yankee. Please keep your manifest destiny to yourself.

Second of all, it's not intended at racism. Go read my comment. I don't say these people are terrorists, or that they do anything wrong.

I am saying that the circumstances would arise in which it would be people who don't celebrate Christmas, who are therefore less busy Dec. 24, that would have the time to participate in WSD.

I don't mean racism and I am sorry that you viewed it that way. It's kind of sad that a person can't even MENTION other racial groups without people thinking she's racist.

Re:Bad Date (-1)

Retarded_One (518093) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748463)



Take your nigger-loving attitude BACK TO TANZANIA, you muslim gerbileer.

Re:Bad Date (2, Insightful)

Linegod (9952) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748417)

"..Typically these would include various racial groups which the US has declared war on right now.... "

Like us Atheists. Or those who celebrate Chanukah. Or those who celebrate Ukrainian Christmas. Or....

"I think this WSD should be on a more relaxed time of year. Maybe some time in April or something."

From the site:
"Q. Why was Christmas Eve chosen ? The shops will be rather busy.

A. that's exactly why. 12:00 noon dec.24th will be the busiest day, and the best expression of corporate culture, and the best time to shoot. It's a human element.. crowds of people herded like cattle, overseen by the surveillance. Also the lineups will be long, so it was felt that folks could entertain themselves while waiting in line by shooting. When you get bored waiting in line, liven it up with some camerafire. Shoot when you're bored. Shoot when you're frustrated. Shoot when you're being shot!!! "

Give you a nickle if you read the article in question before posting.

you stupid shithead (-1)

GaylordFucker (465080) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748429)

you fucking romanian fag fuck... i'm russian and you're comment is a fucking troll... you obnoxious fuck... look at Romania and then look at the USA... you stupid shitheaded commie.. you probably wish that chaushesku was still running the country you fucking lazy communist ignorant asshole... go fuck yourself... honestly... please...

Re:you stupid shithead (1)

talonyx (125221) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748464)

I live in Canada, but I'm Romanian. I'm also an atheist, and a libertarian.

I don't know what your response is supposed to mean. I don't hate Russians, I don't follow the politics of my homeland anymore (why should I?)

the right thing to do (2, Interesting)

volkris (694) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748275)

This is actually a puckish wrapper around how things should be run daily anyway. There is nothing wrong with cameras mounted on streets and stores filming whomever might be around, but at the same time there is nothing wrong with cameras being held by people filming whatever they may see. The fact is that cameras create accountability (and generate raw information) no matter where and how they're used. Whether that accountability is acted upon and acted upon in a correct manner is a seperate subject that doesn't really involve the cameras themselves.

As Brinn said, there is no stopping the spread of cameras now, but why would anyone want to stop them anyway? People need to simply accept the cameras and use them instead of fighting them every step of the way, missing out on the great things that cameras can provide average citizens.

I don't understand... (4, Insightful)

mikey504 (464225) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748317)

Maybe I have a limited imagination, but I have trouble seeing how exactly the average citizen can "use" these cameras. It is likely that if we did find a way to use cameras which don't belong to us that we would be prosecuted for it.

What I can imagine, though, is a scenario where once the system is in place, the scope of its use is gradually increased until it is being used not only in ways that are unacceptable, but also in ways we were specifically told it wouldn't be in the beginning.

An example of this would be the "anti-terrorist" cameras installed all over London. These are now being used to detect and prosecute all sorts of lesser crimes. Of course, many people don't have a problem with that, but you have to be extremely careful where the lower bound gets set. Is that a nudie magazine in your pocket, visible in frames 237-512 when you crossed Market Street?

Maybe you can't imagine any activites/liberties you presently indulge in which the government might eventually decide are nonsat, but my paranoia meter jumps a couple of clicks every time this stuff makes the news.

Re:I don't understand... (2, Insightful)

Peaker (72084) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748408)

Are you afraid of being seen with pornography?
Last I checked, it wasn't a crime.
If you're so paranoid about it being found out, put it in a bag first, but don't blame the cameras, as any Joe Schmoe can see you too.

You cannot expect privacy in the street:

If a camera can see you, so can a human eye.

The only reason to fear being filmed by cameras is if you're planning on lying in your side of the story, hoping to have a word-against-word case, rather than a word-against-video. And then - what are you lying to protect?

