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Yahoo News Posts Advertisements as News

CmdrTaco posted more than 12 years ago | from the sinking-to-a-new-low dept.

The Internet 396

An anonymous reader writes "Yahoo is now putting ad banners as news stories. This is highly misleading and is an awesome way to sell out." I don't really think Yahoo has been sold in in a few years, but this is a new level of yucky. No doubt it is a sign of things to come: the news is the ad. The ad is the news. It's one step worse then the bizarre advertising/news merge that was amazingly evident when Disney/ABC was doing with Monsters Inc while Time/Warner/AOL/CNN was hyping Harry Potter. Oh, in case they change it, basically they have a list of news stories, and one of them links simply to a page advertising (not surprisingly) X-10. The link isn't marked as an ad -- its simply one of the headlines in the news list. It's one thing to have more ads... it's another to simply disguise the ad as actual news. Update The ad was yanked. For those who missed it, there were a dozen news articles, but one was an advertisement. It was indistinguishable from the actual news.

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could it be? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2819103)

FP
naw

Re:could it be? (-1, Offtopic)

josquint (193951) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819123)

YEEES!!! I DID IT WAHOO!! :)
i'm still not gonna let you know who i am!

DAMN the moderators are fast though.. 22 seconds and i'm -1 Offtopic
good work %-)

Re:could it be? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2819249)

DAMMIT.. forgot the "post anonymous" thingy.. DAMN
lost 2 freakin karma on that one..
so i'll make you waste a mod point!!!!

The Turd Report 01/10/2002 (-1)

The Turd Report (527733) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819106)

I had an odd experience this morning. I went to take my Good Morning Shit and it produced a turd much like yesterdays. It was hard to get out and was very small. It was exactly like yesterdays. So, I went back to my desk to start another ignorance filled day. I wasn't at my desk for more than five minutes when I felt like I had to shit again. Bad. I got to the bathroom ASAP. I shat again and it was semi-solid. It was almost explosive in force. It was a generic brown and stunk like low tide at the shore. I wiped as quickly as possible and got out of there. It is 30 minutes later and it still stinks in there. Some cow-orker just commented on it. He says it smells like a burning tire dunp in there. It also smells in the hallway and in the breakroom. I rate this turd as a 8.

Get an digital camera (0, Funny)

afree87 (102803) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819113)

Buy a digital camera [x10.com] today!

Are you sure? (4, Redundant)

SnowDog_2112 (23900) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819121)

I noticed today that Yahoo started putting ads up that interrupt you -- i.e. you click a headline and an add page comes up, with a link to the real story -- forcing you to find the link and absorb the ad for a second.

Is this all we're talking about, or is there something more "sinister" going on that I missed?

Re:Are you sure? (5, Funny)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819168)

Or maybe just a mistake?

I've been to yahoo news quite a bit, and occasionally, a link goes bad, but still triggers the ad.

Taco should know this too. Slashdot goes down every once in a while (usually jsut a DB thing, but it happens). Yahoo is run by humors. To err is human...

Re:Are you sure? (1)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819195)

Yahoo is run by humors
Humans. My bad. No need to comment on my lack of hitting 'preview'.

Re:Are you sure? (2)

FatRatBastard (7583) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819243)

I've found this happeneing a lot on their (now defunct, replaced by launch) music news site. I always chalked it up to technical errors. I assume the same thing applies here as well.

To paraphrase a great sig I've read here on slashdot: Never assume something's sinister if it can be explained by stupidity.

Re:Are you sure? (2)

invenustus (56481) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819219)

I can't find it either.... and I have yet to see a response here from someone who has. Most just seem to be condemning Yahoo. Can ANYONE tell me which link it is from that US Economy page?

Re:Are you sure? (2, Funny)

stefanlasiewski (63134) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819240)

or is there something more "sinister" going on that I missed?

Yes, there is! Yahoo is requiring you to click on all of the links with your Left Hand [m-w.com] !

Re:Are you sure? (2)

Happy Monkey (183927) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819315)

They even made it much easier to navigate by left clicking!

Re:Are you sure? (2)

cosyne (324176) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819261)

I can't find any links directly to banner ads either. Perhaps the page which was supposed to come up just loaded it's ad banner and then stalled out, leaving a blank page with just a scantily clad woman and a suggestion that you can use the camera for 'all kinds of things'?

Re:Are you sure? (3, Insightful)

alanjstr (131045) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819305)

I agree. I see a brief summary, with a link for the full article [yahoo.com] . That, and a lot of other links. And there's a banner ad at the top. So what's the beef?

Huh (1, Redundant)

tswinzig (210999) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819124)

Can someone please describe what the hell this article is talking about?

Typical (1)

mrybczyn (515205) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819128)

Google is bound to be next. Its the typical result of MBA's getting involved and applying some of that hard earned 'knowledge'.

Re:Typical (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2819265)

Google is bound to be next. Its the typical result of MBA's getting involved and applying some of that hard earned 'knowledge'.

Stupid troll. Google doesn't even have banners. They do TEXT ADS. Cause google is cool.

And they don't rerun other people's news like yahoo does either (not that reruning news is a bad thing, I like yahoo news...) so HOW THE FUCK WOULD GOOGLE BE NEXT?

As A Bat (2)

InfinityWpi (175421) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819132)

Am I the only one who didn't see the advertising link in question? I know there's this large banner on the right that says 'ADVERTISEMENT' at the top, but they've had that for months, and you'd have to be a moron to think they're putting it forward as real news...

Re:As A Bat (2)

TheGreenLantern (537864) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819164)

I'm not seeing it either. If Yahoo really was that quick removing the offending link.

