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First Official CD Release of FreeBSD

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the since-1994 dept.

BSD 205

Chris Coleman writes: "Daemon News is pleased to announce the availability of pre-orders for FreeBSD 4.5. This will be our first release of FreeBSD on CD. We will be using the official FreeBSD 4.5 ISOs created by the FreeBSD project. The expected release date for FreeBSD 4.5 is January 20th. We expect to have CDs available two weeks after that. We are taking pre-orders at this time to help gauge the number of CDs we will need to produce. You can pre-order CDs here. CD subscriptions are available here. Vendor pricing will be handled through cylogistics.com."

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first dead penis bird (-1)

neal n bob (531011) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809209)

suck it down boys!

Wrong! (-1)

TrollMan 5000 (454685) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809362)

This is the first Dead Penis Bird [slashdot.org] !

Get it right next time asshole!

Re:Wrong! (-1)

Tasty Beef Jerky (543576) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809433)

Slow Down Cowboy!

I think he was implying that he got the first Dead Penis Bird [slashdot.org] post in this article. And it happened to be first post as well. Nobody can take away the honor that Dead Penis Bird [slashdot.org] has as the first Dead Penis Bird [slashdot.org] on Slashdot.

Mad propz to Dead Penis Bird [slashdot.org] , Trollman 5000 [slashdot.org] , The Turd Report [slashdot.org] , Fecal Troll Matter [slashdot.org] , WIPO Troll [slashdot.org] , Egg Troll [slashdot.org] , and all the other honorable crapflooders/trolls out there.

We who have just begun salute you.

Copyright (1)

JohnHegarty (453016) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809224)

Do I miss-understand , or can any produce these cd's and charge a "reasonable" free for them ?

Re:Copyright (0)

le_machin (458500) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809239)

It's a BSD licence, if I'm right, you can call this "Door XP" and sell it a hundred dollars, as
soon as you say who really did the job.

le_machin

Re:Copyright (2)

bfree (113420) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809281)

Well seeing as though you can find 4.4 on cheapbytes [cheapbytes.com] I'd be quite sure anyone could sell them. I guess the idea is that these are Official CDs from the originators and hence spending the extra $27.01 will get you the happy feeling of knowing you have substantially supported the FreeBSD project.

Re:Copyright (1)

tenman (247215) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809613)

agree. People are much likely to donate money when you give them a token for their donation. Offering a 'something' for a donation, even when that 'something' is cheeper somewhere else, people are more willing to open their pockets. I give to PBS all the time, but I'm more when they offer me a 'free' PBS coffee mug or tee shirt.

Re:Copyright (3, Insightful)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809561)

Do I miss-understand, or can any produce these cd's and charge a "reasonable" free for them ?

I believe that is how it works. But IANAL [smile]

Even so, I intend to pre-order and pay these guys for at least one set of CDs, if not more. Just to reward them for doing the work and doing a good job.

They deserve it.

needn't be reasonable (2)

hawk (1151) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809791)

It's fully free, not GPL. YOu can give it away, turn it proprietary, charge an outrageous price, use it to plan a nuclear attack on Australia, or to engage in the violent overthrow of the government. About the only thing you *can't* do is remove the copyright when you place it under the GPL :)


hawk

Incorrect (1)

BasharTeg (71923) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810017)

You cannot resell the CDs they are releasing. Their CDROM ISO image is copyrighted. Not the software on it, but the CD image. You can however, make your own ISO image with the software, and resell it.

Re:Incorrect (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2810176)

That's OpenBSD, fucknut. These are the same CDs as the ISOs that you can download for free from ftp.freebsd.org and do whatever the hell you wish with. Would someone moderate this chump down? (Score:-1, Retard)

I'm a dick!!! (-1)

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this is nice (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Pancake (458864) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809226)

it's good to see bsd getting with the times and being released on cd. Although ms-windows has had a 6 year head start with the cd-format I'm sure bsd will be able to compete.

