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Linux 2.5.2 Kernel Released

Hemos posted more than 12 years ago | from the go-and-compile dept.

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valdis writes "Amazing.. it's been out over 3 hours and not discussed to death. Well, maybe there's not as many bleeding-edge crazies out there. But if there are, here's what's new. You can get it at the usual place, but please use the mirrors if you can."

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.NET (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2841317)

I thought they were going to add .NET extensions to this release.

Re:.NET (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2841329)

Once again the mere mention of a Microsoft product gets modded down without a second thought. For shame.

Re:.NET (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2841557)

...and again! Watch this: "Microsoft".

Bet this is -1 before I hit reload.

Hey, they're not THAT innovative (-1, Flamebait)

ringbarer (545020) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841346)

They'll come up with something that on the surface LOOKS like .NET, but is actually a poorly functioning facsimile underneath.

Without any documentation. Where is Linux's equivalent of MSDN, eh? NOWHERE. The best you get is the source code, which has comments written by the twelve year olds that think they know how to write an operating system:

#include coderippedofffrombsd.h
struct p_tuxgraphic(void);
/*
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK PISS FUCK
I'VE DONE A WEE POO BAB
I'M SO 31337!!!!!!11
*/
call_shittyclock();

Re:Hey, they're not THAT innovative (-1)

negativekarmanow tm (518080) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841589)

some random things I found in the kernel code:

** this whole system sucks. (bitmap.c)
* For now, we write the full page out each time. It sucks, but it's simple (file.c)
It sucks, but it _should_ work. (intrep.c)
printk("fucked dentry: %p\n", dentry); (intrep.c)
/* Ugly, ugly fucker. */ (ipt_limit.h)
/* If you fuck with this, update ret_from_syscall code too. */ (system.h)

And the list goes on and on

Re:.NET (-1, Offtopic)

lurwas (518856) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841376)

I've never seen anyone get a score of -1 before. Gratz!

Re:.NET (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2841400)

Perhaps you're fucking blind then, probably a few hundred "-1" ratings in the active discussions.

Re:.NET (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2841434)

careful in his previous post this guy said he was in the game industry, if you don't watch it he'll frag the shit out of you.

Re:.NET (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2841444)

Funny, I didn't know that rewriting "pong" in visual basic was considered in the gaming industry.

Re:.NET (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2841409)

Ha and now your comment is -1 how ironic, welcome to the world of negative karma.

Cool (1)

Ectropy (546881) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841320)

Well, 2.5 is coming along, lets help them out and test it.

Re:Cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2841515)

i just tried running it and it bluescreened me already

(last post)

Bah (2, Funny)

MjDascombe (549226) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841330)

No 2.6.x yet? :p (only kidding - well done everyone)

odd numbers = unstable? (0)

ryanh50 (534202) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841339)

Please forbgive my linux newbiness but i though odd numbered kernals were only experimental or unstable? If this is the case is it still usable under mission critical apps such as web servers etc?

Re:odd numbers = unstable? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2841354)

Of course it's usable in mission-critical settings, why wouldn't it be? We use 2.5.1 here at the University to run our mailserver, webservers (with Apache 2.0.28), and most IT employee workstations.

Consider yourself forbgiven. :)

Re:odd numbers = unstable? (1)

Electrum (94638) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841374)

Please forbgive my linux newbiness but i though odd numbered kernals were only experimental or unstable? If this is the case is it still usable under mission critical apps such as web servers etc?

By your posting history, you appear to be a troll, but you are indeed correct. The 2.5 series is certainly not for anything that needs stability. For servers, use 2.4 or 2.2 (or perhaps FreeBSD :) Personally, I wouldn't trust 2.4 yet on a server. I've been using it for the past year on several machines, and on one of my desktops, it has weird problems. I haven't had a chance to try 2.4.17 yet, so hopefully it's fixed. Or maybe that machine is just unlucky...

Re:odd numbers = unstable? (1)

-brazil- (111867) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841547)

Personally, I got lucky with 2.4.17 (or rather, sometimes after 2.4.13), it can finally handle my USB MO drive without the process freezing. That was my only probelm with the earlier 2.4 kernels.