For that matter, how do we know this wasn't just some webmaster's screwup, cutting-and-pasting in the wrong link?

Re:As A Bat (1)

TheGreenLantern (537864) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819187)

Oops, that should be, "Was Yahoo really that quick...".

Re:As A Bat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2819225)

Didn't see it here. That link just went to a Full Coverage page, with only the usual adverts on it.

Methinks the submitter has been drinking just a little too much "Florida Orange Juice", if you catch my drift.

Slightly confused here (2, Interesting)

Daunting*Alligheri (215036) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819133)

I scanned through the news articles and while an x10 ad (and boy, why does it have to be x10) popped up underneath the news article, I didn't see any articles merely being links to advertisements. What am I missing here?

Re:Slightly confused here (1)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819183)

> I scanned through the news articles and while an x10 ad (and boy, why does it have to be x10) popped up underneath the news article, I didn't see any articles merely being links to advertisements. What am I missing here?

Same here. I don't get it.

I see a bunch of news stories to the left (some on Yahoo, most on other sites), a list of news stories in the middle (again, some on Yahoo, most on other sites), and a bunch of URLs to advertisements (all of which start with rd.yahoo.com, Yahoo's advertisement redirector server) on the right, with the header "Advertisement" above the column of ads.

And no pop-unders, 'cuz I never use Javashit, and even if I did, I'd have blocked the server in Junkbuster :)

Can anyone (including the original article submitter) show us the HTML that prompted the article in question?

Re:Slightly confused here (1)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819228)

What am I missing here?

The knee-jerk response of the phenomenon known as "slashdot think"

Re:Slightly confused here (1)

Monte (48723) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819276)

Ditto here - and I didn't even get the X10 ad.

Maybe it only happens once every n clicks.

X10 ads and why I loathe them (5, Interesting)

kiwimate (458274) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819279)

I sent an e-mail to X10 a few days ago when I'd finally had enough. Complaining about the existence of the ads? No -- that's sure to fall in their category of "necessary evil", i.e. marketing dollars, and I knew that if I was to have any chance of not being deleted (vicariously through my e-mail), I'd better not trip down that lane.

No, what I objected to was the content of the ads. Now, call me a prude if you must, but frankly I am turned off by a company who will insist on popping up ads which feature shots of cameras panning over scantily-clad females and lingering on the cleavage whilst accompanied by a tag line reading "see what you're missing" or "who knows what you'll see?". Okay, so I'm an adult -- what about those parents who (rightly or wrongly) wish to be able to have their children surf the Net through a supposedly safe medium such as Yahoo and not be inundated with sleazy ads?

We all know that children aren't safe from the spammers or the mistyped domain names that have been pounced upon by the porn people; but they're up-front (yes, ha-ha, no pun intended) about their intentions. X10, on the other hand, is just being tacky, and overloading at least this particular consumer with their tackiness.

By the way, I also pointed out to them that, for what it was worth, I am probably in one of their prized target demographics -- early 30s and technically astute with a reasonable amount of disposable cash.

No reply from X10 customer service so far. There's a surprise.

Unethical? (1, Insightful)

afidel (530433) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819137)

Every paper news source will label Anything over 1 full page as an advertisement, so how can they get away with this. Actually it's even worse than a multipage ad that isn't labeled. It's like having an entry in the Table of Contents that says it's to a featured article, and instead takes you to advertising. How sickening.

Well, after watching some 10pm network 'news' (2, Insightful)

Latent IT (121513) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819149)

I can safely say that Yahoo isn't the first company to do this. Better yet, morning news shows are the worst. Weight loss, hot movies, fashion 'tips'... just thinly disguised product placement.

Dear sirs, it is my sad duty to inform you that journalistic integrity is dead.

Well, check out www.whatreallyhappened.com... there's still *some* left, I think. They're just alarmist, as opposed to corrupt.

Print media had this a long time (1)

RC514 (546181) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819150)

I guess this is just the online version of magazines which never give a bad rating in a review if the manufacturer advertises in the same mag. They'll learn to conceal this better over time.

What the Deal? (2)

bstadil (7110) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819154)

What is the deal here. I can only find a coloum clearly marked Advertising. This has been done by UK sites for a while by the way. I feel sorry for Yahoo as I thought they were quite cool earlier on but now has pretty much nothing but "milk toast" to offer.

I didn't see any (2, Interesting)

Mark4ST (249650) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819155)

I didn't see any. Can someone toss up a link to an actual ad? (I can't believe what I just asked for)

Re:I didn't see any (1)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819273)

> I didn't see any. Can someone toss up a link to an actual ad? (I can't believe what I just asked for)

Me too.

(I know, I can't believe it either. I'd click it too, just to see what the fuss was about. Maybe this is all a cynical ploy by some Yahoo exec to get us to click on his brand-new ad, once someone finds it ;-)

Nothing really new, just a continuation of a trend (5, Interesting)

jd142 (129673) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819156)

Press releases have been masquerading as news for a long time. I worked in a small office once where we sent out press releases saying that this person had sold so much insurance or that person had sold so many dollars worth of real estate. They were advertisements, pure and simple. But they were presented in the local paper as a real news story.

The only difference is that in this case the ad is paid for and presented as news instead of being "free" for those places that write their own press releases.

