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Apple PDA?

michael posted more than 12 years ago | from the we-love-the-leader dept.

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An Anonymous Coward writes: "Pictures of what would appear to be Apple's forthcoming PDA, the "iWalk" have slipped onto the net, and this time they don't seem fake, as evidenced by the quicktime movies also included. Those interested can check out the pictures here, apparently courtesy of SpyMac."

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first apple public display of affection post (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2778322)

first post!!

Broken link? (-1, Offtopic)

guroove (231050) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778325)

I keep getting some .css page. What's going on here?

LET THE RETARDED ONE EDUCATE YOU!!!! (-1)

Retarded_One (518093) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778366)

.CCS: Cascading Style Sheet

If you are having a problem with your browser and .CSS, it can mean only one thing: You have been duped into using Open Source software. Mozilla and company do NOT gve you the full experience of the Internet.

1)Goto a software vendor.
2)Purchase Windows XP Professional.
3)Install.
4)Praise the LORD GOD GATES for IE6.
5)Open your eyes to the new and exiting world of games that are not a year old.

Re:LET THE RETARDED ONE EDUCATE YOU!!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2778526)


Why blight yourself with XP just to get IE6?
Just download it!

Anyway, Mozilla is available for a much wider range of platforms then IE - what makes you think he's using Windows?
Yeah, I know you said buy it, but you're a troll.
An inept troll, in fact

hope this does better than the newton! (1, Funny)

kochsr (144988) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778334)

Anyway... the videos downloaded too fast. An interesting question: what does it synchronize to? Outlook? I hope so. And for the users that don't use outlook? Hopefully a slimline but functional application like palm desktop. I hope they let people write apps to let this thing interface with anything.... of course i'm sure they won't let it talk to the PC.

If it stays up is probably a fake (5, Insightful)

sebi (152185) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778336)

Everytime something like this happens you can judge how real the thing is based on Apples reaction. If they request it to be taken of then it's probably real.

But then spymac.com is supposed to be run by Germans and Canadians. Maybe that would protect them a bit from Apple legal.

Re:If it stays up is probably a fake (3, Interesting)

dhamsaic (410174) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778388)

Apple is hyping up MacWorld San Francisco more than they've ever hyped anything up. I don't think they want to give anything away, so I don't think they'd ask anything to be taken down. They've even acknowledged the rumor sites, saying:

"Beyond the rumor sites. Way beyond."

yesterday on their website. I dunno - originally, I'd agree with you, but I really don't think Apple wants to tip their hand right now. To put it another way: 2 months ago, I laughed at the iWalk. Now I wouldn't be surprised if it was unveiled soon.

Re:If it stays up is probably a fake (1)

MaxVlast (103795) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778471)

The thing that gets me is that these 'leaked' pictures look a _whole_ lot like the iPod. The old iWalk was more of a throwback to the older design of the Newton and the PowerBooks. The iPod and these new pictures are very much in sync with Apple's new design sensibilities.

Also, I couldn't believe the name 'iPod' when I first heard the rumors. Now that it has actually been used, I'm slightly less skeptical about 'iWalk.'

Re:If it stays up is probably a fake (2)

n-baxley (103975) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778510)

In the turnaround video, you can hear someone say something in German. ... bitte. I'm not sure what it is, and there's no audio aounds in the other 2 videos.

There's a good chance it's fake... (5, Informative)

Electric Angst (138229) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778337)

This comment on MacSlash [macslash.com] has a big list of possibly problems with the "evidence" for the iWalk. (Hell, someone's gonna get a five for posting this, might as well be me.)

Re:There's a good chance it's fake... (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2778382)

Well, a PDA wouldn't exactly be 'groundbreaking'

So it's obvious what the new product is.

It's a...

...two-button mouse!

Re:There's a good chance it's fake... (1)

Electric Angst (138229) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778418)

Nah, a two-button mouse isn't groundbreaking. It's just redundant. You have mouse, you have button, who needs anything else?

Re:There's a good chance it's fake... (2, Offtopic)

MaxVlast (103795) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778483)

Walk slowly backwards and avoid eye contact ... there's still time to get out of this situation without any ugliness ... remain calm, everyone ...

Re:There's a good chance it's fake... (2, Funny)

Bob Abooey (224634) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778486)

BLASPHEMY !!!

