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I Want My MTV... PC?

michael posted more than 12 years ago | from the look-for-them-in-real-world dept.

Hardware 261

Tsar writes: "MTV Networks is putting their imprimatur on a line of entertainment-oriented PC's to be available early this year. Targeting the college-age crowd, they'll have TV &amp radio tuners, DVD players, remote controls, and 'MTV-specific content.' CNN has this article on CNN's SCI-TECH page, but the original story was posted last Thursday on IDG.net. There's also news of MTV's impending digital music player, which uses DataPlay's 500MB matchbook-sized discs with built-in digital rights denial^H^H^H^H^H^Hmanagement."

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That's Funny (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2834013)

I really only want my calculus. I love integration.

Re:That's Funny (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2834092)

HAHA

Maple V is your BITCH,
Or are you its BITCH?

Love that pascal-like language!

This HAS to be said (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2834160)

MTV sucks.

It's caters to the lowest common denominator of society and is only .000000001 steps above morning radio - a medium that relies on fart jokes and prank calls.

Re:This HAS to be said (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2834221)

hear hear [npr.org]

How will they use it? (2, Informative)

spongebob (227503) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834022)

Everyone knows the MTV generation has a 15 second attention span and I haven't heard of an OS that can do much of anything usefull in 15 seconds. Certainly Windows can't. ;)

AS THE DADDY OF LINUX, I AGREE!!!! (-1)

L.Torvalds (548450) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834149)

Linux DO IT BETTER!!!

Re:How will they use it? (0, Troll)

S-prime (550519) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834172)

Sure it can:

0:00 Please activate this copy of Windows

0:10 *user enters information*

0:15 *MS recieves user's name, address, birthdate, SSN, credit card info...etc*

Re:How will they use it? (3, Troll)

garcia (6573) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834175)

Warning: I was not a STAT major, but it my my belief that:

if they include specific pictures of nude music superstars (*cough* Spears *cough* Twain *cough* Hill *cough*) as wallpaper then I think that the 15s attention span might actually go up to 17 - 20s instead.

Some people might take longer b/c pictures would obviously have to be downloaded from www.thehun.com and sometimes depending on traffic that could take sometime, especially over traditional connections. That could bring the attention span all the way up to a *mind*-blowing 30s.

Re:How will they use it? (1)

myster0n (216276) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834227)

Everyone knows the MTV generation has a 15 second attention span and I haven't heard of an OS that can do much of anything usefull in 15 seconds. Certainly Windows can't. ;)

Windows can crash in 15 seconds. That's the most useful thing I can think of right now. ;)

Anyone remember? (3, Insightful)

Beltec (548130) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834024)

Anyone remember the other theme based PC's and what happend to them? Barbie ring a bell? Ok, so this may have more of a chance, but really, MTV doing a computer?? Besides, I'd rather build my own anyhow, so I guess it really dosn't matter to me :)

Re:Anyone remember? (5, Funny)

jarodss (243400) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834034)

Yep, I build my own too but I've never been able to get flames on the side like the hotwheels computer, except for the time some guy named Tom took the heat sink off my Athlon.

Re:Anyone remember? (2, Funny)

mother_superius (227373) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834042)

...But I love my Hot Wheels PC!
Having flames on the side makes the software faster; haven't you heard of aerodynamics?

Re:Anyone remember? (2)

Lars T. (470328) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834111)

Guess so. [appleskinz.com]

Re:Anyone remember? (4, Funny)

aka-ed (459608) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834067)


Hah! you haven't seen How Cool It Looks! [singingstore.com]

You know you want it.

Re:Anyone remember? (1)

Beltec (548130) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834083)

I'd like to take back my first comment! Wow, is that a piece of the beutiful 80's or what! YAY!!

Re:Anyone remember? (1)

Weezul (52464) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834192)

Can I get one with a Devo hat built in?

Digital Rights Denial? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2834030)

If this thing has digital rights denial built in, that must mean it's made to allow pirating of any copyrighted material whatsoever, thus denying the Constitutionally given rights of content creators and copyright holders, no? That sort of thing ought to be illegal.

Re:Digital Rights Denial? (1)

Rayonic (462789) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834152)

"Constitutionally given rights"? Which country's constitution would that be in?

