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Fiorina Says HP May Get Out Of The PC Business

chrisd posted more than 12 years ago | from the corporate-brinksmanship dept.

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Mikelgan writes: "Interex (the global HP user's group) is reporting that HP CEO Carly Fiorina told USA Today that HP may get out of the PC business altogether if the merger with Compaq fails. Here's the story."

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And good riddance too! (-1)

ringbarer (545020) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861349)

Cheap knock-off products. FIST SPORT!

LINUX GAVE YOU THE FIRST POST.... (-1)

L.Torvalds (548450) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861358)

And Linux can take it away.

Volume One - A Reckoning
Chapter I: In The House Of My Parents

TODAY it seems to me providential that Fate should have chosen Braunau on the Inn as my birthplace. For this little town lies on the boundary between two German states which we of the younger generation at least have made it our life work to reunite by every means at our disposal.
German-Austria must return to the great German mother country, and not because of any economic considerations. No, and again no: even if such a union were unimportant from an economic point of view; yes, even if it were harmful, it must nevertheless take place. One blood demands one Reich. Never will the German nation possess the moral right to engage in colonial politics until, at least, it embraces its own sons within a single state. Only when the Reich borders include the very last German, but can no longer guarantee his daily bread, will the moral right to acquire foreign soil arise from the distress of our own people. Their sword will become our plow, and from the tears of war the daily bread of future generations will grow. And so this little city on the border seems to me the symbol of a great mission. And in another respect as well, it looms as an admonition to the present day. More than a hundred years ago, this insignificant place had the distinction of being immortalized in the annals at least of German history, for it was the scene of a tragic catastrophe which gripped the entire German nation. At the time of our fatherland's deepest humiliation, Johannes Palm of Nuremberg, burgher, bookseller, uncompromising nationalist and French hater, died there for the Germany which he loved so passionately even in her misfortune. He had stubbornly refused to denounce his accomplices who were in fact his superiors. In thus he resembled Leo Schlageter. And like him, he was denounced to the French by a representative of his government An Augsburg police chief won this unenviable fame, thus furnishing an example for our modern German officials in Herr Severing's Reich.
In this little town on the Inn, gilded by the rays of German martyrdom, Bavarian by blood, technically Austrian, lived my parents in the late eighties of the past century; my father a dutiful civil servants my mother giving all her being to the household, and devoted above all to us children in eternal, loving care Little remains in my memory of this period, for after a few years my father had to leave the little border city he had learned to love, moving down the Inn to take a new position in Passau, that is, in Germany proper.
In those days constant moving was the lot of an Austrian customs official. A short time later, my father was sent to Linz, and there he was finally pensioned. Yet, indeed, this was not to mean "res"' for the old gentleman. In his younger days, as the son of a poor cottager, he couldn't bear to stay at home. Before he was even thirteen, the little boy laced his tiny knapsack and ran away from his home in the Waldviertel. Despite the at tempts of 'experienced' villagers to dissuade him, he made his way to Vienna, there to learn a trade. This was in the fifties of the past century. A desperate decision, to take to the road with only three gulden for travel money, and plunge into the unknown. By the time the thirteen-year-old grew to be seventeen, he had passed his apprentice's examination, but he was not yet content. On the contrary. The long period of hardship, endless misery, and suffering he had gone through strengthened his determination to give up his trade and become ' something better. Formerly the poor boy had regarded the priest as the embodiment of all humanly attainable heights; now in the big city, which had so greatly widened his perspective, it was the rank of civil servant. With all the tenacity of a young man whom suffering and care had made 'old' while still half a child, the seventeen-year-old clung to his new decision-he did enter the civil service. And after nearly twenty-three years, I believe, he reached his goal. Thus he seemed to have fulfilled a vow which he had made as a poor boy: that he would not return to his beloved native village until he had made something of himself.
His goal was achieved; but no one in the village could remember the little boy of former days, and to him the village had grown strange.
When finally, at the age of fifty-six, he went into retirement, he could not bear to spend a single day of his leisure in idleness. Near the Upper Austrian market village of Lambach he bought a farm, which he worked himself, and thus, in the circuit of a long and industrious life, returned to the origins of his forefathers.
It was at this time that the first ideals took shape in my breast. All my playing about in the open, the long walk to school, and particularly my association with extremely 'husky' boys, which sometimes caused my mother bitter anguish, made me the very opposite of a stay-at-home. And though at that time I scarcely had any serious ideas as to the profession I should one day pursue, my sympathies were in any case not in the direction of my father's career. I believe that even then my oratorical talent was being developed in the form of more or less violent arguments with my schoolmates. I had become a little ringleader; at school I learned easily and at that time very well, but was otherwise rather hard to handle. Since in my free time I received singing lessons in the cloister at Lambach, I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal. For a time, at least, this was the case. But since my father, for understandable reasons, proved unable to appreciate the oratorical talents of his pugnacious boy, or to draw from them any favorable conclusions regarding the future of his offspring, he could, it goes without saying, achieve no understanding for such youthful ideas. With concern he observed this conflict of nature.
As it happened, my temporary aspiration for this profession was in any case soon to vanish, making place for hopes more stated to my temperament. Rummaging through my father's library, I had come across various books of a military nature among them a popular edition of the Franco-German War of 1870-7I It consisted of two issues of an illustrated periodical from those years, which now became my favorite reading matter It was not long before the great heroic struggle had become my greatest inner experience. From then on I became more and more enthusiastic about everything that was in any way connected with war or, for that matter, with soldiering
But in another respect as well, this was to assume importance for me. For the first time, though as yet in a confused form, the question was forced upon my consciousness: Was there a difference -and if so what difference-between the Germans who fought these battles and other Germans? Why hadn't Austria taken part in this war; why hadn't my father and all the others fought?
Are we not the same as all other Germans?
Do we not all belong together? This problem began to gnaw at my little brain for the first time. I asked cautious questions and with secret envy received the answer that not every German was fortunate enough to belong to Bismarck's Reich..
This was more than I could understand.