Re:this is nice (4, Informative)

Snowfox (34467) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809275)

it's good to see bsd getting with the times and being released on cd. Although ms-windows has had a 6 year head start with the cd-format I'm sure bsd will be able to compete.

I normally don't respond to trolls, but what the hell.

I believe the story is supposed to be "First official FreeBSD 4.5 CDs." Walnut Creek had been supporting FreeBSD development and creating CDs forever. I think FreeBSD CDs may even predate Windows CDs.

Re:this is nice (2, Funny)

javilon (99157) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809488)

" I think FreeBSD CDs may even predate Windows CDs"

Do you mean that Windows CDs could eat FreeBSD CDs? That would give a new meaning to market competition!

Re:this is nice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2809755)

If you are going to make a joke about predatory behavior, get your grammar right. We all know about M$ predatory behavior. However, in this sentence, "FreeBSD CDs may even predate Windows CDs", "FreeBSD CDs" is the subject and Windows CDs the object of "predate". This would indicate that Windows CDs are the consumables and FreeBSD CDs are atop the food chain.

Re:this is nice (0)

Anonymous Pancake (458864) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809794)

Never expect people on slashdot to use correct grammer or spelling! Look at cmdrtaco, he runs a very popular web log site and doesn't even take the time to check what he posts on it. If the person in charge of the site obviously doesn't care about his spelling (aswell as not fixing stupid bugs in his code such as the one that lets people page lenghthen)then don't expect the posters who kiss his royal behind to care too much either.

This is a load of marketing garbage (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2810065)

I got an "Official" FreeBSD-2.2.2 CD set sitting on my shelf. That goes way back to '97. It may be the first "official" cd set since the latest corporate shuffle, but it certainly isn't the "first" official CD set ever produced.

Too bad... (-1)

SlaveTroll (535702) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809236)

*BSD is dying
Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when last month IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by falling dead last [goatse.cx] in the recent Kreskin test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [slashdot.org] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSDis the most endangered of them all.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. Arecent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek,abysmal sales and so on,FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled *BSD. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is survive at all it will be among *BSD hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

*BSD is dying

Re:Too bad... (1)

le_machin (458500) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809252)

You forgot MacOSX !!!

le_machin

Re:Too bad... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2809259)

For once, a troll that is on topic. Too bad it wasn't an fp tho.

:-)

Plenty of trolls are on-topic! (-1)

coed.jpg (538272) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809641)

Plenty of trolls are on-topic. For example, this classic morsel [slashdot.org] , or this eloquent masterpiece! [slashdot.org]

In fact, I remember the first time I, myself, was released officially on CD. I was one of the frontrunning products featuring "Multimedia PC" technology. Oh, the hours I've spent staring at 7th-graders jacking off to my luscious tits rendered in 256 colors on a 14" display.

Those were the glory days of net porn, before banner ads caught on, before pop-up windows interrupted masturbation, before high-bandwidth enabled pimply pornomaniacs to crowd the newsgroups with endless reposts of my succulent form. I was appreciated, even respected. A milestone in online pornography, along with grainyblowjob.mov (which debuted on a Macintosh Plus) and of course Generic Made-With-Macromedia 8-bit Strip Poker.

Here's to the good old days!

Re:Plenty of trolls are on-topic! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2809949)

This is Gizzmonic saying you are filled with filth...and probably gaining fans by the minute.

yay. (0, Offtopic)

lnxslak (524709) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809245)

woo no more isos. now even people with dialup can use FreeBSD, lol j/k ;) I think this is a great step in further justifying a great O/S which i use regularly.

lnkslak.

Re:yay. (1)

jhines (82154) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809324)

I first started using FreeBSD because the machine I had to run it on had only a floppy drive, and freeBSD came in disc sized chunks.

Now that I'm online, I just download the two floppy set, and boot that, and install over the wire. Much more efficent than sucking down ISO's and burning them.

While CD's and ISO's are nice in their way, the other install options of FreeBSD really shine.

