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Consumer Electronics Show 2002 Report

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the toys-toys-toys dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "I've noticed that Target PC posted their report on this year's Consumer Eletronics Show in Las Vegas. Looks like 2002 will be the year of wireless networking and recordable DVD. In the same article they cover Samsung's upcoming portable computer based on the StrongARM 206MHz processor that will be available in 2Q." Many wireless products (including 802.11a), huge LCD displays, and more -- I hope people who were at the show can comment on the things missed in this report, or in The Washington Posts's report.

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Yeah .. (2, Interesting)

hygelic (181078) | more than 12 years ago | (#2835937)

and just how many products were shown as "new" products last year?

Re:Yeah .. (-1)

cyborg_monkey (150790) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836028)

You call that a first post? I hate you and would add you to my foes list, if it were not already full.

Re:Yeah .. (-1)

Tasty Beef Jerky (543576) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836415)

You're just full of hate, aren't you?

If you want, I have a topical ointment that may help that.

Re:Yeah .. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836326)

12 and a goth

fark (-1, Offtopic)

SirHalcyon (267061) | more than 12 years ago | (#2835938)

fark

Re:fark (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836189)

Boobies! uh, I mean F.irst P.ost!

The other show in Las Vegas... (-1, Offtopic)

TheNecromancer (179644) | more than 12 years ago | (#2835943)

I hope people who were at the show can comment on the things missed in this report

I think the only comments you'll get are how hot the strippers are at Glitter Gulch!

Re:The other show in Las Vegas... (0, Offtopic)

nemui-chan (550759) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836347)

I'm from Las Vegas... they aren't that hot. ;p

Re:The other show in Las Vegas... (-1, Offtopic)

TheGreenLantern (537864) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836443)

You obviously haven't had enough to drink.

LCDs (1, Interesting)

SirHalcyon (267061) | more than 12 years ago | (#2835948)

LCD's have already come down a lot... hopefully 2002 will see them really become affordable.

Re:LCDs (3, Interesting)

FastT (229526) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836097)

You mean projectors? Yeah, absolutely. Some friends and I watched a couple movies on an InSync projector at work last night. The picture quality was stunning, far better than any TV I'd seen. It was even better than most movie theatres.

Apparently, at least InFocus is getting on board with marketing to consumers. Check out the InFocus ScreenPlay [infocushome.com] . Unfortunately, the home models are more expensive than some of the corporate models, but I'm hoping that volume and word of mouth will start to lower prices. At least these companies are finally realizing that they can market to the consumer.

Re:LCDs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836269)

They'll have to rename that projector before I every buy one. :)

Re:LCDs (1)

Sobrique (543255) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836409)

TV! Bah, the _real_ use for video projectors is playing Doom/Quake/$FPS_OF_CHOICE.

Re:LCDs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836437)

True, the image quality of DVD playback on a LCD or DLP projector is stunning, at least if you connect it to your PC's VGA output, and if it has a real resolution of at least 1024x768. Have the DVD software scale the image to this resolution; scaling algorithms are pretty good nowadays. The picture will still be somewhat less sharp than what you get at a movie theater, but it is STABLE. It doesn't annoyingly FLICKER at 24Hz, it doesn't JITTER and there are no SCRATCHES (at least if it's a recent movie).

But do not even think of hooking a 800x600 unit like the advertised InFocus ScreenPlay using an S-Video or other crap consumer video connection to a standard DVD player. You'd be missing more than you realize...

Re:LCDs (1)

WinPimp2K (301497) | more than 12 years ago | (#2837011)

And if you don't mean projectors, the nice folks that make LCD monitors think they will be able to raise prices this year - as demand is finally catching up with supply. There is a story about it over on zdnet [zdnet.com]
Of course, they are talking about shortages "especially in the 15 inch segment". I'm looking for something bigger to replace a 21" CRT - so I hope the larger ones keep getting cheaper.

Hi Everyone (-1)

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can i post yet? (-1)

TRoLLaXoR (181585) | more than 12 years ago | (#2835956)

this may be more than a 72-hour IP ban...

Ah! I am heard!

Recordable DVDs (1, Informative)

kila_m (548924) | more than 12 years ago | (#2835959)

My site will be covering recordable DVDs :) OK shamless plug... http://www.dvdwriters.co.uk

802.11a..... (2, Interesting)

wo1verin3 (473094) | more than 12 years ago | (#2835971)

and i just shelled out for 802.11b in the house :(

I'm more curious about linksys's cable modem/access point/router solution, does it depend on your cable ISP to determine if you can provide your own?

