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Talk to Sun's 'Open Source Diva'

Roblimo posted more than 12 years ago | from the pushing-nudging-cajoling dept.

Sun Microsystems 330

Danese Cooper is Manager of Sun's Open Source Program Office. A Google search on Danese turns up more than 1000 results. She's a frequent speaker at IT industry events and conferences, and is, without question, Sun's staunchest internal Open Source advocate. Sun is moving toward Open Source in fits and starts, and Danese is behind a lot of that motion. Feel free to ask her anything you want (one question per post. please) about the trials and tribulations of being an Open Source person within a company that hasn't yet fully grasped the concept, and how she goes about trying to change that. We'll post her answers to 10 of the highest-moderated questions within the next week or so. The only question she can't answer is whether/when Java might be Open Sourced. I already asked her, and she replied, "Sadly, I have no news on that..."

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Married? (-1, Troll)

AnonymousNonCoward (528209) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816676)

Being a women geek... do you get alot of male geek proposals?

Re:Married? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2816825)

Note to 'male geeks'. Girls are the same as boys, with different body parts. Grow up and try talking to some one day.

Re:Married? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2816933)

you're apparently not married.

Re:Married? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2816897)

and of course the coralary to the question:
how many sources have you had to open to get
where you are today ?

diva? (-1)

trollercoaster (250101) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816681)


You must be kidding me.

Props to the sporks.

Re:diva? (-1)

propstoalldeadhomiez (444303) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816717)

props to all dead homiez
props to all sporks

Re:diva? (-1)

Ralph JewHater Nader (450769) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816952)

You sir, belong in the ovens with all the dead jews.

How does it feel... (3, Interesting)

eaddict (148006) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816697)

to be a woman in such a male dominated field? How do you keep ahead of the game?

Re:How does it feel... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2816711)

> to be a woman in such a male dominated field?
> How do you keep from going on the game?

Now thats just not appropriate eaddict, is it.

Re:How does it feel... (-1, Troll)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816752)

to be a woman in such a male dominated field? How do you keep ahead of the game?

A followup: Age? Appearance? Have any naked photos? Do any photo shoots with Stevie Case?

Re:How does it feel... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2816814)

Steve Case is AOL. Scott McNealy is Sun. Get your dirtbags, I mean CEO's straight.

Re:How does it feel... (3, Flamebait)

yatest5 (455123) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816798)

to be a woman in such a male dominated field? How do you keep ahead of the game?

Jesus christ you sexist twat - do you think that maybe she keeps ahead of the game in exactly the same way as other *male* human beings? Maybe?

Re:How does it feel... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2816883)

sucking up vs sucking off.

Re:How does it feel... (1, Funny)

laserjet (170008) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816922)



Funny, you call some one sexist and follow it with a derogatory term for a female body part (the vagina). On top of that, you offend Christians across the board by using Jesus Christ's name for no apparent reason, certainly not one pertaining to Christ.

Practice what you preach.

Practicing what I preach (-1)

Ralph JewHater Nader (450769) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816966)

Sure thing. I hate jews and I kill as many of them as possible. I kill the odd nigger when I get the chance.

OpenOffice (5, Interesting)

kvandivo (207171) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816699)

Is Sun moving to put more resources into the
OpenOffice initiative?

question (-1)

Sexual Asspussy (453406) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816703)

as a bitch, do you feel the hours spent buying shoes and frilly clothing cut into your work time?

how about PMS, does that affect your job?

BOFH (-1, Offtopic)

The BOFH Troll (549884) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816704)

It's mid-afternoon, and we're in the middle of our annual 'improve the perception of IT' fortnight. Things are going just great.

The boss has a bee in his bonnet about my liberal interpretation of the promotional slogan 'delivering what the client needs'. Apparently, my
helpdesk instruction sheets on how to deliver 'a damn good kicking' weren't within the intended scope of the motto...

He was in an even worse mood after the hand-proximity sensor on the line printer failed to operate while he was attempting to stop said
instruction sheets from printing. The fast moving paper gave him a large and deep paper cut that he won't be forgetting in a hurry. And the
PFY and I certainly don't know how that heavily salted water got into the first aid antiseptic bottle.

But his irritation began after spotting a publicity photo of one of the members of the company's football team (sponsored by the IT division)
walking around with his football jersey untucked. Beautifully crafted, and costing enough to make a beancounter weep, the jerseys have a
lovely little IT crest (a couple of crossed keyboards on a burning PC background, emblazoned on the left breast). The words 'IT - giving you
more' are in large letters on the back. When untucked however, the words 'of a shafting' become visible. The boss was not impressed.

