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Linuxwatch Budget System of 2001

Hemos posted more than 12 years ago | from the for-real-people dept.

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A reader writes "Linuxwatch.org has posted their Budget System of 2001 in response to LinuxHardware's 2001 System of the year. Boasting their system is 13% of the price and plenty of power for "normal users". Running at 1.4Ghz with 256MB RAM, it doesn't seem to bad for "normal users"(whatever that means)IMHO."

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cecil36 (104730) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826177)

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Java applet (-1)

core10k (196263) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826182)

I'm having a really strange Java applet problem. Whenever I sign an applet, after I load up the applet,and the 'do you wish to accept this certificate?' dialog box shows, the applet runs much more slowly!

I've checked every other possibility, and I am not kidding, it's the dialog box that does it in. You might be saying "Well, that's easy, you've got thread starvation" except that, well, no part of the Applet begins running until AFTER you've accepted that darned certificate.

Has anyone else ran into this problem before? Anyone know how to solve it?

PS Gaylord, go fuck yourself

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2826183)

fp well maybe . . .

suck it geeks (-1)

neal n bob (531011) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826185)

I am leaving for the weekend. Enjoy watching your mom in the bathtub or touching yourself to Magic: the gathering cards or whatever the hell you people do.

And they wonder why sales have dropped... (5, Insightful)

fmaxwell (249001) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826199)

The "average user" is someone who surfs the web, sends the occasional e-mail, and writes letters. And that user does not significantly benefit from a ghz-class machine. Put them on an "old" 700mhz machine from a couple of years ago, and they do just fine. More and more individuals and businesses are realizing that the computers that they already own work fine for what they do. People no longer drum their fingers waiting for programs to load, files to compress, and spreadsheets to recalculate.

Sure, there are a handful of people who really do need fast machines, but, as Apple has realized, you don't need to have ghz+ machines to satisfy the average user.

Re:And they wonder why sales have dropped... (1)

quarter (14910) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826260)

are you kidding, i am constantly waiting for apps to load

i'd like to see more research into sub second response time for anything i do with a computer. maybe put those spare cycle to work analyzing my patterns so that stuff i will want or need soon are loaded in the background.

Re:And they wonder why sales have dropped... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2826297)

Get a faster hard drive and your apps will load much faster when you go from ATA to SCSI.

Re:And they wonder why sales have dropped... (2, Funny)

jonestor (443666) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826348)

maybe put those spare cycle to work analyzing my patterns so that stuff i will want or need soon are loaded in the background

Doesn't windows already do this?

Re:And they wonder why sales have dropped... (2, Funny)

2bitHax0r (550289) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826377)

Yeah, it analyzes exactly when I'm doing something crucial and provokes me with a blue screen...

They'll do anything to market a better computer!

Re:And they wonder why sales have dropped... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2826332)

So what your saying is we need a new "killer app".

Re:And they wonder why sales have dropped... (1)

3prong (241218) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826353)


as Apple has realized, you don't need to have ghz+ machines to satisfy the average user.

As Apple has realized, you don't need to make anything but a snowglobe with a desklamp attached [apple.com] to satisfy the average user.

Re:And they wonder why sales have dropped... (4, Insightful)

Afrosheen (42464) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826359)

Looks like you've fallen into the 'measure performance by clock speed' trap that others following Intel-compatible architectures often do. Mhz/ghz is NOT a measure of speed when comparing risc-like chipsets from Motorola and IBM. Alot of g4's can outperform Intel chips that run at twice the mhz rating. AMD has just proven this when you compare the new AMD XP chipsets to Intel chipsets. The AMD's can smoke Intel chips that cost alot more and run at a higher clock speed. They have more instructions per clock cycle than the Intel chips do, among other things.

Don't be fooled by mhz ratings, pure and simple.

MIPS dammit! (2)

Brendan Byrd (105387) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826409)

Where are the classic MIPS ratings? It's a simple but fairly accurate statement on how fast a processor will go. A 486 100MHz and a Pentium 100MHz has the same MHz, but not the same MIPS.

Re:And they wonder why sales have dropped... (3, Informative)

geekoid (135745) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826376)

I would toss games into the average user catagory these days.
Many "non-gamers" enjoy Golf games, or flight sim stuff. While these games arne't quake, they can be proc. intensive. A lot of calculations go into figureing out what a golf ball needs to do in order to bahes realistically.