The assumption there is that Mac users can somehow manage to figure out how to use a keyboard with over one hundred little tiny keys yet they are too stupid to be able to figure out how to use a mouse with more than one button. I mean Sweet Jeusus at the bus stop, it would have been more innovative for them to sell mice with a great big "L" on the left button and a great big "R" on the right button. That way the Mac user could figure out the difference between a right click and a left click.

The whole "one button mouse is easier to figure out than a two button mouse" is one of the biggest urban myths ever propagated.

Seems likely to be a fake (4, Informative)

sg3000 (87992) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778412)

I agree that it seems to be a fake. In the iWalk_Still10.jpg [interfacestudio.net], it shows the Apple logo on the job wheel, something that looks kind of retarded. If look at an iPod, it's clear that their industrial design goes for more of an understated look -- for example, there is no Apple logo on the front of an iPod. [apple.com] In fact, I'd expect an Apple PDA today to look more like an iPod.

The screen looks kind of odd in that shot, too. it looks like the scroll bar on the right doesn't quite line up with the tool bar on the bottom. I'd also expect the UI to look more like Aqua.

If this thing plays MP3s, Apple will be canabalizing sales from their successful iPod. They've been pretty good about marketing recently, and I'd be surprised if they pulled an obvious blunder like that (particularly since they're still stinging from the poor marketing they did with the overpriced Cube).

Finally, if I understand correctly, Steve Jobs hated the Newton. I believe he called it a "damn scribble toy" before he killed it a few years ago. It would be odd for him to resurrect it.

In short, I think this is likely another hoax.

logo there for a reason (3, Insightful)

crayz (1056) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778467)

Check out the bootup movie and the other stills - the logo is there to let you choose how you want the OS oriented on the screen(vertical or horizontal). Watch the bootup movie to see how he changes the orientation by spinning the wheel and pressing the button on the bottom.

People have a lot of reasons why it's fake, but I think this is just way too elaborate. It's gotta be the real thing.

Re:There's a good chance it's fake... (5, Interesting)

MikeBabcock (65886) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778429)

The commenter referenced has a number of points that refer to his/her personal feelings about Macs that probably don't apply. The MessagePad 2xxx had a big ugly connector in the bottom for syncing (although it didn't have Firewire) and given that my MessagePad 120 uses a 0.7A charger, its possible you might not want to draw the current off of a Firewire port.

Other problems they have might be entirely overlooked by actual Mac hardware and software makers; the MessagePad doesn't look very much like a Mac at all and the bottom group of buttons was screened on in earlier versions but turned into a floating dock in later versions (that looked the same).

... etc.

I don't know if its a fake or not, but Apple's got to feel stupid for discontinuing the Newton right before Palm did so well (considering Palm wrote Graffiti for the Newton at the time).

People also seem to not realise that the printed text recognition in the Newton OS 2.x devices was almost perfect; so if you could bear to print your text instead of cursively writing it, the recogniser did very well, as well as being able to store the vectors of handwriting to be recognised later when you had more time to turn up the CPU usage.

Re:There's a good chance it's fake... (1)

Arctic Fox (105204) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778436)

Thanks.... this was the best quote...(emphasis mine) "Why make a hoax? Like I said, this feeds egos. Look, we're all idiots, talking about their fake Apple product. Maybe they'll make Slashdot again. In addition, they want ads. Visitors attract advertisers. "

at least I saw the pictures before... (0, Flamebait)

aunchaki (94514) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778339)

...Apple sues these guys.

sue != cease-and-desist (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2778385)

fucking slashdot niggers. or jews, one of them.

Apple started the PDA (1, Troll)

Hairy_Potter (219096) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778340)

They pretty much started the whole market. Most Slashdotters were still in elementary school when Apple started the PDA market, but at least I remember the Newton.

I wonder why Xerox hasn't sued them yet? Oh yeah, Apple's handwriting recognition software didn't work.

Re:Apple started the PDA (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2778378)

Wrong - Apples did work - but it worked with natural handwriting

Xerox patent was for an non-human sort of handwriting - when a human had to adopt to the PDA .

