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TiVo Introduces Series2

CmdrTaco posted more than 12 years ago | from the stuff-to-lust-after dept.

Toys 351

KMFMS writes "Yesterday, TiVo introduced their Series2 line of TiVo DVRs. The TiVo web page for the Series2 states that it will have "2 USB expansion ports to connect to peripheral devices like... network adaptors..." " Presumably this will mean Tivo will have Broadband support to compete with the new ReplayTV 4000's. It also claims to support music and stuff too.

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351 comments

cool (-1)

trollercoaster (250101) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809988)


Music and stuff too. Neato.

Stuff? (-1, Redundant)

RedX (71326) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809993)

Can't wait to get one of 'dem 'der TiVo's to use with my "stuff"...

How long? (3, Interesting)

tempest303 (259600) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809994)

How much more expansion and networkability are the MPAA and TV networks going to "allow" in these sorts of things? I keep wondering when the "other shoe is going to drop" and Tivo is either sued out of existance or DRM'd out of usefulness...

Re:How long? (2, Insightful)

inerte (452992) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810027)

Forever, specially when copying content from a device to another can be tracked (and charged). If we get to this situation, MPAA will surely profit of it.

FP baby (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2809996)

FP baby!!

Yea baby yea!!!

Upgrade? (3, Interesting)

Indomitus (578) | more than 12 years ago | (#2809997)

I'm sure I'm not the only one who wants to know if there's going to be an upgrade program/discount for owners of the now old school original Tivo boxes?

I guess now that the Series1 prices are going to probably go into a freefall soon I can pick up an extra and finally for the 100gig drive upgrade. :)

Re:Upgrade? (3, Insightful)

JohnGalt42 (472998) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810064)

Enabled for future services in home entertainment

Well, if those are still future services, why would I want to upgrade now? Why don't I wait until these services are actually available and I can be certain that unit, with add-ons, actually functions the way they claim it will.

Re:Upgrade? (2, Informative)

mikeylebeau (68519) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810158)

I agree that one should not consider buying one of the Series2 boxes until there is a *reason* to.. However, it is understandable what TiVo is doing. Most likely, when ReplayTV released their 4000 unit with the broadband, TiVo was caught with their pants down and have been rushing since then to have something to show for CES, so that they don't appear to be behind in the development of their product as compared to Replay. This is a way of using what was pretty much already-existing technology in many Series1 boxes (see this comment [slashdot.org] within this article regarding technology which is already in the TiVo), but being able to say, "look we're doing what Replay did, but better!!"

-mikey

kats always likes those extra expansion ports (-1)

neal n bob (531011) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810008)

I heard that the j0n kats v2 article writing bot will have twice the expansion ports available so michael and jamie can get that double penetrating action.

When will it have a DVD drive on it? (1)

kcornia (152859) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810010)

If I could get this thing with a DVD drive, so I have one unit on top of the TV, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. But as it stands, I just don't think I watch enough TV to justify the cost.

Re:When will it have a DVD drive on it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2810171)

So you want a TiVo with a DVD? How about MOXI? DVD and you can use wireless to broadcast to 3 additional TVs in the house.

Wow. Starts testing this summer.

http://www.moxi.com/product.htm

Klerck introduces page lengthening posts (-1)

Klerck (213193) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810013)

Don't forget to add me [slashdot.org] to your foes list! Fags!

Back by unpopular demand, more random number crapflooding!

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The Turd Report 01/09/2002 (-1)

The Turd Report (527733) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810018)

I am on a new treatment for my disorder. It is fish oil. Stinky fish oil. I had shrimp and rice last night. I had carrots and asparagus with it. My turd this morning was very hard. It almost hurt pushing it out. It was very dark. It reaked of fish, more specificly: cod. Even when I was at the sink, the cod smell still permiated the bathroom. The turd was small and dense. Clean up was normal. I rate th is turd as a 5.

Re:The Turd Report 01/09/2002 (-1)

ringbarer (545020) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810099)

Have you ever had a two-tone turd? Or maybe even three? Like some bizarre chocolate toothpaste.

Note that blood doesn't qualify as a 'color' in this context?

I've been having a lot of two-tones recently, consisting of hard-dark-brown and soft-light-caramel.

It's quite beautiful really. I've been saving them to send to Jennifer Aniston.

Component Out? (2, Interesting)

Ranger Rick (197) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810020)

It's unclear on that little blurb whether it will have HDTV outputs... anyone have any more information on this? It would be great to have the outputs so that I could use the empty component in on my TV.

Re:Component Out? (1)

BRO_HAM (543601) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810117)


Well, component out doesn't necessarily mean HDTV, but I see where you're going. I don't think the image quality demands a component out yet on the tivo.

