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USPS Irradiation Damages Electronics

michael posted more than 12 years ago | from the enduring-freedom dept.

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meehawl writes: "Bummer. Turns out the USPS's new Electron Beams anthrax zappers can erase and sometimes permanently damage CompactFlash cards. I wonder what other sensitive electronics will get wiped, not to mention seeds, film, some plastics, and so on. I guess it's more reason to use Fedex and UPS, at least unless and until they deploy these beam weapons as well. All this disruption for a campaign that killed five people? Some people think using the beams will lead to more deaths and injuries among operators. Meanwhile, electron beam makers, SureBeam, just got an analyst upgrade." Err, and be careful what you irradiate.

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Yes, you have no banana... (-1, Troll)

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Ban Klerck already!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828212)

Goddamnit!

I hereby demand that Klerck's IP(s) are banned and his account is killed.

If you agree with me, please sign this appeal by replying to my post.

Re:Ban Klerck already!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828398)

ban him? WAY too mild of a punishment - I hope he catches anthrax!

Oh goodie. (1)

Mister Snee (549894) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828210)

I can see this being a really big deal to the type of people who'll have conniptions over anything sciencey and scary-sounding... you know, the same ones who lobby against genetically-engineered foods with signs like "NO FRANKENFOODS!".

"And now they're putting radiation in our mail! Where will the madness end?"

These tend to be the same people who are afraid of microwave ovens...

On the more realistic side of things, though, I can see that being a real problem for all sorts of electronics. It's not really the sort of endurance test they're put through in QA.

Re:Oh goodie. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828227)

genetically-engineered foods with signs like "NO FRANKENFOODS!"

Well, there's no way of telling what the genetical manipulation will do to our crops in the long run.

There may not be harmful effects but then again there might be catastrophic effects. Therefore it is wiser not to risk modifying the genetic structure the nature has spent billions of years perfecting. We can very well feed the world without resorting to genetics. The real problem is a political and economical (=greed).

Re:Oh goodie. (0, Offtopic)

Mister Snee (549894) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828243)

There may not be harmful effects but then again there might be catastrophic effects. Therefore it is wiser not to risk modifying the genetic structure the nature has spent billions of years perfecting. You're completely correct, but I'm referring specifically to scaremongers with little practical knowledge for whom the words "genetic engineering" conjures up images of Jurassic Park and other such generic doomsday messages of man interfering with nature. Which isn't to say I'm at all in favour of a system that non-selectively bombards peoples' personal items with "the radioactive equivalent of 825 million chest X-rays". Frankly it scares the hell out of me. I just tend to be annoyed by uninformed panic in all its forms. :D

Re:Oh goodie. (1)

gazbo (517111) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828425)

Why the fuck is it scary to bombard belongings with "the radioactive equivalent of 825 million chest X-rays"?

Surely your high school physics gives you enough knowledge about different types of radiation ("What?!? You mean there's not just one like those '50s B movies implied") that you're not expecting your packages to get a half-life?

As a point of interest, many foodstuffs are irradiated before transport to kill all sorts of bugs - It doesn't scare the hell out of me.

The only way this irradiation is scary is in the sense that I am scared to have expensive electronics damaged.

ReGM birdies. (1)

satanami69 (209636) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828249)

You need to check out Harvest of Fear which is a PBS documentary on GM foods. Personally, I cannot stand those Greenpeace protesters. They have set fire and destroyed more than Monstanto has, yet they still think they are doing right. [pbs.org]

I'd like to think that GM foods can be safe, but the doc shows a nice ad of a happy family underneath a birds nest promoting DDT(which is from the 50's) before they knew the real dangers.

Getting back to the irradiation, this step was more for easing the general public opinions of anthrax letters. We all wanted to see action, and this was the best idea used. Now that we know that the side affects are worse than the prevention, it's time to scrap it and start over. Maybe we can genetically modify canaries to die whenever they detect anthrax spores(kinda a throwback to the coalminers)

the nature (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828282)

the nature has spent billions of years perfecting.

The nature does not perfect anything: the evolution only crawls towards imperfection. Human eye, for instance, is massively imperfect design.

Re:Oh goodie. (0, Offtopic)

Sethb (9355) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828378)

Yes, but you're overlooking the genetic engineering we've been doing for the last several thousand years.

Seedless Grapes - Don't occur in nature, they were obtained through selective breeding. Pretty obvious there, without seeds, they can't very well succeed on their own.

Cattle without horns - Again, selective breeding was used to create safer cattle without horns, but we hardly refer to them as genetically modified.

While I agree that you have to be careful with what you're throwing into the genetic mix, please don't make it sound like there was some magic spell of perfection cast over our food supply until the Bio-Tech industry came along.

Re:Oh goodie. (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828237)

You can see it being a real problem for all sorts of electronics? Oh, I see, you're one of those whiney "Waaaahh, they hurt my electronics, where will the madness end?!?" kinds of people. Boo hoo hoo! You just paid $40 for a flash card and it was irreversibly damaged by an electron beam? You're a whiner!! Just like those stupid "NO FRANKENFOODS!" people who whine about genetically modified corn that kills monarch butterflies being irreversibly released into the wild. Tough shit! Fuck your personal loss of a flash card and fuck the world's loss of monarch butterflies, you whining putz. Gawd, I hate people who have conniptions over anything that is really shortsighted and destructive. These tend to be the same people who are afraid of removing the door seals on their microwave ovens.

