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AOL in Negotiations to Buy Red Hat?

michael posted more than 12 years ago | from the drm-coming-to-rpm dept.

Red Hat Software 950

bstadil sent in this rumor. The Washington Post isn't exactly a rumor site, so there's probably truth behind it. Wow. It would make a great deal of sense for AOL/Time-Warner to acquire an operating system for leverage against Microsoft - same reason they bought Netscape.

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fp (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2866427)

fp

FUCK CMDRTACO

I claim this FP!! (-1)

Big_Ass_Spork (446856) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866464)

Bitchslap it baby!!
* g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x *
g g
o / \ \ / \ o
a \ a
t `. : t
s` \ s
e \ / / \\\ -- \\ : e
x \ \/ --~~ ~-- \ x
* \ \-~ ~-\ *
g \ \ .--------.___\ g
o \ \// ((> \ o
a \ . C ) ((> / a
t /\ C )/ \ (> / t
s / /\ C) (> / \ s
e ( C__)\___/ // _/ / \ e
x \ \\// (/ x
* \ \) `---- --' *
g \ \ / / g
o / \ o
a / \ \ a
t / / \ t
s / / \/\/ s
e / e
x x
* g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x *
#!/usr/bin/perl -w
# This code is a part of Slash, and is released under the GPL.
# Copyright 1997-2002 by Open Source Development Network. See README
# and COPYING for more information, or see http://slashcode.com/.
# $Id: bitchslap,v 1.3 2002/01/08 17:22:09 pudge Exp $
use strict;
use File::Basename;
use FindBin '$Bin';
use Getopt::Std;
use Slash::Utility;
use Slash::DB;
(my $VERSION) = ' $Revision: 1.3 $ ' =~ /\$Revision:\s+([^\s]+)/;
my $PROGNAME = basename($0);
(my $PREFIX = $Bin) =~ s|/[^/]+/?$||;
my %opts;
# Remember to doublecheck these match usage()!
usage('Options used incorrectly') unless getopts('hvu:', \%opts);
usage() if ($opts{'h'} || !keys %opts);
usage('Please specify a list of User IDs') if (! scalar @ARGV);
version() if $opts{'v'};
$opts{'u'} ||= 'slash';
# We turn off warnings here because it's distracting.
$^W = 0; createEnvironment($opts{'u'}); $^W = 1;
my $slashdb = getCurrentDB();
my $constants = getCurrentStatic();
# main program logic (in braces to offset nicely)
{
for (@ARGV) {
my $user = $slashdb->getUser($_);
if (! $user) {
print "User ID#$_ is invalid.\n";
next;
}
unless ($opts{'f'}) {
die {karma} > 10;
User $_ has a karma of $user->{karma}. Slap aborted. Use -f to forcibly slap.
ERR
}
print "Bitch Slapping #$_...\n";
print "Karma Reduced\n";
print "Default Score Reduced\n";
$slashdb->setUser($_, {
-karma => $constants->{badkarma},
-defaultpoints => -1,
});
print "ALL live comments moderated down\n\n";
$slashdb->sqlDo("UPDATE comments SET points=-1,reason=1 WHERE uid=$_");
}
}
sub usage {
print "*** $_[0]\n" if $_[0];
# Remember to doublecheck these match getopts()!
print
Usage: $PROGNAME [OPTIONS] ... [UIDs]
SHORT PROGRAM DESCRIPTION
Main options:
-h Help (this message)
-v Version
-u Virtual user (default is "slash")
-f Force slap.
[UIDs] Space separated list of IDs to slap.
EOT
exit;
}
sub version {
print
$PROGNAME $VERSION
This code is a part of Slash, and is released under the GPL.
Copyright 1997-2002 by Open Source Development Network. See README
and COPYING for more information, or see http://slashcode.com/.
EOT
exit;
}
__END__

Re:fp (-1)

Super Mario Troll (542762) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866522)

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More jewish schemes (-1)

Ralph JewHater Nader (450769) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866550)

Well, it looks like the Zionist interests are moving into the linux domain now. Better run while you can before they suck you dry.

Why, It's free already? (5, Funny)

cide1 (126814) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866430)

Isnt this the beauty of the GPL, AOL already has the full source to RedHat.

Re:Why, It's free already? (3, Insightful)

jonnyq (103252) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866455)

yeah, but they don't have the ability to influence the direction that the company is heading.

Re:Why, It's free already? (5, Insightful)

gorillasoft (463718) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866461)

Isnt this the beauty of the GPL, AOL already has the full source to RedHat.

They acquire the talent, the distribution, and the brand recognition all in one move. It would save them money in the long run versus hiring knowledgeable people and creating a distro to capture the market share redhat already has.

It just makes more sense (for a large conglomerate) when moving into a new market to buy an established company than it does to start your own division that knows nothing about the new market and spend time playing catch-up. They can spend those resources instead on going where they want to go from the established base.

Re:Why, It's free already? (5, Insightful)

danheskett (178529) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866463)

But it doesnt but the programming talent or good name of a company.

The GPL is a good start - but if you want to control future development the only way to effectively do that is either hire some programming staff or buy the company.

Buying the company is usually cheaper.

