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Slashback: Games, Goats, Galileo

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the almost-valentine's-day-dammit dept.

Slashback 165

Slashback tonight brings you word on a games contest, an update to the famous spider-goat hybrid which grossed you out months ago, bad news for Galileo's last days, passable news for anyone following the David McOwen story and more. Read on for the updates :)

Make sure you slip this into the fine print of your consulting contracts. Adn writes "Newsbytes is reporting in a story that David McOwen, who was facing some pretty serious charges will be let go with a fine as against a much harsher fate. If utilizing so called "unused cycles" for the greater good is a crime (I know he was not charged for that per se... but bear with me here) then makes you consider uninstalling all those SETI@Home Screensavers doesnt it? Also a larger question...If the law (in these kinds of cases) operates on the 'intent' of the accused, what is the justification for even considering it a crime?"

Playing games builds your mind and your hand-eye coordination. Bill Kendrick writes: "The results are in for the SDL Game Contest held by No Starch Press, Linux Journal and Loki Games.

First place was awarded to LBreakout by Michael Speck. Second place went to Tower Toppler by Andreas Roever. My own game, Vectoroids just barely made third place over another asteroids-style game, Rock Dodgers by Paul Holt.

Congratulations! The full list of games is listed on No Starch's results page."

Guaranteed not to be your average Slashdot book review! Alex Chiu writes "Hello. This is alex chiu. I have written an online book at Teaching people how to communicate with God using I-Ching. This online book is free for everyone to read. It's at least 5 times bigger than If interested, please release this news."

You may remember Alex from the interview we did with him a little while ago -- truly a unique individual.

Flying blind and a long way from home. Vertigo01 writes: "According to this article on, galileo has encountered some technical problems on its flyby of Io and "for unknown reasons, went into safe mode" ... (sounds like my last Win98 install) ... flight engineers hope to restore normal operation for the duration of Galileo's life, but it looks like we won't get any more pictures of Io out of her."

Victoria's Secret probably won't put this on the box. FortKnox writes "Spider Silk is long known to be one of the strongest biological structure made (5 times stronger than steel by weight). Biologists have already genetically engineered goats to produce spider silk in their milk. Now, they have successfully extracted the protein and "spun" the silk. The next, and final step, is to mass produce the silk to be available commercially. Move over kevlar, here comes something better! I want to have the first biologically built house! I wonder how insulated spider silk is...."

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FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2859010)

Why is this just showing up now??

It's not cause of the Oracle thing is it??

Re:FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2859212)

gj fgt bear. k thx bye!

Oracle Thing (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2859255)

What's up with the Oracle Thing? []

The moderators are STILL bitchslapping this thread...

Any comment from the editors?

Break Out Gets an Award (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2859100)

ummm... There are 8,000,000 kinds of break out. It was an orginal idea when Atari was out. Think I can get an award for remaking pong, oh wait.

har (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2859106)

har har

Next thing you know... (5, Funny)

epsalon (518482) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859107)

They'll sue you for installing WindowsXP on company hardware. It wastes far more "unused" cycles than a mere challange...

Re:Next thing you know... (-1)

Anonymous Pancake (458864) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859156)

not as much as gnome on linux.. I think that thing requires a 1 ghz system with 256mb of ram just to run office apps! I mean common.. I can run those on my 486 with windows!

Re:Next thing you know... (1)

epsalon (518482) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859262)

I can run those on my 486 with windows!
And you can run a Linux workstation on a 386. I wrote "Windows XP" (aka Windows DRM), with the slogan "What does M$ want to do with your cycles today?"

Re:Next thing you know... (-1)

Anonymous Pancake (458864) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859625)


mandrake requires a pentium minimum!

Re:Next thing you know... (1)

FeeDBaCK (42286) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859773)

Mandrake != Linux

Spider Silk (1)

BiggestPOS (139071) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859113)

Even at Five Times stronger than steel pales in Comparison to Spectra. I bet its a lot cooler though, and probably more stylish.

Re:Spider Silk (4, Insightful)

SumDeusExMachina (318037) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859261)

Spectra? Was that intended as a joke?

I used to do some serious competitive sailing, and I can tell you that spectra is rather mediocre when compared to other high-tech synthetic materials on the market currently. It doesn't even measure up to Kevlar as far as strength or streching resistence is concerned. The best that comes to my mind right now would be Vectran, but it has been several years since I was in the field, and thus new developments may have ocurred as a result of America's Cup development and such.