Also, wouldn't the tivo moot the HDTV quality? IANAEE, but I would imagine the recording and compression to a hard drive would negate the quality of the HDTV broadcast. Maybe somebody knows definitively.

Re:Component Out? (1)

Ranger Rick (197) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810173)

Yeah, but my main thing is that all of the regular inputs on my TV are filled, so I have to run it through the VCR instead of going straight to the TV...

It wouldn't really do anything for quality, but it would make navigating all my inputs much easier. =)

Re:Component Out? (1)

RadioTV (173312) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810380)

No, you can encode a HD signal using MPEG2, but it must be at a much higher bit rate. DTV is going to be a 19.39 Mbps MPEG2 data stream.

They should get smarter (0)

Whatthehellever (93572) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810022)

...and add a 1394 firewire port to it. The first DVR vendor that does this will get my business.

Re:They should get smarter (1)

Cire (96846) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810083)

That would be awesome! Can you imagine being able to plug a firewire hd into your tivo and bring the simpsons whereever you wanted to?

I'm sure they'd have some serious legal issues to deal with, though.

But then again, since simpsons are already out on dvd maybe it's only useful for Iron Chef. :)

Cire

Re:They should get smarter (1)

jargoone (166102) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810130)

But then again, since simpsons are already out on dvd

The first season -- that is, the ones that weren't funny -- are. Who cares?

So how does this all work? (3, Interesting)

eaddict (148006) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810024)

When I install a USB device usually I have to add some software driver of some sort. How will this work? It would be cool to be able to support things like webcams, the new creative labs sound system, PCTiVo cable and more. I use USB for most all of my stuff on my PC and would love to see this capability on a set top box.

Built-in support (3, Informative)

Otto (17870) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810057)

It will have built in support for several types of USB devices. The kernel in the only "series 2" device out there (the AT&T Tivo, availble right now thru Tivo's web page) appears to have compiled-in support for a few types of USB ethernet adapters, but it may not be enabled as of yet. In any case, so software drivers will be required, you just have to use the list of "compatible hardware" that they give. That list will likely be long, as it's just a matter of having the unit detect and load the necessary kernel modules (it's running Linux 2.4.something).

RealNetworks (3, Interesting)

Corvidae (162939) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810029)

So if you plug in a USB modem/broadband adaptor, you'd then be able to stream Real content onto a TiVO. It all makes sense now...

Re:RealNetworks (2)

f00zbll (526151) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810077)

Yeah, it does make sense now. My guess in an earlier post [slashdot.org] wasn't too far off. I'm still skeptical though, they could still mess up and require hacking to get it to do what geeks want.

Re:RealNetworks (1)

Corvidae (162939) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810481)

Good call. And when has that ever stopped us before? ;)

Re:RealNetworks (2)

jpostel (114922) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810495)

Content on demand that costs less than pay-per-view would be nice. I would even be willing to wait for the content to cache so that I could get the best signal resolution.

Network adapters... (2, Insightful)

tRoll with Butter (542444) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810042)

...and they're still going to charge ten clams a month for guide data that's freely available on the web? I'm willing to bet, the answer is yes.

This is the ONLY reason I'm not a Tivo user. Sure, the hardware is cool and it would be great to set something to record Battlebots, the Crocodile Hunter and a few other *special* shows... But for $119.88 a year for freely available data? I think not.

Oh well, maybe if the new features work without a subscription, I'll take a look.... But wait, didn't the release of extractstream (can't find link at the moment, I'll leave this up to you link-finders out there) make Tivo respond by saying the next version of the Tivo hardware would use millitary-grade crypto? So much for hackability.

Re:Network adapters... (5, Insightful)

NMerriam (15122) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810087)

They're not selling the data. They're selling the format and convenience of the data.

You can buy a sunday paper and get the TV listings. Somehow TV Guide stays in business selling the same "data" to people, but usually in a better format.

Not that i wouldn't love to be able to get all the stuff for free, but the key to tivo staying in business and making cool boxes is for them to make money somehow. If it would just go over my DSL IP connection I'd be happier than the whole dialing-in thing.

Re:Network adapters... (3, Insightful)

mikeylebeau (68519) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810131)

Agreed, they're not just selling the data. Add to that the fact that the subscriptions are really the only thing that make TiVo a decent business model (the only things that come to mind from which TiVo might profit is (1) licensing the TiVo technology to box makers like Sony and Philips, (2) the subscription fees, and (3) content deals with big networks), I'm happy to fork over the cash in hopes that it might help a company succeed which deserves to succeed.

