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Panasonic 'Q' First Look

CmdrTaco posted more than 12 years ago | from the stuff-to-lust-after dept.

Games 194

austinij writes "National Console Support has purchased and taken apart the Panasonic 'Q', a Nintendo Gamecube/DVD player device in one. Pictures and brief descriptions are included. Lets hope for a review soon! " That just looks so nifty. I've heard of DVD players including PS1 support in the not so distant future too. Apparently its fairly inexpensive to do it now.

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El (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2785125)

El mensaje primero.

Que? (-1)

ringbarer (545020) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785130)

He's from Barcelona!

Yo Soy El Nino! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2785171)

For those of you who don't hablo espanol, El Nino is Spanish for....The Nino!

Re:El (In Spanish, duh!) (-1)

ForeignLanguageTroll (529299) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785518)

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Consoles & DVD's? (3, Redundant)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785135)

DVD manufacturers make money selling DVD players.

Console manufacturers loose money selling consoles (but make money on royalties on the games).

Why would DVD manufacturers be interested in attaching something that would really cut profits? Unless the companies name is "Sony" I'm assuming they aren't getting a cut of the game royalties...

Re:Consoles & DVD's? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2785221)

Console manufactures do sell their machines at a loss initially, but as production increases and the cost of the components drop over time this is not necessarilly true for the whole of a consoles life span. Given the age of the PS1 I imagine it is now possible to make a profit on the hardware itself

Re:Consoles & DVD's? (1)

ruvreve (216004) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785236)

This is just a guess but I'm going to assume that the major DVD companies have the factories and necessary equipment to efficiently produce the consoles. Whereas Nintendo/Sony who only release a new console every couple of years have to invest a large amount of capital to produce one product.

Re:Consoles & DVD's? (1)

ultraw (99206) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785313)

The console makers lose a lot of money on the wages for the designers of the boards, and have to make money on selling the games. While they allready have the board designed, they can only hope that more devices capable of playing their games will improve sales.

Also, people might want to buy a DVD-player from a well-known-source (one only wanting a DVD-player won't buy a Playstation) like Panasonic, but might be willing to spend a couple more bucks for the "extra" capabilities (like playing a game).

I personnally think this is a good idea, because it can only boost the sales of the games, and so the original goal of the sales department of sony is reached.

Re:Consoles & DVD's? (2)

ImaLamer (260199) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785239)

Apparently its fairly inexpensive to do it now.

I'm guessing CmdrTaco really doesn't know what he's talking about but act like he does.

DVD makers are making huge profits anyways. DVD is the fastest media format format to take off.

Console makers CHOOSE to loose money on the hardware in order to sell lots more software. Console gaming software licenses aren't cheap, SONY and others know they can only sell so many hard units... although the software sales can go on forever.

With rival companies selling PSX enabled DVD players they have another feature to promote. Maybe they will get ANOTHER cut of the pie since they are actually helping SONY.

But then again... CD player makers all pay tribute to Sony and Philips, and they are still around.

My DVD has built in mp3 decoding, I bet they paid for that too.

Re:Consoles & DVD's? (5, Insightful)

Artifex (18308) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785252)

Why would DVD manufacturers be interested in attaching something that would really cut profits?

The answer is pretty simple, actually. Adding console functionality to a DVD player (which already includes display conversion electronics and a drive unit, along with rudiments like power supply and case) is probably much cheaper than producing a whole console. Coupled with the fact that the console vendor (Sony, Nintendo, et al) might be enticed to partially subsidize the production (because the loss to them per unit would be less than for a full console), and the fact that consumers will be willing to pay somewhat more for a combination unit (which is probably priced much less than the DVD unit and the console would cost together if bought separately), it's probably a break-even or better situation.

Besides, even if they ended up losing 5% of their profit margin on the machine, but sold more units as a result, they'd still go for it. The DVD player market right now is crowded and commoditizing (products with similar features compete on price), so almost any differentiation is something to be sought, from a development and marketing standpoint.

Re:Consoles & DVD's? (2)

Lysander Luddite (64349) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785420)

Not to cast doubt on your argument, but then why didn't Nuon [nuon-dome.com] succeed? There are a few products [mjsg.com] available, but not the breakout success you'd expect from simple product differentiation.

Re:Consoles & DVD's? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2785483)

"Not to cast doubt on your argument, but then why didn't Nuon [nuon-dome.com] succeed? There are a few products [mjsg.com] available, but not the breakout success you'd expect from simple product differentiation."

I think it would be lack of marketing/brand (I've never heard of either of them but I have heard of Nintendo), the software does not seem as compelling (compare Nuon's games to the gamecubes line up). An even better example would be the PS2 where outdoor ads tout it as being a "games movies music" machine.

Re:Consoles & DVD's? (-1)

sucko (257144) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785275)

Console manufacturers loose money selling consoles (but make money on royalties on the games).