Also, if anyone has a truckload of those 23.1" lcds..please reply :)

Re:802.11a..... (3, Informative)

Holophax (21693) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836091)

The Linksys box still plugs into your existing cable modem. You connect your cable modem into the Linksys box and it does the rest from there. Same deal as using a FreeBSD or Linux NAT solution. So it doesn't matter who your ISP is since your still using their equpiment.

Re:802.11a..... (1)

wo1verin3 (473094) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836641)

Actually if you read the article they mention a complete all-in-one solution that I am reffering to. I currently have a linksys wireless router.

The article talks about a cable modem/router/wireless access point device coming out in the future. [targetpc.com]

>>In the second quarter of 2002 they have an
>>interesting all in one solution combining a
>>cable modem and a wireless 802.11a router

This is the year of wireless networking? (4, Insightful)

tony_gardner (533494) | more than 12 years ago | (#2835975)

The last five years have all been the year of wireless networking. How about a surprise?

The year of realising that wireless networking is at best a niche market.

or maybe

The year of realising that most people want their old broadband connection back, more than any low speed network.

Or have these businesses already forgotten the dot com problem of basing your business model on niche markets: there is no room for expansion.

Re:This is the year of wireless networking? (3, Informative)

RazzleFrog (537054) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836002)

I think that wireless networking has great potential in the private sector. I know my boss has 3 kids but broadband to only 1 computer (you do the math). He doesn't want to lay Cat 5 everywhere and he doesn't have even a regular phone jack in every room. Wireless would be an excellent option for him even at the premium cost.

Re:This is the year of wireless networking? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836042)

The fact you had to use your bosses kids as an example proves that its a niche market.

Re:This is the year of wireless networking? (3, Funny)

RazzleFrog (537054) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836084)

What? Your boss doesn't have kids? I have several layers of bosses and hundreds of coworkers. Lots of them have kids. If by niche you mean everybody who has kids and homes that are larger than one bedroom then yes, yes it is a niche market. I personally would like to sell some product to that niche.

Re:This is the year of wireless networking? (3, Interesting)

stripes (3681) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836157)

The fact you had to use your bosses kids as an example proves that its a niche market.

I could use my in-laws as an example (only one computer, but not close to a phone line, they decided to buy an 802.11 base station and card).

I could use myself, after using 802.11 with a laptop at work a bit I got hooked on not having to sit at my desk to use the net. I could use, um, at least 3 of my friends as an example there too (all for laptop use I think).

Of corse if everyone were like the people I knew wireless was the technology of the last two years, and has nowhere really to go :-) (at least until we buy more computers)

Re:This is the year of wireless networking? (2, Funny)

Sobrique (543255) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836108)

That's a really fantastic idea.
Get a load of muppets broadband enabled, plug in some Wireless access points, and never have to pay for my net access again!
Thus starts the Evil (tm)[1] scheme to freeload off people with more money than sense, by shipping 'wireless enabled' cable and xDSL modems.
(Yes, I did (tm) Evil. I am the owner of the universe and thus can do so.)

Re:This is the year of wireless networking? (1)

RazzleFrog (537054) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836141)

I am assuming that most of these people have homes and property. Obvously in an apartment or condo you might unwillingly provide all of your neighbors with internet access, in a home there is less of a chance. That is unless, of course, you want to live inside a car outside of their house.

Re:This is the year of wireless networking? (1)

Sobrique (543255) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836215)

That's a very good point.
Note to self: Boost range, or design repeater to hide in their garden.
Or make them move to a smaller house so they're close enough together to get overlap of the wlan cells.

No big deal (1)

silicon_synapse (145470) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836848)

The foil lining on the walls will take care of that. What? Why are you all looking at me like that?

It's bigfoot time! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836214)

Dear sir,

It has come to our attention that you have spuriously claimed to own the trademark to evil. It is a widely know fact on slashdot that Microsoft owns evil [bbspot.com] and any associated trademarks, copyrights and patents. Desist from making further misrepresentations or you will hear from our lawyers.

hugs and kisses,
Billg [mailto]

http://www.freenetworks.org/ (3, Informative)

Moderation abuser (184013) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836262)

HTH, HAND etc.

Re:This is the year of wireless networking? (1)

2nesser (538763) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836062)

The IBM software lab in Markham (Toronto-ish) has all it's laptops (pretty much everybody get's one) on a wireless network.

Take your laptop and go. I like that idea. Apparently you can work 50 feet from the building, which brings up security conserns. But I'll leave that up to ppl smarter than myself.

Cheers.

Re:This is the year of wireless networking? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836468)

Remember when every year was the Year of the LAN?

Microsoft jumps into Flatscreen Monitor market.... (0, Offtopic)

jeffy124 (453342) | more than 12 years ago | (#2835979)

tried submitting this link to /., rejected

http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/ptech/01/08/microsoft .gates.reut/index.html [cnn.com]

all told, looks like quite an interesting (and somewhat original) product. originality being something rare for MS.

