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LindowsOS Marches On

Hemos posted more than 12 years ago | from the fight-the-man dept.

Linux Business 474

alphabet26 writes "I just received Lindow's 2001 Wrap-up e-mail, and it looks like they're still forging ahead regardless of the lawsuit Microsoft filed against them. In the update, CEO Michael Robertson included a letter in response addressed to Bill Gates, and also some screenshots of what the new LindowsOS will look like. He predicts the retail version will be available in the early months of 2002."

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474 comments

Calculus (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2785891)

Again! I love calculus! Integration for life!

What dx he going on about? (-1)

ringbarer (545020) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785913)

dx. "de heck's". Gettit?

I have trouble with integration. I prefer the wide-eyed lonerism of complex numbers.

LindowsOS? (-1)

ringbarer (545020) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785892)

Sounds like a load of shit to me!

are you sure that's lindows? (2, Informative)

posmon (516207) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785907)

looks to me like win2k + object desktop.

Re:are you sure that's lindows? (1)

wo1verin3 (473094) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785937)

You miss the KDE icon in the menu at bottom left.

Re:are you sure that's lindows? (2, Insightful)

posmon (516207) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785981)

nope, i assumed that was put in there with the icon packager component of object desktop.

don't you think it's strange that the office icons seem slightly rounded at the corners, when an os that ran windows apps natively should surely use the application provided icons.

AND THERE'S A *WINDOWS* EXPLORER ICON IN THE START MENU FOR FUCK'S SAKE.

Re:are you sure that's lindows? (1)

wo1verin3 (473094) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786008)

entirely possible, my appologies.

Re:are you sure that's lindows? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2786045)

don't worry, i'm not in the mood for 'foe'ing anybody ;)

Re:are you sure that's lindows? (4, Insightful)

Bonker (243350) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785989)

looks to me like win2k + object desktop.

That, of course, is the ultimate goal.

If they can truly sell their product as a 'Windows replacement' rather than just a highly tweaked Linux distro, they'll be able to do some business in the Windows Desktop market.

Of course, there were some pretty glaring problems in the screen shots, such as the missing text on the IE buttons. This would be enough to upset people I've done tech support for:

"But it's supposed to say 'Mail'! Why does it say 'Mai'?!"

But, all in all, I've yet to see so clean a Wine screenshot.

Good luck guys. You're starting with both feet in the gutter, especially with the lawsuit, but I think you might actually have a chance.

KWindows Desktop Manager! (2)

the_rev_matt (239420) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785909)

Wow, it's Windows with different icons! I'm so impressed. Anyone remember linuxOne [google.com] ?

That's a rare combination of words (-1)

ringbarer (545020) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785929)

Linux will NEVER be 'Number One', as it's the biggest 'Number Two' in the history of computing.

Re:KWindows Desktop Manager! (1)

}{avoc (90632) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786092)

Eh, look close. It's KDE with tweaked graphics.

Wine anyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2786115)

So, what is so new about running Wine on Linux?

Did this guy steal the Codeweavers project?

As so they should... (5, Insightful)

jsmyth (517568) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785918)

Innocent until proven guilty?

They should not cease their work until either they choose (i.e. if the market decides they are complete vapourware after all....), or until they are forced to, if a suitably independent judgement decides they are in fact infringing on an extant trademark.

Now the prime issues are will they actually get a decent useable product to market, and can they get suitably independent justice. Their adversary is one of the largest patrons of the legal trade after all...

Re:As so they should... (2, Informative)

posmon (516207) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785923)

microsoft aren't trying to get them to stop their work, just change the name.

Re:As so they should... (3, Interesting)

halftrack (454203) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786122)

Why do you think Microsoft is what it is? The facts are that they are admirably intelligent. They've got professional, intelligent lawyers who know when there is a chance of getting a lawsuit through. Lawsuits must also make some sense. Microsoft probably figured out that this was the most probable lawsuit. Lindows is probably - I'll say nothing for sure - not a financially strong company. And it being in the U.S. - the U.S. not being one of the cheapest countries to lose or even fight a lawsuit in - doesnt make it easier for Lindows.

(If they ever go bankrupt here's a hint: GPL-dump the code.)

What a hoax... (1, Flamebait)

sheldon (2322) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785927)

So can anyone prove that these aren't just screenshots of Windows 2000 with a stardock skin?

Re:What a hoax... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2785973)

Can't prove it, but the window manager looks very much like the default KDE wm (notice the shading on the min/max/close buttons). And the rest if definitly KDE.

Re:What a hoax... (1)

ichimunki (194887) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786099)

Looks more to me like you have to prove that it's anything more than KDE with mockups of actual MS Office apps running in it.

Still sounds like a hoax. (1)

TheReverand (95620) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785936)

And with the screenshots it looks like a hoax as well.

