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Microsoft Caught Rigging ZD Net Poll

CmdrTaco posted more than 12 years ago | from the now-thats-funny-stuff dept.

Microsoft 768

Dj writes "Microsoft have been found to be rigging a ZDNet poll". Apparently they didn't dig on the idea of .NET losing. Of course as anyone knows, never trust an online poll because this sort of stuff is obviosly happening all the time. I just wonder how many comments posted around the net are posted with the same goals in mind.

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Propz to all crapflooders/trolls (-1)

Tasty Beef Jerky (543576) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810230)

Mad propz to you gentlemen. You make Slashdot worthwhile!

There's a shocker (-1, Redundant)

jkeychan (525704) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810231)

Could this be the first time?

Re:There's a shocker (5, Interesting)

DRO0 (252117) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810375)

Maybe, maybe not. If you do a search on google for "poll rig fix", here's the 3rd result.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/1/13255.html [theregister.co.uk]

Microsoft will be Very Angry ... (2, Funny)

TandyMasterControl (136043) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810440)

I imagine. After all, ZDnet is SUPPOSED to do this kind of thing for them.

This is the first. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2810234)

Awww yeah, first post. mod this down, nothing to see here. Lets move along people.

Boy, what a surprise... (0, Redundant)

KC7GR (473279) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810236)

Does this REALLY surprise anyone?

Hmm..Typical (0, Funny)

phat_rat (542703) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810241)

This sounds very typical of M$ to do. They hate the idea of losing any sort of competition. They are cheap fighters and will do ANYTHING to stop themselves from losing.Next thing they will sue Ziff-Davis for mentioning their product, using their software and breathing the same air as them...am I wrong?

So... (5, Funny)

Magus311X (5823) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810244)

This is what their marketing department does all day ...

Figures.

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Re:So... (5, Funny)

wulfhere (94308) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810291)

No, this is obviously what their QA department does all day. ;-)

Yeah... 4 Shure.... (-1, Redundant)

Daemonator (549241) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810245)

Is there anything that the monster monopoly won't do??? Damn....... Not a shok though.

hmmm. no suprise here (1)

zachusaf (540628) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810247)

Well, at least it wasn't another leaked email....

Re:hmmm. no suprise here (3, Informative)

el_doop (235938) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810286)

Well, it sorta was...

Several of the voters evidently followed a link contained in an email, the subject line of which ran: "PLEASE STOP AND VOTE FOR .NET!" We know this, because our logs include the Web address where visitors browsed from; when people click there from a Microsoft Exchange email message, Exchange helpfully gives us the subject line and username. The people who followed that link all had email addresses in the microsoft.com domain.

Did Microsoft bother... (3, Flamebait)

Ieshan (409693) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810256)

Did Microsoft bother to write a script to do it, or did they just give everyone in the office building a salary increase based on how many times they clicked the mouse on the little button that day? :)

Re:Did Microsoft bother... (0, Redundant)

Sklivvz (167003) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810360)

According to the original article some did. Most of the votes came from an internal Microsoft email titled "STOP AND VOTE FOR .NET" though.

It's funny how the ZDNet script blocked multiple votes, but some people moronicly kept on trying to submit votes. One guy tried 228 (!) times!

Re:Did Microsoft bother... (1, Insightful)

dozing (111230) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810420)

Most of the votes came from an internal Microsoft email titled "STOP AND VOTE FOR .NET" though.


Not entirely true. The article states that "Several of the voters evidently followed a link contained in an email" I do not take that to mean Most.



Sorry to nit-pick, but I'm bored and couldn't find anything constructive to do.

Re:Did Microsoft bother... (5, Funny)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810441)

> Most of the votes came from an internal Microsoft email titled "STOP AND VOTE FOR .NET" though.

When I asked "What do you get if you cross the Cult of $cientology with Steve Ballmer?", I was being rhetorical! I didn't want to find out!

Re:Did Microsoft bother... (2)

Ieshan (409693) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810427)

Nah, when 50 million people responded to that with "Neither", they'd wonder... so where did so many people who care about linux come from...

