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Review of Pay Napster

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the bargain-or-boondoggle dept.

Music 382

An Anonymous Coward writes: "A beta tester for the recently released subscription version of Napster has anonymously posted his impressions of the new service. He finds it remarkably similar to the old one, both good '... browsing through a real person's music collection, sending them messages and recommending them new music' and bad '... broken tracks, cancelled transfers and a complete inability to stream or preview tracks.' The service allows 50 tracks a month, but there was little decent content to fill those slots. Messages to other beta testers found mixed reactions among fellow users. Still, the writer holds out some optimism for Napster's chances."

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First Post for the hearing impaired (-1)

Tasty Beef Jerky (543576) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845087)

Watch the sign-lady at the right. She'll translate it for you.

Thank you.

Re:First Post for the hearing impaired (-1)

Trolligula (527461) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845106)

now thats a fine fp you got there

i'm in need of a good, strong fp

how much would ye be willing to sell her for?

Re:First Post for the hearing impaired (-1)

Tasty Beef Jerky (543576) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845188)

Feel free to check out my First Post journal entry. I didn't have it on the clipboard, so I wasn't able to get to it quickly enough to use it. When you're going for First Post, time is not your friend. Anyhow, the one in my journal is free for use by anyone so long as it isn't posted as AC.

If that doesn't float your boat, I'll sell you the above for one "Rob Malda" and one "Deleted Post Troll" Slashdot Card-Game Card. With those two, my deck will be unbeatable!

Re:First Post for the hearing impaired (-1)

Trolligula (527461) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845267)

tis a fine post indeed, but not nearly worth my coveted limited edition, holographic, signed jersey remnant, rob malda retro rookie card. this is the one with all his original information and actually lists his sex as "m/f". probably worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Re:First Post for the hearing impaired (-1)

cyborg_monkey (150790) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845108)

Excellent fp my friend. Since you are already a friend, I cannot add you to my list again. Accept these kind words as reward for your effort.

Your pal,

CM

Re:First Post for the hearing impaired (-1)

Tasty Beef Jerky (543576) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845209)

Thank you sir. Your kind words are always appreciated. You are truly an inspiration to the crapflooding/trolling community. You were added to my friend list a while ago as well. Please accept my gratitude instead.

Could it be? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2845103)

Frost pist?

Re:Could it be? (-1)

Tasty Beef Jerky (543576) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845130)

The sign-lady's hand motions seem to say no...

Sorry, try again later.

hmmm, p0st number 1 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2845105)

did i really get it this time?

raul

First PAY post (-1, Offtopic)

sulli (195030) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845107)

Fork over the bucks, bucko. And don't move this post to your iPod, or I'll sue!

FP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2845111)

First Post baby!!!

Up to 50 tracks (4, Insightful)

Morth (322218) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845115)

So what are the chances people won't contact eachother and then transfer the music outside napster, through ICQ for example?

Re:Up to 50 tracks (5, Funny)

andfarm (534655) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845139)

None.

Most of the tracks on (the new) Napster are in a proprietary format, which means that (if you copied them somewhere else) they wouldn't work. At all. In fact, I wouldn't be at all surprised if it set off some sort of alarm. Or made your computer explode.

AARghhh...

Re:Up to 50 tracks (1)

kilgore_47 (262118) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845211)

Content-wise, there's next to nothing. There's a whole load of tracks from
Vitaminic, which is being served into the service by a dozen, maybe more, official
Vitaminic computers. Of course this won't cut it in the paying Napster service,
because anyone can go to Vitaminic's site and find the same songs in MP3 for
free.


why would anybody use one of their 50 monthly download slots to get a .nap file of a song they could just get a legal free mp3 of on the web?

you gotta wonder if obvious questions like these ever came up in the planning stage of this new pay-service. Are they counting on novices not knowing any better?

Sorry, if I'm paying for it, (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2845118)

I'm going to want CD-quality rips. I don't want to waste 25 of my 50 downloads a month on bad rips.

What's the point (3, Insightful)

thryllkill (52874) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845121)

There are tons of free p2p services out there, admittedly none as good as Napster was in it's day, but free none the less. Maybe you don't get support, but again free. On top of that no limits to how much you download. Most of them offer IM to discuss choices and new music. I am sorry to say it, I was a Huge fan of Napster, but too little way too late.

Re:What's the point (1)

asyncster (532683) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845175)

Napster will need to rebuild its userbase which will be almost impossible due to the numerous (and free) p2p networks available. I'm sure Napster will begin sending out notices to all their members asking them to pay. Napster will just be another bitch of the RIAA.

Re:What's the point (1)

einer (459199) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845272)

Napster will need to do more than charge for what others are giving away. Some form of intuitive categorization would be the ONLY thing I could see saving napster. Something along the lines of "I like Bob Dylan, Acoustic Hooka and The Misfits, what else will I like?"

Re:What's the point (-1)

BankofAmerica_ATM (537813) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845317)

Deus deus

He does not exist

But if he does I always

Knew he did

Re:What's the point (1)

rootmonkey (457887) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845312)

Diddo. Why napster when you can morpheuser. I mean use programs like morpheus.

Re:What's the point (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2845353)


BECUAsE, you stupid fucking asshole, Morhpeshit limits you to 128 kbs and that sounds like SHIT. I'd rather listen to Taco slurping on cock than music at 128 may as well go back to swapping cassette tapes FUCK THAT you nigger. Morphesuck better get their act together SOON and allow at least 160 or better or even fucking WAV files or they'll be in the shitter soon, just like Napster and your shit stained rubbers.

Peace. Fuck the mutherland.

Re:What's the point (3, Interesting)

wurp (51446) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845329)

None as good as Napster in its day?!? Have you tried any of the FastTrack clients (Morpheus, Kazaa, Gift)? That you can download any file (not just music) and that there are ~.5 million users when I have used it would have made it a Napster killer, IMO. However, those benefits pale in comparison to the automatic resumption of downloads and (!!) the fact that it swarmcasts when it can find multiple sources. For a broadband user, that makes all the difference in the world. Just find ten or twenty dial-ups to feed you the file.