It was decided that I should go to high school.
From my whole nature, and to an even greater degree from my temperament, my father believed he could draw the inference that the humanistic Gymnasium would represent a conflict with my talents. A Realschol seemed to him more suitable. In this opinion he was especially strengthened by my obvious aptitude for drawing; a subject which in his opinion was neglected in the Austrian Gymnasiums. Another factor may have been his own laborious career which made humanistic study seem impractical in his eyes, and therefore less desirable. It was hus basic opinion and intention that, like himself, his son would and must become a civil servant. It was only natural that the hardships of his youth should enhance his subsequent achievement in his eyes, particularly since it resulted exclusively from his own energy and iron diligence. It was the pride of the self-made man which made him want his son to rise to the same position in life, orJ of course, even higher if possible, especially since, by his own industrious life, he thought he would be able to facilitate his child's development so greatly.
It was simply inconceivable to him that I might reject what had become the content of his whole life. Consequently, my father s decision was simple, definite, and clear; in his own eyes I mean, of course. Finally, a whole lifetime spent in the bitter struggle for existence had given him a domineering nature, and it would have seemed intolerable to him to leave the final decision in such matters to an inexperienced boy, having as yet no Sense of responsibility. Moreover, this would have seemed a sinful and reprehensible weakness in the exercise of his proper parental authority and responsibility for the future life of his child, and as such, absolutely incompatible with his concept of duty.
And yet things were to turn out differently.
Then barely eleven years old, I was forced into opposition for the first time in my life. Hard and determined as my father might be in putting through plans and purposes once conceived his son was just as persistent and recalcitrant in rejecting an idea which appealed to him not at all, or in any case very little.
I did not want to become a civil servant.
Neither persuasion nor 'serious' arguments made any impression on my resistance. I did not want to be a civil servant no, and again no. All attempts on my father's part to inspire me with love or pleasure in this profession by stories from his own life accomplished the exact opposite. I yawned and grew sick to my stomach at the thought of sitting in an office, deprived of my liberty; ceasing to be master of my own time and being compelled to force the content of a whole life into blanks that had to be filled out.
And what thoughts could this prospect arouse in a boy who in reality was really anything but 'good' in the usual sense of the word?
School work was ridiculously easy, leaving me so much free time that the sun saw more of me than my room. When today my political opponents direct their loving attention to the examination of my life, following it back to those childhood days and discover at last to their relief what intolerable pranks this "Hitler" played even in his youth, I thank Heaven that a portion of the memories of those happy days still remains with me. Woods and meadows were then the battlefields on which the 'conflicts' which exist everywhere in life were decided.
In this respect my attendance at the Realschule, which now commenced, made little difference.
But now, to be sure, there was a new conflict to be fought out.
As long as my fathers intention of making me a civil servant encountered only my theoretical distaste for the profession, the conflict was bearable. Thus far, I had to some extent been able to keep my private opinions to myself; I did not always have to contradict him immediately. My own firm determination never to become a civil servant sufficed to give me complete inner peace. And this decision in me was immutable. The problem became more difficult when I developed a plan of my own in opposition to my father's. And this occurred at the early age of twelve. How it happened, I myself do not know, but one day it became clear to me that I would become a painter, an artist. There was no doubt as to my talent for drawing; it had been one of my father's reasons for sending me to the Realschule, but never in all the world would it have occurred to him to give me professional training in this direction. On the contrary. When for the first time, after once again rejecting my father's favorite notion, I was asked what I myself wanted to be, and I rather abruptly blurted out the decision I had meanwhile made, my father for the moment was struck speechless.
' Painter? Artist? '
He doubted my sanity, or perhaps he thought he had heard wrong or misunderstood me. But when he was clear on the subject, and particularly after he felt-the seriousness of my intention, he opposed it with all the determination of his nature. His decision was extremely simple, for any consideration of w at abilities I might really have was simply out of the question.
'Artist, no, never as long as I live!' But since his son, among various other qualities, had apparently inherited his father' s stubbornness, the same answer came back at him. Except, of course, that it was in the opposite sense.

And thus the situation remained on both sides. My father did not depart from his 'Never!' And I intensified my 'Oh, yes!'
The consequences, indeed, were none too pleasant. The old man grew embittered, and, much as I loved him, so did I. Ally father forbade me to nourish the slightest hope of ever being allowed to study art. I went one step further and declared that if that was the case I would stop studying altogether. As a result of such 'pronouncements,' of course, I drew the short end; the old man began the relentless enforcement of his authority. In the future, therefore, I was silent, but transformed my threat into reality. I thought that once my father saw how little progress I was making at the Realschule, he would let me devote myself to my dream, whether he liked it or not.
I do not know whether this calculation was correct. For the moment only one thing was certain: my obvious lack of success at school. What gave me pleasure I learned, especially everything which, in my opinion, I should later need as a painter. What seemed to me unimportant in this respect or was otherwise unattractive to me, I sabotaged completely. My report cards at this time, depending on the subject and my estimation of it, showed nothing but extremes. Side by side with 'laudable' and 'excellent,' stood 'adequate' or even 'inadequate.' By far my best accomplishments were in geography and even more so in history. These were my favorite subjects, in which I led the; class.
If now, after so many years, I examine the results of this period, I regard two outstanding facts as particularly significant:
First: I became a nationalist
Second: I learned to understand and grasp the meaning of history.
Old Austria was a 'state of nationalities.'

By and large, a subject of the German Reich, at that time at least, was absolutely unable to grasp the significance of this fact for the life of the individual in such a state. After the great victorious campaign of the heroic armies in the Franco-German War, people had gradually lost interest in the Germans living abroad; some could not, while others were unable to appreciate their importances Especially with regard to the GermanAustrians, the degenerate dynasty was only too frequently confused with the people, which at the core was robust and healthy.
What they failed to appreciate was that, unless the German in Austria had really been of the best blood, he would never have had the power to set his stamp on a nation of fifty-two million souls to such a degree that, even in Germany, the erroneous opinion could arise that Austria was a German state. This was an absurdity fraught with the direst consequences, and yet a glowing testimonial to the ten million Germans in the Ostmark. Only a handful of Germans in the Reich had the slightest conception of the eternal and merciless struggle for the German language, German schools, and a German way of life. Only today, when the same deplorable misery is forced on many millions of Germans from the Reich, who under foreign rule dream of their common fatherland and strive, amid their longing, at least to preserve their holy right to their mother tongue, do wider circles understand what it means to be forced to fight for one's nationality. Today perhaps some can appreciate the greatness of the Germans in the Reich's old Ostmark, who, with no one but themselves to depend on, for centuries protected the Reich against incursions from the East, and finally carried on an exhausting guerrilla warfare to maintain the German language frontier, at a time when the Reich was highly interested in colonies, but not in its own flesh and blood at its very doorstep.
As everywhere and always, in every struggle, there were, in this fight for the language in old Austria, three strata:
The fighters, the lukewarm and the traitors.
This sifting process began at school. For the remarkable fact about the language struggle is that its waves strike hardest perhaps in the school, since it is the seed-bed of the coming generation. It is a struggle for the soul of the child, and to the child its first appeal is addressed:
'German boy, do not forget you are a German,' and, 'Little girl, remember that you are to become a German mother.'
Anyone who knows the soul of youth will be able to understand that it is they who lend ear most joyfully to such a battle-cry. They carry on this struggle in hundreds of forms, in their own way and with their own weapons. They refuse to sing unGerman songs. The more anyone tries to alienate them from German heroic grandeur, the wilder becomes their enthusiasm: they go hungry to save pennies for the grown-ups' battle fund their ears are amazingly sensitive to un-German teachers, and at the same time they are incredibly resistant; they wear the forbidden insignia of their own nationality and are happy to be punished or even beaten for it. Thus, on a small scale they are a faithful reflection of the adults, except that often their convictions are better and more honest.
I, too, while still comparatively young, had an opportunity to take part in the struggle of nationalities in old Austria. Collections were taken for the Sudmark I and the school association; we emphasized our convictions by wearing corn-flowers and red lack, and gold colors; 'Heil ' was our greeting, and instead of the imperial anthem we sang 'Deutschland uber Alles,' despite warnings and punishments. In this way the child received political training in a period when as a rule the subject of a so-called national state knew little more of his nationality than its language. It goes without saying that even then I was not among the lukewarm. In a short time I had become a fanatical 'German Nationalist,' though the term was not identical with our present party concept.
This development in me made rapid progress; by the time I was fifteen I understood the difference between dynastic ' patriotism' and folkish "nationalism'; and even then I was interested only in the latter.
For anyone who has never taken the trouble to study the inner conditions of the Habsburg monarchy, such a process may not be entirely understandable. In this country the instruction in world history had to provide the germ for this development, since to all intents and purposes there is no such thing as a specifically Austrian history. The destiny of this state is so much bound up with the life and development of all the Germans that a separation of history into German and Austrian does not seem conceivable. Indeed, when at length Germany began to divide into two spheres of power, this division itself became German history.
The insignia of former imperial glory, preserved in Vienna, still seem to cast a magic spell; they stand as a pledge that these twofold destinies are eternally one.
The elemental cry of the German-Austrian people for union with the German mother country, that arose in the days when the Habsburg state was collapsing, was the result of a longing that slumbered in the heart of the entire people-a longing to return to the never-forgotten ancestral home. But this would be in explicable if the historical education of the individual GermanAustrian had not given rise to so general a longing. In it lies a well which never grows dry; which, especially in times of forgetfulness, transcends all momentary prosperity and by constant reminders of the past whispers softly of a new future
Instruction in world history in the so-called high schools is even today in a very sorry condition. Few teachers understand that the aim of studying history can never be to learn historical dates and events by heart and recite them by rote; that what matters is not whether the child knows exactly when this or that battle was fought, when a general was born, or even when a monarch (usually a very insignificant one) came into the crown of his forefathers. No, by the living God, this is very unimportant.
To 'learn' history means to seek and find the forces which are the causes leading to those effects which we subsequently perceive as historical events.
The art of reading as of learning is this: to retain the essential to forget the non-essential.
Perhaps it affected my whole later life that good fortune sent me a history teacher who was one of the few to observe this principle in teaching and examining. Dr. Leopold Potsch, my professor at the Realschule in Linz, embodied this requirement to an ideal degree. This old gentleman's manner was as kind as it was determined, his dazzling eloquence not only held us spellbound but actually carried us away. Even today I think back with gentle emotion on this gray-haired man who, by the fire of his narratives, sometimes made us forget the present; who, as if by enchantment, carried us into past times and, out of the millennial veils of mist, molded dry historical memories into living reality. On such occasions we sat there, often aflame with enthusiasm, and sometimes even moved to tears.
What made our good fortune all the greater was that this teacher knew how to illuminate the past by examples from the present, and how from the past to draw inferences for the present. As a result he had more understanding than anyone else for all the daily problems which then held us breathless. He used our budding nationalistic fanaticism as a means of educating use frequently appealing to our sense of national honor. By this alone he was able to discipline us little ruffians more easily than would have been possible by any other means.
This teacher made history my favorite subject.
And indeed, though he had no such intention, it was then that I became a little revolutionary.
For who could have studied German history under such a teacher without becoming an enemy of the state which, through its ruling house, exerted so disastrous an influence on the destinies of the nation?
And who could retain his loyalty to a dynasty which in past and present betrayed the needs of the German people again and again for shameless private advantage?
Did we not know, even as little boys, that this Austrian state had and could have no love for us Germans?
Our historical knowledge of the works of the House of Habsburg was reinforced by our daily experience. In the north and south the poison of foreign nations gnawed at the body of our nationality, and even Vienna was visibly becoming more and more of an un-German city. The Royal House Czechized wherever possible, and it was the hand of the goddess of eternal justice and inexorable retribution which caused Archduke Francis Ferdinand, the most mortal enemy of Austrian-Germanism, to fall by the bullets which he himself had helped to mold. For had he not been the patron of Austria's Slavization from above !
Immense were the burdens which the German people were expected to bear, inconceivable their sacrifices in taxes and blood, and yet anyone who was not totally blind was bound to recognize that all this would be in vain. What pained us most was the fact that this entire system was morally whitewashed by the alliance with Germany, with the result that the slow extermination of Germanism in the old monarchy was in a certain sense sanctioned by Germany itself. The Habsburg hypocrisy, which enabled the Austrian rulers to create the outward appearance that Austria was a German state, raised the hatred toward this house to flaming indignation and at the same time -contempt.
Only in the Reich itself, the men who even then were called to power saw nothing of all this. As though stricken with blindness, they lived by the side of a corpse, and in the symptoms of rotten-
ness saw only the signs of 'new' life.
The unholy alliance of the young Reich and the Austrian sham state contained the germ of the subsequent World War and of the collapse as well.
In the course of this book I shall have occasion to take up this problem at length. Here it suffices to state that even in my earliest youth I came to the basic insight which never left me, but Only became more profound:
That Germanism could be safeguarded only by the destruction of Austria, and, furthermore, that national sentiment is in no sense Identical with dynastic patriotism; that above all the House of Habsburg was destined to be the misfortune of the German nation.
Even then I had drawn the consequences from this realization ardent love for my German-Austrian homeland state.