Klerck rigs slashdot with page lengthening posts (-1)

Klerck (213193) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810257)

Do you like your pages LONG?

Don't forget to add me [slashdot.org] to your foes list! Fags!

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Look who's talking (3, Funny)

jxqvg (472961) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810264)

I see CowboyNeal getting way fewer votes than I think he should in /. polls.

Meanwhile... (5, Funny)

swingkid (3585) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810267)

Many addled Microsoft employees mistakenly voted for Pat Buchanan

Re:Meanwhile... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2810404)

wow
the moderators really missed the boat on that one
+1 informative?
+1 interesting?

Doesn't taco... (1)

MikeLRoy (246462) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810268)

do this all the time???

http://slashdot.org/pollBooth.pl?section=&qid=643& aid=-1

This is a switch! (5, Funny)

louzerr (97449) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810273)

Wow, M$ must be really hurting for cash! They usually just buy a good rating!

Re:This is a switch! (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810426)


> Wow, M$ must be really hurting for cash! They usually just buy a good rating!

Now they'll just have to buy ZDnet.

Content of article (-1, Redundant)

Araneas (175181) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810274)

Sorry about the formatting services 15:31 Wednesday 9th January 2002 Peter Judge In December, Java was more popular than .Net for building Web services, according to a ZDNet UK poll, but weeks later the position had dramatically reversed; investigation revealed just what lengths Microsoft will go to to promote its products Microsoft's .Net Web services technology appeared to experience a sudden massive boost in popularity over its rival Java, according to a poll run by ZDNet UK. By 21 December, more than two-thirds of the respondents (69.5 percent), said they planned to deliver some applications by Web services by the end of 2002, with a large majority of those (nearly half the total sample) planning to use Java. Only 21.5 percent said they planned to use Microsoft .Net -- less than the figure (23.5 percent) planning to use neither. But by the time the poll closed, on 5 January, the position had dramatically changed, with three quarters of voters claiming to be implementing .Net. This apparent sudden change of heart over the Christmas period appears to be the result of a concerted campaign within Microsoft. ZDNet UK logs reveal rather obvious vote rigging, and prove that it originated from within Microsoft: A very high percentage of voters are from within the microsoft.com domain. There is a very high incidence of people attempting to cast multiple votes, even though the poll script blocked out most attempts at multiple voting. The one that wins the prize made 228 attempts to vote. This person was from within the microsoft.com domain. Several of the voters evidently followed a link contained in an email, the subject line of which ran: "PLEASE STOP AND VOTE FOR .NET!" We know this, because our logs include the Web address where visitors browsed from; when people click there from a Microsoft Exchange email message, Exchange helpfully gives us the subject line and username. The people who followed that link all had email addresses in the microsoft.com domain. There is also clear evidence of automated voting, with scripts attempting to post multiple times. This is not the first time Microsoft has been caught using dubious practices. Last August, lobbyists acting for Microsoft went beyond the grave and dispatched letters to US states' attorneys general from two deceased people as part of a campaign to persuade government prosecutors to lay off the company in the antitrust case. US lobby group the Campaign Against Government Waste (CAGW) posted the letters as part of an attempt to convince attorneys general there was a grass-roots campaign against the case. Although votes cast after 21 December are suspect, this latest episode illustrates the importance of Web services -- at least to suppliers, anyway. The inevitable conclusion is that these are some of the first salvos in what will be a bitter PR struggle. Microsoft may have shot itself in the foot this time, but future efforts may be a little more subtle.

Re:Content of article (0)

SonicRED (15265) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810299)

karma whore.

I mirrored it, "INSIGHTFUL" is me.

Re:Content of article (0, Offtopic)

Araneas (175181) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810355)

No whore me at work no time to set post up properly site probably slashdotted by now. If it really offends you mod it down.

Re:Contents of your brain? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2810349)

Um, how does this help exactly? Maybe you'd like to copy-paste some other things here too, love novels, 1962 grand prix results, your IQ.

That last one should provoke much discussion, I'll be bound.

