Beta
×

Welcome to the Slashdot Beta site -- learn more here. Use the link in the footer or click here to return to the Classic version of Slashdot.

Thank you!

Before you choose to head back to the Classic look of the site, we'd appreciate it if you share your thoughts on the Beta; your feedback is what drives our ongoing development.

Beta is different and we value you taking the time to try it out. Please take a look at the changes we've made in Beta and  learn more about it. Thanks for reading, and for making the site better!

Interview With iMac designer, Jonathan Ive

CmdrTaco posted more than 12 years ago | from the stuff-to-read dept.

Apple 556

rleyton writes "The Independent has an interesting interview with Jonathan Ive, the designer of the new imac (and the iBook, the iPod and original iMac...)" It's actually a pretty interesting even if you think the new iMac is repulsive. Personally I dig it.

cancel ×

556 comments

Sorry! There are no comments related to the filter you selected.

piss the imac (-1)

neal n bob (531011) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836461)

a pretty plastic piece of crap - like j0n kats strap-on.

Homosexuality alert! (-1)

Frank White (515786) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836597)

Whoever's post is directly below this one has been marked as a FLAMING HOMOSEXUAL! RUN BEFORE HE RAPES YOU!

Re:piss the imac (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836623)

Hi folks, I'm glad to see you're all still here.
I was lost since the new year's eve, and I just now came back and I am glad to see you're all still here. The new year's eve was I night I will remember. I spent it in New York, surrounded by photomodels and beautiful women, famous people, Robert DeNiro, Abbi Shamir and a bowl of cocaine, in the privee club found at the highest floor of the Entire Stait building. It was great. First I played a game of poker with Michael Jordan and won him $100K. Then we played basketball and I slam-dunked on his face 10 times in a row and them he quit and admitted my superiority. Then, Madonna sang in the private club and everybody demanded that I would take the microphone and sign along.
So I did. Madonna left the stage and I was singing alone and all the girls at the club were looking me in the eyes. After the applause and the wistles, the new year entered and everybody congratulated me and photomodels were dancing
all around me. Champagne was flowing that night and I had sex with Natalie Portman several times among the other girls I had sex with. I ate lobsters and then I was dancing again and everybody immitated the new style of dancing I had
just introduced. Many famous actors wanted to meet me and some photographers sneaked in to take pictures of me. By the end of the night, the boss of a major corporation offered me $10000K to play in a movie and we celebrated the deal with more champagne and many other fantastic things that happen in such parties all the time.

But now I am back to trolling.

J. Ives (-1)

TRoLLaXoR (181585) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836466)

I think I heard somewhere he was gay and he and Steve Jobs bust each other in the ass frequently.

Consider the new iMac looks like an inverted testicle: doesn't it make sense?

You see, the new iMac is so bad (-1)

TrollMan 5000 (454685) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836519)

That Mac fans like Mr. Trollaxor here hate it too.

Why don't they gauge public opinion on something before they do a widespread release?

Re:You see, the new iMac is so bad (-1)

TRoLLaXoR (181585) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836557)

Ah, I really am reserving judgement til I see it IRL. But AFA this story goes it *seemed* like a good comment to make.

Re:You see, the new iMac is so bad (0)

The_Messenger (110966) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836629)

Hi, TRoLLaXoR... FYI, the Apple Store in Tyson's Corner (in McLean, VA) says they'll be getting them in on or about January 21st. Frankly, I was surprised -- they used the Apple Ninjas** for the Quicksilvers, and I don't see faster Power Macs as being as important as the new iMac design. I drove down there (about a 30 minute drive) during my lunch hour on the 7th, expecting the iLamps to be in-store... imagine my surprise when they weren't. But if you live near an Apple Store, call on the 21st and check.

If there isn't an Apple Store near you... well, you'll just have to move. :-) I love the Apple Store -- if they installed an espresso machine, I might never leave. I think the employees are a bit scared of me...

** Cupertino operatives who sneak in during the middle of the night with new hardware displays on the before a big announcement (like a keynote speech). I believe they've been used three times previously at the Tyson's Corner store.

Re:You see, the new iMac is so bad (-1)

neal n bob (531011) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836677)

I was at Tyson's the day that store opened - talk about a glimpse of hell. At first I thought that Richard Simmons was appearing due to all the fat people; then I thought maybe it is a big Magic: The gathering tournament. Finally I concluded that there was some kind of children's activity and these were pedophiles trying to take advantage. As I moved forward to look for a policeman to voice my concerns to I looked and saw the store.