This product is destined to die. There is absolutely no need for something that will do 2 things in a mediocre way.

Computers are cheap. I have 2. One has Win2k. One has OpenBSD. That's all I need. I wish these people and their plans of "Bringing it all together" would go away and produce something useful instead.

Re:Still sounds like a hoax. (1)

wo1verin3 (473094) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785964)

How does "going away" or "staying" help/hurt you?

This is a company producing a product that will likely not have an effect.

To me, this is a product that if it does turn out to be real, and function, that I can present to my managers and them to those above them, because it will not only bring us in to the Linux world as a corporate entity, but not have to purchase/retrain employees that use Windows apps, and not waste licenses we currently own for Windows apps.

While this may not affect you, in the corporate world it takes baby steps to get anywhere. If you take a big step, then people act like babies.

Re:Still sounds like a hoax. (3, Informative)

TheReverand (95620) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785986)

I don't want to replace windows on the desktop with something that will work half as well.

I am in the corporate world. I have no problem getting PHB's to use linux in certain environments.

Right tool for the right job buddy, that's all there is to it. These guys are wasting their time.

Re:Still sounds like a hoax. (1)

wo1verin3 (473094) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786042)

>> I have no problem getting PHB's to use linux in certain environments

Everyone is not as fortunate as you in this circumstance. * IF * this is a good product, and I agree it is quite unlikely, no one requires you to use it.

Why not give it a chance? (2)

JMZero (449047) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786144)

If this product will

A: Run Word well
B: Cost significantly less than Windows

we'd use it. Obviously if it "works half as well" then it will be pointless, but that's not something we can assume right now.

How can you say they're "wasting their time" when you have no idea how good/not good the finished product will be? If these screenshots are honest, I say they could have something significant. If it runs Windows apps well (and it's cheaper or faster or whatever), it could well be the right tool for that job.

Not that I expect it to... but who knows? Not you.

.

Re:Still sounds like a hoax. (2)

peterdaly (123554) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786113)

While some computers may be cheap, my main workstation is a $2800 dell laptop. While I use VMWare to run the couple windows apps I need (Namely DreamWeaver), I would welcome an app which lets me run windows applications nativly. I'm not going to buy a duplicate of my machine to run windows, becaus e it is certainly not cheap.

Like it or not, if this is real (I have no oppinion on the matter), there is a good sized market for a product like this. If it's a solid product that costs less than VMWare, they will get lots of sales.

-Pete

shit (-1)

j0nkatz (315168) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785938)

Why not just get XP and forget about that cheep ass lunix shit!

the text of the letter to Bill Gates (4, Informative)

donutz (195717) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785945)

In the event the server is /.'ed, here's what it reads....

Via Fax and U.S. Mail
(425) 936-7329

Mr. Bill Gates
Chairman, Board of Directors
Microsoft Corporation
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052

Re: Lawsuit Over Our Use of LindowsOS-Proposal for Settlement Discussions

Dear Mr. Gates:

I am writing Chairman to Chairman to discuss the lawsuit your company filed against our use of "LindowsOS" for the LINUX based operating system we are advertising and developing.

I also had the opportunity to read press accounts which state or imply that Microsoft wants to resolve the controversy "voluntarily" and out of court. I would welcome the opportunity to discuss personally a potential informal resolution of this matter. Please call me to discuss this option as soon as possible.

As I understand your lawsuit, you say purchasers will be confused because of our use of "LindowsOS" and Microsoft's use of "WINDOWS" on its "XP PROFESSIONAL" and "XP HOME" operating systems. The corresponding and quite different logos placed next to each other are set out below for your convenience.

[image] [image]

As you can see, the distinct labeling and the differences of our products compel the conclusion that there will be no consumer confusion. We can also create different labeling if necessary or appropriate.

Lindows.com does not yet sell a product-at this point all we are doing is advertising. As you also are undoubtedly aware, when our operating system is ready for distribution, we plan on selling our LINUX based operating systems over the Internet to very sophisticated and discriminating customers who would not be confused that our product was created or sponsored by Microsoft. In contrast, you are selling about 90% of your operating systems to sophisticated OEM purchasers while about 10% are sold as CDs on store shelves. I can assure you that Lindows.com has not done and will do nothing to cause consumer confusion or trade upon Microsoft's goodwill. All we are trying to do is give consumers a distinct choice.

Needless to say, the lawsuit came as a complete surprise. For months, we have been very public with regard to our plans. Detailed descriptions of our operating system have been extensively disclosed and written about in advertising and media. Yet we were given no notice whatsoever of your displeasure with our use of the "LindowsOS" mark or slogan until the lawsuit was filed one business day before Christmas, alleging it was a prohibited use of your mark or slogan "Windows."