Re:Content of article (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810354)


> Several of the voters evidently followed a link contained in an email, the subject line of which ran: "PLEASE STOP AND VOTE FOR .NET!" We know this, because our logs include the Web address where visitors browsed from; when people click there from a Microsoft Exchange email message, Exchange helpfully gives us the subject line and username. The people who followed that link all had email addresses in the microsoft.com domain.

That's frikkin hilarious.

> Microsoft may have shot itself in the foot this time, but future efforts may be a little more subtle.

I've never seen the least sign that anyone at Microsoft is even aware of the concept "subtle", let alone knows how to apply it.

thanx man (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2810424)

I still cant get to the article... sorry for the karma.. :)

All your polls.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2810276)

All your polls are belong to Microsoft.

and their directors aren't... (0)

renehollan (138013) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810277)

...serving time for criminal FRAUD because...?

Re:and their directors aren't... (1)

MisterBlister (539957) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810342)

Because its just a fucking web poll, and nobody takes them seriously anyway?

What they did is certainly less-than-honest, but please point me to a law that says asking your employees to vote for your product on a web poll is criminal fraud?

Re:and their directors aren't... (2)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810356)

Because it's not illegal to rig a poll on some web site. Now, doctoring evidence sumitted in a court case...THAT should be punishable.

Re:and their directors aren't... (1)

hogsback (548721) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810358)

because...?

... it's not fraud. Who has lost anything?

Probably because no crime was committed (5, Insightful)

mbessey (304651) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810410)

I don't think that Microsoft did anything really wrong here. It'd be different if online polls had any of the same validity that real polls do. But they don't, which makes it merely a question of who most effectively stuffs the ballot box.

There's no reason to think that any of the people who voted in that poll are actually planning to deploy any kind of Web infrastructure, ever. Most of those who voted are probably 13 year olds who think that "Java is cool", so they voted for it.

Even if the poll results were completely "fair" before MS started stuffing ballots, who's to say that the cross-section of people that responded was at all appropriate. Real polling companies spend a lot of effort trying to get statistically-valid results, which is why they charge money for the service.

I know that if any product I work on shows up in a popularity poll (again), I'll vote early and often, and encourage others to do the same.

-Mark

What about Florida? (2, Funny)

zachusaf (540628) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810278)

Acually, ZDnet is sure in .NET won, Florida's votes haven't came it yet......

Damn. (4, Funny)

Byteme (6617) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810279)

If I had known that MS would win I would not have voted for Cowboy Neal. (This is the last time I am voting for the Green Party).

If you have had sex with CmdrTaco's mom: (-1)

CmderTaco (533794) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810288)

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So now we all know...... (0)

Linuxthess (529239) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810289)

who has been voting for CowboyNeil all these years....

Stress testing .NET (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2810292)

Weren't they just stress testing .NET? Isn't ZDNET ZD.NET? Doesn't Microsoft own ZDNET? Doesn't there polls use .NET technology?

While hardly new... (5, Insightful)

bricriu (184334) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810294)

... this is particularly annoying because it's exactly this sort of statistic that will be used by middle-management (and/or Microsoft flacks) to justify switching project backbones to .NET

"Well, look, this says 74% of programmers out there are eager to use .NET! Guess we should too!"

It's not like this is some hobbyist site. It's ZDNet. Some people actually listen to them.

And it's not like you're voting for Coolest Transformer of All Time. They're creating a grossly skewed statistic that could actually be used to figure out where millions of dollars gets invested.

Re:While hardly new... (3, Funny)

andyt (149701) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810352)

Grimlock.

:-)

Re:While hardly new... (1)

Palos (527071) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810382)

Hopefully if you're going to spend millions, you'd do some of your own research, or go with a research company like juniper who stastics are done a bit more carefully. Most of the random web polls out there aren't a good sampling of anything.

Re:While hardly new... (1)

Gizzmonic (412910) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810387)

I can see where you're coming from, but let's not discount the goofiness factor. I can just imagine office drones are sitting around at Microsoft with nothing to do, whispering to the next cubicle "Hey! There's this poll on ZDNet! Vote for .NET d00d!"