Pre-Ordering is stupid... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2809255)

Why do people bother to pre-order anything? When its ready to ship, let me know - I'll buy it then.

Re:Pre-Ordering is stupid... (2, Informative)

-brazil- (111867) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809311)

If you know you want is ASAP, pre-ordering saves you some hassle, and you might get it significantly earlier in cases where the supply is scarce and pre-orders are served first. Additionally, pre-orders often get a discount. Finally, some special-interest products get made at all only after a large enough number of pre-orders guarantees that it will be profitable.

Wow! (-1)

TrollMan 5000 (454685) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809258)

And I thought *BSD was dying. Those nasty trolls sure were wrong!

*BSD is dying!!! (-1)

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support for Daemon News (1)

dr_apoc (317910) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809267)

I would love to support daemonnew and give them money for cd's but its hard to wait 2 weeks after a release.

Re:support for Daemon News (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2809348)

Maybe you could use the two weeks to try and get a life?

just the cd? (2, Interesting)

minusthink (218231) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809273)

I looked on the page, and didn't see anything about what comes for the 40 dollars.

Is it just the CD? Because I'd rather just donate 40 dollars and download the ISO when I can get it. (Which would seem to be less than 2 weeks after the release).

=\ /shrug

Re:just the cd? (2, Interesting)

whee (36911) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809315)

It says the standard 4 FreeBSD ISOS, so I'm assuming you get the following on CD (version 4.5 of course):

4.x-install.iso - 4.x ISO 9660 bootable (El Torrito) CDROM image.
4.x-disc2.iso - Live filesystem "Fix it" CD and CVS repository.
4.x-disc3.iso - Extra packages for FreeBSD 4.x
4.x-disc4.iso - Extra packages for FreeBSD 4.x

This probably includes ports, tons of documentation, and everything else that you'd expect from FreeBSD.

Re:just the cd? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2809318)

Uh...sure you'll donate $40...

Re:just the cd? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2809369)

just because you're a jerk doesn't mean everyone else is.

-minus

Re:just the cd? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2809715)

Just because I'm fucking REALISTIC. It's the prisoner's dilemma, and in situations like this everyone yapples on about how good they'll be, and how if they could tip artists directly for the MP3s they ripped off they would, etc, but the reality is that that's 100% bullshit: It always proves to be false. People say the shit thinking that they'll convince another sucker to do it, and therefore they've done their part (by getting another sucker to give up the dough).

Re:just the cd? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2810147)

Okay, I suppose you're right, I was just saying what I would do if I had 40 dollars that I had nothing to do with. Sorry about that.

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*BSD is dying (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2809274)

It's now official; Netcraft confirms: *BSD is dying

Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when recently IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dead

Who Cares? (-1)

CmderTaco (533794) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809283)

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great (1)

phyberop (535162) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809304)

its always nice to see other OS's hitting the shelves. anything that detracts from the space windows would be occuping.

What Timothy SHOULD have used as title .... (5, Informative)

Daeron (4056) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809307)

is that this is the First Official CD Release of FreeBSD by the DaemonNews Crew. FreeBSD by itself has been available on CD for as long as i can remember .... (at least back to the 2.2.x days).

Re:What Timothy SHOULD have used as title .... (1)

jlrobins_uncc (136569) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809936)

I have the FreeBSD 1.0 CD :-)

Yeah, but will it run Linux? (-1)

CmderTaco (533794) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809308)

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On CD now? (-1)

ringbarer (545020) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809310)

How quaint. Just a shame no-one's going to play with it really, is it?

I hear QNX is more popular these days.

Sigh. This submission is almost completely wrong. (4, Flamebait)

Palin Majere (4000) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809327)

FreeBSD has had "official" CD sellers for a damn long time. Just flip through freebsdmall [freebsdmall.com] 's history list and see how long they've been selling them for. Oh, and I hate to break it to you, but FreeBSD's been sold in chain-stores like CompUSA for quite a while too.