Re:You see, the new iMac is so bad (-1)

The Turd Report (527733) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836701)

Holy shit! You live in Va too? I am in Herndon.

LINUX??? (-1, Troll)

Mighty-Troll (549627) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836656)

i have linux instaled on my interenet. how do i put it on my imac??

microsoft is so evile, man, you guys are losers if youd dont put linuxe on this man woohoo!

J.Ives (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836524)

You are right [images.org.lu] ! I guess, that's the bottom of an iMac that we see here. But, wow, where is the screen?

Re:J. Ives (-1)

Al Gore (152558) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836553)

Wow... you must have really cool testicles!

Good read (3, Interesting)

MaxVlast (103795) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836473)

Ive is a neat guy -- his work is pretty darned innovative -- more, I think, than people give Apple credit for. There are a lot of breakthrough aspects of most of their recent products.

Even if you don't like the stuff, it isn't the same derivative crap that has flooded the rest of the market.

Re:Good read (-1)

neal n bob (531011) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836491)

This is a poor imitation of a fine crapflood. Your message should say:

imac, overpriced toy, dead at 3

I just heard some sad news on talk radio - the imac was found dead in his California this morning. There weren't any more details than that - maybe at the next hourly update. A very sad day indeed .... even if you didn't enjoy the pretty colors, you can't deny its contributions to american culture. Truly an icon.

Re:Good read (1)

MaxVlast (103795) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836507)

Do you have this speech on tape? I think I heard it in 1998 (six million iMacs ago.) And about every product unveiling since 1984.

Come back when your company can consistently get millions of people excited over a computer. Look -- even you're excited. Just because you don't like it/Apple, doesn't mean that your fuss isn't what Steve wants. You've been had.

Missing question: (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836476)

Why didn't you call it the iStalk?

Re:Missing question: (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836556)

wtf? That was hilarious! Mod parent up, ya bunch of wankahs!

new iMAC (3, Interesting)

grovertime (237798) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836478)

that's cool. i really like the design of the new iMac and think most folks complaining about it will be using a clone of it in 6 months. my question is why won't iMac treat audio with a little more repsect, and only service the visual (why didn't anyone ask the designer about that)? i'd like to see an iMac system that didn't require the user to buy external speakers just to hear anything remotely close to reaching the low end sounds we've come to love in our hip-hop, funk and satanic bible thumper rally music.

Re:new iMAC (3, Interesting)

nomadic (141991) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836487)

most folks complaining about it will be using a clone of it in 6 months.

Actually, most folks complaining about it will stick with their ugly beige monstrosities. I'm fairly certain most people blasting its appearance are just rabidly anti-mac.

Re:new iMAC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836510)

what's with the rabid anti-mac sentiment anyway? i understand hating dell or those who profit off linux but i've never understood the constant battering mac gets within the "cool" computing community.

Re:new iMAC (0, Flamebait)

MrFredBloggs (529276) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836574)

I dont really know what my pc looks like, as its out of the way. Sometimes i need to stick a cd in it, or (rarely) a floppy, but even then i dont really look at it.
And if i were bothered, i`d spray it black. But i`m not.

And i don`t think i`ll be using a Mac clone in 6 months. I couldnt tell you whether Apple users will be using PC clones in the next year or so however, but its a more likely scenario.

Re:new iMAC (3, Interesting)

grovertime (237798) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836650)

You say that and yet ignore how many iMac clones made by PC manufacturers have flooded the market since its arrival. It's easy to say that you don't look at your tv, you just watch the programming; you don't look at your lamp, you just bask in the light...but the bottom line is that design is often content unto itself. The look of things have an impact on you. Mac's biggest problem in wooing these PC soldiers isn't that they are not putting out better product - they are. It is that they are now running Windows. I don't understand why they don't just make Virtual PC a part of their base software configuration and go out into the world as a perfect Mac/PC hybrid, so as to lessen the xenophobia from current PC users.

Re:new iMAC (1, Redundant)

grovertime (237798) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836668)

vpc saved me life.

and so did the devil.

  • praise be unto both.

Re:new iMAC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836676)

how many iMac clones made by PC manufacturers have flooded the market since its arrival

I can think of one - the eMachine. They had that fruity looking case thing going but even they switched back to the regular design. I know very few PC users who even think about their computer case for a second. It usually is tucked away under a desk somewhere and forgotten.

Re:new iMAC (2, Informative)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836694)

they switched back because Apple filed injunctions againse OEMs...there was very little marketing pressure in the decision.