Re:Nothing really new, just a continuation of a tr (1)

cavemanf16 (303184) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819235)

A site I frequent is WorldNetDaily.com [worldnetdaily.com] , and they have ads for stuff sprinkled all over there front page implying sometimes that they are news items, when really they're just another advertisement for the newest book they're selling on their site. It's definitely not a new scheme, but certainly annoying when done the wrong way. Some of Yahoo's advertisements have gotten really annoying. There's no way to 'block' flash ads in Mozilla yet, and Yahoo keeps throwing up this damn huge Oracle/IBM ad on the my.yahoo.com page I have. Pretty annoying because it makes me unable to see any pertinent info until halfway down the page, and my.yahoo.com is quite important to me for quick snapshots of stock quotes, weather, and world news. :(

Re:Nothing really new, just a continuation of a tr (1)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819310)

> There's no way to 'block' flash ads in Mozilla yet

Under 'doze, can't you just nuke the DLL? Or make it "prompt/unknown" for the relevant MIME-type? (I did both years ago under Nutscrape and never missed anything.)

but it *IS* news... (1)

javacowboy (222023) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819158)

It IS news. Somebody's selling you a product and they want you to but it from them. What could be more newsworthy than that? :)

Blah (0, Troll)

danielrose (460523) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819167)

who picks these stories anyway?? they must be really hard up for stories on slashdot these days....

Re:Blah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2819246)

i dont know -- there's been a spoofing hole in IE rumor circulating for a few days -- comeplete with a demo of it on the site of the guy who found it. he claims he reported it to MS in mid-Dec, but MS hasnt patched it, so he went public. I'm surprised THIS hasnt made slashdot

Re:Blah (1)

danielrose (460523) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819311)

don't know how that was a troll, it's only honest...

Save your eyes! (1, Offtopic)

toupsie (88295) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819171)

Don't gripe! No one has to view ad banners! With Squid Cache [squid-cache.org] and Squid Guard [squidguard.org] running on your Linux/BSD/Mac OS X (where I use it) box, you never have to view ad banners again. In this case, all you have to add to your "Domain" list in Squid Guard (if you have it set up to block) is "us.a1.yimg.com" (without the quotes) and you will never know that Yahoo has banner ads. I replace all the banner ads with a 1x1 transparent gif.

Using this system also greatly speeds up my web access as I am no longer pulling tons of ads everyday.

Re:Save your eyes! (1)

diamondc (241058) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819272)

squid might be overkill, i use junkbuster myself to discard ads

Re:Save your eyes! (2)

SirSlud (67381) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819299)

Advertising isn't great, sure, but thats a pretty selfish way to do things; like going to church but never dropping some change in the plate. Other people are forced to deal with more intrusive advertising thanks to ad-blocking. Are you just betting on enough dumb/lazy/ignorant people to view ads to keep your experience ad-free?

Seems kinda selfish to me. If you don't like advertising, but still want your content, why don't you do something about the model that everyone has to rely on now to provide content for 'free' to the likes of you. What makes you so special that you can step to the head of the line, so long as critical mass doesn't follow your lead?

Not that new (0)

meheler (193628) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819172)

News papers have been doing this for years.

Although, at least the news papers have the decency to print the add in a different font, or put "Advertising Special Feature" on the page somewhere.

-Mike

Can't find it (1)

Zordak (123132) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819179)

I can't find the suspect article. They all seem to go to actual news stories. Somebody please show me the conspiracy. I can't believe they pulled it already, since I saw this posting early on.

Me Neither (1)

Judebert (147131) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819245)

No problem here. The supplied link goes to the business section.

Of course, I'm browsing without Javascript. Maybe that makes a difference. Perhaps they're those damn click-through ads, and you need Javascript to run them?

Alternative news portals? (2)

2Flower (216318) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819180)

I've been using My Yahoo for awhile now to get my news, but the corporate bias is pretty evident; stories always seem to have a twinge of flavor in favor of the dollar. Whenever I see 'evil cyberterrorist arrested' I typically hit slashdot to get the REAL story.

The popups Yahoo uses are even getting past my disabled Javascript lately. If I have to deal with headlines as ads on top of bias and popups, well... bye!

Does anybody know of a news portal type site which goes EASY on this sort of thing? Ads where they ought to be rather than ads all over the place, including in the news headlines themselves? Is there an acceptable 'mainstream' news outlet that's not as invasive as this?

Re:Alternative news portals? (1)

dperkins (63220) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819324)

Probably the most honest news portal I have seen is World Net Daily [wnd.com] . They seem to have their adds mixed in with the news, but it isn't misleading. Obviously they have to make a buck somehow.

Anyway, they do seem to put the facts into their news.

What a great idea!! (1)

Evil MarNuke (209527) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819181)

Jack: "Hey bob, I just went to yahoo news! WOW!! The news stories are so informative! I never knew I could lose weight by eating and watching tv. I read that I can run a car without oil with this new engine addtive! Did you know that they have a device that can increase your fuel mailage by 20% and it only cost $19.95?"

Bob: "Wow, I should read yahoo news more often!"

"Highly Misleading"? No, not really... (5, Insightful)

dreadpiratemark (450962) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819185)

How can anything that has the label "ADVERTISEMENT" (in all caps, to boot) above it be considered 'highly misleading'? It seems pretty clear to me....

Okay, you don't have to like this type of advertisement and there can be thoughts about the 'psudo journalism' feel of it, but as long as it says that it's an add, how is it any different from the "Special Advertisement Section" that shows up periodically in Newsweek, Discover, Sports Illustrated, etc.? Just ignore it and continue reading what you want to read....

-Mark

What are you talking about? (1)

bryan1945 (301828) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819186)

I went there, and there is a column on the right hand side with the word "Advertisement" at the top. All those links are ads, but it says so right at the top!