The habit of historical thinking which I thus learned in school has never left me in the intervening years. To an ever-increasing extent world history became for me an inexhaustible source of understanding for the historical events of the present, in other words, for politics. I do not want to 'learn' it, I want it to in instruct me.
Thus, at an early age, I had become a political ' revolutionary,' and I became an artistic revolutionary at an equally early age.
The provincial capital of Upper Austria had at that time a theater which was, relatively speaking, not bad. Pretty much of everything was produced. At the age of twelve I saw Wilhelm Tell for the first time, and a few months later my first opera, Lohengrin. I was captivated at once. My youthful enthusiasm for the master of Bayreuth knew no bounds. Again and again I was drawn to his works, and it still seems to me especially fortunate that the modest provincial performance left me open to an intensified experience later on.
All this, particularly after I had outgrown my adolescence (which in my case was an especially painful process), reinforced my profound distaste for the profession which my father had chosen for me. My conviction grew stronger and stronger that I would never be happy as a civil servant. The fact that by this time my gift for drawing had been recognized at the Realschule made my determination all the firmer.
Neither pleas nor threats could change it one bit.
I wanted to become a painter and no power in the world could make me a civil servant.
Yet, strange as it may seem, with the passing years I became more and more interested in architecture.
At that time I regarded this as a natural complement to my gift as a painter, and only rejoiced inwardly at the extension of my artistic scope.
I did not suspect that things would turn out differently.

The question of my profession was to be decided more quickly than I had previously expected.
In my thirteenth year I suddenly lost my father. A stroke of apoplexy felled the old gentleman who was otherwise so hale, thus painlessly ending his earthly pilgrimage, plunging us all into the depths of grief His most ardent desire had been to help his son forge his career, thus preserving him from his own bitter experience. In this, to all appearances, he had not succeeded. But, though unwittingly, he had sown the seed for a future which at that time neither he nor I would have comprehended.
For the moment there was no outward change.
My mother, to be sure, felt obliged to continue my education in accordance with my father's wish; in other words, to have me study for the civil servant's career. I, for my part, was more than ever determined absolutely not to undertake this career. In proportion as my schooling departed from my ideal in subject matter and curriculum, I became more indifferent at heart. Then suddenly an illness came to my help and in a few weeks decided my future and the eternal domestic quarrel. As a result of my serious lung ailment, a physician advised my mother in most urgent terms never to send me into an office. My attendance at the Realschule had furthermore to be interrupted for at least a year. The goal for which I had so long silently yearned, for which I had always fought, had through this event suddenly become reality almost of its own accord.
Concerned over my illness, my mother finally consented to take me out of the Realschule and let- me attend the Academy.
These were the happiest days of my life and seemed to me almost a dream; and a mere dream it was to remain. Two years later, the death of my mother put a sudden end to all my highflown plans.
It was the conclusion of a long and painful illness which from the beginning left little hope of recovery. Yet it was a dreadful blow, particularly for me. I had honored my father, but my mother I had loved.
Poverty and hard reality now compelled me to take a quick decision. What little my father had left had been largely exhausted by my mother's grave illness; the orphan's pension to which I was entitled was not enough for me even to live on, and so I was faced with the problem of somehow making my own living.
In my hand a suitcase full of clothes and underwear; in my heart an indomitable will, I journeyed to Vienna. I, too, hoped to wrest from Fate what my father had accomplished fifty years before; I, too, wanted to become 'something'-but on no account a civil servant.

SECOND postus. (-1)

Smack_Poo (167084) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861355)

with the mostus.

Re:FIRST postus [to the] SECOND postus. (-1)

Sarcasm_Orgasm (535390) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861469)

with the mostus..

Controlling your orgasm: A while back I started to read about something known as the Kegel exercises. Arnold Kegel, a gynecologists who practiced in the 1940s-50s discovered the pubococcygeal muscle group or PC muscle for short. The problem our doctor was having was trying to get women who had given birth to stop leaking urine. See, the PC muscle is how we control our urine flow(men and women), but another benifit is the ability to delay your orgasm better. The secret is working this muscle till it is strong enough to do anything other than stop the flow of urine. I have been working mine out for a few years now and it has gotten pretty strong. Once again, repetition and dedication is what is needed to get the PC muscle stronger. The cool thing is that you can do it anywhere.

hahaha first (-1, Offtopic)

metrix007 (200091) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861360)

yeeha

Carly's hot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2861403)

Powerful women are sexy. Hillary Clinton and Carly... there's little I wouldn't give for a night of pleasure with either (or both!) of these ladies.