Re:And they wonder why sales have dropped... (5, Informative)

Dominic_Mazzoni (125164) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826389)

Keep in mind that the average Linux user - even if he/she isn't a programmer - spends a fair amount of time compiling software.

And for compiling software, processor speed makes more of a difference than just about anything else.

Besides, even though this is a budget computer, you don't want the absolute cheapest computer ever, you want something with a reasonable price/performance ratio. Processors slower than this one give you a lot less performance for hardly any savings, while faster than this one give you a little bit more performance for a lot more money.

Linux Watch (3, Funny)

Talinom (243100) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826202)

Oops, I thought they meant a watch running Linux at 1.4Ghz with 256MB RAM.

Booya! I'll take one of those.

I'm in budget territory (5, Insightful)

stevens (84346) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826210)

I'm glad they highlight the budget system. As a software developer, I find most of my desktop cycles are spare. Even builds I do on a server. Budget systems can do more now than supercomputers a few years ago.

What the computer industry really needs are some breakthroughs in software development to enhance stability and usability.

Re:I'm in budget territory (-1)

core10k (196263) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826236)

Java!

Woot.

this (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2826211)

this sounds an awful lot like socialism to me

Normal for me... (1)

bytor4232 (304582) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826212)


Well, when you are building Linux From Scratch four or five times a week you need something this heafty!

Re:Normal for me... (2)

b_pretender (105284) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826403)

"Normal Users" use Windows.

Relax, it's just a joke.

comparison article (-1, Offtopic)

Foodler Carp (550281) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826213)

For those shopping in the not-so-budget Linux systems category, there's this site. [iraqis.org]

They've got a huge comparison of several systems that have been mass-manufactured and custom built. The results are very surprising...

Re:comparison article (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2826273)

Um... how the hell is this offtopic? God damned crack-smoking moderators. Somebody mod this back up where it belongs.

PS, great article

(OT)Iraqis.org is not a computer review site (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2826285)

Iraqis.org is not a computer review site. Avoid iraqis.org like it's goatse.cx or buttse.cx. When you go to a certain page on iraqis.org, it plays a wav "Hey everybody I'm looking at gay porno!" through IE bgsound and then pops up dozens of windows containing a Mr. Goatse jpg, challenging your ability to press Ctrl+W faster than your machine can open windows. I admit it isn't as bad as comp-u-geek (20 popup windows that all run an endless loop of JS alerts), but it's still very annoying and misleading.

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Pinocchio

Re:(OT)Iraqis.org is not a computer review site (-1)

The Turd Report (527733) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826328)

C'mon, just admit it. You were looking at gay porno. It is Ok, really. Fag.

Re:comparison article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2826301)

whoa! Thanks! this may well influence my very next purchase

no monitor? (1)

amstrad (60839) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826215)

or is this just a for servers?

bad soundcard choice. (3, Informative)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826217)

for the same price you can get a turtle beach - santa Cruz. nice linux support, and it beats the tar out of the soundblaster live in specs reliability and system stability. (SBLive is NOT PCI2.1 compliant and does leak noise onto the PCI bus. link about it here [viahardware.com]

Otherwise, couple that machine with a nice 15" Flat panel display and you have a nice Lan-party Box.

Re:bad soundcard choice. (2, Interesting)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826286)

forgot a link.... soundcards compared [pcavtech.com]

This will give hard specs about the SB live compared to a ton of other cards... Heck the SBLive is of lower quality than the SB64PCI.

I want to see the New Audigy line spec'd out. did they finally fix all the audio problems or is it a Live warmed over.

Re:bad soundcard choice. (1)

Afrosheen (42464) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826369)

Bah, who cares about the SBLive, they never finished the linux drivers and the support is poor at best. The Audigy will probably be more of the same. Windows-only if you want all the features.
If Nvidia bought Creative I think it'd be a different story.

It sure beats no sound card.... (5, Interesting)

2Bits (167227) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826379)

In our company, computers are not even allowed to have sound card, coz:

  • Employees are sitting too close to each other, sound card would just disturb other people
  • Everyone is in one big room (for better communication between employees, that's what we're told), so no sound insulation
  • Sound card does not add any value to coding and debugging
  • The company is against pirating music from Napster
  • The company is against sound pollution
  • The company is a software development house, not a music content creator
  • You are supposed to work, not listen to radio during company's time
  • It saves money for the company. When the company makes profits, everyone will be better off (last time I checked, the company's making profit, and those who are better off seem to all have pointy hair. Well, we don't have snacks anymore, as this is not healthy. So I guess we are better off too...)

