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LinuxWorld Preview

CmdrTaco posted more than 12 years ago | from the later-this-week dept.

Linux 144

jlttb writes "LinuxWorld gets under way this week in New York City, and CRN has some extensive preview coverage this morning, including a look at Raptor, IBM's first Linux mainframe, and other IBM and Compaq Linux servers to be announced at the show. A second feature takes a look at the growth of the Linux services channel, from industry heavyweights like IBM, Compaq, Red Hat and Caldera, to smaller 'mom and pop' Microsoft and Novell shops that are re-focusing on Linux. Finally, the magazine looks at how Microsoft and Sun are each fighting back against the gains made by Linux in corporate America." I still haven't packed yet, but I'm looking forward to the show.

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C: A Dead Language? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2914433)

Gentlemen, the time has come for a serious discussion on whether or not to continue using C for serious programming projects. As I will explain, I feel that C needs to be retired, much the same way that Fortran, Cobol and Perl have been. Furthermore, allow me to be so bold as to suggest a superior replacement to this outdated language.

To give you a little background on this subject, I was recently asked to develop a client/server project on a Unix platform for a Fortune 500 company. While I've never coded in C before I have coded in VB for fifteen years, and in Java for over ten, I was stunned to see how poorly C fared compared to these two, more low-level languages.

C's biggest difficulty, as we all know, is the fact that it is by far one of the slowest languages in existance, especially when compared to more modern languages such as Java. Although the reasons for this are varied, the main reasons seems to be the way C requires a programmer to laboriously work with chunks of memory.

Requiring a programmer to manipulate blocks of memory is a tedious way to program. This was satisfactory back in the early days of coding, but then again, so were punchcards. By using what are called "pointers" a C programmer is basically requiring the computer to do three sets of work rather than one. The first time requires the computer to duplicate whatever is stored in the memory space "pointed to" by the pointer. The second time requires it to perform the needed operation on this space. Finally the computer must delete the duplicate set and set the values of the original accordingly.

Clearly this is a horrendous use of resources and the chief reason why C is so slow. When one looks at a more modern (and a more serious) programming language like Java or, even better, Visual Basic, that lacks such archaic coding styles, one will also note a serious speed increase over C.

So what does this mean for the programming community? I think clearly that C needs to be abandonded. There are two candidates that would be a suitable replacement for it. Those are Java and Visual Basic.

Having programmed in both for many years, I believe that VB has the edge. Not only is it slightly faster than Java its also much easier to code in. I found C to be confusing, frightening and intimidating with its non-GUI-based coding style. Furthermore, I like to see the source code of the projects I work with. Java's source seems to be under the monopolistic thumb of Sun much the way that GCC is obscured from us by the marketing people at the FSF. Microsoft's "shared source" under which Visual Basic is released definately seems to be the most fair and reasonable of all the licenses in existance, with none of the harsh restrictions of the BSD license. It also lacks the GPLs requirement that anything coded with its tools becomes property of the FSF.

I hope to see a switch to VB very soon. I've already spoken with various luminaries in the *nix coding world and most are eager to begin to transition. Having just gotten off the phone with Mr. Alan Cox, I can say that he is quite thrilled with the speed increases that will occur when the Linux kernel is completely rewritten in Visual Basic. Richard Stallman plans to support this, and hopes that the great Swede himself, Linus Torvaldis, won't object to renaming Linux to VB/Linux. Although not a C coder himself, I'm told that Slashdot's very own Admiral Taco will support this on his web site.

Thank you for your time. Happy coding.

Egg Troll

This has to be the funniest thing ever (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2914461)

"the speed increases that will occur when the Linux kernel is completely rewritten in Visual Basic"

That is soooooo damned funny...

Re:C: A Dead Language? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2914501)

everyone knows VB! even my dog knows VB! so start writing the OS in VB NOW DAMNIT!!!

Re:C: A Dead Language? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2914503)

hahahahahaha That's funny.

Re:C: A Dead Language? (-1)

cyborg_monkey (150790) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914608)

Jill Wiegand and Debbie's knee poked Betty Crocker and wrote nicely by the Bundlings basement, whilst the Spice Girls conjured Lucy's goat inside Circle Center Mall.