You are a little shit. (-1)

Hillary Clinton (320928) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861434)

How old are you? 16? I doubt you even know what a stiff penis looks like.

Well I can show you, because I have one right now. Get over here and suck my dick.

Re:You are a little shit. (-1)

Ralph JewHater Nader (450769) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861444)

Hey Hillary you hate jews right? How about sponsoring a resolution to kill all the kikes in this country? Especially after that dirty kike Lewinsky sucked off your man-whore.

A threesome with two women is a bad idea (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2861450)

dirty kike Lewinsky sucked off your man-whore

Actually it was a threesome with Bill, Hillary and Monica. A threesome with two women in it is a bad idea, though. They're bound to start fighting over the man's affections at some point.

Bill is a faggot (-1)

Ralph JewHater Nader (450769) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861460)

Well, looking at Hillary and Monica, I'm starting to think that the threesome was just the two "women" fucking Bill up the ass.

Re:You are a little shit. (-1)

Hillary Clinton (320928) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861465)

No, I do not hate Jews, I hate little shits hiding behind a UID spouting off like he is a big man.

Suck my dick, you little twat.

Fuck off bitch (-1)

Ralph JewHater Nader (450769) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861472)

I'm going to toss you to the New York jews, you filthy unwashed slut.

You little piss-ant... (-1)

Henry Kissinger (323752) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861492)

I could crush you. Say the word.... you are going down, clown.

Kiss my jewhating ass (-1)

Ralph JewHater Nader (450769) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861502)

Go back home you stupid polack. They should have fried you in the camps.

Re:You are a little shit. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2861446)

Senator Rodham-Clinton, what an unexpected pleasure!

I love it when powerful women like you talk dirty to me. If I come over tonight, would you please tie me up and fuck me hard in the ass!

Hello you little bitch. (-1)

Hillary Clinton (320928) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861461)

Of course I would tear up your anus, I put the "rod" in Rodham.

btw, you will get sloppy forths. I am already scheduled with your mother, father, and Sparky (your neighbor's dog).

w00f!

I need you to have on hand: A roll of paper towels, a can of Ozium, a broomhandle, two bags of flour and a bottle of Wesson.

Hugs and kisses,

HRC

Re:Hello you little bitch. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2861468)

Sounds splendid, my fearsome queen-of-pain.

I hope your husband will not mind.

Re:You are a little shit. (-1)

neal n bob (531011) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861466)

yes

Re:Carly's hot (-1)

Sarcasm_Orgasm (535390) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861609)

Carly OMG she makes me cum everytime I brush by her. My fantasy is for her to have one strapped on under her skirt, and to make me suck it or risk losing my job.

fiorina also says... (1, Funny)

marco_craveiro (551065) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861361)

...HP is considering dropping computers all together and start a bathing suit factory in portugal.

HP, quo vadis? :-))) soup

Re:fiorina also says... (1, Funny)

digitalunity (19107) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861383)

I bet their made out of bulletproof silk milked from goats!

Carly Fiona will still have a job? (4, Insightful)

Bloodwine (223097) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861362)

I thought the general consensus is that if the merger fails that she will booted out.

While Compaq is trying to improve itself for the merger, it seems that HP's only game plan is the merger. Now that's some real corporate foresight!

Bah... I want Carly Fiona to experience some pain for what she did to the HP calc division.

Re:Carly Fiona will still have a job? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2861407)

That is it a question?

Re:Carly Fiona will still have a job? (3, Interesting)

rhekman (231312) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861457)

Compaq's Capellas is no saint either.

BTW, perhaps this culling of the herd in the mainstream PC market will have a positive effect on PC quality. Dell is adjusting to lower margins, Gateway has been hemorrhaging for some time, IBM's Personal systems group is wandering in the forest, and all the consumer PC groups of the top-tier manufacturers are beholden to Microsoft.

Hopefully a shake out in the PC sector will not affect the interesting non-PC tech these companies work on. Compaq's professional services still seem intact, though I'm dismayed of their ceding the high end server market to Intel. They're less of an interesting company since they sacked DEC. IBM seems largely unaffected by those pressures. HP's Printing tech seems to me hit and miss with various recent products, though such product floundering is understandable given how cheap the printer market has gotten. The demise of HP's calculator division is unfortunate. They also seem to be withdrawing from scientific computing and visualization markets. I suppose they will need a successful and well accepted rollout of Itanium products with an associated push towards Linux to resurrect themselves there.

The feuding corporate factions in all these companies in these trying economic times don't help either.

Regards,
Reid

Re:Carly Fiona will still have a job? (2)

King_TJ (85913) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861864)

Doesn't HP still have a pretty healthy medical products division that they haven't even mentioned?

I'm not sure if they're still building dedicated hardware for hospitals or not, but I know I've seen quite a few systems in hospitals and doctor's offices with HP on them.

Re:Carly Fiona will still have a job? (3, Interesting)

gorilla (36491) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861622)

Also the general consensus is that the merger will fail. They don't have the support of the Packard foundation (10% of votes) or the Hewlett & Packard family members (another 8%). The Packard Humanities Institude (another 1.3%) is "exremely unlikely" to approve it.

Re:Never mind calculators (2)

CharlieG (34950) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861683)

How about the "agilent" mess - she should be gone for that alone

Not good (1)

iceblueplazma (550439) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861367)

That sounds rather disapointing. HP has finally started to make some decent PC's and now they want to leave. :-( I think they should stick to it and keep making the nice systems they have finally figured out. Of course... thats just my $.02

Re:Not good (1)

buzban (227721) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861393)

I agree ... at least to some extent. we've been able to get some decent PCs at respectable prices from HP lately. perhaps the desktops and laptops they're making might be blended with what Compaq is doing, though.

Re:Not good (2)

dweezle (200818) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861426)

Everyone focuses on the PCs. Where the big gains are expected is in servers and services.

Re:Not good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2861713)

Really? I am one of dozen people at work that support a large population of HP laptops. One word for them JUNK. Actually to be more specific, they aspire to be junk. I will say that their kayak line (after they fixed quite a few things from a couple years ago) is tolerable...their vectra line (vl600, vli8's etc) are pretty good overall. I would say that we have about 4 or more omnibooks (4150's, 6000's,etc) in each week with hardware problems some of the laptops are the same one over and over again.
On another note, I think the better company is Compaq as far as name recognition plus their huge market into sans and other disk subsystems. Their server market is pretty good but what I think they are looking for is the HPUX openview, tried and tested app like that is worth money to those who don't have it available to their products.

Compaq & Hp flop (1)

GdoL (460833) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861371)

Compaq is ever strong on the PC Market and HP only can compute on the desktop market for corporations. Not the best market for PCs, on a time of economy crisis.

A few weeks ago I sent to / a proposal of news post , rejected, guessing that this merge could not succeedd. It seems I was guessing right.

Next time I buy a lottery ticket.

Re:Compaq & Hp flop (1)

RazzleFrog (537054) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861640)

The problem is that both of them are weak compared to Dell's hold on the market. Not only are they already popular both in home and corporate use but they also continually get played as the best PC's of the year by the Magazine industry (Computer Shopper, PC Magazine, etc.).

They are hoping that by combining forces they can at least cut some common fat (that would be workers to you and me) and try to compete with Dell.

If this merger fails, HP dumps computers, and Gateway stores continue to flounder then you will see one of two things happen. Dell will take full control of the PC market and be the next target of attack for the DOJ - or - people will start turning to the little local guys for their PC's.

Re:Compaq & Hp flop (1)

GdoL (460833) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861688)

But HP has a strong hold on printers and corporate markets. And Compaq with Digital has a big share of big corporate world. Don't believe that they would kill so much fat has you suggest, they are already very 'thin'. And the pain of put together so different cultures and ways of life could kill the merge, like a lot of other past projects.