We are additionally puzzled because there was never any contact between our companies prior to the lawsuit. I would have thought that a phone call or fax, or even a formal cease and desist letter, would be a more appropriate first step to get to a voluntary resolution. On the other hand, I am glad to read in your court papers and press accounts that you are not trying to stop or prevent our company from launching our LindowsOS product-you just want us to stop using the mark or slogan "LindowsOS". That's good to hear because, like you, we are working hard to innovate and offer consumers a choice of novel and resourceful products.

I look forward to meeting with you to discuss the outcomes which work for both sides. It is my sincere interest to focus on delivering a unique product and not to get dragged into a lengthy court battle, so there is no need for any lawyers to meet with us.

Unfortunately, because you filed your complaint one business day before Christmas and have demanded a response in the shortest possible legal time frame (hearing set for January 11, 2002), we do not have much time to discuss this matter. Therefore, I would like to request that you continue the hearing on the preliminary injunction so that we could resolve this issue before we get bogged down in a quagmire of litigation.

I look forward to speaking with you as soon as possible.
Very truly yours,

Michael Robertson
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Lindows.com, Inc.

cc: Steve Ballmer, CEO

How we know it is a fake: (-1, Troll)

brad3378 (155304) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786041)

&gt like you, we are working hard to innovate and offer consumers a choice of novel and resourceful products.

Nice way to build up his ego!
ha ha ha!

Re:How we know it is a fake: (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2786149)

Why is this a troll you fuckwit moderator? Fuck me, /. is just fucking full of fucking fuck-wits these days, I don't know why I fucking bother coming here...

Re:the text of the letter to Bill Gates (2)

cgenman (325138) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786109)

It should be a validation of the power of linux that the letter (so far) survived /.ing. Even the images are still up. Why do people still think they need IIS?

(of course, they *should* be running IIS under Lindows...)

Summary of the Letter (5, Funny)

Fatal0E (230910) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785946)

Dear Bill,

Why didnt you talk to us before you sued? Either way we'll keep doing what we're doing till someone in the court tells us to stop.

Have a nice day.

This sounds like a fricking joke. (2, Troll)

b0r0din (304712) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785947)

Is Michael Robertson truly e-mailing bill gates and Ccing Steve Ballmer? It looks like a fricking joke, wouldn't you not e-mail the person suing you and instead deal with the issue in court?

Also, Lindows screenshots look surprisingly good, apparently it runs IE and MS Word, something no Linux GUI has yet been able to do to my knowledge (Lotus Notes runs on linux), this looks like a big-time scam if you ask me. I think either Mr. Robertson has lost his mind or their marketing department is pulling a 'Daikatana.'

Re:This sounds like a fricking joke. (3, Funny)

mizhi (186984) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785987)

"Also, Lindows screenshots look surprisingly good, apparently it runs IE and MS Word, something no Linux GUI has yet been able to do to my knowledge"

Oftentimes Windows barely manages to run them itself!

Re:This sounds like a fricking joke. (0)

TommyBear (317561) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786014)

Does this seem like much of a suprise if the OS is running WINE. WINE can run IE and Office Apps. WineX can run DirectX games and new games like Return to Castle Wolfenstein...

Re:This sounds like a fricking joke. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2786027)

When going up against legal giants like Microsoft, it might be wise to try alternative means to resolve the dispute. Court is expensive, and MS has the money to throw around. Lindows might not.

At the very least, Lindows can provide evidence that they tried to resolve the issue before it went to the courts. Perhaps they'll get an understanding judge.

Yeah. And perhaps Bill Gates can build a snowman in hell.

Re:This sounds like a fricking joke. (2, Insightful)

Y B MCSE (469234) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786069)


I hate to sound like a puny/pathetic wimp but...If I read in the paper that Bill Gates and M$ corporation were suing me and also read that he wanted to settle voluntarily out of court. I would be volunteering by ALL available means to stay out of his court (even ifthey are not bought, the playing field could NOT be level). I think the letter sounded like a very professional way of saying what one /.er summarized it as We will keep doing what we are doing until the court tells us to stop.

Have a nice day

I wish them well with their... whatever it is that their goals are.

hypocrisy in action (2, Interesting)

posmon (516207) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785951)

and don't you just love the ms bashing comments in the email on the outlook screenshot. if you're going for the microsoft-without-the-schnide-competitive-streak schtick then you've lost it already.

Why Slashdot Sucks (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2785956)

I work with a bunch of geeks. And that's okay. They do their thing and I do mine. Most of the time I'm happy for them, that they get joy and happiness out of playing with electronics. Admittedly I disagree with a lot of their thoughts about life. People used to believe that the Earth was the center of the universe, then it was the sun, but now we all know that the computer is the focal point of the universe, projecting its cathode ray goodness on our souls. You can't eat, sleep, breathe, live or run a business without one, or so we're told.