Re:Spider Silk (1)

Phanatic1a (413374) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859745)


There are three main grades of Kevlar available: 29, 49, and 149. Respectively, they have tensile moduluses of 62 GPa, 131 GPa, and 186 GPa, and tensile strengths of 2.76 GPa, 3.6-4.1 GPa, and 3.4 GPa. There's also Kevlar Edge, but I don't know nothin' from nothin' about that.

Spectra 900 has a tensile modules of 117 GPa and Spectra 1000 has 172.0 GPa. Their tensile strengths are, respectively, 2.59 and 3.27.

Sounds pretty comparable to me, and I certainly wouldn't call it "mediocre." I also don't think Spectra is as susceptible to degradation from ultraviolet exposure, but I could be very wrong on that point. It does creep, though, which I guess could be a bad thing in sails.

All I can find on Vectran claims that its modulus and strength is similar to Kevlar-29.

your forgot this important story (-1)

Anonymous Pancake (458864) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859116)

dear Cmdrtaco

can you please explain to me how you are able to moderate all the replies to a post as -1 offtopic instantly? I think that under the terms of gpl, you have to reveal your code. Here is the post [] that I am talking about. Somehow all the replies (there are tons) were instantly modded down to -1. Please reveal the code you used to do this

Re:your forgot this important story (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2859244)

it's amazing how not one editor has addressed it (as far as I know). the silence is deafening. the moderation is a damning indictment of the corruptness of the moderation system when the editors have absolute power.

The only redeeming quality about slashdot now is the smart readers they have and when they figure how utterly manipulative this system is, then slashdot will be dead.

Re:your forgot this important story (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2859277)

can you please explain to me how you are able to moderate all the replies to a post as -1 offtopic instantly

...and they are STILL doing it. 1 hour ago there were 2 posts at +1, now all are at -1. Talk about petty!

New feature for the next version of slash: Being able to mark a thread as a "All Replies at -1", and all replys will stay at -1 no matter the moderation.

Re:your forgot this important story (-1)

Anonymous Pancake (458864) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859614)

look how they modded this post down -1 offtopic even though I post at -1.. what a waste of mod points!!!

Immortal people are going to die? (4, Funny)

Wizard of OS (111213) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859118)

Hmm, didn't Alex Chiu invent the immortality device? Doesn't that mean that people don't die anymore? Well .. he apparently thinks different now:

This I-Ching book is designed to allow you to predict just about everything: the death of a person, the exact time and date to expect a visitor, the rise and fall of the stock market, the presidential election, the out come of a war, etc.

If you know somebody is going to die, then why don't you give him an immortality device. Hmm, buf if you give him that, he won't die anymore, your prediction becomes fraud and the universe will then collapse into a singularity with infinite impropability. :)

Re:Immortal people are going to die? (1)

PhuCknuT (1703) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859164)

His immortality device didn't prevent accidental death, just aging and illness. Still a giant load of crap, but not really a contradiction.

Re:Immortal people are going to die? (3, Funny)

Alkaiser (114022) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859444)

I think the e-book's for people who may be too poor to get the money for eternal life rings, but still have access to a public computer terminal.

Re:Immortal people are going to die? (0)

bonzoesc (155812) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859796)

You don't need money for Alex Chiu immortality rings - they're free if you shamelessly whore him like I'm about to. Click my sig to LIVE FOREVER!

Misreading the site name (3, Funny)

InterruptDescriptorT (531083) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859123)

Heh. I initially read [] as, and I was just wondering what the market was for prank itching powder e-commerce.

Hmmm... now that I think about it... (goes off to register ;-)


Some say Netware is just like a wheel/ When you abend it, you can't mend it

Re:Misreading the site name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2859487)

Gee, I first read it as super-ch-ching. Bring in the cash.

Re:Misreading the site name (1)

tenman (247215) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859627)

hold on to that domain name... maybe vagisil will pick it up from you.

Re:Misreading the site name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2859651)

Better than reading it as superchink, like I did...

Bonus... (4, Funny)

xinit (6477) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859126)

At least Super I-Ching doesn't charge by the minute. Unfortunately, I never seem to get through to God - I always seem to reach some joker named Gord [] , and he's none too happy about the bad listing in the directory.

Spider Silk...this gives me an idea... (0, Offtopic)

Gavitron_zero (544106) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859138)

now all i need to do is get bitten by a radioactive spider, and then i can get the webbing from those dudes.... I will be Spider-Gavitron_ZERO

On the first one there (5, Insightful)

TheQuantumShift (175338) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859143)

Why should this guy's community service be "not related to computers"? If thats what he's best at, then shouldn't he be allowed to use his talents to benefit the community? What, is he going to hack the pentagon while streamlining the city hall databases? Or would this all make way too much sense to be in an american court?