Re:Digital Rights Denial? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2834181)

Well, Slashdot being a site located in the United States, and myself being located in the United States, and MTV being an export of the United States, it's possible I was talking about the United States Constitution. For what it's worth, however, if you were suggesting that the rights of content publishers somehow take a backseat to pirates in other countries, I would remind you that just about every nation in the civilized world is a signatory to the Berne Convention. Their signature to this treaty requires these member countries to adopt a number of measures protecting the rights of copyright holders, including legislation to make circumvention of Digital Rights Management illegal.

Re:Digital Rights Denial? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2834230)

Oh please, everyone knows, whether even US people like it or not, that might makes right. I bet some other countries never heard of a human rights violation (china), monogamy (africa), or civil rights (afghanistan) until the US came along. The laws in the US affect the people of the world.

Re:Digital Rights Denial? (3, Informative)

ryants (310088) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834241)

thus denying the Constitutionally given rights of content creators and copyright holders, no?
The US Constituon does not give rights to content creators and copyright holders at all. All it does is permit Congress to enact copyright legislation:
Section 8. The Congress shall have power ... To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;
Nothing is guaranteed in that statement.

Re:Digital Rights Denial? (2, Informative)

aka-ed (459608) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834242)


Obviously, the poster's use of the phrase was meant to refer to the denial of the user's rights, not the copyright holder's.

You, AC sir, seem convinced that citizens do not have any rights in this matter, and all rights accrue to the holder of copyright. In this you are opposed to established case law, as well as to the intentions of the framers of the Constitution. ("To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries...")

Here. [stanford.edu] Go read up. Please don't post on copyright matters until you do.

Whats wrong with you shitheads?! (-1)

DivineOb (256115) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834031)

Fucking troll or something... don't post on shit posts... geez... I look away for a sec and all *order* loose out...

Re:Whats wrong with you shitheads?! (-1)

DivineOb (256115) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834056)

err... that is, all order breaks loose...

Apple (2, Insightful)

brodiedreamyou.ca (542180) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834038)

Sounds very similar to the digital hub that apple keeps talking about, i think i'd personaly take the apple, but it is interesting that they have tv and radio tuners, kinda like the sony vios... hmm sounds like alot of this stuff has been done before:)

Funny (2, Funny)

DJ rCn (546098) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834041)

I hope this is a hoax but if not oh well. I think this is going to be a failed marketing attempt for MTV. Even if you are a college student, would you want your computer to come from a channel that headlines a show where people pierce their asses? Not me, I just don't see this idea being sucessful.

Re:Funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2834229)

Can there be one post this week that people don't cry hoax over? Well it is sunday so I guess next week will be better. Of course this is about the first post that's not really a hoax in the first place.

Ugh, MTV... (1)

vmalloc_ (516438) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834043)

This is just another pathetic attempt for MTV to control everything that people see and hear, so they can jump their advertising sales.

Not to mention MTV is mind rotting dumb, and mainly consists of them interviewing N'Sync all day.

I know a lot of people that just sit around watching crap like that, and it makes me really sad, I can't watch stuff like that for more than 5 minutes without feeling my brain cells explode. I'm serious, it's just painful.

exploding brain cells (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2834059)

exactly what does that feel like?

Re:Ugh, MTV... (1)

b0r0din (304712) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834174)

This is just another pathetic attempt for MTV to control everything that people see and hear, so they can jump their advertising sales.

Yes and let's not forget that MTV is owned by that big corporation Viacom, a major content provider.

To me, this whole thing reeks of trying to ween people off onto some digital disc (with moving parts, I might add) so they can continue to control content through some sort of copy protection scheme. It sort of surprises me, though, that this dataplay device plays mp3s; then again, Viacom doesn't yet own any major record labels I know of at this time (although they certainly do business with those companies). Of course it also plays QDX, so maybe this is a way for them to inch a new format onto the market and eventually control obsolesence hat way. Or maybe I'm paranoid ;)

The Digital Music player has a chance.. (1)

FreeBSDian (550501) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834044)

They should probably really just focus on the digital music player and eliminate this insane PC idea immediately. I mean to enter an already saturated market like that is dumb (but then again these are the people who brought us "The Real World").

They might have a chance to crack the whole digital music for pay thing though if the player's worth while. Those disks I imagine, would be difficult to play and pirate on anything but that device.

Re:The Digital Music player has a chance.. (1)

zlowry (445521) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834115)

Umm... Not that I really watch Reality TV, but I do have to point out that "The Real World" came out years before any of the other shows. In fact, MTV pioneered the entire idea.

Re:The Digital Music player has a chance.. (-1)

core10k (196263) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834129)

Hah!