The PFY and I make no attempts to escape his wrath knowing full well that he has to pass the head of IT's room to get to us. He's not so
keen on doing that since some complete bastard uploaded a new ring sound to the head's cellphone - a sound not dissimilar to that made by a
lentil casserole after its trip through the digestive tract.

Accordingly, the IT department managers' meeting he attended this morning was a swift affair, and certainly not one that really should have
been 'aired' as a live video conference and PR opportunity. Even the cafeteria staff saw it and wouldn't serve him the onion bhajis at
lunchtime.

Not that I feel sorry for the boss. The whole 'improve the perception of IT' initiative was all his fault in the first place for mentioning that it
'must be about that time of the year' to the head of IT.

No-one likes these PR weeks because the bosses like to answer all those stupid user questions such as: 'Can I send 1,000 copies of my CV to
the printer? Can I talk to one of your network guys for an hour or two?' and 'Do you know who set my car on fire?' with 'yes', 'yes', and
'no' instead of the far more appropriate 'not if you want to see another birthday, not if you want to see another birthday', and, 'us, we
thought it was your birthday.'

But the thing that really puts the boss under the gun is that he's invoked a 'response time' clause in our contracts that was meant for call-out
duties which says we have to respond within a reasonable amount of time to a user's problems.

In PR week, 'reasonable' means 10 minutes. Now perhaps the boss can have a good game of MDK in 10 minutes, but a networking
professional cannot!

Sure enough, I'm just firing up MDK when the phone goes.

"Hello?"

"Yes?" I ask, expecting the worst.

"I've got a problem with my network."

Here we go...

"Hmmm?" Why waste words on these morons? They're much happier with a bit of grunting and a few soothing clucking noises.

"It's a little difficult to explain over the phone - could someone come up?"

Sigh.

I flip the PFY for it and am stunned when I lose. Then I realise that the little bastard has switched my double headed 50 pence for a double
tail model.

It really does me proud to see him turning out so well.

Of course, I still won't be telling him that I removed the safety grille from the whirring blades of the cooling fan at the back of his PC, but
there you go.

I get to the user's office and it's the same old thing. They moved the PC and the network stopped.

"But it never used to do that."

"No, but now that we don't use thin wire network cabling it does."

"That doesn't sound like a good move."

I manage to extricate myself an hour later (after the story about how technology was much more reliable in the 1950s) and get back to the
office.

The PFY chuckles maliciously.

"He rang back - the lead's fallen out of the computer and he's scared to plug it in."

"A separate call," I cry, "that makes it your turn!"

"Toss you for it?" he asks, not understanding where the line should be drawn.

"I'll go for tails for a change."

"Bastard!" Sensibly, the PFY doesn't admit to anything.

"Oh, by the way, make sure to mention how reliable IT is nowadays, especially when compared to the 1950s..."

The PFY grumbles a bit before slouching over to the door.

"Have you seen my access card?"

"Yeah," I reply, "I needed it to get into the comms room this morning. I think it fell down the back of your PC. On the cooling fan side..."

Microsoft Judgement Effect? (3, Interesting)

Sierpinski (266120) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816705)

I would like to know what you think of the antitrust situation with Microsoft, and how it would/could positively affect the open source market nowadays.

Much appreciated.

Re:Microsoft Judgement Effect? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2816847)

This comes up in every interview. I could just see an interview with a Pepsi exec and somebody asking about the Microsoft Anti-Trust suit and its effect on Cola sales. I mean, you know she is probably going to say no comment. God forbid she says something that can be used by Microsoft. They have PR departments for stuff like that.

Money From Open Source/Free Software (5, Interesting)

Hasie (316698) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816709)

A large number of open source/free software companies have ceased to exist in the last while because they couldn't make money from a free product.


In light of this do you believe that it is possible to make money from open source/free software alone or does a company need a hardware arm like Sun?

Has StarOffice been a failure? (4, Interesting)

Ars-Fartsica (166957) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816715)

This might seem like a thinly veiled attack in the form of a question, but it doesn't appear the StarOffice has really made a dent in Microsoft's ownership of the office suite market. Did Sun waste their time and money on this project?

Re:Has StarOffice been a failure? (1)

Sobrique (543255) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816781)

The odd thing is, I heard that StarOffice 6 was going to cost money.
For a couple of reasons - a lot of corporate cultures equate free with worthless, and for the benefit of bundled software sellers so they can say 'This PC comes with $600 worth of software'
I don't know if that means it'll be available on a 'free use' license or not though. (which might sound odd, but I understand that their strategy behind this project is to take office suite market share away from microsoft).

Re:Has StarOffice been a failure? (0)

morbid (4258) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816782)

Give it a chance, it takes people time to come around to new (alternative things). From what I've heard, people are pretty positive about StarOffice and are impressed that it's available for free.
Remember, there are a lot of people out there who aren't aware even that Word/Excel etc are programs and you can install different ones...believe me, the estate agents I rent through are a case in point.