Re:On the first one there (3, Insightful)

11thangel (103409) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859218)

It's supposed to be a punishment, which implies it's something you DON'T like. If he likes computers, this makes sense...

Re:On the first one there (2, Interesting)

TheQuantumShift (175338) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859387)

Then make him use an OS he hates... The punishment is also this: He has been arrested, maybe loses his job over it, and working under the watchful eye of an officer of the law is not something I think he would enjoy. My point is this, instead of just locking people up, why not use whatever skills they may have to benefit the rest of society. In my opinion, if you break the law, you're going against society, so your punishment should benefit society. I do think punishment shouldn't be enjoyed, and so maybe he should be forced to work the help desk or something...

Re:On the first one there (0, Troll)

billcopc (196330) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859434)

Well then.. he should have told the judge he didn't like being sucked off by hot teens.

"Please Your Honor! Not the cocksucking teens!"

Punishment: Teach cranky old people... (1)

simetra (155655) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859756)

how to use Linux! Or Windows for that matter.

Re:On the first one there (2)

namespan (225296) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859823)

Not to mention the fact that _some_ courts impose computer related community service as a requirement.

But maybe that's only in large anti-trust cases where the defendant is a corporation and has something to gain from their sentence. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2859146)

Hehe. Anybody have the domain registered yet?

lAmEnEsS fIlTeR gUaRd

Fort Knox should know better (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2859151)

The [] story was run a year ago!

I-Ching Web Design (4, Funny)

Tom7 (102298) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859152)

Alex is one fuckin' awesome web designer, but I know at least one of his tricks: How to get those awesome flaming gifs. Check it out at [] !

Spider silk has some amazing properties (0, Offtopic)

Ralph Malph Alpha (551824) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859154)

Just ask Peter Parker.

The Law (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2859168)

Your guilt or innocence in matters like this isn't a function of the intent. Intent is relevant when you're sentenced. The appropriate thing to have happen is to be found guilty, and then be given a suspended sentence. After all, he did break the law.

Re:The Law (5, Informative)

quincy_MD (529482) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859270)

Not quite... The law makes a distinction between 2 different classes of crime: malum prohibitum and malum in se. Malum prohibitum crimes are crimes that are (literally) "Evil because it's prohibited". There is no need to have intent to break malum prohibitum laws. Speeding on the interstate, for example, is malum prohibitum. Even if you didn't intend to speed, you still broke the law. Malum in se crimes are crimes that are (literally) "Evil in and of themselves". These are crimes like murder... To murder someone requires an intent to murder. To be guilty of the crime requires that the prosecution prove you intended to commit the crime. And I'm sure the "stealing computer time" thing is malum prohibitum.

this should be the real story.. (0)

ubugly2 (454850) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859172) 882&pid=2855882&startat=&threshold=-1&mode=nested& commentsort=0 this should be addressed

Wasn't this in the Bible? (2)

mshomphe (106567) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859176)

Something about many-eyed goats & whatnot?

Funniest quote ever. (5, Funny)

bahtama (252146) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859182)

Regarding the spider story, this is the funniest quote I have seen all day. Does he realize what he just said?

``The spiders unfortunately are territorial carnivores. They eat each other, and this has caused them to resist all forms of domestication,'' Turner said.

I can see it now, "Heel boy, now sit, stand. Now spin some silk into a shirt for me!"

Re:Funniest quote ever. (2, Informative)

Wyatt Earp (1029) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859365)

There was another funny quote about them from a couple years back.

"If you put a bunch of spiders in togeather, in a few days you are left with one big, fat, happy spider."

IIRC this was when the genetic alterations was being done to the goats, nice to see there's been progress. This has been a Army funded project for years, I remeber reading it in the WSJ back in the mid 80s.

Re:Funniest quote ever. (1)

ghmh (73679) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859781)

There was another funny quote about them from a couple years back. >

"If you put a bunch of spiders in togeather, in a few days you are left with one big, fat, happy spider."

IIRC this was when the genetic alterations was being done to the goats, nice to see there's been progress. This has been a Army funded project for years, I remeber reading it in the WSJ back in the mid 80s.

Does this mean we're going to end up with one big, fat, happy goat? After all, goats supposedly eat anything - how do they stop the goat eating all the silk?

Re:Funniest quote ever. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2859556)

> I can see it now, "Heel boy, now sit, stand. Now spin some silk into a shirt for me!"

This was tried, France, late 1800's or so. A group of entrepreneurs shut hundreds of spiders into a disused barn, I presume with the intent of fumigating later, and then collecting the webbing and spinning.

When the Barn was opened some time later, it was found that in the absence of other food, the spiders had eaten each other.