Why, It's free already? <-- WRONG!!! (-1)

Big_Ass_Spork (446856) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866486)

Bitchslap it baby!!
* g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x *
g g
o / \ \ / \ o
a \ a
t `. : t
s` \ s
e \ / / \\\ -- \\ : e
x \ \/ --~~ ~-- \ x
* \ \-~ ~-\ *
g \ \ .--------.___\ g
o \ \// ((> \ o
a \ . C ) ((> / a
t /\ C )/ \ (> / t
s / /\ C) (> / \ s
e ( C__)\___/ // _/ / \ e
x \ \\// (/ x
* \ \) `---- --' *
g \ \ / / g
o / \ o
a / \ \ a
t / / \ t
s / / \/\/ s
e / e
x x
* g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x *
#!/usr/bin/perl -w
# This code is a part of Slash, and is released under the GPL.
# Copyright 1997-2002 by Open Source Development Network. See README
# and COPYING for more information, or see http://slashcode.com/.
# $Id: bitchslap,v 1.3 2002/01/08 17:22:09 pudge Exp $
use strict;
use File::Basename;
use FindBin '$Bin';
use Getopt::Std;
use Slash::Utility;
use Slash::DB;
(my $VERSION) = ' $Revision: 1.3 $ ' =~ /\$Revision:\s+([^\s]+)/;
my $PROGNAME = basename($0);
(my $PREFIX = $Bin) =~ s|/[^/]+/?$||;
my %opts;
# Remember to doublecheck these match usage()!
usage('Options used incorrectly') unless getopts('hvu:', \%opts);
usage() if ($opts{'h'} || !keys %opts);
usage('Please specify a list of User IDs') if (! scalar @ARGV);
version() if $opts{'v'};
$opts{'u'} ||= 'slash';
# We turn off warnings here because it's distracting.
$^W = 0; createEnvironment($opts{'u'}); $^W = 1;
my $slashdb = getCurrentDB();
my $constants = getCurrentStatic();
# main program logic (in braces to offset nicely)
{
for (@ARGV) {
my $user = $slashdb->getUser($_);
if (! $user) {
print "User ID#$_ is invalid.\n";
next;
}
unless ($opts{'f'}) {
die {karma} > 10;
User $_ has a karma of $user->{karma}. Slap aborted. Use -f to forcibly slap.
ERR
}
print "Bitch Slapping #$_...\n";
print "Karma Reduced\n";
print "Default Score Reduced\n";
$slashdb->setUser($_, {
-karma => $constants->{badkarma},
-defaultpoints => -1,
});
print "ALL live comments moderated down\n\n";
$slashdb->sqlDo("UPDATE comments SET points=-1,reason=1 WHERE uid=$_");
}
}
sub usage {
print "*** $_[0]\n" if $_[0];
# Remember to doublecheck these match getopts()!
print
Usage: $PROGNAME [OPTIONS] ... [UIDs]
SHORT PROGRAM DESCRIPTION
Main options:
-h Help (this message)
-v Version
-u Virtual user (default is "slash")
-f Force slap.
[UIDs] Space separated list of IDs to slap.
EOT
exit;
}
sub version {
print
$PROGNAME $VERSION
This code is a part of Slash, and is released under the GPL.
Copyright 1997-2002 by Open Source Development Network. See README
and COPYING for more information, or see http://slashcode.com/.
EOT
exit;
}
__END__

Same thing as Netscape, eh? (1, Funny)

saviorsloth (467974) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866431)

Somehow, that does not reassure me. At all.

Same thing as Netscape, eh? <-- WRONG!! (-1)

Big_Ass_Spork (446856) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866497)

Bitchslap it baby!!
* g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x *
g g
o / \ \ / \ o
a \ a
t `. : t
s` \ s
e \ / / \\\ -- \\ : e
x \ \/ --~~ ~-- \ x
* \ \-~ ~-\ *
g \ \ .--------.___\ g
o \ \// ((> \ o
a \ . C ) ((> / a
t /\ C )/ \ (> / t
s / /\ C) (> / \ s
e ( C__)\___/ // _/ / \ e
x \ \\// (/ x
* \ \) `---- --' *
g \ \ / / g
o / \ o
a / \ \ a
t / / \ t
s / / \/\/ s
e / e
x x
* g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x * g o a t s e x *
#!/usr/bin/perl -w
# This code is a part of Slash, and is released under the GPL.
# Copyright 1997-2002 by Open Source Development Network. See README
# and COPYING for more information, or see http://slashcode.com/.
# $Id: bitchslap,v 1.3 2002/01/08 17:22:09 pudge Exp $
use strict;
use File::Basename;
use FindBin '$Bin';
use Getopt::Std;
use Slash::Utility;
use Slash::DB;
(my $VERSION) = ' $Revision: 1.3 $ ' =~ /\$Revision:\s+([^\s]+)/;
my $PROGNAME = basename($0);
(my $PREFIX = $Bin) =~ s|/[^/]+/?$||;
my %opts;
# Remember to doublecheck these match usage()!
usage('Options used incorrectly') unless getopts('hvu:', \%opts);
usage() if ($opts{'h'} || !keys %opts);
usage('Please specify a list of User IDs') if (! scalar @ARGV);
version() if $opts{'v'};
$opts{'u'} ||= 'slash';
# We turn off warnings here because it's distracting.
$^W = 0; createEnvironment($opts{'u'}); $^W = 1;
my $slashdb = getCurrentDB();
my $constants = getCurrentStatic();
# main program logic (in braces to offset nicely)
{
for (@ARGV) {
my $user = $slashdb->getUser($_);
if (! $user) {
print "User ID#$_ is invalid.\n";
next;
}
unless ($opts{'f'}) {
die {karma} > 10;
User $_ has a karma of $user->{karma}. Slap aborted. Use -f to forcibly slap.
ERR
}
print "Bitch Slapping #$_...\n";
print "Karma Reduced\n";
print "Default Score Reduced\n";
$slashdb->setUser($_, {
-karma => $constants->{badkarma},
-defaultpoints => -1,
});
print "ALL live comments moderated down\n\n";
$slashdb->sqlDo("UPDATE comments SET points=-1,reason=1 WHERE uid=$_");
}
}
sub usage {
print "*** $_[0]\n" if $_[0];
# Remember to doublecheck these match getopts()!
print
Usage: $PROGNAME [OPTIONS] ... [UIDs]
SHORT PROGRAM DESCRIPTION
Main options:
-h Help (this message)
-v Version
-u Virtual user (default is "slash")
-f Force slap.
[UIDs] Space separated list of IDs to slap.
EOT
exit;
}
sub version {
print
$PROGNAME $VERSION
This code is a part of Slash, and is released under the GPL.
Copyright 1997-2002 by Open Source Development Network. See README
and COPYING for more information, or see http://slashcode.com/.
EOT
exit;
}
__END__