You forget (2)

CptnHarlock (136449) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816891)

That StarOffice was not developed bu SUN from the start. They bought it from some german company which name curently eludes me.

In my company we have 2 MS Office Licenses (one 97 and one 2k) and the rest of us run StarOffice 5.2. It saves us some cash and spares us time in the evergoing "keep-your-licenses-at-handy-just-in-case-struggle ".

Now that SUN moved away from the "let's teake over the desktop" strategy used in 5.2 I think that the suite will become even more attractive.

Cudos to SUN from me and my pals for keeping StarOffice alive. We NEED alternatives. No matter if the are free or not.

Cheers..

Open source for everything? (5, Insightful)

mfarah (231411) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816724)

While it's true that a lot of "attractive/sexy" work can be done via open source methods, there's still some areas that traditional programming models (i.e., closed source) still function better (even though ESR says otherwise in The Cathedral & the Bazaar [oreilly.com] ). What, in your opinion, is the proper balance between open source and closed source methods Sun should strive to?

Re:Open source for everything? (1)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816784)

Wish I had mod points.

I was about to ask the same thing. Although, it may not be an attractive question to open source zealots, I'd love to hear her opinion on it.

Moderators, please moderate parent up!

Competition with other Open Source OS's (5, Interesting)

Vic (6867) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816725)

The popularity of Linux, *BSD, and other open source operating systems has continually increased over the last 10 years, and in many cases, it is replacing the proprietary technology offered by traditional UNIX vendors.

Does Sun feel at all threatened by the increasing awareness and usage of other open source UNIX-like operating systems? Does Sun feel open-sourcing their software is a necessary step to compete with the free operating systems and software?

Question about Solaris x86 (0, Troll)

Frothy Walrus (534163) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816733)

How does it feel to work for the only company ever pushed out of a market by Open Source Software?

Re:Question about Solaris x86 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2816780)

hahahahaha another +1, Sad But True

Not fully grasped? (3, Insightful)

JamesOfTheDesert (188356) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816734)

... the trials and tribulations of being an Open Source person within a company that hasn't yet fully grasped the concept, ...

Um, I'm pretty sure Sun *has* grasped the concept, but it doesn't suit their busines model.

But, for a question, how about "What is the general understanding of OSS at Sun?"

Open Source Solaris? (5, Interesting)

Sobrique (543255) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816735)

Since Solaris X86 is not going to be supported any more, is there any chance of getting that 'donated' to the user community?
I appreciate that there's a fair chunk of intellectual property in there (and probably a fair amount of overlap with Sparc), but it'd be nice to see.

Re:Open Source Solaris? (1)

rcamera (517595) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816860)

if solaris were to be open-source, who would actually do anything with it? doesn't solaris only run on sun-boxes? and who would waste time porting solaris to x86 architecture when we already have a few good open-source os's. i've never seen a solaris kernel-panic, but i've never seen a linux kernel-panic (except when i make mistakes in my own kernel code).

Re:Open Source Solaris? (2, Informative)

Howie (4244) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816917)

Solaris has been available for intel since about 1994.

Sun actually had SunOS available on i386 before that (on the Sun 386i).

Re:Open Source Solaris? (1)

Sobrique (543255) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816925)

I would, I reckon it's great :)
Besides, Solaris 8 has some fairly funky stuff which IMHO would be valuable to perhaps merge with one of the free OSs (or alternatively the other way round).
Solaris isn't only on Suns (although IMHO it's better that way), there's an intel version of it. Unfortunately, they're not going to be doing Solaris 9 for intel anymore (The Register's article) [theregister.co.uk]

Re:Open Source Solaris? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2816931)

Did you read his post? Sun has made an x86 port for Solaris (since 7 I believe). They just announced that they were going to discontinue it.

Re:Open Source Solaris? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2816967)

few good open-source os's

Yeah, but we still need an industrial strength open-source OS. Solaris would do perfectly. Linux/BSD for low-to-mid range servers and desktop and Solaris for the high end.

Re:Open Source Solaris? (2)

X (1235) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816928)

Solaris x86 is, for the most part, Solaris Sparc + some device drivers and a microkernel that are x86 specific. So, releasing just the x86 components of Solaris might not achieve too much.

Why is Open Source right for Sun? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2816736)

If I understand Sun correctly, they are, predominantly, a hardware company. They make most of their money on hardware sales and services to support that hardware.

Why, then, would it be in Suns best interest to move towards open source when that movement could lead customers to a move away from their hardware?