Oh well, back to le drawing board.

Re:Funniest quote ever. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2859613)

I wonder if this means the goats exhibit the same characteristics. Now that would be something to see. I can just picture the goats fighting over their teritory the victor munching into the looser and letting out a satisfied burp. The quote would then probably read something like this.
"The Goats are now unfortunately teritorial carnivores. They eat each other etc ..."

you know... for girls... (4, Funny)

doooras (543177) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859188)

i can't wait to see the bullet proof spider silk bra in the local Contrampo or Wet Seal.

Re:you know... for girls... (1)

ThatComputerGuy (123712) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859675)

Mix this up with fembots, now there's something interesting....

Did somebody say (-1)

Genghis Troll (158585) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859191)

GOATS [] ??

Unauthorized Software (5, Interesting)

Cato the Elder (520133) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859193)

I think the prosecution of McOwen went overboard. However, if you don't own machines, you shouldn't run software on them without permission. Increasing system load means the system spends less time in power saving modes. It does consume bandwith. Also, and I don't know if this was the case here, it can be damned annoying when not set up properly. When I was working to help administer the computers at a Math department at my college, the sysadmin for general computing stayed logged in and run Seti@home through scripts. Problem was, he didn't do a very good job, and sometimes two or more copies would run at once. They also seemed to take a perceptible amount of time to get off the CPU.

Finally. (1)

EggplantMan (549708) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859199)

They've found a use for goat milk. ugh!

Re:Finally. (2, Funny)

imrdkl (302224) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859309)

Goat cheese is pretty tasty. Although this milk might make better string cheese.

Re: Finally. (1)

V.P. (140368) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859618)

Goat milk is actually quite good. More taste in there than cow milk, and less fat than sheep milk. You got to try it!

How about the editors' mod bombing of a thread?? (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2859201)

Right here, hundreds of points down-modding wasted on down-modding people. [] come on, editors. have some balls and just admit it.

By the way, if this can't get discussed in slashback where can it be?

Re:How about the editors' mod bombing of a thread? (0)

bonch (38532) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859701)

It is being discussed in the journal entry comments at /

Bah-h-h-h-h (3, Funny)

Anomaly Coward (468493) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859208)

Bertha shouldn't be-e-e-e! Bertha shouldn't be-e-e-e!

Super-I-Ching and Alex Chiu (2)

efuseekay (138418) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859214)

Normally, it's a lot of fun to mock people like Alex Chiu. Then I realized that he is probably making tons of money selling his "rings" to clueless surfers. *Sigh*.

By the way, he will be coming out with your very own "One Ring" (Immortality Ring Ver 2.0) soon.

Forget body armor -- I want climbing ropes! (5, Interesting)

Rikardon (116190) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859219)

I want climbing ropes made out of spider silk! I think the smallest-diameter climbing rope is currently 9.5mm. Spider silk would be much lighter even at the same diameter; you could probably trust your life to a 3mm diameter (just guessing) spider silk rope, at dramatically lighter weight than is currently possible.

OTOH, can you imagine how freaky it would be to suspend your body weight from a rope so thin that you might not even be able to see the end of it?

Re:Forget body armor -- I want climbing ropes! (1)

doooras (543177) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859259)

i wouldn't be surprised to see 007 using that to infiltrate the russians or whoever needs some good spyin' on at the time of the next movie.

Re:Forget body armor -- I want climbing ropes! (2, Interesting)

Shade, The (252176) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859273)

It would have interesting applications for movies and theatres. Actors could "fly" about, and producers wouldn't have to worry about people seeing the wires.

Re:Forget body armor -- I want climbing ropes! (2, Interesting)

Atrax (249401) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859362)

You can get 8.5mm 'half-ropes' - you're meant to use them in pairs, but when in extremis they're employed singly for tough sport routes to reduce weight and drag. I did my first F7c (Hard UK E6 6b, not sure of the US grade) on one. not sure if it made any physical difference in that case, but it was a psychological edge.

Big disadvantage with this, though, is that the thinner it gets, the trickier it is to get into your quickdraw. I had length-matched 'draws with BD 'hotwire' krabs on them in the crux section so I wouldn't fumble the clip. A 3mm spider-silk rope wuld be very tricky to clip with - like using prussik cord. perhaps you could stiffen a section in the manner of the Beal program ropes to make clipping easier and the sheath more durable?

3mm - fine for topropes, no good for real climbing

Um... I prefer ropes that bounce thanks... (1)

ebyrob (165903) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859530)

If spider silk resists stretching more than kevlar, I don't see it being much fun to land a lead fall on onna those suckers.

Still, might make great sheaf material. No idea how this would affect diameter though...