Not so fast. According to this [actsofgord.com] sony makes money on each ps2. Not every console makes looses money on thier hardware.

Next Logical Step? (2, Interesting)

AixGE (536006) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785278)

If it is reasonable/cheap/easy to integrate PS1 consoles into mainstream DVD players, then will we be seeing PS1 consoles integrated into our DVD-ROMs? I'm not sure what the implications would be or whether it would be reasonable to do, but being able to use your PC to also natively play console games is sort of an interesting idea.

Gran Turismo anyone?

Mmmm.... High Resolution Monitor... (Insert Homer Simpson drooling sound)

Re:Consoles & DVD's? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2785302)

I don't think older console's still lose money. I am almost positive that the $99 playstation doesn't cost $99 to produce.
I could see that adding a playstation to your dvd player would be nice, but adding something as new as a gamecube, I agree, I don't think there is a lot of money there for the dvd player maker..

Re:Consoles & DVD's? (2)

Surak (18578) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785327)

Compete with SONY? The PSX2 has built-in DVD support. And SONY and Nintendo can only make so many units....more decks means an increase in sales for them.

I'll bet you dollars to donuts Sony, Nintendo, et al. are OEMing this stuff to DVD manufacturers at a a loss, so the DVD manufacturers aren't paying for the loss, the console makers are.

Re:Consoles & DVD's? (-1, Offtopic)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785403)

Redundant? It was the 3rd post of the article (first two were trolls)!!

Jesus, at least be a pansy and use "Overrated". Redundant moderation should require proof...

imagine.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2785140)

a beowolf cluster....

DVD players with PS1 support... (5, Funny)

sailracer6 (262434) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785142)

Do you mean... the PS2?

Re:DVD players with PS1 support... (1)

Amarok.Org (514102) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785193)

I'm fairly certain he means PS1. Sony is still selling enough PS2 units that they wouldn't want to intentionally create competition. The PS1, on the other hand, is old enough that licensing the technology would bring Sony some additional cash, while giving the DVD player manufacturer a way to add value (oops... that's almost a buzz word!) to their product and appeal to a wider audience.

Re:DVD players with PS1 support... (2)

liquidsin (398151) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785208)

And here I thought he was being funny. As in "there's already a dvd player with ps1 support...it's called a ps2"

Re:DVD players with PS1 support... (1)

Amarok.Org (514102) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785212)

Yeah, there is that. :) Doh.

Re:DVD players with PS1 support... (1, Offtopic)

ImaLamer (260199) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785340)

Your sig 0wnz and it's the funniest one I've read ever....

sorry :(

Re:DVD players with PS1 support... (1)

MessiahXI (48280) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785342)

don't worry... I got it ;)

PS.... weird, I've never seen anyone else with the @mindless.com email address... iname, right?

Re:DVD players with PS1 support... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2785333)

Machines with similar config already exists. The China-made Shinco 868DVD player comes with a Sega Megadrive console built-in and - wait for this - the complete set of mega drive games, all 492 of them, on 9 CD-ROM. They are actually licensed from Sega to bundle all these goodies into one DVD player. Check out what the machine looks like: http://assembler.roarvgm.com/Black_market/Shinco_M egadrive_DVD_player/shinco_megadrive_dvd_player.ht ml

Re:DVD players with PS1 support... (1)

motardo (74082) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785400)

I'd like this, but i'm not so sure they're actually licensed by Sega. I'd much rather have a dvd player that could run mame, now THAT i would get :)

-motardo

Re:DVD players with PS1 support... (1)

Juggler cant juggle (43563) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785418)

I'm fairly certain he means PS1. Sony is still selling enough PS2 units that they wouldn't want to intentionally create competition.

But this is for a story for something pretending to be a GameCube which hasn't even been released in Europe yet!

I want one of those cute little cubes.

Re:DVD players with PS2 support... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2785232)

It could be PS2 support. http://www.eetimes.com/story/OEG20000602S0064

While this article is a bit long in the tooth, it could really give it an edge over the XBox and GC... Sony makes more money on the games than the boxes anyway....

You can get a DVD player with PS1 support... (0, Redundant)

darylp (41915) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785149)

It's called a PS2.

aye! trademark infringement! (0)

flamenco_spork (447301) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785152)

What about "Q Sound" and the album by the deceased Michael Hutchence simply called "Q"?

Or that dork from Star Trek?

Re:aye! trademark infringement! (-1)

Sexual Asspussy (453406) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785386)

What about "Q Sound" and the album by the deceased Michael Hutchence simply called "Q"?

perhaps, you ignorant piece of shit, you mean the late Michael Hutchence's side project entitled "Max Q", which was dedicated to abject homosexuality. i'm actually a gay retard of your caliber doesn't have the cover art etched into his head, kept somewhere next to the memories of "your little secret" between you and Daddy. Hutchence (who of course died by his own belt, a tragic victim of autoerotic asphyxiation) and his randy clan of faggy Australians, INXS, released an album called "X" but not "Q". down with the Gay Spork Nation.