Thanks,

Re:Why is Open Source right for Sun? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2816974)

Predominantly hardware? Maybe in revenue (considering what their equipment costs) but maybe you've heard of Java? or Star Office? or Jini? or Solaris? or iPlanet?

Corporate culture (5, Interesting)

Stephan Schulz (948) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816737)

How is the corporate culture within SUN? As far as I an tell, it started out as a hacker company, with strong ties into academia. Now it seems to have switched into "serious business" mode and sells most of it's hardware with and to suits.


But how is the internal climate?

Why are you working to advance OSS? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2816740)

Open Source is, at best, only useful for creating a toy operating system. At worst it is the kind of subversive force in America that Stalin only dreamed of creating.

There are "cells" reporting to unknown leaders that only go by names like "L33t_Kernal_Hax0r" that cannot be located - after all, "living in my momma's basement cause I have no real world skills to speak of" is not a true street address.

There is the Marxist concept of "give what you can, take what you need." Only, none of these people can give anything, excepting the few heroes of the revolution that have their own roach filled apartments and must give blow jobs in parks monthly to meet their rent. Yet, they all feel the need to take, take, take. MP3s? "We must have them! It is about freedom for the artists!!" Software? "We must have it for free! It will be good then!!" Movies? "Yes, we must have them for free!!!" Of course, the dirty secret all of these "give it to me free!!!" people are trying to hide is that they have no resources to actually acquire anything legitimate, due to their pathetic skill set and the fact that society has no use for them.

Society, in fact, had no use for them even during their formative years. That's why their lunch money was stolen. Darwin's law was trying to assert itself, but overprotectively indulgent parenting prevented such a thing from happening.

Fitting Open Soruce in a Corporate Environment (5, Interesting)

Marx_Mrvelous (532372) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816745)

I work for a very large company (fortune 100), and we are, very slowly, moving towards using open-source programs like Linux, Apache, etc. The IT department likes and supports these applications, but it's very difficult to convince management that these applications have the same stability and reliability that commercial applications do. What is the best way to approach management to help evaluate open soruce solutions to the problems we face?

Re:Fitting Open Soruce in a Corporate Environment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2816957)

Why would she want you to move to Linux and Apache? I would think she'd rather you moved to Solaris and iPlanet (which is a Netscape/Sun Alliance).

How to be persuasive about Open Source. (5, Interesting)

neo (4625) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816750)

When I try to explain open source to people who are pure capitalist, I have a hard to time explaining what can be gained. For people who are used to the concepts of Copyright and Patents, the idea that you can create value and profit from giving away ideas seems counter intuative.

How do you explain Open Source to people driven by profit in a persuasive way?

Past Losses And Future Hopes (1)

Catiline (186878) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816753)

With the recent announcement of no x86 Solaris 9 [slashdot.org] , do you forsee aditional problems within Sun as more projects (potentially) move to 64-bit chip archetectures? (I mean to exclude external factors such as the potential that the consumer chip market may to fail to transit toward 64 bit chips.)

open source != gpl (0, Interesting)

rnd() (118781) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816754)

How "open" do you think the source needs to be in order to reap the benefits of the bazaar, i.e., which of the following is your favorite license(GPL, LGPL, Sun's Public License, etc.)?

Lastly, what will Sun's biggest challenges be in moving forward with Open Source Software in the future?

A list of licenses follows for reference...

The GNU General Public License (GPL) [slashdot.org]

The GNU Library or "Lesser" Public License (LGPL) [slashdot.org]

The BSD license [slashdot.org]

The MIT license [slashdot.org]

The Artistic license [slashdot.org]

The Mozilla Public License v. 1.0 (MPL) [slashdot.org]

The Qt Public License (QPL) [slashdot.org]

The IBM Public License [slashdot.org]

The MITRE Collaborative Virtual Workspace License (CVW License) [slashdot.org]

The Ricoh Source Code Public License [slashdot.org]

The Python license [slashdot.org] (CNRI Python License)

The Python Software Foundation License [slashdot.org]

The zlib/libpng license [slashdot.org]

The Apache Software License [slashdot.org]

The Vovida Software License v. 1.0 [slashdot.org]

The Sun Industry Standards Source License (SISSL) [slashdot.org]

The Intel Open Source License [slashdot.org]

The Mozilla Public License 1.1 (MPL 1.1) [slashdot.org]

The Jabber Open Source License [slashdot.org]

The Nokia Open Source License [slashdot.org]

The Sleepycat License [slashdot.org]

The Nethack General Public License [slashdot.org]

The Common Public License [slashdot.org]

The Apple Public Source License [slashdot.org]

The X.Net License [slashdot.org]

The Sun Public License [slashdot.org]

The Eiffel Forum License [slashdot.org]

The W3C License [slashdot.org]

The Motosoto License [slashdot.org]

The Open Group Test Suite License [slashdot.org]

Re:open source != gpl (2)

ishark (245915) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816790)

A list of licenses follows for reference...