There is also the ubiquitous pop-unders and such.

Come on, this is a really badly reported story!!!

Bad /., Bad!

misleading articles == loss of users? (1)

slakdrgn (531347) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819189)

This is yet another way to (atleast what I beleive) loose credability... I mean come on. if you keep clicking on what you think are news articles, and get ads, wouldn't you stop comming to that site? I would..

In my opinion, this would be suicide for atleast the news section of YAHOO. Most ads tend to be annoying, some very in your face annoying, when it starts getting to misleading, thats when companies better think of another way to get money, 'cause they are about to loose a lot of customers. I think at times Ads are a necessary evil (hell, look at the top of this page..) but when they get too annoying, or misleading (ie.. yahoo's news articles that turn out to be ads) thats usually when people just stop visiting, well.. atleast thats when I would..

...yup, these are all opinions people, nothing to see here...

(excuse the spelling errors, spell check on vacation, along with brain :)

Great thinking. (2, Funny)

supruzr (138432) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819192)

I mean, why didn't they think of this sooner?

"..so you see, Sir, we HIDE the ads randomly IN the news. Then when they click on a news headline, it really brings them to an AD!"

"So...... basically we're going to lie?"

"YES!!"

"And what happens to the new story that is replaced by an ad?"

"WHO CARES?!"

"Good lord, Johnson, that's BRILLIANT! I knew I wouldn't regret hiring my ex-wife's cousin."

Mistake? (2)

levik (52444) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819194)

Might this have been a simple mistake that Yahoo expediently corrected?

It would be much trickier of them of course to have the ad links appear randomly, so that they're difficult to duplicate. That would be a pretty difficult thing to prove...

Re:Mistake? (1)

danielrose (460523) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819239)

No. Look at the rightmost column. It is labeled "ADVERTISEMENT" and, quite a coincidence this, it has advertisements!

Re:Mistake? (1)

levik (52444) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819313)

Yeah, but that's nothing new, Yahoo's been running ads like that for a while.

It was my understanging that the story was concerning an ad that masqueraded as a news story (i.e. was in one of the news categories), that was spotted by the submitter, but judging by the comments on this story is yet to be seen by anyone else.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

You mean like local news stations? (0)

aero6dof (415422) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819199)

If you pay close attention, you might notice when local news stations runs pre-packaged product news as a story. Companies often send promotional materials packaged as news stories. The most recent one in my memory in LA was a story about a fitness product being sold to gyms which claimed to measure metabolic rates via a breath analysis device. The story, including video clips, was nearly identical across several local news stations.

That's not quite true. (2, Informative)

hereticmessiah (416132) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819202)

They're putting ads between letting you read articles and the like. It seems to happen randomly as far as I can tell and they're doing it on http://groups.yahoo.com/ too - that's where I first came across it. It's unpleasant to say the least, but not dishonest.

Looking at that URL... (1)

kaiidth (104315) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819207)

Weeellll ... if you say so... but -

All I can see for adverts on there are the irritating click-through adverts they have, and the box on the right with 'advertisement' sneakily added above it with a list of amazingly predictable make-money-fast headlines in pseudo-real-link blue (time zone to time zone, never set your watch again! Apparently).

I can't quite see how it would be possible to stick adverts in this list anyway since they credit the source of each story after the news article's title. Somehow I can't quite imagine clicking on a link

- Brilliant new Internet Camera comes on the Market - X10 (Jan 8, 2002)

Added to which, if they are really doing what this story claims they're pretty darn hypocritical, given that they have stories like Pop-ups begone! How to kill those pesky ads [yahoo.com] in their database.

So... which one is it? (1)

josquint (193951) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819210)

Oh, in case they change it, basically they have a list of news stories, and one of them links simply to a page advertising (not surprisingly) X-10. The link isn't marked as an ad -- its simply one of the headlines in the news list. It's one thing to have more ads... it's another to simply disguise the ad as actual news.

So.. which link is it then? Could it be just an error with the page? Or your browser load it funny(i've seen that with my Norton Internet Security ad blocker... makes the ad in slashdot disappear, and puts it in as one of the icons... weird)

ads are everywhere (1)

kfckernal (517538) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819211)

Don't think your favorite movie star happens to find a certain brand of beverage or food by chance. Its all bought and sold. I've watched scenes in movies that served no other purpose than to promote a product. Also in magazines, you'll see what looks like the magazine's review of a product to only discover in small letters: advertisment. Not to mention deceptive email headers, like "Re: Something not even related to the product I'm trying to sell". It was just a matter of time until Yahoo sold out like they did. We need to backlash though, otherwise other companies will follow Yahoo's lead.

Where? (1)

athakur999 (44340) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819218)

Like some of the others, I don't see what we're talking about. None of the links went to advertisments.

Are we so quick to condemn a company for, gasp, trying to make money that we're ready to crucify Yahoo for what is probably just a glitch?

Not new (1)

jsimon12 (207119) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819220)

This isn't new, print publications have been doing this for years and years, they just always have some fine print somewhere saying "paid advertisement". I think it is dumb and misleading to the less intelligent and insulting to the rest of us. But it certainly isn't a new concept.