Re:aye! trademark infringement! (0)

flamenco_spork (447301) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785526)

How dare you insult the memory of Hutchence. He, nor any of INXS, is terribly homosexual. In fact, Hutchence dated Kylie Mingue for a while, and she is one sexy little mama!

I am insulted at your basal affront to my comment. You attack me when I am posting a legitamate comment unto the masses of el slasho-doto.

You have been labelled appropriately!

Arriba!

What is the point? (1)

Geoffd1 (466931) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785154)

Just a bunch of small pictures of the PCB's, etc. I can't see any of the interesting bits - i.e., the part numbers of the IC's.

Well, now I know the connectors glow blue. That's rather neat.

Bah. (5, Funny)

wo1verin3 (473094) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785168)

If i woke up, walked to the kitchen, 10 bux says that I'd put the toast in the GameQube, and put the DVD in my toaster.

Re:Bah. (1)

Geoffd1 (466931) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785172)

Yeah, it's lucky my frontload drive loads horizontally - I'd end up cramming a waffle in there at 6 am.

Re:Bah. (1)

wo1verin3 (473094) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785227)

Although I may have actually purchased one if I --> COULD -- cram a waffle in there and have it come out cooked.

They could just remove fan/heatsync components and vent the hot air to the top of the unit.

If anyone creates a waffle mod please send me a note, I'm willing to purchase a kit.

Re:Bah. (1)

tenman (247215) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785493)

this think i hear a patent pending artical coming on...

Does this mean... (5, Interesting)

Uttles (324447) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785176)

Does this mean that Nintendo is allowing "clones" of their hardware so that any 3rd party that wants to include GameCube functionality can pay them some royalties and BAM, now your TV has a built in GameCube (or something similar)??

I'm ignorant as to the Nintendo-Panasonic relationship and I don't know anything about their hardware licensing but if they are planning on letting 3rd parties have access to it, they might be onto a really good idea. I know it's a completely different situation, but remember how Macintosh used to keep everything Mac, no 3rd party, but PC's were all about the 3rd party? Well we see how that turned out...

Re:Does this mean... (1)

jkeyes (243984) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785207)

No that doesn't mean that nintendo is allowing clones Panasonic developed the mini-DVD's and memory cards for the gamecube so they are allowing them to sell the hybrid and this also meets the demand for the people who want their console to be a DVD Player too why you would bother when you could get a DVD player and the gamecube for less I dunno.

Standards (1)

g-14 (173080) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785216)

Does this also mean that there will be standards for game consoles now? Even if it is a de-facto standard, it would be nice to just take controllers, memory, etc. from my console to my friends (diff make) console ... oh wait -> someone already thought of that, wasn't it called USB?

Re:Does this mean... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2785298)

Nintendo does this all the time. Back in the N64 days they've licensed the console to Sharp so they can integrate it with a 29" color TV - yes, a TV with a N64 built-in!

Re:Does this mean... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2785467)

"I know it's a completely different situation, but remember how Macintosh used to keep everything Mac, no 3rd party, but PC's were all about the 3rd party? Well we see how that turned out..."

Not sure if this is a misunderstanding, but do you mean that because of no 3rd party intervention Apple was able to bring about things like USB (that was invented at Intel but none of the manufacturers wanted to use) or Firewire (which Apple developed with TI) or simply had some of the best hardware around and that their machines usability was several years longer than the standard PCs usability?

Is that what you were talking about? Or were you talking about the solvency issues that all these 3rd party manufacturers are facing needing to get outta the biz or merge while Apple still has a billion dollars in the bank and are still innovating?

I'm just trying to figure out if this was a standard /. response or if you actually know what you are talking about :-)

Anti-Piracy??? (2, Redundant)

Quasar1999 (520073) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785185)

Wasn't the whole reason Nintendo made their gamecube small, so that it wouldn't accept standard 80mm disks to prevent piracy (since the smaller disks, especially writeable, are harder to come by)???

I don't see Nintendo being happy about this...

That's why they're not bringing it to the US (2, Insightful)

rickthewizkid (536429) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785238)

IIRC, the Panasonic player was not going to come to the US - it was going to be a Japan-only item.

If this is in fact the case, I would imagine that the Panasonic device will be designed from the ground up not to be able to play US discs. (Firmware notes that it is an 80mm disc and refuses to boot it since it knows that all the games in Japan are "normal sized" discs).

What we REALLY need is a software device to allow consoles to provide basic word processing etc. functionality. Instead of having to pay $300 for a game system and $2000 for a computer - why not simply create a $150 hardware and software combo to allow your Gamecube/playstation/dreamcast/nes/whatever to be a wordprocessor for kids to use in school.

Just an idea I had for a while...