A list of Error 404 - file not found links....
I'm still wondering if this is a simple error or a very funny joke about the endless number of licenses.... :)

Why isn't JBoss certified? (5, Interesting)

revscat (35618) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816757)

There has been some speculation that Sun is uncomfortable with certifying JBoss [jboss.org] as a J2EE-compliant container. Mark Fleury, president of the JBoss team, has said "Sun quoted a price for that certification suite that is beyond the current financial resources of the JBoss team." Is there any possibility that Sun will relax these certification fee requirements for open-source initiatives such as JBoss, especially when they meet the technical requirements as specified by Sun?

- Rev.

^^ My Favourite (1)

Mr Thinly Sliced (73041) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816797)

Go revscat. I'd love to see JBoss in a position to market to suits higher up in companies - until they have certification, thats a steep hill to climb.

OpenOffice and Sun perceptions (5, Interesting)

ACK!! (10229) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816760)

I was wondering what contributions of the OpenOffice group actually made it into StarOffice 6.0 beta? Did only contributions make it in or is 6.0 based off of OpenOffice code?

Also, will Sun try this year to combat the misconception that buying Sun means spending big bucks on hardware?

After all the $999 Netras and Sunblades have played well in Unix-only houses but the common IT professional still seems to think they have to beaucoup bucks to be a Sun house?

_____________________________________

Internal resistance (5, Interesting)

inerte (452992) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816762)

What are the internal resistances (from upper management, for example) that you face on your daily work to promote Open Source inside Sun?

What arguments are people that work with you using to counter-attack your proposals? And do you feel (or know) that this is also how other big companies react inside their offices to Open Source in general?

not as popular as all that... (1, Offtopic)

nwetters (93281) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816769)

She has a common surname. Here's the correct search [google.com] , which returns 212 results.

Leaving x86 market (2, Interesting)

jammer 4 (34274) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816778)

What were the motivations and decisions regarding the decision to leave the x86 market? And, does Sun see it's move as a "capitulation" to the Open Source OS's that currently reign on the x86 platform?

google search (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2816783)

a search for my full name returns 38,000 results.
does this mean i am 38 times more popular than Danese?

Does she have a middle name? A search for just my first and last names returns 68,000 results, and just my first name returns 10,400,000 results (my co-worker has me beat - his first name returns 11,400,000)

All those google returns for 'danese cooper' aren't about the Danese Cooper in question. Neither are all the returns for my name (though the first 3 are me)

Open Source, politics or economics? (5, Interesting)

MongooseCN (139203) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816785)

Do you think companies use Open Source as a political statement to say that they support individual consumers freedom? By allowing individuals to see how a product works and to contribute back to it. Or are companies finding that Open Source can give them an economic advantage over closed source in the software industry?

Open Source Java (4, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816788)

The only question she can't answer is whether/when Java might be Open Sourced.

Me, too. Me, too.

This is the only thing that interests me, and I've often felt the way to keep the Microsoft wolves at bay was to Open Source Java, which I feel would push it much further than Sun can. Keeping a lid on Java may be the best gift to Redmond in terms of .NET acceptance, not that having hoards of PHB's saying, "Nobody ever got fired for choosing IBM^H^H^HMicrosoft", hurts their efforts.

If I had a question, which she may be demurring on already, it would be, "What's the big obstacle? Or is it one of those Committee things, where nobody will accept respobsibility for standing in the way and points fingers at the Committee"? I'll understand, if in the interests of preserving her position she can't answer that, either.

This whole topic is overrated (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2816951)

Come on folks, you preach this mantra like your lives depended on it.

Tell me substantively what difference it makes if Java is open sourced or not. I'm not saying it doesn't matter, but I haven't heard much in the way of substantial arguments aside from the unquestioned slashdot dogma.

Java is free, and there is a community process for making changes. Is there anyone out there who isn't using Java based on its closed source?? Be truthful here folks, and by the way your argument is shot down automatically if you also employ another closed platform such as AIX or Oracle.

What are the motives? (1)

Hooya (518216) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816789)

For a corporation, whose primary goal is to make money, what are the motives for going open source/FS? A number of companies seem to be using it for PR purposes rather than as a way to make money. How are you planning on bringing in more revenue by going open source and not just use it as a 'loss leader'? Or, since Sun is a hardware company, are you planning on using it primarily as a 'loss leader' for more hardware sale ala IBM?

Re:What are the motives? (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816851)

Sun [sun.com] is not just a hardware company. They provide services, too, check their webpage to see what Products and Solutions they list. Open Source refinement and enhancement of their product line would help in improving those revenues.