Now, had anybody (the original submitter, or the Slashdot staff) actually bothered to read this, they would've noticed that it said that this is Daemon News' first time carrying official FreeBSD CDs. Which isn't true either, based on the Daemon News online store, but hey. This is Slashdot. What do we care about actual fact?

I mean, geez. Come on, Slashdot staff, can't you actually take 30 seconds and read the @#$#ing article you're posting?

Re:Sigh. This submission is almost completely wron (4, Troll)

SirSlud (67381) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809370)

I think you're the one that read this wrong.

Daemon News is pleased to announce the availability of pre-orders for FreeBSD 4.5. This will be our first release of FreeBSD on CD.

our which means, their, which means Daemon News. So its Daemon News' first time offering 4.5 on CD. So yeah, it's not news, but the submission isn't wrong. What bothers me about the way things are going, submissions are turning more and more into (community-level, granted) ads.

Ah well.

Re:Sigh. This submission is almost completely wron (1)

rhizome (115711) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809957)

our which means, their, which means Daemon News. So its Daemon News' first time offering 4.5 on CD. So yeah, it's not news, but the submission isn't wrong. What bothers me about the way things are going, submissions are turning more and more into (community-level, granted) ads.

It's the difference between "First Official CD Release of FreeBSD" and "DaemonNews' First Official CD Release of FreeBSD". The former is news, the second is a press release. It's not "wrong", it's just kind of....yellow (cf. Hearst).

Not wrong. (2)

Baki (72515) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809383)

It is not wrong. It *is* the first release of Daemon News. Before they were sold by others, such as Walnut Creek etc.

Re:Not wrong. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2809549)

Oh, so not wrong. Just pointless noise
Thanks! :-)

First official cd set?? (0, Troll)

coolcast (230847) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809329)

I already have 'official' cd boxes with FreeBSD.. at least the back cover says "Berkeley Software Design, Inc." along with their address.
(for example, a CD with ISBN 1-57176-272-8)

So there's no news, I guess? I saw a loada new mico$oft hardware on other sites though.. -oh but we ignore them unless we can bad-mouth them, I guess.

How stupid is this? (-1, Flamebait)

Bowie J. Poag (16898) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809345)



Errr...gee, first release on CD..Great. Welcome to 1992, FreeBSD!

Can you imagine a Beowulf cluster of these? (-1)

CmderTaco (533794) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809347)

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Why not a support fee? (2, Interesting)

GdoL (460833) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809349)

There are already Cds with this. So why not create a way tosupport, wich should be reliable and tax deductible, for donate the money? It would be far less expensive, didn't had to have a hard logistics, only an account on some emonet stuff and a piece of paper for tax deductions!

It is easy to donate (2, Informative)

TheAlabamaKid (243687) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809782)

I just got this from the Free BSD site:
http://www.freebsd.org

Even if you're not a programmer, there are other ways to contribute to FreeBSD. The FreeBSD Foundation is a non-profit organization for which direct contributions are fully tax deductible. Please contact bod@FreeBSDFoundation.org for more information or write to: The FreeBSD Foundation, 7321 Brockway Dr. Boulder, CO. 80303. USA

Re:It is easy to donate (1)

GdoL (460833) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809880)

Can you find out if that is good for all the countrys, like frosty Canada and sunny Brazil? Or if they have branchs on other country so people can contribute and get his/hers tax deductions?

*BSD is dying (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2809375)

It is official; Netcraft confirms: *BSD is dying

Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when recently IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dead

Bernard Shifman is a Jew!!! (-1)

CmderTaco (533794) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809377)

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Time for the BSD fans to sing praise.... (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809384)

I have an extra 42 gigs of HD space (2 + 40) that I'd like to pop into a Pentium 200 system with 128 megs of RAM and run as a misc file/web/mp3 server. Coming from a Mandrake 8.1 environment, how well do you think I'd love FreeBSD?

Re:Time for the BSD fans to sing praise.... (1)

Requiem (12551) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809413)

FreeBSD is a nice, stable Unix. I haven't used it for any great length, but my impressions were that it's at least as good as Linux. I was quite happy with it.