Re:Forget body armor -- I want climbing ropes! (1)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859577)

if you get the rope too short, you'll cut your finger off with a swift jerk ;-)

hahahahah (1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2859223)

"" -- sounds like the site you'd
go to when you can't get rid of that damn jock
itch. :)

Tower Toppler (2, Informative)

Renraku (518261) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859226)

Tower Toppler was an Atari game from way back in the day. Dunno if the gameplay in the one mentioned is the same as the sourceforge one, but it wouldn't surprise me. I begged my parents for this game for years, forgetting about shitty pac-man or the Indiana Jones game that had no point at all.

Re:Tower Toppler (3, Informative)

SuzanneA (526699) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859391)

Actually, its a rewrite of Nebulus by Hewson. It was released on the C64, Spectrum, ST, Amiga, and probably others. I'm not sure which came first, probably either the Spectrum or C64 version (given that Hewson was a UK company).

Play Connect The Goats! (2, Funny)

Com2Kid (142006) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859234)

Imagine what would happen if a goat fed her offsprings. The silk could end up passing through through them, creating the first ever animal made leash! Since that would count as tool usage, would that mean that we'd have species competition? :)

Re:Play Connect The Goats! (3, Funny)

coltrane99 (545982) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859299)

A friend of mine once got home from work at Christmastime to her cat stuck on some tinsel it had eaten off the tree in exactly the way you describe. Not pretty.

now that you're posting stuff by alex chieu (2, Funny)

xeeno (313431) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859242)

Why don't you include some more kooks and kook science for us. I'm sure Ludwig Plutonium is eager for an interview.

Inviting trouble (5, Insightful)

Nathdot (465087) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859252)

I don't care if the latest breaking news is "Scientist clone new super species of hybrid shark/goat" or "Apple releases latest PC: the iGoat", know this, and know it well:

An article on slashdot with "GOAT" in the headline is inviting trouble



Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2859357)

i like men

Safe mode for Galileo (3, Funny)

imrdkl (302224) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859263)

Means that, at 100km high, perhaps one of those bigger volcanos it was going to look at took offense?

McOwen still got too much (5, Insightful)

Dr. Awktagon (233360) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859286)

McOwen used resources without permission. Ideally that gets you a talking-to from a supervisor, at worst it gets you fired.

Taking legal action against an employee for it is way overboard, and even 80 hour community service and $2100 is too much, considering he was fired from a subsequent job, and probably has had his life turned upside down for a few months (I believe he and his wife had a newborn at the time). The reason we should have a fair legal system is so you don't have to go through this kind of thing. What on earth was the attorney general thinking? Where they trying to meet some quota or something? Testing out a new law?

Anyway, glad to see things turned out all right, and he didn't have to go to court, where he probably wouldn't have had enough money to win the case.

Re:McOwen still got too much (3)

JoeBuck (7947) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859711)

Oh, nonsense. He was at a university, ,allegedly a center of learning. A good one would applaud him for his initiative: capturing otherwise wasted resources for purposes of advancing scientific research. If there were some reason that the screensavers caused a problem, then the right response would be to ask the guy to uninstall the screen savers.

fa! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2859287)

Hey, did anyone out there know that silk comes from INSECTS? That's just totally gross!

On a more serious note (4, Insightful)

epsalon (518482) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859292)

I wonder if they have been taking McOwen to court if has run something that could actually save lives [] on the department's spare time.
I think they just decided to use public opinion against "cracking" and made McOwen a criminal ("Look, he's trying to break codes [] on company time. He must be a criminal"). Sorry, not criminal, what's the buzzword again? Ah, terrorist...

Editors, act quickly (-1, Offtopic)

DavidJA (323792) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859336)

The post [] that you are attempting to censor has just gone back up to +2, interesting.

You had better hurry up and bitchslap it down again before anyone gets to read it

Moderation Totals: Offtopic=52, Flamebait=1, Troll=3, Redundant=2, Insightful=10, Interesting=36, Informative=10, Funny=2, Overrated=2, Underrated=4, Total=122

Lets go for a re-run (-1, Offtopic)

Mr Thinly Sliced (73041) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859422)

Hell yeah, I got bitchslapped [] in that thread too, so I figure, cmon editors, get bitchslapping this thread down, you've got nothing better to do, and lets face it, I've got nothing better to do either.

Mr Thinly Sliced.

Re:Editors, act quickly (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2859426)

Moderation Totals: Offtopic=52, Flamebait=1, Troll=3, Redundant=2, Insightful=10, Interesting=36, Informative=10, Funny=2, Overrated=2, Underrated=4, Total=122 You'd think they'd have run out of crack by now!