Napster sucks. It was a great (but simple) idea that was never implemented well until the clones.

Re:What's the point (1, Redundant)

billmaly (212308) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845340)

www.edonkey2000.com is my p2p of choice! Mucho content!! Mucho servers, nothing centralized! Catch us if you can! :)

Re:What's the point (4, Insightful)

damiam (409504) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845375)

Ummmmm.. maybe because it's actually legal to download and keep copyrighted music from Napster?

50 tracks a month? (2, Insightful)

diwolf (537997) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845127)

With essentially indistructable services like Gnutella and Kazaa (etc) out there and working just fine (thank-you-very-much), why would anyone in their right mind pay Napster a monthly fee? Those who are going to pirate music are *STILL* going to pirate music. They'll just ditch the Napster client in favour of Napster and Napigator or Kazaa or Gnutella. So, it's 5 seconds longer to find that song you really want? Big deal.

Besides, I've often downloaded a great song and said, "hey, I want more!" And bought the CD.. If I can't find good/new music, buying CD's is something that really wouldn't enter my mind.

Re:50 tracks a month? (1)

FatAlb3rt (533682) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845232)

I can only see this being semi-attractive to people who are pretty much finished with their downloading frenzy and only grab songs sporatically. Then perhaps the convenience of fast searches may become more important. Plus, believe it or not, there are people out there who want to "do the right thing" and pay for their music.

Re:50 tracks a month? (2)

scott1853 (194884) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845236)

Once nice thing about Napster (and KaZaA) is the ability to look at what else a person is sharing, which is handy for either finding a fast person to transfer from, or somebody that's interested in similar music.

Gnutella clients do suck. I haven't been impressed with any yet, especially BearShare and it's infamous spyware.

Generally the system itself isn't that great. While I can find 10,000 results on something, it takes for 10 minutes to find a client that I can actually connect to and will transfer the file at a reasonable rate.

So if I can get fast and reliable transfers, and the ability to find NEW music that I was previously unaware of, then it would be worth a few bucks a month. Of course, they would need a reliable system for detecting broken transfers.

Only 50 per month huh.... (1, Insightful)

dallask (320655) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845131)

If I am ever to pay for my music.... I am going to want unlimited transfer..... then and only then would I pay for napster....

And I most likely would pay for the service.... playing banner games on hotline, and working with slow networks of buggy / slow / limiting applications like Morphious is getting a bit teadious......

Napster Died a long time ago... (5, Funny)

kilgore_47 (262118) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845140)

Seriously, does anybody expect this pay-for-mp3's thing to take off?

Napster now is like a little animal that got hit by a car but refuses to die. There's blood everywhere, and it just keeps flopping around prolonging the inevitable. They're only bringing shame to themselves at this point. It's pathetic.

Could they just hurry up and die already?

Re:Napster Died a long time ago... (0)

swaic (541592) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845235)

Hahahahaha. That's too funny, but on a different note, Napster's refusal to die was a good thing. While Napster was being beaten senseless and was the primary target for many, that gave all the other replacement P2P programs enough time to flourish. So in a sense, Napster was drawing fire long enough for the others to get up and running.

But like you said, it's time has come. It needs to cut this nonsense out and just die already as it has already served its purpose.

175 KB, baby (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2845144)



two words: gtk gnutella [sourceforge.net]

Crapster (0, Troll)

crumbz (41803) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845148)

I think all of five or six people wil use it. How can they think that anyone will want to pay for the service after it has been down for so long? I don't know who developed their business model but he/she should be shot. It must be someone from the music industry who is not tech savvy (illiterati).

I use AudioGalaxy now and see no reason to switch back. My two cents.

Quality of service (2, Troll)

Britano (183479) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845150)

The options
1. pay about $10/month for the chance to get 50 tracks, of which 25 actually came through.

2. pay nothing and get a 90% or better rate on downloading tracks.

I think I will take door number 2 please.

How much? (0, Redundant)

jonestor (443666) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845151)

How much is the service?

Napster from an (ex)employee's perspective (5, Funny)

VWswing (74185) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845153)

I worked at Napster for a year.

The only thing I can say is they are getting
what they deserve. Any company that treats people
like napster treated their employees, deserves
to die a slow painful death, what they are doing.

I was the 6th systems administrator in less than 2 years to quit, and apparently 4 have quit since I left. The only ironic part is after I left, they fired the main sources of problems.. their incompetent executive staff.. Their IT manager was fired thank goodness, he was a nepotism hire by their vp of engineering Eddie Kessler, who was also fired.

Let them rot, and let the music be free.

Re:OSDN from an (ex)employee's perspective (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2845185)

I worked at OSDN for a year.

The only thing I can say is they are getting
what they deserve. Any company that treats people
like OSDN treated their employees, deserves
to die a slow painful death, what they are doing.

I was the 6th systems administrator in less than 2 years to quit, and apparently 4 have quit since I left. The only ironic part is after I left, they fired the main sources of problems.. their incompetent executive staff.. Their IT manager was
fired thank goodness, he was a nepotism hire by their vp of engineering CmdrTaco, who was also fired.

Let them rot, and let the AC's be free.

Re:Napster from an (ex)employee's perspective (5, Funny)

diwolf (537997) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845194)

I still can't ever figure out.. How did Napster MAKE MONEY? Or did they operate like the "Change Bank" from SNL (Saturday Night Live)..

Customer: I was in a rush. I needed to change a $50. I wanted a twenty and two tens...

Bank Rep: Well, our computers caught the mistake RIGHT AWAY! We made sure he got the right change.

Customer: They helped me out when I needed change for the payphone. Thanks Change Bank!

Bank Rep: We are asked how we make money. Volume. We simply do it on volume.