-RickTheWizKid

Re:That's why they're not bringing it to the US (2)

volsung (378) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785465)

Since the XBox is practically a PC anyway (with hard drive and all), they would be the most likely candidate for such a system. I won't be surprised if you see MS Office for the XBox by the end of next year.

(That said, reading lots of text from your TV will probably give you a headache.)

Re:That's why they're not bringing it to the US (1)

SekretAsianMan (547098) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785475)

A computer that is good enough to do basic word processing costs WAY less than $2000.

Re:Anti-Piracy??? (2)

coug_ (63333) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785244)

I would imagine that the Q can tell the difference between a gamecube disk and a standard sized disk
and it won't (or shouldn't) allow you to play a GC game on a standard sized disk.

As far as Nintendo being unhappy about it, I'm fairly certain they'd be all over Panasonic's tukus in the legal arena if this wasn't a joint effort.

Re:Anti-Piracy??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2785265)

Any guesses on the when the first CD puncher comes out that chops a standard CDR to a GC size disk?

Re:Anti-Piracy??? (1)

Nullsmack (189619) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785380)

Heh.. that's not needed, You can already buy 3" cd-r's at many retailers and online. BUT I'd like to see you try to fit a GC game on them.

3" cd-r's are only capable of holding 180-220mb each. Now what you really want are 3" dvd-r's.. I haven't seen them out though, but if they are.. they should hold the 1.5gb that the GC's 3" dvd's do.

Re:Anti-Piracy??? (2)

ImaLamer (260199) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785306)

since the smaller disks, especially writeable, are harder to come by

Actually they aren't harder to come by. 3cm disks are popping up because OF the GC and portable mp3 players using the smaller discs.

I've heard rumors that the GC actually has a new way of reading the games so that you can't actually copy them [or copied ones are garbage?] but this type of effort is usually futile as someone will crack it.

Re:Anti-Piracy??? (1)

plone (140417) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785343)

IF i remember correctly, GameCube discs are burnt from the outside in, not the other way around. Currently there are no consumer burners that are capable of burning from the outside tracks of a DVD.

Re:Anti-Piracy??? (1)

Yakko (4996) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785433)

The difference between the GameCube's 3" platter and the 3" blanks you'll find at CompUSA is that the former is a DVD-type format (1.5GB), while the other is a standard 3" CD (185MB).

So, the 3" platters that the GameCube expects may indeed be "hard to come by."

Re:Anti-Piracy??? (1)

rhost89 (522547) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785520)

Yeah 3cm CD discs are easy to come by. But 3cm DVD's arnt. At least as far as i know, the GC's game discs are 3CM DVD Roms

Re:Anti-Piracy??? (2, Informative)

bats (8748) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785329)

Nope. The Gamecube takes smaller discs not because Nintendo is concerned about privacy issues, but because they want to save money. The Ultimate GameCube FAQ [ign.com] describes how the DVD forum requires a $20 fee per unit for everything that can pay DVDs. In order to keep their price point (ie -- Xbox), they choose not to include that functionality. The Panasonic 'Q' combo unit costs more partly because of the DVD playing penalty.

Re:Anti-Piracy??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2785449)

The X-Box doesn't include DVD support either and does not pay the $20 fee. That's why you need to pay $30 for the remote which activates the feature.

Next-gen console with dvd player (0, Troll)

yatest5 (455123) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785186)

Gee whiz, I bet sony wish they'd thought of that...

Might work... (2, Insightful)

MantridDronemaker (541253) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785188)

Reminds me of the Panasonic branded 3DO, only this sounds more useful and will probably have more games (though I did love my 3DO). Nintendo should have the name recognition to help this thing along too. And it looks even more like a DVD player than did PS2- so lots of guys can sucker their girlfriends & wives into buying a new 'DVD' Player :)

Besides the obvious (3, Interesting)

syrupMatt (248267) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785190)

Besides the obvious "I want one" factor, think if the following were incorporated into this:

1) Cable/SatTV decoding
2) mp3/mpeg/avi/etc. player
3) tivo capabilities

what you basically have is an inexpensive all in wonder unit. now i dont know the true specs of a gamecube, but if you could drop a hackable os onto it, you already have a media reader and storage capabilities (options) built in.

people with a little expertise should start taking advantage of the big opportunities game companies are dumping into their laps.

Re:Besides the obvious (1, Troll)

liquidsin (398151) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785228)

"...what you basically have is an inexpensive all in wonder unit"

As a representative of ATI, I must demand that you immediately desist in your use of my company's trademark. That is all.

The page is nearly all graphics, no information. (2)

Eneff (96967) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785194)

That said, the small amount of information I can gather (looking for gameqube and panasonic gameqube on google produces nothing substantial in English) The website describes pictures, and gives no background information.

That said, would anyone mind filling us in on exactly why we need something to emulate a gamecube? I don't know how they could pay royalties and produce these puppies at a margin well enough to justify its development.