Re:Editors, act quickly (-1)

The_Messenger (110966) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859676)

I love Slashdot hypocrisy! If a neophyte chose to visit Slashdot on any given day, here are some of the messages that he would take away, thanks to the fucktard Slashdot janitors:

  • "We censor trolls in the name of free speech!"
  • "The MPAA is evil, but have you checked out this new Star Wars DVD?"
  • "Microsoft is lame and stupid, and have you played this new Windows-only game?"
  • "Windows security bugs are a big deal! Microsoft is evil! Linux security bugs are unimportant, and besides, no one uses Linux anyway!"
  • "Macs are dumb because they look nice -- oh, and check out my l337 g4m3r case mods!"
  • "The RIAA is wrong about P2P networks doing illegal things, and also I spend all day pirating MP3s on Gnutella!"
  • "Large corporations are evil if they don't respect the GPL, but please, violate commercial software license agreements in the name of freedom!"
  • "Large corporations are the Bad Guys, unless they're giving the Cheap Software projects corporate welfare like IBM!"
  • "MySQL and Perl are all you need! But, for some odd reason, Linux wouldn't be considered a legitimate business tool without support by Oracle and Java!"
Anyway, moderators smoke crack, but janitors suck dick. And unless Michael suceeds in his NAZI Castration Camp plan, there'll always be more dick. Taco and the luser crew and such morons. They're like pushy IRC ops, but without IRC ops' social skills. Amatuer wannabe "hackers"...

Whats strong? (-1, Offtopic)

The Pirate (551844) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859350)

Yarg, ye want to know whats strong do ye laddy? Have ye ever been to the back of this 'ol Tavern in the carribean called 'The Weeping Sphincter'? Well, yarg, let me tell ye lad, there be a woman, a whore really, whose breath is so strong, when she's done suckin' off yer 'little buddy', if ye be catchin me drift, it'll be 3 diffn't shades 'o black!

Ha, why once this little nancy boy rob, who we used to keep around for those long woman-free voyages, if ye catch me drift*, why he thought he'd try his luck with these beast... well, ArG! We had to get us a new nancy boy after that, arg... thems the breaks in pirating ..

* for those 'o ye who are a little soft in the head, we used ta rape him, while thinkin' 'o our mothers... yarg... brings a tear to me eye just thinkin' about it ...

Houses?? (5, Funny)

freeweed (309734) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859384)

I want to have the first biologically built house!

You mean, as opposed to all the wooden houses that we currently live in, all produced from 100% inorganic trees? :)

Strong, but Bulky! (0)

meggito (516763) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859392)

Well, Spider Silk may be 5 times stronger than steel by weight, but how much volume would it take up? It seems to me that one steel beam's weight of spider silk would be very large. And wouldn't the strength be distributed over that volume? So, I would think a projectile would have an easier time penetrating a few feet of spider silk than a few inches of steel. Thus, the pure bulk of this stuff becomes impractical for an kind of armory (which is why they most likely compared it to steal). It may, however, still make make a durable fabric.

Re:Strong, but Bulky! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2859522)

So you're thinking about armory and fabric. A bit Lord-of-the-ringish, but fine. I'm thinking about cables for a suspension bridge with a 5 km main span. Would "bulky" cause any problem? I don't think so, but you will need a lot of goats, that's for sure.

Re:Strong, but Bulky! (5, Insightful)

cicadia (231571) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859649)

Of course, the question then, is how long does it last, and how gracefully does it degrade?

A great thing about using steel as a construction material is that not much eats it. You can leave steel on it's own for a while, and count on it to stay pretty much in the same condition you left it. On the other hand, I'm sure there's been a nice little biological niche carved out by insects/bacteria/whatever that eat old abandoned cobwebs. I'd hate to see what would happen when they discover your bridge :)

Super I-Ching (4, Insightful) (236984) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859413)

Wow.. I was on Alex's website just yesterday. I noticed the link to the Super I-Ching sister site, and was browsing around it a bit.

From what I picked up, I-Ching is more a method of telling the future than conversing with the supernatural. Then again, I think the idea is that seeing the future and talking to God are kinda the same thing.

As you may be aware, Alex's main claim to fame is that he is the purveyor of the eternal life rings. These cheat death by stopping or even reversing aging. However, they can't protect from accidents, some diseases, being shot (how I'm glad I'm not American...) That's where I-Ching comes in. If you can see the future, you can avoid being shot or whatever. So you need both the rings and I-Ching to really be immortal. They complement each other nicely.