Re:odd numbers = unstable? (0)

MjDascombe (549226) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841405)

Odd numbers are development kernels for new features. I would stick to high revision even number kernels for mission critical stuff, such as 2.0.4x and 2.2.2x. Mj

Re:odd numbers = unstable? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2841484)

I would stick to high revision even number kernels for mission critical stuff, such as 2.0.4x and 2.2.2x. Mj

... and 2.4.7x

Re:Bah (0, Redundant)

Libor Vanek (248963) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841356)

Hmmm, that's quite old - isn't it? I've Linux 7.2 ;-)

(kidding too ;-)

Re:Bah (2, Funny)

Gehenna_Gehenna (207096) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841382)

Boy, are you behind. I've got Linux 8.1.

(also kidding)

Re:Bah (5, Funny)

MjDascombe (549226) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841415)

Who's modding this thread? Why is everyone a troll for having a laugh? Anyway, everyone knows the fastest way to upgrade linux is to alter the version verision number in the source.

Re:Bah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2841505)

No. Fastest way to upgrade Linux is to install Windows 2000 over the top of it. (kidding also :)

Re:Bah (0, Insightful)

rm-r (115254) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841651)

Why is everyone a troll for having a laugh?

Because VA Linux owns Slashdot? Obviously the prescribed view is that Linux is serious

Re:Bah (-1, Offtopic)

blkros (304521) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841486)

Why is every post on this thread modded to troll or flamebait--jeesus can't anyone have any fun on /. anymore? Must be newbie moderators.

...And, yes, this is a troll.

time to kill myself (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2841341)

i want to die

USB (5, Interesting)

ciryon (218518) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841347)

USB update (including initial 2.0 support)

Sounds rather interesting. I've had some issues with my Rio 800 MP3 player with many 2.4 kernels, perhaps it's more stable now? Also great that the kernel guys are working on 2.0 support.

Ciryon

So... (4, Funny)

dbolger (161340) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841349)

...who's up for setting up a tent outside RedHat HQ and waiting for the first 2.5.3 release? ;)

Re:So... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2841533)

up with skirts!

down with pants!

LINUX (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2841350)

I love LINUX. I hate MICROSOFT. I wish people would stop using MICROSOFT and start using LINUX.

Re:LINUX (-1)

negativekarmanow tm (518080) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841375)

how do i read those strange .tar.gz files? Should I use winzip?

Re:LINUX (0, Offtopic)

nzhavok (254960) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841391)

Yes you can use winzip to read tar.gz files actually.

But you'll be better off... (-1)

ringbarer (545020) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841450)

... repeatedly mashing your head against the keyboard. You'll produce better code than the contents of the typical tar.gz atrocity that you find on Sourceforge.

Mirrors (5, Informative)

Rentar (168939) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841351)

Apart from the entire 'slashdot is not freshmeat'-discussion I'd like to note, that maybe slashdot should not mention the URL to the kernel archive, but only the URL for the mirrors-list. I'm sure everyone able to compile and use a 2.5.x kernel is able to find the correct download directory, should he be confronted with a mirror list.

Re:Mirrors (1)

josh crawley (537561) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841412)

...And look at the bright side if users can't figure mirror lists out. It's a slashdot effect 'Narrowly averted'.

Josh Crawley

Re:Mirrors (1)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841452)

Whaaaaattttt.......don't you think that Trasmeta WANTS their Servers to go down and their Bandwidth bill to sky Rocket? :-)

Re:Mirrors (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2841525)

--Being moded as Overrated just means the moderator is Jealous of your intelligent statment.



Why do I get the feeling that you only know this from having mod points? Once.

Re:Mirrors (2, Interesting)

Ami Ganguli (921) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841469)

Hmm. Considering their bandwith utilization right now is only 40Mb/s (out of 100) I don't think it's a huge issue. And this while being Slashdotted too.

I wish I had that kind of bandwidth :-).