Finally, think of it this way. Subscription fees are a way of subsidizing the cost of the set-top box. If you don't like that idea, you can just pay the extra $250 (it was $200 when I bought my TiVo) for lifetime service, and then you're essentially paying TiVo what it should cost to buy the box. Otherwise you can do that in monthly or annual increments down the line, but since I planned (and still do plan) on keeping my TiVo for many years to come when I bought it in June of 2000, I bought the lifetime, which, as of something like this March, will have paid for itself.

-mikey

Re:Network adapters... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2810261)

I'm happy to fork over the cash in hopes that it might help a company succeed which deserves to succeed.

Why is that? This is not a charity. It doesn't need "help" - if it does, its business model is flawed (and I think it is, but that's for another discussion). Why do you feel enthused to pour down money into a company whose only purpose in life is to take your money?

Re:Network adapters... (1)

Gizzmonic (412910) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810275)

Add to that the fact that the subscriptions are really the only thing that make TiVo a decent business model

Don't forget reporting your viewing habits.

Re:Network adapters... (1)

Neon Spiral Injector (21234) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810097)

Yes, you can bet that TiVo will charge for their service. That is what they are selling.

If you just want to record TV shows that you know are being shown, just use a VCR. If you like the "pause live TV" and other features like that, there are PVRs that don't have a subscription service.

All new TiVo equipment will require a subscription to function. I don't mind, that is what I bought mine to do. I like how it just finds when my favorite shows are on and records them for me.

Re:Network adapters... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2810139)

Don't know about the crypto, but Tivo is partially owned by some bigges in the copyright industry so they are beholden to interests that differ significantly from those of their paying customers so I wouldn't be surprised.

On the other hand, ReplayTV is now owned by SonicBlue which is responsible for lots of neat toys like the (sadly defunct) empeg/riocar and other various "rio" mp3 devices. These guys are a lot more likely to have your interests in mind when making decisions about features. One side effect of this is that the current replaytv 4000 series is quite easily reverse engineered and we already have a combination of gui and command line utilities to access stored programs and play them directly on our PCs. These boxes are less than 2 months on the market and development of these tools has been relatively easy.

So, rather than going out of their way to lock things down, Replay seems to be making it very easy for hackers to do their own thing with the data on stored on their boxes.

Plus the guide data is "free" too (yeah, relative term and all that).

Re:Network adapters... (5, Informative)

CMiYC (6473) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810203)

Yeah I had the same attitude until I bought one. When you realize the power the guide data gives Tivo. you can easily appreciate paying $10 a month. Sure the data is free, but programming the Tivo is not. If you had to manually program the guide data every two weeks, I think that would suck. Otherwise, the Tivo is just a digital VCR. You can easily use your computer to just record tv shows digitally. The fact that the system keeps itself updated, tracks shows that you like, automatically record a show if it moves, etc. etc etc. Its more than just the fact you are getting free data. You are getting to use the power of Tivo with that data. It takes a lot of effort to make the data useful, and that is what you are paying for.

Re:Network adapters... (5, Insightful)

SethJohnson (112166) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810205)

Or you could buy the lifetime package and be done with it.


Do you boycott all products / services that package something freely available in a more useful form? Sure, I don't buy bottled water, but what about the newspaper? What about linux distros? Why go to the movies at the theater when they'll eventually be shown on broadcast tv stations like NBC or FOX?

I find myself buying the newspaper rather than looking at the online version because I enjoy the portability and bathroom-readability of it. I purchase SuSE cdroms to support the improvement of the product without having to get my hands dirty writing code. I pay $7.50 to see movies in the theater because I want to see them on a big screen with a great sound system and share the experience with a few hundred other people.

There often is a value-add in a company taking something that's freely available and selling it. If there wasn't, then there would be legions more people who share your perspective, and these companies wouldn't be able to stay afloat. In the case of TiVO, they have significant value-add with using the tv listings. It's not a box that simply displays the channel guide (channel 7 here in Austin, TX). Consider Tivo to be your TV administrator. It watches those listings like a damn hawk, swooping down and snatching up the programs you wouldn't have noticed were on. Unless, of course, you want to spend more than $10.00 of your time and energy each month monitoring those tv listings yourself. It has such value add as providing a hot-list of celebrities to watch for, so it'll record Conan Obrien whenever some hot chick you saw in Maxim is on there (or any other show she appears on).

Look, I'm not trying to sell people a tivo. It's just my experience that some freely-available stuff can be improved and worth purchasing.

Love it (1)

OYAHHH (322809) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810043)

I can't wait to get my hands on one of these puppies.

As a Tivo owner, I've come to the conclusion that anybody who does any TV watching is an idiot not to have a Tivo.

BTW, that set of idiots included me for a long time, which I cannot, for the life of me, now understand...

Re:Love it (1)

Catiline (186878) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810085)

As a Tivo owner, I've come to the conclusion that anybody who does any TV watching is an idiot not to have a Tivo.