I-Ching is performed by throwing coins or something. (I wasn't really clear on this.) The results, as well as the time/date/year (on Beijing time) and maybe some other variables, go through a complex analysis. Future events, as well as vagely the time and place they will occur, come out. Those who are better at I-Ching will be able to figure out more. Oh yeah, and when I say complex, I mean it. It looks like learning Java was easier than learning I-Ching. There's 5 elements and hexagrams and bonding and lines and more fun than I can handle.

The most interesting part is how logical it is. It might not be backed up by properly controlled scientific evidence, but the method itself really makes sense if you let it make sense. It's just like getting answers from a complex physics equation.

So here's the moral of the story, children: Just because it makes sense to you, doesn't make it correct. People who can use this lesson include:
Politicians (Tax cuts create jobs! The economists say so, I understand it, it must be true!)
Almost anyone who argues about anything (Yes, that includes you. And me.)
Alex Chiu, the subject of the day. This can actually be used to understand his website. He wrote something down. It made sense to him, so now he doesn't understand that it might not be true.

</rant> ;-)

Re:Super I-Ching (2, Informative)

_ph1ux_ (216706) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859629)

I-ching is performed by throwing three coins.
The I-ching is the reading of the meanings of tri-grams. Tri-grams are made up of three lines - either solid or broken.

Each coin represents one line. Heads=solid Tails=broken.

So if you throw three coins it will be something like: heads, heads, tail (usually you predetermine that you are going to read the coins leftmost first - or something.)

so H,H,T would look like:

- -

and you would look up this trigram symbol for its meaning....

sometimes you would throw 3 times and look up all three symbols to get a more in depth reading.

Why Goats? (1)

bnavarro (172692) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859456)

What makes goat milk so special for spider silk production? I would have thought of two other scenarios first:

-- Genetically alter silkworms to produce the spider silk.

-- Genetically alter cows to produce the silk laden milk, since they would produce much higher yields than goats.

The article is a little short on details, and it makes it appear like after the spider domestication failed, they went straight to goats. Anybody know why the above two examples are inferior to genetically altered goats?

Re:Why Goats? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2859489)

Excellent question. After all, CmdrTaco should be an expert on why people go "straight to goats," especially considering his "domestic failures."

Re:Why Goats? (2, Informative)

Wise Dragon (71071) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859596)

I have years of experience milking and caring for goats and cows.


Are less likely to die than cows, and less expensive when they DO die

Reproduce faster than cows.

Can eat a wider variety of foods than cows

Are easier to milk than cows

Are easier to drag around than cows

Goats make less of a mess when they defecate.

The main problem with goats is that the milk tastes terrible. Some breeds are tastier than others, but I gag on most of it. Note that this is not a problem when it comes to spider silk.

Re:Why Goats? (2, Funny)

LabRatty (96497) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859692)

speak for yourself, I still gag on spider silk too.


Re:Why Goats? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2859628)

Why not giant spiders. That would be alot cooler.
You could even open a theme park based around it.
Arachnid Park. I could just see the law suits now!

Re:Why Goats? (1)

coyul (119455) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859831)

What makes goat milk so special for spider silk production?

From another article in Forbes:

Turner got the idea while teaching at McGill University in Montreal in 1992, after learning that scientists had isolated three spider genes that code for silk proteins. "It was a purely serendipitous find. The silk gland of spiders and the milk gland of goats are almost identical. Teats equal spinnerets."

The advantages of goats over cows are detailed in another reply.

hazards of research (-1)

peepoh (537606) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859513)

I work as a research assisstant for a Psychology lab at a major university. Part of my duties includes running experiments on undergrads. I had just finished running this one experiment on a very attractive young lady. Just when I was moving to thank her for her participation and show her to the door, she interrupts.

"Look, I hate to beg, but I really need some extra credit for psyc 101. If my final grade stinks as much as my current grade, my parents will cut off my allowance. Could you spot me a few extra participation points?"

"I'm sorry, I'm not allowed to do that." What a pathetic grade-grubber.

That's when the brat began sobbing and blubbering. "But I can't fail this class! I got straight A's in highschool! I'll be a disgrace! I -"

"Well, I'm sorry but I can only award credit commensurate with the amount of time you give us. I -"

"What if I give you a blow job?"

Did she just say that? I'd better come up with a generic response if I didn't want to come off soundling like a big pervert in case she hadn't just tried to bribe me with oral pleasure.

"Sure, okay."

"Ten credits, I'll even swallow."


My remaining disbelief disappeared the minute she unzipped my trousers and opened wide. "Little Bobby" was having a thoroughly good time, at first. But then I got a little nibble, and then another.

"Um, could you please stop biting me?"

" I can't help it, my braces only allow me to open my mouth so far."