Re:C: A Dead Language? (1)

ajaygautam (554694) | more than 12 years ago | (#2915205)

What is this ? A joke ? Lets see you write a device driver in VB let alone rewrite Linux !! Man, you are screwed up !

Re:C: A Dead Language? (0)

B00mZilla (516979) | more than 12 years ago | (#2915232)

What is this ? A joke ?

Uh, yeah, I think it was.

IBM and Linux (2)

wiredog (43288) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914454)

Yesterday, during one of the football playoffs, I saw an IBM commercial. In the background was a guy in a Tux suit...

Re:IBM and Linux (1, Offtopic)

keesh (202812) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914484)

Take a look at this [] . IBM's Linux animations.

Bonus points for spotting the All Your Base sign :)

Re:IBM and Linux (2)

CodeMonky (10675) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914497)

The best is when they are talking about 'the new guy linux (Detlef Shrempf)' and how he plays for peanuts.

Re:IBM and Linux (2)

reaper20 (23396) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914604)

The best are the PHBs in that commercial, something like:

"If he's so good, how come he only plays for peanuts?"

"Because he loves the game."


Basketball Commercials! (4, Interesting)

asv108 (141455) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914539)

I thought the best IBM commercials were the basketball themed spots where the good team was the "Linux All Stars?" with player names like, firewall, and Apache etc. The visiting team, wore black jerseys and had names like "hacker" and "downtime".

There were at least 4 unique commercials with this theme, the best one was when the team "management" paid a consultant 5 million and all he ended up doing was explaining what a triangle was, it reminds me of a friend I have who works at Accenture..

I spent a good 30 mins last night searching around for where I could download these commercials, but I had no success. Does anyone know where to find these? I know IBM had the codernaut commericials available for download.

Re:Basketball Commercials! (1)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914877)

The "good team" is "Infastructure". Players are "Linux", "Firewall", "Mainframe", "Middleware", and one other (which I can't remember). The best commercial is "Downtime". When everyone is on the ground, all injuried. In come the coaches "Backup" and "Recovery" and bring them all back in a few seconds. Funny stuff.

I'd suggest looking at ad critic, but, unfortunately, its no longer around.

I'll go digging for it to see if I can find it, though.

Re:Basketball Commercials! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2915011)

Mainframe? I thought he retired! =P

Re:Basketball Commercials! (2)

MrResistor (120588) | more than 12 years ago | (#2915028)

So did Jordan...

Re:IBM and Linux (-1)

IAgreeWithThisPost (550896) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914549)

Yesterday, during one of the football playoffs, I saw st louis beat philly.

Re:IBM and Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2914662)

Fuck you, you fucking troll faggot. Why don't you go let your brother take you up the ass?

Re:IBM and Linux (-1)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914672)

h4wh4w yer a philly fan eh? W0W JO0 SUX0R!

Re:IBM and Linux (-1)

IAgreeWithThisPost (550896) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914781)

I agree with this post.

Re:IBM and Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2914733)

Yes, and I also watched the Steelers lose. I thoroughly enjoyed watching Kordell self-destruct.

Giant Tomatoes From Outer Space (-1)

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM (537317) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914551)

Actually, we're just a couple of tomatoes from the Mojave Desert.

What is black and while and moves in a circle?

Two penguins trapped in a revolving door!

Have a great day.


Re:Giant Tomatoes From Outer Space (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2914742)

please do not do the nested unordered list trick.
I suppose it is nicer than the nested blockquotes, though. ah well, i guess it's not really that important. Important Stuff: Please try to keep posts on topic. Try to reply to other people comments instead of starting new threads. Read other people's messages before posting your own to avoid simply duplicating what has already been said. Use a clear subject that describes what your message is about. Offtopic, Inflammatory, Inappropriate, Illegal, or Offensive comments might be moderated. (You can read everything, even moderated posts, by adjusting your threshold on the User Preferences Page) Problems regarding accounts or comment posting should be sent to CowboyNeal [mailto] .

Re:IBM and Linux [OT] (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2914714)

That remindes me...does anyone know if IBM (or others) have anything special planned Re: superbowl commercials and Linux?

Anyway, if there are any rumors, let 'em fly now! I wants to know if there is any reason for me to watch, other than to see New England's defeat.