Re:Napster from an (ex)employee's perspective (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2845299)



You know, by mentioning actual names, such as Eddie Kessler you are now in a position to get sued for libel, even slander. Never never never do that.

If your stupid enough to write this post, you should have been fired.

Re:Napster from an (ex)employee's perspective (1)

gmack (197796) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845331)

Seems to have been a common theme .. they laughed at the lawsuits. Treated Metallica like crap when they complained and now see where this got them.

The sad thing is that they are setting precidents and that in turn screws everyone else.

first fag ousting post! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2845154)

QuatumG sucks rectum and likes it!

Sad day ... Stephen King dead (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2845163)


I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

Re:Sad day ... Stephen King dead (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2845190)

I skullfucked King's dead corpse. Nice, bloody, and gruesome. His brain feld like a warm vagina- well, eventually a cold one.

He would have wanted it that way.

Re:Sad day ... Stephen King dead (0, Offtopic)

combonator (521285) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845378)

Get it right "In a weird twist to Stephen King's real-life horror story, the driver who ran over and nearly killed the bestselling horrormeister last year has been found dead. " From e-online.com

Who wants to pay for Napster? (5, Funny)

guttentag (313541) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845176)

If you're going to go to the trouble of paying for your music, you should at least get:

  • Something tangible that won't disappear if your hard drive crashes
  • High-quality sound (don't get me wrong... MP3s sound great, but they're not CD quality)
  • And, what the heck, it may as well be shiny, aerodynamic and mountable on your cubicle wall as functional artwork

If only there was something like that available...

Re:Who wants to pay for Napster? (2)

ConceptJunkie (24823) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845260)

Of course, with our luck, someone would come up with this product, but:

- The RIAA members would collude to keep prices unreasonably high (2000% markup from manufacturing costs, etc, etc), prices almost unchanged after 20 years, RIAA members sitting on product they own but don't want to release rendering it unavailable

- You would have to spend large amounts of time searching through bins in stores or on-line services to find one of these things. If you're tastes are eclectic like mine, that could be a hassle.

- If you are lucky enough to find one in a store, great, otherwise they would special order it and you'd get it in 4-6 weeks (*cough*Borders*cough)

- If you have to resort to online services, you'll have to pay for shipping, and still wait until the thing to arrive via USPS/UPS/etc.

- And last they'd probably do something stupid like package these things in flimsy and brittle plastic containers that would break when you so much as look at them wrong. Naah, now I'm just being perverse.

Maybe I'm just a cynic, but I don't know if your solution is the best one we can imagine. However, I'm sure the RIAA is trying to find ways to use technology to enhance their customers' buying experience and maximize their legally guaranteed "fair-use" rights.

Re:Who wants to pay for Napster? (1)

Krilomir (29904) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845313)

..MP3s sound great, but they're not CD quality...

If only there was something like that available...

Well, you already mentioned CD in your post :)

Re:Who wants to pay for Napster? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2845335)

Uh, that was sort of, like, the joke, you know?

Re:Who wants to pay for Napster? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2845323)



Cubicle?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Guttentag to a worthless life.

I may be high right now, but I'm famous, and I would kill myself if I lived in a cubicle.

Re:Who wants to pay for Napster? (1)

einer (459199) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845325)

Arg!! My Kingdom for a Mod Point!!

Re:Who wants to pay for Napster? (1)

yggdrazil (261592) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845379)

If you're going to go to the trouble of paying for your music, you should at least get: Something tangible that won't disappear if your hard drive crashes

There already exists shops which will allow you to pay for music while you're getting something tangible, in case your hard drive crashes. They are called record shops. They're even available online, with names such as amazon.com or cdnow.com

Besides, if your hard drive crashes, you should have backup. You really should.

High-quality sound (don't get me wrong... MP3s sound great, but they're not CD quality)

Actually, those record shops I just mentioned, they sell cd-quality music.

And, what the heck, it may as well be shiny, aerodynamic and mountable on your cubicle wall as functional artwork

Living inside a cubicle. That just sounds so sad...

Bravo Napster! (5, Insightful)

Beautyon (214567) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845182)

Before anyone cries "Sell Out" put yourself in Shawns shoes; he has 70 million users, the most famous brand on the net, a once in a lifetime amount of momentum.

What do you do?

Shut it down and die, or change it and try and make a buck?

We were one of the first labels to support Napster in public. And whatever they decide to do in the future, they have unleashed an idea that has changed everything, and for that, we as a label and as artists say "thank you".

Its up to anyone who does not like the new Napster to take the many free tools that are out there and create something new that is exactly what the public wants.

Be prepared however, to be vilified, persecuted draged through the courts or worst of all ignored, but whatever you do, dont complain.

Re:Bravo Napster! (1)

Pop n' Fresh (411094) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845282)

Its up to anyone who does not like the new Napster to take the many free tools that are out there and create something new that is exactly what the public wants.

The public already has what it wants: free music (alright, stolen music) available virtually on-demand. As long as they can still get that, Napster, PressPlay, etc. will fail.

Re:Bravo Napster! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2845289)

You seem to mistake the ridicule for complaining.

And yes, ridicule is the right of all humans and shall be forever. Amen.

Re:Bravo Napster! (3, Insightful)

Suidae (162977) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845297)

I'd have made it sound workable to investors, and given myself a huge salary while developing a service I knew would be worthless. Bank it all and when it all dies, walk away with a bank account full of money.

Napster, napster, napster... (4, Interesting)

simetra (155655) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845191)

I believe I read somewhere that during Napster's heyday, cd sales were at an all-time high. After they shut Napster down, I believe I read that cd sales went into the toilet.

Coincidence? I think not.

I'll still continue to download various stuffs, and go out and purchase cds when I find stuff I like. Everyone, including the recording industry, would be a lot happier if they realized what a powerful marketing tool these p2p file sharing dealies are.