Btw, Graffitti from Palm started its life on Newton ;-)

Re:Apple started the PDA (1)

andrewski (113600) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778401)

You may remeber the newton, but apparently you never really used one. Mine is sitting on the desk nearby (MessagePad 110). I used the machine all the time, until I got a Palm Pilot. The handwriting recognition, after a training period of about a month, was bitchin'! My handwriting looks like that of a four year old chimpanzee. The Newton was able to keep up with it at full speed. I used Grafitti on it for a bit, but gave up and went back to the original Newton HWR because it worked well for me.

Re:Apple started the PDA (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2778443)

Spoken by someone who's never used a 2.0 Newton.

The writing recognition on the first Newtons (100, 110) did suck. Later ones using the 2.0 OS had good recognition, at least as good as Pocket PCs today.

Re:Apple started the PDA (4, Informative)

Quixote (154172) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778453)

Oh yeah, Apple's handwriting recognition software didn't work.
Newton's Handwriting recognition (HWR) software was done by a Russian company called Parasoft [parascript.com] (now known as Parascript, and based in CO).
The Newton was waay ahead of its time. For one, it didn't have the processing power required to do great handwriting recognition. Given today's embedded CPUs, I would not be surprised to see some really good HWR stuff in this (rumored?) PDA.

Newton HWR kicks ass (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2778481)

The earlier Newtons HWR wasn't that great. Starting with the Newton 110, and specificaly the Newton 2000 and 2100,the HWR software known as Rosetta kicked(and still kicks) major ass. Combined with the palm rejection characteristics of the Newton's touch screen, it is still far more useable than even todays top-off-the line PocketPC running Calligrapher. This is based on ownership, not guesses.

Re:Newton HWR kicks ass (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2778494)

sorry, meant to say "Starting with the Newton 130" not the 110.

Man I hope so... (0)

dasspunk (173846) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778343)

Please let it have Newton type handwriting recognition... Palm's sucks...

Re:Man I hope so... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2778421)

download tealscript and train it to anything you want and, oh, quitcherbitchin !

apple sux (-1)

trollercoaster (250101) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778344)


I'll get this thread started.

They only have one mouse button.
They don't have a floppy.
Their laptop batteries catch fire.

Okay, fill in the rest please.

Uhh ohh.... (0)

beamz (75318) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778346)

Jobs: Who leaked those videos? Find them and kill them. And as for that Mac site, send a cease and desist ASAP.

Looks like a cool device, perhaps as cool as the iPod they're putting out.

delightful.. (0, Flamebait)

bo0push3r (456800) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778349)

apple churns out more glorified toys! man.. they're right up there with nintendo now in my book.

let's see some specs on this thing.. which overpriced/underpowered cpu are they using this time? this thing is slated to be more expensive that comparable units by how many orders of magnitude? oh, and it's running MacOS LE (or some crap) making sure that all your compatibility needs are attended to.

yawn.. :\

-j0nah

Re:delightful.....yes, it is (2, Interesting)

DwarfGoanna (447841) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778469)

Judging by the trollish nature of your post, I'm guessing you haven't actually used an iPod (or possibly any of the latest Mac hardware). It's anything BUT underpowered (It's too early in the morning for me to make a pun about how it charges it's 10 hour battery via Firewire), and guess what? There is no comparable unit.


Apple's strength (and their current strategy) is that all their stuff works together in ways that cheap commodity crap cannot. Yes, many of the features are Mac-only. Gee, maybe thats because they want more people to buy Macs. Go figure.


Just because they carry a massive boulder of FUD around on their back does not mean they aren't doing some really cool sh!t these days. I'll bet my left testicle that this thing can do sh!t no other PDA can do.


Why?


1) Jobs is one nitpicky SOB, and this (ala the Cube and iMac) looks like one of his pet projects.


2)This is Apple's latest marketing scheme and product strategy. Leveraging the fact that they make the hardware AND software.


3)Apple invented the fscking PDA. There is no question they have been working on this since the Newton got killed.


While you can have fun getting your Visor, Rio, and Heinz 57 box to play nice, life just got a little sweeter for 5% of us. =)

Early Prototype or Fake (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2778350)

Discussion on the AppleInsider boards has determined that either this is a clever hoax using high quality printouts behind a plexiglass front in an injection moulding, or this is an early prototype.

The design features just don't match Apple's current look, and of course there are the rounded edges on an lcd screen, the large apple wheel and the vga and serial out connections.

But it is nice, isn't it.

Excuse me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2778352)

... excuse me while I go take an iCrap.