Re:I don't understand... (1)

boydtel (540012) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748443)

PERSPECTIVE do any of the posters here have perspective? I -often- see people posting this "but you don't have anything to fear..." tripe. Now, I appreciate that this is a geek forum (so presumably skewed away from liberal arts/history backgrounds) but didn't any of you people have history in high school? Who popularized this "You have nothing to fear..." Big Lie?
The point of resistance to these things isn't to save kiddie porn salesmen an inconvenience, it's to point out the obvious abusability of these systems. Yes, you like your government today. And here in the US people often whine about term limits but when it comes down to it they like their gov'mnt enough to keep voting the same people in.
But you do not -know- the future. You do not -know- that your home will never be swept with a tyrranical fervor in the future (USSR, Germany, Laos, Vietnam, China on and on). So it is not "paranoid" to build governmental systems that would work poorly for tyrants. That is why (hypothetically) the US is built on three counter balancing branches of government, that's why the constitution here checks the powers of those balancing branches, that's why it is stupid to talk about powerful governmental systems (like the "anti terrorist" cameras in London) in these good soldier Schwiek terms. Was Jefferson "paranoid"? Did he have "something to hide"? No, he knew good government from bad government and he knew that inefficiencies (as some foolishly label our checks and balances) in the longest running experiment would ultimately make it strong. All IMO.

Re:I don't understand... (-1)

Retarded_One (518093) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748481)

Jefferson was too busy humping his NUBIAN BITCHES to worry about making the constitution less-retarded.

Re:I don't understand... (1)

Mr. Slippery (47854) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748473)

If a camera can see you, so can a human eye.

Not necessarily, and that's the problem. You can be far away from any people, yet still viewable by a hidden camera, or telephoto lens.

Diapering method for boys (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2748281)

Diapering Method for Teenage Boys

Suitable for ages 12-20


Boys of this age are capable of cleaning themselves. Remove all of the boy's clothing and instruct him to take a shower. Use phrases like, "If I don't smell soap on every inch of your body..." to insure that he cleans himself well. Occasionally remind him that it is important to lather, wash and rinse carefully areas around his 'bum' and 'privates'. Quick showering after messy changes is recommended for added cleanness. It is also recommended that you re-diaper after a messy change near the area where the boy showers. At this age, however, privacy while showering is acceptable. Once he has finished check his diaper area to make sure it is completely clean. It may be necessary to check behind the testicles after a messy change. If he is not clean, send the boy back and chastise him for not being careful enough. Once the boy is well showered, towel him off again yourself, and then have him lay down on the mat. Use a couple of wipes and give his entire diaper area a good once-over. While the boy should be clean, this will give his skin a nice scent and clean even more thoroughly.

Treating the Diaper Area and Diapering:

While there are many creams and lotions to use on a baby's skin, the most simple will usually suffice until further treatment is needed. Have the boy lying on his back on a changing mat. First apply baby oil to your cupped palm and then rub the oil into the boy's skin. Be sure to apply oil/lotion all the way from his belly button to about six inches from his pelvis down his thighs. Also apply generous amounts of lotion between his legs, behind his testes, and finally rub oil onto the genitals. Boys of this age will most likely become quite excited, so be prepared. Have the boy try to bring each knee to its respective shoulder. This will keep his legs slightly parted so that you will be able to rub lotion into his bottom and the back of his thighs and the area between his legs. Rub generous amounts of oil onto his bottom and a little oil in between his butt cheeks. Now, sprinkle baby powder onto his bottom and rub it in. While the boy still has his bottom raised, bring a diaper and unfold the end with the tapes. Have the boy lower his rear onto the diaper and keep his legs separated. Leave the bottom portion loose between his legs and finish applying powder to his front. Follow the same procedure as for oil to apply powder. For a nice fresh scent sprinkle powder down the thighs and on the chest and stomach. After rubbing all the powder in, pull the front up unfolding the diaper completely now. (note: be sure not to get any oil on the diapers surface or on the tapes, this will cause the adhesive to fail). Pull the diaper up between the boy's legs and bring to about his belly button. If your boy has become erect, the front of the diaper will push the erection against the stomach. The diaper should come at least up to the belly-button in front and to the equivalent height in back. This will prevent leaks during urination, and will provide more room for a large bowel movement. Finally, hold the front of the diaper in place against the boy's stomach and use your other hand to pull one of the back wings to the boys side. If the diaper is pulled high enough, the front wings will be able to be smoothed above the boys legs and only against his sides. The tapes are designed to be fastened about the side of the stomach and pelvis, and if the diaper rides to low, it will not be as effective. Begin fastening the tapes from the lowest on each side and up. Be sure that the diaper is not too tight, because if the diaper is too secure there will not be enough room for the boy to have a comfortable bowel movement, and likely the diaper will leak during urination. If the diaper is high enough, and secure, but not too snug it will reach a medium with maximum capacity and comfort.


Be sure while diapering that you are checking for infections, rashes, and cleanliness.

the above procedure was created for use with Depends Overnight Fitted Briefs. Using those briefs, it is also easy to see that the diaper is centered by using the wetness indicator as a center.

When diapering an erect boy, you may secure the diaper a little tighter than normal because as the erection subsides the diaper will become less secure.