Re:new iMAC (5, Insightful)

medcalf (68293) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836682)

Virtual PC is a fantastic program. Adding it to the base config will mean:

1) Macs would become more expensive, by the cost of VPC+Win??? - and which version of Windows should they include?
2) every user who chooses Apple to avoid paying MS money would be unable to do so

All in all, this would shrink, not expand, their market share.

Re:new iMAC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836683)

That is a pretty astute call, and one I've been making for some time. Virtual PC runs an effortless Windows OS on a Macintosh and would effectively bridge the gap for those PC users intimidated by starting up with a Macintosh.

Re:new iMAC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836495)

Don't you know? Designers can't hear anything but themselves!

Re:new iMAC (5, Insightful)

JPRelph (519032) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836515)

Because building decent speakers into a small design is pretty impossible. It comes with one speaker built into the housing, and the middle and high end models come with some reasonable sounding separate Harmon Kardon speakers. The fact is that most people will be quite happy with the sound that comes as standard, and the people that aren't happy with it are likely to have a decent stereo system to plug the iMac into anyway. You can't satisfy the budget conscious and the audiophile at once, so you might as well deal with the budget conscious and let those who want the best sound set up their own stuff, which they'll no doubt be much happier with.

Re:new iMAC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836581)

You can't satisfy the budget conscious

Since when does the mac satisfy the budget concious? $1299 for the 700 mhz with 128MB Ram and no airport. For that price they could get a Dell with 1.6 Ghz, 256 MB Ram and still get the Flat-Panel monitor.

Re:new iMAC (1)

JPRelph (519032) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836659)

When you're talking about putting decent stereo equipment into a computer though, if you want to add a good sound system its going to add $100 to the price, and even then its not going to satisfy a lot of people. As far as the price goes, the high end iMac has to be one of the easiest to use and cheapest DVD creation platforms around.

Re:new iMAC (2)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836672)

Please stop the damn MHz comparisons....it is a well established fact that you can not compare MHz to MHz on 2 proccessors that have a diffrent archetecture....hell, it isn't even right to do the same on proccessors on the same (intel/AMD) arch.
1299 is a very reasonable price for a well designed, higher quality computer like an apple.....and the fact that the price of 128MB or ram is realy cheep...I will spend the 32 dollors and go get some more.

oh yeah, care to Itemize that set up? since you did not include any information about the Drives and other such aspects.

Re:new iMAC (4, Informative)

Chester Abecrombe (549881) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836539)

I think the emphasis in the new iMac was on style and size. The designers were trying to make it as compact as reasonably possible. A decent subwoofer requires a fairly large speaker and some sort of enclosure to maximize airflow. This does not coincide with Apple's philosophy of keeping the iMac small.

Personally, I think the decision to leave out the sub was a good one. A subwoofer can be placed under a desk or in another inconspicuous place, and Apple took that into account when designing the iMac. An integrated subwoofer would signifigantly increase the footprint of the iMac and take up valuable desk space.

Plus, not all users are avid music listeners. The speakers that come with the iMac can adequately handle the dings and whistles from normal PC use. Not all users need a subwoofer in the first place, and including one would add to the cost of the unit.

your headphones suck! (-1)

ArchieBunker (132337) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836610)

The reason why you need that super mega bass boost to get music sounding good is from the $2 headphones you buy. Throw them out right now and get a pair of Grado SR-60's for $70. You'll be suprised how realistic things sound. Try www.gradolabs.com.

What do you think of Vincent Jeunejean? (2, Flamebait)

Chairboy (88841) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836485)

What was your reaction when you first heard about the Wired article [wired.com] where a Belgian designer suggests Apple copied him becase he had sketches that match the new iMac online last year? His sketches are interesting because they appear to have port locations and stuff down as well.

I know that the lead times of a project like this preclude apple from actually using his design, but when you saw the article, what was your reaction?

Didja think it had been leaked?

Re:What do you think of Vincent Jeunejean? (2, Informative)

imac.usr (58845) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836514)

Well, 1) this isn't an actual Slashdot interview, it's just an article linked to that's on another site...

and 2), Vincent hasn't got a leg to stand on [apple.com] , I'm afraid.

Re:What do you think of Vincent Jeunejean? (1)

jdc180 (125863) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836640)

Vincent doesn't have a leg to stand on because Apple "says" none of it's employees ever accept unsolicited ideas? This guy submitted his sketch to an independant website, and I'll bet someone from Apple on the development team saw it, and ran with it.

If it quacks like a duck....