Re:Microsoft jumps into Flatscreen Monitor market. (3, Funny)

benjymous (69893) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836041)

Yeah, that article mentions the new MS technologies "Mira" and "Freestyle"

I guess "Hawk" and "Skater" will be following soon...

Re:Microsoft jumps into Flatscreen Monitor market. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836114)

ok, some moderator obviously didnt follow the link ... it was about something Microsoft presented at the CES show

What does CES stand for again? (3, Insightful)

Zocalo (252965) | more than 12 years ago | (#2835983)

Only from the coverage, it looks like Samsung have renamed it from the "Consumer Electronics Show" to "Consumer Electronics? Samsung!".

At least someone out there has an impressive marketing budget to spend in this year we're all expecting doom and gloom...

Re:What does CES stand for again? (-1)

TrollMan 5000 (454685) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836081)

Perhaps it's Samsung doing a lot of the innovating lately. They are also the world's largest chipmaker.

Re:What does CES stand for again? (3, Interesting)

Quizme2000 (323961) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836169)

I was at CES this year and while Samsung was there, they only had sales people there (big suprise) and where right across from the MS (CE .NET) booth. Anyway, CES has thousands of exhibitors from Car Audio and Entertainment to Cell Phone Battery manufactures. The Sharp Booth was showing off the Zarus to a very positive crowd reaction and Royal was showing the Li@ux Device they had to a very mild hmmm. With the exception of the Xplode Demo booth and the Super CDs Sony was noticeably absent this year in the main halls, there was maybe 1 or 2 PS2s I saw being used in TV demos. The Coolest addition this year was the Digital Convergence Fashion Show held in the main hall. Though the models didn't er quite know what they where suppossed to do with these gadgets damn did they look good showing them off. I would say that CES has gotten too big, It was really hard to find specific catagoies of products without just walking around until you're back hurts, even with all the books and magizines it was still difficult. BTW the 20ft by 60ft. Blue Screen of Death shown at the Phillips booth Wednesday for 2 hours was cool.

Re:What does CES stand for again? (2)

Leven Valera (127099) | more than 12 years ago | (#2837152)

Digital Convergence Fashion Show held in the main hall. Though the models didn't er quite know what they where suppossed to do with these gadgets damn did they look good showing them off.


Isn't Digital Convergence the same makers of the cuecats, those lovely scanners that look like dildos? If so, that must have been fantastic pr0n. :)

side note - "for optimal performance..." (5, Funny)

sammy baby (14909) | more than 12 years ago | (#2835989)

I found the following quote pretty amusing:

For optimal performance we did not compress the pictures, loading times might be longer for some and click the picture to enlarge.

Translation: we wanted to tell all our friends we'd been Slashdotted, so we made sure to include an assload of moderate-to-high resolution pics right in the page. We did, however, mess with the aspect ratio [targetpc.com] of some of the pics to make people think they were looking at super-long TVs displaying female dwarf powerlifters.

Apple at the forefront... (5, Interesting)

Mac Nazgul (196332) | more than 12 years ago | (#2835996)

And how long has Apple had high-end solutions (they work) for both Wireless connectivity and DVD recording capabilities?
The PC side is only just getting around to it in consumer machines...

Re:Apple at the forefront... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836051)

Just because the vendors weren't selling it built into their machines, it doesn't mean it didn't exist. They just realized that the demand wasn't there yet. Now that the demand for wireless is increasing most of them are including them as options.

As for DVD burning, until one technology becomes the standard it isn't going to take off in the joe average user market.

Re:Apple at the forefront... (3, Interesting)

nzhavok (254960) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836066)

Yes it's fair to say that apple actually does innovate, the shame is that most people will still stick with PC's because they are too afraid to make the paradigm shift.

Personally OSX has made it a lot easier for me to make the shift, but really I'm now faced with the choice of; should I pay an extra $500 for OSX vs linux?

Probably not until they ship a proper mouse by default at least ;-)

Re:Apple at the forefront... (1, Insightful)

st0rmshad0w (412661) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836152)

Um, upwards of $1300 for DVD recording ability is not "comsumer" electronics.

Re:Apple at the forefront... (2)

Bandman (86149) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836454)

Not that I disagree, but it's funny because I can remember when $2000 was considered feasable for a new computer. It hasn't been THAT long ago :)

Re:Apple at the forefront... (0, Troll)

ocelotbob (173602) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836156)

Well, of course, the Wireless solutions in this show are the 802.11a adapters, instead of the slower 802.11b adapters found in the mac. Of course, you've also neglected to realize that Macs live in the niche markets. PCs usually don't get items such as DVD burning until they're reasonably priced - few people were going to buy a DVD burner when blank DVDs were $30 a piece.