Re:Oh goodie. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828258)

My *god* people, GET SOME PRIORITIES!

P.S. You people make me sick!

Re:Oh goodie. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828296)

what priorities would those be....

Am I reading this right? (2, Insightful)

Cpyder (57655) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828213)

"All this disruption for a campaign that killed five people? " What's next? "All this security measures for this 4 planes a year that get hijacked?" "All this bombs for this really small percentage of women that are being tortured?"

Re:Am I reading this right? (2, Funny)

Mister Snee (549894) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828218)

This could kill a lot more than five people, depending on your definition of "mail-order bride". :/

Re:Am I reading this right? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828268)

"All this disruption for a campaign that killed five people? "

with statements like that, I really wish you had been one of the 5. Howmany would you have liked to see die? It would have been one hell of a lot more if the one to Daschle had been openned. We just got lucky that's all. Lucky that it was only 5.

Re:Am I reading this right? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828344)

I am sure the government is more than capable of making life very unbearable and unpleasant with measures meant to protect us.

Re:Am I reading this right? (0)

Michael The Nifty (525352) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828269)

It's for a reason that they call him Michael the Nifty.

Seatbelts in schoolbuses (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828272)

Not manadatory, because the lives saved were not
"worth" the money spent refitting the nations's
schoolbuses.

I'd take seatbelts in schoolbuses over this stupidity, anyday.

Re:Am I reading this right? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828279)

>"All this bombs for this really small percentage of women that are being tortured?"
That is probably the most naive thing I've read this year.

Re:Am I reading this right? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828283)

Ya lost me dude.... is your point that you're happy with giving up your civil liberties, due process, probable cause before being searched, and privacy rights and have no problem with the bombing of red cross warehouses and hundreds of afghani civilians?

The over-the-top security measures that have been introduced are such a massive pain in the ass that I, along with tens of thousands of other US citizens, have little interest in flying while they're in place. If you haven't noticed, the security measures and third-world airport wait times have done, and will continue to do, far more to destroy the US airline industry than they will do to keep retards with plastic explosives in their shoes from boarding planes.

Re:Am I reading this right? (4, Insightful)

xdroop (4039) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828336)

...and yet, the number of people slaughtered on the highways due to drunk-driving is somehow acceptable.


Can anyone find out how many federal workers have been killed in traffic "accidents" since September 11? I bet it's more than five.

Re:Am I reading this right? (2)

Quixote (154172) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828429)

Can anyone find out how many federal workers have been killed in traffic "accidents" since September 11? I bet it's more than five.

(powers up the good ol' HP)
Lesseee.. there are 4E4 highway deaths a year, in a population of 2.8E8 .. assuming Federal payroll at 5E5 excluding the military (just a number, sire), this works out to about 70 deaths per year, or about 6 per month. The answer to your question would be about 24.

sniff... I love my calculator.... sniff...

I like to poop (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828214)

yes!

page lengthening post! (-1)

Klerck (213193) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828216)

go to hell michael!

Don't forget to add me [slashdot.org] to your foes list! Fags!

Back by unpopular demand, more random number crapflooding!

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There is more to this story... (2, Funny)

mESSDan (302670) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828223)

It isn't widely publicized, but a person known as Bruce Banner was involved in the development of the electron beam. During testing, he and the photographer that the Daily Bugle sent over to cover the event, Peter Parker, were caught inside the test chamber of the electron. Peter Parker also had the misfortune of having his pet spider with him at the time, which unfortunately did not survive being irradiated.

This can only lead us to one conclusion; Bruce Banner and Peter Parker are Batman and Robin.

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Klerck (213193) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828224)

michael tracks down "abusive" users and sodomizes them with pitchforks!! He is an abomination to humanity!

Don't forget to add me [slashdot.org] to your foes list! Fags!

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Are you mad? (1, Troll)

Knunov (158076) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828225)

"All this disruption for a campaign that killed five people?"

Yes, you inhumane fuckwit.

To paraphrase Fyodor Dostoevsky, "If the existence of the entire universe, including your happiness, necessitated the torture of even one little girl, would you want it?"

Knunov

The Problem of Evil (2, Interesting)

Knunov (158076) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828245)

I found the exact quote. I should have looked harder before making the original post, but the point is the same:

Taken from The Brothers Karamazov

Ivan: "Tell me yourself, I challenge you answer. Imagine that you are creating a fabric of human destiny with the object of making men happy in the end, giving them peace and rest at last, but that it was essential and inevitable to torture to death only one tiny creature that little child beating its breast with its fist, for instance--and to found that edifice on its unavenged tears, would you consent to be the architect on those conditions? Tell me, and tell the truth."

Alyosha: "No, I wouldn't consent," said Alyosha softly.

Knunov

Re:The Problem of Evil (2)

swb (14022) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828349)

If torturing one little girl could have prevented the Holocaust, would you have supported it?

Presume that you know that the consequences of not torturing this girl are the grinding, hideous death and mutilation of millions.