Re:Compaq & Hp flop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2861731)

As far as we know, Dell hasn't done much, if at all, to invoke DoJ inspection. If it has, it is in their relationships with their suppliers who also supply to Dell's competitors (think: AMD and Intel), and suppliers who want to get onto the Dell bandwagon, but are rebuked.

All I've read is that Dell seems to have their business processes optimized and working well. Everyone else is trying to imitate Dell, and not doing so well.

am i the first post to call fiorina a whore? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2861373)

I would love to give her a donkey punch.

Re:am i the first post to call fiorina a whore? (-1)

Smack_Poo (167084) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861385)

or a cleveland steamer.

Re:am i the first post to call fiorina a whore? (-1)

Ralph JewHater Nader (450769) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861449)

Since this whore is the head of a major corporation she must be a jew, HP being a fully certified Cathedral of Zion. She must be gassed and cremated ASAP.

Don't call her a whore! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2861486)

I'd like to flick
Carly's clit!

pr0n anyone (0, Troll)

Merlin42 (148225) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861381)

So what are they going to do now? Maybe they should take a page out of the Enron book and start serving pr0n for playboy or penthouse.

HP & Compaq isn't such a bad move. (4, Funny)

standards (461431) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861389)

From my vantage point as an IT application manager, a merger between HP and Compaq sits well.

I'm not really interested in either company these days. Compaq basically destroyed itself and the companies it purchased. HP is doing the same to itself.

Their products aren't attractive to me (although both offer a couple cool products), and I have no reason to trust any service offerings offered by HP, Compaq, or a combination of both.

I particularly have to laugh at their consumer line of PCs, with the clear colored plastic which is supposed to make them "cute" like an iMac. Not even close.

So as far as I care, it's up to the shareholders. I guess the choice is to have one big sucky company, or two big sucky companies.

Re:HP & Compaq isn't such a bad move. (1)

LuserOnFire (175383) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861499)

I couldn't have said it better!

This move is more important to the people who own stock in the company. It will probably make people money with out even producing a computer!

In recent months I haven't had any good experience with either brand of computer. I think HP should stick with printing because they do that very well. And Compaq needs to improve quality or else it might be facing financial difficulties.

Re:HP & Compaq isn't such a bad move. (3, Interesting)

swb (14022) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861653)

We've had nothing but good experiences with HP servers and storage products, including the new HP-coinvented LTO tape products. HP service on their equipment has traditionally been really good. HP products feel like they were designed by someone and are well integrated. I know that the components are made by others (mainboards, RAID, etc) but they integrate well.

Re:HP & Compaq isn't such a bad move. (1)

HP-UX'er (211124) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861794)

I totally agree with you. As an Admin of HP products for more than 8 years,I can definitly say that their products integrate well, and their service has always been excellent.

Freedom? Yeah, right... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2861400)

From gnu.org (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/freedom-or-power.ht ml)

"However, one so-called freedom that we do not advocate is the "freedom to choose any license you want for software you write". We reject this because it is really a form of power, not a freedom. "

So, RMS should be the universal super-police that dictates what everyone else should do like how they sell/use/whatever with their OWN DAMN SOFTWARE?

Re:Freedom? Yeah, right... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2861412)

We are a free country but a citizen is not free to choose the laws he personally lives by.

There must be limits to personal freedom in order for freedom to exist at all.

Sounds good to me (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2861401)

HP getting out of the business leaves very few PC makers left in the retail market. You'll be left with Compaq, Gateway (at their stores), Apple (in both Retail and their own stores), and Sony (in 'select' stores).

Dell is still all mail order and with IBM and Toshiba beginning to transition what's left of their PC lineups over to web based orders as well, customers will walk into CompUSA, Sears, or Circuit City and will face themselves with two choices: Compaq or Apple?

I think this is a good decision by HP. They make a killing off of printers and cartridges, as well as scanners and other peripherals. With margins in the PC market severely low (unless you're Apple), this could be a good move for them.

What's left? (0, Flamebait)

Shanep (68243) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861406)

Was it all her doing when the Unix guys got the boot and HP calcs had no more future? Now HP PC's?

So they'll just be relying on the good old quality test and measurement dept then? No wait hang on, that's gone too is'nt it?

Stupid bitch, when is SHE going to get deprecated?

Re:What's left? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2861437)

So what's left of HP?

Carly and her army of lovers?

Re:What's left? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2861511)

they dont have test and measurement that left in the agilent split

Not what she really said (2)

dweezle (200818) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861409)

This seems to be yet another spin control move. This is not what she said or has been saying. I know, it's hard to believe that the press can misquote or be swayed by a spin meister but at least in this case it would seem to be true. From the inside this whole thing has been really wierd... and kinda fun.

Finances... (3, Insightful)

markmoss (301064) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861438)

Would you, or anyone else, know how HP's PC division is doing financially?

HP used to be a company that made good test equipment, sold it at the highest prices, and supported it very well (also at the highest price). Now that's been spun off to the bizarrely named Agilent, leaving HP with the low-margin PC's and printers. The trouble with making PC's is that the market is very price competitive -- you've got to cut prices to just above cost to sell anything. Maybe you can make it up in volume. Or maybe you let your expenses get a teeny bit too high, and you're losing money every time you make a sale.

Just wondering how HP weathered that change, from a "don't just do things right, do them better at any cost" culture to low-margin commodity manufacturing?

Re:Finances... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2861475)

It's in the annual report (try Yahoo), I can't remember the particulars but I think stronger than expected, still not as well as desired.

Re:Finances... (5, Insightful)

sphealey (2855) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861570)

HP used to be a company that made good test equipment, sold it at the highest prices, and supported it very well (also at the highest price). Now that's been spun off to the bizarrely named Agilent, leaving HP with the low-margin PC's and printers. The trouble with making PC's is that the market is very price competitive -- you've got to cut prices to just above cost to sell anything. Maybe you can make it up in volume. Or maybe you let your expenses get a teeny bit too high, and you're losing money every time you make a sale.
Indeed. The problem is that many good, solid companies were enticed/driven/seduced (take your pick) by the 1998-2000 period to believe that 100%/year sales growth was possible, that 150%/year stock price appreciation was sustainable and necessary, and that trees grew to the sky. As a result they made structural changes (e.g. "sell that boring old Test & Measurement Division - they only earn 45%) to maintain this rate of growth.

Of course, it turned out that trees don't grow to the sky. Bet HP wishes they had some of those boring, "slow" growing divisions back. And Lucent, and many others. Oops.

sPh

Re:Finances... (1)

Schmerd (83210) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861652)

If you're implying that HP would be in better shape now if they had kept the T&M divisions, I disagree. Agilent is in worse share than HP is right now.

Re:Finances... (2, Informative)

ninjalex (60059) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861782)

I think Agilent is in the crapper because when the spinoff took place, their customer service SUCKED(I'm not aware that it has gotten better, new job, don't deal with them directly anymore). Right after they split they wanted to charge the company I worked for $100 to talk to tech support, this on a signal generator that was still under warranty. HP has been getting by on reputation for 10 years now. People had to wake up sooner or later.

--Alex

Re:Not what she really said (1)

nuwayser (168008) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861448)

I think it's just an isolated, strategic press piece. Note that this was in USA Today a/k/a "The Greatest Hits of the News!!!" and not e.g. WSJ, NYTimes, etc. This way, HP, Compaq and the media get to play both sides of the story.


It's similar to the time when the media reported that the media was allegedly overreporting the terrorist attacks, or when the media reported that some stations were overplaying the Twin Towers footage. They'll find a story in anything. Genius was never so pathetic.

They'd get out of PC hardware anyway... (1)

AB3A (192265) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861428)

...With or without Compaq. That business is so large and it moves so fast that there's no way a combined HP/COMPAQ merger could keep up with it and still make a reasonable profit.

The real money is in support contracts for server software, and PC clients. IBM has already figured this out. It will be interesting to see if these folks can make a niche for themselves as IBM has.