Mono / .NET (5, Interesting)

paulywog (114255) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816792)

Articles keep comparing J2EE and .NET. One of the unquestionable advantages of J2EE in an enterprise environment is its cross platform capabilities (specifically the ability to run on powerful high-end UNIX servers). With the Mono [go-mono.com] project building an open source, cross platform, .NET compatible framework, do you have any fear that the .NET style framework for web services might become more of a competition to J2EE than without the Mono project? Would Sun ever consider supporting Mono to enourage interroperability between J2EE and .NET components, or is this an example of an open source project potentially damaging Sun?

Danese vs. CmdrTaco! (1, Offtopic)

Spackler (223562) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816795)

A Google search [google.com] of CmdrTaco gets about 12,000 hits. I guess we know who would be on top in that relationship!

Open source and organizations (1)

f00zbll (526151) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816800)

How does Sun percieve open source and organization like apache and oasis in the context of cooperation and competition when it comes to protocol and java standards. An example of this might be jdk and webservers. At what point does Sun percieve open source and organization as a threat to Sun's own products?

Don't wait for Sun to Free Java (1, Offtopic)

Carl (12719) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816802)

Don't wait till Sun is finally "ready" to make the Java Platform Free Software. Use what we already have today.

The GNU Classpath project (http://www.classpath.org/) brings us the standard Java runtime libraries (except Swing, but see below). And they have recently merged with GCJ (http://gcc.gnu.org/java) which allows you to compile your applications to native code. You can even mix and match interpreted Java bytecode, with native compiled Java libraries and C++ code (http://gcc.gnu.org/java/papers/cni/t1.html)!

Then you use the GNOME java bindings (http://java-gnome.sf.net/) or the KDE java bindings (http://developer.kde.org/language-bindings/java/) and you have a great programming language integrated with a free desktop environment.

There are even free J2EE things out their such as JBoss (http://www.jboss.org) and Jakarta (jakarta.apache.org). Sun now even includes parts of that project into their own (proprietary) Java platform releases!

Hey baby, wanna wrestle? (0, Offtopic)

dills (102733) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816806)

Not having any idea how you look, I'm curious: As one of the few high-profile she-nerds, do you find geeks coming on to you often? If so, what approaches seem to be the most common?

Re:Hey baby, wanna wrestle? (0, Offtopic)

yatest5 (455123) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816854)

Gee, I wonder why you linux geeks can't get laid...

This is an opportunity to talk to an open-source expert from Sun, the fact that she is a woman should not be one of the main talking points. But it is, which shows what a bunch of sadacts some of you are.

Expansion of Java Byte Code Usage? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2816808)

I'm wondering if Sun is planning to build compilers for other languages to Java Byte Code.

It seems that the bigg difference between .net and Java is that Microsoft is promoting the use of multiple languages comiling to their byte code while Sun has always focused on only using Java to compile to the byte code used in the VM.

If Sun had done the same several years ago I think they could have attracted more developers because developers tend to be prejudiced about their coding languages.

So, is Sun planning to embrace other languages or keep Java as a focus?

Thanks

JBoss and Tomcat. (5, Interesting)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816816)

Will you support JBoss and Tomcat for the Java community?
For independent individuals to become J2EE experts, they need a web container to train on. The only inexpensive solution is Tomcat and JBoss (both open source solutions). And JBoss is the first to support the newest version of EJBs (2.0).
I would find it in your best interest to support both projects. What does the future hold for Sun, Tomcat, and JBoss?

Re:JBoss and Tomcat. (3, Informative)

Howie (4244) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816861)

Ummm, I don't know about JBoss, but isn't Tomcat the reference implementation of Sun's specs?

advertising (1)

visualight (468005) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816823)

I prefer OpenOffice over MS Office because the filter/sort functions work better for me. I recently started showing OpenOffice to my AA and it occurred to me that (probably anyway) no one I know has ever heard of OpenOffice.

If Sun's return from OpenOffice is a)breaking MS's monopoly hold on office productivity software, and b)endearing Sun to the Open Source community, then a major goal for the OpenOffice team should be attracting more users.

Do you see Sun paying for airtime to boost the "nongeek" userbase of OpenOffice?

Financial aspects (2)

mirko (198274) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816827)

As the Open-Source person in a commercially successfull company, do you manage to actually have positive financial results or are you just working in order to advertise Sun's openness ?
How is your position perceived inside your company ?
Do you spend your time fight ing to get a budget ? Do your business plan includes the placement of Sun consultants in big companies ?

Thank You! (1)

Dom2 (838) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816832)

Finally, FreeBSD will get a native Java for 4.5. This is a very positive outcome of Sun's!