I know people that would say "No" they wouldn't have tortured the little girl.

Its interesting to rephrase the question as "How many must die for your sense personal virtue? How will you explain your virtue to the relatives of the dead?"

Re:Are you mad? (1)

phagstrom (451510) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828247)


To paraphrase Fyodor Dostoevsky, "If the existence of the entire universe, including your happiness, necessitated the torture of even one little girl, would you want it?"


Hopefully I will never have to make that choice.

But the measure in this case might be a little to harsh.

I am willing to bet that more than five people died last year from eating frensh fries. Why havn't this product that obviously kills people been removed from the market?

Death (even so-called "unnatural" death) is a consequence of life. If everytime someone dies, we remove or restrict what ever killed that person, this planet would be a boring place.

Re:Are you mad? (4, Insightful)

Knunov (158076) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828275)

"I am willing to bet that more than five people died last year from eating frensh fries. Why havn't this product that obviously kills people been removed from the market?"

If someone dies from eating french fries, it is probably because they choked to death or it was the last LDL placed on the cholesterol camel's back. In both cases, it was likely the fault of the person eating the fries, for either eating too quickly or eating too much fatty food.

The anthrax was thrust upon the postal workers, and the mail recipients, without their consent. If you are weighing the lives of 5 people against the blanking of a few memory cards and the people come up light, you need your scale calibrated.

"Death (even so-called "unnatural" death) is a consequence of life. If everytime someone dies, we remove or restrict what ever killed that person, this planet would be a boring place."

I couldn't agree more. If it ever became socially acceptable to hunt down and kill personal injury lawyers, I would be the first to lock and load. However, this is a process to remove anthrax from the world, not fries. Or diving boards. Or 'dangerous' toys. Or hot McDonald's coffee.

Though I mostly agree with your sentiment, I don't think it applies to this case.

Knunov

Re:Are you mad? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828413)

"However, this is a process to remove anthrax from the world, not fries. "

Bullshit. The United States is the number one creator of anthrax in the world by far. If this was a process to remove anthrax, they should stop making 'weapons of mass desctruction.' I think the US needs to be bombed and a team sent in to make sure their programs for creating 'weapons of mass destruction' are halted. The cities of America are not safe until they are razed by bombs just like Baghdad!

Re:Are you mad? (2)

Wakko Warner (324) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828264)

So, what happens when a terrorist kills 5 Americans with a gun?

- A.P.

Re:Are you mad? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828366)

So, what happens when a terrorist kills 5 Americans with a gun?

Assuming he got to his destination on public transportation, we stop and strip search everbody on public transportation on the off chance that they may illegally be carring a gun.

And assuming that a terrorist used the public mail system to deliver a bioweapon, we irradiate every piece of mail using the USPS on the off chance that they may contain anthrax.

Re:Are you mad? (1)

erpbridge (64037) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828381)

Irradiate the terrorist?

Re:Are you mad? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828331)

To be pedantic, the torture of the Little Girl presupposes the existence of the universe (and all it contains), hence proving that the universe can exist without the torture of said Little Girl.

Re:Are you mad? (1)

thogard (43403) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828372)

How many people has the Irradiation already killed? Keep in mind that the only way to get medical samples tested in some parts of the US is to send them to a lab by the Postal Service. How many people are dead already because the USPS radiated their blood samples and the medical tests came back as a false negitve?

Re:Are you mad? (1)

rant-mode-on (512772) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828380)

  • "It's better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it." - Sir Clarence Worley
The same number of people that died in the WTC are killed by guns every 6-7 weeks in the USA. Perhaps you need to review your comment about being humane...?

Re:Are you mad? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828409)

To paraphrase Fyodor Dostoevsky, "If the existence of the entire universe, including your happiness, necessitated the torture of even one little girl, would you want it?"

Hell yes I'd do it - especially if that bitch was sucking up my cable modem bandwidth when I wanna download pr0n.

Re:Are you mad? (5, Funny)

Quixote (154172) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828436)

"If the existence of the entire universe, including your happiness, necessitated the torture of even one little girl, would you want it?"

Either way, the girl's a goner... (or am I misreading the question?)

First Non-Page-Lenghtening Post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828226)

FNPLP!

page lengthening post! (-1)

Klerck (213193) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828229)

michael dresses up in an SS uniform before he begins moderating with his unlimited mod points! Fuck him in the face!

Don't forget to add me [slashdot.org] to your foes list! Fags!

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Re:page lengthening post! (-1)

Carp Flounderson (542291) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828262)

Damn, I mean I've seen it a thousand times, but this troll is just funny as shit. good work dude.

this is bullshit (-1, Flamebait)

atari2600 (545988) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828231)

"All this disruption for a campaign that killed five people?" yes suh you stupid dumbfuck - yes for five people - you *&^#$+)&^&^#$**&#$ - if i spat on you i would have wasted my saliva.

Value of a human life? (2, Troll)

countach (534280) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828232)

All this disruption for a campaign that killed five people?

That's an interesting question - what price a human life. Is 100 man years of inconvenience to everyone else worth say, one human life? Has anybody considered the thousands of man years invested in the WTC's construction. In some ways, those lost years might be considered part of the death toll. They have to now be re-spent for reconstruction. Time that people could have spent living or with their families.