Communication barrier (0)

crow_t_robot (528562) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841352)

What the hell is a "bleeding-edge crazy"??? Translation, please...

Re:Communication barrier (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2841462)

bleeding-edge crazy = you aren't using the scabby remnants from months/years ago found in commercial distros.

Re:Communication barrier (2, Informative)

rm-r (115254) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841681)

Bleeding edge is a play on words of Cuttting edge, basically it means the very newest stuff- unfortunatly so very new that it doesn't work properly and is a pain to use and maintain. Hence bleeding...

Development is News? (-1, Redundant)

ONOIML8 (23262) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841357)

Yawn.

So the release of a development kernel is headline news?

Updates to the stable tree, major improvements, security fixes, and such....well that I can understand.

Re:Development is News? (2, Insightful)

Kynde (324134) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841372)

Perhaps it's just Hemos's way of saying "Stop submitting '2.5.2 released!' to all those way-too-anxious-to-submit-redundant-news.

Re:Development is News? (1)

pi radians (170660) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841397)

If you think actually posting a story is going to stop people from submitting it, you're sadly mistaken. Hell, half the time it won't stop them from posting it again.

=)

Re:Development is News? (0)

Bojay Iverson (261262) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841451)

Give it a few days and one of the other editors will repost the entire story, beginning the entire thing again.

Re:Development is News? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2841539)

Or rather, wait until next week when a different editor posts the 2.5.2 kernel released story again. (yes, that was sarcasm)

Re:Development is News? (1)

ByTor-2112 (313205) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841410)

No kidding. You would think they were starved for stories. I don't submit a story every time Kirk McKusick makes a commit to the FreeBSD tree, or every time some feature is MFC'd. Ridiculous.

Could be worse though, linuxtoday announces every prepatch to every "tree" maintained by every kernel hacker out there.

Re:Development is News? (5, Insightful)

schwap (191462) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841530)

This kind of attitude bugs me.

Reading LKML has been one of the most enlightening experiences. Following the conversations, reports, complaints and rants you can really piece together a very lucid picture of the very complex nature of large open-source projects. The whole process of kernel development demonstrates why open-source works; how hundreds, if not thousands, of people scattered accross the globe can work on a project; how cooperating with fierce competition produces results.

Some days it's like going to the pub and discussing politics. Other days its a horse track where betting takes place on patches. Still, other days its a battlefield where someone has to prove that he can match wits with his adversaries who are also hacking the kernel. Linux kernel development shows that when you embrace all those human traits (competitiveness, arrogance, violence, love, friendship, shame, curiosity, idolitry, desire, hate, intelligence, stupidity, humor, spite, disgust, altruism), and apply them in the appropriate places at the appropriate times you can achieve much more than if you listened to what you were supposed to do. Like all of life it is a seathing, organic process that becomes what it becomes through relentless change and its ability to fulfill a particular niche. The chemestry is the drive of the hacker; the elements are the lines of code: a primordial soup of abstract ideas.

Just a couple of my thoughts at 5:00am.

Well, it is significant. (2, Informative)

clump (60191) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841683)

Yawn.


So the release of a development kernel is headline news?

Updates to the stable tree, major improvements, security fixes, and such....well that I can understand.

This story is significant because this kernel is really the first tangible departure from the 2.4 branch. Initial USB 2, a very improved scheduler, and other improvements a changelog would do a better job than I of documenting.

Like it or not, these types of changes are significant. Things like schedulers and IO end up being the reason Big Iron companies choose OSes. If Linux is getting there, I personally want to know. If you don't, hey... just move on. ;)

Hardware support (0, Flamebait)

jmu1 (183541) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841365)

Yeah, I know, it is the market that pushes the drivers side. However, I am going to make a quick statement: I am not a fscking programmer, so don't tell me to go write a driver!
I want to be able to plug in my scanner, my printer, my fscking digital camera and have it work. Period. I am willing to download and install some stuff. I am even willing to compiles _some_ stuff. I'm not going to spend two to three days downloading source(24.6kbaud connection) and compile libs for a week with all of the problems involved. I have a Canon scanner 620p, I have a Toshiba Digital Camera PDR-M60, and an Hp 970cse printer. None of these work, with the exception of the printer, which does not print photo-quality(which is why I payed the outrageous price I did). This is how it is all over. I don't want to use Microsoft products. I can't afford a Mac. So, I TRY to use Linux. But you know what? All I can do is practice networking skills and use the internet! Whopity-friggin doo!
I'll do everything within my power, be it donating money to carrying your kids to soccer practice, if you folks will just start writing drivers!