Cash cow for Sony? (3, Insightful)

peterdaly (123554) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785197)

Licensing revenues could be huge for this. Other DVD manufactures put in "Sony Guts" (as the SNL saying goes.) Sony at least breaks even on the parts, and then get licensing fees. I bet Sony might not even really provide the guts, they just get big checks in the mail every week. Hell of a business to get into.

Not to mention they get to milk more money out of their old games.

-Pete

Lik-Sang had this apart a while ago.. (1)

popeydotcom (114724) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785206)

Click here [lik-sang.com]

cool (0)

mbennis (160025) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785222)

Now i'll be able to watch my "super" mario bros DVD movie on my GameCube.....:-) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longter m/movies/videos/supermariobrospghinson_a0a81b.htm

Yes, but can it compete with the XBOX? (0, Funny)

Al Gore (152558) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785233)

I wonder how Q's DVD playing capabilities compare to XBox's. You all know that XBox's DVD player is generally considered to be excellent, right? It's on-par with the newest standalone players. The PS2, OTOH, suffers from many playback problems, the most problematic for myself being flickering subtitles. These problems are widely known. So if you're going to buy a console because you also want a DVD player, go for the XBox. Sure, it's more expensive, but it has the best graphics, the best sound (have you heard it in Dolby 5.1? Wow!), the best DVD player, the hottest titles, and the most successful console launch ever! (Trust me, there's a reason why the Microsoft sold more XBoxes in the US during the presale than Sega sold Dreamcasts worldwide during its entire production run.)

Anyway, I can't believe that anyone would buy a console from Panasonic. Sure, these days any company can claim to have more gaming credibility than Pokémon Corp, er, I mean Nintendo, but Panasonic? Wow. I'd buy a TG16 before I'd buy a Q.

Re:Yes, but can it compete with the XBOX? (1)

BlaKnail (545030) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785396)

I should hope more people would buy a TG16 before a Q. :p
Though it never fared too well in the states, the TG16(PC Engine) was the most popular console in Japan for a long time, and its got a lot of fantastic games if you can find them.
If you're gonna make a joke about an older system try the Saturn

Too late? (5, Interesting)

zrk (64468) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785253)

I was going through the internal debate of which game system to buy in December. I was reluctant to buy the Sony because it was out for a year, and they hadn't dropped the price to compete with the Xbox and NGC.

I was favoring the NGC, due to its 4-player capability out of the box(yes I know they others do with silly-ass dongles). However, when I heard that it wouldn't play full-sized DVDs, I was in a quandry - should I wait for the Panasonic player, or should I go with one of the other boxen?

I don't like the Xbox because of who makes it (and it is an acceptable gaming system), and Sony could have stomped the competition by dropping the price of the PS2, sy, by $50, or adding some extras and keeping the price the same, but why they didn't is beyond me.

Many of my officemates have PS2s, and one friend has an Xbox, and another has a PS2.

In the end, I chose to do nothing but wait.

I don't need another PC - I already have a homebuilt kickass system that does everything I need a computer to do. I don't care if you can get it to run Linux (see above).

I want a system to have fun with when I have a bunch of friends over who don't want to stare at their own screens. We already do multiplayer gaming, but with boards, dice, tokens and cards. Occasionally we want something else, and a 4-player gaming system fits the bill quite nicely.

Maybe someone here'll enlighten me on which one to get?

Re:Too late? (1)

jkeyes (243984) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785310)

I was favoring the NGC, due to its 4-player capability out of the box(yes I know they others do with silly-ass dongles).

I don't know who told you that Xbox doesn't do 4 player out of the box because it does or else I'm seeing things
http://www.xbox.com/cms/images/system/xboxvideog am esystem/pim-xboxvideogamesystem-0003.jpg

GC is the answer (1)

popeydotcom (114724) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785330)

Super Monkey Ball is the best multiplayer game I've played on console, aside from Goldeneye on the N64.

Re:GC is the answer (2)

ImaLamer (260199) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785365)

Yes, Golden Eye is nice

Although I'd go with the Sega Dreamcast... better than PS2 [ok it doesn't play dvds], cheaper, cool games, lots of Multiplayer fun, and it can play mp3s and more!

See:
http://www.dcemulation.com

Re:GC is the answer (1)

MessiahXI (48280) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785441)

Although I'd go with the Sega Dreamcast... better than PS2 [ok it doesn't play dvds], cheaper, cool games, lots of Multiplayer fun, and it can play mp3s and more!

I have Dreamcast, and love it. I would have to disagree with you on one point tho. The games. Don't get me wrong there are quite a few really great games (crazy taxi, ecco, soul calibre, et al). With Bleem you can play Gran Turismo 2, Tekken3, and MetalGear? on DC. But once you get the top 10 or 20, you start running out of options. I've rented scores of games that were only good for 10 min of play. Some games are real crap (rainbow6 on DC made me want to break the controller in half).