Maybe it's part of those "winning strategies" that that leaked Sales email mentioned...

Slashdot Polls (0, Redundant)

antarctican (301636) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810303)

I always knew I shouldn't trust those slashdot polls, and the bunch of shifty guys behind the scenes.... No wonder Cowboy Neal always wins.
;-)

Fuck you fags (-1)

Klerck (213193) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810308)

Don't forget to add me [slashdot.org] to your foes list! Fags!

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Funny... (3, Funny)

nam37 (517083) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810309)

We'll I guess I can assume that I am the only one that finds this funny... Companies do this stuff ALL the time.. and just because some over vealous programmer or marketing rat thought to send all his buddies over to vote, doesnt mean that this is further evidence of some kinda pro-monopolistic attitude... its just people who like their products... ...not that i dont think they ARE a monopoly (I think that has been effectively proven) but....

Hmm (1)

jdc180 (125863) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810314)

The article suggests microsoft employees circulated e-mail's containing a link to vote. That doesn't seem too dubious a practice, since I've seen many e-mails linking to polls and surveys. I do however, have a problem with them writing scripts to automate the responding.

Next thing you know (4, Funny)

wiredog (43288) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810315)

They'll be trolling slashdot and having dead people send letters to their congresscritters.

Java forum (1)

javilon (99157) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810320)

I used to read a java forum when MS was deep into the java legal war.

There were a resident troll that all of us suspected to be paid by _somebody_. The only thing this guy did during his day was to introduce noise and FUD in the list.

There where a java advocacy list but this wasn't it. It was java development.

I wonder if the same tactic is or will be used against slashdot.(Off course this time it would have to be a credible troll)

White Paper Anyone? (0)

diwolf (537997) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810321)

So, when the white paper innevitably comes out showing that the majority uses .NET, and hence, that's the reason to buy M$'s products, perhaps ZDNet could post a rebuttal with how Microsoft tampered with the results.

But, it kinda strikes me as amusing that someone tried 228 times to vote: obviously not reading the, "No duplicate votes" message. Must have been one of their head programmers (so quick on their toes!)

But, this really doesn't suprise me. Microsoft has done things like this before. Their TCP/IP stack is borrowed from *BSD, they go out of their way to break Samba compatability, etc, etc.etc.. The bottom line though, if you don't like Microsoft, just don't buy their products. Any of them! Vote with your dollars.

Typical Poll Disclaimers (1)

DRO0 (252117) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810322)

"This poll is not scientific and reflects the opinions of only those Internet users who have chosen to participate. The results cannot be assumed to represent the opinions of Internet users in general, nor the public as a whole."

I'd hardly expect people to read a typical poll disclaimer, but you'd expect more people to at least know better than trust in polls put up on any web site. Of course Microsoft must know that way too may people go for the herd mentality.

ZDnet is MS's bitch (1)

simetra (155655) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810324)

Really, I'm surprised that they would have to resort to actually voting. I was sure they just called the editor whenever they wanted to.

So why didn't ZDnet pull the poll? (5, Interesting)

Graabein (96715) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810325)

ID ZDnet knew the poll was rigged, why didn't they pull it ASAP?

The poll is still available here [zdnet.co.uk] . It carries no warnings or disclaimers that the poll has been massively rigged by Microsoft.

Why?

what about slashdot polls? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2810327)

so we are not to trust slashdot polls any longer?are they rigged by cowboyneal?

OS/2 users did this too.. (1)

thered (256861) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810393)

a number of years back, os/2 users jambed the virtual ballot box of Infoworld's [inforworold.com] annual product of the year awards. They changed the rules after that incident (and invalidated the results).

Huge budget for the .Net initiative... (1)

MrSeb (471333) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810328)

... most of it spent on poll-scamming bandwidth.