But if there's one thing I have no tolerance for, it's the geek phenomenon known as slashdot.org, the sorriest case for content on the web I've ever seen pawned off and gleefully accepted by the masses.

When I look at magazines, newspapers, or any other source of information, I judge them on three items: usefulness/uniqueness of content, quality of that content, and the depth of coverage regarding that content.

Slashdot has none of these things. And yet people try to convince me that the people who run that website are working hard at it.

Say what?

That's right - when Andover.net filed its IPO, making the editors of Slashdot instant wannabe millionaires, someone in the office said "Those guys put in a lot of hard work, and they deserve the success."

Now, I write code for a living, and I work hard at it, so I have a good idea of how slashdot operates. I guarantee you that the entire website is little more than leftover code from college projects and other unrelated work. At the very best, it is ill-conceived and poorly developed, which explains in part why the interface is so miserably awful, and the site is unbelievably slow.

Let's theorize what goes on in the average day of the slashdot editors:

10:42 AM - get out of bed.
10:45 AM - first Dr Pepper of the day.
10:46 AM - unglue keyboard from desk, check stock market.
10:56 AM - find a few interesting tech stories on the web. This is easy, since users send them to us all the time.
11:04 AM - post said stories to slashdot, disregarding spelling and journalistic impartiality.
11:08 AM - start playing Quake 3 (or whatever the game of the moment is).
3:15 AM - go to sleep.

If I'm wrong about anything, it's that they get up even later than that. And I couldn't figure out what time that order the pizza for dinner. But they have pepperoni on them.

Content - The content of slashdot is, admittedly, targeted towards geeks. But apparently not very smart ones. Regardless of the target audience, the content is never challenging - it never pushes the reader to think. Have we become a society where the last place you really exercise your brain is in grammar school? The average news article on slashdot is little more than a snippet from some tech rag about a new product that everyone loves, usually with an editorial comment tossed in telling everyone how they should feel about it.

I can get that same crap anywhere else. The TV tells me what to think, newspapers and magazines back them up, and slashdot does the same exact thing and is somehow worshipped as a haven for free thinking.

Quality - Why not try out that spellchecker? One word for you slashdot folks: dictionary. Try one on for size. Work on your spelling and grammar, and once those improve I'll attack the quality of your writing.

Consider this - Jon Katz is the best writer on slashdot. If you're familiar with his work, then you might appreciate that, or you might realize how lousy the writing must be if that's the case.

Katz has written some decent articles for slashdot (In particular, his Hellmouth series). But he's too wrapped up in the medium to see what he writes about. He's too busy dropping buzzwords that define his writing more than his actual content.

But the truly amazing thing about him is - almost everyone who reads slashdot hates Katz. They loathe him. The self-proclaimed geeks who read slashdot don't want to be challenged by his writing. There are people who attack every article he writes, regardless of the content.

Depth - unless its the updated release schedule for the new linux kernel or a new game, you're not going to get much repeat coverage on slashdot. And you're not likely to extract much from an article unless you already knew a certain amount of information about the topic. Once again, the exception might be Katz, who writes multi-part articles, but mostly that's because he's a hopeless wheezebag.

The thing that really scares me is that all sorts of little slashdots are popping up all over the web, popular sources of sludge pawned off on the accepting readers, and we readily accept is all as verse. Is this what 200 years of the Industrial Revolution primed us for? 50 years of television? Or was it something else? In my short lifetime I've watched the quality of information sources decline to a point where coverage is simplistic enough that it could be fictionalized and no one would notice the difference. While people ignore the WTO or slaughters in Burundi, Angola, Cambodia, anywhere else to devote coverage to wonder drugs, the newest Internet craze, the Hollywood minute, or any other sort of "News you can use."

And now, in a time when information should be even more readily available, so much of it is crap that finding the gems is rarely worth the shit you need to shovel. The sort of crap you find at slashdot instead of insightful knowledge about this increasingly impersonal, computerized world that we all blithely accept and even embrace.

And that is why slashdot sucks. That website isn't encouraging any free thought, any independent thinking, and certainly not any dissenting viewpoints on the information age. And we all accept it, even 'credible' websites like Wired frequently link to slashdot as their source of expert information and news updates.

If you're not directly connected to the information you want, you're not likely to find anything of depth nowadays. And if you have that sort of connection, then why do you need the web in the first place?

As if cars, skyscrapers, television, mini malls, supermarkets, drugs, war, and McRainForest (brought to you by the Big Mac!) weren't enough, now we have to venture out on the web with millions of other people, and not once challenge out horizons or open our minds.

Willow John

Re:Why Slashdot Sucks (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2785990)

So you read slashdot and pay so much attention to it because...?

(posting anonymously because you did)

Re:Why Slashdot Sucks (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2786032)

i didn't write this, though I was I did. It is one of the most accurate critiques of slashdot.

Here is the original. [journ.com]

I only come for the trolls and crapfloods.