Only a few more days... (2, Informative)

bjb (3050) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778353)

It will be interesting to see what Apple has in store for us on Monday at the Mac Expo. Apparently the rumor mill has been reporting the large purchase of flat panel displays by Apple (read: flat panel iMac?), a large purchasing of G5 chips (read: faster boxen) and the recent trademarking of the term "GigaWire" (new FireWire standard?).


As for the G5 chips, Apple seems to like to offer 3 speeds of processor. Supposedly Apple will offer 1.2, 1.5 and 1.8GHz speeds. If the production of 1.8 chips doesn't work out very well, then they might make the 1.5 the high end and make a 1.0 the low end.


Still, whatever comes out is my next computer purchase :-)

Re:Only a few more days... (1)

sconest (188729) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778389)

Flat panel Imac, G5 , GigaWire... This isn't what I'd call "Beyond the rumors. Way beyond" (as Apple said for those who missed it).

A (mac addict) coworker of mine also though about a super mobile phone (the iPhone ?) in the like of Handspring Tréo.
Then again, I don't call it revolutionary

Guess we'll just have to wait...

already slashdotted (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2778361)

already slashdotted ... or already sued.

gullible (1, Flamebait)

clarkie.mg (216696) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778364)

It's the same thing evey quarter, pffffff. Long live apple and their fanatics, they add a bit of fun to this serious world. However, I don't know what they will invent IF apple really makes a pda one day.

Re:gullible (2, Redundant)

MikeBabcock (65886) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778377)

You're either a troll or you're unaware of the Newton Messagepad.

Apple discontinued because it seems they were 6 years ahead of the market and not quite smart enough to make a cheaper version to whet peoples' appetites.

Search "newton messagepad" on ebay.com or "ntlk" or "newton package" for lots of good sites on google.com.

Re:gullible (1)

MaxVlast (103795) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778392)

Apple (read: Steve) cancelled the Newton because it was John Sculley's pet project. Steve hates John because John pushed Steve out of the company fifteen years ago. Consequently, when Steve returned, he killed all of John's projects.

(Next episode: Steve's evil twin impregnates Kitty and runs off to Monaco with a cache of G5 chips. Steve burns down John's love-nest in the tropics.)

Re:gullible (1)

MaxVlast (103795) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778409)

Damn. Forgot the link. For the interested, check out Apple-History [apple-history.com]. Also, Steve Levy (I think)'s book "Insanely Great" is a pretty darned neat read on the origin of the Macintosh.

Re:gullible (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2778460)

And there's a goverment coverup of the face on Mars...
And the Black Helicopters...

I bet you're one of the idiots who endlessly posts about how we would all have 5ghz Mac clones that cost only a dollar if Jobs 'hadn't killed the clones'...

Here's a clue dummy to the real story dummy...

The Newton line wasn't profitable, therefore Jobs...

the newton is dead, you know. (2)

clarkie.mg (216696) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778407)

Yes apple made the newton but they stopped it what seems a long time ago. So now, they are not making a pda (obviously, the post is fake). So my IF in "However, I don't know what they will invent IF apple really makes a pda one day." remains.

Apple Hype (1, Interesting)

sebi (152185) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778370)

According to apple.com monday is going to be

"Big, even for our standards"
"Count the days, count the minutes, count on being blown away"
"Beyond the rumour sites, way beyond"
"A backstage pass to the future"

Would anyone consider this iWalk thing to match these descriptions?

Re:Apple Hype (2, Funny)

fader (107759) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778476)

Would anyone consider this iWalk thing to match these descriptions?

No, but then I remember all the hype about Ginger, and we all know how earth-shattering that was.

Re:Apple Hype (5, Funny)

peteshaw (99766) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778479)

I can make a few guesses about this little mysterty


"Big, even for our standards"
"Count the days, count the minutes, count on >>being blown away"
"Beyond the rumour sites, way beyond"
"A backstage pass to the future"


How about:

Apple has finally regained its lost sanity and ported OS/X to x86 architecture. In an astounding jump, Apple, like Sega, has discovered it is better off as a pure software shop.

Or better yet:

This just in: Apple is not out of the hardware business entirely, they are also releasing an entirely new games system, called the iBox. Its going to cost over a thousand dollars and will only work with Apple brand televisions, which will be released later.