Interesing 'privacy' note... (5, Interesting)

Masem (1171) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810329)

In their 3rd point on the reputed email, ZDNet has to say:
We know this, because our logs include the Web address where visitors browsed from; when people click there from a Microsoft Exchange email message, Exchange helpfully gives us the subject line and username.
Certainly, Referrer is a common way to determine where people are coming from, but it seems to be a rather interesting privacy/security problem that MS Exchange would include the username in the HTTP request referrer field. If anything, I would expect a link in email to be a direct entry into a site, thus having no referrer field. (Of course, those of us that use plain text email simply cut and paste, and referrer ends up empty anyway). Even with this, I can see how this would easily work for spammers: have the 'click here to opt-out' link, and even if you have to do additional work on the end site to 'opt-out', they have guarenteed your email address at that point.

Re:Interesing 'privacy' note... (2)

rcw-work (30090) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810406)

it seems to be a rather interesting privacy/security problem that MS Exchange would include the username in the HTTP request referrer field.

The article prompted me to check this - it appears Outlook 2000 + IE5.01 at least does not send any Referer data when opening a URL sent as normal text in an email (which Outlook presents as a link). I'm very curious why ZDNet said that...

I will quote www.somethingawful.com (1)

azizlumiere (147720) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810332)

If it's on a website it must be true !

Some truth (1)

beta21 (88000) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810334)

It may not be as fraudulent as many ppl think. I'm sure most of those ppl are either learning .NET or developing on it. SO yes they are planning on making applications with .NET.

Is this terribly different? (5, Insightful)

dozing (111230) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810336)

Several of the voters evidently followed a link contained in an email, the subject line of which ran: "PLEASE STOP AND VOTE FOR .NET!"

Is this terribly different from what happens when slashdot has a post announcing some poll about linux? I'm sure we've rigged our share in the past. Not that I think Microsoft is right. I'm just trying to give a little perspective and play devil's advocate for a moment. Feel free to mod me down because you dissagree.

Figures that they rigged last November election (-1, Offtopic)

Dark Coder (66759) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810339)

But who did they attempt to rig? Bush or Gore?

Isn't this typical? (1)

alsta (9424) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810340)

I would imagine that other companies do similar things. What's different about Microsoft doing it? After all, people are "consumers" and not people in the marketplace. Since the marketplace operates to a large degree on statistics, why not try to "manage" those statistics by inciting consumers to affect the statistics?

Now the question of if it is morally correct, is a totally different thing. We all know that Big Business(tm) doesn't have morals and Microsoft(R) is Big Business(tm).

Re:Isn't this typical? (1)

Sklivvz (167003) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810418)

Other companies are smart enough not to get caught!

I also find this way of doing PR quite stupid... Anyone knowing at least a bit of how Internet works would have known this would backfire... Oh, I forgot we were talking about Microsoft PR people, hehehhehe!!!!

poll rigging (1)

daevt (100407) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810344)

i wonder if bill gates and teddy kenedy are old drinking buddies or something, cause the last bit of poll rigging i saw with this kinda stink to it was when jack went to the white house.

What a bunch of scumbags. (0)

john@iastate.edu (113202) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810345)

I think that about covers it.

Well (2)

sllort (442574) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810346)

First of all this wasn't some deep dark conspiracy to use a masterfully written web script to rig a poll. Instead, they just sent a chain email to vote for their side. This has happened at Slashdot; here, click here [slashdot.org] to vote to fire Jon Katz. See?

I think the real humor in this situation is that they got busted by Exchange passing the subject line in the HTTP header when you click through. Their own anti-privacy measures just bit them in their collective corporate ass. Maybe this will cause them to think twice next time?

This is important! (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2810350)

We need to get this into the mainstream media. The majority of the population does not read ZDNet and even fewer read Slashdot(sorry). But, people, everyday people, need to see what kind of company Microsoft really is.

Does anyone know of a way to get CNN or AP to pick up this story and run with it?