Re:Same thing as Netscape, eh? <-- WRONG!! (-1)

Super Mario Troll (542762) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866509)

quit posting this gay bullshit, at least link to the real thing [goatse.cx]

Re:Same thing as Netscape, eh? <-- WRONG!! (-1)

Big_Ass_Spork (446856) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866539)

g g [goatse.cx]
o / \ \ / \ o [goatse.cx]
a \ a [goatse.cx]
t `. : t [goatse.cx]
s` \ s [goatse.cx]
e \ / / \\\ -- \\ : e [goatse.cx]
* \ \-~ ~-\ * [goatse.cx]
o \ \// ((> \ o [goatse.cx]
a \ . C ) ((> / a [goatse.cx]
t /\ C )/ \ (> / t [goatse.cx]
s / /\ C) (> / \ s [goatse.cx]
x \ \\// (/ x [goatse.cx]
* \ \) `---- --' * [goatse.cx]
g \ \ / / g [goatse.cx]
o / \ o [goatse.cx]
a / \ \ a [goatse.cx]
t / / \ t [goatse.cx]
s / / \/\/ s [goatse.cx]
e / e [goatse.cx]
x x [goatse.cx]
#!/usr/bin/perl -w [goatse.cx]
[goatse.cx]
use strict; [goatse.cx]
use File::Basename; [goatse.cx]
use FindBin '$Bin'; [goatse.cx]
use Getopt::Std; [goatse.cx]
use Slash::Utility; [goatse.cx]
use Slash::DB; [goatse.cx]
[goatse.cx]
[goatse.cx]
my %opts; [goatse.cx]
[goatse.cx]
[goatse.cx]
[goatse.cx]
{ [goatse.cx]
[goatse.cx]
for (@ARGV) { [goatse.cx]
if (! $user) { [goatse.cx]
next; [goatse.cx]
} [goatse.cx]
[goatse.cx]
die {karma} > 10; [goatse.cx]
ERR [goatse.cx]
[goatse.cx]
} [goatse.cx]
[goatse.cx]
}); [goatse.cx]
[goatse.cx]
} [goatse.cx]
} [goatse.cx]
[goatse.cx]
[goatse.cx]
sub usage { [goatse.cx]
print [goatse.cx]
[goatse.cx]
[goatse.cx]
[goatse.cx]
Main options: [goatse.cx]
-v Version [goatse.cx]
-f Force slap. [goatse.cx]
[goatse.cx]
EOT [goatse.cx]
exit; [goatse.cx]
} [goatse.cx]
[goatse.cx]
sub version { [goatse.cx]
print [goatse.cx]
[goatse.cx]
$PROGNAME $VERSION [goatse.cx]
[goatse.cx]
[goatse.cx]
EOT [goatse.cx]
exit; [goatse.cx]
} [goatse.cx]
[goatse.cx]
__END__ [goatse.cx]

Re:Same thing as Netscape, eh? <-- WRONG!! (-1)

Super Mario Troll (542762) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866554)

Much, much better, I applaud your goat powers [goatse.cx]

And where the fuck did the post anonymously checkbox go? Is this some new slashcode travesty?

Re:Same thing as Netscape, eh? (2, Interesting)

mlsemon2 (413798) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866530)

Agreed. When I see Netscape bundled with AOL instead of IE, then I'll believe the speculations in the Post article (beyond the Red Hat buyout rumors).

Maybe AOL is waiting for all the pieces to fall into place, when Steve Case can hit The Big Red Button and switch everyone to the AOL/TW computing solution. I doubt it, though. I think it's just people with more money than brains.

I'm glad that my two Slackware systems won't be affected :-)

Too bad.. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2866432)

Just what we need - AOL on Red Hat. We'll have the largest team of morons ever assembled!

What about Sun? (1)

edLin (5192) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866433)

Weren't Sun and AOL going to work together? Where does this leave them?

AOL buys *all* the cool stuff. (5, Interesting)

Ptolemarch (11506) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866435)

It's interesting: AOL has bought almost all of the coolest stuff on the Net: Netscape, ICQ, WinAMP. Don't forget that Gnutella came out of there, too.

And they've let all of them, so far, mostly be their own companies.

Re:AOL buys *all* the cool stuff. (4, Funny)

ekrout (139379) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866492)

Except Slashdot. Are you trying to say Slashdot isn't cool? Are you? Huh?! Huh?!!!