Re:Value of a human life? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828242)

What's the likelyhood that more anthrax will be spread via mail?

Practically zero -- at least if the federal government would face the music and investigate and prosecute their own biowar people who're probably behind the anthrax scare.

Re:Value of a human life? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828250)

Dont bullshit around dood - you would be more concerned if god forbid, someone dear to you had been one of those five people.

Re:Value of a human life? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828364)

Do not emotionalize this. Emotion is the rational killer.

I will let the emotion pass through me, till only rationale remains.

Re:Value of a human life? (2)

Bender Unit 22 (216955) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828303)

The price of a human life is valued all the time.
That is why we are allowed to drive faster than 3mph in our cars. If we limited the speed limit to a crawl, we could avoid people getting kill by cars, inside and outside it. But the impact of such a limit would be to much on any speed limit, even more than the people killed on the roads. So there we have already put a value on it.

Re:Value of a human life? (3, Flamebait)

erroneus (253617) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828324)

Oh I love this argument. The "value" of a single human life... how "noble" of you to feel that way.

First of all, we still don't know why we are here. Don't get religious on me now. We can't and don't really know anything about ourselves, just that we are typically afraid to die. That's all. Nothing more.

Who was it commenting on the "Sanctity of Life." Some comedian guy. More of a standup philosopher than a comedian. Well, I happen to agree with him on that issue. The ideal of the sanctity of life is all skewed. ...because we happen to be alive! You don't hear dead people commenting on the sanctity of life do you?

Finally, and more seriously, if we valued human life, we wouldn't smoke. We wouldn't drink and drive. We wouldn't drive for that matter. The notion here is "acceptable risk."

Again, the motivation for all this "protecting human life" crap isn't about protecting lives as much as it is about protecting asses. They want to avoid being sued.

So get off your high horse and have a look at reality. We do not value life as much as you might think. We value the lives of foreign and faceless people even less. More people die on the freeways than did in the WTC. Okay, maybe not all at once but still!

And besides that, we die anyway. Nothing can stop that from happening.

...oh it's too early in the morning for this...

Re:Value of a human life? (1)

thenerd (3254) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828387)

Oh I love this argument. The "value" of a single human life... how "noble" of you to feel that way.

I don't know your background at all, but I'd like you to think about this:

Imagine you had a five year old daughter. (Perhaps you do!). She's going to be innocent of all the crazy ways people can lose themselves and cause harm. She's not going to know an environment in which someone will not give her, within reason, what will give her comfort. She'll have lots of dreams about what she can do. She'll be secure in your love. Think about this being, she trusts you completely. She relies on you completely. You are going to watch her turn into an adult, with all her hopes, fears, dreams changing through the years. You are responsible for her getting there.

Now I think this human life would be so incredibly valuable to you that you would do anything to continue it, and protect it.

The funny thing is, almost everyone holds someone else in this kind of regard.

Human life is incredibly valuable. That doesn't mean it isn't easily done away with, as it is fragile. That's why is it *is* so precious. That's why people have the notion of this 'sanctity' you seem to sneer at. A lot of people care more about others than you seem to, please respect that even if it doesn't seem real to you. It's real to us. Though maybe I've underestimated you - if I have, I'm sorry.

We value the lives of foreign and faceless people even less.

'We' may value them less, but 'they' value themselves. If they knew us, they would value us more. Just because we don't know someone doesn't stop them being incredibly valuable to someone.

Finally, and more seriously, if we valued human life, we wouldn't smoke. We wouldn't drink and drive. We wouldn't drive for that matter. The notion here is "acceptable risk."

Surely you don't believe that things are as simple as that do you? A whole load of variables, such as environment, the people around us, what we are doing, affect us. Humans are extremely impressionable - think how upset things can make you. Think how you want happiness and success. Maybe sometimes you don't give yourself the fairest deal because of priorities and commitments to others. Other times you need to fit in, because not fitting in would be a whole lot more effort you don't have the energy to make. You want things to happen (because you've got a heart beating), so you can look for excitement. Things aren't as simple as 'Life is valuable, so I will never smoke,' because there are too many of these variables.

I could go on, maybe you've got my point already and I've over-reacted. In summary: We could all keel over tommorow, but that doesn't stop our lives being valuable. often, however, it isn't our own lives we find valuable. We're not 'noble' in some pretentious way, we just care about people who give us happiness and help things along. Your awareness of this may vary, mine does.

thenerd.

Re:Value of a human life? (2)

Quixote (154172) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828439)

First of all, we still don't know why we are here.

I'm here to read Slashdot. Why are you here?

5 People Died? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828235)

Somebody actually died of Anthrax? Do you have any references?

Re:5 People Died? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828251)

Somebody actually died of Anthrax?

No-one important died.

Some old lady and a couple of expendable postal workers.

Postal workers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828285)

And the postal workers are angry because their supervisors didn't move quickly enough to diagnose and treat them.

Hmmm... Let me get this straight: The POSTAL WORKERS are mad because somebody ELSE was jackassing around instead of doing THEIR FUCKING JOB?!?!

Re:Postal workers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828295)

An excellent point.