If HP stops branding PC's (1)

imrdkl (302224) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861430)

Where will both of the customers go?

No more PCs == no more notebooks? (3, Interesting)

InsaneCreator (209742) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861439)

Would that also mean no more HP notebooks? That would be a real shame! I own a HP Omnibook 6000 and it's one hell of a notebook. You want one. Trust me. :)

Re:No more PCs == no more notebooks? (1)

carleton (97218) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861473)

Pleah. I have a Omnibook 4150 at work. Many's the time I've been tempted to use my ancient Dell instead. (And many's the time I've just walked out of office and used a lab machine instead of waiting around for it to do something. In fairness, some of this can be plained on various Windows, but the hardware itself has enough stupidness to tick me off)

Too bad! (1)

MantridDronemaker (541253) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861452)

Too bad about this, HP was making some pretty good PCs, well supported too- and affordable. They were good PCs for ma or whoever to own, heck I've even had one - just a little hard to upgrade very much.

Hope they still make notebooks though! I'm typing this on a Pavilion N5270 which I've always been very happy with!

Compaq's not so bad but it sucks not having HP around anymore!

Re:Too bad! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2861596)

Hope they still make notebooks though! I'm typing this on a Pavilion N5270 which I've always been very happy with!

I have to agree there, I recently had to find a decent notebook for (sort of) cheap, and the HP Pavilion series was the best I could come up with. I was quite distressed, though, to find out that HP didn't market that series in my region (Belgian section of HP) so I had to get it from France.

Definitely nice hardware, the software sucks, though: I hate those "recovery CDs" they deliver instead of your standard Windows/Drivers CDs.

No Dell for me, at the office we had very negative experiences with their support (Belgium, again), even if the hardware is nice.

Btw Sony sucks, Compaq sucks (the desktops certainly, sitting in front of one), don't know about the IBMs (too expensive, probably). Did I miss any of the big ones? Toshiba?

What'll be left of HP ??? (2, Interesting)

C0vardeAn0nim0 (232451) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861453)

printers and scanners ?

once one of the best R&D companies of the planet reduced to a mere peripheral manufacturer is not a god thing.

this Fiorina chick is realy screwing the company. I was trying to sell my HP48G, but now I'll keep it for the sake of the good old times.

Re:What'll be left of HP ??? (2)

dweezle (200818) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861497)

I still use my 200LX, bulletproof and still unequaled.

HP-48GX (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2861508)

I sold my circa 1993 HP-48GX for $130 on e-bay! 10 years old, and the calc could still outperform anything TI threw at it. How about that! Of course, the new HP-49G is about the same calculator as the 48GX (same processor?), just with more RAM. HP will still be producing it, just no more after this one. Bad move, but look at it this way. HP's calcs were the best for the professionals that new how to use them. The general public would look at the 49-G(and who carried them?) and then would buy the TI-92 because of its bigger size! Looks over brawn every time = Small sales for the better product.

Please tell me I'm wrong.

Re:What'll be left of HP ??? (2)

jamesoutlaw (87295) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861769)

HP makes a lot of scientific equiment as well, walk into any medical research lab and you'll likely see HP branded gas chromatographs, mass spectrometers and other such stuff.

What's left? (2)

ImaLamer (260199) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861459)

Printers? Scanners?

Good luck Fiorina... I learned long ago that HP wasn't the only game in town providing these products. To my suprise, other products are better.

I guess there are still millions of PC owners who only know Staples, Best Buy and Circuit City [etc] for their computing needs.

Well, they always have their faulty CDRW products.

Red Herring Article (5, Insightful)

Average (648) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861471)

Did anyone else see the Red Herring 'Open Letter' (not yet online, got the dead tree yesterday), saying "Quit Carly Quit" in no uncertain terms?

HP. HP had a powerful business. 'Scopes, testing equipment, laser printers, calculators. People paid for that brand name. Like IBM, no one ever got fired for buying a LaserJet.

Guess what, those days are *GONE* and gone for good. I blame Fiorina, and a lot of other folks do to.

does today's poll topic.. (-1)

neal n bob (531011) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861474)

count as irony - since the first amendment is winning after the editors have censored the hell out of the Oracle post?

If HP drops the PC business... (5, Interesting)

Rasvar (35511) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861476)

they might as well kiss some of their largest customers goodbye. I know that my company is planning on purchasing about 100K new pc workstations over the next two years. They are also killing off MPE, which accounts for about 600 $250K and up systems that are going to be coming end of life in two years. I would suspect that without PC workstations, it would be better for us to package deal with IBM for workstations and AIX servers instead of only having HP her with HP-UX. I think HP would be wise to give Fiorina the boot. She has wrecked that company.

Is she crazy? (1)

JoshMKiV (548790) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861477)

Can someone please explain to me what she gained by allowing that to print? I already know what she lost -- she lost all the companies considering moving to her PC product. HP life cycle for machine types is great, and they do a fine job of keeping an image alive across machine types. I just don't see why she would allow that to print if they are not 100% sure that HP PC's are done for.

Playing games? (4, Insightful)

aralin (107264) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861488)

The merger is her 'child' she will not let anything happen to it. She would go under with its failure anyway. So I think that these comments are made deliberately so it will seem as 'lesser evil' to do the merger and silence some opposing voices.

Re:Playing games? (1)

geschild (43455) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861697)

If she's playing games she better start to learn how to play because this is all the more incentive for Compaq to get out of this mess altogether and let the groom standing before the altar. Can you imagine what visions of market share the managers at Compaq must have right now? HP gone... All your bussiness are belong to us...

Fiorina better think up something else fast because she's not helping the merger. Not helping at all.

(asside: I think the two should never get married for a whole lot of reasons already given by enough other people.)

Truly Sad to See Such a Great Company Struggle (0, Interesting)

tealover (187148) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861505)

I saw a great picture in the NYT of the founders probably 50 something years back tinkering on some piece of machinery. These guys are legends and it would be a shame to see them go under. I hope they can right the ship.

It's just a tactic (1)

romey (259459) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861506)

The Hewlett family(i do believe) was fighting against the merger. She is saying this to make the Hewlett family back down, and let the merger pass, or loose the PC market... it's her hail mary pass.

Re:It's just a tactic (2)

dweezle (200818) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861550)

Well yes, both the Hewletts and the Packards have said that they will vote (15-18% of the stock) against the merger, leading to a really ah...interesting proxy fight. Better that the soaps. All news should be looked at as an attempt at spin by one side or another.

Good Move (1)

PoiBoy (525770) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861520)

First, I agree 100% with Walter Hewlett that the merger with Compaq is a terrible idea. Compaq has too many problems on its own, and HP doesn't need the challenge of turning two companies (HP and CPQ) around at the same time.

Moreover, consolidation in the desktop PC market is needed. With DELL whipping everyone's ass, one of either GTW, CPQ, or HP needs to say goodbye. Neither CPQ nor HP can really compete with the likes of DELL, and they both are bleeding cash on their PC sales. Plus, if one firm exits, that breathes new life into the sails of the others.

HP should stick to what it does best: printers, servers, and services. Those businesses have recurring cash streams. PC's are the real problem. It's too bad they spun off the Agilent (?) division a few years ago to focus more on PC's. A is a good, strong company.

Yes, Fiorina is out if the CPQ merger falls through. She's been totally distracted by the merger, and I doubt if she really has a handle on the existing businesses.

Fiorina says... (5, Funny)

alsta (9424) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861527)

...HP go out of business now.

I mean what does HP do if it doesn't do PCs, because we all know that Fiorina wants to get rid of HP-UX and all of that GOOD stuff.

Yes, that leaves flimsy INKJET PRINTERS! Cool. And digital cameras. Wait, they suck at those, so just printers.

Carly has successfully driven this company into ruin. As she did with her previous ventures. Why doesn't she just file chapter 11 right now to be done with it.