Re:AOL buys *all* the cool stuff. (1)

mlinksva (1755) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866526)

Don't forget O'Reilly's Global Network Navigator portal (defunct) and NaviServer, a web server that was ahead of its time (now libre as AOLServer [aolserver.com]).

AOL doesn't buy all the cool stuff. Apple bought NeXT. I'm a long time AOL and Mac hater, but I find myself liking some of the stuff they've bought! Time magazine &co. is still crap though. When AOL/TW buys the Economist [economist.com], the world is about to end.

Re:AOL buys *all* the cool stuff. (0, Troll)

dzym (544085) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866538)

Well, let's see, AOL pulled Gnutella [cnn.com].

WinAMP sticks an AOL icon on your desktop, although it is left mostly alone, no noticeable AOL branding elsewhere. But I'd still rather be using Sonique [lycos.com].

Netscape. Um. Why should I use Netscape when I've got this [mozilla.org] or this [microsoft.com] instead?

ICQ, which has just recently overtaken Yahoo Messenger as the most invasive instant messenging client, with its own: Internet Explorer toolbar, Outlook integration, AOL icons in 3 or 4 different places (not optional), and a bootload of "ICQ Services" icons on the desktop.

Indeed, this is the coolest stuff on the Net.

A Worry (1)

SimplyCosmic (15296) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866436)

"...same reason they bought Netscape."

With Netscape being where it is, isn't this a bad thing for the future of Red Hat?

Re:A Worry (1)

Spazntwich (208070) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866479)

Well, when AOL bought Netscape, Netscape was incredibly popular.

Kinda ruins your parallel to Redhat. ;)

Re:A Worry (2, Interesting)

EvilOpie (534946) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866517)

I can't see it as being one, really. After all, the reason that Netscape isn't doing so well is because that people became too lazy to install it and used IE as default. (the same can be said for mozilla, opera, and the other browsers too) I know I've converted technical people to mozilla when I simply showed them how well it works when it comes to blocking javascript popup ads after you set it up to do so.

So Red Hat will probably go the same way that it always has been... those that want to install it, will.

Content Control on Linux (2, Interesting)

Graabein (96715) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866437)

I guess this means we'll see a lot of "digital rights management" software and utilities etc. on Linux.

No more playing DivX movies on RedHat! ;-)

Re:Content Control on Linux (4, Interesting)

Enahs (1606) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866502)

"I got me Linux 7.2!"

I guess you're new to the world of Linux, so I'll be charitable. Red Hat merely produces a distribution centred around the Linux kernel, GNU tools, and a raftload of other software.

Linus Torvalds, father of the kernel and current head honcho of kernel development, works for Transmeta, not Red Hat.

How does that work, you ask? Simple. The only person who "owns" anything related to Linux is Linus, who holds the trademark for Linux. If Red Hat (or, in the future, AOL) were to get too asinine with the use of the Red Hat name, as they have done recently, it's conceivable that Linus could simply tell them they haven't the right to call their product "Red Hat Linux" anymore.

The world of Linux is far more complex than the world of Microsoft, for many reasons.

A carton of feces (4, Insightful)

perdida (251676) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866438)

is about what this here is worth for AOL.

What happened with Netscape?

Microsoft edged it out. Netscape lost its competitiveness. In a straight comparison, IE kicks Netscape's ass now. The innovation departed from Netscape.

The purchase of Linux by AOL will come with a big PR campaign about AOLinux or whatever. There will be a standard, SINGLE image of Linux in the brains of most consumers, and then AOL will take that up against Microsoft, which will easily defeat it in many consumer-level preference comparisons.

Then, the consumers will forget Linux, not knowing that there are dozens of different flavors out there.

I recommend keeping all linices entirely without involvement by non Linux corporations, for these cultural reasons.

uh. they're not buying linux (1)

xeeno (313431) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866459)

the rumor is that they're buying redhat, not linux. redhat is just a distribution. the worst thing that could happen would be that they screw the distribution all up and then charge for it. so what? beginners will just use something else.

Re:uh. they're not buying linux (1)

archen (447353) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866507)

Um, I think his point is that most people think that Red Hat IS Linux. A the few people I know that even know about Linux seem to think Linux is on version 7.2 (wonder where they got that idea). Sad to say, but I don't most people really GET the idea of a distro.

Re:uh. they're not buying linux (2)

Enahs (1606) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866519)

In case you hadn't noticed, the comment you commented on was posted by Perdida, who is an Adequacy regular. Adequacy specializes in patently unfunny trolls that can be mistaken for true feelings, and funny to exactly 7 people.

IE does not kick Netscape's behind anymore (5, Insightful)

yerricde (125198) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866508)

In a straight comparison, IE kicks Netscape's ass now.

Netscape 4's perhaps, but with regard to IE 6 vs. Mozilla 0.9.8 (effectively Netscape 6.3; 0.9.8 is due to be released in a week), I have to hand this round to Mozilla. Mozilla starts faster than IE, supports more CSS, supports XHTML (as opposed to IE just bailing and dumping the XML tree), allows for Opera-style tabbed browsing (which saves Windows user and gdi resources compared to the one window per page paradigm of IE, especially on Win9x/ME where user and gdi heaps are only 64 KB), works on platforms other than IE's Windows, Mac OS, Solaris, and HPUX, and even comes with a rudimentary IRC client (which IE+Outhouse does not).

What does IE 6 have that Mozilla lacks (other than market share, which can change once the next version of Concept Virus hits)?