I've been wonder about this: why is it that employers like the postal office or DHL seem to attract IQ 85 slackers?

I mean if I were lazy like these sonsofabitches I'd steer clear of any work involving moving large crates from point A to B.

Re:Postal workers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828302)

why is it that employers like the postal office or DHL seem to attract IQ 85 slackers

Could it be because you get to break stuff (at UPS in particular)?

stop whining (3, Interesting)

lightray (215185) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828238)

``All this disruption for a campaign that killed five people''

What a short-sighted thing to say. You're whining that protections against the launch of a biological attack might erase your digital camera pictures? Firstly, it is the postal service's precautions that have limited the death toll to five; and secondly, if you mean to imply that a mere five deaths doesn't warrant this astounding level of inconvenience, then what death toll would be needed to justify these measures? ie, how long would you wait? This isn't like holding secret military tribunals or any of the other civil-liberty-violating measures that have been discussed -- this is a simple, safe, effective, and prudent thing to do. I'm sure that the first time a UPS package or FedEx package is found to contain Anthrax or anything similar, then the private couriers will immediately begin irradiating their packages too. In fact, it might even become required by law.

If you're sending something by mail that could perhaps be damaged by certain handling in the mail, you can write a message on the outside of the package requesting special handling. ``Photographs: do not bend.'' ``Perishable: do not freeze.'' Sensitive materials ranging from high speed film to live queen bees are routinely sent through the mail, and it works just fine. I'm sure ``Sensitive: Do not irradiate'' or something of that nature would work just fine. Your mail might be ever so slightly delayed due to the alternate handling, but you'll live.

Re:stop whining (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828259)

I'm sure ``Sensitive: Do not irradiate'' or something of that nature would work just fine.

Can you also write that on a package containing anthrax? ;-) ... and preferably use "magic" ink that fades away after 2 days...

Re:stop whining (1)

lightray (215185) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828271)

Obviously, some other means will be used to inspect the package.

Re:stop whining (1)

Thrakkerzog (7580) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828260)

So attackers should mail anthrax in letters marked "Sensitive: Do not irradiate" now? :-)

Re:stop whining (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828375)

What a foolish thing to say.

I am sure in Sweden you could save lives by driving at no more than 10 mph. I am sure in Sweden you can save lives by making smoking illegal. I am sure you can save lives with other macabre measures. The point is, is it worth it?

Summer Heat, Summer Moisture ... (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828244)

Hemos and I, CmdrTaco, were both fourteen. We were just getting ready for the end of summer. We had started out the week with a campout down by the pond. It was a warm night and we seldom slept early. Hemos and I had played all the young boy games and discovered jerking off together last summer. Now we seldom lost a chance to take a squirt.

Hemos was telling me, CmdrTaco, a story of how his older brother Michael had let a kid we both knew give him a blowjob. Michael said he gave JonKatz a ride home from school and was really horny. He said JonKatz could not stop looking at the bulge in his shorts. Michael said it took some real convincing but he got him to take his cock in his mouth and suck it exactly like his other bitch Jamie did.

I told Hemos he was full of shit that I knew JonKatz and that he didn't look queer. Hemos said his brother said you could never tell who had queer genes in them, but guys who are willing to suck usually who do it. I didn't believe him but the story made me real hard. Hemos had been constantly horny for the last year.

"CmdrTaco, you want to suck my dick?" Hemos asked, me. "No way, asshole, that thing would not fit in my mouth." said. "Why not?" he asked. "I'm not gonna put a cock in my mouth and be known as a queer like JonKatz," I told him. "You would," he assured me. "You might have the queer genes. And I promise I won't cum in your mouth," he added quickly.

I just looked at him, not believing what he wanted me to do. I just shook my head, "You are crazy, dude." He looked at me and said, " You can't tell me you don't want to find out what its like." I said quickly, "Not me, you want one go find JonKatz." He smiled as he looked down at his naked hard cock and then up at me, "Maybe I might find JonKatz for a blowjob, but he's not here and you are, CmdrTaco."

He pumped his cock a few strokes and paused, "Why don't you just try it? I'll put my jockeys back on and you can just put it in your mouth and jerk me off. Any cum will go in my jockeys and your lips won't touch any skin." he added, arguing like he always did.

"Since you won't really be sucking a cock, it won't be queer, and if you don't like it, we can stop," he pleaded. I looked down at Hemos's cock and my face turned red as I realized he had me thinking about sucking his cock. Both of us knew that sucking dick was sucking dick. I knew that if I took his cock in my mouth even covered with his jockey shorts that he would have me do it again.

I looked at Hemos's hard dick. I crossed the line when I said, "put your shorts on it." He quickly grabbed his shorts and pulled them over his rigid cock, "Shit yea, I can't wait. Go for it CmdrTaco." I knelt down between his legs as he sat on the ground cloth. I put my mouth over the head of his cock through his shorts. Hemos said, "Wait I want to know what a blow job feels like and he started taking his shorts back off.