Though I must ask you, when's apple going to start putting some real video cards, like the GF3 or the Radeon 8500 in their boxes (or spheres or whatever shape they want to make them this year)?

Re:Apple at the forefront... (1, Informative)

Alan Partridge (516639) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836243)

Apple's blank DVDs were NEVER $30 a piece - they started at $9 each and are now $5... As to when you'll get those video cards you mention:- the GF3 has been a BTO PowerMac option for a whole year now (that card was actually DEBUTED on the Mac) and ATI will sell you a Radeon 8500 Mac Edition NOW - with BTO rumoured in the near future. Any other questions, or are you sick of being shown up now? Idiot.

Re:Apple at the forefront... (1)

ocelotbob (173602) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836282)

So I was wrong about the video cards, I'll admit it. Of course, you've got to spend a couple thousand dollars for the "privlidge" of a halfway decent video card. I can get a PC with such a card for a thousand dollars or so.

Of course, you haven't answered me about the wireless solutions. When is Apple going to offer wireless with decent speed, ie 802.11a?

Re:Apple at the forefront... (1, Informative)

Alan Partridge (516639) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836332)

Apple have apparently decided that 802.11a is a dead end because it DOESN'T offer backwards compatibility with 802.11b. Therefore a NEW variant has been agreed called 802.11g, that offers better bandwidth than 802.11a AND compatibility with 802.11b. You could have researched this yourself of course, but I guess it's more fun to try and perpetuate myths about how technologically backward and overpriced Apple's products are. Fool.

Re:Apple at the forefront... (0, Flamebait)

ocelotbob (173602) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836398)

Better bandwidth than 802.11a? Bullshit. Both 802.11a, and 802.11g offer 54mbit/sec. Plus, 802.11g runs on the 2.4 gigahertz band, which means things like cordless phones, and even microwave ovens will kill your bandwidth, which is a limitation 802.11a doesn't have. So I guess, you could say that apple is going with a lower quality solution for compatibility's sake. Isn't that what apple lovers claim PCs do?

Still, you have neglected to answer my question about the availability of high end video cards on lower priced macs. When are you going to be able to upgrade your iMac to a GF3?

Re:Apple at the forefront... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836431)

Probably when I can upgrade this crappy Dell Optiplex to a GeForce 3.

Get a life.

Hmmm... You can GF3 an OptiPlex (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836591)

Depending on the chasis series. I just installed a Radeon on one for somebody (don't ask, his dept paid for it...).

Re:Apple at the forefront... (2, Informative)

clontzman (325677) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836425)

GF3 has been a BTO PowerMac option for a whole year now (that card was actually DEBUTED on the Mac)

Not true. Like the Pioneer DVD-R drive, the GeForce3 was ANNOUNCED first on the Mac, but both shipped first on the PC. Compaq had their DVD-R PC shipping well before Apple did, and I could go to the CompUSA and buy a GeForce3 off the shelf before Apple's machines ever shipped.

Don't believe the hype!

Re:Apple at the forefront... (2)

stripes (3681) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836211)

And how long has Apple had high-end solutions (they work) for both Wireless connectivity and...

Er, the big deal with Apple wireless is it ain't high end. They were the first with affordable base stations (~$250 when PC ones were far more), and affordable cards ($99 when PC ones were more like $300). Of corse PC base stations are now $200 or a little under, and Apple's have just moved up to $300 (well, and gotten a bit better), and the cards are still $100 (or $47 referb). So all Apple has left is the built in antennas (which totally rock, I like having an antenna I don't have to worry about breaking off when I walk with the laptop).

and DVD recording capabilities?

I'm pretty sure Sony had one within a few months of the G4, and it may have been a few months before, similar price though, and Sony's software really does suck huge. iMovie works much better :-)

Re:Apple at the forefront... DVD-RW v. DVD+RW (3, Informative)

nedron (5294) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836216)

Additionally, Apple was smart and is going with the recordable/rewriteable format (DVD-R/DVD-RW) santioned by the DVD Forum [dvdforum.com] . Many of the PC manufacturers are going for the non-endorsed DVD+RW.

Heaven only knows why, since manufacturers won't be required to support the format in order to get the DVD logo licensed (unless and until the DVD Forum is persuaded to adopt an additional write/rewrite standard which is highly unikely). Ie., the discs may play in PC drives, but won't necessarily work in licensed players (particularly set top). If I'm only worried about backups, then DVD+RW has a couple of features that help, but if I'm interested in making standard video DVDs that play on the widest possible range of players, then DVD-R and DVD-RW are the way to go.