Or, like me, converted one of their Linux boxen to a Tivo work-alike with a video input card.

That old PC works well for streaming MP3s and Video....

Hmm... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2810128)

As a non-TV owner, I've come to the conclustion that anybody who owns (and watches) a TV is an idiot.

I spend time at places where I'm forced to watch a TV. I have yet to find something that holds my interest. My hobbies (mostly non-computer related) keep me busy after work every day.

My conclusion thus far: TV is shit.

Re:Hmm... (1)

jargoone (166102) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810413)

I know you. You're like this guy [theonion.com] . Be careful not to fall off your pedestal.

Re:Love it (1)

avdp (22065) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810169)

Funny... I do a lot of TV watching and I always thought that anybody that spends hundreds of dollars to buy something, and then another $10 per month each month for it to keep on working the way it was intended to is an idiot.

My philosophy is that you either give the hardware away for free and charge monthly fees, or you make people pay for the hardware and be done with it. Anything that tries to have it both ways (satellite radio, DIVX - the DVD lookalike, ...) is just not for me.

I won't even get into the always looming possibility of the company closing shop...

Re:Love it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2810201)

"I won't even get into the always looming possibility of the company closing shop."

That is the reason why I have not purchased a unit. I would want to pay for the lifetime vs. $10 per month. If they go out of business I would want to be able to use the unit like a VCR with no subscription. I've heard people say that functionality would be added in that case, but what if it isn't?

Re:Love it (2)

wurp (51446) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810297)

Umm, so you think they should follow the philosophy of all of the 'internet appliance' companies that sold the PC at under cost expecting users to not hack it? Where are they today? Or do you think that Tivo should give away their monthly service? It does cost them something (admittedly not much) to keep that service going. Eventually they would go out of business.

Or do you just think that any business model that would require both that you own a piece of hardware, and that you pay for a subscription to get useful information for that hardware, should be outlawed?

Didn't you use the internet to post that comment? Didn't you pay for a PC, then pay a monthly fee for your internet access? Are you an idiot?

Re:Love it (1)

Keith Mickunas (460655) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810248)

I agree with you on this. I knew I would get some enjoyment out of it before I bought it, but I kept putting it off because I didn't think it would be that great. I finally bought it when they had a good rebate going, and now I don't know how I could watch TV without it. Its wonderful to get to watch what I want to watch when I want to watch it.

Also, to all those that think it makes more sense to build your own out of a PC, I think you don't realize what you're missing. TiVO has a great interface, and you get more than just a TV schedule. You can record shows based on actors and subjects. You can pick up first run shows or repeats. As long as they have the proper info from the networks, it is smart enough to only pick up unique showings of shows like South Park in a given week. And it will allow you to schedule around conflicts with relative ease.

TV listings over networks (1)

Cire (96846) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810054)

The one thing I'd really like to see, aside from not having to pay for the TV listings monthy (or lifetime subscribtion for those big spenders out there), is to be able to download the TV listings weekly over the internet, rather than having to connect it to a phone line.

Not to mention have it download software updates via the internet as well.

Cire

Re:TV listings over networks (1)

rtphokie (518490) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810094)

If you dont want to pay for listings, then buy a replay box. You'll notice that they are much more expensive, that is because both the TiVo and UltimateTV boxes are sold at a loss in anticipation of subscription revenues. The only use I'd have for a network interface is D/L programming to my PC. My guide updates via satellite and is always up to date (DirecTiVo)

Missing stuff? (3, Insightful)

sammy.lost-angel.com (316593) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810070)

Why not firewire? It's a LOT faster, and besides, intel wants the market to move in this direction.

And, for god sakes, why not have ethernet, or wireless ethernet build in? My television is nowhere near a phone line, which is part of the reason for not getting a tivo. Although the prices for series one will probably drop now.

Re:Missing stuff? (-1)

TRoLLaXoR (181585) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810145)

> Why not firewire? intel wants the market to move in this direction

Uhh, huh?

I take it you've never heard of USB 2.0?

Intel can deal with FireWire / iLink / IEEE 1492, but it'd prefer USB 2.0 be used instead.

Great. Just great. (5, Interesting)

irregular_hero (444800) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810073)

As a Tivo owner (and modifier), I can say that it's exciting that there will be an improved Tivo hitting the stores soon. I'm a little disappointed in a few things, though:

The announcement doesn't indicate what, if any, connectivity options they intend to use by default for the Tivo2. USB ports are great and everything, but if it still requires a modem line to get guide data and uses the USB network adapter for its "extended services"... Yuck.

And about the extended services: Why do I suspect that it'll be an extra charge for those?