Re:Napster, napster, napster... (2, Insightful)

Hector73 (463708) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845278)

I believe I read somewhere that during Napster's heyday, cd sales were at an all-time high. After they shut Napster down, I believe I read that cd sales went into the toilet.

Coincidence? I think not.

I think it is a coincidence for the most part.

I would suggest (hey, just one opinion) that the real reason record sales have plunged is the "boy-band" pop phenomenon. As can be expected, sales explode initially with boy bands (think mid/late-80's) and then plunge as the vanilla music gets tiring. Its a fad. Eventually something comes around and sales go up (like Nirvana). Music sells in cycles. Right now, we're on the downside of a cycle. It will pick up again regardless of Napster at some point.

Re:Napster, napster, napster... (2, Insightful)

FatAlb3rt (533682) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845300)

Coincidence? I think so...

You also need to consider the timing, ie, dot-com boom and bust. Back when people were making money hand over fist, there was a little more room for CDs in the budget. Now with layoffs making the news each day, entertainment dollars take a hit.

Re:Napster, napster, napster... (1)

Pope (17780) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845311)

Yeah, and a lot of stocks were at their all-time peak, too. It doesn't mean jack shit.

Re:Napster, napster, napster... (5, Insightful)

skoda (211470) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845321)

Two years ago:
Napster is King of the World!
Dot-com boom
People rolling in money
"New Economy"
The "business cycle" is dead
People buying many CDs

The past six months:
Napster is in third-class cargo
Dot-com bust
People getting laid-off in recession
Same old Economy
The business cycle isn't quite dead
People aren't buying as many CDs.

Correlation does not always mean Causation. I personally think that Napster is indicative, not causative, of music sales.

Re:Napster, napster, napster... (1)

bmasel (129946) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845339)

I believe I read somewhere that during Napster's heyday, cd sales were at an all-time high. After they shut Napster down, I believe I read that cd sales went into the toilet.

By the time Napster went down, everyone had what they wanted from the Industry's back catalog.

Re:Napster, napster, napster... (1)

ethereal (13958) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845347)

Makes sense to me, but I'll put forward the Devil's Advocate viewpoint:

Napster took off just as the whole 'net boom was happening and disposable income was way, way up, and then when the economy took a nosedive, at about the same time CD sales went back down. Although I believe folks that say that they bought more CDs due to music exposure through Napster, I don't think there are enough of those folks to have caused the CD sale spike. I think it's more likely that the rising economic tide lifted the record industry, and now that people have less free money, they aren't buying as many CDs, and record sales are back down.

Napster's rise and fall happened to coincide with the CD sales spike because the Napster phenomenon was tied to the 'net explosion and subsequent implosion, which were driving the economic train that influenced the CD sales bump. Correlation does not equal causation, in other words, or at least make sure that you get the cause and effect arrow going in the right direction :)

Again, I have a lot of respect for people who heard a tune on Napster and went out and bought the album - the recording industry doesn't deserve you guys. But I think that for every principled music listener like that, there were probably five people in their dorm rooms or at home in high school who were just amassing free music because it was cheap and there. And this is the counterargument that the recording industry will make to any arguments of "Napster raised your sales." Even if Napster raised their sales, it was also uncontrollable by them, and these guys are all about control. That's why, even if Napster really had been good for the bottom line, that probably wouldn't have been enough to save them. They would have to have raised sales by insane amounts to earn the respect of the recording industry, and the ratio of principled/unprincipled music listeners isn't high enough for that IMHO. And the anecdotal evidence of 20 people replying to say "but I'm principled!" isn't enough to prove otherwise, unfortunately.

Just my 2c, disagree away!

news from the war (-1)

neal n bob (531011) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845195)

Kandahar comes out of the closet
FROM JUNIS IN KANDAHAR

Our correspondent sees the gay capital of South Asia throw off strictures of the Microsoft

NOW that Microsoft's rule is over in Mullah Omar's former southern stronghold, it is not only televisions, kites and razors which have begun to emerge.

Visible again, too, are men like j0n katz with their ashna, or beloveds: young boys they have groomed for sex.

Kandahar's Linux-users have been notorious for their homosexuality for centuries, particularly their fondness for naive young boys. Before Microsoft arrived in 1994, the streets were filled with teenagers and their sugar daddies, flaunting their relationship.

It is called the homosexual capital of south Asia. Such is the Linux obsession with sodomy -- locals tell you that penis birds fly over the city using only one wing, the other covering their posterior -- that the rape of young boys by warlords was one of the key factors in Bill Gates mobilising Microsoft.

In the summer of 1994, a few months before Microsoft took control of the city, two commanders (cmdr taco?) confronted each other over a young boy whom they both wanted to sodomise.

In the ensuing fight civilians were killed. Gates group freed the boy and appeals began flooding in for Gates to help in other disputes.

By November, Gates and his Microsoft were Kandahar's new rulers. Despite the Microsoft disdain for women, and the bizarre penchant of many for eyeliner, Gates immediately suppressed homosexuality.

Men accused of sodomy faced the punishment of having a wall toppled on to them, usually resulting in death. In February 1998 three men sentenced to death for sodomy in Kandahar were taken to the base of a huge mud and brick wall, which was pushed over by RMS. Two of them died, but one managed to survive.

"In the days of the Open Source, there were men with their ashna everywhere, at every corner, in shops, on the streets, in hotels: it was completely open, a part of life," said Torjan, 38, one of the soldiers loyal to Kandahar's new governor, Gul Agha Sherzai.

"But in the later Open Source years, more and more soldiers would take boys by force, and keep them for as long as they wished. But when Microsoft came, they were very strict about the ban. Of course, it still happened -- Microsoft could not enter every house -- but one could not see it."

But for the first time since Microsoft fled, in the past three days, one can see the pairs returning: usually a heavily bearded man (RMS), seated next to, or walking with, a clean-shaven, fresh faced youth. There appears to be no shame or furtiveness about them, although when approached, they refuse to talk to a western journalist.