DVD-RAM is an even worse proposition, since it is designed for forward compatibility only and concentrates on data storage.

Re:Apple at the forefront... DVD-RW v. DVD+RW (1)

RazzleFrog (537054) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836492)

Which version of the Superdrive has DVD-RW? I couldn't find any specs on it on the Apple website. They only mention DVD-R. Ironically, they do sell a DVD-RAM device [apple.com] in the Apple Store.

PC at the forefront... (0, Flamebait)

asv108 (141455) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836343)

The PC had both solutions before Apple adopted them. As far as DVD recording is concerned, the DVD recorder included in the powermacs and the new imacs is mickey mouse at best.

Re:PC at the forefront... (2)

flimflam (21332) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836363)

the DVD recorder included in the powermacs and the new imacs is mickey mouse at best.

Care to elaborate?

Actually... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836394)

Compaq had it nearly a month after Apple in their consumer line. Their 3rd party recording software was a piece of shit, however.

of course... (-1, Flamebait)

69calicojack69 (466840) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836001)

the past couple years, APPLE (leader in innovation) has been PERFECTING wireless and dvd burning. of course it is time for the rat-pack to follow the pied-piper where they are leading computing.

hop on- and realize if you want tomorrows technology today, you buy apple. if you want yesterdays technology tomorrow, you buy windows.

when will those losers wake up and realize they innovate **NOTHING** except the blue screen of death (a concept foreign to mac- but innovated by M$)

Re:of course... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836015)

Ah yes, tomorrow's technology today. What with that fancy new iMac, and its blazing 800Mhz Processor ... and 100Mhz FSB! Ok, so you can burn DVDs and and make movies? You can DO those things in windows, just maybe its easier on a mac. Keep telling yourself that as you slowly pay off the $1800 for that mac using "tomorrow's" technology.

And don't try to tell me your mac doesn't crash (re your blue screen comment). Mac OS 9 goes down more than $2 whore in a room full of Jewish Lawyers.

Suck it.

Re:of course... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836023)

a concept foreign to mac- but innovated by M$

Of course, Apple innovated the lock up completly without any obvious reason, then hit Ctrl-Apple-ESC (or something like that), choose force-quit and then totally lock up so that you had to pull the power cord. I realize that was back in the OS 7/8 days but since I haven't seen a blue screen since I first started using NT (3 years I think) I figure I can use an outdated reference too.

Re:of course... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836073)

Uh Oh! It looks like the mac addict moderators have wasted their mod points on my "contrary to their beliefs post". Well keep wasting them on me. God forbid you mod a post based on its value and not whether you agree with it or not.

Bashing Microsoft and throwing around bullshit about how Apple innovated wirelss and DVD burning when they were just the first to sell it with their machines is not insightful. Apple didn't develop either technology. They were developed by other companies or consortiums.

Re:of course... (2, Funny)

tommck (69750) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836115)

they innovate **NOTHING** except the blue screen of death

Yeah... they just have that cute little frown face when something serious goes wrong (at least that's what the earlier Macs did)

T

Thats pretty funny, if just wrong... (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836560)

Well, well, the crack... err, Mac addicts are out and about today I see.

Here is an interesting test we did here at State Farm in the Advanced Technology Test Center at corporate south. We test just about EVERYTHING, and do it comprehensively and competitively with real world users. (remeber that we are one of the largest IT buyers of software and hardware in the US, and have a very large IT/IS infrastructure with multiple network types and standards in use as well as desktop solutions).

We set up a Mac running OS X, a PC running XP Pro, and the same type of PC running Linux RedHat. The only apps installed and used were Nutscrap and Star Office (latest builds).

They were connected on a 10/100 network (Bay Networks router) to a NT domain server.

We ran them 5 days a week for 2 months. Test results were, well... enlightening.

The Linux Box locked on average of 1 time a day. Users were confused by the OS but generally picked it up after a week or so. Most locks were related to hardware drivers for the NIC as well as some compile issues in advanced features of Star Office.

The WinXP box crashed twice in 8 weeks. Once for the infamous Infinite Loop BSOD (NVIDIA card), once for a spam site that launched over two dozen "pop ups" which was Nutscraps fault.

The Mac had an up time of less than 3 weeks total. First the HD failed. Replacement HD worked fine, reloaded, but OS crashed in Nutscrap every hour or so. Star Office locked the computer up on average of every 15 minutes in use. Video driver updates and a reload did not help. HD thrashed uncontrollably when on graphics intense websites. Five seperate browser based java applications crashed the machine, once resulting in the need for yet another reload. The mouse had to be replaced, as did eventually the PS fan... thats in 8 measley weeks.