I'm also a bit put out that Tivo isn't doing anything to announce improvements in the following areas:

- Show Send (a la ReplayTV)
- Archival of recorded shows to media or PC
- Show scheduling via Web page
- Management of recorded items via Web
- "Self-upgrade" capability via removable media

These, given the platform it's based on, would be simple to achieve. In fact, some of the same things are out there now that others outside of Tivo have created! Why not rely on the experiences of the power users, and be a truly hip company by adopting and supporting some of their work? Isn't that how the Open Source model is supposed to work -- the Adoption of What Works?

Or maybe I'm just mad that I spent all that time modifying my Tivo to add the above features and wish that I had the obviously superior Tivo2 hardware at the time.

:)

Re:Great. Just great. (1)

rexmob (225442) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810116)

The reason TiVo most likely isn't responding to those new ReplayTV features is that TiVo would like to continue to be a viable business, and getting its pants sued off won't help that.

Re:Great. Just great. (2)

Psiren (6145) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810178)

And about the extended services: Why do I suspect that it'll be an extra charge for those?

Hmmm.. let's see now. Could it be something to do with the fact that they're a business trying to make money?

Modded away (2)

fm6 (162816) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810421)

As a Tivo owner (and modifier), I can say that it's exciting that there will be an improved Tivo hitting the stores soon. I'm a little disappointed in a few things, though:
Don't get too excited. I think Tivo is moving away from its friendly relations with the Tivo hacker community. To say nothing of opening up content the way Replay has.

This relationship was born more out of fellow feeling (the architecture of the Tivo is very hackerish) than of any practical value. But Tivo's business model is based on a close relationship with the Entertainment Industry. Not just to keep from getting sued, but to generate revenue by selling services to them. (Notice the "record this" option for some network promos. And I don't suppose logo insertion is free either.) That means they really can't afford to tolerate hacking, which will inevitably introduce features the Industry won't tolerate. Hence the disappearnce of backdoors. Expect Tivo to jump on the DMCA bandwagon soon.

5.1 support? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2810075)

Will it support surround sound and all that cool stuff? After I invested all the money in all my surround sound equipment, to buy a TiVo that doesn't support 5.1 seems like a waste...

Great for LinuxPPC Hackers... (-1)

TRoLLaXoR (181585) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810078)

The last I'd read, TiVo was based on an IBM 405-series core and ran LinuxPPC.

I see a lot of older TiVos getting sold on eBay, as this new TiVo is probably what most G1 TiVo owners were waiting for in terms of an upgrade.

So this is Good News for us PowerPC hackers who want a cheap box to play with.

More info (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2810084)

Can be found here [islandrecords.com] .

Phone Line/Fee Free DVR (1)

ndlxs (230949) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810088)

When is somebody going to get the brilliant idea to make a digital video recorder that does not require a phone line and does not have a monthly fee? That is a DVR I could like.

Re:Phone Line/Fee Free DVR (2, Informative)

Neon Spiral Injector (21234) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810136)

JVC, Panasonic, and Sony all make these, just look around.

Re:Phone Line/Fee Free DVR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2810307)

its called replaytv 4000

I slept with CmdrTaco's mom last night!!! (-1)

CmderTaco (533794) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810089)

She's a horrible lay... you'd think with all that practice, being a prostitute and all, she'd at least be descent.
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Why not two tuners?!?! (2, Interesting)

Spoons (26950) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810100)


I have had a TiVo for about a year now, and I love it! The only complaint I have about it is the inability to record two shows at once. Never have I said I would love to stream MP3s to my TiVo. Over and over I have cursed West Wing for overlaping with Enterprise, and Friends for coming on at the same time as Survivor. I want both! I know they already have this ability in the DirecTiVo, but not in the Stand Alone TiVos. This seems like the next logical evolution of their product, but alas TiVo is yet another company that has placed strategic partnerships above features.

Re:Why not two tuners?!?! (4, Informative)

sdo1 (213835) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810212)

I'd love to know the percentage of people who own DirecTiVo units who are actually using the dual tuners. I suspect that as a marketing feature, it was a necessary thing to add to compete against UltimateTV, but I think the reality is that only a small percentage of people are utilizing it.

The added cost to a standalone TiVo of adding a second tuner is probably not trivial. For those systems, the TiVo is doing on-the-fly mpeg compression. Adding another tuner also means adding at least another compression co-processor. For the DirecTiVo versions, the signal is already compressed coming from DirecTV, so those are parts they didn't have to add. For a dual-tuner the thing needs to be able to handle three video streams at once... two recording/compression and one playback. That's a lot of number-crunching. The DirecTiVo only ever has to deal with set of number-crunching (for playback).