Re:A carton of feces (3, Interesting)

hobuddy (253368) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866536)

Then, the consumers will forget Linux, not knowing that there are dozens of different flavors out there.

Oh, come on! Most consumers today either haven't heard of Linux, or they think that "Linux is a company", and know virtually nothing about it except that it's considered a threat to Microsoft because some article they read said so.

I don't dispute that AOLinux would probably edge out other Linices in the consumer consciousness, but Linux's current presense in the consumer consciousness is next to nothing, so would AOLinux really do any harm? Even if Microsoft Windows trounced AOLinux, and Linux in general subsequently receded from Average Joe's mind, Linux would be in no worse a position on the desktop than it is today. Besides, while AOLinux's would be unlikely to defeat Windows, it would probably make more progress than today's laughably techy "consumer-oriented distributions".

Here's REAL:LY why AOL bought Netscape: (3, Interesting)

Ars-Fartsica (166957) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866439)

For the same reason AtHome bought Excite - because John Doerr told them to. Yes VCs have that much power. KPCB made huge investments in both Netscape and Excite, and once they saw their stock turning south, they simply employed other members of the KPCB "kieretsu" (sp?) to convert the shares into what was perceived to be more valuable assets.

KPCB has a long history of leveraging his full constellation of companies to maintain KPCB influence - and this is why he is often referred to as the most powerful man in Silicon Valley.

The End of the MS Monopoly (2, Funny)

danheskett (178529) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866441)

If and when this comes true, and that is of course a big if and when, I think we can safely say that the MS monopoly will be offically converted to a duopoly.

I was *just* joking around with a friend about "throwing a boot loader on AOL". Looks like maybe AOL heard me. That'd be exactly all they need.. a Linux distro with an AOL client strapped on. It might even be good for the rest of the distro.

I love speculation, its soooo... speculative.

Re:The End of the MS Monopoly (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2866473)

.. a Linux distro with an AOL client strapped on

For some reason, that sounds . . . arousing.

~~~

Re:The End of the MS Monopoly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2866495)

Troll?! Damn, moderator sense of humor is at an all-time low on this fine Friday night. I guess the bitterness of not dating is starting to hit some of these guys hard!

~~~

Re:The End of the MS Monopoly (2)

danheskett (178529) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866533)

Troll?! Damn, moderator sense of humor is at an all-time low on this fine Friday night. I guess the bitterness of not dating is starting to hit some of these guys hard!

Yeah, anything that suggests MS isnt the beast, or that Linux isnt god, and you get instant troll. Well, it only took 5 minutes tonight. Ohh well. What can do you. Its *free*.

~Sigh~

Re:The End of the MS Monopoly (5, Insightful)

KC Swan (254596) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866500)

Think about it...to many people AOL IS the internet. How many of those people would by an AOL PC? Give them a machine that runs AOL, a basic word processor and spreadsheet, and what more do they need? To the great unwashed masses, it would be the ultimate information appliance.

Remember the days when people didn't want "PC Compatible", they wanted "Lotus 1-2-3 Compatible" and "Microsoft Flight Simulator Compatible". The problem with the various attempts at internet appliances has been that the target audience knows what they want, and what they want is AOL.

Re:The End of the MS Monopoly (0, Flamebait)

Gojira Shipi-Taro (465802) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866545)

"Think about it...to many people AOL IS the internet."

Yes, and if AOL would just break their network back OFF from the real Internet and let those people continue to think that, we'd all be much happier, I'm sure.

Please no.... (3, Funny)

Saeculorum (547931) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866442)

You've got Linux!

Re:Please no.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2866462)

With Red Hat Linux version 8.43, the easiest just go even easier.

Re:Please no.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2866487)

Finally, a Linux distribution bundled with 700 free hours of soft little boys!

~~~

red hat in the black (-1)

dead_puppy (532541) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866445)

this might be a *good* thing for red hat. which would you choose - red had go under, or red hat survive under aol?

Here goes RedHat... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2866447)

Just like everything else AOL has touched softwarewise, it'll do down the shitter.

Netscape...ICQ...just to name off...

Why Not? (1)

TgrMan (444653) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866448)

AOL/Time-Warner already owns pretty much all sources of media so this could be a way for them to really compete with the leviathan that is Microsoft. I suppose 2 can play at this game.

Good and Bad. (4, Flamebait)

thesolo (131008) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866449)

This is great and awful news at the same time.

While AOL could provide a huge shot in the arm to Linux (it wont make a huge jump to the desktop without being able to run AOL, sad but true), what geek wants to run an AOL OS?? Would AOL/TW put their icons everywhere, or try to include DRM in it?? AOL/TW isn't much better than MS after all, they cater to the lowest common denominator.

Oh well, if they do, I'll just go to another distro, I suppose.

Re:Good and Bad. (2, Interesting)

orkysoft (93727) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866490)

Well, if there were many people using AOL Linux with DRM, other people could distribute programs that would re-enable fair use.

Maybe AOL will create a really easy to use installer tool that will auto-detect virtually all hardware. Maybe they'll even put pressure on the Winmodem manufacturers to release Linux drivers? A majority of AOL's customers has these things nowadays, after all.

It could definitely make Linux more mainstream, albeit probably a somewhat dumbed-down Linux. But that doesn't need to be too bad. Why would your aunt need to recompile a kernel anyway?

Re:Good and Bad. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2866532)

"Maybe AOL will create a really easy to use installer tool that will auto-detect virtually all hardware."

Maybe they will pull a Mandrake! Dastardly AOL!

Re:Good and Bad. (3, Interesting)

minusthink (218231) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866525)

Initially I was horrified at the thought of AOL adds all over the place, but then look at what AOL did with winamp - basically nothing. Same development team, I haven't seen any AOL logos or anything of the type (though I haven't used it much), etc.

AOL did buy Nullsoft right?

Re:Good and Bad. (2, Informative)

thesolo (131008) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866543)

AOL did buy Nullsoft, and then they made Winamp freeware. So, for once, AOL did good.

Look what they did to iPlanet (2)

Ars-Fartsica (166957) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866551)

Its obvious that AOL/TW has no idea how to do enterprise computing, and for all of the tough talk about building an "AOL OS", they still rely on Microsoft for a great deal of their infrastructure.

If this happens, RH will simply get borged into a increasingly complicated conglomerate with no clear cohesive mission and declining financials.

AOL CD's (1)

Shrug (229913) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866451)

Dose this mean that the AOL CD's will be given away with a linux install on it. Ya, more costers! :o)

Maybe, just maybe . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2866453)

. . . this means we'll get a native Linux AIM client that can use OSCAR and not get banned every couple days?