Re:What do you think of Vincent Jeunejean? (1)

k_187 (61692) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836665)

Yes, but he admited to sending it to Steve Jobs (sjobs@apple.com I believe). That makes it fall under Apple's Unsolicited clause.

Re:What do you think of Vincent Jeunejean? (1)

joshsisk (161347) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836686)

I don't think apple could have engineered this thing from scratch in the time since that guy's sketches were posted online.

Most likely, it's a coincidence. The article says that there are hundreds of designs for fantasy Macs on that website, one had to "hit" eventually.

Re:What do you think of Vincent Jeunejean? (1)

magikweis (123136) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836619)

no, I thought, actually this iMac design is so damn obvious. Many people must have had a similar idea before. Great designs often are based on a very simple idea, the one which is - after you see the result - the most obvious solution to a problem.

I like Ives (or Jobs) idea of "Each (piece) should be true to itself".

Re:What do you think of coincidences? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836688)

The iMac's been under development for 2 years. This guy posted his pictures only 6 months ago. Six months is not enough time to develop a new computer, at least at Apple's usual pace.

Why do moderators mod down comments that are about (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836486)

...an iMac, when posted to a story about iMacs? How much more on topic [images.org.lu] can you get?

Kudos on keeping it secret! (4, Insightful)

Nijika (525558) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836493)

This may have been the best trick of all. Forget the round motherboard or the pivoting head. This guy and his team kept the whole thing under pretty tight lip for almost two years!

Re:Kudos on keeping it secret! (1)

k_187 (61692) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836633)

A lot of that depends on how you define tight lip. The Apple rumor sites (of which there are plenty) had been speculating about an LCD iMac since the Colored ones came out (the fruity ones). So the LCD iMac is nothing new, the design is, but a cheap Mac with an integrated LCD called the iMac isn't.

the site sucks (-1, Offtopic)

Niksie3 (222515) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836498)

I'm having trouble seeing it with onmiweb, a browser for MacosX... I think slashdot shouldn't link to sites that use non-standard HTML

Itroducing iLamp (3, Funny)

tenzig_112 (213387) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836501)


SAN FRANSISCO, CALIFORNIA- Instead of stuffing old iMac guts in a new candy-colored shell, Apple has stuffed their old iMac guts into a candy-shaped shell, specifically a Hershey's Kiss.

Optional iShade will be available in Q2 2002.

Itroducing iLamp:
http://www.ridiculopathy.com/news_detail.php?dis pl ay=20020108

slurp, slurp, slurp! (-1)

The Turd Report (527733) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836504)

Can't you stop sucking Apple's collective cock, Taco? Does Jobs pay by the article or is it a flat fee?

Re:slurp, slurp, slurp! (-1)

neal n bob (531011) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836525)

TTR - do you know of any good Tex-Mex places near Falls Church or Tyson's Corner?

Re:slurp, slurp, slurp! (-1)

Al Gore (152558) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836576)

If you don't mind driving a half-hour or so, try George's Texas Grill at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Just be warned, if he gets drunk enough he'll force you to go down on his daughter while he sings Merle Haggard songs and squaredances!

Re:slurp, slurp, slurp! (-1)

The Turd Report (527733) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836600)

There is an awesome place in Herndon: The Tortilla Factory. It is a small family owned place. The food rocks. Or, try Anita's, they are a small regional place. They have several locations. There is a burrito place up the raod from my place, but I can't think of the mane of it. Let me know if you goto one of those places and I might meet you there.

Re:slurp, slurp, slurp! (-1, Offtopic)

The_Messenger (110966) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836667)

Nice to see some other DC-area people in the hiz-ouse. Turdy, if you like Chinese, be sure to try Hunan Manor on New Hampshire Avenue in Silver Spring. I recommend the kung pao chicken -- it'll make for a great turd report the next day. :-)

"The back of this thing... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836505)

...looks better than the front of other guys' systems".

He doesn't know how right he is [images.org.lu]

Plagiarism or coincidence ? (0, Redundant)

mirko (198274) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836509)

According to Wired [wired.com] , a belgian developer claims he had imagined and put on line a similar design for new iMacs some months ago.
This developer would like to know whether the new iMac is actually (deeply) inspired from his works or just a coincidence.
His query is interesting as he doesn't want to sue Apple (not his kind of sport, actually) but just to know more...

Re:Plagiarism or coincidence ? (2)

toupsie (88295) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836544)

I doubt that Apple stole from this person as he released the drawings last summer, Apple has been working on the design of the new iMac for 2 years. Just two minds thinking a like. It happens from time to time.