Re:It sure beats no sound card.... (2)

Fencepost (107992) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826390)

If you have everyone close together in one big room, I can almost guarantee that a significant proportion of your people (the ones who don't have to spend a lot of time on the phone) are wearing headphones and using CD or MP3 players.

Re:It sure beats no sound card.... (2, Funny)

RevDiaBLo (4291) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826454)

Sounds like a horrible place to work. Do they allow smiling? What about yawning? I'm sure laughing is a huge no-no. :)

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Dubious prices. (1)

Kenja (541830) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826225)

These prices seem rather low, and I love the part where they say "Throw a CD-Rom, Modem and/or NIC into this box" but don't include the cost of doing so in the bottom line.

Budget System??!! (1)

El_Smack (267329) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826228)

Man, that box has almost twice the juice of my best box at home. Thank heaven for work, where someone else can foot the bill for my hardware habit. Course, even an underpaid admin like me could scrounge up 400 bones.... if he wasn't married....with 2 kids....and one on the way. *sigh*

Re:Budget System??!! (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2826275)

Listen to this guy kiddies. Every married guy with kids will tell you the same thing. DON'T get married. DON'T have kids! Believe me, you will thank me in 10 years when you are cruising in your powerboat down to the islands for the weekend so you can stay at your summer house on the lake instead of changing filthy diapers and arguing with your ungrateful wife. NOTHING good can come out of being married or having kids except a divorce and losing custody of the ungrateful little bastards.

bullshit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2826232)

$55 for a radeon? Are they fucking nuts?

The last Radeon I bought was $395. What do I get for $55? A 2mb pci card?

Price Watch has ATI Radeon LE for $59 (2, Informative)

yerricde (125198) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826319)

$55 for a radeon? Are they ... nuts?

Last time I checked, you could get a ATI Radeon video card starting at $39 [pricewatch.com] .

--
"pine in gap" is NOT an innuendo

ATI Radeon, yup. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2826404)

A few months ago I bought an ATI Radeon LE AGP 32MB for only $75 (oem white box version, no bundled games or other graphics software only the drivers cdrom), so yeah by now I bet they are available for $55.

And by the way, the ATI Radeon absolutely rocks with KDE 2.2 with all the transparency and other eye candy turned doo-dads turned on. Crystal clear sharp and smooth as silk.

You'll need it to make up for the cost of Linux (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2826233)

Let's have a close look at the costs involved when running a Linux system.

An important factor in Linux' cost is its maintenance. Linux requires a *lot* of maintenance, work doable only by the relatively few high-paid Linux administrators that put themselves - of course willingly - at a great place in the market. Linux seems to be needing maintenance continuously, to keep it from breaking down.

Add to this the cost of loss of data. Linux' native file system, EXT2FS, is known to lose data like a firehose spouts water when the file system isn't unmounted properly. Other unix file systems are much more tolerant towards unexpected crashes. An example is the FreeBSD file system, which with soft updates enabled, performance-wise blows EXT2FS out of the water, and doesn't have the negative drawback of extreme data loss in case of a system breakdown.

According to Linux advocates, an alternative to EXT2FS would be ReiserFS. Unfortunately, ReiserFS is still in beta stage. This means it is not intended for production use (although according to many Linux advocates this shouldn't be a problem, which makes me wonder how (little) valuable they find your data).

The other proposed 'solution', EXT3FS, is nothing more than an ugly hack to put journaling into the file system. All the drawbacks of the ancient EXT2FS file system remain in EXT3FS, for the sake of 'forward- and backward compatibility'. This is interesting, considering that the DOS heritage in the Windows 9x/ME series was considered a very bad thing by the Linux community, even though it provided what could be called one of the best examples of compatibility, ever. When it's about Linux, compatibility constraints don't seem to be that much of a problem for Linux advocates.

Back to Linux' cost. Factor in also the fact that crashes happen much more often on Linux than on other unices. On other unices, crashes usually are caused by external sources like power outages. Crashes in Linux are a regular thing, and nobody seems to know what causes them, internally. Linux advocates try to hide this fact by denying crashes ever happen. Instead, they have frequent "hardware problems".