Look on the right side (1)

pridefinger (549632) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819224)

The article itself is not contaminated (or I'm simply lucky enough to have missed yet another x-10 pop-up). On the right side of the article, under the "advertisement" section, is a list of links that look like they go to stories. When you click...well, you get the picture. Frankly, I'm not really that worried, since it is labeled advertisement, albeit in small type, and the "stories" are pretty obviously advertisements. Marketing guys seem to all talk alike...:) -Pride

merely blatant (1)

Tri0de (182282) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819226)

they are merely doing in a blatant way what ABC,CBS, NBC, Fox and CNN do. Does anyone think there has been any such think as "news" that wasn't bought and paid for, by some entity, since the advent of mass media? The only real game when reading any piece of news is figuring out WHO paid for its placement; sometimes it is an ideological motivation, sometimes financial, often times both. Yahoo is merely being a bit less slick and blatant than the NY Times or USA Today.

Hmm... (1, Flamebait)

daeley (126313) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819229)

And this [osdn.com] is different how?

Guess where they saw it first? (1)

claeswi (212369) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819230)

Another example of how the pr0n sector of the net is leading the way in creative ways of making money off "free" content?

I imagine someone at Yahoo got busted surfing pr0n during office hours some weeks ago and claimed he was just "researching the business model" :)

Relevance of news? (1)

Fastball (91927) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819232)

Who cares about the news anymore? Nowadays, news is no more factual than it is sellable. I mean, look at the cable news channels. Estrogen TV. All of it meant to tug on emotions.


We know all we're going to know about Jean-Bihne-Ramsey (sp?), the little girl murdered by her parents who now live in Georgia because the local police in Colorado botched some things. But rest assured, the news syndicate will continue to drag that fucking story back into the spotlight. Because (and I don't really know why) people tune into.

Better to rely on reputable sites for news. (1)

norculf (146473) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819238)

I like the BBC [bbc.co.uk] and the Independant Media Center [indymedia.org] .

I have 5 mod points. Anyone want to paypal me some money in exchange for depositing them on comments of their choice?

Its not Yahoo (5, Interesting)

cr@ckwhore (165454) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819241)

I don't think the ads are from Yahoo... If you follow the news links, most go to external sites. Some of those external sites have pop-up ads, not yahoo. Simple.

They do it on TV, too (5, Insightful)

Zen Mastuh (456254) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819244)

I quit watching TV as a teen because I was tired of the brainwashing. These days if I'm visiting someone who has it on I will watch with them so as to not be a snob. Recently I caught a little bit of Good Morning America. I was amazed by how much of the show is blatant advertising for products. My friend said most other "information" shows on TV are the same way. Every outlet in our culture is being geared towards the Consumerist movement.

So now the "News" sites on the Internet are doing the same thing. It's sad to see the progression of the Internet from a bastion of equal speech to yet another Consumerism-in-overdrive medium.

If slashdot starts redirecting the "Reply" button to ad sites, I'll post all my karma-capped UIDs/passwords on a first-come, first-served basis. The advertisers will win, and so will the trolls.

Hold on, hold on... (1)

DCowern (182668) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819248)

I may be missing something here but what exactly will the headlines say? For example, will I read a headline that says "Horror Author Steven King Dead at " (tounge firmly implanted into cheek), and when I click on it, an ad will pop up?

I guess what I'm getting at is that a person may not find a story interesting enough to read but could take the headline at face value. If the headline said something that sounded really important, it could potentially lead to mass hysteria. Either way, Yahoo just lost a lot of points in my book.

They stole it from Pr0n (2)

ImaLamer (260199) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819250)

It's similar to when you visit something like moviepost and there is a link to Teen Sux and Fux and it's really a link to another pr0n portal site.

I think the difference though is two-fold. Movie post stopped doing this. Picpost, it's sister site also started labeling these types of links as another 'Gallery'. Secondly, this is pr0n site and you expect some underhandedness.

Yahoo[!] is a site that people expect some level of professionalism. I've gotten so many of our family members to use Yahoo as a portal because it's still somewhat lightweight, and easy to use. Yahoo also goes back a long way... to when I was 15 ['95-'96?] and I figured they weren't into this sort of thing.

I guess I should point my family members [read: Newbies] to Google for more than searches... I hope their directory gets better.

Eddie Gentry, Slashdotter to the End (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2819251)

Little Eddie Gentry was a misunderstood teen. At age six, his parents divorced in a messy court battle. His mother ended up winning 95% custody due to his father's "questionable" habits and employments, all of which centered around Slashdot and the Open Source community.

By the time Eddie was 15, he had quite a few hobbies but no real friends. Eddie spent most of his time coding on a new system called "Linux" and posting informative and interesting comments on Slashdot. Living in his mother's basement, Eddie stayed up all night learning new tips and tricks, desperately trying to become 1337 in a world in which he felt negelected.

Eddie's mother had been working two jobs since he could remember, and now that Eddie was about to start driving, she was going to look for another and had also been suggesting to Eddie that he start perusing the want-ads for a job for himself when he got his license. Naturally this left Eddie's mother with little time for Eddie; she rarely even dated for all she had time for was work, work, paying bills, and keeping up their two-bedroom condo. Without a male rold-model, Eddie was socially and personally confused and so felt more comfortable shirking the world and staying in his dark, musty basement most of the time.

Months after Eddie got his license, he grew even more disenchanted with the world. Thinking his license would lead to a more active social life, Eddie was disappointed when no girls were interested in the '85 maroon Dodge Omni he drove around; his homemade MP3 player he installed in his car didn't impress any of the guys in school either. The great gas mileage was no consolation. He grew more depressed and his grades slipped. The world was becoming dark in little Eddie Gentry's eyes. He sank into his Linux programming and Slashdotting more and more until he was ignoring his homework completely and regularly came to work (at a QuikTrip gas station) 20 or 30 minutes late just so he could post a few extra comments here or there on Slashdot.