Re:Hardware support (4, Insightful)

Patrik Nordebo (170) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841377)

You don't need to talk to the slashdot community about this, you need to talk to the hardware vendors who are the people who can provide programmers with documentation and support, or even pay programmers to write the drivers just like they do for Windows.

Re:Hardware support (0, Troll)

Ace Rimmer (179561) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841384)

Dumbhead. Period. ;)
Buy something supporte or pay someone to write the driver if you need it so badly.

Re:Hardware support (4, Interesting)

Kynde (324134) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841401)

In the future (read "when linux is 2.6ish") we'll have an autoconfiguration tool to assist in probing hardware and accompanying appropriate drivers for the build process. This in turn will hopefully push more manufacturers to release linux drivers along with their M$ drivers since more and more ppl will be able to compile their kernels.

There's huge amounts of discussion going on in the lkml (Linux Kernel Mailing List) right now the autoconfiguration tool.

Re:Hardware support (3, Informative)

theridersofrohan (241712) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841406)

I know that this is a troll, but I'll bite: If you want to use Linux, you need to buy Linux-compatible hardware. Just like you wouldn't by a winprinter for a mac or an iPOD for win32 (yet), you shouldn't buy stuff that you know they don't work or work well under linux. This has been pretty well documented.

Instead of bitching around in message forums with your 24.6k modem connection, why don't you spend the time researching what works under linux and what doesn't. Maybe you would have found that there are card readers for every digital film format (compact flash, smartmedia, memorystick, sd etc) that work under linux.

Or maybe, if you can afford "the outrageous price" for the HP printer, you can afford a win32 CD and perhaps then _you_ could do something more than "practice networking skills and use the internet! Whopity-friggin doo!". Or even a mac (which are not expensive compared to a PC. definetly not -especially the imacs).

"I'll do everything within my power, be it donating money to carrying your kids to soccer practice, if you folks will just start writing drivers!"

How about stop bitching and be thankful to the people that _have_ written the million lines of code (including drivers) that make linux usable and enjoyable for us. Oh and start running windows. I have a feeling you two will get along just fine.

Re:Hardware support (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2841446)

I think you've missed the point somewhere.

Linux is *only* for fscking around with.

Slag off M$ all you like - at least their sh*t works.

Re:Hardware support (2, Insightful)

Novus (182265) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841459)

I'll do everything within my power, be it donating money to carrying your kids to soccer practice, if you folks will just start writing drivers!

In many cases, the hardware manufacturer doesn't care about Linux support and refuses to release hardware specs to Linux driver/kernel/whatever developers (or anyone else except other hardware manufacturers who turn their chips to cards and so on). So, if your plea is directed at the hardware manufacturers, it makes sense. However, in most cases there is nothing most developers of Linux can do, so you may be barking up the wrong tree.

I remember when Creative finally released the first open source Linux drivers for the SB Live. Shortly after that, Alan Cox popped up, did some Linuxification to the drivers, and since then (more or less), the SB Live has been supported by the official kernel.

On the other hand, my Conexant [conexant.com] HCF modem is still unsupported, although we may see some drivers soon. In theory. Conexant has refused any co-operation (to the best of my knowledge) with open source developers.

Re:Hardware support (1)

NightWhistler (542034) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841678)

*sigh*

Same problem here with my Terratec DMX XFire... I use it for MD-recording, but under Linux the digital-out doesn't work... seems that Terratec refuses cooperation as well.. (though I believe it uses a Crystal Soundfusion Chip... don't know about them.)