Re:Time for the BSD fans to sing praise.... (1)

Maditude (473526) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809559)

Dunno how well you'd love FreeBSD (I think it's pretty swell), but I'll bet you are going to have problems getting a P200 motherboard to be able to handle a 40 GB disk.

Re:Time for the BSD fans to sing praise.... (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809659)

What if I get an ATA 66 card to handle the drive?

Re:Time for the BSD fans to sing praise.... (1)

Forrestina (120989) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810182)

well sure, but if all you've used is mandrake, my bet is you'll be lost. mandrake is a good newbie userfriendly start. freebsd is unix. there's a difference.

You would like it more than Mandrake. (-1)

AnonymousCowheard (239159) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810082)

Mandrake's current Linux release is verry unstable. I owned Mandrake 8 and myself and many other users have countless problems. Many of which have to do with compiling programs and running programs compiled by other people. Mandrake 8, I may add, is based on RedHat Linux 7, and so both have the same problems. RedHat and Mandrake chose a bad path for their company; they used some beta software and it is hurting people.

I provide tech support, in my free time, for the people at www.linuxquake.com/messageboard and 75% of the problems encountered on playing games are from users of Mandrake 8 and RedHat 7. If you want the most stable Linux environment, I suggest either Slackware Linux or SuSE Linux.

I recommend freeBSD to you because it is more stable than Linux in general, but I am a die-hard freedom fighter and Linux is what I chose of freeBSD simply because it is Free as in Beer. :) Have a nice day.

*BSD is dying (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2809399)

Now it's official; Netcraft had confirmed: *BSD is dying

Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when recently IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dead

Native Java ? (4, Interesting)

FauxPasIII (75900) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809405)

This release is supposed to be the first one to include out of the box, native support for Java [daemonnews.org] , right ? Does anyone know if they are still on track with that ?

Re:Native Java ? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2809452)

My understanding is this will be the first official release with native Java2 binaries (if the Java compatibility tests from Sun are successfully completed in time).

Native JDK1.1.8 has been available for as long as I have used FreeBSD. I have used the native 1.2.2 and 1.3.1 jdk's, but you have to build them from source and accept Sun's licensing agreement.

Re:Native Java ? (4, Informative)

Krellis (19116) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809814)

You are correct, Java support has been incorporated into the FreeBSD-STABLE source tree since briefly before the 4.5-PRERELEASE code freeze, and has been in testing since then. As far as I know it's working fine, and should be in 4.5-RELEASE without any worries. The FreeBSD Foundation [freebsdfoundation.org] worked with Sun to get this licensing taken care of.

so this is instead of BSDi ? (1, Offtopic)

johnjones (14274) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809416)

I have an ok knowledge of Unix's (the vendor supplied ones) my question is BSDi did that die in the hands of the wrs takeover or where did it come from ?

FreeBSD looks quite nice and I like the idea of the ports system

but what are its high's and lows ?

regards

john jones

Re:so this is instead of BSDi ? (1)

dinivin (444905) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809492)

(a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)

delta'ic or del'tic adj.

Word History: A Greek letter sits at the mouth of many rivers. Noticing the resemblance between the island formed by sediment at the mouth of a river such as the Nile and the triangular shape of their letter delta, the Greeks gave the name delta to such an island. English borrowed this sense from Greek, although the word delta appeared first in English as the name of the letter, in a work written possibly around 1200. The sense "alluvial deposit" is not recorded until 1555, when delta is used with reference to the Nile River delta.

So, I can't help but wonder what being a Greek letter has to do with bad spelling?

Dinivin

Re:so this is instead of BSDi ? (1)

deaddrunk (443038) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809573)

Possibly he means dyslexic, but you're not the first to wonder.

Re:so this is instead of BSDi ? (1)

dinivin (444905) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809644)

Ahh... That makes more sense. Thanks :-)

Dinivin

Re:so this is instead of BSDi ? (2, Informative)

nt2UNIX (16001) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809504)

BSDi is no more. When Wind River bought them they took the embedded stuff that BSDi was working on and hired a few FreeBSD programmers. Since the economy in the US has turned to crap, they fired all of the FreeBSD programmers.