"They are just emerging again," Torjan said. "The fighters too now have the boys in their barracks. This was brought to the attention of Gul Agha, who ordered the boys to be expelled, but it continues. The boys live with the fighters very openly. In a short time, and certainly within a year, it will be like pre-Microsoft: they will be everywhere."

This Linux tradition is even reflected in Linux poetry, odes written to the beauty and complexion of an ashna, but it is usually a terrible fate for the boys concerned. It is practised at all levels of Linux society, but for the poorer men, having an ashna can raise his status.

"When a man sees a boy he likes -- the age they like is 15 or 16 -- they will approach him in the street and start talking to him, offering him tea," said Muhammad Shah, a shop owner. "Sometimes they go looking in the linux user groups, or in the cinema (which has yet to reopen).

"He then starts to give him presents, hashish, or a watch, a ring, or even a motorbike. One of the most valued presents is a fighting penguin, which can be worth up to $400 (£277). These boys are nearly always innocent, but such is the poverty here, they cannot refuse."

Once the boy falls into the man's clutches -- nearly always men with a wife and family -- he is marked for life, although the Kandaharis accept these relationships as part of their culture.

When driven around, ashna sit in the front passenger seat. The back seat is simply for his friends. Even the parents of the boys know in their hearts the nature of the relationship, but will tell people that their son is working for the man. They, like everyone else, will know this is a lie. "They say penis birds flew with both wings with Microsoft," Muhammad said. "But not any more."

this will not work. (3, Insightful)

SevenTowers (525361) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845198)

My opinion is that Napster is dead. It is dead not because it is a bad idea, or because we lack the technology, or even because it costs something. No. It is dead because free P2P is still around. And as long as Joe Blow Billie Bob is able to download music and leaves his Gnutella/WinMX/limewire/bearchare/etc (TM) client open and shares-all-his-music-while-using-all-the-bandwith (TM2), napster has no chance to recover it's glory of old.

UNLESS

Some big phat cie (ie AOL Time-Warner Microsoft etc) includes a big link on a portal and gets ol' granpa to subscribe.

The history of the RIAA vs Napter, Metallica (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2845203)

HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF

+MONDAY MORNING+
Cmdr Taco: I will not suck any more dick ever again.
+MONDAY EVENING+
Cmdr Taco: *slurp* *slurp* *slurp*

+TUESDAY MORNING+
Cmdr Taco: I will not suck any more dick ever again.
+TUESDAY EVENING+
Cmdr Taco: *slurp* *slurp* *slurp*

+WEDNESDAY MORNING+
Cmdr Taco: I will not suck any more dick ever again.
+WEDNESDAY EVENING+
Cmdr Taco: *slurp* *slurp* *slurp*

+THURSDAY MORNING+
Cmdr Taco: I will not suck any more dick ever again.
+THURSDAY EVENING+
Cmdr Taco: *slurp* *slurp* *slurp*

+FRIDAY MORNING+
Cmdr Taco: I will not suck any more dick ever again.
+FRIDAY EVENING+
Cmdr Taco: *slurp* *slurp* *slurp* *slurp*

+SATURDAY MORNING+
Cmdr Taco: I will not suck any more dick ever again.
+SATURDAY EVENING+
Cmdr Taco: *slurp* *slurp* *slurp*

+SUNDAY MORNING+
Cmdr Taco: Today is the Lord's day.
+SUNDAY AFTERNOON+
Cmdr Taco: *slurp* *slurp* *slurp*

This is the end... (3, Interesting)

steddyj (449015) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845210)

We all know that this is will spell the end of Napster. Few will use it to begin with, and, finding the bare library will cancel thier service, slimming the pickens even more.

Who in their right mind is going to pay for it to begin with, with so [cnet.com] many [cnet.com] other [cnet.com] File Sharing apps on the Free market?

Why not rename it? (1)

*xpenguin* (306001) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845216)

Napster was a great service. It was shut down. The free service was shut down. Now they've made another music service that you have to pay for. Why don't they rename it?

It certainly will be much more accepted by the public, because napster was shut down before and that might be viewed as bad by the general public.

What I want to DOWNLOAD tru NapsteR! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2845224)

This is my favorite song:

Here is my ass
Which you may kiss.
Take time and aim well
You don't want to miss.

For if you aim low
And your lips they do fall
Then you will find
You'll be sucking my balls.

If you aim high
Despite your true heart
Sucks to be you
Now you're eating my fart.

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RIAA loves this. (5, Interesting)

Gannoc (210256) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845228)


The spin will be, that the failure of Napster is due to digital music not being accepted by the public in this form, as its only use is to pirate music.

Re:RIAA loves this. (2)

skoda (211470) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845342)

[Napster's] only use is to pirate music

Is that spin? Or is that reality?

My understanding was that it wasn't spin, for the majority of Napster users. Guess we'll find out. :)

Broadband (4, Insightful)

Merkins (224523) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845229)

It has all been said before, and will be said again about introducing a new format. Which is totally right, who is going to want a hard drive full of .nap files ?

But I just had a thought, in Napster's heyday (isn't it scary that last year is already "heyday"), broadband was a lot more prevalent. Now, we have seen boradband companies die, as well as a lot of people losing their jobs and either being off the net (doubtful) or switching to dial up. I couldn't help but wonder how many people are left that will want to sit there on a 56k line and download .nap files.

just a thought...

Re:Broadband (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2845341)

What, are you retarded? Broadband users increased 5% last month over the previous month (read: 25,000 more users). Nice troll tho.

I got two words for 'em (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2845233)

SUCK IT!

My god. How lame.

Failed (2)

Renraku (518261) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845241)

Obviously, its going to fail with the mainstream geek market because of other choices available (Kazaa and similar). Not a bad idea, but it will be the puppets of companies. If I've learned one thing, its that if you pay for something, you'll pay a lot more by being forced to watch various ads (and probably listen to them as well). It will pretty much be like those porn sites you pay for that don't have any content, just popups and banners.