Okay, I'm just kidding, okay. JUST KIDDING. Comprende?

Re:Apple Hype - OT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2778485)

Umm, when Blizzard was close to announcing world of warcraft, many people, although they knew full well it was not, hoped and expected the title to be announced to be Starcraft 2.

Now I'm hoping monday they will announce OS X for x86. Don't correct me, man lives as long as he hopes.

Re:Apple Hype (1)

MaxVlast (103795) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778495)

If it cleans the floor with WinCE, I would. Look at what they did with the iPod -- Apple took something that was a commodity, fairly dull, and made a really exciting product that most people thought was exceptionally cool. I can see them doing that with the PDA market. After all, the Newton was pretty darned cool.

oh no! more isms... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2778372)

iCrawl

iAmExpensive

iBug

iSuck

Re:oh no! more isms... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2778475)

iLoveU

Any mirrors? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2778376)

Anyone have a mirror for these pics yet?

Maybe not since this is lawsuit-fodder.

It comes from SpyMac.com (5, Informative)

Trajan's Horse (543334) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778379)

the same folks who had a mockup picture of the 'iWalk' back in October. These guys lack all credibility in my book, and were very clever back then at getting the Apple community all excited. Even Slashdot reported it in October. Check out their archives on http://www.spymac.com on and around October 23rd for the first run at this hoax.

Big announcement with be OS X for Intel (2, Interesting)

Mean_Nishka (543399) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778380)

Call me crazy but I still maintain 'the next big thing' from Apple is going to be a port of OS X to an Intel platform.

Jobs' NextStep OS, which forms the foundation of OS X, was at one time ported to the Intel platform. Since many of Apple's latest innovations are an extension of failed ambitions at NeXT, it's not a stretch to imagine this product being announced on Monday.

Re:Big announcement with be OS X for Intel (2, Interesting)

NeuroManson (214835) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778413)

I doubt it... Consider the fact that Apple and Microsoft have been odd bedfellows since the mid 80's, that Microsoft owns some Apple stock, and yet the most poetic of revenge... Apple LIKES Microsoft's monopoly basis, as long as it can get the company shut down...

So why would they release ANY mainstream OS when it could ensure MS being able to wriggle out of such claims? That's like fighting the war against Nazi Germany and handing them the A-bomb (godwin be damnned)...

Re:Big announcement with be OS X for Intel (1)

Mean_Nishka (543399) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778430)

Apple to Microsoft is like Pakistan to the United States : They're 'allies' yet both Apple and Pakistan will be screwed in the end :). I don't see the problem now that Apple is able to operate on their own without Uncle Bill's dollars.

Re:Big announcement with be OS X for Intel (1)

andrewski (113600) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778433)

Both NextStep and OpenStep were ported to the PC. In fact, I wanted to run OpenStep instead of Linux back in the day, but I couldn't afford OpenStep. Damnit!

Re:Big announcement with be OS X for Intel (1)

MaxVlast (103795) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778499)

Don't worry -- you still can't afford it. (It goes for $200+ on eBay.) That's how you know it's quality software. Five years dead and still a hot commodity. Even illegal copies are costly nowadays.

Re:Big announcement with be OS X for Intel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2778461)

I don't think so. Apple makes 99% of its money from hardware which requires OS X. Making OS X for Intel would take away one of the few reasons to buy a Mac over a cheaper PC.

Re:Big announcement with be OS X for Intel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2778477)

Although the MacOS on Intel rumors/speculation was tiresome to read about years ago, it does have the benefit of giving retards like you something to post about while everyone who actually has a brain...

Re:Big announcement with be OS X for Intel (1)

jazzyjez (541286) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778491)

You'd like to think so. However, Apple doesn't make any money from software, so it'd be a commercial disaster for them to do that - suddenly there'd be a massive drop in Mac hardware sales which is where they make most of their money.

The only reason I'd really like to see OSX ported to Intel is so I can use applications like Cubase on it. Maybe someone will find a way of emulating the OSX API - anyone know how difficult that would be given its closeness to BSD?

Re:Big announcement with be OS X for Intel (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2778513)

Ahem... You're crazy.

They must be real..... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2778381)

Only Apple would use quicktime to do videos!

Good Grief (1)

heidialyssa (325579) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778391)

I hope they're not planning a PDA. Handspring and Palm's are over saturated and even THEY are unable to sell them.