Expo Wireless Networking Setup (1)

rtnz (207422) | more than 12 years ago | (#2915207)

What will the network look like at LinuxWorld? Does anyone know what type of proxy they will have for internet access? I want to see what kind of work I will be able to get done there during the calm at the conference.


Linux World? (3, Funny)

NiftyNews (537829) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914455)

Linux World? That's a little ambitious, isn't it?

LinuxCity is more realistic. Or maybe they could stretch it to LinuxState at the max...

Re:Linux World? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2914466)

What's wrong with a little ambition?

Re:Linux World? (-1)

core10k (196263) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914490)

How about Linux speck of dirt? The honeymoon is over, Linux lusers. Why not come join the winning team? Windows XP for home, WXP Professional for the office, CE for embedded systems.

Re:Linux World? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2914596)

"How about Linux speck of dirt? The honeymoon is over, Linux lusers. Why not come join the winning team? Windows XP for home, WXP Professional for the office, CE for embedded systems."

What no .net for servers...

Oh, I forgot that where we run Linux.

Re:Linux World? (-1)

core10k (196263) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914652)

Java for servers. JSP for HTML servers, straight Java applications for specialized servers for thin clients and the like. Or RMI if that's your thing.

Run it all on Solaris or on Windows 2000, Linux doesn't have proper threading so it's right out.

Basically, Linux has no reason to exist. Capiche?

Re:Linux World? (1, Flamebait)

nomadic (141991) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914772)

Oh, like there's much of anything outside the borders of NYC. I think it's safe to consider us the world, or the most important part of it...

Wish I was there... (1)

Triode (127874) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914459)

Anyone there doing live video or something??

Anyone have a link to some play-by-play action??

My boss would not let me attend :(

Re:Wish I was there... (2, Informative) (554698) | more than 12 years ago | (#2915251) will be doing interviews throughout the
expo. we broadcast on (kfnx) 10-11am. PST. Tuesdays. Tomorrow we're interviewing Marcos Mazoni or the Porto Alegre, Brazil and the
state of Rio Grande do Sul, and was instrumental in making that state the
only one in the world with a policy to use open source software exclusively.
regards, dawa (news reader on talktech!!)

It's (1)

Noodleroni (537889) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914470)

really cool to see Linux making strides in the mainframe department. I guess after that, the desktop is the next frontier.

Stephen King, not dead, but retiring(?!) (-1)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914473)

More infohere. []

LinuxWorld, eh? Each year more and more people have I.D. that says 'Steve Jobs, Apple Inc.' or 'Osama bin Laden, Terrorist'. It's getting annoying. Use your real names. Please stop selling stupid shit there, too. Sell good shit, and invite many BSD girls.

FARTS PORTS (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2914474)

This goes out to Bill Gates, the founder of the only company that makes a REAL operating system!

Linorx SnuxnoroROororor@sAWQS!

Got my badge today.... (0, Offtopic)

nixadmin (553533) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914489)

Flipped it over to see a nice big Sun logo! : )

Re:Got my badge today.... (1)

nixadmin (553533) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914567)

Actually, not offtopic, but that's the way it goes : (

Re:Got my badge today.... (-1)

IAgreeWithThisPost (550896) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914588)

quit whining worm.

I sentence you to the basement at a foreign sweat shop.

new photos from my party! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2914496)


My party... It was absolutely amazing!
I have attached my web page with new photos!
If you can please make color prints of my photos. Thanks!

[Attached: (30.4 KB)]

Re:new photos from my party! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2914508)

I've gotten 24 of those since 1030 last night.

They're getting fucking annoying.

(and i thought the people at my school were supposed to be smart enough NOT to click on attachments).

Re:new photos from my party! (-1)

October_30th (531777) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914536)


You mean this [] party? Well, you got "head" as you said, didn't you you old pervert!

#freebsd on efnet (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2914524)

'I try to avoid doing the Linux vs. Microsoft thing . . . it's not as if I would be unbiased anyway. Asking me about Linux is like asking the Pope about the existence of God.'

- Linus Torvalds

wise man once say (-1)

IAgreeWithThisPost (550896) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914526)

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I agree with this post.

The Unix Market (3, Informative)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914531)

Apparently the statistics are that Linux is gaining market share at the expense of the other unixen, instead of MS.

I wonder what could be done to encroach more on theMS market, given the recent stumbles by MS in the market (perpetual license rental, etc.)