I use Linux because I don't want to shell out for licences, and I don't want to use illegal software (being in software development myself), but having to do analog recording sucks... :-((

My hopes right now are set on the guys from the ALSA-project.

Re:Hardware support (1)

jonathan_ingram (30440) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841473)

Re your moaning: I wanted to buy a decent inkjet printer with good Linux support. Only took me about half an hour to find that the best bet was the Epson C80, which has *excellent* drivers from the gimp_print project.

Next time you are buying something, ask them if it has Linux support. If they say no, don't buy it - and tell them that you are not buying it *because it doesn't have Linux support*. If enough people do that, they'll quickly get the message. Don't blame Linux for HP's shoddy standards.

Re:Hardware support (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2841500)

Regarding the HP 970 printer, HP released code for Ghostscript that supports photo-quality as well as other modes. Visit

http://hpinkjet.sourceforge.net/

I haven't used the 970 specifically, but the 895 and 832 print excellent photo-quality images when using this driver.

Re:Hardware support (1)

-brazil- (111867) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841586)

Generally, if the ghostscript driver for your printer doesn't yield satisfying results, especially in regard to photo printing, you may get lucky with GIMP-Print [sourceforge.net].

Why? (1, Interesting)

neroz (449747) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841370)

Why is this being announced here? This is the development kernel series. MANY releases are to come, and I really hope that the announcements stop. These kernels are not intended for end users, and you may end up being the reason some newbie installs the kernel and has his drive fsck it self into oblivion. The 2.5 series is going to last a long time because of the radical changes planned, so really, stop announcing them.

Bleeding edge? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2841399)


I thought it was cutting edge. As in a blade.

The blood would be from whatever is being cut.
Bloody edge, bleeding victim.

I prefer gory edge.

What about slicing edge - it sounds very sharp to me, and isn't that the point? No pun intended.

Re:Bleeding edge? (0)

fuali (546548) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841426)

Ergh...
Cutting edge = The leading new technology.
Bleeding Edge = The Very Fringe, Nitty Gritty new technology.

Re:Bleeding edge? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2841437)


So why is the blade bleeding?

Re:Bleeding edge? (-1, Offtopic)

MjDascombe (549226) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841480)

Because it's dripping blood from whatever it just cut due to it's sharpness, it looks like it's bleeding.

Re:Bleeding edge? (1)

-brazil- (111867) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841598)

Just don't forget that what it just cut may be you, or rather, your valuable data...

Or maybe... (5, Interesting)

SilentChris (452960) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841417)

"Well, maybe there's not as many bleeding-edge crazies out there."

Or maybe most of us are at work and are working on (relatively) stable workstations that we can't tinker with. I'm not a kernel hacker myself (I wait until a distro comes out with a new stable kernel and all the trimmings) but I can imagine that kernel traffic probably peaks after business hours.

Re:Or maybe... (2, Flamebait)

gus goose (306978) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841640)

I do not usually jump on this band-wagon ... but ...

Not everybody is at work, and although the US has a large number of the /. population, more than half the Linux developers are non-US. Regardless, most non-US probably have their own local mirror.

My point is that you should be a little less US centric when contemplating something like Linux.

Same old same old ... moderate as appropriate.

gus

Confirmed : Linux *IS* a virus! (-1)

negativekarmanow tm (518080) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841418)

There's ever-increasing evidence that linux is not an OS, but a virus! They even say so on kernel.org [kernel.org]!

A number of people have written us reporting that (...) the Linux kernel tar file contains a virus.

Boy, am I glad I only use Microsoft software!

New Scheduler (2, Informative)

Dios (83038) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841432)

While I am not certain, I see the entries for Davide Libenzi, Ingo Molnar on scheduler improvements. Ingo published a huge scheduler update that looks promising, might be worth checking it out if you have a system under high load that tends to be come poky/etc.

I believe there was some discussion of integrating Ingo's patch with the preemptive patch, should be good for everyone.

A link to his discussion http://kt.zork.net/kernel-traffic/latest.html#4 [zork.net] on Kernel Traffic.