The steep learning curve compared to about any other operating system out there is a major factor in Linux' cost. The system is a mix of features from all kinds of unices, but not one of them is implemented right. A Linux user has to live with badly coded tools which have low performance, mangle data seemingly at random and are not in line with their specification. On top of that a lot of them spit out the most childish and unprofessional messages, indicating that they were created by 14-year olds with too much time, no talent and a bad attitude.

I could go on and on and on, but the conclusion is clear. Linux is not an option for any one who seeks a professional OS with high performance, scalability, stability, adherence to standards, etc.

Hardware Prices vs Software (5, Insightful)

EraseEraseMe (167638) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826234)

It's interesting to see how prices for hardware continually drops while software prices (Non-free as in beer software) maintain or increase in price. The total system cost for machine listed in the article is $399..Now, let's add Windows...$99, an office suite $150, anti-virus software, $59...We've almost immediately doubled the price of the machine by merely adding functionality. This is quite possibly why people accept paying extragavant prices for software; it's a trade-off..lower prices for hardware, higher prices for software = maintain status quo of computer system pricing.

Re:Hardware Prices vs Software (1)

ewomack (225766) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826314)

You're kidding, right?

This is from Linuxwatch, a pro Linux site. The cost of the OS and software IS included.

Re:Hardware Prices vs Software (1)

EraseEraseMe (167638) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826341)

Exactly my point! Now take the average non-linux user and give them this system with the promise of a "Low-cost high-end" PC and see what happens..

Software costs will double the resultant total.

It's almost cyclical in the computer industry. There was a time when software was the cheap piece of the computer system pie and IBM capitalized on this while software manufacturers did not. Will there come a time when another type or field of technology replaces software as the dominant pricing variance? Maybe when programming becomes so ubiquitous that any and all computer users can do it on their own...or complicated AI algorithms code on the fly according to usage, and the majority of the price of a system is dependant on how complex the AI you're purchasingi s

You pay too much for software (2)

yerricde (125198) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826362)

Now, let's add Windows...$99

full official version of Red Hat 7.2...$70. It's as easy to install as any version of Windows I've tried.

an office suite $150

Even a Windows office suite doesn't cost $150. You can get OpenOffice.org suite [openoffice.org] for only the cost of downloading 48 MB (three hours over a 56K modem).

anti-virus software, $59...

Don't overpay. Here's Norton AV 2002 for $20 [softwareoutlet.com] .

We've almost immediately doubled the price of the machine by merely adding functionality.

Re:You pay too much for software (1)

EraseEraseMe (167638) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826384)

full official version of Red Hat 7.2...$70. It's as easy to install as any version of Windows I've tried.

Yes, but will it run Office 2000? How about Outlook or Exchange or any of the applications that 95% of users currently use? That's the point I was trying to make, not that we can put Linux on it and keep it cheap.

Even a Windows office suite doesn't cost $150. You can get OpenOffice.org suite [openoffice.org] for only the cost of downloading 48 MB (three hours over a 56K modem).

Now try to send a document to someone using Office 2000 and see if they receive it (Of course, heh, this system didn't come with a modem, so technically downloading it isn't even an option ;)(Doubly, it didn't come with a CDROM either, so the whole shebang is moot)

Don't overpay. Here's Norton AV 2002 for $20 [softwareoutlet.com].
Uhh, I'll just say I meant in Canadian funds so I don't embarass myself :)

Definition of 'Normal User'? (1)

00Monkey (264977) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826246)

No offense meant here but I think Linuxwatch.org needs to better define what it thinks a normal user is. In my opinion, working in the IT field myself, this would be a waste on the "normal user".

How I personally define it is the medium of all the 100+ companies users I've met over the last few years.

So what does it mean... (4, Interesting)

dperkins (63220) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826253)

...if their budget system is 4 times faster than my system?

*blush in shame*

And I consider myself a geek...

Re:So what does it mean... (2)

jgerman (106518) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826288)

Not ALL geeks need the fastest computer out there. I'm perfectly happy with running my 450 everything works great, and since I play very few games it's more than enough for coding on. Of course if I could really get a machine that cheap I'd probably do it, I am getting tired of dual boot.

Re:So what does it mean... (1)

dperkins (63220) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826375)

Even worse, your 450 is still 100 MHz faster than my 350. I really need to upgrade.

Re:So what does it mean... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2826426)

And your 350 is 194 MHz faster than my 166

Re:So what does it mean... (2)

SuperguyA1 (90398) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826337)

Think of it as running on 'antique hardware' you get extra geek points for that.