Re:Why Slashdot Sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2786137)

i didn't write this, though I was I did.


Two typos in one sentence... you're right, slashdot *does* suck. :-p

what is it? (1)

Will Collins (531652) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785959)

to me it looks pointless.
u either use windows or linux. simple as that.
who needs something that does both, poorly?
Will

MAC OS X??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2786058)

Kind of reminds me of OS X for Mac...

Mirrors, mirrors... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2785961)

Anyone?

Hmm...it also violates the GPL (-1)

Husaria (262766) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785965)

Since it is based on the Linux kernel, and you can only get it by paying 99 bucks, would it not be violating the GPL?

Screenshots of Outlook (3, Funny)

mizhi (186984) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785967)

Looking at those screenshots of outlook running...

Oh joy! Here I was, reading my email in linux and feeling all left out when one of those little email worms hit and my friends using outlook were panicking! Now I'll be able to join in on the fun...

Assuming that's not just windows with a few GUI mods. :-)

Screenshot links... (2, Informative)

labratuk (204918) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785969)

Here are direct links to the screenshots for those of us who don't have javascript:


Screenshot 1 [lindows.com]

Screenshot 2 [lindows.com]


God, I'm going to get so many 'foes' doing this. I'm simply doing this because I would have found it very useful.

It must be Friday during lunch.... (0, Offtopic)

DrJohnnie (93092) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785971)

The site is slashdotted with in minutes, any mirrors?

I like the screenshots (1)

Bistronaut (267467) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785974)

IE and MS Office running in a Linux-based environment! Evil? Probably. Capable of breaking the MS OS Monopoly? Maybe! (We can dream, can't we?) One thing is for sure, it sure looks pretty.

I liked his letter as well. Savvy? Yes. Patronizing? Who can say?

Re:I like the screenshots (-1, Offtopic)

Cheesy Fool (530943) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786003)

It looks like shit.

Screenshots look like a hoax (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2786020)

Supposedly both IE and MS Office are running natively. However if you look at the font used in the menu bars they are different. Infact there seems to be 3 different fonts for the menu bar, for each window!

STOP WITH THE HOAX CRAP ALREADY! (0)

TommyBear (317561) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786050)

This is just Linux running a theme, with WINE running the apps. They are not running natively... this is KDE... get it? Got it? GOOOOOOOD!

hey (2, Interesting)

Zephy (539060) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785978)

can anyone say, KDE? Looks unfinished..

..I think we just Slashdotted their server (1, Troll)

eples (239989) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785979)


..not exactly a resounding endorsement for their OS.
Of course, NetCraft reports it as [netcraft.com] NT4 w/ Apache.

Re:..I think we just Slashdotted their server (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2786037)

That's odd. They must have just changed because it says Linux on your link.

Re:..I think we just Slashdotted their server (1)

eples (239989) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786060)

oops. You are correct.
I read that totally wrong.
It is linux. Well hey - at least it didn't say "Lindows"!

Re:..I think we just Slashdotted their server (1)

CTho9305 (264265) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786046)

The site www.lindows.com is running Apache/1.3.20 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.8.4 OpenSSL/0.9.6b PHP/4.0.6 on Linux.

try again. they may be load balancing or doing something else funky.

Re:..I think we just Slashdotted their server (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2786062)

Somebody mod him down. He is trolling. They may have used NT4 sometime in their past but they have been using Linux since November. Don't the moderators click the links before modding.

Dumbasses.

Yeah, mod that back down.. sorry (1)

eples (239989) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786093)


Yes, please mod it back down.
It was my mistake - I thought I saw something I didn't.

Re:..I think we just Slashdotted their server (2)

rabtech (223758) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786138)

Although it is fun to point at the particular webserver you don't like and laugh, the truth is that in 95% of the cases, a "slashdotting" is simply an overload of the site's available bandwidth.

I can have 16 Windows 2000 servers running a well tuned IIS 5 application, but if they are all on a 10Mbps link trying to serve up 250k in images/pages to every visitor, slashdotting here I come!

Similarly 16 Linux systems with Apache doing the same thing on the same line will also be slashdotted.

So I encourage everyone to laugh at the trolls just as I do when they point out slashdotted servers. Just remember its all about bandwidth (usually.)

Re:..I think we just Slashdotted their server (0)

rzbx (236929) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786146)

Actually it is Apache on Linux, it looks like they used to run NT.

i don't get it (2, Insightful)

rebug (520669) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785980)

An OS's design influences how its native applications behave. Port a Windows app over to the Mac, and people will bitch like crazy. It just doesn't fit. Similarly, a windows app runninng on a linux box just has a fonky feel to it.

Windows apps are what makes windows what it is, and vice versa. If you want to run windows apps, run windows or an emulator.