Morons! You're all morons!
Slashdot is filled with know it alls that know nothing, just like you, zlowry!

First of all, 7-Up is an obvious choice for preceeding The Real World. That came out, what, 40 years ago?

Second of all,

Re:The Digital Music player has a chance..[part 2] (-1)

core10k (196263) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834143)

Second of all, if you want exact predecessors to reality TV, you want to be looking at 'An American Family,' which came out in the 70s. Beats "The Real World" by just a tad, doesn't it?

And no doubt I've forgotton some! Should I go do some of the research that you're clearly incapable of doing, or are you ready to admit that you're just talking out your ass, just like all the other freaks who post here to look knowledgable to all the other freaks.

BTW don't you DARE respond saying "But you're doing the same thing!" You see, I never claimed I was right, based on some vaguely-remembered factoids.

YOU DID!

Fucker.

Re:The Digital Music player has a chance..[part 2] (1)

zlowry (445521) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834251)

Wow!

It's truly amazing the amount of time that people on here have on their hands. Of course, noone will really ever read all of that, since it's modded down to -1, but still, you put the effort into it, and that sure says something. Wow.

And yes, I am familiar with the American Family, but my goal was not to write an essay. Apparently you did, you submitted the first draft, then went and did some more research, and turned in a second draft. I'm so very proud. Maybe Santa Claus will bring you a new bicycle when you turn 13 this year.

BTW don't you DARE think that you will recieve another response. Like I said, I have a life, I don't read stuff that's modded down to 1, like you did with my stupid comment. Boy, did you ever show me! Wow!

Re:The Digital Music player has a chance..[part 2] (-1)

core10k (196263) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834263)

Blah blah blah

You know, that's just what I was going for, right?

^.^

I could see this... (3, Insightful)

PeeOnYou2 (539746) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834045)

You have to realize how hardcore a lot of teens are about MTV. Yes, the rest of us can see how lame it really is... but those who are sucked into it eat, sleep, and breathe it. If MTV says something is, IT IS dammit!

I should know.. my little sister would die without it. I think she even has withdrawals sometimes.

I can't wait to see if she wants one of these once they start advertising them all the time.

Sounds familiar (2, Funny)

NetJunkie (56134) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834094)

That sounds like the geeks on here and Slashdot....

Re:I could see this... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2834155)

You should have your little sister's fallopian tubes tied so she cannot breed and pass on her profound stupidity.

mtvml (2, Funny)

moosesocks (264553) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834046)

the new mtvML markup language. Written specificly for the new line of pcs.

Yo, buy this PC!
You will be hip
It is da bomb!

MTV Specific content... yes! (4, Funny)

Foxman98 (37487) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834047)

4 Words...

Jenny.
McCarthy.
Nude.
Screensaver.

Re:MTV Specific content... yes! (1)

Whizziwig (23055) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834081)

1 word:

playboy

--dave

Re:MTV Specific content... yes! (-1)

Klerck (213193) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834093)

5 words...

You are a idiot.

interesting? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2834108)

moderators on crack again, right?

Re:MTV Specific content... yes! (2, Funny)

psavo (162634) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834118)

My 4 words:

Shiny
Things
Network.


Oh, you want FOUR words. Well this generation can't count that high.

College age crowd? (3, Insightful)

CajunArson (465943) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834049)

The last time I saw MTV (and its been a while) it was more geared
towards teenie boppers than college students

Maybe they are hoping a whole bunch of stupid freshman with
rich parents will buy? Or is this more for the N'sync/Brittney Spheres crowd?

Re:College age crowd? (4, Insightful)

nomadic (141991) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834110)

College students these days ARE teeny boppers. I swear, most of them seem to see college as just an extension of high school...

Re:College age crowd? (0)

NDPTAL85 (260093) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834197)

What are they supposed to see it as? An Institute of Higher learning perhaps? Hah!

Re:College age crowd? (2)

dimator (71399) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834203)

Brittney Spheres

Nice Freudian slip. (Or maybe it was on purpose?)

;)

Re:College age crowd? (0, Flamebait)

Breakfast Pants (323698) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834228)

it was obviously on purpose you dumb freudian fuck.

Re:College age crowd? (1)

Jennifer Ever (523473) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834218)

With a Rush song in your sig, I'll bet it's been a while.