Eddie was now 16 years old and knew only the feeling of the cold, damp basement and and hard work at the nearby QuikTrip; he never had felt the warmth of a woman's touch or the firm hug of a caring father. He'd never felt the burst of adrenaline the goalie feels in football when he sees the other team heading towards him; he'd never felt the teasing itch of a healing sunburn on his back. And at 16, Eddie was beginning to grow bitter and feel cheated by the lack of experience he had in life. He damned his father for being a sadistic asshole towards him as a baby, and he blamed his mother for worrying too much about him and the bills she always seemed to be talking about. He also blamed himself, though he didn't know why. And it showed in his Slashdot posts...

Re: Linux Kernel 2.4.12 Available (Score:-1, Flamebait)
by F4st Edd1e on Thursday January 10, @01:13 (#2848943)
(User #578209 Info)

> time to download and compile, guys! this fixes that nasty SCSI bus bug!
> Propz to Alan Cox and da man, Linus!

Who cares? This is the pits.

-F4st Edd1e [mailto]

After several months spent in a non-stop downward spiral, Eddie gave up on real life and began writing CmdrTaco in desperation and loneliness. He talked about his life, the people he thought were cool, and also quietly looked for approval from Rob Malda. What a poor thing to have attempted:

From: Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda <malda@slashdot.org>
Date: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 03:13
To: F4st Edd1e <geddie879@hotmail.com>
Subject: LOL Is This Cool?

> so i was wondering if you could let me start coding SLASH components, maybe
> i could be an author or somethingthat'd be so fuckin' cool i couldn't even
> imagine it all the guys in my computer club would be sooo jealous

Eddie, I have no idea who you are. Why do you keep emailing me? I really don't
give a shit what CDs you stole from Best Buy or that you cut yourself to see if
it hurts.

I'm adding you to my killfile.

-Rob "CmdrTaco" Malda

After getting similar responses from the other Slashdot editors, and realizing no one real or electronic would ever care about him, Eddie's resolve steeled. Unfortunantly, it was with a poor solution to his problems that he began planning for. But for the first time in his short life, Eddie felt the weight of the world ascend from his shoulders. He smiled for the first time in a long time, and people noticed. Especially Marie Swanson, a schoolmate and neighbor. Eddie noticed little and cared less, however, because his plan was so clever and would solve so many problems. He was proud of himself for the first time ever and it was all going to happen soon. Very soon.

It was April 19, 2002 when Eddie pulled into the gravel driveway late at night. Killing th lights, Eddie grabbed the brown paper bag in the driver's seat and sashed it under his black trenchcoat. He attempted to slide by his mother but she halted him, holding his hands in hers. She told him she was happy for him and that she was relieved hat he was "coming out of his shell." Eddie weakly smiled and told his mom things were hard sometimes. If only she knew. Eddie told her he'd be back up for dinner and quickly ran to his Linux workstation in the corner of the basement, and launched Mozilla 0.9.7.

12 minutes later, Mozilla and Slashdot were finished loading, and Eddie was looking for the latest story. Perfect! This new one, regarding more VA Linux^H^H^H^H^HSoftware downsizing, was brand new and had no comments yet... With bated breath and sweaty palms, Eddie clocked the links and started typing his message into the text field. He trembled and shook as he typed, his fingers a blue on the keyboard. The intensity in his eyes was matched only by the emptiness behind them.

It had been an hour since Eddie came home and as usual, not a peep was heard from the basement. Eddie's mother stared at the sink, quietly going over the ingredients for tonight's dinner, Eddie's favorite dish: hot-dog and bean casserole covered in melted American cheese. She wanted to make something special for her little boy. She jumped as she was brought out of her trance by the phone ringing. She waited, thinking Eddie would pick it up, but as he sometimes wore headphones and listened to his music very loudly, she picked it up herself on the thrid ring. It was Marie Swanson, the neighbor girl

"Is Eddie there?" came the timid voice on the other end. Eddie's mom said she'd get Eddie, but first she asked if she could tell him what it was regarding-- Eddie was often stubborn about coming to the phone sometimes.

"I just wanted to ask Eddie if he'd like to join me and Lisa and her cousin Mike at the movies with us tonight. Tell him he can call me back later if he's busy, we didn't want to go until the seven-o-clock show anyway." With that, Eddie's mom was on her way down the stairs and calling Eddie's name. No reply came, so she assumed that this would be another round of turning the sound down on his stereo to get his attention. She couldn't have been wronger. What met her eyes was the worst site a mother could ever hope to see in her life. Even though he could have been asleep, she knew better.

Eddie was laying slumped over with his head restng on the keyboard, one arm under his head and the other, his left, hanging limply straight down. Spittle was slowly drying on his lower lip, and his eyes bulged out of his head in a ghastly manner. His skin was a sick light blue-purple color, which was obscured by the thick, clear plastic bag taped firmly around his neck. Attached to the bag by some tape was some fishtank air-pumo tubing, which at its other end was connected to yet another bag containing some misty substance. The basement smelled like almonds.

Eddie was dead, a victim of himself.

The shrieks and cries heard that night were never forgotten by any of the neighbors. Eddie's mother's life would never be the same, and the school was closed in a day of mourning. Counseling was given freely all day for the next week as well, and Eddie's mother spoke at a memorial service for the school. Things were pretty straight forward, and everyone-- especially Eddie's mom-- went straight into dealing with the loss, nearly impossible as that is.