Re:i don't get it (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2786133)

I get it. I have a couple of linux boxen and my beloved mac. And as much as it pains me to say it MS makes the best browser on the market available to mac users. And their office suite is not only the standard, but is clearly the best available (and I am talking about the usablity, not security, flame elsewhere). You don't see bitchin.

The Benefits? (2, Insightful)

clump (60191) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785983)

I do not see the benefits that this Linux-derived OS can bring, other than a little more publicity to our corner. Scott of Loki said that people who use Linux do so for the benefits Linux brings, and I agree.

Im not sure that the world needs/wants a better Windows than Windows. I don't need to remind anyone of the success of *all* previous endeavours to accomplish the same feat.

And the point would be... (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2785991)

...Very nice. It runs Windows and Linux applications. Fantastic.

And exactly WHICH *Linux* applications would I WANT to run?!?

So let's see... I'll pay my $199 for Lindows. I'm cool, I can throw in Max Payne at the same time as The Gimp without using VMWare (which rules by the way, but I digress).

But since I'll be using IE, Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Notes, Outlook, etc. all the time, and since they run natively under Windows, what was the point exactly of going with Lindows in the first place?

My point? This does NOTHING to fix the single biggest problem with Linux (aside from it being too damned hard, even for someone with 20 years in the computer field!)... NO COMPELLING APPS!

Why buy this, go through whatever trouble it may or may not be to set up, when Windows does nicely?

Linux zealots are pissed because with the release of Win2K, MS actually has a stable, robust OS (I've heard XP is even better, I haven't taken that plunge yet).

Linux is grasping for straws, this product proves it. It also proves that there are a lot of talented people working on Linux, this is no small feat to have accomplished (assuming it's not vaporware of course). So you guys should do what you do very well, and that's keep pushing on the server side, where user-friendliness doesn't matter as much, where complexity isn't automatically a bad thing. Rule the data center boys, but stop wasting your time trying to steal the desktop from MS.

You can't win, and they actually do it very well nowadays!

Re:And the point would be... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2786114)

aside from it being too damned hard, even for someone with 20 years in the computer field!)...

you have got to be kidding me. in the computer field as WHAT? I've been in it for 19 years starting in 1983 with a TI-994a, then to a Coco, then C64 then IBM/PC. I've used every OS other than VMS. and I find linux very easy. Hell it's 100% easier than Xeinx was back in 1989 and still is easier than any implimentation of DOS ever to exist. The only GUI I though was better than anything even with today's offerings is GEOS (BeOS is pretty damned close) and windows was a horrible abortion from DAy one... (Version 2 - 3.51 were horrible hacks)

sorry you have 0 years of expierience in the Computer industry... unless you count it like those trade schools do.... you ran a cash register? that's expierience with electronics and computers!

Your comment above is proofe that you know nothing and are a blatent liar.

Re:And the point would be... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2786121)

Linux is grasping for straws

You do realize that Linux is neither a person or a company, right? Just a friendly note: when you say things like this you sound like some 12-year-old who just heard of Linux last week.

Wind up merchants (2)

bfree (113420) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785992)

That's good to hear because, like you, we are working hard to innovate and offer consumers a choice of novel and resourceful products.

I hope these guys are just taking MS for a ride and have a nice strategy worked out to waste (m|b)illions of MS$ in court. The above comment certainly got me a pair of wet trousers :-)

This is one bad dude! (5, Funny)

MicroBerto (91055) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785993)

Lindows.com, Inc. was started by Michael Robertson, founder and former CEO of MP3.com.
This guy just can't keep himself out of trouble, can he?

Linux+Wine=LindowsOS (3, Interesting)

msolnik (536110) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785996)

If anything all this is - is some very good Wine work. I very much doubt in the time LindowsOS has been in development they have been able to write a windows compatbiltiy layer or something like it. I would like the commend the Wine people out there they are doing a great job and should keep up the great work. But as for LindowsOS this looks like a ploy to try to get Linux Newbies to switch over because it has some fancy styling and Wine installed. IF they can prove by randomly installing any windows based software that there setup works then I might become a beleaver until then im sticking with my Debian.

Re:Linux+Wine=LindowsOS (3, Insightful)

TheSHAD0W (258774) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786095)

> this looks like a ploy to try to get Linux Newbies
> to switch over because it has some fancy styling
> and Wine installed.

And this is such a bad thing? Linux could use a bigger user base. And a nice, standard distribution where the rest of the OS is tuned to WINE's operation is attractive to people dependent on Win32 apps.

Bidbay anyone? (1)

Ryan_Terry (444764) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785997)

This reminds me of the BidBay [bidbay.com] and E-Bay [ebay.com] Lawsuit. In this case, unlike the ebay case, I disagree with the agressor. In the case of bidbay they blatently went after the ebay look and feel and in my opinion delibrately confused many people. Lindows has never tried to claim that they are a microsoft product, and just looking at what we've seen thus far they haver done a good job of keeping the line between Microsoft and Lindows black as night.