A reassuring pat on the behind is always nice after a change, and will allow you to make sure you left enough room in the seat of the diaper.

Checking the Boy's Diaper:

Although you should instruct your boy to inform you when he has messed or wet his diaper, it is also important that you check yourself. Frequently, boys will not want to detach themselves from their current activity, and eventually this could lead to leaks, rashes, or a really smelly room.

Checking for Messy Boys:

Checking to see if a boy has messed his diaper is often not voluntary. Depending on the boy and his age, a well-messed diaper will become quite smelly within five minutes. Checking for a messy diaper is not as needed because often an older boy will come to you out of discomfort. Nonetheless, if you wish to double check, you may stick a finger in between your boy's back and his diaper at the top and pull the diaper back slightly. The elastics on most disposables will allow you to pull the diaper back a good 4-6". However, you probably won't want to pull that far. It is always reassuring to the boy if you put one hand on his head or shoulder while checking. If your boy is younger or shorter, you can even hug him and check over his shoulder. If the boy is messy, a change is needed for his health and your comfort.

Checking for Wet Boys:

Boys will not want to bother telling you every time they wet their diaper, so it is more important for you to check to see if they are wet. At this age, it is also not necessary to change your boy's diaper if he is only slightly wet. If your boy wears diapers constantly, it is also common for him to wet slowly and frequently. The first check to do for a wet diaper is a visual. Look to make sure the diaper hasn't leaked, and then look at the front of the diaper. Many diapers for boys this age have a wetness indicator. While these are nice to show whether the boy has wet, they do not show completely whether the boy needs to be changed for not. If the diaper has leaked, a change is necessary. If the diaper is wet only slightly, you can do a finger check to decide whether to change him or not. If you reach two fingers between the diaper and your boy's skin you will be able to feel whether his skin is wet or not. I suggested checking the diaper in the back right against where his bottom and upper thigh meet. If there is significant wetness then you should change the diaper. If there is only slight moisture you can decide to change the diaper later. Most likely, the skin will feel moist and the diaper will probably be slightly moist as well. At the front of the diaper, it will almost always be fairly moist and this is the reason for checking close to the middle of the diaper. You can also feel the weight of the diaper and see whether it has begun to sag. If the diaper is sagging or feels heavy, chances are it is quite wet and is becoming uncomfortable. It is better to change a diaper sooner than to risk ruining furniture or carpet because of a leak. For the same reason, always change a messy diaper, because a wet and messy leak can be very damaging and unpleasant.

Dealing with Messes: "Big Change":

If your boy tells you he needs a 'big change' or you tell him that it is time for a 'big change' you will need to spend a little more time and effort. A messy diaper should come at least once a day, and is normal to occur up to four or five times a day. If your boy hasn't messed his diaper for more than a couple days something is wrong.

To change a messy diaper first make sure that he is not leaking. If the diaper is leaking, use paper towels to help contain the leak. Take the boy to the changing area and have him lay down on his back. Un-tape the diaper and have the boy bring his knees to his shoulders like normal. As boys of this age are capable of large messes, it is advisable to try and shake some of the mess into a toilet instead of leaving it in the diaper. This becomes difficult and may be skipped if the mess has been spread about the diaper, or if it is too soft. Use a less messy part of the diaper to remove large excess pieces off of his bottom. After rolling the diaper up and placing it in a sealed bag, have your boy stand up. While being careful not to get anything dirty have him walk straight into the shower and clean off. With smaller children cleaning with wipes may be sufficient, but with teenage boys it is impractical, unpleasant, and less clean to simply wipe off the mess. Also, the boy should assume some responsibility for his own cleanness and at this age private showering is recommended. After this point, follow the method above to securely diaper him.


If the boy has been in a messy diaper for a while, apply some rash medication such as desitin to the area. If redness begins to develop, treat similarly. If a rash develops and the conditions worsen, take the boy to a doctor for treatment.

Dealing with Wet Diapers: "Small Change":

When you change your boy's wet diapers, a shower would be impractical and merely wiping your boy's diaper area should be sufficient. Also, placing the diaper in a plastic bag is optional. Again, watch for redness and irritation and treat with ointment. If the rash develops contact your doctor.

Disposing of Diapers:

A diaper pail is recommended of temporary storage of soiled diapers. After a change, place the soiled diaper in the pail. At the end of the day, or even every other day, empty the pail into your other trash and store in your can outside. The pail may be sprayed with a disinfected and deodorizer to keep fresh until the end of the month when the pail should be cleaned. The pail should be cleaned with a disinfectant cleaning solution such as Pine-Sol. Remove any waste from the pail and clean thoroughly. A teenage boy is perfectly capable of taking responsibility for his diaper pail. It is recommended that the boy at least help.