-S

Re:Why not two tuners?!?! (2)

uslinux.net (152591) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810304)

Well, I don't (yet) own a Tivo, but I do own DirecTV (no cable where I'm at), and I would definitely like to be able to record two different shows at once. With DirecTV, if I want to record a movie on HBO, well, I have to *watch* the movie, or go find another TV. With dual tuners, I can record a movie and still watch the Simpsons (or vice versa). I've seriously considered a DirecTiVo unit just for that.

Re:Why not two tuners?!?! (1)

bruhmann (83741) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810285)

You need to get 2 tivos. A tivo doesn't have the capability to encode 2 streams at once into mpeg2. DirecTivo's don't have to encode the signal, it's already in mpeg2 format. So you would need 2 mpeg2 encoders, more processing power, and a second tuner. That's a lot of extra hardware for added functionality that a few people would rarely use.

Why it doesn't (1)

Synn (6288) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810368)

The problem with the stand-alone unit having two tuners is that they may only have 1 data stream to record from.

I have digital cable. So I get a digital stream from my cable provider to their box, which then goes through my Tivo to my TV. The Tivo can't record 2 shows at once because my cable box will only stream 1 show to the Tivo box.

Maybe with analog cable Tivo could record 2 shows at once if it had two tuners, but analog cable is probably a dying technology anyway: the cable providers are pushing digital.

What I'd LOVE to see is an integrated digital cable box + Tivo unit, like what they did with Direct TV. That way they could pop 2 tuners in the box and record 2 shows at once. The compressing onto the tivo storage might even be better because they wouldn't be going digital -> analog -> digital like they do now.

Re:Why not two tuners?!?! (1)

Indomitus (578) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810512)

The problem with 2 tuners is that it would do nothing for most cable users (which I would guess is a large portion of their userbase). Even if my Tivo had 2 tuners, I still only have 1 digital cable box spitting out 1 signal to the Tivo so it wouldn't help me out at all. I so wish I could record 2 shows, or at least record 1 and watch another, but since I have to use a cable box it's not going to happen.

Will this be the product integrated with Real? (2)

dave-fu (86011) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810103)

If you're not in the know, Real and TiVo are in bed with one another [reuters.com] which struck me as odd seeing as how Real isn't exactly known for being a champion of the Linux cause and that's TiVo's blood 'n guts.
At any rate, I'm glad to see that non-standard, non-open digital "rights" management fomats are no longer solely the domain of Windows *cough* WMA/V *cough*.

Re:Will this be the product integrated with Real? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2810177)

I know it can be hard to believe, but for some people Linux isn't the be-all and end-all in life

Re:Will this be the product integrated with Real? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2810223)

...Real isn't exactly known for being a champion of the Linux cause...

Sure, they don't release RealPlayer's source, but they've been releasing players for Linux forever. I remember 5 or 6 years ago downloading RealAudio for Linux. How many companies have been releasing products for Linux (for FREE) for so long? Of course they're not the only ones, but they're not as linux-blind as you seem to imply.

Recording computer images on a Tivo (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2810114)

This site is hilarious! Perhaps with the network cable, you could record it on a Tivo?

http://iraqis.org/bomb/ [iraqis.org]

What about multiple tuners? (2, Interesting)

Timmy (969) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810115)

My main gripe about Tivo right now is that I can't record one program and watch another at the same time. UltimateTV and even DirecTivo have this capability, or alternately the ability to record two shows at the same time.

The specs for the new Tivo make no mention of this.

Re:What about multiple tuners? (1)

TwoStep (36482) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810290)

Apparently they said at the press conference that they have the ability to put 2 tuners in the new TiVo's, bu that they aren't planning on manufacturing 2 tuner TiVo's quite yet.

Also, with one tuner you can watch one thing and record something else, you just have to watch something that has already been recorded. If you set up your TiVo in a certain way (with coax cable) you can even watch something live while TiVo records something else (equivalent to using a splitter).

Twostep

Audio Support (2)

Gedvondur (40666) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810126)

If it could do what the Turtle Beach Audiotron is doing and be my PVR too, that would be way cool. I view this with guarded optimism, they don't actually mention attaching broadband via USB. They just mention video on demand via broadband. Those could be seriously different things the the final shakedown. Still, its cool to see.

USB for additional storage? Looks like no. (1)

iiii (541004) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810135)

If you're going to have USB, why not provide the capability to use external storage? That would rock, but it doesn't sound like they are doing that. From the web page:
2 USB expansion ports to connect to peripheral devices like digital cameras, network adaptors, MP3 and CD players, etc.
Etc???

Nice, but... (5, Interesting)

tswinzig (210999) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810137)

I've bought 3 TiVo's in the last year. One for me, one for my parents, and one for my brother. All three were the cheap 20-hour units, upgraded with a 3rd party hard-drive.