Also, I believe you can only play mp3s (or run linux or MAME emulators, or anything you have to boot from CD for) on Pre-Oct-2000 units. I found one in summer 2001, so maybe they're still around, but I slightly doubt it.

Re:GC is the answer (2)

ImaLamer (260199) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785459)

Tip: If you want your DC to play CDR's get a older used system.

Why buy them new?

Actually there are several MP3 proprietary players [Pelican AMP] which will boot on any DC. I don't know if they can use the CDR's though.

A simple twist of a screw gives you CDRW playback though.

Re:GC is the answer (1)

karrde (853) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785462)

Also, I believe you can only play mp3s (or run linux or MAME emulators, or anything you have to boot from CD for) on Pre-Oct-2000 units. I found one in summer 2001, so maybe they're still around, but I slightly doubt it.

Do you have no shops around you that buy old games/systems and sell them back?? I can go out rith now and pick up one of those units for $25 and not have to hunt

Re:GC is the answer (1)

MessiahXI (48280) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785602)

yeah, good point... As cheap as DC's are, I just bought one new. But any pawn shop should be a safe bet :)

Re:Too late? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2785358)

i buy a game console to play games on, not watch dvds, although it is easy for me to say that as i already have 2 dvd players. but if you don't already have a dvd player, wait for the Q. from the looks if it you do *not* have to buy an extra accessory (i.e., remote and remote reciever that plugs into a controller port) to play dvds which is a plus.

Re:Too late? (1)

Nullsmack (189619) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785440)

The only reason why other consoles, well I'm not sure how Sony does it with the ps2, but I'm positive this is how it works with the xbox... When you buy an xbox, it doesn't play dvd's out of the box. This is for people who already have a dvd player.. You do not have to pay the dvd license fees just to get an extra dvd player that you aren't going to use! Now, if you buy the remote kit for it.. then you're paying the dvd license fees and you'll be able to watch dvd's on the console with that remote.

I don't know about Sony, but don't they make you buy the remote there too? If so, it might be very similar to the way M$ does it then..

The GC saves some money by not having dvd playback.. that's a given. But also, the Panasonic unit is a little more expensive than it otherwise would be, because it has dvd playback. Then again, what would the point be.. if you got a panasonic unit without dvd playback?

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Re:Too late? (1)

tif (207976) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785447)

We seem to value things similarly so I'll share my reasons for buying a PS2.

Nintendo seems to have really raunchy business policies. Suing people, compromising design decisions to protect license fees, etc.

X-Box is ...well... Microsoft.

The PS2 plays PS1 games. This alone is such a novel thing in the video-game market that I want to vote with my dollars for them. And they seem to be more welcoming to developers. And they seem to be prepared to make the PS2 integrate with the rest of the entertainment system and with a home network.

Re:Too late? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2785494)

Huh? You don't like Nintendo because of their business practices? That's EXACTLY why I don't like Sony. Look at what they did to Bleem! (the Playstation 1 emulator for PCs and Dreamcasts). They sue Bleem! and the courts determine that Bleem! is legal. Sony then tells retailers that if they carry Bleem! their PS2 shipments might get "delayed". A wonderful product and company are killed.

No thanks, I'll stick with my Dreamcast.

Partial Mirror (1)

chris88 (62904) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785269)

Only caught a few pictures.

Front Page [upnix.com]

Just the pictures [upnix.com]

got one (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2785277)

Yeah I live in Japan and have had one of these for weeks. It is a dvd player and gamecube motherboard put into the same box and only share the dvd drive. It looks cool though and I am happy with it. I would assume if one had a dvd-r i would be easy to pirate games. The manual specifically says it can read dvd-r and cd-r disks

The Panasonic Q is going to be... (2, Insightful)

Daniel Wood (531906) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785295)

...great for pirates. Seriously. The GameCube HAD an excellent antipiracy mechanism. Now all HK has to do is crack the disc, distrobution is no longer and issue.

Nintendo made an excellent decision as far as anti-piracy goes with the disc size. I personally love them. I have a feeling that the majority of Q purchases are going to be for the purpose of pirating the games in the near future.

Because of the price of the Q, I don't see piracy becomming a big deal. We know that there must be some heavy profit on each Q sold. This is probably to offset the potential piracy that Nintendo expects to occur.

The only reason we even see a Panasonic Q is because Panasonic probably cut Nintendo a deal on the drives that are in every GameCube.

It does Dolby Digital 5.1 DTS (1)

qurob (543434) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785307)

So now, the XBOX isn't the only console which can do this during regular game play. Granted, the game has to support it, but the hardware does.

Re:It does Dolby Digital 5.1 DTS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2785389)

hey dumbass the ps2 and the gamecube both support dts! get your facts straight

Re:It does Dolby Digital 5.1 DTS (1)

qurob (543434) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785432)

The Playstation 2 doesn't do 5.1 during games, just cutscenes.