Additional Suggestions:

A teenage boy should start developing pubic hair, and could very possibly be so hairy that cleanup becomes substantially more difficult. It is not necessary that the boy be shaven smooth constantly, but it is recommended for very hairy boys that their hair is kept in check. Obvious hygiene problems can develop from excessive hair on the bottom and genitals. An electric razor with a clipper attachment works well for keeping hair under control. It is not recommended that your boy be waxed, and it is not necessary for your boy to be shaved completely. This is a choice for you and the boy, however, significant hair makes keeping clean very difficult.

Diapering Circumstances:

Need: This method should work well for a teenage boy who needs to use diapers due to a health reason. It is suggested that more responsibility is placed on the boy in this situation for dignities sake.

Parent/Child Punishment: This method will work for a parent who is trying to punish a child through the use of diapers. However, hygiene and health must be stressed in such a situation.

Sexual Play with Consenting Partners: This method should work for fetish play in which a teenage boy is being diapered. Again, emphasize cleanliness. Also, the use of safety words and consent is very important.

Hmm...two replies to this (-1)

egg troll (515396) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748359)

Once again I have a pair of replies to this. You may take your pick.

1) I love to be diapered. Are you in SF, Mr. AC? Bring a box of Pampers over and lets play


2) Jon Katz, posting anonymously again I see.

New definition of the elite (2, Insightful)

pyramid termite (458232) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748298)

Those who are able to arrange things so they are rarely watched.

Re:New definition of the elite (2)

benedict (9959) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748407)

Very good call!

There's a book dedicated in part to this point.
It's by Michel Foucault and it's called _Discipline
and Punish_. (The title is confusing at first; the
trick is that "discipline" is used as a verb.) I
enjoyed it a lot, though the language can be a little
dense. I recommend it in general.

Quis custodiet ipso custodes? (0)

mcdougaldd (107476) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748303)

.the right to swing your fist ends at the tip of the other chap's nose.

I do not like to be filed in my everyday activities wether Im doing somethin I shouldnt be doing or not. But I must agree with the above posts, taking photos of law enforcement, survalence equipment, or the activities of either is inviting harassment upon yourself. I believe the quote Quis custodiet ipso custodes? (pulled fom the cover of the DC comics series the watchmen) means who watches the watchmen.
When we stop questioning the activities of our government agencies, we give up the right to complain about their activities ;)

WOW! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2748309)

This article was rejected by the slashdot morons who run this crappy site so ill post it here!

Intel develops 5 ghz processor!
from the compile-a-kernel-in a minute department

Intel have recently developed a new processor called the HEXIUM! It runs at 5 GHZ at LOW tempretures, tests show that compiling linux kernel 2.4.18 takes only 57.4 seconds! So what are you waiting for! See the details []

Carnivore is for people like this. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2748341)

Imagine a Beowulf cluster of FBI Carnivore
machines sorting through all network traffic
to find and prosecute fuckwits like
this guy who try to lure decent folks to
look at his gaping hole. I hope he
gets the chair.

Re:WOW! (-1)

Retarded_One (518093) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748484)

While you may catch newbies off of a intel redirect, it still shows the destination url in the bottom portion of the browser. One can pad yahoo! redirects with %20 and similiar garbage. Can you also do this with intel/ms/other redirects?

But keep up the good work!

a visit (1)

MoceanWorker (232487) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748310)

this would have been perfect 5 months ago when i got a visit from 2 "detectives"

but i wonder what would happen if i took a picture of them or started videotaping them... my guess is they'd beat the shit out of me ;-)

About your sig (-1)

egg troll (515396) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748363)

Did you know that there are very few bigger whiners and prima donnas in music that Henry Rollins? Yep, its true. That man shits all over his fans then moans that no one likes him. That cockgnome is so flamingly gay I can feel the heat from here. The only thing lamer than Henry Rollins are his fans. Whenever I see one of them, I have to resist the urge to smash a lamp into their face. Ugh.

Re:a visit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2748457)

Wich (at least in the US) would add another point to your ACLU countersuit. It sucks to have a broken nose... but a few mill can buy a lot of plastic surgery : )

What exactly is 'transmiting live'? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2748311)

I don't see a live feed anywhere on the page, funny also how the guy who made up this day has given it three different names (National Accountability Day, Shootback day and WSD)...
And each has separate faqs...

The "previous contest entries" (3 or 4 of them all looking as if taken by the same guy) aren't
credited witht the names of the entrants...

This smells kinda like a joke.

Re:What exactly is 'transmiting live'? (-1)

core10k (196263) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748325)

The guy who runs that site is a minor celebrity. He wears a computer and video camera 24/7. It's no joke, trust me.

Re:What exactly is 'transmiting live'? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2748379)

Steve Mann doesn't wear a camera + computer 24/7...I worked with him for a year.