The Mac rep couldn't offer up an explaination. She did disclose that there were some quality issues with the latest cases and PS, but nothing to "worry about". We concluded that the OS was pure crap and that the PS was at fault for quite a few problems as well.

Network monitoring tools on the bridge indicated that the Linux box performed best, followed closely by XP (especially with QoS uninstalled)... the Mac was flat awfull, with trash traffic and dropped packets left and right.

I am so tired of this whole debate... there isn't really anything to debate. Crap OS (any number, they all suck), awful interface, slow hardware that is overly expensive, and a significant lack of functional applications with mainstream functionality and compliance really cripple the MAC. They are still only in existence because small to medium education and print institutions are stuck in the Mac IT cycle and can't afford to break out. It's a PC for those non-conformist hippies... thank god natural selection is slowly eeking you out of the world population, just like MAC is slowly sliding from the IT scene.

I would rather be stuck with a quirky Linux based PC box or a overpriced MS powered box anyday.

Playing catchup (-1, Offtopic)

Enrico Pulatzo (536675) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836003)

That [apple.com] was so last year!

Stephen King, author, dead at 54 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836035)


I just heard some sad news on talk radio - author Stephen King was found dead in his home this morning. There weren't any more detail than that - maybe at the next hourly update. A very sad day indeed .... even if you didn't enjoy his work, you can't deny his contributions to american culture. Truly and icon.

Re:Stephen King, author, dead at 54 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836040)

This is a bullshit post. He posts every few weeks with some bullshit death. Please ignore.

Re:Stephen King, author, dead at 54 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836181)


Actually he doesn't.

Re:Stephen King, author, dead at 54 (-1)

neal n bob (531011) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836194)

you are clearly a stupid ac penis and should immediately go outside to the nearest source of flammable liquid, dowse yourself in it, then light a match or lighter or jump into the olympic torch.

This classic crapflood piece is posted in almost every article and has included some true deaths. Who can forget Dave Thomas and all he contributed to the fat linux lards on this site. I bet RMS has some pieces of Big Classic in his beard somewhere if you look hard enough.

nice LCD (3, Interesting)

f00zbll (526151) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836079)

Of all the photos on that review, the LCD's are the most "drool worthy". Wasn't LEP (light emitting polymers) supposed to revolutionize the flat screen industry. I guess everyone will have to wait another 2-5 years for that to pan out and make large cheap screens a reality.

I'll be ready to trade in my 19" when I can get the same size flat screen for 10% more than what a CRT costs today.

Re:nice LCD (1)

pacc (163090) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836241)

Nothing will revolutionize the flat screen industry until it's in production. And if
you are looking for "large" you'll probably
have to wait for a bit longer.

Why aren't there a market for displays with a limited lifetime when cellular phones are replaced every other year anyway?

Re:nice LCD (1)

shadow303 (446306) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836541)

I recently acquired one of the vp201m's at work and I am quite impressed. Not only is it nice and bright, but it has a wide viewing angle as well. However, the price is absolutely obscene. The 18" viewsonic costs about $2000 (not sure about the 20" vp201m). The 10% margin is a *long* way off. I'd be happy if the bigger models only cost twice as much as the equivalent CRTs.

Wearables? (3, Interesting)

Raleel (30913) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836095)

You know, it's funny, but there does not seem to be an expansion of wearables. Lots of personal assistant things, but all that require you to pull it out and look at it and control with a dull plastic implement. DO people feel they need to get even smaller?

Re:Wearables? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836314)

Until wearable displays are implanted in the retina and can read your thoughts for their input, I doubt they will be anything more than a small niche market for hardcore geeks and professional mechanics/engineers. Most normal people ("consumers") would prefer using a small handheld box than walking around looking like a borg. Wires and eyeglass-mounted projectors and arm-mounted keyboards just aren't very stylish. I'm not surprised there were far more handheld PDAs than wearables at the Consumer Electronics Show.

Fuck you CmdrTaco, you faggot asshole!!! (-1)

CmderTaco (533794) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836104)

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m$'s part (3, Funny)

jeffy124 (453342) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836149)

at the show, billy gates did a keynote involving something rather cool for MS. (hard to imagine something like that coming form MS, but oh well) they came up with a flat touchscreen monitor that detaches from it's base and can be carried around the house like a tablet, and a wireless link allows you to keep using your computer.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/ptech/01/08/microsoft .gates.reut/index.html [cnn.com]

Re:m$'s part (2, Funny)

jhines0042 (184217) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836237)

"The opportunities for the consumer electronics, software and media industries have never been greater and this cycle of innovation has the potential to deliver valuable stimulus to the economy," Gates said in his prepared remarks.