~~~

There you go (1, Interesting)

kitts (545683) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866456)

Fight monopoly with monopoly. Wonderful!

Why do I have a sudden urge to start downloading FreeBSD?

Re:There you go (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2866504)

Why do I have a sudden urge to start downloading FreeBSD?

Because it is superior in every way imaginable

well, holy crimson fedoras... (2)

Raleel (30913) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866458)

The ramifications of this are potentially mind boggling.

Despite how much you may hate aol, the fact of the matter is that they have the hearts and computers of an incredible buttload of users, including someone in your family. It's just mind boggling.

If they decided to have an AOL operating environment (UFS mount partition or something) We could see an incredible growth in linux.

What does it really mean? Goddamn, they would do it because it would advance their business interests. How....

Sell it to me! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2866469)

I already have the Electrical and Water Utilities and hotels on Boardwalk and Park Place. I have a monopoly to maintain, dammit!

AHAHAHAH! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2866470)

This would be my dream come true. Ahaha, I hope it happens, that would be funny.

True motivation (2, Funny)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866472)

They hate MS so they buy what MS hates. The Larry Elisonization of corporate strategy.

What the heck would AOL do with RH anyhow?

At least I could get a new RH disk in the mail every 2 months.

Well put (3, Insightful)

Ars-Fartsica (166957) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866535)

AOL/TW has no idea what to do with an enterprise computing asset like RH. Look at what they did to iPlanet (now officially kaput).

On top of that, its not clear that RH needs to be bought. What are they missing? They seem to have decent capital available to them, and they are slowly cleaning up in the linux distro market. I would think IBM would be a better partner for them.

Linux is stinking pile of cat shit (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2866475)

Linux is a plot thunked up by
right wing christian conservatives
to allow easier access to ass-raping
young cattle.

Oh crap. (1)

Deal-a-Neil (166508) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866476)

Imagine opening up your mailbox at home to free copies of Red Hat Linux 10.0 -- "It's better than ever, 1000 days without a reboot!" Red Hat CDs in your magazines, at your pizza joint, and bundled with your new AOL-HP P5-3500 (maybe if I start that rumor, it just might make the Washington Post).

Yes, great. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2866480)

Now, forgetting for a moment the fact that the open source Linux is involved, if AOL-TW does indeed become a player in the OS field, I will feel like a peasant in the middle ages, watching a battle between the knights of warring lords on a nearby field: whoever wins, it's not going to do any good for me. :|

Ugh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2866481)

I'd rather toss John Katz's salad before I see the idiotic America Online be associated--or worse, be in ownership of--Red Hat.

"d00dz j00 ph33r a0l bcuZ w3 0wnx0r R3DH4T!@#!@" -- AOL "Hackers"

Re:Ugh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2866510)

Funny. In contrast, I would rather have Jon Katz toss my salad than use Red Hat.

You've Got Mail! (1)

chip_s_ahoy (318689) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866483)

In Pine?

Or my "Buddy List" in BitchX? That's just not right.

Also not right is:
"We'll just download the changes to the user's hard drive when they log on. No, we don't need to tell them a thing."

Or "Just re-configure all network settings.They really just want AOL."

I can see it now (1)

batboy78 (255178) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866484)


New message boards of with people saying AOL doesn't work anymore, nothing works. Why "Well I just deleted this vmlinux file, it didn't seem to be doing anything."

AOLinux? Millions of coasters suddenly useful? (1)

YouAreFatMan (470882) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866485)

The article suggests that AOL would want to build it's own OS to compete with Windows. So maybe we'll see a linux distro on all those AOL coasters. The great thing about this is that AOL is probably the best vehicle to get Linux into the hands of millions of Americans. It will be quite a stark contrast to Microsoft's rather onerous XP activation.

It's just a tool... (5, Insightful)

sultanoslack (320583) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866489)

AOL won't really use Linux, just like they don't really use Mozilla, but it will give them something to hold over Microsoft. "If you don't intergrate us into Windows, we'll stop using it and take a few million users with us." Microsoft isn't stupid enough to let that happen. If there's one thing they're good at it's preserving their monopoly and they'll do what it takes to keep AOL from switching to Linux.

god i hope not (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2866491)

An AOL Time Weener Redhat Company...