What happened (4, Insightful)

CaptainSuperBoy (17170) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810353)

What probably happened is, some MS sales guy stumbled across the poll so he drafted an e-mail entitled "PLEASE STOP AND VOTE FOR .NET!" This goes along with the take-no-prisoners attitude that has been seen coming from MS execs like that sales guy who wrote the "kill linux" e-mails. So the e-mail makes the rounds, everyone at MS clicks over to the poll and votes for .NET. Nothing major, just shows you why web polls can't be trusted.

I seriously doubt that this was organized by anyone high level at MS.. probably just a salesman who thought it would be a good idea to get everyone to vote in the poll.

It's the next M$ innovation (1)

TurboDog99 (442475) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810357)

A .NET web service that screws over the on-line poll of their choosing.

MS sponsored comments on slashdot (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2810362)

I wouldnt be surprised if MS were getting people to attempt to defend MS right here on slashdot.

In the last few months ive been noticing more pro-ms comments here which i think are suspect.

Its impossible to be certain, it might just be that the slashdot demographic is changing.

Re:MS sponsored comments on slashdot (1)

TurboDog99 (442475) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810408)

If they didn't do it, nobody else would. Hell, we need some variety. It makes it more fun. If we happen to get to slam REAL M$ employees, that's even better.

My only thought (1)

halftrack (454203) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810364)

hahahahahaaaa ... haha ... hahaha
funny guy this Microsoft. Probably drives a car whose registration#'s DUH

Hahah, it was me. (0, Funny)

Jonny Ringo (444580) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810372)

It worked. I actually hacked into a Microsoft server and set up a script to vote for .Net on zdnet from MS with hopes they would get caught and have an awful story written about them. HAHAHAHAH!!!!!

Hmmmm.... (3, Insightful)

Null_Packet (15946) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810376)

It seems far more likely that an internal e-mail encouraged MS employees to vote for .NET, and they did. They seem quick to point out that some people from the microsoft.com domain tried to use automated voting, and they therefore blame that on the parent corporation. I'd have a much easier life if I could blame all my problems on my employer too.

My questions would be, "Did anyone else outside the microsoft.com domain try to use automated voting for any of the contestants?" or, "Do you have any evidence that the e-mail sent out encouraged ballot stuffing?"

How would a simple email with a link encouraging employees to vote be different than a presidential candidate sending an e-mail out telling everyone register for their party or even go an vote? Sure, there's an obvious bias, but what makes you think that *anyone* is voting that doesn't have a bias?

This all reeks of sensationalism and media-based MS-bashing. Whether you like MS or not, MS-bashing is old-hat.

And do they even link to the story? (2)

SmileyBen (56580) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810379)

Meanwhile, apparently it's too much effort to even link to their own story explaining their poll, so that when Microsoft tries to use it as propaganda there's a big 'How this poll was rigged by Microsoft' link...

They just have to face it (1)

prof187 (235849) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810383)

Microsoft just has to face the fact that they can't be the "leader" (i say that rather lightly) in everything that they want to be. This is like shooting themself in the foot by adding one more thing to be added to their "monopoly." They should just calm down for a while, let the competition grow a little bit, and start again. I'm not a M$ fan or anything, but it seems to me that there are very easy ways for them to get out of the situation they are in

CmdrTaco Caught Cheating on JonKatz... (-1)

CmderTaco (533794) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810384)

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I'd like to say that I'm shocked.... (1)

TheLinuxWarrior (240496) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810385)

But seriously...is anyone ACTUALLY shocked that Microsoft did this? I just can't wait for the day when John Q. Public wakes up and smells the coffee, gets tired of the bullshit, and actually DOES something about it.

None of this candy assed, slap on the wrist crap that they usually get, but an off the top rope, full on corporate body slam!

Then maybe we'll get to see some real innovation and real consumer value for the first time in lord knows how long. Instead of all the lies, trickery, and burying of technology that we've seen up to now.

Suck onto my micropenis (-1)

Klerck (213193) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810388)

Don't forget to add me [slashdot.org] to your foes list! Fags!

Back by unpopular demand, more random number crapflooding!