Being connected means losing privacy (1, Interesting)

KILNA (536949) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748313)

I'm about to be one of those snooty people who points out the hypocracy of the Slashdot crowd, so I'll try to be brief. Do you want to be a part of a community or do you want to have privacy? It's a matter of degrees, but at the most basic level those two concepts are mutually exclusive. The deal is, if you interact with human beings, you lose privacy. The risk of being surveiled comes with the risk of going someplace. You can't be completely anonymous and live a normal life. Try getting a phone or car or decent internet access without a name. Part of being a memeber of the human race is to have an identity that other people, businesses and even your government can associate with you... and part of that identity is a face (which just might be photographed at any time if you happen to be out in the real world). Don't want your face on the Jumbotron? Watch the game on TV in your Y2K bomb shelter in Montana if you're all that concerned. :)

Re:Being connected means losing privacy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2748479)

True, but part of privacy is the the right to decide when and how much information to release to others. Indeed to be part of a community is to reveal something of yourself, and when we form personal relationships, we choose how much information and what to reveal to others.

Surveillance removes such choice, and as you point out, any sort of technological interaction increasingly is removing our choice of what information to reveal to whom. Though it is this way, I don't think it has be be so.

Warning: Clicking on story leads to typicality (2, Insightful)

EchoMirage (29419) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748332)

So, here we another installment of the Citizens Against the [supposed] Big Brother, a "watchdog" group of paranoiaphiles dedicated to overthrowing whoever-it-is we're at odds with. The group promotes reverse surveillance (sousveillance!) and encourages people to generally reverse monitor various monolithic entities though such *coughing* ingenious methods as using the 1-800 how's-my-driving numbers, etc. While I'm sure that there are legitament reasons for "sousveillance," this is little more than another group of schizoid people who are convinced that every time you use an ATM, you're selling out to the Antichrist, and that yes, in fact, your neighbor's satellite dish actually is just a device that the FBI is using to watch your every move in your house.

Give me a break, this type of paranoia is so vogue it's disgusting. There are real threats to civil liberties, but "sousveillance" isn't going to counteract them. Though the group claims they're turning the wheels of democracy, they would be more appropriately observed to be a factional group.

Even if they're right, nobody in the paranoid realm has ever given me a good answer to the question, "Why should the government even care what you're doing?" If you pay your taxes, walk the dog, and tune into Must-See-TV on Thursdays, you're in line with the rest of society, and the government could really care less what you're doing. Even if you *gasp* use Linux or program computers, the government really isn't interested at all in what brand of toothpaste you buy from the grocery store.

In related thoughts, there needs to be a Godwin's Law for 1984 references, such that a reference to "Big Brother" or other Orwellian terminology immediately invalidates what you're saying.

Re:Warning: Clicking on story leads to typicality (2)

An Ominous Coward (13324) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748384)

Godwin's Law states that any sufficiently long USENET thread will result in a comparison to Nazism. It says nothing about invalidating a message, nor should it. Call a spade a spade, and call a Nazi a Nazi.

Re:Warning: Clicking on story leads to typicality (2)

benedict (9959) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748422)

The answer is clear if you have a grasp of recent
American history.

The value to the authorities of widespread surveillance
is not that they can or want to arrest everyone who
smokes a joint. The value is that if someone becomes
a pain in their collective ass, and it turns out that they
smoked a joint, they can be neutralized.

This isn't blithering paranoia. Just read any
historical account of the New Left of the 1960s
and 70s.

welcome to communism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2748434)

Its interesting that the same people who used to whine and bitch how the Soviet Union used to keep tabs on its people think that they do not need those privacy rights here.

Why do the 1984 references bother you so much?

Id be more worried that a third of the country things that torture should be allowed in some cases. Or that most of the people think that assasinations against 'bad guys' is justified...
THAT is much graver problem.
If one govt allows assassinations, then why shouldnt a foreign country do the same?
If the US is justified in killing Saddam, Khadaffi, blowing up a TV station or whoever, then Im pretty sure that one of the millions of poeple who have had relatives killed by US bombings these past 3 decades figures that they to should be able to kill the US leader (not that it would make any difference). We might try to justify murder but so can everyone else...and no one does murder like the US.

If I was you, id go back and take a gander at 1984 again and see how ahead of its time and dead on Orwell was. Not even in his wildest dreams would he had believed the state of the sad and pathetic propaganda machine called the free media.

750,000 people got arrested for pot in the US last year (88% for possesion) but less than a handful of papers even mentioned it.

Almost 40% of young black males between 18-35 are either in jail, parole or in the system ....welcome to the new kinder South Africa.
(the US attorney general claims there is no racial profiling in the states)

The US has the worlds largest prison population in the world. 1 out of 32 americans is in jail or on probation.