Re:The Unix Market (2, Interesting)

nixadmin (553533) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914545)

Marketing, Marketing, Marketing. And......... Marketing! : )

Re:The Unix Market (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2914581)

I wonder what could be done to encroach more on theMS market, given the recent stumbles by MS in the market (perpetual license rental, etc.)

Allow current kernel developments to keep going (support if you can). ENCOURAGE Microsofts brilliant licensing strategies. Support your favorite Desktop (Kde,Gnome). Spread the word and's coming.

Re:The Unix Market (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2914688)

E-mail Microsoft Corp. saying how much you love the new licensing models, and how you just wish you could buy more support as a home user....maybe they could package a dozen support calls into the price of XP?

Re:The Unix Market (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2914713)

I wonder what could be done to encroach more on theMS market.

Actually doing something better than a Microsoft solution would be a start. As it stands, Linux has the winning combination of being a lot less user-friendly while not being able to match the performance of Windows. Being open source is a definite plus for those people who are into that, but they're already using BSD/Linux anyway. The initial price is all right, but those of us who aren't cheapasses, most don't really feel the need to settle for using Linux.

Re:The Unix Market (1)

ClosedSource (238333) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914729)

The reason why is obvious, Linux IS Unix. So the transition from say Solaris to Linux doesn't require a significant cultural change or retraining.

So for Linux to compete as effectively against Windows it would have to change to be highly compatible with Windows both in terms of the programs it can run and the look and feel. There are technical and legal reasons why this would be very difficult. In addition, although I certainly can't speak for Linux developers, I doubt that making Linux a Windows clone is something they really want to do.

Re:The Unix Market (2)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914799)

The reason why is obvious, Linux IS Unix.

While this is true, it does not provide the insight needed to accomplish the goal of accelerating the exansion of Linux into the MS arena.

The question is better rephrashed, "Why is MS not losing ground?" All those answers like "MS is better" etc. do not do the job.

It is actually closer to a debugging procedure. Debugging the method of getting Linux into that area of the market.


Re:The Unix Market (1)

ClosedSource (238333) | more than 12 years ago | (#2915136)

"While this is true, it does not provide the insight needed to accomplish the goal of accelerating the exansion of Linux into the MS arena."

Well, my point is that I doubt there is such an insight to discover. Unix was invented before Windows so of course, it wasn't designed to displace it.

I suspect that if Linux continues to grow, you'll see companies like Sun fading away and you'll end up with Linux for those who prefer Unix, OSX for those that prefer Apple and Windows for those that prefer MS.

Re:The Unix Market (5, Insightful)

Catiline (186878) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914740)

Exactly the same things as we have done before: Explain, to each person you meet, the reasons you choose Linux as your operating system. Explain
  • how it frees you from the threat of virii becuase proper security was designed in from the start and has always been a priority.
  • how nice it is to be free from crash worries: that even when it happens, it never takes down the whole box [unless you like riding the bleeding edge odd-dot-numbered kernels or it was a kernel crash, but you needn't mention those cases].
  • how the Free (libre) software gives you more useful features, because the developers are also users.
  • tell them the difference in technical help between people who want to empower you and those who wish to enslave you to their corporate budget.
  • what it means that one person can't determine when your software is outdated or irrelevant, just to get a few more dollars.
And if they're still listening, explain the difference between proprietary and open protocols and why the proposed Microsoft settlement can only encourage Microsoft to develop more proprietary protocols [full text explaination to hit my journal this evening: short reason is because even though it is an illegal extension of their monopoly it wasn't forbidden to them].

Re:The Unix Market (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2914957)

You Linux Zealots make me sick. You sing the same old tune over and over, and it's getting kind of old, quite frankly.

how it frees you from the threat of virii becuase proper security was designed in from the start and has always been a priority.

Uhh... maybe since it only has 0.24% of the desktop market share, it would make no sense to write a virus for it. Try reading this [] for once. If a virus gets r00t access, it can wreak havoc. And NO, in Windows NT due to file permissions it can't propagate like you claim. When will you twits realize this and quit comparing everything to Win95? That was 7 long years ago... things have changed since then. Grow up.

how nice it is to be free from crash worries: that even when it happens, it never takes down the whole box [unless you like riding the bleeding edge odd-dot-numbered kernels or it was a kernel crash, but you needn't mention those cases].