I have been a FreeBSD CD purchaser for a long time, since the Walnut Creek FreeBSD 2.1 days. At that time part of the money for the CD's went back into the project. Since the Wind River take over, they have stopped putting money back in.

The guys over at Deamonnews have started publishing a magazine and started doing the CD subscriptions. They have said that they will put money back into the project. So I dropped by Wind River subscription and decided to put my money with these guys. I'm also a subscriber to the magazine and have been very happy with it also.

finally on CD! (0, Troll)

wardk (3037) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809431)

<sarcasm>
this is simply amazing, FreeBSD FINALLY on CD. Sure beats the 60+ floppy disk distribution I've been forced to use over the years.
</sarcasm>

Geez, who writes these bonehead headlines?

Re:finally on CD! (1)

buckeyeguy (525140) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809460)

Woohoo... now we can sweep up all the iron oxide that's falling off the 9-track tapes from the last big BSD wave ;)

Does the install work properly again ? (2, Informative)

MarkoNo5 (139955) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809461)

I've have enormous trouble installing 4.3 and 4.4 (and I'm not the only one). The base install goes fine as always, but when installing additional packages, the problems start. The first packages are installed at normal speed, but after a few minutes, it takes about 2 minutes/package, no matter how big or small it is. I've tried the cd, ftp install, it doesn't matter. Does anyone know whether or not that problem is fixed ?

Marko No. 5

Re:Does the install work properly again ? (1)

archen (447353) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809551)

Is this for every package? I've seen this myself on a package or two off of the cdrom (but not every one). If you are doing an install off of a cdrom, you might have a bad CD, or your cdrom is having problems reading it. I had huge problems installing off of a CDRW (where it would cough and spit out errors), but when I burned the iso to a CDR everything worked fine. Anyway, you might try burning a new cd.

Re:Does the install work properly again ? (1)

Krellis (19116) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809824)

FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE was, in my experience, badly broken in many and sundry ways. Maybe it worked better from CDs, but all the FTP installs I did were horrible. Additionally, there were some major problems with the TCP implementation that have now been fixed. I had a good experience with 4.1.1, 4.2, and 4.3, but 4.4 was a nightmare for me - I've been installing 4.4 and immediately upgrading to the -STABLE branch to avoid all the problems in the distribution.

Re:Does the install work properly again ? (0)

boltar (263391) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809903)

No. At least not on the 4.4 release I installed last month. Had exactly the same problem. In fact
it got so bad I just killed the installer after a while and installed the packages manually
at various times on and off over the next 2 weeks.

So what's "guaging?" (1, Funny)

KC7GR (473279) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809483)

It sounds vaguely naughty. Is it something one can do in public without getting arrested or heckled?

I think they meant to say 'gauging.' Simple (and easy-to-do) transposition.

wait... (1)

necrognome (236545) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809501)

But /. told me *BSD was dying!

Re:wait... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2810160)

it is my friend, just be patient
just because they put out a CD it does not mean anyone will actually use it

FreeBSD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2809502)

Yesterday I reformated ant re installed all of my Linus OS's, due to the Flash virus.

Today I am going to reformmatt and re install this new BDS OS on my beowulf cluster.

I do like the little "demaon" icon, he is cute, but dameons can also be very very scary, as they are in my favoritse Linus game, DOOM. I think the Free BDS deamon icon wouldnot try to attact me.

Can DOOM run on this new BDS OS?

I've always been curious... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2809503)

We are taking pre-orders...

How you order something before ordering it. :)

Re:I've always been curious... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2809581)

The same way you can patch something before having the patch, presumably.

Not quite accurate, this time (1)

absurd_spork (454513) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809509)

On my shelf next to me, there's an official FreeBSD 2.1.7 release cd, dating back to March 1997 [freebsd.org] . Makes me wonder whether they're introducing time travel as part of the 4.5 release. The release notes say nothing about that, however, and recent activity on the mailing lists doesn't mention time travel as well. It's probably some kind of secret.