Man, it must be nice to be able to say these kind of things with a straight face.

Re:m$'s part (2, Funny)

sinistermidget (73363) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836248)

Great, now I can lose my monitor behind the couch. Whereas you can still grudgingly watch TV without a lost remote, it might get just a little difficult downoading pr0n without a monitor.

Re:m$'s part (2, Funny)

Tony.Tang (164961) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836606)

Dude, it's all about the crontabs. It's the viewing that's gonna be hard.

Re:m$'s part (1)

illusion_2K (187951) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836338)

Big deal.

About five years ago at the Ottawa 2600 meetings that I frequented, there was a guy with a device just like that. Now, it was kind of impressive to look at (had a keyboard app which loaded at startup), but the specs were OK at best. If I remember correctly, it had at least

a 12" LCD touch-screen

a 386 or a 486

a built in 14.4 modem

It would have been even more impressive, except that the batteries didn't work anymore - so the guy had to plug it in like a normal computer. Supposedly he'd gotten about a half hour of battery life off it just after he'd gotten it from another guy from some forsale newsgroup. I wish I could remember the name of the company that made it, but I'm pretty sure it's long since dead.

In conclusion - stuff like this has been around for ages. Just because it's what MS is hyping hardly means it's new or revolutionary.

Re:m$'s part (1)

kawaichan (527006) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836426)

Let me summary this, both products will never fly,

Freestyle - POS, if webtv failed, I don't see why this would even fly, PC are so cheap these days, what's to point to have this?

Mira - Really cool, remember that the rumored iMac would do this, however, 802.11b is too slow for this kind of stuff, wait for 802.11g and the lower cost of LCD Touchscreens until this thing will start to fly.

Re:m$'s part (2)

deebaine (218719) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836635)

Personally, I'm not so impressed. Apple's already been there. I suspect that no matter how over-engineered the joint might be, anybody with a new iMac and a five year-old in the house will soon have a machine with a flat LCD that conveniently detaches from its base for easy portability around the house. Of course, Apple's doesn't have the wireless link yet...

-db

Samsung Nexio and G.Mate Yopy (2)

leandrod (17766) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836205)

It is a situation analogous to Compaq iPaq and Digital Itsy: the techs learn whatever they need with free software, management kills the transformation of the prototype into a product and instead release a proprietary system. So the enterprise uses free software to learn enough to promote proprietary systems.

That's why we need the GNU GPL and FDL, but still that's not enough.

Gadget confusion (5, Insightful)

michaeljs (550788) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836244)

This may yet be the year of wireless gadgets and DVD burners - but standards are a problem. Until things converge, or someone is boldly declared the winner (DVD-R, DVD+RW or whatever the bloody acronymns are) I'm not sure I'd want to invest in a piece of soon-to-be obsolete equipment. DVD players took ages to take off (years longer than predicted) because of differing DVD disc standards. The same thing could happen with burners.

RE: Wireless. 3G is still ages away and given that GPRS is only a temporary fixup, I'm not sure how great this year will be.

Nevertheless, bring on the gadgets.

Re:Gadget confusion (1)

nemui-chan (550759) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836370)

Besides that, media, for any of the standards, is still insanely expensive, is it not? Though I can't really deny that I would love to have a dvd with my 16 gigs of mp3s on it. Kinda nice to have 300 hours of music on one disk.

Remember When... (1)

TheWhiteOtaku (266508) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836261)

Remember the days before E3 back when the CES was where video game publishers showcased their upcoming material? It's strange that now E3 is one of the largest conventions.

Please lick my balls... (-1)

CmderTaco (533794) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836273)

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ConnectedTV remote + guide + spam filter (2, Interesting)

SimHacker (180785) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836301)

David Levitt and I demonstrated "ConnectedTV [connected.tv] " at CES for the first time.

ConnectedTV is an online service and Palm application that functions as a universal remote control with integrated personalized TV guide, spam filtering and intelligent categorization.

We designed the ConnectedTV interface so you can hold it in one hand and easily operate it with your thumb or finger. ConnectedTV features pie menus: a fun, fast and reliable selection technique that you can do with your fingers.

Pie menus are provably much more efficient than old fashioned buttons and pull-down menus. Just as The Sims lets you use pie menus to direct the lives of virtual people, now ConnectedTV lets you easily navigate your own personal entertainment schedule, and control your TV and other devices. Because selecting entertainment should be more like playing a video game than taking the Standardized Aptitude Test.

More information about ConnectedTV including screen snapshots are available at: http://www.Connected.TV [connected.tv]

-Don

Re:ConnectedTV remote + guide + spam filter (2)

don_carnage (145494) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836452)

I've read that the IR on the Palm PDAs is not quite strong enough to operate as a standard remote. Is this true?