Really? Nice that you think so, but I've never had an NT crash that brought down the whole box. Of course I've had X-Window System crash on me many times... I understand that "hitting ctrl-alt-backspace" doesn't necessarily correspond to "bringing down the whole box"... but whatever. Only time you'll EVER encounter a BSOD on NT is if you have serious hardware/driver issues. This is analagous to recompiling the kernel with the wrong drivers/modules... Kernel Oops/Panic away!

how the Free (libre) software gives you more useful features, because the developers are also users.

Yeah. I forgot that Microsoft and Sun developers aren't users either. As far as having to dig into a text file or recompile the code myself to get at these "useful features," no thank you. Also, what "useful features" are you talking about? Remember folks, only writers of free software are users too.

tell them the difference in technical help between people who want to empower you and those who wish to enslave you to their corporate budget.

Right. Basically the difference between being told to 'RTFM' and live humanoid technical support. That was a quick one.

tell them the difference in technical help between people who want to empower you and those who wish to enslave you to their corporate budget.

Yeah, good one there. It's all about money, and not about furthering technology. They're out to get you, those evil bastards. That must explain the transition from NT 3.51 to 4 to 2000 to XP. Also must explain why Novell went from Netware 3 to 4.11 to 5 to 6. All about money, those greedy bastards. Just tell me who will determine that Linux 0.0.1 isn't outdated. I think I'll build my next server on it... why... because I can! [followed by incessant GNU/whining]

And if they're still listening, explain the difference between proprietary and open protocols

You know, people listened to Hitler too because they thought he was interesting and had something which sounded like a great idea at the time. But we all know how that turned out.

If you have time to rant about the evils of 'those money making bastards' in your journal this evening, I'd say that you have too much time on your hands. Reminds me of 'That Root Mean Square Guy'. Just like Hitler, you seem to have an agenda to promote. Just remember that people don't go to college to work for free. That's just idiotic.

-cscx (posting as an AC with no thanks to Fuck-O The Wonder Moderator, who decided to slaughter my karma... thanks for the communist IP ban, guys!)

security a priority? (-1)

ArchieBunker (132337) | more than 12 years ago | (#2915227)

Yeah maybe if you were talking about OpenBSD, but linux? Please. How many gigs and gigs of unchecked software does linux install? You can barely get redhat to install in under 1 gig now. Thats just a basic workstation install with X. BSD does that in 1/3 the space.

Exchange replacement (1)

wrong (27761) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914871)

A good, solid, replicating, calendaring Exchange replacement would help. If my boss uses the Outlook calendar, I'm stuck with Exchange - as far as I can tell.

Bynari Insight Server and Caldera Volution aim at this space but I'm uncertain about their reliability. iPlanet also do but Solaris is always going to be their priority platform.

Use Mandrake-Linux or SUSE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2915140)

Only two real distribution out there Mandrake-Linux or SUSE.

the rest are not up to the challenge on the tool for newbie side or even having any tool at all in some case and some even claim That having less is better ... ya right let see if that work with there paycheck hehehe.

And no I dont mean they are the best Linux out there they are just in a league of there own and they have the goal to help everyone may it be on the desktop or server or laptop (notenook) ...

I wish IBM and the other would lend them the Army of hardware they deserve for the really great product they put out ...

At this time Linux is equipped like the Canadien army ... Best equipment , best People , just no money or in any big number to be taken serioulsy ...

IBM ( taken as example of how they shoot themself the same way they did with OS/2 ,and you can replace IBM by HP , Compaq , etc ... ) is not really offering anything on the desktop ( notebook here ) : te goryDisplay?cgrfnbr=2035724&cntrfnbr=1&cgmenbr=1&c ntry=840&lang=en_US

Operating system provided
Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional
Microsoft Windows XP Professional

If they where really interested in having linux on the desktop they would offer to any distribution there hardware at real cost + 5% profit.

Jacques Cartier did not say I will wait until the new road to India is discovered to go there ...

Bill Gates did not say I will wait until someone as prooved that windows can be installed on everything to go after the market ...

Why do the Hardware maker do not do what they say they will do ...

And even more important why does the Linux Distribution let them do it ...