Say it ain't so? (5, Interesting)

Brontosaurus Jim (528803) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834053)

Damn, doesn't MTV remember the past? They've tried this sort of thing before, and where did it get them. I think it was in 95 or 96, they considered releasing a similarly themed "Media Box" that was part laser disc, part cd player, part tape deck, part vcr, etc, etc

Needless to say it failed (You don't see any around anymore, do you?). During it's short lifespan (Remember those annoying commercials with the flashing colors and slow, loud beat?), a friend of mine picked one up.

I've never seen a worse piece of consumer grade electronics in my life. The laser for the cd must have been loose or something, because it would skip on just about every damn cd. And the tech support? It was a nightmare.

Basically my friend was told to bugger off because they had stopped production. In the warrenty it covered against this, so he was SOL.

And now they want to try this sort of thing again? God I hope they do a better job.

Re:Say it ain't so? (0)

Joe the Lesser (533425) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834085)

Dude, I have one of those in my basement. It wigged out after a few weeks and I paid $1300 dollars for it. I should have paid extra for the warranty clause, but it looked so cool. It was fun while it lasted, but MTV should just stick to the shameless promotion of horrible music because they're not cut out for the business of technology.

Re:Say it ain't so? (1)

TheCrazyBassist (313117) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834120)

WOW!! I thought I was the only one to remeber these! I usually dont post on this site (as per lack of anything interesting to say) but I HAD to reply to this! A friends uncle had one and I always heard good about it, I picked one up at a flea market a few years back, unfortunately it hasnt gotten much use. I dont own any laser dics or VHS tapes really except for some old Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoons I taped when I was younger. It isnt too bad, has a tendency to jam up often though. The cd player skips way too much so I use my computer for that. Over all Id say it was a good idea gone bad, glad to see theyre rethinking a classic.

It could work (and porcine lifeforms may aviate) (2)

xixax (44677) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834158)

Though I much doubt it. You could expect reasonable demand for something that would let you grab music from MTV's catalogue or build personalised play-lists which could then be dumped onto a digital walkman or your car. If it's an end-to-end proprietary solution similar to the revocable certificates .NET is talking about, they can placate the music publishers and even get them an income stream. Even I would consider paying for a personalised MTV.

Why it won't work: Rather than an appliance (ala TiVo or an XBox), they are putting in a PC which will be much more expensive to buy and altogether a greater PITA to support. Even for audio only, I'd hate to have this thing hooked up to anything other than a broadband connection; people don't expect to wait 30 minutes for a song to download when they start their radio, and they sure don't want video clips that stop and start. They'll also have to rely on a lot of technology (content control for a start) that is scarcely beyond vapourware.

If it was a hardware manufacturer with a rcord for delivering consumer PCs maybe, but MTV???

Xix.

Re:Say it ain't so? (4, Insightful)

demaria (122790) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834215)

"Remember those annoying commercials with the flashing colors and slow, loud beat?"

You've just described....every MTV commercial, ever. :)

Although failure the first time around doesn't necessarily mean you shouldn't try again, after learning which mistakes you made in the past.

a failure? dont count on it (0)

Terry Dignon (548614) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834055)

mtv speciliazing in making music/entertainment oriented pc's is not bound for failure. look at falcon and alienware..both of them base 90% of their sales on hardcore gaming machines. oh and pardon the typos ;-)

Wrong Audience (3, Interesting)

fleabag (445654) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834060)

People at college...

- Have lots of spare time
- Don't have much money
- Are subject to a LOT of peer pressure in respect of the technology/clothes/whatever they own.

MTV aim to satisfy them by:

- Stopping them from ripping their friends CDs
- Appealing to "convenience" (look, you don't have to waste time with normal PCs and that Linux stuff...)
- Guaranteeing that they will have the credibility in class of an AOLer

Am I the only person who sees something strange in this...or do you need a qualification in marketing to see how this works?

Re:Wrong Audience (5, Funny)

HoaryCripple (187169) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834114)

So true. I would not be caught dead with one of these bimbo boxes. But you know what, many college students have no freaking clue about computer hardware. Hard to believe in this day and age huh? So these people are the ones targeted. They will buy the stupid mtv computer, and marginalize the the crowd that knows hardware (not that this isn't already the case) as a bunch of quacks/dorks.

When you say that college students are subject to peer pressure -- I don't think that the hardware saavy (sp?) individuals are exerting peer pressure on anyone other than their hardware saavy friends.