Braces!?! This chick had braces? I guess The Castle Dental Center's advertised "invisible braces" really held true to their claim. Normally I would have avoided a metal-mouth right off the bat, but I'd been duped by The Castle. Common sense told me, begged me to abort immediately, but I've never been one to pull the pancakes off the griddle before they were done just because a cockroach had fallen into the batter. I was going to complete this transaction.

"ooh! ow! ooooh! ow-OW! oooh! ow!"

Five minutes later, the pancakes were done. My participant attempted to dismount, but something was wrong. My flesh was caught in her braces! I tried to work my pee-pee's way carefully and slowly out of her mouth, but she wouldn't hold still! Suddenly she jerked her head back and a flap of skin tore off. I screamed. She picked her teeth with her pinky nail, said, "Thanks for the credits!" cheerily and walked out.

I lay on the floor in a fetal position, my member bleeding, for an hour or so until a scab had formed. I get my dick cut up on Miss Piranha's maw of death and she gets ten credits?!? But she didn't have the credits yet - I had to award them! I still had control of the situation! Oh sweet revenge! Negative one-hundred for you, bitch!

SDL game contest downloads (3, Informative)

OverCode@work (196386) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859534)

The game download page is not ready yet, but you can find many of these games on the authors' home pages. I highly recommend downloading them -- there were some really good submissions. And by all means don't just download the top three. Almost all of the entries are worth a look.

Although some were disappointed that their games didn't win, everyone has been very polite and understanding. That says a lot about the open source/free software development community. It really was a pleasure to deal with everyone involved in the contest.

-John (one of four SDL game contest judges)

Great. (5, Funny)

emf (68407) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859631)

"I have written an online book at Teaching people how to communicate with God using I-Ching. "

Great, now God's going to get slashdotted.

More on WMP unique identifier (0, Offtopic)

Shadowin (312793) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859719)

In case anyone missed this story [] , there is a global unique identifier for every user of Windows Media Player (just about everyone who uses Windows). This can be used to track you with a simple javascript... not a good thing for privacy. In response, I made a little utility [] to modify that identifier. It changes it to a nice, little message for the guys in Redmond. If a lot of people use it, then it's not exactly unique any more. Cheers!

Until it is addressed... (0)

bonch (38532) | more than 12 years ago | (#2859720) d=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=2850660

Moderation Totals: Offtopic=60, Flamebait=1, Troll=3, Redundant=2, Insightful=11, Interesting=39, Informative=12, Funny=2, Overrated=2, Underrated=4, Total=136

Repost: first Slashdot troll post investigation. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2859801)

Mad propz to negativekarmanow tm [] for the following [] , as it is his work.

The last few months I have been doing some research into the trolling phenomenon on In order to do this as thoroughly as possible, I have written both normal and troll posts, 1st posts, etc., both logged in and anonymously, and I have found these rather shocking results:

  • More moderator points are being used to mod posts down than up. Furthermore, when modding a post up, every moderator seems to follow previous moderators in their choices, even when it's not a particularly interesting or clever post [] []. There are a LOT more +5 posts than +3 or +4.
  • Logged in people are modded down faster than anonymous cowards. Presumably these Nazi Moderators think it's more important to burn a user's existing karma, to silence that individual for the future, than to use the moderation system for what it's meant for : identifying "good" and "bad" posts (Notice how nearly all oppressive governments in the past and present do the same thing : marking individuals as bad and untrustworthy because they have conflicting opinions, instead of engaging in a public discussion about these opinions)
  • Once you have a karma of -4 or -5, your posts have a score of -1 by default. When this is the case, no-one bothers to mod you down anymore. This means a logged in user can keep on trolling as much as he (or she) likes, without risking a ban to post on slashdot. When trolling as an anonymous user, every post starts at score 0, and you will be modded down to -1 ON EVERY POST. When you are modded down a certain number of times in 24 hour, you cannot post anymore from your current IP for a day or so. So, for successful trolling, ALWAYS log in.
  • A lot of the modded down posts are actually quite clever [] [], funny [] [], etc., and they are only modded down because they are offtopic. Now, on a news site like slashdot, where the number of different topics of discussion can be counted on 1 hand, I must say I quite like the distraction these posts offer. But no, when the topic is yet another minor version change of the Linux kernel [] [], they only expect ooohs and aaahs about this great feat of engineering. Look at the moderation done in this thread [] [] to see what I mean.
  • Digging deep into the history of slashdot, I found this poll [] [], which clearly indicates the vast majority does NOT want the moderation we have here today. 'nuff said.

Feel free to use this information to your advantage. I thank you for your time.
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