There is not more real Linux hardware offer then 2 years ago , there is less ...

Did I read this right? (3)

warpSpeed (67927) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914550)

The Professional Services arm of Compaq, which has said its 10-year-old investment in Linux compares to IBM's $1 billion commitment, also is cashing in on rising corporate interest in Linux.

10 years? Yeah, right. Can we say "Me too! Me too!" Compaq would have a hard time finding a clue if it were superglued to its collective face. Any company that would buy the alpha just to watch it die does not deserve any respect.



Re:Did I read this right? (1)

JLester (9518) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914589)

Compaq's Linux support has been excellent since we switched to them over 5 years ago. All hardware has been supported with no problems at all.


Re:Did I read this right? (3, Informative)

bconway (63464) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914614)

Actual, Compaq's support does go back 10 years if you include Digital (now owned and assimilated by Compaq, of course), which gave Linus an Alpha to port Linux to oh-so-long ago. I'm not really a fan of those ads stating Compaq's age-old commitment to Linux, since for the most part it wasn't even them, but I guess you could look at it that way.

Re:Did I read this right? (2)

jacoplane (78110) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914850)

Whatever. The fact of the matter is they're supporting Linux. So what if it's a "Me too" strategy. Give them some respect for standing up against M$, which cannot be an easy thing to do since they're the biggest PC manufacturer (or has Dell passed them?), and rely heavily on M$ for a very large portion of their revenue.

wired preview (3, Informative)

asv108 (141455) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914586)

Wired [] has a preview too. Check it out here []

LW predictions (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2914592)

1. Lots of (deserved) attention for the IBM use of Linux on Raptor and other servers.

2. The all-too-familiar reports about how "corporate" the show has become.

3. The all-too-familiar reports about attendence being lower, but still impressive.

4. Lots of evidence that Linux is continuuing to do well in the embedded space, as well as servers (see #1 above).

5. Not so much as a hint that Linux is making any real inroads into the desktop market. This will not change, thanks to the utter indifference to that segment shown by IBM, RH, and some (but not all) other major players.

Don't forget (1)

Gehenna_Gehenna (207096) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914727)

my own report I shall pulish friday evening after I return to my Connecticut home. Called... (drumroll)

Dr. Shwaglove!

or How I Learned to Stop Caring And Fill My Backpack With As Much Linux Propoganda That It Can Hold!!!

Hmmmm (2, Interesting)

jordan_a (139457) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914602)

Comment on article and I get this:
Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a0006'

Overflow: 'Cint'

/Components/TalkBack/tb-post.asp, line 92

Maybe somebody there should consider Linux :P

Yes, use Open Source! (1)

Cheshire Cat (105171) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914640)

Maybe somebody there should consider Linux :P

Yeah, they should use an OpenSource solution, much like Slashdot. We all know that Slashdot never gets MySQL errors, either! ;)

Seriously, though, its not so much the manufacturer of the backend, its the skill of the programmer. In this case it looks like the programmer didn't quality check his code enough.

Re:Yes, use Open Source! (1)

jordan_a (139457) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914725)

Yeah I know, but I get so much enjoyment out of poking fun at Microsoft products. :)

Re:Hmmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2914649)

Obviously you are having trouble understanding the difference between an operating system error and a programming error. A simple CLong instead of a CInt would solve the issue here as the articleID has exceeded the maximum value for a VB integer.


Re:Hmmmm (1)

jlttb (513393) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914797)

That was it exactly. Nice catch.

Preparation for LWCE (5, Interesting)

AntiTuX (202333) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914630)

Well, I'm already in Florence(read: bumfuck egypt), New Jersey staying with friends. I'm taking the train up to the city tomorrow morning, check into my hotel, grab my boxen, get to my booth, set it up, and hook up my machines tomorrow. I wonder if they'll actually have network access early this year. Last year january, they didn't have network live (in the .org pavillion) till wednesday.

I'm also hoping they don't go weasel again like they did in SFO last august and turn off the power to the .org pavillion after hours. That just pissed me off. They cut the power at like EXACTLY 6pm. I was hosting one of my websites off of it, and lost everything when I lost the partition my MySQL databases were on. .ORG pavillion exhibitors, be warned, they might do this again. This year I'm using ext3, so hopefully if they pull the power, my shit won't be lost.