Dazzle us with new iMacs, faster processors and perhaps a new tower case.

Additional Photo (1)

Twiki (471742) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778394)

I can't get to the main story link; is this [theapplecollection.com] an accurate photo?

Re:Additional Photo (1)

bo0push3r (456800) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778423)

hah.. no. that's not what it looks like at all. the 'iWalk' pictured in another story from the same source looks like a palm Vx that's had the case stripped off, painted some metallic color and brushed for effect.. the picture you submitted depicts a totally different animal.

way to go guys! :(|)

Re:Additional Photo (2)

Lars T. (470328) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778446)

No, that's the iWalk-fake they did a couple of days before the iPod came out. Their new iWalk-fake looks somewhat like an iPod ;-)

Re:Additional Photo (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2778454)

Nope.

4comments and the sites already ./ed (0)

dirtyeye (322393) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778404)

well, i didn't expect much else

can someone offer a mirror of the video clips?

and on the topic of what it will sync to - i think it would be interesting if apple bought out there own software - syncing passwords with the built in key chain would be nice - i do hate having to reuse the same passwords everywhere just to make their management easier

Re:4comments and the sites already ./ed (1)

Mean_Nishka (543399) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778415)

One of the problems with Newton was that it was so much larger than the Palm Pilot many folks had a hard time taking it with them. If the spymac.com photos are true, this will be yet another Apple failure. This thing is way too big and clunky and borders on downright ugly!

The form factor to beat is the Ipaq. It's powerful yet small enough to fit in a pocket. That's what people want.

they have a tough NUt to crack (5, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778406)

I still use my Palm IIIx. I have thought of changing or upgrading several times. But nothing can add any useability or real functionality to my Palm IIIx. the color screen is nothing more than a gimmick. and make the unit un-useable outside, and forces you to charge it everyday. The neat-o add-on gadgets are only toys, and the mp3 player add-on for the handspring is lame and more expensive than buying a seperate mp3 player.

the only palm device that has my interest is the Sharp Zaurus running linux. but only for a few of the neat-o features. as for productivity? it offer's nothing, and will actually hamper my productivity by forcing to learn a new interface, no Linux sync and probably a much shorter battery life.

So what can apple offer to this world that would entice me to drop my palm-pilot for their peoduct?

Re:they have a tough NUt to crack (2, Interesting)

weeble (50918) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778500)

I would disagree with your comments on Zaurus useability.

Some of the things that I find very useful are as follows:

The ability to mount an nfs drive (the max I have had is 61Gb on my PDA ;-)

The ability to log into any of my servers using ssh via an infrared connection to my mobile. I am not sure whether this can be done using a palm.

The Zaurus screen is higher definition than the palm and it should be possible to do a Solaris install via a serial connection once serial cables are available.

Web browsing is much better using opera and is very usable even via a mobile phone.

Compact flash ethernet for mobile connectivity around the office is fantastic :-)

At present I think for a laptop / portable replacement I am missing gpg and imap (though ssh, screen and pine works well)

On the trivial side I have got it playing videoCDs at about 3 frames a second.

Better effort this time. (1)

spacelord carpman (547655) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778408)

Whoever did the iWalk on the previous 'Big Release' from Apple (which became the iPod) has learned from their previous failures. This time, instead of pasting an object into a picture, and then messing up the shadows they used a real object (bet it's an iPaq in a plastic shell, Apple would never put something as obtrusive as that jog wheel where it is). However, they again made a fatal mistake. Whenever you see the unit run, you will notice arround the edges of the screen that there is a shadow all arround. This is not possible in a real world, I'm affraid. Also, when the person writes, you never actually see them write, only the written words after they move their hand. Oh that I could believe it were true.

Mirror (4, Informative)

sebi (152185) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778414)

mirror [stovalldesign.com] to the quicktimes. just in case.

i just read that apple did not register a iwalk related domain. can anyone confirm this? they registered ipod.com before that was released...

Re:Mirror (1)

Merlin42 (148225) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778497)

The videos look very fake to me. Did anyone else notice that the iWalk is _very_ still whenever the screen actually in use? Just plop a nice blue square in where the screen should be and composite in generated screen shots .... Not too dificult if you have any experience w/ special effects. And as someone else pointed out, the apple logo spinning!?!?!? You've got to be joking!