Mirror (2)

kawaichan (527006) | more than 12 years ago | (#2785998)

Here is a mirror of the screenshots.

Screenshot 1 [home.com]

Screenshot 1 [home.com]

@home error (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2786009)

It says the page is not in service.

Re:Mirror (5, Informative)

kawaichan (527006) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786035)

Damn it, I forgot the new address after the @home shakout...

Again, here is a mirror of the screenshots.

Screenshot 1 [rogers.com]

Screenshot 2 [rogers.com]

Impressive looking, but I'm skeptical. (1)

mshiltonj (220311) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786000)

Those screenshotd look pretty impressive. So impressive, in fact, I'm that skeptical, suspecting they might be mockups. If they are that far along, why don't they have betas anywhere?

The site is slashdotted now. Has anyone seen any pricing info on the product? They're calling it "affordable" on the home page. Are they contributing code back to GPL like Ximian?

Would be great.... (1)

JMZero (449047) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786010)

A cheap replacement for Windows would be great for us - could use it on tons of our secretarial machines if it really does run Word.

The problem is not that it wouldn't be great - the problem is that I'll bet it won't actually run Word.

Nice but sales talk put me off (1)

Juggler cant juggle (43563) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786015)

Nice idea but you have to wade through a load of sales blurb just to find out what the whole idea of the project is that I already don't trust the project - the FAQ just gave me the impression of people trying to out corporate-speak each other.

With too much of that kind of talk are people likely to step back and think that Lindows are too much like Microsoft?

Microsoft and the lawsuit (2)

davmct (195217) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786016)

Microsoft isn't trying to sue them to stop them from making their product. MS is suing to stop them from using their name "Lindows" which is a blatant rip-off of Windows. In order for MS to protect their IP, they have to defend their property from being diluted. I imagine if Lindows changed their name to Lindoors there wouldn't be a lawsuit. (of course maybe the chocolate company by the name Lindor might sue them :)
Anyway, what they are doing is perfectly legal. They're trying to make a business of that teeny segment of people that might in the slight chance want to run windows and linux on one platform.

are you sure about this (1)

posmon (516207) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786025)

from letter:

Needless to say, the lawsuit came as a complete surprise.

oh really?

Why LindowsOS will inevitably fail... (5, Insightful)

cscx (541332) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786026)

It's simple. Here's some food for thought:

"How much will LindowsOS cost? For $99 users can obtain LindowsOS along with the promise that Lindows.com will work hard to give consumers real value. Your satisfaction, is always assured, since all Lindows.com products come with a money-back, satisfaction guarantee. Creating a compatible, stable, easy-to-use OS isn't an easy job, and Lindows.com is committed to remain in this market for many years to come. This fee will help Lindows.com continue to provide support and future updates to LindowsOS."

They're charging $99 for this. How ridiculous. OEM versions of Genunie Windows cost about the same... and they are guaranteed to work with _all_ Windows software. This is like saying, "Well, a could get a Genuine Mac built by Apple, or I could get a clone for the same price." That's absurd.

"At the core of Lindows.com is a new operating system called LindowsOSTM, a modern, affordable, easy-to-use operating system with the ability to run both Windows® and Linux® software."

Revolutionary new OS called LindowsOS? Really. Kinda looks like a skinned version of KDE running atop Linux to me. Maybe they'll mask the bootup console output with a nice graphic. This is completely ridiculous for two reasons: 1) It costs about the same amount as Windows, which is guaranteed to run all Windows apps. 2) Linux is free. It's used (mostly) by programmers for things that suit their needs. Last time I checked $99 + $0 = $99. So... use Genuine Windows to run Windows apps... and boot into Linux to use Linux apps. If you're a die-hard Linux user, there's WINE anyway (which I think is what this is based on). If you're a die-hard Windows user, boot into Linux when you have to. End of story.

Re:Why LindowsOS will inevitably fail... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2786074)

But making it look like windows (even if it is just linux + skinned KDE) will help get users accustomed to using linux. In business environments, for example, people can't handle changes. This would make the new environment feel more familiar.

Re:Why LindowsOS will inevitably fail... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2786134)

Whoever modded this as Troll is on crack. He is right on.

Windows like...... (1)

Kenja (541830) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786031)

So lets see if I can follow this. They made a Linux distro and designed it to look as much like Windows as they could. Then they claim that they did it in such a way as to not cause consumer confusion. Say what? As far as I can tell they set out to cause confusion. How can they claim with a stright face that they didn't expect Microsoft to object?

So it looks like Windows and runs Windows programs, but it cant (acording to the Lindows people) be confused with Windows.