The XBOX can.

The Nintendo GameCube can't, but the Panasonic model can.

So.. (-1, Offtopic)

LOTR Troll (544929) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785312)

Well....MALDA, if you insist that hiring a design team and firmware programmers to make something PS1 compatible is "fairly inexpensive", you should fuck off and die.

Nice machine... (4, Informative)

Zoid (8837) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785317)

Unforunately, Panasonic has no plans to release this unit in the US. For now, it's a Japan area only device.

It's too bad, the idea of a shiny gamecube that can play DVDs is pretty cool. I'm also wondering if the lack of sales outside of Japan is related to piracy issues--you can fit 5.25" discs into it. One of the reasons the Gamecube uses smaller 3" discs is to prevent piracy since it's hard to get a hold of something that will make them.

Lik Sang (a company that make mod and game copying kits) also disassembled the Panasonic Gamecube [lik-sang.com] including probably better pictures. They also modified it to play US games (remove the territory lock out). They mentioned it was a bitch to open--something like 45 special screws. Doesn't sound like a fun job to modify.

Re:Nice machine... (1)

Nullsmack (189619) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785481)

I remember reading a few months back that the GC's protection has already been broken.. I can't remember where though. I wouldn't be surprised to find people selling some pressed copies in HK.

Not like it's impossible for you to use recordable media in the console.. see here:
http://www.cdmedia-dvd.com/shopping/cdmedia/dvdr .h tm

The only thing stopping you is that I've heard that Nintendo uses a different way of writing the data to the cd.. some kind of abnormal recording.. and you haven't cracked the protection..

This is all speaking theoretically, of course.

Besides, dvd-r drives are really expensive right now.. has anyone found them for less than $500-$600?

(btw, sorry about not linking that above, I'm not quite sure how to do that on here..)

Here's the official word (2, Informative)

qurob (543434) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785332)


http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011102/tc/tech_p anasonic_nintendo_dc_1.html [yahoo.com]

Friday November 2 2:26 PM ET

Panasonic Says No DVD/GameCube Hybrid in U.S.
Audio/Video

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A hybrid DVD player and Nintendo (news - web sites)
GameCube video game console set for a December launch in Japan will not be
released in the United States at all, a spokesman for Panasonic said on
Friday.

Earlier this week in Tokyo, Panasonic, the consumer electronics brand of
Matsushita Electric Industrial Co. Ltd. (6752.T), unveiled the "Q,'' which
is a combination of a DVD player and Nintendo's new console.

"It's simply a Japan device. ... Right now there are absolutely no plans for
U.S. marketing,'' said Kurt Praschak, a Panasonic spokesman.

The GameCube itself uses a smaller disc than the standard DVD format and is
unable to play DVDs. The two companies announced earlier this year that
Panasonic would produce its own unit with licensed GameCube technology.

Panasonic plans to sell the device from Dec. 14 in Japan for the equivalent
of around $325.

The two main competitors to the GameCube in the U.S. console market, the
Microsoft Corp. (Nasdaq:MSFT - news) Xbox (news - web sites) and the Sony
Corp (news - web sites). (6758.T) PlayStation 2 (news - web sites), both can
play DVDs.

The GameCube will launch on Nov. 18 at a retail price of $199. The Xbox
launches on Nov. 15 at $299. The PS2, which launched in the U.S. in November
2000, also sells for $299.

Nintendo has said repeatedly in the past that its hardware is secondary to
its games, and that it is not concerned with putting features like DVD
playback in its devices.

A Nintendo spokesman said he was unaware if there were any licensing
restriction in Panasonic's deal with Nintendo that would keep the "Q'' from
being released in the United States.

Anti Piracy my ass... (1)

CDWert (450988) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785339)

Ok, so, it looks like the guys at National Console Support are already figuring out how to make the thing play USA/JPN games, Im assuming since thats their business. Cool itll play full sized DVD disks, nice on the AntiPiracy side so what, not every game junkie thief has a DVDR sitting around (or am I wrong ?!!??) Soon yes but not yet, this isnt the same as writing over on a CDR,

How different is the small format , since their written from the inside out couldnt you cut down a DVDR after its burnt , or better yet interface a full size dvd

Ant Piracy will last all of about 6 weeks with this, Its a fact, hell the harder they make it the more of a challenge it is, the more succeptible to hardcore crackers trying to find a way around it.

Re:Anti Piracy my ass... (1)

CDWert (450988) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785350)

Oops I was wrong ...

THERE ARE ALREADY CONVERTED Q consoles for sale on Ebay....

USA/JP game ready...

STRIKE 6 WEEKS
INSERT 6 MINUTES

So much for anti piracy, since the JP are full sized ...