I watched his four-inch cock plop back against his plump stomach as he removed his shorts. I said, "No way, unless you put them on I'm not gonna touch your cock." Hemos started looking around in the tent and came out with a sheer clothe bandana. "How bout this? It will be more like a blowjob and it still will be as if you're not." He wanted me to actually put a bandana covered cock in my mouth yet he was telling me it would not be queer. I had seen Hemos hard before, but this was different. His cock was rock hard and strained in the bandana. I didn't look at Hemos's face as I knelt between his legs again. I became acutely aware of the wetness where precum had soaked through the thin cloth as my mouth covered the place at the tip of his cock. Hemos was waiting, so I lowered my mouth, and I raised my eyes to Hemos's face and I felt his cock twitching and jumping in anticipation.

I turned my attention to his cock and I felt the wetness as I forced out more precum from the cock head in my mouth. I grasped his shaft and started to jerk him off with just the cloth-covered head in my mouth. I held his cock at the base as I continued bobbing my head and sucking on his cock. The slow sucking rhythm caused him to reach the edge. He was shooting and his cum was going into my mouth. The cloth was so wet that it did not slow down the spurts of cum in my mouth I never had time to think about or to turn away before a volley of jism shot through the cloth. Cum just flowed into my mouth and I don't know why I continued to pump his cock.

Hemos was silent as I release his cock from my mouth. He said, "See, CmdrTaco, the cloth did the job and all the cum was captured." There was no way to describe how it felt to suck his dick, but it had been unbelievable. "Well do you have the queer gene? Do you like to suck dick? Want to try it like JonKatz did without the cloth?" Hemos asked. I actually got kind of a thrill and yet was embarrassed that I must have swallowed his cum. I never remember spitting it out.

I told him that the experience had been unbelievable but that I would not do it again. I was glad that I had gone down on Hemos and I knew I would do it again, though I couldn't tell him that. It was less than an hour when he started begging me to do it again. That was fine by me. I think he knew that I was willing. I guess my reluctance was gone, because I didn't have any trouble going down on Hemos again. The second time sucking his dick was easier for me. Hemos started asking me what it felt like while I sucked him. While I was bobbing up and down, with a little more action, Hemos asked me if I wanted to remove the cloth. He said that it was just he and I and he would never tell anyone. He said it was just two dudes experimenting and that he was just joking about the queer genes. I actually wanted to do it yet I was not prepared to go that far. Hemos knew that I liked to suck his cock, yet he knew that it would mean admitting that I was queer if I admitted it and he knew that I wouldn't do that. He had just completed what it took to persuade me to go down on him that night.

The next week Hemos was busy all the time and he didn't talk about what we had done. I thought he was ashamed and I even noticed that he would get hard sometimes while we hung out together. But would always say he had better leave. I thought that he did not want to be embarrassed around me. It was about a week later when I found why he would leave. He told me that he had come home from our trip and that JonKatz was at his house with his brother. He said that he watched him give Michael a blowjob. He said that JonKatz was always trying to get Michael to let him suck him off again, so he said he let him. Now he sucks Michael off all the time. Hemos said after he saw JonKatz go down on his older brother. He looked at me and said "Shit JonKatz sucked me too. Boy it felt good." He smiled and said, "Almost as good as you suck." Hemos was good at getting me to do whatever he wanted. There was no denying I got off on sucking him and I knew what he wanted me, CmdrTaco, to do next.

Re:Summer Heat, Summer Moisture ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828420)

LMAO... Takes me right back to my youth. C'meer boy!

Wrong. (2, Informative)

k98sven (324383) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828248)

There is cause for concern; true, anyone worried about their mail turning radioactive is misguided:
things don't become radioactive by being irradiated.
(except if it's fast neutron radiation, in which case radioactivity may be induced)

On the other hand there is cause for concern when it comes to the chemistry.
When organic compounds get hit by gamma radiation, radicals are formed,
chemical bonds are broken, etc. It's a big mess,
and given the huge diversity of substances being irradiated, it's far to early to tell if
dangerous compounds are formed or not. (probably mostly:not)

One example is that gamma radiation can cause oxygen to form ozone, which is poisonous.

Re:Wrong. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828292)

things don't become radioactive by being irradiated.

And who told you that?

The government??

They said similar things about DDT back in the 50s...

Re:Wrong. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828347)

These are not gamma rays, even the name electron beam suggests that it beams electrons - that kind of radiation is beta radiation, far less dangerous (mostly because it's not able to penetrate just about anything like it wasn't there) than gamma.

Re:Wrong. (1)

k98sven (324383) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828391)

Ah, you're right. But my point is still valid,
since the chemical effects are actually even worse for electron beams. The charge on the electron make them much more reactive.
(That's why they don't penetrate, and in this sense alpha and beta radiation is worse than gamma)

Re:Wrong. (1)

mazachan (126721) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828363)

Isn't this akin to saying that if I microwave food, then the food will become radiated?

What scares me most... (5, Insightful)

Wakko Warner (324) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828255)

...is what is going to happen when someone smuggles C4 onto a plane in his ass, and gets caught. Full-body-cavity searches for all passengers!

This is rapidly getting ridiculous. And I feel no safer.

- A.P.

That's what iMac's are for! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828300)

Easy: use an iMac [images.org.lu] . And tough luch if your rectum isn't wide enough to hold the screen...

Re:What scares me most... (1)

Grimmtooth (187628) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828326)

Some people view full body cavity searches as an opportunity, not a burden.