Re: your sig (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836571)

Sex and linux geeks are mutually exclusive.

like most things in life... (1)

simpl3x (238301) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836583)

actually doing things is very different than thinking about it. like "ginger", though a patent on the idea was initiated, actually creating the balancing technology is quite a bit different than saying that it will be possible in the future. the japanese engineer is actually very rational about it. nice change of pace.

M.O.C. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836671)

Troll ?

Not just pretty on the outside... (5, Insightful)

toupsie (88295) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836513)

Granted, the new iMac is beautiful on the surface. But that great design is not limited to the outer shell. Check out what the iMac looks like on the inside [mac.com] . This Apple draft service manual has great pictures of the guts of the iMac.

Re:Not just pretty on the outside... (5, Informative)

gorillasoft (463718) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836595)

Did anyone else notice that if you open up the bottom of the unit for service, you have to reapply thermal paste to prevent excess heat from damaging components? That is the first case I have ever seen where opening it requires adding more thermal paste.

Granted, it doesn't require more paste if you only open the hatch to the RAM and wireless card, but it does if you actually open the case itself.

See page 12 in the manual:

Replacement Note: Whenever the bottom housing is opened for service, you must clean
and reapply thermal paste to the surfaces joining the thermal interface layer. Failure to
reapply this paste could cause the computer to overheat and possibly damage the internal
components. Refer to the next topic, "Thermal Paste Application" for detailed information.

More heat-related info (1)

gorillasoft (463718) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836632)

From page 15:
Important: Whenever the logic board is removed, you must install new thermal pads to
three surfaces (as shown above). Failure to apply these pads could cause the computer to
overheat and possibly damage the internal components. Continue with the procedure
below.


Looks like if you do any major snooping inside the case, you will run into quite a few heat-related items to replace before putting your system back together.

While this looks like a pain for people doing anything more than RAM/wireless additions, it does point to some neat heat dissipation techniques in the new iMac - and most users won't ever run into this anyway.

Re:Not just pretty on the outside... (1)

joshsisk (161347) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836700)

I think they figure that 99% of users will never open the case. That's why they have the "upgrade" port on the underside.

This is less a PC and more a consumer electronics item... a trend I see continuing.

tar.gz man, not bloody machexhqx waddyacalllits (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836681)

Gawd, now gotta find a program that deals in these pointless file formats...

New iMac Service Manual on MacSlash (1)

Ignominious Cow Herd (540061) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836516)

Hey, thought I'd let you all know that MacSlash has as story where someone found the Draft iMac Service Manual (PDF) and has posted it. Looks really interesting, especially the Thermal Paste issues and the Faraday Cage. Lots if Pictures for the textually impaired.

Go read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance (5, Insightful)

etceteral (113669) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836527)


This interview touches on a few concepts that I think today's geeks (and many of yesterday's geeks too) are no longer in touch with.

Quality. Art. The "soul" of a machine.

There is something to be said for the amount of sheer human effort put in to designing a product like this. A Quality product shines in it's attention to human-machine interaction, but is a result of "inner beauty". For those of you who haven't programmed using Cocoa or haven't messed around much with OS X or actually seen and used a recent iMac in person, there's no substitute for the tangible results of Apple's years of dedication.

When I use Mac OS X, I can *feel* that somewhere in Cupertino there's an English major who was losing sleep at nights trying to make the text in the dialog boxes as clear and understandable as possible. When was the last time you felt that way about the latest d/l off of sourceforge?

The subject/object duality is something that premeates the "geek world" - I beg of the programmers and techs out there try to move beyond it. Apple's certainly tried to.

(I'd post more, but I haven't had my coffee yet... )

Re:Go read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenan (-1)

neal n bob (531011) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836559)

When I use Mac OS X, I can *feel* that somewhere in Cupertino there's an English major who was losing sleep at nights trying to make the text in the dialog boxes as clear and understandable as possible. When was the last time you felt that way about the latest d/l off of sourceforge?

What you feel is a slight pressure on your prostate - you need to tell Taco not too push your stool in so far - you could get an infection.

There are plenty of sourceforge guys who would love to "open your source" if you give them a belt, a jar of peanut butter, and a few hours.

Apple employing all the damn lazy english majors who have no job skills must explain why their prices are so high.

Re:Go read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenan (1)

chairmanKAGA (515972) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836586)

You are correct and I agree. The problem with many of our geek types is they have no concept of art. It is all function and never form. How many geeks have taken art classes or can talk about art history? Hardly any at my school. How many even have an appreciation? I don't know how many more bad user intrfaces I can deal with from these people. Form and function are one.
I just thin it is important to reconize quality, art and substance.