Re:New Scheduler (3, Informative)

psamuels (64397) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841659)

Ingo published a huge scheduler update that looks promising, might be worth checking it out if you have a system under high load that tends to become poky/etc.

Definitely - but you probably won't notice much difference on most machines - his scheduler was intended to address problems particularly with huge systems. A mere 1-CPU or 2-CPU machine isn't going to see the real benefits.

Which isn't to say the patch is worthless on anything less than 4 CPUs - apparently it beats the old scheduler on all benchmarks. But for most of us, scheduling doesn't take a lot of CPU anyway.

mein computer verwendt keinen linuxkernel (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2841433)

Vier maal twintig en zeven jaar geleden hebben onze vaderen op dit continent een nieuwe natie voortgebracht, ontvangen in vrijheid en gewijd aan het beginsel dat alle mensen gelijk zijn geschapen.
Nu zijn wij gewikkeld in een grote burgeroorlog, waarin het voortbestaan van die natie, of van welke natie ook die zo is ontvangen en gewijd, op de proef wordt gesteld. Wij zijn hier samengekomen op een groot slagveld van die oorlog. Wij zijn gekomen om een deel van dat veld te wijden als een laatste rustplaats voor hen, die hier hun leven heben gegeven, opdat die natie zou leven. Het is volkomen juist en passend dat wij dit zourden doen.
Maar in een ruimere zin gesproken kunnen wij deze grond niet opdragen - niet wijden - niet heiligen. De dappere mannen, levenden en doden, die hier gestreden hebben, hebben hem gewijd op een wijze die onze armzalige macht om er aan toe of af te doen ver te boven gaat. De wereld zal er weinig op letten en zich ook niet lang herinneren wat wij hier zeggen, maar zij kan nooit vergeten wat zij hier gedaan hebben. Eigenlijk zijn wij het, wij de levenden, die gewijd moeten worden om het werk te voltooien, waarmee zij die hier gevochten hebben door hun edelmoedigheid al zo ver gevorderd waren. Eigenlijk zijn wij het die hier gewijd moeten worden voor de grote taak die nog voor ons ligt - dat wij door deze vereerde doden worden geïnspireerd tot meer en meer toewijding gaven - dat wij hier plechtig besluiten dat deze doden niet tevergeefs gestorven zijn - dat deze natie onder Gods zegen een nieuwe geboorte der vrijheid zal beleven - en dat een regering van het volk, door het volk, voor het volk, niet zal verdwijnen van de aarde.

song? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2841529)

klinkt als een of ander (rechts?) volkslied

Re:mein computer verwendt keinen linuxkernel (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2841609)

I'm not sure, but didn't he just say "All your kernals are belong to us"?

O(1) Scheduler? (1)

gers0667 (459800) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841439)

Are those improvements of the scheduler in pre11 and final the O(1) scheduler and the preemptable kernel patches that everyone has been talking about?

Re:O(1) Scheduler? (1)

Kynde (324134) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841518)

I would have to say no after a quick glance at the kernel/sched.c

There are however numerous changes but the mentioned O(1) scheduler additions aren't there yet nor are the preemptible kernel patches. There's still discussion going on what to do with the scheduler roughly regarding interactivity vs thruput.

(for further reference I suggest to take a glance at the "Re: [2.4.17/18pre] VM and swap - is's really unusable" thread going on in lkml)

Not Frost Pist!!! (-1)

CmderTaco (533794) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841445)

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With the major restrucuturing finished for now... (2)

jd (1658) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841448)

I can get back to writing FOLK patches. I should have a FOLK patch out within a week, covering the usual plethora of unadded patches, unheard-of protocols and unsightly drivers. :)

Re:With the major restrucuturing finished for now. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2841551)

Great. I've been waiting for one of these for a while. I was kind of worried that the 2.4.10 based kernel that was out there was going to be it. Will you be releasing only 2.5.x or will we see some stuff for 2.4 as well?

Rock on.