At any rate, your feeling of safety is irrlevant, what is important is results. And if it saved even one life, including the moron that submitted this whine disquised as a story, It would be worth it.

Re:What scares me most... (1)

joib (70841) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828369)

Actually, your feeling of safety is damn important, in many cases more important than the actual level of security. For a (long) explanation, see for example Bruce Schneier's Crypto-Gram Newsletter September 30, 2001 [counterpane.com] , and the links therein, especially the ones about airline security.

The Sledgehammer and the finishing nail (2)

AgTiger (458268) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828261)

I think what we're seeing is the first of many "oopses" that show that strong irradiation of mail may be approaching this problem in the wrong fashion. As I implied in the subject line, they're driving a finishing nail with a sledge hammer.

Rather than focus on irradication of what most probably is not there (anthrax), we'd do well to focus on methods that allow us to detect its presence in a non-destructive and non-damaging fashion to the contents of the mail. Once detected, we can use the irradication method, or perhaps we'd choose isolation and chemical testing in order to find the source of the moron that was putting anthrax in the mail.

For instance, we've come a long way in x-raying luggage, adding expert systems that attempt to assist the operator in identifying potentially hazardous items. Something similar is needed that can identify chemical compounds behind barriers such as paper, plastic, and perhaps even metal.

If I'm correct, what this method would need to look for (where anthrax is concerned) is a chemical residue or trace, in powder form. I like the idea of using a beam of radiation, since it can pass through a sealed package and its contents without causing us to become a society that searches people's mail by hand.

What I think would be optimum is a very low intensity radiation at just the right frequency to excite the structure of the Anthrax such that it immediately shows up as a "hot spot" on the detector circuitry, yet with the beam kept at a low enough power that flash memory cards don't get erased or damaged, film doesn't get fogged, paper doesn't release noxious fumes, etc...

Do I know how to accomplish this? Sorry, not my field... But I'm hoping someone whose field this is sees my comments. Perhaps it'll trigger an idea in the right direction.

Back in crap(flood) (-1)

Klerck (213193) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828277)

I'm back to lengthening your pages once again, michael lovers! PS, michael is a raging homo!

Don't forget to add me [slashdot.org] to your foes list! Fags!

Back by unpopular demand, more random number crapflooding!

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"Beam Weapons"? Come on.... (2)

Bowie J. Poag (16898) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828281)



Oh dear..

I'm afraid your thinking is just a touch flawed. Yeah, Americans had their head in the anthrax bucket for a month straight, and it only killed a handful of people. By your logic, we should just dismiss what happened on 9/11 because only 3000 people died, and only a handful of buildings collapsed. We should go after Boeing because after all, they manufacture FLYING DEATH WEAPONS that PERMANENTLY DAMAGE stuff.

Don't be so dramatic. The same technology used to irradiate your Compact Flash at the post office is the same technology used to heat your damn burrito at CIrcle K. Take your tinfoil hat off and relax.

Cheers,

Permits for radiation (2, Interesting)

Raul654 (453029) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828294)

I thought you needed a ton of permits to work with ionizing radiation, and it would stand to reason that to get them you would have to prove what you are doing is safe. How did they manage to get the permits and get this started so suddenly?

It's a conspiracy, man! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828298)

They must have been doing it all the time, but they've now only gone public!

What else is our government doing to risk our health! First fluorine in our drinking water, hormones in beef and now our daily dose of either radiation or anthrax -- kindly delivered by the workers of the postal office.

Simple solution (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828301)

I think it's time to abolish the US Postal Service. It's a waste of money when there other companies out there that can do it more efficiently and cheaper.

Did you know that the USPS has no legal obligation to deliver your mail, and that if they decide to no longer deliver to you, you have no legal recourse?

This wouldn't happen if mail service were run strictly be private corporations. If they decided not to deliver your mail, you could sue them. Can't do that with the USPS!

Now we've got the USPS destroying our mail and making even more people sick. That's unacceptable and obviously would never happen with a company that has to be legally responsible for your mail.

I think it's time that we as Americans break free from the chains of the US Postal Service. Federal mail delivery is a useless and outdated idea. Besides, do you really trust the same government that passed the DMCA and other such laws to not read your mail when it's being held for "irradiation?"

Give me a break, Uncle Sam, you get your paws whereever you get the chance.

Besides, don't you think you'd much happier spending the extra money that won't go to taxes to support the USPS every year on your family? I know I would, and I'm sure we all can agree on that.

Abolish the USPS today.

Re:Simple solution (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828308)

there other companies out there that can do it more efficiently and cheaper.

Yeah! Privatisation! Just look how well it worked for the British railways: a total and complete timetable chaos and increased costs.

That would happen here as well if the job of delivering post was given to let's say three lowest bidders. But I guess you wouldn't mind it as long as it is cheap. I bet you buy those smokin' AMD processors, too.

So what happens when... (5, Interesting)

b1t r0t (216468) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828304)

So what happens when someone puts some kind of explosive into a package that detonates when hit by an electron beam?

It's the old "import an animal to destroy a local pest" problem all over again.

Five people almost became 200,000+ (2)

LinuxHam (52232) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828312)

All this disruption for a campaign that killed five people?