Re:Go read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenan (2)

Glytch (4881) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836603)

Yes, but when the form comes at the expense of function, function takes precedence. At least, that's my own philosophy. I don't pretend to speak for everyone.

Re:Go read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenan (4, Funny)

Accipiter (8228) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836589)

When I use Mac OS X, I can *feel* that somewhere in Cupertino there's an English major who was losing sleep at nights trying to make the text in the dialog boxes as clear and understandable as possible. When was the last time you felt that way about the latest d/l off of sourceforge?

...or Slashdot for that matter.

Computers don't have souls. I like mine fast. (1)

Wakko Warner (324) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836662)

When all's said and done, it's just a machine, designed to perform certain tasks efficiently. Now, perhaps Apple has user-interface design down a little better than Microsoft or anyone in the Linux/UNIX community, but, at the end of the day, if I've gotten all my work done, I couldn't care less what the machine I'm doing the work on looks like. Personally, I find OS X slow and too full of eye-candy. I find Windows XP to be the same way. Hopefully, this isn't the start of a trend.

If I want something nice to look at, I'll get a painting or an office with a window. Computers are tools.

Re:Go read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenan (2, Offtopic)

Mignon (34109) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836663)

When was the last time you felt that way about the latest d/l off of sourceforge?

You get what you pay for.

Does a nice job.... (4, Insightful)

CDWert (450988) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836529)

As posted above even if you dont like his stuff, its different, there are some things I do and dont like, But he seems to be one of the few designers that takes any amount of function into account.

Personally I dont like the new Imac, BUT that really dosent mean SQUAT since Im not a prospective customer. Ill stick with the UltraSparcs.

What matters is Mac people do, and they liked the original, and the I book, I have used both and I can say I came closer than EVER to buying a Apple for the Wife, Part of that was the integrated packaging, part of it "ease of use" etc.

If they almost had me hooked after my last Apple experience (I bought a Lisa when they were new :()
Im sure they wont have a problem hooking people in.

Does it remind anyone else of their home-ec project gone awary , a slunk of dough , then sticking a pencil in it with a sign, (insert team name here) RULE ! ??? No wonder I failed HomeEc....

20 pounds? (2, Interesting)

foyle (467523) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836533)

The article says the new iMac weighs 20 pounds. That seems rather heavy to me.

Has anyone picked one up yet? Does it actually weigh that much?

Re:20 pounds? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836554)

22 pounds. The old ones weighed between 35 and 38, though, so it's a huge difference. Even the Cube weighed 14 pounds.

Balance (1)

JPRelph (519032) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836605)

Apart from it not being too heavy, they need that much weight in the bottom to keep the machine nice and stable so that it doesn't go flying if the screen is knocked.

Re:20 pounds? (1)

k_187 (61692) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836653)

Probably, the original iMacs weighed over 40 pounds. Of course that was mostly due to the CRT. I'm not sure what the componets weigh, as my school never let me close enough to one with a screwdriver.

Re:20 pounds? (1)

word munger (550251) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836664)

No, it's not too heavy. This isn't a portable. And remember, that includes the power supply, which was a separate component in the cube. Geez, a 15-inch CRT weighs more than 20 pounds!

It's actually about the same weight as my backpack, loaded down with my TiBook, visorphone, notepad, and a couple of books.

Like Macs or not, this is a great quote: (5, Insightful)

Uttles (324447) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836535)

"The thing is, it's very easy to be different, but very difficult to be better. That's what we have tried to do with the new iMac."

Personally, I like the new iMac. Not enough to abandon my 6 month old PC and switch back to Macs, but I think it's a pretty cool computer. No matter what your opinion of Macintosh or their employees is, you have to like what the designer said. So many times in this industry (think about all Microsoft products) people forget that it's easy to make new and different things, the hard part is making reliable, efficient products that truly are "better." I say score one for Macintosh with this new computer, and even if it doesn't sell like hotcakes, they are in good shape if they all think like this guy does.

Oooh, its transparent!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836558)

Hmm..its a bit expensive though. Oh, and none of your software will work on it.
Next.

Re:Oooh, its transparent!! (-1, Offtopic)

TheRhino (87111) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836609)

Doofus.

Alternative name (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836563)

They could have called it iCon.

It cuts both ways. (design) Icon/I con.