What Eddie's mother always assumed was that Eddie was angst-ridden and unhappy and had no healthy way to express this to anyone, and she blamed herself for this. Though this was genericaly true, Eddie's mother had missed something that night in her blind anguish. Had she looked a little closer at the computer her son lay dead in front of, she would have seen something very telling that could have given her more depth of understanding. Alas, she didn't, even though all it would have taken was a single click of the "Back" button. As it was, when they removed the computer to examination, there was evidence of one final attempt Eddie made to communicate his feelings to someone, somewhere. Like all of Eddie's other attempts in life, however, his attempt failed miserable.

Who knows, maybe Eddie would have waited just long enough for his mother to have made it downstairs? What a sad, frustrating life Eddie ended that night.

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Confused by this story?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2819253)

As far as I can tell, it's complaining about the white box on the right side of the page that says "ADVERTISEMENT" at the top. inside this box are some ads that instead of showing an obnoxious flashing image (like the one at the top of the page i'm typing into right now) show text links like "A floor lamp that spreads sunshine all over a room" that links to a site selling a lamp.

THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH THIS!
(except that ad-filters have a harder time filtering out text)

Clearly Listed as Advertisements (2, Insightful)

Krieger (7750) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819255)

I followed the link and the "news" stories are clearly marked as an advertisement. Perhaps not blazingly marked, but the section that they're all in has the word Advertisement over it. It is also on the right side of the page where there is typically a advertisement banner, so if you have decent location memory (read: consistent page design)for ad placements, it should be noticeable as such.

It looks like all of the things in the "Technoscout" section are simply advertisements/product offerings displayed as news-like articles or press releases.

None of the articles in the main sections had any advertisements mixed in with them.

The real story... (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819256)

Today a Slashdot reader posted a story about Yahoo! blending advertisements into their news headlines. After Yahoo! was /.'d by other Slashdot readers in response to the post, the other readers came back and posted "wtf are you talking about?" and went back to their daily routines.

Hmm, so this got posted, yet my ask slashdot piece about Tux address labels went ignored. humfph

Spamol! (1)

hatchet (528688) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819257)

Do I smell SPAM!? I bet they got poisoned by spamol [bris.ac.uk] . Or maybe is just "Diureja".. and they needed to take a "dUMP".

What ad? (1)

estoll (443779) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819259)

Next time I find a typo on the Internet, I think I'll be running to /.

BTW http://ads.x10.com/yahoo2/yahoo_bun.htm [x10.com]

Not new... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2819260)

LINUX LINUX LINUX!
Linux linux, linux linux linux linux. Linux linux linux; linux LINUX linux linux. Linux linux linux. Linux linux, linux linux linux.

Also Microsoft is bad.

As if... (2)

wunderhorn1 (114559) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819263)

As if half of the "technology" news on major sites isn't copied straight out of corporate press releases anyway. The story about "100x Compression" Slashdot featured a little while ago was from Reuters, but that doesn't mean it wasn't 99% marketing baloney.

Not that blurring the line between news and advertising is a good thing, but I do sympathize with Yahoo's position. Money must be tight over there, and every ad they link to as "news" means less time paying writers to rewrite coporate advertising into "pseudo-news"!

who cares (1)

greymond (539980) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819264)

all the more reason to use the 15 billion other news sites on the internet

No they're not (1)

bschoate (129588) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819266)

Yahoo isn't putting ad banners as news. One or more of the ads in their advertising banner cycle just happens to look like a column of news links. The one I saw was from 'TechnoScout'.

The ad itself is clearly separated from the legitimate news stories and even has an 'ADVERTISEMENT' caption above it to make it clear that you're looking at an ad.

Hardly newsworthy... I've seen things like this in print media for years now.

cf. NYT LOTR Sponsored Feature (2, Interesting)

wagadog (545179) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819267)

The mixing of news features and advertising is nothing new, although I must say the New York Times Tolkein Archives "Sponsored Feature" [nytimes.com] is a much classier treatment than Yahoo's use of banners as news stories [yahoo.com] particularly in the way it handled two other movies, Monsters Inc and Harry Potter, which was worse than misleading -- it was ugly and devoid of interesting content.

The nice thing about the NYT Sponsored Feature, by contrast, is that they have a great deal of good content in their archives, and presumably the sponsorship goes into getting the stuff off microfilm and out of file drawers and onto their web pages.

Just another act of desperation. (2)

mystery_bowler (472698) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819269)

Don't forget that lots of portal companies depend on ad revenues to support their business. Yahoo gives an awful lot away, it stands to reason that they'd try everything they can to get some revenue coming in.

This really isn't anything new, though. I regularly see advertisements (in particular on TechTV) that are done well enough that, if I'm not really paying attention at first, I have to do a double-take and look for the "Paid Advertisement" text to make sure it's not an actual show of some sort. Anything to expose those products to viewers' eyeballs.

Really, though, who's surprised by this given the recent collapse of banner ad revenue on the web?

You forgot about TimeCanada. (1)

vandelais (164490) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819270)

"The IMAC is just so cool!"
Fuck you Ted Turner and go back to making money on the Afghan 'war'!

All I see is news (2)

Rupert (28001) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819271)

Not good news, or well-reported news, or objective news, but I didn't see any full page X10 ads either.

That could have something to do with The Proxomition [proxomitron.org] , though.

--

Huh? (2)

Da VinMan (7669) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819275)

Ok, I dutifully followed the link. Here's the list of news stories on the page. Someone tell me which one is the stinker.