Face it, Carly has driven this company into ruin.

"HP Invent"

Name? (1, Offtopic)

johnburton (21870) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861532)

Any other everquest players thing of someone else whenever they read the name "Fiorina"?

Just me then...

there is no merger (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2861538)

Doesn't anyone read anymore? About a month ago it was reported that the HP/Compaq merger plan was scrapped.

Then again, reporting it here doesn't surprise me. I read slashdot for the sheer idiocy of late news and moronic user comments.

Stocking inventory on a sinking ship (2, Insightful)

filtersweep (415712) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861551)

PCs are simply too easy to build. Anyone can do it. The real issue becomes PRICE, and the big companies are caught between having the power to leverage incredible prices out of vendors, and being to big to move the product out the door before the price loses its luster.

It is a matter of time before there are no pre-built PCs at the mid-level on up- that they are all built-to-order and sold at the price of the components at that exact moment. I'm not going to make any quotes, but there is (obviously) an incredible level of depreciation per week for a PC sitting on a store shelf. Is anyone making money these days selling pre-built PCs? I know HP also sells built-to-order boxes...but who would pay their relatively high price?

As a bit of an aside: and this says as much about Sam's Club (I hate that store, they could do Springer auditions there... but I had to go there for work purchases occasionally) but I'd see these HPs that were at least a year old on the shelves... with their year old price tag (still at a premium). What an undignified way to sell PCs!

Both companies seem to have made serious blunders at its lower level consumer lines that would certainly make me think twice about their server/networking products.

Imagine a world with nothing but white box builders.... OK, that will never happen.... imagine a world where everyone just builds their own PC.... no, that will never happen either- not that it couldn't.

A (potentially) black day for the PC business (5, Insightful)

WIAKywbfatw (307557) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861573)

If Hewlett Packard were to pull out of the PC (note, big if) it would be the end of some of the best desktop and server products in the industry.

From their consumer, soho, business and workstation PCs (such as the Brio, Vectra and Kayak ranges) all the way up to their server offerings, HP have consistently produced top-notch products.

Well designed, reliable machines with excellent utilities (is there a management suite out there that's better than TopTools?) backed up by a professional and knowledgeable support structure have made HP PCs a dream to work with - as both a end user and a system administrator.

Sure, the printing business may be the company's major cash cow but it's its systems that really impress me.

I've been fortunate to have reviewed PCs from dozens of manufacturers, and I can honestly say that if I bought a PC (I tend to build my own) there would only be two companies I'd buy from. HP is one of them.

But let's be realistic here. HP has a massive installed user base, including many blue chip corporates. It's not going to abandon making PCs and those customers (many of whom will have support contracts that guarantee the availability of their preferred desktop and servers for years to come) any more than it's going to abandon its print business.

From the sounds of it, this is classic boardroom spin ("if X doesn't happen then we'll be forced to do Y") aimed squarely at getting Fiorina the votes she desperately needs to push through the HP/Compaq merger on which she seems to have mortgaged her career.

Quite frankly, if this comment was a serious statement of HP's intent then it would have been made to a more respected media outlet, such as the Wall Street Journal or a Ziff Davis title, or via a major press conference, rather than the less-than-heavyweight USA Today.

I stopped caring at a point... (1)

A_Non_Moose (413034) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861584)

once Compaq gave up the alpha to HP and HP in turn sold the IP/whatever else to *ntel.

Ironically enough I saw a blurb on the register (IIRC) and a few other sites that said if the "Q" merges with HP (rumor at the time) they would kill off the Alpha to the god of x86 (ok, I'm paraphrasing).

Guess what? Came true 2 or 3 months later.

Ok, I'm wierd for "missing" a processor architecture, but at least it gave us the EV6 bus for the Athlon before "Being Offered up".

(sigh)

Re:I stopped caring at a point... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2861716)

And for some reason, they're pretending at the moment to not want to kill VMS. But that's coming.

~~~

And CNET says she has VISION??? (3, Interesting)

Spencerian (465343) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861586)

As of this post, CNET News is running a 13 part article on "visionary" people in the IT industry. Fiorina is listed on this, as is Steve Ballmer of Microsoft and a handful of other forgetables.

Yet Steve Jobs, who critics and pundits agree has great vision and has molded and changed the PC community dramatically despite the fact his computer does not make actual PCs, isn't listed?

And Carly has been with HP for about 2 years and hasn't really made any significant impact there beyond driving their stock price down.

HP makes decent printer hardware (except that POS OfficeJet series, which I own) and its PC hardware (which I worked on for 2 years) is adequate, albeit unremarkable. Perhaps Fiorina's departure could kill two birds with one stone--HP's PC business (so they can concentrate on what they do best--printers) and Compaq (whose PCs are among the rattiest things to maintain in the market).

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no impact ?!? (2, Interesting)

Juju (1688) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861646)

Believe me, the bitch had an impact. Not a good one though!

Ask people who work there and you will see what I mean. Many people left because of the changes she brought... HP used to be a good company to work for, things change!

HP not doing well in the PC business is no news. It was already the center discussion of company meetings 4 years ago. HP at that time was saying that it could not keep in business if it was not in the top 3 (go figure why!) and it was already fourth at that time, and still slipping down.
It was making fun of Dell for being nothing more than a Pizza delivery company, and were discussing ways of getting back up where they belonged.

The only department making big profits was the printer division and the PC repair one (not a good sign huh!)

Anyway, I for one am not going to thread any tears for HP. The HP way, has become the HP no way!

Re:no impact ?!? (1)

alecto (42429) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861675)

HP, unfortunately, is just another company that used to make great products and squandered its good name producing consumer level trash. Such is life.

Re:no impact ?!? (1)

Juju (1688) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861792)

Amen!

But note that it was also a good company to work for, not just a good company to buy from. But then, there were a lot more of those two years ago!

HP was a great company (1)

f00zbll (526151) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861587)

HP started doing something completely different and lastest this long because the founders built a great company through years of hard work. Now CF has managed to take a great company and severely weaken it. That is a real shame and tragedy.

Then again, it could be part of the normal cycle and HP may survive this one and boot her out. I hope HP does not get rid of their PC division or their printer division. I love HP printers and have never had problems with them. I've had plenty of other printers that plain old suck and didn't work right. After getting a HP printer, I never looked back.

Who really knows what CF is talking about. It could be real or just political maneuvering. In either case, sounds like Ego is in play. I hope she retires, or works in some other field.

I hope the merger goes through . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2861631)

. . . because I'm really looking forward to calling the resulting desktops by the appropriate moniker "Compaquard Bell."

~~~

PC biz to save Printers (1)

ShelfWare (457545) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861656)

She implied that HP needs Compaq in order to save its printing and imaging business, according to the Jan. 14 article.

This is understandable. Xerox just dumped it's SOHO (small office/home office) printing unit last year. The reason: you can't make money on the printers, just the supplies.

If the market is saturated now for inkjets, then they are losing money if they are still manufacturing the printers. HP's have a really high quality, unless you are playing basketball with it. So people don't replace printers unless they want higher resolution (digital cameras). Now that resolutions are picture quality, the only optimization is speed. Who cares if the new model prints at 8PPM instead of 6PPM, it's not like you sit there staring at the printer while it works. You surf the web, play solitaire, or do your bills.

What's left? (1)

scharkalvin (72228) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861661)

Hp already spun off their test instrument divison into another company, if they get rid of printers and computers what's left? Why don' they just go chapter 11 and call it a day?

This scenario has played out too many times before. Heathkit stated making computers and was bought by Zenith, Heath/Zenith computer division was sold to Bull, good by Heathkit.

Before that MITS stated making computers, Pertech bought the Altair part of the company, good-by MITS.

We dumped HP for Dell 'cause of service (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2861677)

Where I work we lease all of our desktop computers - about 300 of 'em on 36 month terms. For a number of lease cycles we dealt with HP. The artwork on the motherboards was pristine, the cases were a snap to take apart and reassemble, and the machines worked well.