Speaking of peer pressure, I am reminded of the time three other friends and I were in a bar. My one friend was kicking it to some woman, and my other two friends and I were talking to her somewhat cute friend (another female). Well, I was inebriated, and so naturally the topic changed to operating systems. In an uncanny moment of smoothness, I asked her if she used Windows. You can guess that she said "yes." I immediately replied that people who use Windows are idiots. Well, that pissed her off, but the amazing thing was that my other two friends joined in ripping on her because of her choice in operating system. What a fiasco that turned out to be for my (normal) friend who was hitting on the other woman. Needless to say both women left.

And if you're wondering, It's GNU/Linux all the way baby.

Re:Wrong Audience (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2834186)

Well, I was inebriated, and so naturally the topic changed to operating systems. In an uncanny moment of smoothness, I asked her if she used Windows. You can guess that she said "yes." I immediately replied that people who use Windows are idiots. Well, that pissed her off, but the amazing thing was that my other two friends joined in ripping on her because of her choice in operating system.

This is perhaps the most pathetic thing I've ever read on Slashdot. I'm not sure which is worse, though -- that you ripped on her choice of operating systems, or that you even brought the topic of OSs up in the first place.

Re:Wrong Audience (1)

HoaryCripple (187169) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834198)

Relax, man. Not everyone is in it to pick up chicks all the time. If the woman was saying anything marginally interesting, maybe I would not have brought up the topic of operating systems. As it stands, that was one of my favorite experiences at a bar. And you know what, I would do it again in a heartbeat if the opportunity presented itself again. Just to see the utter disbelief in the persons face is well worth it.

Re:Wrong Audience (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2834200)

Ahh.. Another Slashbot prevented from breading. It's a beautiful site.

Re:Wrong Audience (1)

HoaryCripple (187169) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834210)

Ahh.. Another Slashbot prevented from breading. It's a beautiful site.

Man, that's funny.

Re:Wrong Audience (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2834206)

I immediately replied that people who use Windows are idiots.

Wow. I'll bet you get laid ALL THE TIME.

Re:Wrong Audience (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2834225)

That is absolutly hilarious! I gota post a link to your post on troll talk.

Re:Wrong Audience (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834121)


- Are subject to a LOT of peer pressure in respect of the technology/clothes/whatever they own.

Whoa, you lost me. That was the thing I loved about college, the whole silly peer pressure thing mostly disappeared. I went to a couple different schools (had a tendency to transfer), and it was the same for all of them.

MTV :: The name, not the product. (2, Insightful)

2nesser (538763) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834068)

Anyone dumb enough to buy this system (there are many out there that we all know) is going to be an impulse buyer. They won't do any homework on what system to get nor will they care.

I like music, and I like the idea's of having a radio and tv tuner in my box. But I won't pay the cash that MTV (or whoever building these systems) is bound to charge when I can put them in myself for a lot less.

For those out there who know nothing of computers, they will happily follow each other over the cliff like mindless zombies, just as they do today with Micro$ofts products. It's all about marketing and creating a WANT when people don't NEED it. Maybe that crazy movie Fight Club was right?

I've always wanted one of those hotwheel computers! =)

Paying for the logo... (2, Insightful)

outlier (64928) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834073)

I can see someone buying one brand of endorsed sneaker because they are different from other sneakers. Sure, [famous player] endorses them, but they have unique properties that aren't available in other shoes (e.g., the cool patterns and pumps and stuff).

But, with a PC with publicized (and easily duplicated) specs, where's the benefit. If they add anything to the price for the "MTV" logo without adding some extra software or cool design features, there's nothing to stop Dell and every other computer manufacturer from creating their own "Compare to" models with equally cool colors, etc...

Where's the benefit?

GPL - Intellectual Theft? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2834082)

Hello,

Consulting for several large companies, I'd always done my work on Windows. Recently however, a top online investment firm asked us to do some work using Linux. The concept of having access to source code was very appealing to us, as we'd be able to modify the kernel to meet our exacting standards which we're unable to do with Microsoft's products.

Although we met several technical challenges along the way (specifically, Linux's lack of Token Ring support and the fact that we were unable to defrag its ext2 file system), all in all the process went smoothly. Everyone was very pleased with Linux, and we were considering using it for a great deal of future internal projects.

So you can imagine our suprise when we were informed by a lawyer that we would be required to publish our source code for others to use. It was brought to our attention that Linux is copyrighted under something called the GPL, or the Gnu Protective License. Part of this license states that any changes to the kernel are to be made freely available. Unfortunately for us, this meant that the great deal of time and money we spent "touching up" Linux to work for this investment firm would now be available at no cost to our competitors.