-Dom

"Linux" package management / GNU utils (5, Insightful)

Erich (151) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816837)

Solaris has had packages for a long time, but nothing compares to Debian or RedHat as far as package management goes. With Solaris I can download patch clusters and run them all in a script, but it's not nearly as easy "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade". Similarly, hunting down some package and all the utilities it requires and compiling them all is much more tedious than "apt-get install that_package".

Do you see Solaris incorporating some of the package management features found in Linux systems?

Also, Unix vendors many times have very feature-incomplete versions of utilities compared to their respective GNU versions. For instance, GNU tar (while lacking some of the Solaris tar options) has many features that are extremely handy. Do you see Unix vendors in the future incorporating more free tools over the proprietary ones they have, and if so what do you think the time frame is? Do you think that Unix vendors that move towards GNU tools and make their installations more "Linux"-like will have an edge, or will moving to unfamiliar tools be a hindrance?

SUN's view open source versions of .NET like Mono? (1)

eyefish (324893) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816839)

I'd like to know how SUN views efforts like Mono to create an open source .Net for anyone to use. Will this have an effect in SUN possibly changing its mind on making Java open source? (note that I did not ask whether SUN will make Java open source or when).
My concern is that Microsoft's Common Language Runtime (CLR) could one day undermine the efforts that have made the Java Virtual Machine (JVM) so popular.

Big Iron, Little Iron (5, Interesting)

bfree (113420) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816840)

Do you forsee Sun having their own OS in 10 years time or do you forsee Sun selling hardware with their own optimsed version of another OS? If Yes, are we likely to see such an evolution climbing up your chain from the small workstations up to the big iron OR will we see a new OS for all boxes at once? Will Sun ever make an offer like IBM's offer for AIX with Solaris i.e. "You can have anything you want from our OS"?

Sun's credibility with the open source community (4, Interesting)

X (1235) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816841)

Sun seems to have a lot of credibility problems with the open source community. Moves like SCSL, Jini, and limited support for SparcLinux have all lead to a mixed view of Sun. In some ways, I think the reason for this is that Sun didn't drink the open source "Kool Aid".

So my questions are: do you encounter these credibility problems? Are they a problem for you? Are you (or Sun) doing anything to change these perceptions?

Major Goals (1)

CuOsc (544462) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816846)

What are the major goals that you would like to achieve at Sun in the next 5 years?

Google count (1)

Sklivvz (167003) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816859)

<joke>
A Google search on Danese turns up more than 1000 results

So? If I search my name [google.com] on Google [google.com] (and it's not a common name) I get 3000+ results. Why doesn't /. interview me, uh? :-))))))

Guess these are the privileges of being a stupid rock star [powersymphony.com] ...
</joke>

OT: She's not the only one. (2)

reaper20 (23396) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816862)

about the trials and tribulations of being an Open Source person within a company that hasn't yet fully grasped the concept, and how she goes about trying to change that.

Geez Robin, you act like she's the only one, aren't most of us in that boat? I would guess that not all of us work with OSS-knowledgeable PHBs. They're learning slowly, but it takes time.

Revenue? (1)

ChaseTec (447725) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816865)

Do you see open source software at Sun generating any positive income (and in what fashion) or is it mostly about making Sun hardware a viable alternative to pc's with MS software (and linux to some degree)?

Open Source Business Plan (0, Flamebait)

yatest5 (455123) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816878)

1. Open source software
2. //Too drunk, implement later
3. PROFIT!!!!!

Working at Sun? (2, Interesting)

broody (171983) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816869)

How would you characterize the work environment at Sun? Do you have any insider's advice for those of us caught up in the recent market downtown who are looking for new challenges at Sun?

Sure it may seem cheesy but whatever it takes...

Please read this document [broody.org] .

Does the Slashdot Cruiser have an airbag? (-1, Offtopic)

USian Pie (442971) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816872)

I'd hate to hit a tree at 30 mph and end up looking like this guy [islandrecords.com] .

Integrity (5, Interesting)

augustz (18082) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816875)

Sun made an enourmous amount of noise about how it was Java was going to be an open standard. But after trying to prevert the standards process by becoming a "Publically Available Submitter", then withdrawing its application and attempting to get the ECMA to rubber stamp, then withdrawing from the ECMA as well, the simple fact is Java has lived up to none of its standardization promises. It claims a "covanent" [sun.com] with its users that means they all want Sun to milk them dry with licensing fees, but thats hard to beleive. Other standards like Ethernet seem to have done relatively well compatability wise, while using Java across multiple platforms is an exercise in frustration.