Comparison between regular GC... (2, Insightful)

wumarkus420 (548138) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785349)

I modified my Japanese imported GC and I can say that the motherboard and even the outside bracket are identical to the regular version of the GC. The only difference here is the different laser housing, which surprisingly doesn't neccessarily allow for greater piracy. The GC discs are actually burned backwards (from the outside->in), which will make the biggest difference in replicating the discs. While they may not be bringing this product to the US, the modification is a very simple one which I was personally able to do in a matter of minutes. I just wouldn't look at this as the holy grail of GC piracy until there is more research done on the GC optical technology.

More pictures to drool over (5, Informative)

qurob (543434) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785362)

1 [coremagazine.com]
2 [coremagazine.com]
3 [coremagazine.com]
4 [coremagazine.com]
5 [coremagazine.com]
6 [coremagazine.com]
7 [coremagazine.com]
8 [coremagazine.com]
9 [coremagazine.com]
10 [coremagazine.com]
11 [coremagazine.com]
12 [coremagazine.com]
13 [coremagazine.com]
14 [coremagazine.com]

Re:More pictures to drool over (1)

frunch (513023) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785589)

Ewww.... One good reason not to buy this: I hate electronics that tell me "Hello" and "Goodbye". Creeps me the f*ck out.

It's like some demented engineer had a skewed vision of what "user friendly" means.

I suppose another good reason would be that I already have a gamecube and a DVD-player. And sometimes it's nice to run the two of those at the same time just because I can.

Consoles lose money? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2785363)

Why does everyone assume this? Please provide some evidence, more than anecdotal. I doubt they lose as much money as everyone seems to believe.

Slashdot Should Use Geolocation Tech (0, Offtopic)

malus (6786) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785373)

perhaps /. should use geolocation to limit the visibility of stories like this one, at certain times, so the damned links don't get slashdotted...

Start in the east, and slowly move west...

Huh? (1)

TheCrunch (179188) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785378)

I thought this [slashdot.org] was the first look.

It's called a PS2. (-1, Troll)

13Echo (209846) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785398)

"I've heard of DVD players including PS1 support
in the not so distant future too. Apparently its fairly inexpensive
to do it now."

It's called a PS2, which is a massively parallel 128 bit PSX with a built in DVD player. It has PSX compatibility and retails for $299.

Which rock have you been living under?

Trolling is fun! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2785421)

Its quite fun to trick people to goatse.cx! If you havent
visited it yet, visit it and see why it's so funny
to post links there

Go on, do it for the trolls [goatse.cx]

Several issues to clear up. (5, Insightful)

Frag-A-Muffin (5490) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785446)

Here are a few answers that may clear things up for you.

First off, there *IS* a relationship between Panasonic and Nintendo. So to the guy that said Nintendo wouldn't be happy about it, you're wrong. They're very happy about it. Afterall, Panasonic makes the drives the NGC uses. (I think Panasonic also has a hand in the proprietary DVD-like format the cute little 3" discs use!)

Secondly, all things point to the 'Q' *NOT* coming to North America. Single biggest reason. Piracy. I doubt anyone can (at this moment) get there hands on DVD-like 3" media! :) Well, I take that back. You probably can, it would just cost more than the actual games right now anyways. Later on in the future? I'm sure someone will come up with something. But unlike the PS2 and XBOX, piracy isn't gonna happen on the NGC any time soon. Nintendo has *ALWAYS* tried to keep piracy to a minimum with their proprietary formats. This is a good thing by the way. It keeps the software developers happy. Which means they'll make games for Nintendo. Which means people like me will be happy! :)

Finally, to the dude contemplating what to get. I personally have a PS2 and picked up my NGC at launch. I don't think this is true for the rest of the /. crowd, but I like playing games with my friends. Super Monkey Ball and Super Smash Bros. has provided more than their money's worth already. That said, I can't wait til Mario Cart comes out! :) And I pray there'll be a version of Mario Party for it too. As 'kiddy' as these games may be, they definately do the job. It gives us great fun! And that's why I bought it right? So to answer, if you already have a DVD player (I did, in the PS2) then I would recommend a NGC if you have friends. If you do have friends and don't have a DVD player, than your decision is a little tougher. If you don't have friends at all then it doesn't matter what you get, does it? You'll be playing alone. :)

Anyways, hope that helps someone. Anyone! :)

Re:Several issues to clear up. (1)

qurob (543434) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785588)

Many people, including myself, cast the Game Cube aside orginally.

People think it is Kiddy.

Although Nintendo's big cash cow is the 5-13 year old Pokemon crowd, that fad is nearly gone.

Let's remember these are video games, and they are supposed to be kiddy and fun.

Super Mario Brothers 3 is a game I still play, to this day! As is the original Donkey Kong. Sure, it's cartoony, no photo-realism, no blood and gore.

Doesn't matter, they're fun.

I for one, think games should be fun, and not super realism. There are exceptions, like Flight Simulators.

There are some VERY cool games coming out for the GameCube. Remember other Nintendo classics such as Metroid?
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