The best part was the HP service. Whenever we had a problem the HP field engineers knew how to fix it right, the first time. We were pretty happy campers.


Then HP had the bright idea to outsource all their service to Vanstar. The gorillas that they sent to fix our machines were barely A+ trained. I watched one day as one guy - who had brought the incorrect power supply with him - literally tried to hammer the new one in place, bending the crap out of the motherboard in the process.


After enduring this abuse for six months or so, with HP turning a deaf ear to our complaints, we voted with our feet. The next leases went to Dell. They don't have a nationwide field service organization either, but they're much more responsive than HP is these days.


'stoo bad, really. I did like those HP cans, and I did like the HP service folks. But HP doesn't stand behind the product anymore. When HP outsources the printer maintenance business it'll be interesting. Maybe we'll look back to IBM again.

"For the Record" from inside HP re these stories (5, Interesting)

SubtleNuance (184325) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861707)

For the Record
Posted January 16, 2002
The following memo was written to Embedded and Personal Systems (EPS)
employees from EPS President Iain Morris to set the record straight
regarding recent press reports on the future of Hewlett-Packard's PC
business.

Dear All,
I would like to wish each of you a happy and productive 2002.
I'm writing to you to set the record straight regarding recent press reports
on the future of our PC business. You may have seen an article this Monday
in USA Today which claims that Carly "warned that, should it [the merger]
fail, HP's vaunted printer and imaging businesses would be damaged and HP
might have to shut down its personal computer division."
This is not the first time the press has zeroed in on the notion that we
should exit the PC business. Rather than suggesting we exit PCs, Carly was
explaining the importance of the merger -- in the context of a range of
strategic alternatives -- as a way to fix our PC business. She was also
responding to Walter Hewlett's assertion that PCs are a challenging business
(yet he fails to offer any thoughts on how to improve it).
According to the full transcript of the interview, what Carly said was: "It
[the merger] allows us to fix our PC business. We can't get out of our PC
business. If I didn't care about laying off people, I could just shut it
down. But if I shut it down, I'd have to lay off a lot more than 15,000
people across two companies over several years. So, we have to fix our PC
business. And fixing our PC business requires volume and distribution
capability."
To further clarify her remarks, the 15,000 figure has been included in our
filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. It refers to the
estimated number of employee reductions of the combined HP and Compaq
workforce, which will total about 15,000 people. It does not specifically
refer to the PC business. The reductions are expected to occur during the
first two years after the merger closes and will be achieved through a
combination of targeted job reductions and attrition.
It is important for you to know that HP remains committed to the PC
business. By merging with Compaq, we believe the cost-savings from the
anticipated synergies and economies of scale will lower the cost structure
of our combined PC business and have a positive impact on margins. We will
also be able to leverage the significant progress Compaq has made developing
its direct distribution capabilities to create a more flexible distribution
model for the combined company and help us address this important industry
issue.
By combining HP's strength in the consumer PC business and Compaq's strength
in the commercial PC business, we will create a more balanced industry
leader. We also intend to create sustainable value in our PC and other
personal systems businesses by innovating across emerging categories and
delivering a new generation of connected access and embedded devices.
The merger also will provide important benefits to HP's imaging and printing
franchise (also mentioned in the USA Today article). By improving operating
margins in our other business segments, we expect to increase our investment
in core IPS research and development and new IPS initiatives such as digital
imaging and digital publishing - investments that are crucial to maintaining
our leadership in the IPS business. According to Carly: "Imaging and
Printing is not a cash cow. It is a growth engine that has to be invested in
if we're to capture the real growth opportunities in Imaging and Printing
going forward."
Our vision is to become a premier provider of the end-to-end solutions our
customers now demand. That requires us to be a leader in imaging and
printing and computing and services. It requires us to be a leader in both
the enterprise and the consumer space. PCs remain an important part of the
end-to-end solutions we provide.
In closing, let me thank all of you again for staying focused on the
business at hand, and for continuing to help HP emerge an even stronger
competitor when the economy rebounds. Here's to delighting our customers,
delivering results and beating the competition.
Thank you,
Iain

oh darn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2861756)

What will the world be without crappy HP computers that you can't get any bloody drivers for? I dunno how I'll ever live without that low level of tech support again.

Ever try installing a real copy of win98 on an HP?? What a nightmare!! It's about time they stopped making PCs!!

At least you can download drivers for Compaq systems!

Saw this coming (1)

nrc (112633) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861821)

Isn't it funny that it took this whole Compaq plot to make people recognize that Carly is a nitwit? It was seen as a coup when HP lured her away from Lucent because at the time the Rich McGinn management team she was a part of was seen as a big success.

Since then it was discovered that a lot of Lucent's "success" was based on juggled books and bad debt. But by the time all that was discovered, Lucent was spiraling down in flames. They kicked McGinn out with that most golden of golden parachutes, but Carly was long gone to HP by that time.

You can bet that Carly has learned her old Lucent management lessons well, and in between Power Point presentations about how gutting the company of technical expertise is going to save billions and inspirational talks about how the merger is good and the old HP is bad, she's carefully packing that parachute.

No money. (4, Insightful)

IGnatius T Foobar (4328) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861843)

The problem with the PC business is that nobody makes any real money from PC's except for Intel and Microsoft. It's a perfect picture of the problem with commodity vs. non-commodity equipment. People consider PC's to be commodity hardware, but that's not the case. A PC is built mostly with commodity hardware -- everything except the CPU and the operating system. Uncoincidentally, the makers of those two components are the only ones able to set their price points high enough to make any real money. (One has some decent competition, and therefore can't set their prices too high... the other has a monopoly and can set their prices outrageously high.)

This is why the fall of the MS monopoly is inevitable. Once the market realizes that the OS can be commoditized as well, Microsoft will be lucky to keep any of the low end at all. Why sell a $500 computer containing a $100 operating system, when you can sell a $400 computer with a free one?

Quite Unfortunate (2)

UserChrisCanter4 (464072) | more than 12 years ago | (#2861847)

HP was the last half-way decent retail computer a consumer could buy. No, I'm not talking about Dell, because a lot of less technically experienced people don't feel comfortable ordering their computer over the phone/internet.

I sell computers at Circuit City. It's a pretty good way to pay my way through school. If you walk into any retail store (Circuit City, Best Buy, CompUSA, etc.), you'll see four major desktop brands: HP, Sony, Compaq, and E-Machines. Most stores will usually have one or two more laptop brands (usually Toshiba and possibly Fujitsu). For desktops, HP is the only one of those brands listed that's even halfway decent. Compaq's Presarios are heavily integrated, cut-$2-off-this-win-modem-price pieces of crap. A lot of semi-savvy customers refuse to buy Compaq because of their previous experiences with them (it didn't help that their Presario line used to use proprietary RAM upgrades, either). E-Machines are shoddily assembled completely integrated computers with one thought in mind: Price. Which works well for folks who need a $400 or $500 computer package, but it won't do much for them. Sony's build quality is at least decent, but their occasional use of proprietary equipment, and their (usually) higher price relative to similarly equipped Desktops usually precludes them from the running. And don't get me started on the fact that they phased out last year's models (SDRAM-based P4 units) in mid-November and haven't supplied their retail partners with 845 chipset-based units yet.

That leaves good ol' reliable HP. Their PCs always use industry standard equipment, and the build quality on their desktops is very nice. Yeah, they charge a little bit too much for their monitors, but their inkjets are the best in the business (yeah, we techs sneer at inkjets, but you'd be surprised how much most folks like them).

Well, here's to hoping that this doesn't happen. Pavillion PCs will be sorely missed at my store.

Fiorina's desperate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2861851)


She sounds more and more desperate every passing day. She's now openly resorting to threats and bribes to get away with the merger. Does she really expect to keep the job if the merger falls through, anyway?
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