Re:So what does it mean... (2)

talks_to_birds (2488) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826433)

"Think of it as running on 'antique hardware' you get extra geek points for that."

Cool..

I've got Red Hat 5.2 running on a 1990 Gateway 2000 20mhz 80368 with 8mb RAM in separate, socketed DRAM chips, with an ATI OEM video card with a screaming 512kb video RAM going into an early '90s 13" Gateway 2K CrystalScan 1024NI monitor.

Only thing missing from the original box is the 5.25" floppy drive, which is now a CD-ROM, and the original 65mb rll HDD, which is now a 320mb WD HDD...

Uptime is currently a taste over 6 months...

How's that for cool?

t_t_b

Re:So what does it mean... (3, Interesting)

talks_to_birds (2488) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826458)

Here's a pic [finchhaven.com]

t_t_b

Re:So what does it mean... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2826419)

Hell, my primary system at home is a Gateway P90 from
~1992 with 64M RAM (you know the one). Plenty fast to run OpenBSD, X, WindowMaker, Apache, Sendmail, and allow me to do C/C++ and Java development.

Of course, building the kernel and userland from source takes up a good part of a weekend...

Enlightenment ????? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2826254)

Enlightenment just posted the date for .17 as 2005/12/12 in neverland :)

monitor? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2826255)

Since when can a "normal" user use a PC without a monitor?

Well, you know it's late on Friday... (2)

sid_vicious (157798) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826263)

... because even the webservers don't feel like working. Linuxwatch.com has been successfully slashdotted. Anyone who got through mind posting the hardware configuration of this wonderful budget beast?

Re:Well, you know it's late on Friday... (1)

jfmiller (119037) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826427)

Apperently there web server is running on this hardware. Please mod up parrent if you can so the rest of us can read this article.

JFMILLER

Soyo Motherboards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2826264)

Soyo motherboards are hard to beat. They are just as fast as any other brand, are built extremely well, and seem to be more stable than ASUS, ABIT, TYAN, MSI, and every other brand I've tried. I like 'em a lot, and my next machine will be based on a Soyo DRAGON mobo with Athlon 1900+XP. My current machine is ASUS with a VIA chipset overclocking a P-III/600(100fsb) to 800MHz(using full 133 fsb) and it seems too slow for me these days. ATI Radeon video cards rock too!!!

Re:Soyo Motherboards (2, Informative)

Kenja (541830) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826293)

However, the Soyo (and your ASUS) board use the Via southbridge POS. After upgrading my system to a SiS based performing I realized how poor my Soyo and Abit systems where performing. the DMA and PCI implementation on the VIA chipsets is just bad.
See The Register for one example of problems with Via Chipsets. http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/3/23502.html

Re:Soyo Motherboards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2826296)

So how does the Soyo compare to the Abit? I've built 4 or 5 systems using various Abit motherboards over the last couple of years and have had excellent results and no problems. Do the Soyo boards offer similar features like Abit's software based CPU configuration in the BIOS setup? I refuse to EVER go back to fscking around with jumpers or dip switches to set the speed of my CPU after using Abits. :-)

Re:Soyo Motherboards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2826388)

Yes SOYO does have all the overclocking stuff in the BIOS setup menus, very handy too. Their newest boards even have a corny software voice synthesizer in the BIOS that speaks to you thru the PC speaker during boot-up if it encounters any errors. WooHoo!!!

Very good question (2, Interesting)

DragonWyatt (62035) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826274)

It's just like the AC on the site asked (paraphrasing), "Great box, where's the vendor?"

I know that the place I work for would probably buy lots of these for an appliance app we've designed and sell, if we could get decent no-hassle quick-turnaround warranty service on them.

Great site! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2826276)

This is what I get:

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /article.php on this server.

Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

Apache/1.3.20 Server at www.linuxwatch.org Port 80

Or buy it premade (2)

john@iastate.edu (113202) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826280)

Some of the local big box retailers have had 900Mhz Celeron systems complete with 17" monitor and printer for $399 after rebates.

I know some people hate eMachines, but my two have been problem free, including one which is now more than 4 yrs old.

Preference (1, Offtopic)

3ryon (415000) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826284)

Well, I never got to read the first aritlce because it was slashdotted, and it looks like I won't be able to read this one. Maybe both of these sites should follow their own advice and build some beefier servers.