The differences between the old USSR and the present day US are minimal....
Of course, just keep whistling as you walk by the graveyard, at least it'll make you feel better.
Or better yet, stay tuned to CNN for the 'truth.'


Re:Warning: Clicking on story leads to typicality (2)

Hostile17 (415334) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748483)

"Why should the government even care what you're doing?" If you pay your taxes, walk the dog, and tune into Must-See-TV on Thursdays, you're in line with the rest of society, and the government could really care less what you're doing.

You are right, if you are being a good little consumer and behaving as the government wants you too, they will not care about you. They will let you watch TV, walk the dog, pay taxes and die and that life may suit you just fine. However, I would prefer my children and grandchildren to be brought up in a free and just society, not one were practicing ones constitutional right to free speech and disagreeing with the government will get you marked UnAmerican and a Terrorist Sympathizer.

Snow crash (1)

quatto von jebus (546005) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748334)

Does this remind anyone else of the guys in SnowCrash that wore all the surveillance gear. They walked around and gathered data from basically anywhere and tried to sell it. What were they called? Its been such a long time since I read the book Also I think Ive heard CmndrTaco mention them occasionally, but not in the same vein as this "Sousveillance" idea/scheme.

It does sound interesting, but are not cops legally entitled to use violence against you and you cannot exercise any violence against them? So I would imagine that if you were to go and start taking pictures and such wouldnt the cops simply hit you on your head and take you to jail for being a nuisance?

Re:Snow crash (1)

SealBeater (143912) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748415)

Gargoyles were what they were called. Even with cameras, cops have been known
to either turn them off or cover them up right before they started whupping
somebody's ass.


Re:Snow crash (1)

boydtel (540012) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748466)

Dunno where you live but in the United States cops are emphatically NOT allowed to just start whupping somebody's ass. In Beautiful Seattle Washington, a cop came across two young ladies who were filming from inside their car as they drove down a closed street (during WTO riots). I have no patience for the rioters but in this case, where the cop improperly hosed down the inside of their car when he saw the camcorder) he was disciplined (I think he's sans a career at this point but can't find the data right now) and the two ladies are now fairly wealthy thanks to the tax paying sheeple er, folks of Seattle (hey, you elect a mayor like Schell you get what you voted for).
Footage of a cop running up to you right before your camcorder dies makes for pretty compelling evidence in after action civil suits. All IMO

what are we trying to hide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2748338)

good people doesnt have to hide anything, except weed, pr0n , warez, mp3s and pictures with a lover ;)

Re:what are we trying to hide? (-1)

The Turd Report (527733) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748353)

pictures with a lover

None of the Slashbots will have a problem there. ;)

Freedom of Authority? (1)

Renraku (518261) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748345)

Why are you people scared to watch the people that watch us? Shouldn't THEY be watched more than us to begin with, since they are given such power? If we're getting arrested for making sure everything goes fairly, then I no longer have faith in whichever governing body is responsible for that kind of thing.

ShutTheF*Up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2748349)

"...In fact some have even gone so far as to say that they've felt more frightened of the soldiers of their own armed forces than of the so-called ``terrorists''."

This is a disgusting statement. You are implying that murderous, civilian shredding fanatics are not terrorists, and that soldiers from the industrialized west are. Go tell that to the bumper crop of single parent families in NYC this holiday season, you gutless wonder.

Suggestion: Please go to [insert shithole country here] so you can test this theory with some empirical data.

Lab1: Go up to some Sudanese Islamic slave traders, and start taking pictures with your webcam... Maybe you can offer to put their slaves up on ebay? Oh, and be sure to tell them you are either Christian or Jewish.
Record what happens next.

"It has often been said that the true causes of terrorism are oppression, bad foreign policy, and secrecy, rather than privacy."

Said by who exactly? Whiny EU socialists? Apologists for radical practitioners of wahabibist Islam? Pig ignorant ditch diggers in Yemen? Assinine conspiracy theorists who can't bear the idea a culture which has been irrelevant since the 12th century produces an overabundance of illiterate, lice-infested psychopaths? Get a life shithead.

It takes a troll... (0)

Strollin Troll (545646) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748404) spot another troll! No food for you!

Re:It takes a troll... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2748459)

It is not trolling to attack the author's moral idiocy. I am not trying to shock people into replying.

I am simply trying to expose that the authors of this initiative sound like apologists for theocratic facism.

Re:ShutTheF*Up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2748419)

You sack of shit.

Would cameras all over the place have prevented 9/11? No. Butr i'll tell you what would have - people doing their jobs properly - government imposing even half decent security, instead of giving in to industry lobbying/bribing to help the airlines keep their costs down. The actual airlines doing their jobs by abiding by decent security rules and regulations. And the actual workers (who are probably all on a minimum wage pittance of a salary) actually bothering to check the people getting on planes, rather than sitting on their fat ugly arses, eating donuts and watching jerry springer.