At what point do users and developers need to pull the rug out from under vendors who consistently lie, such as Sun? What surprisies me here is that people seem to require no moral or ethical dimension to a company, despite the actual business harm dealing with such a company poses. There have been a number of other cases where soon-to-be open sourced software went closed source, so the danger in these situations is real.

Microsoft, after a long history of BS, actually seems to be doing the right thing with C# standards wise, and I suppose the proof will be in the pudding if go-mono.com and the GNU Portable .NET are actually allowed to implement the spec freely. I for one am certainly hoping that the folks who play fairly in this space win out, and in that case Microsoft deserves the prize. Is it possible C# will be a standard everyone can use freely before Java becomes one?

What happens to Solaris 9? (2)

abischof (255) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816882)

Since there's not going to be x86 support [linuxworld.com.au] for Solaris 9, is there any chance that maybe Solaris 9 could be eventually Open Sourced (to at least allow for the possibility of an x86 version), à la Quake II [slashdot.org] ?

Jajajaja! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2816888)

El mensaje... primero!

Are you... (-1, Offtopic)

steadph (267458) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816890)

Single? :)

Uh, (-1, Offtopic)

yatest5 (455123) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816898)

Uh, do you, like, have, uh breasts and that? What size are they? Can I feel them? I'm feeling them now unnh uhhhh.

Open Source must mean higher growth rate (1)

nomadicGeek (453231) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816902)

Obviously Sun will only pursue an Open Source strategy if they are convinced that they can achieve higher revenue growth than with the existing strategy.

As I see it, Sun sells hardware/software solutions. In most cases it is your software that makes your hardware so valuable. If you give away the software and make it freely available to competitors then your margins will inevitably shrink as you lose competitive advantage.

How will Sun maintain its margins and how will an Open Source strategy lead it to higher revenue growth?

Open Source freaks (-1)

core10k (196263) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816910)

Dumb fucks. You're given the Moon so you try to take the Earth and the Sun.

What, is having the source code not good enough for you?

Try unzipping src.jar and you'll see the source code for the entire Java API. Look! It's right there!

Shit, even if you DIDN'T have the source code, it wouldn't matter, since there's a near-1:1 mapping between the source code and the compiled byte code. (Try downloading Jad and playing with it if you don't believe me)

What more do you want than the source code? WTF?!

Re:Open Source freaks (-1)

Ralph JewHater Nader (450769) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816987)

I for one want the jews dead. All of them.

Danese? Would you like do see my penis? (-1)

CmderTaco (533794) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816916)

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Justification for OS Within Sun (1)

ginge (512945) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816927)

How do you feel Open Source software is in Sun's commercial interests, and is this basis on which you have to justify Sun's involvement in it to others within Sun?

Why don't Sun rig more polls? (2)

PhilHibbs (4537) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816939)

As we heard today [slashdot.org] , Microsoft rigged a ZDNet poll [zdnet.co.uk] to make .Net look more popular than Java. What do you think of this as a tactic, and why aren't Sun keeping up with industry practices? :-)

Does it hurt to hold your @ss open like this? (-1)

CmderTaco (533794) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816945)

Wait, wrong interview...
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How can we help..... (5, Interesting)

oobeleck (313907) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816948)

Most /.ers work with a number of Unix distros.(Solaris being one of them) I like many others would like to see Sun embrace the Open Source movement more fully. As customers/admins what can we do to help you push Sun more in this direction? Can you give us some practical ways to help you? (i.e. email decisionmaker@sun.com and kindly request more involvement from Sun)

Meaning of open source diva? (1)

vNadiumo (549212) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816949)

I feel personaly more confortable when "vocal" open source advocates or "divas" have a well established history of contributing outstanding code to the community. It's only fit that Stallman who wrote most of the emacs code or Linus who wrote (well you know) are allowed to the media headlines. I personnaly don't know what Mrs. Cooper achievements have been before being named an "Open source diva", so I'd like to know more about that. In other words, what makes Mrs. Cooper special beyond being one of the few person believing in Open Source at Sun Inc. ? This might be enough to warrant attention for some, but not for me...

Aren't you kinda ashamed? (1)

WildBeast (189336) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816960)

Why did you accept the job opportunity at Sun? Is it in your career plan to work for an evil company?

Photo of Danese Cooper (2, Informative)

cbowland (205263) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816970)

For all those who are dying to see what
she [sun.com] looks like....

Getting a financial company to make the switch (4, Interesting)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 12 years ago | (#2816984)

While most discussion revolves around software companies moving to open source, how do you think other large companies such as the international investment firm I work for be convinced to switch to open source? I guess this is a question more of your customers. I want my company to move to GNU/Linux and open source, but being on the Microsoft train for so long they are afraid to even look at other options. How will Sun get their customers to embrace open source? (And any suggestions on how I can convince my company to switch would be much appreciated!)
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