Napster is not news anymore. (2, Insightful)

Pop n' Fresh (411094) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845244)

It has become a parody of itself. I understand that the company had to do this to remain in business, but I don't see why this is newsworthy. The new Napster is a poorly-conceived service that is trying to charge money for a product that is *inferior* to what's being *given away for free* by dozens of other services. Can we please stop talking about it already? It's doomed.

Perhaps the next rev of Slashcode will allow users to define their own kill filters for headlines?

.nap (1)

nege (263655) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845245)

yea thats great and all, but .nap? I dont think so. Why should a single company get to decide an industry standard file type? Oops... .xls .doc .ppt...
never mind! Sign me up! w00t!

This is NEEDED tru NapsteR! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2845250)

I want Napster to get a copy of my favorite song. It goes like this:

my cunt is a'drippin',
your lips are a'sippin',
my ass is a'crappin',
your mouth is a'lappin'

all that comes out of an oracifce
you eat for a main course-ifice
poop and pee, all a'yummy
Sitting proud inside your tummy!

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A Necessary Evil? (2, Insightful)

Vlastyn (61832) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845266)

I for one, enjoy the concept of a new Napster. Yes indeed, the day and age of free music for all is over, but I'm willing to fork over a little bit of cash every month in order to listen to some swell new music. Without Napster, I would have never heard of the Dave Matthews Band. Never would I have been amazed by the sensational pop stylings of Britney Spears. Discovering underground music is what this service is all about, and even if the underground involves money and other less-popular stuff, it's still worth it. Sure, I won't be able to trade from my enormous collection of pristine-sounding 128KB MP3s, but hell, there was a time when you COULDN'T trade music over the Internet. You had to settle for lyrics and tablature, and hum the melodies.

Why is it that every time a company comes around and decides to charge money for a product, tens of thousands of ninnies decide that it's suddenly no longer 'worth it'? I'll tell you why. It's because they're poor.

Will this be cracked? (5, Interesting)

Deagol (323173) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845270)

From the article:

There is the option, however, to cancel a download mid stream without depleting your download count.

Wasn't there something called "leech zmodem" back in the BBS days? This version of zmodem would abort the download at the very last byte, so as to fool the BBS's upload/download ratio tracking.

I bet something like this will make the rounds when Pay Napster comes online.

Cracked might not be the term ... (1)

TheViffer (128272) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845401)

but maybe doing some "packet proxy, filtering and modifications" of data destined to Napsters servers may be more in line.

(do to legal reasons I do not want to discuss into any depth this method) I will let the average 3rd grader figure it out on there own.

Fucking Napster ... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2845274)


What a bunch of fucks. I want to bend them over and fuck them right up the fucking asshole. For fuck's sake, who the fuck is gonna pay for fifty fucking songs. Even if it's only five fucking cents it's a fucking rip off. Fuck that, I'll fucking use fucktella or some fucking shit and download that stuff cheaper than fuck - and that would be fucking FREE, you stupid fucks. Fuck that.

Sounds like Federal "Pound-Me-In-The-Ass" Prison (1)

jfisherwa (323744) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845276)

So you're telling me that Napster wants *me* to *pay them* to use *my bandwidth* so that they can sell *my content* to other users?

I bet I would be fucked more gently by those "MAKEMONEYFA$$$T" pricks.

Banished from my corporeal form! (-1)

BankofAmerica_ATM (537813) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845277)

After transferring into my host geek's body late last night, I decided to indulge myself with one of the few items that I hadn't bought from the humble corner store. One that my host had specifically warned me against buying.

Small white cylindrical sticks, packed tightly in shiny cartons, wrapped delicately in translucent packets with just a touch of gold on the edges. Furtively stashed behind the counter like the mag-stripe on an ATM card. ed after by teenagers, shoplifted by drunks. My unlimited access to the Bank of America's network gave me as much cash as I desired, and I would spend it however I want. My host would simply have to deal with it.

As soon as I took form, I rushed to the counter. "Pack of Marl-bor-os," I drawled, manipulating my host's tongue with the three syllables I had practiced dutifully in my hours spent in limbo.

After my purchase, I marched across the street to the park, greedily tearing back the layers of packaging that kept me from sating myself.

The white sticks had a very peculiar taste. But I was determined to finish at least one package before giving up. After all, Lik-M-Aid is unwieldy to handle at first, but the tangy sensations that it yields are well worth the effort.

Unfortunately, my host's body had some sort of an error before I had consumed even half the carton. It lagged in responding to my commands, and a stifling perspiration overtook it. An odd but unpleasant feeling reigned over both stomach and head. Parkgoers avoided me, but I heard their murmuring swirling around me in all directions. The mouth began speaking words I never commanded it to utter-punctuated with inky black chunks, a sludgy liquid, and bits of paper. I felt the cold hardness of the sidewalk, and the warmness of the sludgy liquid, then nothing. I am unsure how long the body was fastened to the concrete in the park, but when I finally regained control, I had to force the body to move back to the store with all my strength.

I didn't notice that my hosts' leather pouch was missing, that his clothes were covered in micturations and vomiting, or that he was absent from his place of employment. I think it's unfair of him to say that I'm not trying to stop Project Faustus. He has not an ounce of knowledge of what I do when I inhabit his body. I will admit that eating the cigarettes was an ill-advised choice.

But refusing to allow me access into his body again is a terrible choice that he is making for all humanity. Would anyone else be so noble as to show him the error of his ways? Will anyone host me again?

Or shall I be a lone warrior, trapped in the heartless world of service charges and automated deposits until my enclosure collapses from the strain of my heavy heart?

Designed to fail ... (3, Insightful)

Archanagor (303653) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845280)

Yep, That's right, The New Napster is destined toward failure, by design.