/. effect. (2)

ImaLamer (260199) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786047)

Those are awful big screen shots to be used when trying to get /.ed

Although... they do run IIS on this LindowsOS [joke]

they do have a preview releases out (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2786053)

I have joined their "insider program" in which you can download and install the preview release. Guess what? It does work pretty good.

I love it how some of you /. people just go off on your little trips...

I doubt this is windows in disguise (5, Insightful)

Freija Crescent (452135) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786064)

I agree, there is a credibility issue. The fact that these people claim to be doing in almost no time what has taken wine several years. Lets analyze the situation...

Case 1) Lindows is actually Windows2000,XP, etc with vmware or the like running linux on demand.

Case 2) Lindows is actually Windows2000,XP, etc with a custom linux emulator that runs apps on demand, seamlessly.

Case 3) Lindows is Linux running VMware for a Windows desktop.

Case 4) Lindows is Linux running CodeWeaver's Wine to launch windows apps on demand.

Case 5) Lindows is Linux running a new windows emulator or API that we haven't previously heard of.

Case 6) Lindows is a new OS, that is both windows and linux and runs elf and exe executables natively.

Case 7) Lindows is a hoax.

Now the breakdown.

Cases 1 and 2 are absurd. They would have reason to fear microsoft if they are just renaming and reselling Microsoft's product. However these solutions give the ultimate in Windows software compatibility (Joe Sixpack translation : my games will run really smoothly).

Case 3 is possible, but apps would run slowly, no OpenGL support, games would be lousy on VMware. Best chance of Software compatibility. Plus they have to license VMWare.. And why not just go with a known good linux distro and do this. The product would offer no market distinction.

Case 4 is possible. Games would run better than on VMWare with OpenGL and DirectX support. Some apps would be broken though. Once again, this is no different that what could be done with SuSE, debian, mandrake, slackware, etc...

Case 5 is possible though unlikely. I'm sure there would be some leakage of information if a superior wine had been brewing for the last couple of years.

Case 6 .. ..... ROFLMAO

Case 7 is certainly possible. I'll not be the fool and discredit the claims that they are making on their website.

My guess is that Case 7 is correct, and Case 5 is a close second. Case 1 is possible if the company had the balls and stupidity to repackage and resell a Microsoft product.

-fc
.

Scary Address (5, Funny)

YeeHaW_Jelte (451855) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786070)

Mr. Bill Gates
Chairman, Board of Directors
Microsoft Corporation
One Microsoft Way
Redmond, WA 98052


Is that line under Microsoft Corporation the address or Microsoft's motto?

Re:Scary Address (3, Funny)

rebug (520669) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786100)

I like Apple's Cupertino address

1 Infinite Loop

just sounds cool

ahhh, the screen shots (5, Funny)

liquidsin (398151) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786073)

I hit the screenshot link and got "file not found". A blank screen that does nothing? Looks just like Windows ME!!!! Good job guys!!!

Zing!

Anyone else? (-1)

Husaria (262766) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786077)

anyone else notice that in the screenshot that Windows' errors are pointed out in the email>

Lindows (-1, Funny)

BankofAmerica_ATM (537813) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786083)

The Freshmaker!

Copyright Violation anyone? (0)

cscx (541332) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786088)

Notice the Windows Explorer icon in the KDE "Start" Menu. Windows' Explorer.EXE only comes with WINDOWS. IOW, you need a licensed version of Windows to legally get a copy of explorer.exe. This seems a bit fishy to me... seems too good to be true. There's something they're not telling us.

Perhaps if it didnt have any bloody ugly icons (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2786117)

it would look nice

Software freedom (0, Insightful)

ShecoDu (447850) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786120)

It's just another attempt from microsoft to sue everything that moves.

Software tech. can't improve this way, there's got to be some freedom.

Re:Software freedom (1)

Schwamm (513960) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786129)

It's not so much a complaint about software technology as a complaint about a trademarked product name.

Might have a point.. (2, Insightful)

Steevil (79504) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786125)

I know Windows is an absurdly generic name for a windows based operating system and I doubt there will be any confusion, but you have to admit, Lindows would be a bizarre name for an operating system if we weren't so familiar with the Windows OS.

Watch my karma get mauled for not completely siding with Linux... : )

Why no Linux apps? (2, Insightful)

Fluffy the Cat (29157) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786127)

The website claims that Lindows will allow the running of both Linux and Windows apps. Why do the screenshots only show Windows ones? There's no demonstration of any sort of interoperability whatsoever.

When will marketing stop being the driver? (2)

f00zbll (526151) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786132)

Oops, I forgot that's what makes the industry go round. Back to reality and put idealism back in the toilet.

For what it's worth (1)

eples (239989) | more than 12 years ago | (#2786141)


I locked in my first software development internship by telling the CIO:
  • "I want to [someday] build a Windows compatible operating system."
During the interview I didn't know he was the CIO but I got the job.
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