Extreme Tech's Report (5, Informative)

asv108 (141455) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836360)

You can check out ExtremeTech's report here [extremetech.com]

Solutions (2, Funny)

frunch (513023) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836381)

Why the hell is everything called a "solution" these days?! A network card isn't a network card, but a "wireless network access solution". Samsung displayed their latest LCD and flat TV solutions [targetpc.com] ! Yamaha had their DVD+RW solution [targetpc.com] on display as well.

Jesus! Someday soon a mouse won't be a mouse but a "cursor-moving and activation solution". I liked it better when a monitor was a "monitor" and a flat-panel monitor was an "expensive, cool-looking monitor".

Blame marketing (4, Insightful)

freeweed (309734) | more than 12 years ago | (#2837092)

Why the hell is everything called a "solution" these days?!

Let's face it, the majority of consumer electronics never really take off, and manufacturers know this. In many cases (Commodore Amiga) it's because there IS no market for the product at present. Calling something a 'solution' immediately makes management think that 'well, if there's a solution, there MUST be a problem!'. And the buying spree commences...

Of course, the honest route of 'our goods are useless and can't sell themselves solely on their own merit' went the way of the Dodo several decades ago. LCD monitors are some of the worst offenders here: sure, some people need every available square inch of desk space. But guess what? Most offices do not. That extra space just ends up turning into a mess of unorganized filing space. So what does every 'modern' secretary have on his/her 3x5(ish) desk? A nice new LCD monitor, to save that precious square foot or so of space! All because we've become convinced that monitors are somehow 'space-wasting'. I guess that explains the slow adoption of PC hardware over the past 20 years :)

CES = Long line for bowel movements (0)

First_In_Hell (549585) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836451)

This year is not going to be a good year for anything, let alone tech stuff.

Lame anus licking analysts are touting the fall of capitalism saying how the economy is {supposedly} down the toilet (despite good gains on the market latley). These moronic reports on the economy do nothing but scare the crap out of people who know nothing about the real world, then they stop spending, and people lose jobs. If the fucking media does nothing but talk about a recession, then it is bound to happen, I think CNN and MSNBC want a recession, this way that guy with a pole in his anus (Brian Williams) will have something to talk about because the Taliban is passe`.

Most of the misinformation out there with the economy is due to people's misunderstanding of tech stuff anyway.

They can kiss my anal cavity, I will keep taking violent shits and spending as much money as humanly possible.

Fuck MSNBC!

"Solutions", NOT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836472)

Arg, I hate it when people use the word "solutions" to mean "product". Eg:
First they had their new low cost digital camera
solution; an improvement over their previous DSC 350 model which we reviewed a while back. The 350F offers improved image quality, smart card and a cleaner design; the 350F will start at an interesting 49$ USD.
It's got the most anoying corpspeak words going these days. I even heard somebody say "that solution doesn't work for us".
Hello, if is doesn't work then its not a solution, pal!!!

Tunein -Tuneout! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836611)

Some of these "fantastic new products" are rather pointless, and I fail to see any market large enough to recoup any costs of developing/launching such a product.

For instance - who needs or even WANTS to watch movies on their pocket PC? Great - I can see a highly compressed movie(3 Stooges? WTF?) full of artifacts(or is that the crappy LCD display) ANd you can seel it to me on an IBM Microdrive? Even better - 'cause I really wanna pay $400 for Ishtar(those meetings can be soooooo boring) How on earth do they think that this is going to be a money maker?

I'm convinced that more and more "tech" companies are fronts for money-laundering("Seriously - we thought the online Greeting Card industry was set to reach $300Bil. by 2003", "Everyone will want to listen to crappy tunes on their cell phone! AND they will pay dearly for it!")

DVD standards (2, Insightful)

stubob (204064) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836692)

In light of last week's statements by Philips that copy-protected cd's are not really cd's, I wonder if this cause the RIAA to begin pushing DVD music formats. We won't really mind region-encoded, can't-play-on-your-computer, enhanced-for-your-pleasure music DVDs (for $30 each), will we?

I just can't see the RIAA/MPAA sitting idly by as we start burning DVD's full of music rather than piddly CD's.

Any SACD news? (3, Interesting)

abischof (255) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836874)

For those not familiar with it, SACD is similar to (and competes with) DVD-Audio, as it uses much more storage space than an ordinary CD in order to garner higher quality (while still just a single disc).

By all accounts that I've read, SACD sounds significantly better than ordinary CDs [stereophile.com] , and better than DVD-Audio, even. So, I'm probably going to buy a combination DVD/SACD player within the next few months. Anyhow, has anyone heard any CES announcements on upcoming DVD/SACD players?

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