Furthermore, after reviewing this GPL our lawyers advised us that any products compiled with GPL'ed tools - such as gcc - would also have to its source code released. This was simply unacceptable.

Although we had planned for no one outside of this company to ever use, let alone see the source code, we were now put in a difficult position. We could either give away our hard work, or come up with another solution. Although it was tought to do, there really was no option: We had to rewrite the code, from scratch, for Windows 2000.

I think the biggest thing keeping Linux from being truly competitive with Microsoft is this GPL. Its draconian requirements virtually guarentee that no business will ever be able to use it. After my experience with Linux, I won't be recommending it to any of my associates. I may reconsider if Linux switches its license to something a little more fair, such as Microsoft's "Shared Source". Until then its attempts to socialize the software market will insure it remains only a bit player.

Thank you for your time.

::yawns:: (1)

Com2Kid (142006) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834086)

I'm sorry, did somebody say something? I was just freely and legaly downloading some GOOD music from www.mp3.com (hint: Its all under the classical section).

The only good thing that MTV has is Celebrity Deathmatch.

Hmm

::begins to imagine the PPG in CDM::

KICK ASS!

Why is this on slashdot ? (1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2834088)

1. it has been posted everywhere else for two days
2. do nerds watch MTV ?
3. is it stuff that matters ?

Re:Why is this on slashdot ? (1)

TheKey (465831) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834154)

My GOD! Just shut up! If you don't like a story, why the fuck did you clicking on 'Read more..' and posting a reply? I'm so tired of all the bitchers (and trolls, all those other people too) on slashdot. GAH!

Do you think that made you look COOL or something? Are you trying to be a troll? If so.. how fucking unoriginal! The word lame comes to mind.

.. glad I got that off my chest.

Re:Why is this on slashdot ? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2834207)

My GOD! Just shut up! If you did not like his posting, why fuck did you reply and bitcher him out when you does not know THE ENGLISH! GAH!

Do you think that make you looking of COOL or something? If so... how is fucking original! The word illiterate comes to mind.

Re:Why is this on slashdot ? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2834245)

My GOD! Just shut up! If you did not like his posting, why fuck did you reply and bitcher him out when you does not know THE ENGLISH! GAH!

Do you think that make you looking of COOL or something? If so... how is fucking original! The word illiterate comes to mind.

At $1800 these are gonna DIE! (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2834091)


Gee, I don't see ANYTHING compelling
about a $1800 MTV entertainment box!

Maybe at $299... or $399... perhaps
even at $499 ...

BUT NO WAY for $1800! What a RIP.

Re:At $1800 these are gonna DIE! (1)

Jennifer Ever (523473) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834226)

Perhaps 2 years from now for $10 at Goodwill, eh?

Tsar = moron^H^H^H^H^Hcool person (1, Offtopic)

billybob (18401) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834095)

Wow, thanks for all the links. If you hadn't linked to cnn's front page twice, I wouldn't have known how to get there. WHo wouldve thought cnn.com would be the address for cnn?

Also youre joke concerning the ^H's was extremely not^H^H^H funny. You should not^H^H^H give up your day job to become a comedian.

Re:Tsar = moron^H^H^H^H^Hcool person (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2834257)

For those who are CLI challenged:

Also youre [sic you are; or you're] joke concerning the's was extremely funny. You should give up your day job to become a comedian.

Ok. Now that we have the clear.

Stands A Chance, Given Correct Marketing.. (2, Insightful)

Splat (9175) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834099)

I think it's most important we look past our obvious hatred of MTV (I concur with all previous posts) and look at the technology behind this idea.

I for one would love an all-in-one box with a custom designed UI that did DVD/TV/Radio/Music with a remote that I wouldn't have to build.

Sure you can buy yourself an ATI All-In-One Card, use some software (or for your geeks, string together some perl scripts), purchase a serial port remote control doohickey and spend forever configuring it - but you won't get the same desired result.

This is similar to TiVo. Sure, I can use my ATI Card to record TV show, but my PC is not optimized for TV watching. A dedicated appliance that can provide all this stuff for the non-PC literate is a very marketable idea.

A previous most mentioned the college audience is the wrong target - and I think you're correct. The market they should really be aiming for is the teen crowd. I'm not, and never was part of the MTV demographic but the appeal of a cool little machine that can play my new Britney Spears DVD and record TRL (Carson is so hot! WH000000!) is probably something that appeals to a lot of teenyboppers.