*BSD is dying (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2809568)

Netcraft officially confirms: *BSD is dying

Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when recently IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dead

Re:*BSD is dying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2809646)

Is it me, or are the moderators on crack today? Is this troll any more funny today than it was the last 500 times they posted it? Please moderators, for fucks sake, lay off the cheap crack

Re:*BSD is dying (2, Funny)

fredbsd (311595) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809690)

It's funny. I have been able to moderate for some time now but I never did. Now when I want to, I don't have the ability. Go figure.

How can anyone in their right mind score this as "funny"?

I hate to be the bearer of bad news to this guy, but FreeBSD is far from dead. It lives on in Mac OS X (at least parts of it). Moreover, BSDi was purchased by Wind River (yes, that Wind River). They will eventually producte an embedded version of BSD.

Why can't people just get the facts straight?

I don't like to reply to flamebait/troll trash but this just got my goat.

Somebody better tell Apple or Yahoo! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2809778)

Poppycock!

Re:*BSD is dying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2809899)

What's a charnel house?

Yes, and also, don't forget ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2810189)

Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered horse community when last month Outdoor SA confirmed that horse-related activities account for less than 1 percent of all recreational activities in South Africa. Coming on the heels of the latest Outdoor SA survey which plainly states that horse-related activites have lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. the horse industry is collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing to attract more enthusiasts.

You don't need to be a Nostradumas to predict the horse industry's future. The hand writing is on the wall: the horse industry faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for the horse industry because the horse industry is dying. Things are looking very bad for the horse industry. As many of us are already aware, the horse industry continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. Vaulting is the most endangered of them all.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

Dressage leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of Dressage. How many users of Showjumping are there? Let's see. The number of Dressage versus Showjumping posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 Showjumping users. Vaulting posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of Showjumping posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of Vaulting. A recent article put the racing industry at about 80 percent of the horse market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 the racing industry users. This is consistent with the number of the racing industry Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles in the racing industry, abysmal sales and so on, the racing industry almost went out of business and had to get emergency sponsorships.

All major surveys show that the horse industry in South africa has steadily declined in market share. The horse industry in South Africa is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If the horse industry in South Africa is to survive at all it will be among horse fanatics and hobbyists. The horse industry in South Africa continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, The horse industry in South Africa is dead.

The infighting and politics associated with the South African horse industry compounds the fact that in the latest Outdoor SA survey, the Equestrian sports have lost even more market share. This is further proof of what we've known all along: The South African Horse Industry is failing.

Why did The South African Horse Industry fail?

So why now? Why did The South African Horse Industry fail? Once you get past the fact that The South African Horse Industry is fragmented between a myriad of incompatible personalities, there is the historical record of failure and of failed sporting events. The South African Horse Industry experienced moderate success about 15 years ago in small equestrian-orientated circles. Since then it has been in steady decline. We all know The South African Horse Industry keeps losing market share but why? Is it the problematic personalities of many of the key players, and indeed, of ordinary South African horse people...? Or is it larger than their troubled personalities?

The record is clear on one thing: no recreational activity has ever come back from the grave. As the situation grows more desperate for the adherents of these doomed recreational activities, the sorrow takes hold. An unremitting gloom hangs like a death shround over a once hopeful South African Horse community. The hope is gone; a mournful nostalgia has settled in. Now is the end time for The South African Horse Industry.

FreeBSD installer is picky (1)

mrm677 (456727) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809582)

I recently tried installing FreeBSD on my old P166 machine. This box has seen about a dozen Linux distributions dating back to Slackware 3.0 with no problems.

The FreeBSD installation program freezes nearly immediately after booting the CD. There is nothing I could do (BIOS, options, etc) to get the installation to go.

So I installed NetBSD (with no problems) and am extremely impressed. I highly recommend NetBSD to anyone wanting a non-bloated pure UNIX installation. It just works and is very nice.