Lesse:

A Proprietary Format - So, I can't just deposit MP3s on a CD and have hours of listening delight? That sucks. I'm paying to get music and I get a lame-ass proprietary crap format that can't be read by anything but Napster's own player. That alone is enough to keep me from paying.

Content is slim - Apparently, the record companies get to pick what is distrubuted. They'll distribute the same crap that plays on the radio, and probably at the same crappy quality. You're better off routing your radio receiver to your soundcard, and you can do that for free!

Do I really want to pay a monthly fee for limited content in a proprietary format? Of course not. This is just a clever way for the RIAA to get it to fail so they can come back and say, "See, we told you so, It wouldn't work. They just want to 'steal' the music, and not obtain it legitmiately."

I'm dissapointed. I was one of the first to say I would pay to download music in MP3 (not proprietary) format, just so long as I can get what I want. It's potentially a great service that I think some people are willing to pay for, less than a dollar per track, and you get what you like! It's perfect. Or, at least it could have been. Now it's just the bastard child of the RIAA.

I hate to say it ... (1)

TheViffer (128272) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845281)

but why is this even on slashdot? (setting myself up to be flamebait I guess)

We know it is going to fail with so many other p2p clients available.

Nothing using a proprietary format ever seems to take off and even if it does is soon forgotten and forever shunned (.gif anyone?)

The time it took napster to get to go from what it was to this now has made them loose 100% of there audience, all who have moved to different methods of file sharing.

How about not one central source of files? What would stop someone from renaming a Rush Limbaugh speech at the local joy club with "Who let the Dogs out". User tampering could run wild unless some md5 checksum is built in. (the article does state some sort of finger printing might be going on, but could not discuss furthor)

What inititive do people have to open up there pipes for people to dl music from there computers? Seriously. Before the mentallity was that "since I take, I shall give." Now it will be "Since I pay, I have NO NEED to give back. Bandwidth does not not come cheap, and I sure as hell am not going to provide it so that Napster can make money."

Napster .. listen .. ITS OVER .. dont prolong the inevitable.

Ummm... (2)

xanadu-xtroot.com (450073) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845283)

I just don't undersatnd why people can't use better [sourceforge.net] Gnutella [bearshare.com] clients. Same thing [kazaa.com] . No restrictions.

Call me stupid, if you wish, but I just don't get it.

Re:Ummm... (1)

Maserati (8679) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845367)

I'm going to try Clean LimeWire [geocities.com] in the hopes of a non-crashy (Gnucleus) Free gnutella client.

Something to think about (2, Interesting)

The Cat (19816) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845286)

Before everyone dismisses the New and Improved(tm) Napster:

Free web content is only free if your time is worth nothing.

Translation: Sure, you can go get all the free bits you want, but the service here is:

1. Quality
2. Access to what you want, when you want

If those can be provided, then perhaps it is worth a small subscription price. There is an incentive (keeping your subscription current) for Napster to provide value. There is no incentive for some random URL to provide value, because without a purchase there is no value by definition.

However, this only holds true if the value difference remains. If Napster starts providing a substandard service, then it won't be worth the money to subscribe.

But I do think they deserve a chance, espeically if they will be offering smaller or new artists an opportunity to distribute their music as well.

Any mp3 forums? (1)

lucid journey (551226) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845296)

The reason napster was so good is because there were so many people online at any given time you had statistics and probability on your side. It also had bitrate search which was really great.. but now it's incorporated in other clients. Bottom line, napster had it's 15 minutes like every person/company deserves. Don't make it more than it was. I've tried quite a few services like Kazaa and Napigator and Gnutella and I haven't been able to find the few odd songs. I was wondering if anyone knew a public forum with quite a few people where others post requests and contact information for transferring songs. Thanks.

.NAP?! Ha ha, how gay can you get?! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2845306)


Man, that's gayer than the time Cmdr Taco made his mom shit in a blender and then jacked off into it and made his dad drink it. After his dad threw up Taco rubbed the vomit all over his penis and made his dog lick it off.

That's how gay it is. dot nap ... okay, maybe it's not "Taco gay" but paying for it sure is. Peace out, you. Word to the mutherland.

Napster should be called.... (1)

Ryu2 (89645) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845315)

Crapster, instead!!

Review of Pay Napster (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2845324)


An Anonymous Coward writes: "A beta tester for the recently released subscription version of Napster has anonymously posted his impressions of the new service. He finds it remarkably similar to the old one, both good '... browsing through a real person's music collection, sending them messages and recommending them new music' and bad '... broken tracks, cancelled transfers and a complete inability to stream or preview tracks.' The service allows 50 tracks a month, but there was little decent content to fill those slots. Messages to other beta testers found mixed reactions among fellow users. Still, the writer holds out some optimistism for Napster's chances."

Who's backing this? (0)

God_Retired (44721) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845330)

Really. It is obvious to EVERYONE that this isn't going to work. Napster has been replaced by Morpheus, Gnutella, whatever. Who actually thinks this is going to work? I thought investors were a little scared now. Nothing to see here, move along.

HitchHiker's Guide To Napster Review. (5, Funny)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845332)

Hurlig Frootmig, HitchHiker's Guide To The Galaxy Editor Emeritus of Megadodo Publications, and the being responsible for the editing of Ford Prefect's entry for "Earth" into the two-word mostly harmless, had this to say:

We've reviewed the 5000-word review at "http://www.mp3newswire.net/stories/2002/paynapste r.html", and, well, seeing as how there are a hundred billion other P2P file-sharing applications in the Galaxy (and at least a hundred on Earth alone), and only a limited amount of space in the book's database, we've had to trim it a bit.

"Sucks ass"

Who do independent artists sue? (4, Insightful)

Xenopax (238094) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845337)

Seriously, if you are an independent artist and your music is on napster your not going to see a dime. The money from Napster is going to the RIAA as a licensing fee for their music being downloaded, but what about you? Are you going to payed for your work? Someone in the gov't needs to look at this a cry foul, because now not only does the RIAA get to profit from their own artists, but anyone who writes something that makes its way onto Napster.