The Computer for your Parents? (5, Insightful)

Hollinger (16202) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836578)

Say what you may about the new machine, but I've already purchased one for my parents. It's the logical next step, since my father's got an obscenely expensive AV center, and a nice Sony DV camcorder, all of which he set up himself, yet refuses to check his own e-mail because of some ingrained fear of computers being as hard to use as they were 10 years ago. I'm betting this machine will change that for him.

Re:The Computer for your Parents? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836642)

Nice Story. I gave my father Windows XP and he hasn't used a computer in probably more than 10 years. He loves it. Can't get him off of it. The best part is that he goes to the store and just buys software. He doesn't even have to think about whether it will work with his computer or not. I just tell him to stay away from that little section of the store (usually in the back) with the fruity colors.

Apple Is Taking the First Big Step... (5, Interesting)

Catiline (186878) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836585)

...toward having computers that you don't notice anymore. I would love to have a computer that wasn't subject any manifestation of 'beige box syndrome'. Unforunately, what I think of as beige box syndrome includes connecting cables from mouse (keyboard, monitor, scanner, network hub, etc) to computer, not just visual astetics. One look behind my desk at home (or the office) shows just what I worry about. Sure, you can bundle the cables together, but even then they make an auful mess.

My dream computer is one that stands out while I activly interact with it, but when I'm not using it seamlessly blends right into the background. Kindof the way the computer works on Star Trek. While we're still years away from having this concept being actively sold to the consumer (though all the pieces seem to be falling into place), in the past few years I have considered Macs ever more seriously when thinking about new computers (and know that now, with WinXP, if&when I succumb to the lure of a laptop, it will be an iBook- unless Linux has become the dominant x86 OS in the interim).

Re:Apple Is Taking the First Big Step... (2, Interesting)

rajohn (73702) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836624)

I totally agree. Computers should be a totally natural extension of our environment, a la Capt. Picard saying "Computer", as he walks along the corridor. The closest I've seen is the POS/watron systems in use in the Applebees rest. chain. Any other examples?

Alan

Spelling (3, Redundant)

gorilla (36491) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836588)

Shouldn't it be spelt iVe?

The new iMac needs a subtitle... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836592)

"Hooray for Boobies!" or something

Taco likes it? (-1, Offtopic)

jd10131 (46301) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836594)

Wow, Taco said he likes an Apple product...and there wasn't even any whining about mouse buttons!

Why am I never in a target market? (2, Insightful)

st0rmshad0w (412661) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836616)

Admittedly it is a cool design, but I can't help feeling once again, that NO ONE is out there designing anything targeted at me and I'm left to hunt for obscure parts vendors and try to cobble together something that appeals to me.

Personally I'd just like some more variety in the choices available to me, especially if that means machines that fit in seamlessly with my existing home electronics.

Beat off in front of your new iWhack (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836625)

When are they going to offer new custom colored lamp-shades for their computer?

with all the new iMac hub-bub (1, Insightful)

Richthofen80 (412488) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836631)

i still can't believe no one's addressed the really important part: What is the LCD drops a pixel or two? You're stuck with a proprietary solution that's loaded with all this great hardware, and you have to either hook up an external monitor, which would ruin the reason you got this thing in the first place, or get an authorized Mac replacement, which would probably be 3/4 of the original price. Apple better have a five year warranty on these things... if the neck breaks, if the monitor dies, if x fails... then forget it. the beautiful thing about PCs is everytime i built a new one, i used about half the hardware from the old one. PC replacement hardware is cheap and easy to install. I can't say the same for Macs

I work selling TVs at sears, and the number one reason people don't buy tv-vcr combo units, or tv-dvd combos, is because their afraid the internal unit will break, thus rendering it useless.

Re:with all the new iMac hub-bub (3, Insightful)

toupsie (88295) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836702)

i still can't believe no one's addressed the really important part: What is the LCD drops a pixel or two?

Ever hear of a warranty? Apple has years of experience of selling and repairing LCD screens. They have the best in the market. Just take a gander at the Cinema Display [apple.com] .

Also by your argument regarding tv/dvd combos then no one would buy a notebook computer. Think of the new iMac as a non-mobile notebook computer.

Lump, Stick, Rectangle. and awesome. (5, Interesting)

certron (57841) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836637)

OK, so I borrowed the 'Lump - Stick - Rectangle' from somewhere else. :-)
I don't understand how people can be so critical of this. It is truly innovative, with a 700-800MHz G4 packed into the small package (as well as 128MB of RAM and a GeForce2 card.) The only things I don't like are the price, and the screen size. Still, it's a marvelous piece of engineering and design. If you need something else to like about it, take a gander at all the ports in the back. Definitely impressive.