Apple (1)

kawaichan (527006) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778425)

Apple is probably the only tech company right now that can create hype and somewhat live up to it. Unlike someone (M$, Intel etc)

iWalk is totally fake, I think it was on /. last time the day when Apple announced iPOD.

Apple will never, never, never release OSX for Intel, I know it would be cool (I honestly would pay at least $100 for it) but that would hurt Apple's hardware sales. (and one of the main reason why iBOOK are selling like hotcakes right now). They might announce LCD iMAC and probably a digital camera.

Re:Apple (1)

MaxVlast (103795) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778511)

I'd much rather use LINUX on my PC. No more of that silly WINDOWS for me. Though an IPAQ might be kinda cool. Does SUN offer anything like that? I don't THINK so.

(Is it really that hard to remember the capitalization of things like iBook. iMac, Mac, etc.? It's not like they're NeXT, NEXTSTEP, or OpenStep, whose capitalization really is weird.)

I hope they're right. (1)

jpellino (202698) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778427)

I miss Newton. It did rev 1 what palm still is unable to do - parse and integrate what you WANT.

Hell, I miss the Magic Link!

Compared to a real GUI/OS, using PalmOS is still like trying to talk to the Frankenstein/Tonto characters from Saturday Night Live.

As for compatability - who cares about the device os as long as it syncs with anything - like palm does.

Argh.... (1)

Myuu (529245) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778431)

GDMNT... I just bought my YOPY...and now this...better suck =/

As far as GigaWire goes...Osopinion.com ran a STORY [osopinion.com] that makes sense...cool if real....

Mmmm...built in airport...=/...Ipod hybrid...how can it suck?

has a remarkable resembalence to this PDA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2778434)

check out http://www.sharp.co.jp/products/mie1/
This PDA matches the basic shape and can play full screen video clips

A dirty trick! (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2778445)

That's a dirty trick, selling your cheap Apple toys to young kids who don't know any better. Let me guess: you even convinced them that iBooks were computers, right? Those poor, damned youngsters. I don't want to see the looks on their sweet young faces when they go out into the Real World and discover that employers expect people to know how to use Windows.

Why, it ought to be a crime to give Macs to impressionable kids. It's like giving them heroin... both heroin and Macs are overpriced trash used by the dregs of society, degenerates who mask their inadequacies under the guise of "artistic personality." Why, I'll show you where heroin and an artistic personality will get you: dead. Just look at Kurt Cobain. Oops, you probably shouldn't have looked at that, he isn't too pretty without a head.

But I digress. The fact is that giving Macintoshes to kids is just wrong. You'll set their technological development back by fuckin' years. I mean, come on... it's a Mac, for Jobs sake. What are these fuckin' jackbooted government thugs trying to do to our children, buying them Macs? I'll tell you what they want. They want these kids in on the Cult. You know, the Crapintrash "True Believers." Those loonies refuse to use real computers, all blabberin' on about the sanctity of Jobs' user interface -- but they can't seem to find "jobs," get it? They're all useless bums and criminals. I don't know why we taxpayers should fund the next generation of dirty Mac users, suckin' welfare off the government teat while moaning about FireWire and AltiVec. I mean, come on.

I don't have anything against givin' kids toys, and a Mac is a fine toy for a little girl, or a boy whom you suspect of being queer. But tellin' these kids that these toys are computers? Why, that's an abomination! I suppose next you'll be tellin' them that "Power Wheels" are just the same as real automobiles, and we'll have kids gettin' run over on the highway! Tell me, people, do you want your children being run over on the highway of life?

A Mac is a fine toy, see, but I recommend buying your young ones GameCubes instead. Both Macs and GameCubes are multicolored plastic toys designed for the underdeveloped mind, but at least a GameCube doesn't have all the fuckin' stigma of a Mac. You want your kids being part of the weak leftist politicians, "subversive" wannabe artists, and child molesters that make up the Apple "community?" Fine. But don't spend my tax dollars doing it, you fucking communists.