Read my post again, dillweed. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2748454)

I am commenting on the outrageous moral relativist claims of these idiots who made up this stupid exercise, not the policy of cameras in public forums, which I oppose in general, but not in airports and other places of entry without any expectation of privacy. Private, encrypted communications are a readily defensible boundary of privacy. You cannot say the same of the public street.

Oh and BTW, I would be willing to bet that I was fighting for free encryption (2 of 3 federal cases) before you even had an internet connection, (Allow me to infer you're commonwealth background by your use of the term "arse") you useless, holier-than-thou EU jackwad. If you're british, I hope you're enjoying the RIP act and cameras on every corner. If you're australian, I hope you're enjoying escrowed encryption and idiotic security laws. If you're canadian, I hope you're enjoying your fascist little hate speech laws.

Re:Read my post again, dillweed. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2748460)

You're obviously American, so I hope you're enjoying your donuts, and good luck for when you go on Jerry Springer to find out that your real dad is actually your mothers father. Oh, and make sure you lock up your trailer-home when you go out.

Re:Read my post again, dillweed. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2748476)

I'll just let you get on and enjoy the DMCA, RIAA, MPAA, Carnivore, Echelon... and obvioiusly the most intelligent yank ever born, your president, George 'dubya' Bush.

disturbed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2748356)

Am I the only on who's bothered by the fact that most of the replies state that if you take pictures of a camera then somebody will beat the shit out of you, or arrest you? Note the camera is taking a picture of you why shouldn't you be able to take a picture of it? Dosen't it bother anyone that we, myself included , accept this as an almost fact?

document police brutality, sexual harassment (3, Insightful)

wagadog (545179) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748362)

If you're gathering evidence that relies on tone of voice to document wrongdoing there's nothing like a tape recorder. And if you're gathering evidence that relies on gesture and facial expression to document wrongdoing there's nothing like a pinhole camera.

In fact, digital video cameras is how the human rights abuses of the Taliban were first documented by RAWA [] .

But pick your battles, carefully, kids. This isn't a contest to see who can be the most annoying to security people who are doing their jobs honorably.

Taliban (-1)

GaylordFucker (465080) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748423)

they are a bunch of shit stained towelheaded sand niggers who all deserve to die a slow and painful death... this goes for al Qaeda members... any radical groups who oppress and/or kill innocent people... the fucknut who was caught 3 days ago on the plane from Paris to Miami... and any terrorist in general

As a followup... (3, Insightful)

Tsar (536185) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748390)

I think [] should send someone down the street knocking on people's doors, asking why their peepholes only work one way.

Come on, guys. It's simple economics. If a store wants to reduce losses due to theft, they install cameras. Or they install domes that look like cameras. If you're going to be insulted about that, why aren't you insulted that you can't leave without going through the registers, or that they lock the door after hours, or that the "Employees Only" areas are only for employees? Why not require retailers to move their entire stock outside under a large awning, and turn their backs to us to show how much they trust their customers?

Come on, dude, you're living in a paranoiac techno-Robin-Hood fantasy that would have been only moderately tolerated even before 9/11. Now, your implication that the security guys in Wal-Mart are worse than the terrorists who blew up WTC, makes your opinion worth less than sludge.

You've missed the point... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2748403)

The point is who is watching the watchers - if they are putting cameras behind mirrors in Sears and WalMart - what is to stop them mpeg-ing some chick trying on some swim suit and sharing it on the 'net. What if that is your girlfriend or daughter in the changing room? Where's the accountability?

Re: Missed the point? I don't think I did. (3, Interesting)

Tsar (536185) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748433)

You post the question "Where's the accountability?" — anonymously?

Did you see the Sousveillance video [] ? He's not doing exposés of concealed cameras in dressing rooms; he's strolling through department stores, asking employees idiotic questions about the "mysterious dark domes" in the ceiling as if they were part some massive coverup, and none of the poor idiots (non-University of Toronto CE students [] ) around him were totally unaware that they were being watched in a department store. It inspires no social change (except perhaps more stores banning video cameras), and has no effect outside of feeding his overinflated ego. This is nothing more than stupid camera tricks posing as citizen activism.

While we're on the subject, let's throw it out to the group—how would you like this guy to walk into your employer's business and start following you around with a camcorder? "Why do I have to have a password to use one of these computers? What are those weird white boxes with red lights in the corners of the ceiling? Why is the server room locked? Why did you call the police?" Seems pretty juvenile when you think about it.

Re: Missed the point? I don't think I did. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2748449)

Again, you have missed the point.

1) I posted anonymously because I don't have a login ID for slashdot, and I can't be bothered to get one.