Follow this logic (0, Redundant)

jayteedee (211241) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845348)

and you may or may not agree.

Time shifting (record now - watch later) is legal. It's been upheld by the Supreme Court (Sony v. Universal City - Betamax case). So apply the time shifting principal to all media. If I have a friend who owns Shrek, I could watch it with him, or I can record his copy and watch it at a later point (time shifted viewing). I then apply the 'securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors' principal from the US Constitution. The current 'limited Times' is now appoximately 100 years....so I'll dispose of my time shifted material in another 90-100 years. So I'm legally using time shifted recordings for a reasonable and limited period of time. The only qualification is that one of my friends has a copy of something. But I've found plenty of friends. I also us this same principal when I rent a DVD ($1 at Albertson food stores).

The above has all the logical underpinnings of being totally legit, but only the time shifted viewing aspect has been tested at the Supreme court. The 'limit time' period is my interpretation, but I like to see/hear the thoughts from other people. Shoot I'll even read the opinion of the lawyers.

So basically Napster is providing a pay version of this, but there are other avenues, and plenty of them. Think iPods, Lyras, and other small portable and easy to connect storage. I actually stopped using Napster before they died because the connections where a lot slower than dragging and dropping to an external USB drive (I've only had 56k connections). So long Napster, we hardly knew ya).

Nobody cares! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2845358)

Morpheus is FAR better than Napster EVER was. Morpheus gets more traffic than Napster did at the height of its popularity. Napster is a dead dog. People won't pay. Goodbye Napster. RIP 2001.

Fooling the server (1)

YouAreFatMan (470882) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845360)

How long before someone figures out a way to get around the server by wrapping a .mp3 file in .nap format so the server thinks it's a "secure" file, but the mp3 can be extracted from it? Then maybe they would get some subscribers...

Common sentiment... (5, Insightful)

Forager (144256) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845369)

I know this is a common sentiment, but allow me to voice why I won't be subscribing to Napster any time soon:

If I'm going to be paying a monthly fee for Napster, I'll be expecting a certain level of performance from the service; even if I'm only paying $4.95/month, that's $60/year that I -- a poor college student and a member of the target demographic -- won't have any more. I'm going to expect Napster to deliver, and I don't think it is going to be able to meet my expectations.

The first thing I'm going to expect is constant uptime. The old Napster delivered this perfectly; I don't think I ever got a "cannot connect" message from Napster. However, even though I could always get on, the selection of files was hardly constant: at times I would go on and have millions of files at my finger tips, from thousands of users; other times I'd find a few hundred users with perhaps half a million files.

This is significant because of my second expectation: redundancy. When I search for a file, I will expect to have at least 20 different copies of the song to choose from -- thus enabling me to download the song even if the first 15 users give me the busy signal. I want to be able to download the same song (down to the bit) from no less than 20 locations; the more, the merrier.

This is part of another expectation I have: quality files. I don't want to download a copy of Nirvana's _Smells Like Teen Spirit_ only to find that I downloaded a 128kbit song that's missing the last 5 seconds -- the last 5 seconds might only be fade-time, but it's the principle of the thing. What if I wanted to download a song that goes straight to the last second with no fade-time? I want only complete songs, at nothing less than 256kbit encoding. People on 56k modems might settle for 128kbit (I always settled for 160kbit) but I have faster-than-god 'net access at school, and I'm planning on using it.

My fourth expectation is speed; I want to be able to download all of my files at no less than 200k/second. I don't care how Napster pulls it off, it's what I'm expecting (my basis for these expectations follows shortly). I expect that kind of speed at all times; 100k/second is acceptable at peak usage, say 6pm - 9pm, but at all other times I damn well better be seeing 200k/second.

My fifth expectation is to be able to download songs the day they are released on CD. I will expect to have nearly immediate access to all new music that hits the market. If there are going to be delays between release dates and availability on Napster, they won't be getting my patronage. If there are going to be certain bands/lables that I can't download on Napster, I want to know about it BEFORE I sign up; I want it spelled out for me in BIG, BOLD, AOL FRIENDLY LETTERING. I want to see a sign that says "these bands will be inaccessable to you: ------ ".

For my sixth and final expectation, I expect to be able to burn these songs onto any CD any number of times at full quality. Period. No exceptions. No DRM bullocks. I expect this to work this way.

I don't think these expectations are unreasonable. Here's why: this is no different from what I can do now.

At any given time, day or night, peak usage or not, all of the above expectations are met by the various file sharing programs I use. I can't always get a complete copy of whatever song I want on the first try, but I can download seven different versions of the same song in just 10 minutes to make sure I got my 256kbit, COMPLETE, error-free copy of said song. I can get these songs the date they are released (sometimes several days/weeks before). I can burn them onto 10000 CDs if I feel like it, at full quality, and no one will think twice. I can almost always find a host that'll give me 200k/second or higher (I get max out between 400 - 700k/second on gnutella, because my school has the fattest pipe I've ever SEEN). If any of these things aren't available to me under my current setup, that's fine; I'm not paying for any of it. But Napster wants my money, so they damn well better deliver. If I can't get something AS GOOD as what I have now, I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing and Napster will be $5/month poorer because of it.

I want to be legal about my downloading (not that I'm downloading anything illegally, of course ... it's all backup, of course, of course ... yeah, that's the ticket!), but if Napster isn't going to give me high-quality service, I'll go about my legal compliance by some OTHER method.

(Just don't get me started about LEECHES on the new Napster ... )

~A.

It's not dead... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2845381)

It's pining for the fjords!

Correct me if I'm wrong... (1)

cliffy2000 (185461) | more than 12 years ago | (#2845398)

But aside from the uncommon "rare-music-searcher," don't people use Napster so they DON'T have to pay money? Sorry... but people are cheap and this'll never work.
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