I don't expect much sympathy from you Linux folks. You're just as much wannabe-commies and hypocritical Windows-bashers as the Mac crowd, but you can't even afford decent hardware. I intend to prove that each and every one of you is a terrorist, like Anand lal Shimpi. What with all the talk of stealing copyrighted material, violating contractual license agreements, and the like on this sorry excuse for a weblog, I wouldn't be surprised if Osama bin Laden himself is holed up at the Geek Compound. Probably taking advantage [geocities.com] of Malda's loose asshole and installing PGP from the Red Hat Power Tools CD, so that he can further injure the American republic. You're going down, Slashdot!

-- The_Messenger [geocities.com]

Mod parent comment up! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2778512)

This has got to be one of the funniest things I've ever read in my life. Mod up the parent.

Fool you once... shame on you! (1)

Bug-Y2K (126658) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778456)


This is the same site [spymac.com] that was predicting the "iWalk" before the "iPod" was released.
Note the date (10-23-2001) on the above URL.

Never believe the Mac 'rumour sites' they rarely get it right. Except for the 'night before the keynote' in the past when leaks showed up from the show-floor setup folks. Perhaps this is why the keynote was moved up a day. [macworldexpo.cm] I have heard show floor setup security will be very tight. No vendor is allowed on the floor to setup until after the keynote starts, except Apple of course.

The only (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2778464)

The only big thing that SHOULD come out from Apple nowadays is a new CPU that can compete with x86/IA64 etc.

I just hope it will be a mean version of POWER4.

PDAs are "dead" due to a overheated market. And, they are by definition not BIG.

they were going to name it... (2, Funny)

Lurking Grue (3963) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778466)

e-walk, but some guy named Lucas threatened to sue. (Also couldn't get NSYNC to agree to perform at product launch.)

Too much for Macworld (1)

TexTex (323298) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778484)

One of the biggest criticisms that struck a chord with Apple was that they had these HUGE Macworld presentations, followed by two or three conferences with not much of note. You lose a lot of mystique when the CEO comes out and waves his hands and poof...all that happens is processor speeds increase. So while there will most likely be announcements of note come January 7th, we're not going to get ALL the annoucements of note. Something, and probably a few, might be saved for further development until summer.

I'd expect a new Mac...most likely the iMac revision as it's suffered without serious attention for the longest period of time. The G5 seems unlikely only because they aren't going to be shipping it even if they announce it, and showing off and shipping would be truly an annoucement.

"Maybe they'll make Slashdot again..." (1, Informative)

The_Messenger (110966) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778487)

I'm sure that everyone has seen the hoax debunking on MacSlash by now [macslash.com]. Check the comment at the bottom:
Why make a hoax? Like I said, this feeds egos. Look, we're all idiots, talking about their fake Apple product. Maybe they'll make Slashdot again. In addition, they want ads. Visitors attract advertisers.
LOL... :-) Indeed.

Dudes, it's fake (2)

ZigMonty (524212) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778492)

There is no way that apple would put their badge on such a shoddy product, not these days anyway. Compare the "iWalk's" design with the iPod's. Come on people, if Apple wanted to break into the Pocket PC market (ie. more than just an organiser) it would have to be at least as good and look at least as cool as an iPaq. This doesn't even come close. Hell, it probably IS an iPaq under that god-awful case.

The poor design (that's a jog wheel?!) makes this an obvious fake.

as an earlier poster said... (2, Redundant)

banky (9941) | more than 12 years ago | (#2778493)

Its a fake. Something the poster DIDN'T mention was the screwy cursor in the upper-left corner corner during the handwriting demo, which is what sold it for me; someone obviously didn't check closely enough before releasing.

Another thing that got me was the jog dial. It was OBVIOUSLY bolted on. Look at the iPod's dial: it lands perfectly under your thumb, and it is grouped closely with the controls. It is about 3/4 of the way up the device, putting it everything perfectly in reach. This thing, its on the bottom, and it PROTRUDES. In any configuration, it's in the wrong place, because you have to use the bottom button thing to actually anything. At least the iPaq's bottom-center button is a 4-way hat thing.

I wish it was true. Like the Ars Technica articles, "I want to believe".

Re:as an earlier poster said... (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2778521)

You sound like a palestinian. Uh there is no way that Osama bin Laden attacked America it is a Mossad conspiracy.

You people are all alike. You make outlandish claims about the authenticty of a piece of electronics for crying out loud. It's not like a religious text, or the grand unifying theory.

Help! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2778505)

I can't get iWalkboot.mov to play. I'm running Quicktime 5.0.2
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