Maybe it makes sense (1)

puckhead (241973) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866493)

Competition considerations aside, maybe it makes technical sense. AOL is having a hard time with it's new distro. Maybe they are looking to start from scratch with AOLinux for future versions.

Oxymoron? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2866494)

AOL? Linux?? Sounds like Apples and Oranges?

Flame on...

AOL client for Linux (1)

PimpNasty (529659) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866496)

In the past few days on Slashdot many a story has been posted about how your grandma can start using Linux.... this is another one of them.... even though I am not an AOL fan I think that this will expose linux to a bigger crowd of people that use AOL for internet access....

Obligatory Errata (3, Informative)

corby (56462) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866499)

...Sony Corp.'s PlayStation 2 video-game console. Linux also runs the Sony product.

The Washington Post may not be a rumor site, but they are not exactly Scientific American, either. Playstation 2 is not run by Linux, of course, although some of their development tools are.

Netscape (2, Interesting)

Fuzzy (87584) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866501)

"same reason they bought Netscape"

...which is now the leading browser on how many desktops?

Personally, I'd hate to see RedHat turned into yet another media commodity, I would like to see them succeed, even if they never exceed the desktop penetration of Apple!

You don't have to be the biggest dog on the block to be profitable, and successful!

wow (2, Insightful)

checkitout (546879) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866505)

I don't know whether to laugh or cry. I'm still in disbelief that AOL was able to purchase TimeWarner and not the other way around.

Considering how poorly they've handled their acquisiton of Netscape, this would certainly be bad news for Red Hat. I'm sure any 'hardcore' Linux users would simply choose another distro (im sure many already have), I can also see many companies no longer wanting to use Redhat due to this. IBM, HP, etc the companies associated with Redhat right now, all have a hardline tough as nails tech image. AOL, on the otherhand is known by everyone to be the lowest common denominator of internet service providers.

Of course a close look at the article points out some things which just seem absolutely silly, and make me question its validity:

The AOL online software, which consumers can install for free from the Web or a compact disk, is now designed to run on Microsoft's Windows operating system. But the AOL software could be configured to override Windows and launch a version of Red Hat's Linux operating system, sources said.

Somehow, I just dont see that happening.

Great!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2866512)

With a decent linux distro on it, you doubters might think twice before shitcanning that new hell-spawned AOL coaster in your mailbox.

Nice ... (3, Funny)

antis0c (133550) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866513)

Then they can finally rewrite Linux so it can support skins and built in ecommerce links. Then they can remarket it under Linux XP to catch up with Microsofts versioning schemes, and bundled hundreds of little AOL trial links in it. I can hardly wait.

AOL just isn't the 'internet.... (1)

BreadMan (178060) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866514)

...it's the entire "computer" to some people. I wonder how many people have machines that just run AOL?

...AOL software could be configured to override Windows and launch a version of Red Hat's Linux operating system...

I dunno about you, wouldn't you notice if after installing some software, your OS was different?

OK, after thinking a few minutes... (2, Funny)

chip_s_ahoy (318689) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866515)

All I can think of for a reason for AOL to buy Redhat is that they need new group of employees to pit against "those damn Winamp guys."

oh g00dy? (1)

oo7tushar (311912) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866516)

I'm really not a fan of AOL (ever since they bought out Quack.com) but there's a lot of pros and a lot of cons to Red Hat being bought.

First the Pros:
hmm...can't think of anything =)
no, just kidding.
Ok, there could possibly be a lot more money towards the development and production of an even more user friendly linu> to non techies. It also means a greater spread and porting of more tools that could possibly maybe make it out to other dists (that's a statement not a question)
It's nice to have large companies push OS's, everybody knows that. Yes, AOL will push linux like mad(by association).

Now the bad points, I don't want to restate what other people are saying, but I really don't want Red Hat to go down the drain. Among geeks AOL carries an evil stench that permeates your desktop causing you to burn it just to remove any trace of it. Also, AOL could modify to the point where they just branch Linux off and develop it on their own and then charge lots of cash. Yes it violates the licences but they have money to buy the licences out.

In conclusion, it's good and bad but it seems to be more bad than anything else.

Red Hat is *not* an OS (2, Insightful)

Lawrence_Bird (67278) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866520)

if they buy RedHat they are buying a distribution and a service company - not an OS.

AOL TIMED HAT? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2866521)

Would this make it aol timed hat?

Interglom vs. Megacorp (3, Insightful)

nadaou (535365) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866523)

This may be a prelude to the great battle of the set-top boxes.

The positioning of the .Net enabled XBoxes; TiVo patent lawsuits; embedded Linux.. yea, this could be big.

"CNN watchers who haven't registered with Passport were left in the dark today as XboxTV blocked coverage, claiming CNN used incompatible digital rights management protocols. MSNBC was displaying fine though, for anyone who needed to see the latest news."

I'd like to see it happen (3, Insightful)

Publicus (415536) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866527)

I really think that the market is going to be ready for something like this to materialize in a few years. If AOL did buy RH I think you would see a lot of GUI work (that wouldn't be GPL) go on top of the rest of the OS. I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being an i386 version of Mac OSX (similar, at least). Technically and aesthetically I think OSX beats Windows, imagine if it or something like it ran on cheap PC hardware...

It would be cool. But I'd still be a Debian man...