Good for a lot (5, Interesting)

JanneM (7445) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826290)

I like really fast systems; I simulate brain areas for a living (or, well, for a PhD), and like lots of speed. The reality is, however, that even with an application like that, I spend a very small time actually running the simulator, and most of my time in an editor, writing code, writing papers, or writing grant proposals. This system, overall, would probably make me just as happy as a biggest-bang-of-all kind of product.

The only app I can think of that would require the best PC available (and that does not simply require the fastest system) is games. You want to run really serious simulations or hardware design apps? Well, get a big workstation or a PC cluster or something. You want to run smaller stuff? Run it on an ordinary PC, maybe get a cup of coffee while it churns - or get some text written while the simulator is working.

We're approaching the inflection point where it simply does not apply to get steadily faster, more potent computers. Last years machine - or that of three years ago - will do pretty much everything you throw at it. Not even MS has been able to increase system requirements at the same speed hardware has improved for the last couple of years.

/Janne

Not a complete system.. (5, Interesting)

roguerez (319598) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826291)

I tried to post a comment at that site, but it seems their comments system is down (slashdotted?). Anyway, I'll post it here:

I miss a monitor, a keyboard, a mouse, a floppy drive and a cpu cooler (you'll need a good one with that CPU: it will not burn out your pocket, but WILL burn out itself and your motherboard if you don't cool it properly).

Furthermore, keeping a cdrom drive out of the equation isn't really honest. Almost any desktop box needs one. I don't know whether a NIC is included in the "system of the year", but this is the same as for a cdrom: almost any desktop box needs one.

I guess we can double the price for this so called budget system, because working without input and output devices (silly unneeded things like a monitor/keyboard etc) is a bit difficult.

Re:Not a complete system.. (1)

Afrosheen (42464) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826417)

Quote "(you'll need a good one with that CPU: it will not burn out your pocket, but WILL burn out itself and your motherboard if you don't cool it properly)."

Yet more lack-of-hardware-understanding. Most of the Intel chips in recent years have thermistors-on-die which throttle back the chip if the core temp gets too high. The last generation Athlons were missing this but the new stuff all has it. Unless this is a pre-amd XP chip, don't worry too much. If the cooler quits working, the worst that can happen is either your chip throttles back and your system chunks, or it locks up, you lose some data (maybe) and you reboot after it cools off (and you figure out what happened). You won't destroy your motherboard or your chip in this scenario.

who cares (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2826294)

linux is dead anyway.

linux and budget? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2826295)

Funny words together.....

Kinda like Microsoft and Good

or Athiest and logical.

Lovely. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2826298)

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access / on this server.

Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

Apache/1.3.20 Server at www.linuxwatch.org Port 80

Maybe their servers are a little too 'budget' (2, Funny)

pheph (234655) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826299)

Looks like they're /.'d, i guess it just goes to show that a budget desktop isn't a budget server.

Re:Maybe their servers are a little too 'budget' (0)

AtaruMoroboshi (522293) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826414)



Ah good, found the joke I was going to make, so that I don't need to make it.

.

Anyone have specs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2826306)

The site was immediately /.'d, which is alone is a fun thing to type. /.'d, /.'d, /.'d.
Seriously, just a run down on specs would be swell.

Another Comparison... (1, Flamebait)

toupsie (88295) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826309)

The Linux Watch website was slashdotted in 13% of the time that it took Linux Hardware. Guess that is what you get when you use cheap hardware. Next time, spend the money and get something worth using. Value not only refers to cost of the machine but the quality within.

Beowolf? (2, Funny)

WyldOne (29955) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826461)

Thank God Sex is not licensed under GPL or everyone would get to watch! -- me

That's what porn videos are ;)

You would think they could have at least beowolfed them...

Not a valid depiction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2826322)

The site is interesting but doesn't really address the task very well. Lumping the users together and calling them average makes no sense. Every user has different needs, even M$ users do different things with their boxes. A better system might have been to rank components by price point and funtionality relative to the users' needs. Just my bit. Cheers and have a great weekend.

Where's the rest of it? (2)

SpinyNorman (33776) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826323)

Nice idea, and I'd buy one if they were on sale, but it does seem to be missing a few things such as a keyboard, mouse, monitor, and most importantly a power supply (I doubt that $40 case comes with a $300 Athlon power supply). No CD-RW or DVD either, but I guess that's OK for a budget box.

Does anyone actually sell these type configurations for $500 ?