Time will tell if those goes the way of the Barbie PC. I hope for the success of neat all-in-one integrated devices for the average consumer, but I have the gut-feeling of impending doom for such a venture.

But hey, maybe all those castoff MTV Boxes will make neat hacking toys in a a year or so.

DRM (2)

cdgod (132891) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834102)

After researching DRM last semester, I have come to the conclusion that it is not all that bad...

Only when it is implemented by adding value to the USER not the record label. The following criteria must exists for DRM to become marketable:

- cheaper/faster content access
- Access to new content along with vast library of everything that has ever been created. All available instantly.
- higher quality content than currently available in consumer market
- user choice in usage of content (rights specification)
- highly secure to user privacy - total commitment required by company
- easy to use (invisible to user)
- transparancy in rules/policies
- high quality products with vast 3rd party developer support
- market company's trust and dedication to user's needs - NOT company's needs

These are only some... but as you can see, there is failure from the beginning in DRM. In its current state DRM is a tool for corporations, not customers. That is why it WILL fail. (Divx anyone).

Frank

Dire Straits (2)

conner_bw (120497) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834107)

Paying for a pile of crap to get pornography in your college dormatory...

A whole new meaning to

"Money for nothin' and your chicks for free"

Too many choices. (1)

cooperj72 (83796) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834113)

Now I'll have to choose between the new overpriced iMac and the MTV PC.
Gosh this is gonna be a tough decision.

Oh wait a minute I just realized that if I am looking at either of these solutions I have way too much money anyway!
Excellent!

-J

Going to be a flop ... (2, Interesting)

TheViffer (128272) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834119)

The PCs should ship in the first half of the year and are likely to be priced starting at about $1800

Targeting 18-to-24-year-olds,

Hummm .. last time I check the majority of college students can not drop $1800 for a "products centered around video-game play" (direct quote). During that time for me .. things like food and a roof over my head were considered luxuries.

I am curious, is MTV going to have a show dedicated to explaining to these mindless fools on how to beg and whine to have your parents buy one for you? Get student loans to pay for it .. or lists of credit card companies to apply to get those nice plastic cards to buy it.

This shall die a long and painful death as MTV executives try to figure out why there marketing is not getting these to sell. Guess that means the 1 total hour of music videos a day they show will need to get cut back to 30 minutes to allow space for more advertising.

How Does MTV Survive? (2)

istartedi (132515) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834122)

Seriously? They were cool during the 80s, then it seemed like there was a transition where they stopped playing videos and started doing sucky shows.

Is this channel a bore now because I'm approaching middle age, or is there something else going on? Can anybody who watches MTV explain the appeal? MTV was something special in its day because they played stuff the radio didn't. The internet had (perhaps still has) the potential to shake up music in a positive way, but hasn't yet. Hint: It won't happen by weazeling around copyright.

I was thinking that what we need is something like a Slashdot for music, where artists could stream selected songs at no charge to promote their album in exchange for giving the website exclusive rights to the CD sales, with a percentage to the artist and a percentage to the site. It would have a user/feedback moderation like Slashdot. You would also have to have a mechanism for category creation in the event that a truly novel form of music came along. I'm not sure what you would do about radio. Maybe the site would just charge radio stations a flat fee or make that a giveaway too. Hasn't anybody tried that, and if so, why did it fail?

Re:How Does MTV Survive? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2834180)

Sex. MTV sells Sex. It's soft core porn for teens who don't know about IRC.

The error message when you start it the first time (1)

Y-Crate (540566) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834125)

"ERROR: An error has occured. Reinstall Windows, or even Linux, man, WTF is this "MTV-Specific" shit? Get it off my hard drive platter any way you can! Please?"

MTV Will do Amazing with This (5, Interesting)

Ieshan (409693) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834127)

I'm in college now, and I have to tell you, MTV will do amazing with this if they promote it the right way.

Most college-age guys and girls want nothing more than to write papers and play music on. Sure, it's an amazing waste of processing power, but that's all they want.

If it says Windows, the goons think "Word", and if it says MTV, the goons think "Music". Word and Music, that's the only reason they need the PC anyway.

The internet is a big factor, but people are slowly starting to realize that the internet is available anywhere with a connection, and isn't PC dependant at all. They're still shaky on the music and processing part, for some reason.

Oh well, I expect to see dozens of these in the dorm room next year.