I sure as hell am not going through this again until they add HDTV support and dual tuners.

I would also love to see:

- 802.11b options, not only for downloading the updates via your local LAN, but also for streaming MPEG to other PC's and wireless devices on your LAN.

- Optical digital audio outputs (to go with the HDTV support).

- Newer video codecs with better quality (maybe they have added this in the latest release ... it says they have a new graphics engine)

- Firewire output would be nice, also.

Of course, my dream unit would be one that is integrated with TimeWarner's digital cable box, so that it can take advantage of the digital channels, much like DirecTiVo does. The integration with TW's channel guide alone would be awesome...

Re:Nice, but... (1)

kcurrie (4116) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810458)

802.11b isn't fast enough for streaming half decent video around your network. 11a should be though.

All well and good... (4, Insightful)

sdo1 (213835) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810138)

The new features are all well and good, but I think the key to TiVo's long term success will continue to lie in its simplicity. Right now, it's something that your grandmother can use. It's simple, intuitive, and useful. While adding ports may up the "geek factor" to compete with ReplayTV, it really adds very little in the long run.

If you really want a whiz-bang system with home networking and other features built in, the way to get that NOW is to roll your own PC based system. There's plenty of software available.

If TiVo makes the mistake of over complicating their product and bogging it down with vaporware (see previous RealNetworks article), then they may have problems. Ask yourself what level of technology your non-technical friends and relatives are comfortable dealing with. Most can't even hook up their VCR correctly.

I love my TiVo. It's easy to use and simply works great. I don't ever see myself being without some sort of PVR.

-S

Interesting compromise... (4, Insightful)

Fnkmaster (89084) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810141)

What's odd about this is the fact that they put USB there. A USB Ethernet adapter can handle all of 10Mbit ethernet - no 100 Mbit ethernet here. I have two Tivo's currently, and have a 10MBit ethernet card in my SA (Standalone Tivo) and it is honestly slow as ass to transfer a show over to my desktop. But that's an ISA adapter hack with an old ISA 10baseT card in it - the Real Deal ought to include a 100baseT built in ethernet to stream big movies.


While it's true that for streaming over the internet directly from a Tivo it wouldn't matter, but it's pretty crazy to go around transferring full bitrate MPEG encoded movies - what most people want to be able to do is download video to their computer and re-encode or shrink it down to a reasonable archiveable size.


This sketches me out - I have a strange feeling that something is going on behind the scenes here - remember the flap over the ReplayTV that could "share movies with your friends". Tivo is a saavy company when it comes to placating the media world. I have a feeling there is a reason they are putting USB on it rather than ethernet directly. But it doesn't quite click to me what it could be - other than that this allows them to assess the industry response to it, and choose to release or not release official ethernet-USB support at a later date without endangering the product itself, and surely some hackers will make ethernet work anyway to appeal to the gear head crowd.


So I think this is a carefully considered business decision. I also know a lot of folks in the Tivo community and have no doubt that within weeks of these things hitting the stores all sorts of cool unintended uses for these USB ports will be thought up. I'll be first in line to buy one, as soon as the DirecTV-integrated version is out.

Re:Interesting compromise... (1)

DangerTenor (104151) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810251)

USB 2.0 should be able to handle 100mbps no problem. If they're smart and put USB 2.0 ports on there then it should be OK. If not, well, my only guess is that they had no intention of allowing video transfer via the network--probably only guide data retrieval and perhaps network video games and/or music.

What purpose does this thin serve? (1)

halftrack (454203) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810146)

As a Computer/PC fan/freak/geek/. I've never bothered to take a closer look to things like the TiVo-thing nor do I belive I will. I'm just wondering what advantages such a device has got over a computer. Slap in a large HD, a TV-tuner-card and a graphiccard with a Composite connection and you'll have it all. Of course these things are cheaper, doesn't go out on date within the next 8 months and probably never crashes, but still modern man is separated from cows in three crucial points; opposing thumbs, speech and home-computers. Not many owns a computer today and those who don't doesn't really need a thing such as this. Some has probably never heard of the device either. But then again, what do I know? I'v never tried one.

Thanks but ill pass on TIvo...why ? (3, Interesting)

sh0rtie (455432) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810150)



After reading this article [privacyfoundation.org] i think ill stick to alternative devices, im not into paying someone to sell my viewing habits to advertisers if they are strapped for cash,
im suprised so many pgp military encryption loving /. readers are so nieve or am i ....

Re:Thanks but ill pass on TIvo...why ? (5, Insightful)

TwoStep (36482) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810252)

If you are so concerned, TiVo allows you to opt out of the data collection.

Personally, I like that they collect what I watch. Maybe that will mean that the shows I watch don't get cancelled...