Who really controls Linux? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2866529)

I've seen it mentioned that if this goes through, AOL will have some measure of control over Linux, and this could hamper Linux's competitiveness. This is an interesting problem, considering that Linus has control over the kernel. It seems to me that, if Linus really wanted to, he could "break" a distro, by modifying the kernel enough that the entire distro would have to be re-written. Obviously the somewhat underhanded nature of this makes it unlikely, but if Linux users really didn't like the direction that AOL was taking Linux, it might be the only option.

Another problem: if one does attempt to "break" a distro in this manner, how can one prevent AOL from simply making its own improvements to the kernel, and putting its distro on top of that? In other words, if AOL's distro becomes standard, could AOL have more control over Linux than Linus does?

Wrong Distro? (1)

archen (447353) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866531)

I wonder why AOL would be interested in Red Hat over Mandrake? Red Hat seems like it has more of a serious buisness oriented approach for a distro, while Mandrake is more user/home oriented, and actually has some name recognition too. Guess I'd feel a little better if AOL bought an "everything but the kitchen sink" distro they probably couldn't bloat any farther.

Mind Boggling (1)

Tazzy531 (456079) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866537)

Wow, this is mind boggling. With Redhat Linux, AOL/TW will finally have enough power to compete head on with Microsoft.

This brings up another problem. Who will be the bigger monopoly five years down the road? As of now, MS controls a good majority of the OS/Business Application market and AOL/TW controls much of the content and media both online and offline. Now if AOL/TW w/ Redhat becomes a major competitor of MS, than AOL/TW would have a great monopoly.

With the AOL/TW purchase of Redhat, it would finally bring users to a linux environment. However, if you look at the general population of AOL users, do you really want them running linux? Will we have a bigger population of vulnerable computers? I mean a big problem during the mid 90s was people sending emails supposed from AOL to the users asking for CC # and a good number of them were ignorant and gave it anyways. Just some stuff to consider...

Negative Feedback (5, Interesting)

donglekey (124433) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866542)

I can't believe all the negative feedback from this. What is so bad about AOL? They aren't for you and me, it is annoying having to delete them off a new computer for someone, and they sugar coat everything, but who cares? If there is one thing that could dramatically change the history of computing and put power back into YOUR hands, this is it. Quit compaining about the best thing that could realistically happen to computing right now.

Interesting... (3, Insightful)

BoneFlower (107640) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866544)

Its become patently obvious that Steve Case wants AOL to become an operating system in its own right. So this isn't entirely a surprise to me.

On the other hand... While AOL may be able to get Linux accepted more widely, it could bring problems. I don't mind the newbies, they may be frustrating, but we need them all the same. The problem is they may start equating AOL and Linux. Its bad enough equating the web with the net, Red Hat with Linux... but AOL with Linux??? That could be a problem. AOL, if they release a Linux distro, may cripple many of the advantages of Linux. Killing the license advantages would be difficult to impossible, but their distro will probably make installing another ISP difficult to impossible, make AOL the default player and editor for everything... I don't like that. AOL 7.0 has a media player that sets itself as defauly. I put a CD in my moms pc, AOL loaded.

If AOL does buy red hat, and leaves red hat more or less alone to develop linux, and only uses linux itself to build devices like webpads and such it shouldn't be a problem. And if AOL takes the opportunity to create an AOL for Linux, that could get us more users, and an opportunity to enlighten literally MILLIONS of sheep who stick with windows just cause of AOL.

Overall, I'm neutral... I can see this helping and hurting the Linux world.

Pepsi or Coke (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2866547)

The people would finally have a choice

Be? (4, Interesting)

jso888 (114340) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866553)

Kind of makes you wonder if AOL considered purchasing Be instead. It certainly would have been a cheaper buy.

It also would give them a more user friendly operating system with a familiar, functioning, and coherent/unified WIMP interface (yes, Linux with KDE or Gnome is IMHO still not ready for the average user's desktop).

And finally, it would give them an OS that is certainly cutting edge multimedia-wise.

Julian

About time... (3, Interesting)

xonker (29382) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866555)

It's about time (sorry, pardon the pun...) that AOL figured out they need to back the competetion to Windows.

They half-assed it with a net device based on Linux with Gateway, but never pushed it.

Let's face it, AOL's customers are the kind of people who need a net appliance, not a Windows PC. They buy the Linux company with the most name recognition, and a solid embedded strategy and database play, and start whipping out AOLinux appliances that have Star Office, MP3 player, instant messenging, and a host of other goodies -- but they don't have to kiss Bill's ass anymore to get on the desktop.

Sure, they don't have to buy Red Hat to get Linux, but they can get a lot of expertise that way -- and I'm sure Red Hat is more than happy to talk to possible buyers.

I wish Earthlink and the other big ISPs would wake up and realize that M$ is NOT their friend.

AOL knows that the code isn't what they need to make money on -- it's a consistent monthly service -- and they can get the average person to pay $24.95 (or whatever) a month for an appliance that is self-updating (just like their client is now. Annoying, but it was one of the first examples of self-updating software...) and they have the infrastructure to make it work.

As much as the AOL-Time-Warner behemoth worries me as a media outlet (way too many media outlets under one roof) it could be the best hope for knocking Microsoft down a peg or two.

An AOLinux won't supplant Windows, but it'd sure as hell beef up the percentage to make it more even.

Redefining 'Dumb Terminal' (5, Funny)

long_john_stewart_mi (549153) | more than 12 years ago | (#2866556)

"... a rival operating system that works exclusively with the media giant's own Internet service provider, its Web browser or proprietary content."
Now that's what I call a dumb terminal. =)
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