News Stories
- Santomero Sees Room for More Rate Cuts - Reuters (Jan 10, 2002)
- Recession wiped out '02 surplus, report says - USA Today (Jan 10, 2002)
- Last-Minute Shoppers Save Retailers - AP (Jan 10, 2002)
- Recession top cause of deficit - USA Today (Jan 10, 2002)
- Debts, recession make bankruptcies surge - Atlanta Journal-Constitution (Jan 10, 2002)
- Rates Remain High. Blame Bush Budget or Big Expectations? - NY Times (registration req'd) (Jan 9, 2002)
- New debt may stall recovery - Atlanta Journal-Constitution (Jan 9, 2002)
- President keeps hammering on his tax-cut proposal - San Francisco Chronicle (Jan 8, 2002)
- Fed Officials Differ on Rebound Timing - Reuters (Jan 8, 2002)
- Recession's grip begins to loosen - Chicago Tribune (Jan 8, 2002)
- Santomero: Data Provide Hope for Recovery - Reuters (Jan 8, 2002)
- Factory Orders Down in November - Reuters (Jan 8, 2002)
- Chain Store Sales Dip in Jan 5 Week - Reuters (Jan 8, 2002)
- Factory Orders Drop 3.3 Percent - AP (Jan 8, 2002)
- Bush Says He May Not Seek Balanced Budget This Year - NY Times (registration req'd) (Jan 8, 2002)

NY Times? (1)

RazzleFrog (537054) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819278)

Is it possible he clicked on the link to a New York Times article and saw the registration page? Unless you are registered and logged in it can look like an advertisement for NY Times.

X-10 (1)

blues5150 (161900) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819285)

Who is actually buying these X-10 cameras? This company must have an obscene amount of money for advertising?

Whats going on? (2)

tolldog (1571) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819292)

The news article says last updated at 2:05 PM, this was posted at 2:54 PM.
This /. story is obviously incorrect now... at 3:00 EST... So does this mean that it was a goof on Yahoo's part? Does that mean that /. needs to appologize for criticizing Yahoo for selling out?
I would just love to know what all is going on with this... a mistake (or two) were made.The mistake could have been somebody not checking up on the story before posting it, the webmaster on yahoo making a mistake, or us for believing it that Yahoo is above this and that they covered their tracks when they were caught.

Welcome to the "new" economy (2, Insightful)

crumbz (41803) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819293)

This doesn't suprise me one bit. At the risk of repeating the tired old mantra, concentration of big media will lead to lapses in journalistic integrity driven by the bottom line. I noticed the following recently: MSNBC did a piece last week about how well the X-box was selling (depite the fact that the PS2 out sold it 2:1 during the holiday season). Disclaimer: I have a PS2. The piece was done by a reporter who gave his two sons (14 and 17 I think) a X-box and see if they liked it. Suprise: they did. Thumbs up for the X-box. No disclaimer at the end of the story that Microsoft owns X% of MSNBC. You have to be a smart cookie today to see through the bullsh*t.

My 2 cents.

This Just In! (1)

osorronophris (318023) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819295)

Slashdot sinks to a new low in the sinking-to-a-new-low dept. by failing to check the validity of a story. Again! MPEG at 11.

How to find the perpetrating Ad... (4, Redundant)

JohnDenver (246743) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819302)

1. Click on link...
2. Refresh page until right side banner shows Techno Scout with links below it...

You may notice a single word disclaimer above the banner that says, "Advertisement"

A reasonable person should easily be able to tell the difference...

Slashdot Posts Yahoo Ad As Genuine Post! (5, Funny)

Fritz Benwalla (539483) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819306)

In an insidious trend, Yahoo and Slashdot began leveraging what is commonly known as the "Slashdot Effect" to generate revenue-producing pageviews on the popular directory service. An anonymous source, who we will call Cmdr Tapas commented; "It's really very easy - we post an inflammatory article about Yahoo on our service, our readers flock over there with torches and pitchforks, and Yahoo pockets the pageviews. Then I get a fat check sent to my home a month later."

Not exactly a new idea.. (2)

sid_vicious (157798) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819308)

My girlfriend used to work in the advertising department of a reasonably big website.

They went out of their way to make their advertising and their news blend together to the point that it was tough to tell one from the other. Little advertising snippets complete with links would be written up as though they were headlines on the news page. When you clicked on the links, you either went through to the manufacturer, or you went to some rah-rah fluff an internal copy writer had sketched up.

I was originally going to mention the site she worked at, but by the end of this post, I thought better. Never makes sense to burn any bridges...
:-)

The Future (1)

spatrick_123 (459796) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819309)

I can see it now - "DoubleClick - now we're a NEWS company".

Are they really doing this? (2)

Logic Bomb (122875) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819312)

Oh, in case they change it...

Are we sure they're really doing this? At least on the page I got when I clicked the link, I didn't see any such thing. Perhaps it was a *gasp* minor error or mistake. Like that never happens here at Slashdot... ;-P

Magazines (2)

DeadBugs (546475) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819322)

Even though I did not see anything unusual at Yahoo. This sounds exactly like the ads in every computer magazine I subscribe to. There are multi page articles that look like news stories except in small print at the top of the page it says "Special advertising supplement" or other such crap.

Yahoo Treats news as ad, or vice versa.... (1)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819326)

AOL seems to have a clear policy against this at this page [aol.com] but since I don't "do" AOL I couldn't swear to it. Yahoo appears to have no such restrictions.

I think Slashdot was Trolled (3, Redundant)

GreyyGuy (91753) | more than 12 years ago | (#2819327)

The only Ad links I see are on the right side of the page in an ad shaped box under text that clearly says ADVERTISEMENT.

It think it's slimy of the advertiser, but I wouldn't blame Yahoo for it. I got caught by it once before, but since then mentally block it out.
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