Why no console? (2, Insightful)

ebbomega (410207) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834128)

As mentioned before, a thematic PC has already been proven to be a load of crap, basically toys for overpriviledged kids *coughBarbiecoughHotwheelscough*. While this does appeal more to the College/High-School generation that has a big sale rate for computers (Common graduation gift, I spose), understand that they are going to be buying them for that purpose: College and High school... so the odds of getting an entertainment-based system over something with a bit more practicality are slightly lower.

So the question is here: Why not just make an entertainment-based Console computer? Honestly, stop trying to make them PCs and come up with the Nintendo/MTV MusicCube or something like that... Be a helluva lot cheaper and thusly more likely that you're going to make some kind of dent on the market itself...

Then again, you could just buy an X-box...

Tuners = F'in useless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2834134)

Why even bother? You can't do anything with a tuner these days. All video content is being hidden behind those stupid proprietary recievers. Satellite, digital cable, even regular analog cable...none of them are in the clear any more.

You might as well just put three or four sets of AV inputs instead...or better yet, some kind of IR transmitter (not just receiver) to help control these mysterious black boxes.

The only saving grace (2, Interesting)

da_Den_man (466270) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834135)

Is the fact they they chose the AMD Athlon Series of chips to build these waste - of -space devices. That doesn't in any way account for the prices however. $1800 dollars is way too much for this type of system. if they were really inclined, a person could put one togther for less than $500. Just my .02

Correlation? (4, Funny)

satanami69 (209636) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834166)

Just how much Silicon can one company push?

eh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2834214)

This is actually kind of a good move for MTV.
MTV is supposedly geared torward college kids and most new college kids need computers.

What it will look like (4, Informative)

KirTakat (110620) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834217)

They are saying the pc will be produced by Lan Plus, so this [lan-plus.com] is probably what it will be.

Review of Vanilla Sky (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2834235)

In the end we find out that it was all just a lucid dream while he is in a cryogenic chamber.
Good movie though.

What happened to MTV? (1)

starz (473169) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834236)

Is it more profitable to be the way they are now? It's like the "old MTV" sold their soul and...well, MTV is just poop now. I was watching the 20 year anniversary special and they had some cool shit! Headbangers Ball, The Head, Beavis and Butthead, Liquid TV...and now you can't find anything on MTV that is somewhat chancy for them to put on TV (except for some fat ass on some rap video).

I switched to much music (at least they have somewhat better music) and I'm sure M2 might be better than both MTV and Much but for now I'd guess I'll stick when Anti-Pop videos.

MTV Pentium 6 introduced (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2834243)

The new MTV P6 is a really cool computer. My ass smells funny also.

You know what (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2834244)

The ctrl-H thing might have been funny in 1989 when it was first used, but now it screams WANNABEEEEE

Don't Laugh (2)

Chibi (232518) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834255)

I don't understand why the Slashdot crowd is so jaded by this. Yeah, this development won't really apply to anyone here, but that's not the market that MTV is targeting with this.

They are going for the average user, one that doesn't care about having the latest AMD (rather than Intel) processor, a DVD-ROM without hardware-level region-coding, etc, etc. As someone else pointed out, they want the users that just want something to type their papers, check e-mail, browse, run some P2P app, and watch DVDs. And there are plenty more of these people than there are of us (and they have plenty of disposable income that can be spent on things after they get their computers).

Who's to say that this new media doesn't catch on for whatever God-awful reason, and we slowly see other companies following the lead here and the media catches on? (dumber things have happened)

And it's definitely possible that MTV is not trying to take over the computer industry with this. They are probably looking at a way to extend their brand into other arenas and make some money along the way. They've got a strong brand name, and as more of the younger generation get online, it's a logical step for them. They are already using e-mail and their web site to develop large fan communities. And the members of these communities have plenty of money to spend.

MTV will be laughing...all the way to the bank.

Product Placement??!? (1)

Keyser_Lives (543481) | more than 12 years ago | (#2834265)

Tonight on Jackass: Watch as Johnny tries to upgrade the RAM on his new MTVBox using only his teeth! (subtle plug) Then watch in amazement as wee man spends hours playing MTV Solitaire (on his new MTVBox, of course...) - ON HIS OWN!!!. Dave tried to upgrade the HD without a static guard. Laugh at his misery as he lives in a world without his MTVBox!!! Imagine, a world without the MTVBox!! What will his friends say?!?!? Don't let this happen to you! Get mom to buy three today! (less subtle plug...) Please do not submit video tapes of yourself doing the same, as they are not funny. Now buy the damn thing.
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