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All results suspect? (0, Insightful)

ChadAmberg (460099) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810390)

Maybe they've been rigging the polls on the number of desktops running Windows? Maybe only a few hundred people world wide actually run Windows. But MS is going out and hitting every website that tracks usage. And they're also taking cues from Scientology. Only 300 CD's of XP were actually pressed. MS employees are going out, buying these copies, then sending them back through the supply chain, only to buy them again, thus inflating the sales numbers!!!

This should be a lesson to us (3, Insightful)

Saxifrage (111109) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810391)

Obviously, anyone who's ever tried to take a poll knows that everyone tries to vote multiple times. Of course, there's no easy way to know whether someone is doing it or not; IP logging only works for those with static IPs, and between dialup and large-environment DHCP God only knows that it's hard to do that.

I don't want to think about it this way, but maybe cookies are the way to go for this sort of thing?

Either that, or we need to stop thinking of Web polls as reliable.

-Sax

Press Release from Redmond: (5, Funny)

0xA (71424) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810392)

Microsoft anounces new "Hailstorm Zeigiest"

As show recently on the website www.ZDnet.com online polling is often subject to massive fraud and inapropriate uses. Microsoft has again chosen to lead the way in this expanding market with an extention to the Hailstorm initative called "Zeitgiest".

"Hailstorm.Zeitgeist.net will allow content creators new abilities to track online poll submitions and ensure acurate results", says Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates. "With this technology available our marketing departments will finaly be able to track down those whiny little.. Oh, wrong one." *FUMBLE* *FUMBLE* "This technology will will allow webmasters to do neat stuff with authentication", continued Gates.

When asked for his input CEO Steve Balmer added "DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS, DEVELOPERS!"

In possibly related news 1337 script kiddy Dr3am!D3m0n on the IRC channel #hax0r5 commented, "Oh cool. That dwarf thing was funny but I guarantee RMS is gonna be on People's 25 Sexiest Celebrities this year."

Sadly disappointing (2, Insightful)

bildstorm (129924) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810398)

You know, once upon a time, I was a big Microsoft fan. I liked how easy it was to do things, and how empowered I felt in running Windows. The other day I noticed (after a Google search) that Microsoft had a Content Management Server that was using .Net.

Over the past several years I've become very negative towards Microsoft, since my Windows constantly crashed, and they were clearly trying to shut out others.

About a week ago I thought to myself, well maybe there's just too my anti-Microsoft hype. Perhaps some of these e-mails being forwarded to The Register [theregister.co.uk] are just hoaxes.

But now today, ZDNet reveals Microsoft trying to disrupt things and act like a big bad monopoly. Now, ZDNet has kissed Microsoft's butt so often it isn't fun, and David Coursey who's now running Anchordesk is such a pro-Microsoft weenies I get sick. But there it is, on a ZDNet site (albeit the UK site, but still).

Guess the hype just ain't hype.

That's not rigging... (1)

Boone^ (151057) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810399)

Rigging a poll is what happens when CowboyNeal wins. :)

Oh my god! (1)

Zenjive (247697) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810409)

I'd better stop using /. polls for my government research!

Bugs (0, Flamebait)

brainman (444904) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810412)

That's why M$ software is full of bugs, and that's why they will fall in the next 10 years...

They spend most time with stupid things, instead of working on software QUALITY (if such thing is possible in the closed-source world)

Confessions from a slashdot poster (1)

Baalam (163817) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810416)

I personally rig every slashdot poll to be the rusult I desire.

Or are they....??? (2)

billmaly (212308) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810417)

Hmmmm...maybe someone from the "Linux Rulez" crowd has hacked it, made it look like MS was voting for themselves when really they weren't, revealed it, and MS is really innocent but looks like the big evil giant when really they have done no wrong because the d00d hacked the site......yeah, that's what happened!!!!