Re:Where's the rest of it? (3, Funny)

roguerez (319598) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826401)

Ah, the hidden cost of the Athlon: you need a $300 power supply. Or did you mean 300 W.. ;)

Re:Where's the rest of it? (2)

recursiv (324497) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826448)

I think he meant 300W, as I got mine from a local (not cheap) computer parts store for something like $50.

Uncreative System (5, Interesting)

tempmpi (233132) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826327)

I think there system lacks any creativity. Now that you can buy all the processing power an average user needs very cheaply, why do they just make a budget system centered on performance ?
They should made a system centered on low noise or one that has good look or something other that isn't found in every system now.
What about making a small and quite system using a shuttle sv24 barebone [hwextreme.com] with a passive cooled c3 ? Or a dual duron ?
And why did they just use 256 mb ? Now that ram is that cheap, they should brought at least 512 mb while that 1.4 ghz athlon isn't really needed. Or what about ECC sdram ?

As I tell my PC owning friends (1)

zephc (225327) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826336)

"Why dont you go set some jumpers on your commodity hardware" ;)

1.4 Ghz? (3, Insightful)

ImaLamer (260199) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826345)

I'm running 750 Mhz Slot A Athlon [classic] on a windoze box. This is a smoking machine even with the huge over head of XP. All the fluffy things don't seem to slow me down.

The difference seems to be the amount of ram. I've went from 128 to 384 and cut my boot time in half, so it seemed. When I dual-booted from this box, linux smoked and I've never seen a faster machine.

My linux box is simply a 333Mhz K6-2. Nothing seems to be slow there. I must admit that I don't run X, quake or etc... but it seems to be enough.

A budget system at 1.4Ghz seems to be a little much. But while we are on the subject, the amount of RAM seems to be low considering that RAM is so cheap.

I could be wrong, I can access the page.. or any page at Linuxwatch.

Mobo supports up to 1.2ghz? (3, Insightful)

itsnotme (20905) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826354)

One weird thing that I saw, I was looking up the mobo and some of the stats on the motherboard say that it supports up to 1.2ghz cpu's and yet they're trying to put a 1.4ghz cpu into it?

Is this free advertising (1)

c59414643211169 6518 (550306) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826361)

Who paid slashdot to post this? This is an ad...

Slashdotted (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2826365)

Does anyone have a mirror?

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /article.php on this server.

Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

Apache/1.3.20 Server at www.linuxwatch.org Port 80

403 Forbidden (1)

jmkaza (173878) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826367)

Of course, it would help if the link was to a site we could access.

Budget webserver (1)

RetardHumper (549254) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826383)

5 comments and already slashdotted....

Site is down (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2826387)

Hope it wasn't running on the Machine of the Year.

It IS sold commercially (3, Informative)

UserChrisCanter4 (464072) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826392)

I noticed the circular for my local Fry's advertised a desktop (w/o monitor) for $299 this morning. 900Mhz Celeron, 128MB RAM, 20GB HDD. When I looked closer, it said it was linux 1.3-based (whatever the hell that means, aren't we on the 2.4x kernel now?). The ad declared that it supported "e-mail, web browsing, and word processing", and that "Windows [was] available for additional charge". So it really does appear that these sorts of machines are being sold retail.

Slashdot Effect ^ 1000 (1)

The Great Wakka (319389) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826394)

Good God! The server is so out of it that then ENTIRE THING is now off limits! They didn't take their server down, but it is quite a way to deal with the problem.

403: Forbidden.

Don't tell me they're running this site... (3, Funny)

mystery_bowler (472698) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826398)

on such a system, because that would explain why it's /.'d all to heck. ;)

No chance of a mirror, eh? How about a Google cache?

Free (2, Funny)

kick_in_the_eye (539123) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826411)

My Dad threw it out last year, A P75 with 32 MB and an 800 MB dirve. Its headless, but it runs slackware 8.0 and is my dns, mail server, web server, ssh server and pop mail client for the whole family. For style I spray painted it green, but ran out 3/4 of the way. Gotta love it.

Uh huh (0, Redundant)

rho (6063) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826413)

Since Linuxwatch.org has blown chunks, and it appears Linuxhardware.org is still Slashdotted from yesterday, I don't have much to say.

Bwahaha - fair warning (2, Interesting)

WyldOne (29955) | more than 12 years ago | (#2826447)

You don't have permission to access / on this server

And I thought we were slash.

But, Hemos you should give them fair warning before you post a hardware realted article. You know we're a bunch of OCP junkies
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