-8 karma??? Is that the best you can do Taco? (-1)

CmderTaco (533794) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841464)

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Signal problems fixed - changelog (2, Interesting)

imrdkl (302224) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841474)

From the changelog:
Jakub Jelinek: fix Linux/x86 confusion about arg passing of "save_v86_state" and "do_signal"

Seems somehow appropriate. (the confusion, I mean... :) Anyways, what a bunch of prolific hackers. Some of these guys had changes or patches in nearly every pre version.

The changelog could be a bit more verbose, but otoh, perhaps these kind of descriptions are more thought-inspiring.

all... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2841490)

All your base are this is slashdot not freshmeat.

After UDMA stopped working........ I am waiting. (1)

MikeyS (23823) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841496)

After I installed Kernel 2.4 w/o any hard drive errors for 6 months using Kernel 2.2, I started receiving Bad CRC errors. I decided that the bleeding edge is not for me and I am going to wait a year before upgrading....

Re:After UDMA stopped working........ I am waiting (2)

psamuels (64397) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841690)

After I installed Kernel 2.4 w/o any hard drive errors for 6 months using Kernel 2.2, I started receiving Bad CRC errors.

Which either means the 2.4 drivers are buggy ... or ... the 2.2 drivers aren't reporting your CRC errors.

or.. (0, Flamebait)

skrowl (100307) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841548)

"maybe there's not as many bleeding-edge crazies out there" should read "maybe there's not as many linux users out there". Perhaps they all got sick of linux and moved to the more stable, faster FreeBSD or (gasp) a Microsoft OS.
Have you linux guys even given Windows XP a fair shot? I know at least 4 die-hard linux people that switched from linux as their DESKTOP OS (they still use it on their servers).

Re:or.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2841596)

I wouldn't call them die hard..

Honestly.. (-1, Troll)

phat_rat (542703) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841552)

Honestly..these Linux programmers need to take their time..people don't want to download the new kernal once a week..I mean..release it after you make some serious updates and stop bugging us!

Re:Honestly.. (4, Insightful)

Kynde (324134) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841647)

Honestly..these Linux programmers need to take their time..people don't want to download the new kernal once a week..I mean..release it after you make some serious updates and stop bugging us!

That gets pointed out so often that I'm doubtful about making yet anothe r reply to this, but...

First off we're dealing with a 2.5.x release here, the whole 2.5.x is a developement branch, which is not meant for normal users, it's for those developing or otherwise interested in hacking the kernel.

Secondly even for stable branches (2.2.X and 2.4.X and 2.6.X one day) it is recommended that normal users stick to vendor provided kernels. For example the RedHat released 2.4.9-13 is still a valid kernel. It contains a lot of fixes that came to linux kernele main tree after the 2.4.9.

The sad mishaps with 2.4.10 et al happened because at that time the 2.4.x branch were still the developement branch. The problems with those releases didn't involve those that used distribution kernels, only those that were either adventureous enough to try the cutting-edge stuff or mistaken into believing that every 2.4.x release was to be taken as the stable-release for the normal users.

Want stability? Stick to distribution kernels. Want to toy around and hopefully learn something while adventuring with a developement kernel? Head over to www.kernelnewbies.org and rtfm....

This is not a question of getting the latest and the finest, because for normal users the latest distribution kernel released is the finest in every practical sense. (either that or you might concider changing our distribution preference)

(and by a normal user I'm referring to a user not particularly interested in developing or otherwise hacking the kernel)

ISDN?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2841558)

"- Kai Germaschewski: ISDN updates"

hasn't this been figured out already??

who, besides my jackass ex-employer, still uses ISDN??

Re:ISDN?? (1)

-brazil- (111867) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841622)

Lots of people for whom broadband either isn't available at all or who just don't need it and thus save some money.

Updates to OSS drivers (4, Insightful)

BlowCat (216402) | more than 12 years ago | (#2841581)

I'm amazed that Pete Zaitcev continues to update YMF PCI sound driver in the middle of discussion about the source layout of ALSA drivers. Nobody doubts that ALSA will be included, the only question is how.
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