Plans within plans within plans!!!! :)

um, nice spin ZDNet puts on this nonetheless!! (2, Interesting)

Juln (41313) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810419)

".Net vote rigging illustrates importance of Web services"
Oh, I thought "Net Rigging Illustrates Dishonesty of Microsoft" or something like that, or perhaps the fact they they have a hard time imagining competing in a market where they don't have domination or some massive advantage.
"The inevitable conclusion is that these are some of the first salvos in what will be a bitter PR struggle. Microsoft may have shot itself in the foot this time, but future efforts may be a little more subtle."
Um, yeah, Microsoft just started their first PR war and they might start using sneaky tactics soon! Um, anyone can go read http://www.mackido.com/History/Where_is_stack.html if they think MS's tactics are anything new... the company has been doing the same shit for at least 10-15 years, if not more...
Well, I guess this dishnoesty probably wasn't official. More like just some sucky group of MS employees, I guess...

Online polls (0)

firebone (448123) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810422)

I imagine most all if not all online polls are rigged. How easy is it to post a link to a fan site or just a couple guys turn off their cookies/use proxies?

it was done on Uk "Stars In Their Eyes" too (1)

DrSkwid (118965) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810428)

back in the days when the web was new and exciting the UK "Start in Their Eyes" show included a section where viewers could vote online for the showcase final winner

a quick investigation revealed users could register multiple votes with a bit of cookie manipulation.

One script later and we had a winner (the geekiest of the contestants was chosen)

Was funny when the presenter, Matthew Kelly, said "and with a phenominal response on our website"

oh how we laughed.

hopefully it taught the techs at the show something

.

Wrong - Exchange doesnt send referer information (0)

gamorck (151734) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810434)

This is a hoax. Microsoft Exchange doesn't send referer information on click thru links within emails. I just tested it out. Either this was a clever hoax or you guys are just that gullible.

Take your pick - I perfer the later.

J
BR>
"Mod me down Please"

Hohum (4, Insightful)

Erasmus Darwin (183180) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810435)

First, I'm sure we've all seen "please vote for X" campaigns on the internet. Just because it happens to be Microsoft employees in this case doesn't make it particularly more interesting.

Second, Microsoft uses proxying for Internet-related stuff, which could make the multi-vote issue appear to be worse than it actually is, as many separate users would come from a single IP.

Third, yes, it seems someone ran a script from within the microsoft.com domain. That could've been anyone in the company with a PC. My bet is on "random stupid employee". If it were an actual conspiracy, I doubt they would've done it from something within the microsoft.com domain.

In short, it's the same bullshit that happens with every web poll. While it doesn't reflect well on the company, it almost certainly is the evil marketing conspiracy that everyone makes it out to be.

Lunch Time!!! (-1)

CmderTaco (533794) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810436)

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What this is, and what this isn't (5, Insightful)

jd (1658) | more than 12 years ago | (#2810439)

This is NOT about someone rigging an online opinion poll. That happens all the time, and more than a few polls have been Slashdotted in their time. It's no big deal, because most such polls have no significance.


Rather, this is about a company creating an illusion of popularity, in order to sell a technology and a philosophy that customers are hesitent to buy. People are keen to keep up with the Jonses, but nobody wants to be caught with a dead fish. Microsoft knows this. The only way .NET will sell is if people believe it already is.


THAT is the purpose of the ballot rigging. And this may actually be a further Monopoly violation. They are leveraging a monopoly in one area to create a monopoly in another. This is in violation of the Sherman Act, which Microsoft has been convicted of violating.


Should this "incident" be taken to the courts, as evidence of further legal violations, by the dissenting States, I could very well imagine the judge being extremely unhappy with Microsoft. Breaking the law that you're already on trial for breaking generally doesn't win many friends.


The leaked letters, alleging that Microsoft is trying to spy out Linux installations, and pressure companies into replacing them, during technical support calls, may also prove a bitter poison to Microsoft, come March.


This is not the mark of a company in fear. This is the mark of a company that has had its fear glands surgically removed, and is hell-bent on enslaving all minds and all technology to its will.


In short, Microsoft's recent attitudes are perfectly timed, given the recent LoTR movie release. Forget the Borg, Bill Gates is either Sauron or Morgoth.

Now, this is the sort of thing.... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2810442)

...that John bloody Ascroft needs to look into instead of new ways to subvert the Constitution!
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