2) There are places where it is necessary for cameras - look at some of the terrorists in london who were caught thanks to the cameras watching the streets (bombing of the admiral duncan pub which killed and seriously injured lots of people). Yes, department stores need cameras to protect their stock - but they need to do it in an accountable way. If I walk into a department store and get caught on their camera going about my normal business, with nothing to hide, that doesnt mean I consent to that footage being misused - and by misused I mean being placed somehow into the public domain. The individual has the right to have his privacy maintained. Going back to the changing room example, it does happen, but it shouldn't. What recourse does the victim have?

Re:As a followup... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2748409)

Um, dude, peepholes ARE two way [] .

Re: 2-way peepholes vs. 2-way mirrors (3, Insightful)

Tsar (536185) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748448)

Yes, you can get a limited view (10 or so) of a room through the distal end of a peephole, but it is essentially a one-way device.

In a similar manner, you can see through a one-way mirror by reducing ambient light as much as possible and placing a high-powered light flush against the surface of the mirror. See, if the guy at had constructed such a setup, with a rubber-gasketed camera and flash which he used to take pictures of the folk watching us in department-store dressing rooms, and filled a website with those photos (preferably alongside statements, denials, and changes of policy from the stores in question), then he'd be performing what would arguably be a public service.

As it is, he's filming camera domes as if they were UFO's and salespeople as if they were MIB's. For all his bravado, he isn't coming close to anything like a controversy.

Is this how I'm supposed to burn karma?

Re:As a followup... (1)

Mister_IQ (517505) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748424)

I think you've missed the point. The protest isn't against Cameras per se but against their ubiquity in our lives and our growing insensitivity to the monitoring of our movements and actions.

It's not about harassing Wal-Mart guards, it's about making the general population think about questions like:

1) Why exactly don't they want me videotaping them, but they can videotape me?

2) In what other ways am I being watched/monitored/tracked? Should I care? (GPS enabled cell phones, anyone? M$Passport anyone?)

3) How much is enough rights to give up for the sake of security?

Does one dare to hope? (2)

Robber Baron (112304) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748398)

...I'm not suggesting that the cameras be mounted on the floor, looking up...


Re:Does one dare to hope? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2748475)

Are you new to Linux?

wTf (-1)

troller (157135) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748402)


A better way to hurt CCTV operators (UK only) (2)

joebp (528430) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748421)

This is a good idea, but there's another way to hurt CCTV operators in the UK which doesn't require a camcorder.

It may well, however, require a small fee. This is defined in the DPA as a maximum of £10.

Go to a shop (only do this in big chains, no-one wants to hurt independents). Go when it's busy. Very busy. Make sure they have plenty of CCTV cameras. Make sure you get in as many of them as possible. This increases your impact.

Then, go to an employee. Under the DPR's `Code of Practice,' `All staff should be aware of individuals' rights.' If not, ask to see the `Data Protection Controller' or, the Manager.

You may well need to fill out a Data Protection Subject Access form, or write a letter with proof of identity to the Shop's Data Controller.

You are entitled:

to be told if any personal data are held about you AND, if so:
to be given a description of the data;
to be told for what purposes the data are processed and
To be told the recipients or the classes of recipients to whom the data may have been disclosed.

to be given a copy of the information with any unintelligible terms explained;
to be given any information available to the controller about the source of the data;

So, they'll be required to give you copies of information they hold about you. You probably don't want this, but the administrative burden is the aim here.

If they don't provide the said details with 40 days, complain to the DPR and they will be likely to be fined.

Re:A better way to hurt CCTV operators (UK only) (1)

leastsquares (39359) | more than 12 years ago | (#2748480)

Nice idea, but:

This is just plain wrong. "Anonymous" data is not covered by the data protection act. The CCTV frames would only become covered when they link your image to your identity. And even then there are suppliments to the 1984 DPA which provide exceptions, i.e. faces of suspected football hooligans can be stored.

Good waste of £10.

I think I am the first to say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2748455)

Merry Christmas!

And before anyone says it's not christmas yet - well, it is in GMT, which is where I am. :p

Cute, but don't try that on my watch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2748487)

As others have mentioned already, taking pictures of security personnel is a sure fire way to get locked up. On a government installation you're looking at even stiffer penalties. I work at one of these installations, and a large part of my responsibilities comes with standing force protection watches. If anyone comes too close with cameras, binoculars or other surveillance equipment, you asume they are gathering information to do you harm, and respond appropriately. If someone could get that close to us (which they couldn't) and attempt to harass any of my watchstanders like that, I wouldn't hesitate to call away a security alert even though such action would do potentially fatal harm to this misguided individual. I'd take chance over having some militant fundamentalist gather the last bit of crucial information needed to repeat what happened to the USS Cole.
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