I was glad to see so many more people completely pissed off at that comment. The poster must not have heard that the last anthrax sent to DC was potent enough to kill "hundreds of thousands of people". When the government was too scared to open it thinking they couldn't contain it, I took notice.

It doesn't help much that I live about 15 minutes from West Trenton, NJ -- the source of all that Anthrax going to NYC and Washington.

Re:Five people almost became 200,000+ (5, Insightful)

graxrmelg (71438) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828426)

The poster must not have heard that the last anthrax sent to DC was potent enough to kill "hundreds of thousands of people".

I hate it when I see statistics like that in the media. Sure, it was enough to kill hundreds of thousands if you lined them up and administered a minuscule bit to each, but it's not likely that that would happen. You might as well say that a terrorist had enough knives (one) to kill hundreds of thousands of people.

Info: how strong is the electron beam (1)

AtomicBomb (173897) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828314)

The compactFlash article suggested that the electron beam supplies 55kGy... (ie 55kJ per kg of material) In order to quantify how strong is the radiation, I run a quick search:

According to FAS [fas.org] , it is massive. LD50 (ie 50% killing rate) for 55kGy is [fas.org]
about 80%. The big ass electron gun is really equipped for the atomic age. Maybe, eBay and Amazon will office us a choice of "radiation hardening" as gift wrap for our electronic gadget.

PS: I know how will be the survivers of WWIII. The postal worker who hides within the within that mail disinfecting machine. :-)

All this disruption? (1)

zachusaf (540628) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828319)

All this disruption for a campaign that killed five people? RTFM.

Re:All this disruption? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828383)

All this disruption for a campaign that killed five people? RTFM.

Which manual? The one that came out of the womb with me?

I wonder if.... (3, Funny)

zerocool^ (112121) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828330)


I wonder if the irradiation process degrades latex?
We could be blameing the government for a rash of unwitting pregnancies.

Course, it won't affect the slashdot crowd. Slashdotters don't have sex, they fsck.

~z

Re:I wonder if.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828416)

Scully: come over here, look at this, it broke!

Mulder: it was from the irradiation at the Post Office.

Scully: I just hope that everything is ok.

Mulder: ugggh, yeah, everything is fine.

A problem with fumes (2)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828334)

A package irradiated as part of the government's anti-anthrax screening gave off a noxious gas Thursday when it was opened at the Commerce Department, sickening at least 11 workers, a fire official said [...] a package of copy paper tightly wrapped in plastic gave off a noxious gas when it was opened. He said health officials believe the irradiation process can cause paper to give off hydrocarbons that are harmful when concentrated.

In this cases it was not the workers that were irradiated. It was just the package. But I guess it cooked something, accounting for the fumes.

Unbelievable (1)

Grimmtooth (187628) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828337)

Only five people?

HOW MANY before it's worth the meaningless contents of your compact flash cards?

Even YOUR life is worth the contents of that flash card.

Not many people have 'make a fool out of myself before thousands of people and drag a few other people down with me' on thier to-do list, but by golly you managed!

-10 out of 10 for style to you,
-100 out of 10 to the /. staff for even posting the article. C'mon, guys, READ the damn thing first.

Unintended Consequences (2)

Detritus (11846) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828342)

Even if you think some unknown number of destroyed compact flash cards is an acceptable price for killing bacterial spores, that will rarely be present, what about other things that can be damaged or destroyed? What about blood, stool and tissue samples that are mailed to medical labs for testing? How many people will die because the sample was degraded or destroyed, and the test result was incorrect? What about prescription medicines that are damaged by the radiation? Sure, the packages can be labelled. We all know how delivery services take careful note of labels on packages.

Thats cold (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828355)

Think of like the first in a series of M$ virus. More is on the way.

Re: Only 5 people argument (1)

t_allardyce (48447) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828371)

People who were arguing the value of human life vs. data in the posts below, calm down. Remember you live in America, land of the great. Every day your country proves that human life is worth far less than other things, such as.. money, and... er.. money. Why build tall, even when it endangers lives? because it saves money. Why put 100's of people into one big plane?.. money. Why were sufficent measures not put in place to [try and] stop hi-jackings and suicide attacks _before_ they happened? yes, because its was a waste of money. Im not even going to talk about how violating your sacred first amendment for the dmca is because of money, that would be offtopic :)

how is this news now?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828373)

this was reported by almost every major news agency pre-xmas. nice that the "stuff that matters" finally got around to mattering.

jebus - slow news day michael or just too much absinthe last night?

Thankfully, I'm not an american. (0, Flamebait)

RapaNui (242132) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828411)

Karma be damned.

Listening to these fucking insane rants posted here, I'm just thankful I'm not american.

Fucking arrogant Yanks.

Welcome to the _real_ world.

Did you actually say this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2828419)

All this disruption for a campaign that killed five people?

Are you out of your mind? Do you mean to say your film and flash cards are more important than those peoples lives? I really hope you didn't mean it that way, you insensitive fuck.

AOL CDs (3, Funny)

paulywog (114255) | more than 12 years ago | (#2828435)

Maybe that's what happened to my latest free "NEW AOL 7.0" CD [apo49.org] ?

There's good and bad in everything, I guess.

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