The package system blows me away. Adding a new package is as simple as 'pkg_add mozilla'. It downloads the package and all dependencies and installs flawlessly. I have not tried Debian's package system, but BSD's pkg and pkgsrc system is in my mind perfect.

Re:FreeBSD installer is picky (1)

fredbsd (311595) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809751)

Too bad you had a poor experience with the FreeBSD installer. I have had no problems at all but that's just my experience.

You are dead on about the package system. Truly head and shoulders above RPM (please, it's just my opinion). The ports section of FreeBSD is a work of art. There is a great program (pkgdb) that manages ports wonderfully. You can easily check to see if your installed packages are up to date and what you need to fix if they are not.

-Donald

fa! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2809657)

First? Hardly.

extras (1)

archen (447353) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809662)

Does this come with a boot floppy? Considering the junk floppies I have around (and new ones aren't much better) I could use one.

Why I won't be buying the FreeBSD CD. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2809666)

1. Why would I give money to a project that chief goal is to produce good software that can be stolen by the likes of Microsoft.
2. See #1.

Re:Why I won't be buying the FreeBSD CD. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2809697)

Because you're fucking retarded cockbiter?

roll up, freebsd-ites! (1)

main() (147152) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809788)

well, it would appear that, at the time of posting, this will be the only non-troll-y, un-stupid comment attached to this article (imho).

come on my fellow freebsders, hit reply and lets show the world that we are happy with our lot (and of course, happy to try other OSen on occasion).

personally, i came to freebsd from a purely professional angle as the result of working with sunos 4, then on to bsd/386 [bsdi] (1.1, i still have the source cd) and now to the pure joy that is freebsd 4.4-stable.

i don't use ports, packages (and i've tried debian and apt-get) or anything like that. i like the whole "incremental improvement" buzz of downloading source and patches and installing them myself. hell, i even like breaking open the occasional header file and inserting a "#include or somesuch.

i can't believe i'm the only one.

si

(ps, excuse the lower case, but my shift button has broken and i can't be bothered to use the left one for anything but brackets)

The way I see it... (-1)

AnonymousCowheard (239159) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809966)


freeBSD is a verry stable desktop, with scheduled release dates and fewer security exploits and flaws. This accounts to a great user experience and a fast and stable desktop environment that is easy to use and troubleshoot in case of an error.

Linux is a verry stable desktop, with random unscheduled release dates, with growing security exploits and kernel FUD features and flaws, and honestly is becoming more bloated due to the insane thoughts of distributors. This accounts to a better user experience better than Microsoft Windows at the loss of stability, and a slow and well-balanced stable desktop on certain hardware criteria. Errors and software problems are more difficult to troubleshoot due to the nature of Linux distributors unable to agree upon filesystem primitives, but the end result is favorable to Linux for having the most potential and customizability for the end user with respects to the difficulties imposed by the particular distributor of your Linux.

With freeBSD, you are given a most stable operating system and environment. With Linux, you are provided software competitive to Microsoft and Apple, at the cost of stability, and offers you the possibility to customize your Linux and intentionally remove any nonsecure features to have a OS competitive with the stability of freeBSD.

To be honest, my hat goes off to freeBSD for being more stable than Linux, Microsoft, and Apple software. My hat goes off for Linux for being free, competitive on features with Microsoft and Apple, and offers the most customizability, excellent stability, and its codebase development is proven uncorruptable by any entity, corporation, or single political group; Linux is free and its development isn't centralized to where any of planet Earth's governments can impede or influence Linux' development. Microsoft and Apple are corrupted and freeBSD has the potential to be corrupted. I chose Linux simply because it's free, stable, and can be customized. For the business and corportate world, I would chose freeBSD as the best desktop operating system simply because of its proven stability; and we all want stability, right?

Not only it's the official first CD release ... (2)

BlowCat (216402) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810025)

it is also the first *BSD OS to have version above 4.4.
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