Twostep

Re:Thanks but ill pass on TIvo...why ? (2, Informative)

Milalwi (134223) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810499)


If you are so concerned, TiVo allows you to opt out of the data collection.
Yes, and it's composite data anyway, compiled by postal code, I believe. I think someone sniffed the data stream to verify this.

Milalwi

Re:Thanks but ill pass on TIvo...why ? (1)

jargoone (166102) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810510)

Enough with the conspiracy theories. Who cares if they have your viewing habits? You're not as important as you think you are.

Audio (1)

shaka999 (335100) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810154)

Anyone see mention of audio improvements on this beast? I love my Tivo but the audio really sucks. Rear channels essentially disappear. I'm told this information is lost because the mpeg encoding algorithms see it as not being important.

CDR? (1)

TheCrunch (179188) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810159)

How long will it be before someone makes a USB CD writer mod and starts spreading near-perfect copies of TV programmes?

If that happened the $hit would hit the fan for TiVo, surely..

Re:CDR? (2)

wackysootroom (243310) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810306)

Unless you have digital cable or HDTV, the TV Programs will be far from 'perfect'. Why does it matter anyway? You are already making 'copies' on the TIVO hard drive. A person could do this with any cature software and a capture card hooked up to a PC. It would be a hell of a lot easier than doing a USB CD-R(w) mod.

If you have had sex with CmdrTaco's mom: (-1)

CmderTaco (533794) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810170)

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Link here instead! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2810202)

Though goatse.cx is a classic, if you want to be really destructive, link here instead:

http://iraqis.org/bomb/ [iraqis.org]

Keep up the great work!

tivo and its appeal (-1, Troll)

firebone (448123) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810179)

Hey look at me I'm a nigger! Tape me on TiVo!

Re:tivo and its appeal (-1)

Klerck (213193) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810193)

You truly are a fag. I hope you get AIDS and die of it. If not AIDS, then cancer of the asshole.

Another missing feature (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2810192)

One feature I'd really like to see is the ability to decode digital cable.

2 USB expansion ports? Hmmm.... (5, Funny)

fobbman (131816) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810210)

"2 USB expansion ports to connect to peripheral devices like digital cameras, network adaptors, MP3 and CD players, etc."

Etc. could be a USB CD burner, perhaps? That popping sound was the MPAA's aneurism.

"Sleeker Dimensions" (1)

justinstreufert (459931) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810215)

At least every other bullet point on the new features list has been complained about in at least one message on this article so far, so I thought I'd pick on the last remaining nitpickable item in the announcement.

They announced that the new device will be only 15" wide, rather than the standard 17". While seemingly inocuous, this means that any new TiVo I buy will look like a toy or a low-budget VCR in my equipment stack. And speaking of stacks, I currently have a 17" DVD player stacked on top of my TiVo, and this would no longer be possible with the new box.

Oh, well. My TiVo already does everything I want it to anyway. Until an HD-TiVo comes out I think I'll be doing all my upgrading with a Torx screwdriver rather than my wallet.

Justin

Re:"Sleeker Dimensions" (1)

shaka999 (335100) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810511)

Man, I didn't even think of that. I hate when AV components that are non-standard sized. They really do screw things up in a cabinet.

Maybe they should come out with a 15-17 inch adapter :).

Dave Thomas Was an alcoholic... (-1)

CmderTaco (533794) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810217)

He died of liver cancer.
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Still running Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2810222)

One thing people seem to forget is that these don't necessarily have to be running Linux. Just because Series 1 Tivo's do, doesn't mean they have to use it for Series 2. Especially given the Realnetworks support. Kind of makes you wonder...

DirectTV info? (1)

gmkeegan (160779) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810224)

Anybody know if the DirectTV receivers with built-in Tivo will be offering the 2nd generation features as well?

Firewire? (1)

nsrbrake (233425) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810403)

Does anyone else think they might have been better off if they had included a firewire port?
USB is all fine and good, but unless it's v2 there isn't much bandwidth available for data transfers. I wouldn't want to wait hours...

offtopic, but does it support digital cable? (1)

rave77 (300691) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810479)

I'm dying to know the answer to this:

ATT is advertising the first series TIVO with a $100 discount, but they'll never say if it'll cooperate with their digital tuner.

Is the TIVO smart enough to change channels with the digital tv reciever? Or does it contain the reciever?

My VCR wont change channels if the input is coming off the digital tuner. If the input isnt coming off the tuner, you can't see the premium channels.

Another choice : Moxi Media Center. (2)

clarkie.mg (216696) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810498)

Moxi [moxi.com] presented their media center at the CES 2002 in Las Vegas on monday. Oh wait, it has already made slashdot headlines [slashdot.org] !
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