Don't like it? don't buy it. But at least acknowledge the craftsmanship and vision.

(No, I am not affected by the reality distortion field... otherwise I would have put down the money and bought one, and not seen any shortcomings. :-)

What I'd ask (4, Insightful)

jchristopher (198929) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836645)

I'd love to ask Jonathan why they've chosen to use a proprietary dongle connector for VGA-out on both the iBook and the new iMac.

Frankly, this is the dumbest design decision ever. If you're trying to make a "simple" computer, why use a dongle that consumers will most certainly forget or lose? What could be more simple than the same connector used on 99% of the world's personal computers?

This is extra stupid, since there is plenty of space to put a standard VGA-out connector on both systems. Additionally, making a custom port and dongle adds to the cost of an already expensive computer.

I'm all for design improvements, but there is no point being proprietary just for the sake of being different.

[OT] That guy that had the sketches... (4, Interesting)

bbum (28021) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836646)

Re: the guy that had the sketches of a similar iMac last summer.

If he even remotely claims Apple 'stole' his ideas, he should be laughed off the face of the planet.

Consider the incredible number of conceptual drawings and sketches about possible new iMac designs that have made the rounds in the last two years. Combine that with the fact that every computer needs a spot for ports, a display, and something to contain the cpu/drives/ram/etc. Now, combine that with the industrial design directions Apple set by announcing the death of the CRT [last may @ WWDC, I believe] and the icebook/tibook look and feel.

All told, it is no surprise that *one* of the myriad concept sketches that appeared on the net look similar! As innovative as Apple is, they have yet to be able to entirely break the bonds of reality (i.e. say, a completely detached floating display).

As well, the guy *sent* his concept sketches to Apple-- including to Steve Jobs. Apple's policy on such matters is quite clear; anything submitted becomes the property of Apple and they can do whatever they bloody well please with it-- including giving it to a competitor, if they saw fit to do so.

Stephen King, author, dead at 55 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2836649)


I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

iMac News Parody (3, Funny)

franksbiyatch (227234) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836651)

Submitted for your approval, an Onion-like story on the subject:
Honey I Melted The iMac [ridiculopathy.com]

The picture of the iMac with a lamp shade on it is worth the click.

The Lump (2, Redundant)

bill.sheehan (93856) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836652)

I like Macs. I really do. I'm particularly partial to the all-in-one models. I've got an SE and an SE/30, and I bought the original Bondi Blue iMac the day they went on sale. So when I heard about this new iMac, I was excited. The pictures were tantalizing, but the thing that really thrilled me were the specs. There's an awful lot under the hood! Last Friday, I visited my local Apple Store to see this baby for myself. A small scheming portion of my mind was already wondering if Uncle Sam's Tax Return might defray the costs of a new computer. And then I saw it. I was deeply disappointed. It's ugly. It's clunky. The picture made it look light and airy, but in person it looked like a heavy white lump with an oversized nickel-plated pipe connecting a flat panel in a big lucite frame. (What is it with Apple and white plastic, anyway? Does Ives live in a house without dust and grubby-fingered kids?) There's no accounting for taste, and I may be an uncircumcised philistine with aesthetic sense, but I've never had such a negative reaction to a computer before. Maybe the next one... "Botticelli ain't a wine, you dolt! It's a cheese!"

Jobs... (4, Funny)

st0rmshad0w (412661) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836673)

Somehow Jobs' remarks always seem to jumpstart my brain, if nothing else. Of the first iMac he said "It looks like it's from another planet". And oddly enough my first reaction to the new iMac after reading the article was "Hey, its a skutter holding an LCD!". That makes alot more sense if you've ever seen Red Dwarf.

drives slower when vertical? (1)

teridon (139550) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836698)

But hard discs, CD-ROMs and DVD-ROMs run slower when vertical than when horizontal.

Is this true? If so, why?

Niceee... (1)

halftrack (454203) | more than 12 years ago | (#2836699)

I must admit, apple knows computer design, but that's about how far I'd go. I'll newer buy an out-of-the-box-computer (specially not a proprietary like the iMac) and I'll therefor miss out on some neet out-of-the-box-cabinets and that's a shame. I won't claime to care about design that much, I'm really pretty ignorant, but the iMac looks cool. Why can't companies like AOpen start making some smart-solution, smart-looking cabinets?
Load More Comments
Slashdot Login

Need an Account?

Forgot your password?