Also, if you're exhibiting, don't leave your laptops, or anything else that can be easily stolen, in your booth. My and hadess's laptops got stolen. The depressing thing is that the last picture of his laptop (an ibook, you know, the toilet seat-looking ones) was taken by myself after the IBM party. I feel really bad that the laptop got stolen too. I almost feel as though it's my fault. The thing is, is that they rummaged THROUGH the booth and took it. My laptop was in the little cabinet thing inside the booth, so they must have been there a while. I just can't believe that security was so lax that they'd let someone like that just walk in and out with them. It's quite depressing.

This year I'm taking no chances though. I'm bringing locks for everything, I'm going to be taking my computers back to my hotel with me every night, and I'm definitely NOT going to be leaving ANYTHING in my booth. I guess I just had too much trust in their staff.

BTW, I am going to be setting up a wireless access point in my booth. If you need wireless networking, set your ESSID to "tux0r". I'll happily share my bw with anyone who wants it. :)

I can't think of anything else to really say, other than stop by my booth (BOFH International, booth #7, way in the back, right side, by mandrakesoft) and say hi.

-- John

Re:Preparation for LWCE (-1)

core10k (196263) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914686)

You sound like such a loser. Lost your laptop, lost a partition on your hard drive (wtf? I've never lost a hard drive due to a sudden power out, are you a moron or something? using some sort of 'experimental' hard drive partition? Idiot.)

Re:Preparation for LWCE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2914747)

I was hosting one of my websites off of it

I'm sorry, but what kind of a person takes his web server to a trade show? And complains when something bad happens. You don't carry your server around, it stays in the data center.

Re:Preparation for LWCE (1)

edrugtrader (442064) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914818)

what are you showing in the booth?

Re:Preparation for LWCE (2, Informative)

AntiTuX (202333) | more than 12 years ago | (#2915191)

I've got a little propaganda page [] up about it. Go read and make sure it makes sense. If you wanna help out, please email me. I need all the help I can get right now. Last year I was there for Window Maker [] . I'm probably gonna go to kinko's and print out like a hundred of them or so, to make me look like I've actually got my shit together. Right now, I'm just getting started, so there's not much going on. It'll probably just fail as a site, but hell, I haven't ever really done anything for the open-source community other than get a tux tattoo on my shoulder [] . Mostly because well, there's really not much that sysadmins can give back. I figure this is the best way for me to be able to. I dunno, it probably sounds cheesy, but it's something I wanna try to do. -- John

Re:Preparation for LWCE (2)

Inoshiro (71693) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914844)

ext3 won't save anything if your disk cache isn't flushed when your machine reboots.

If you really want to keep your data safe, get a damned UPS and hook it up with something so the system can shutitself down if it needs help. Or mount sync.

Re:Preparation for LWCE (1)

AntiTuX (202333) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914922)

yeah, I was considering that, but now that i'm already here, I'm kinda fucked. If you wanna loan me a UPS I'd be grateful though :)
-- John

Re:Preparation for LWCE (3)

Odinson (4523) | more than 12 years ago | (#2915305)

We were across from you last year (LILUG) I felt awful. The worst part is the people who stole probably don't even know what the hell Linux is. I hope they got beat up for selling someone a Computer without Windows.

"Hey man dis cumputer dusn't work. Whad you sell me! [pow]"

Plan on taking all money/hardware with at the end of the floor hours. The worst part about all this is the no napsack rule.

DonkeyNIX (-1, Offtopic)

DonkeyHote (521235) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914636)

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Rasterman (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2914663)

I hope this year Raster gives the audience a good overview of E17. All he talked about was evas. I was n't that impressed with the demo...Matt

Linux This... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2914667)

... Open That. Why not just call SlashDot LinuxZealotDot?

Linux is a Third Rate OS not pratical for anything. I've noticed in the past that anything pro-MS gets modded down to troll and gets many angry replies from the linux zealots on here. They're just jealous because MS has a very well established user and applications base.

Re:Linux This... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2914758)

I have seent the light and they light is grey. Follow the path, it knows not color.

Re:Linux This... (-1)

core10k (196263) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914782)

Shut up, Geno. Slashdot is the place for Linux cultists, not cultists of the Path.

Re:Linux This... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2914831)

Harsh words are not of the Path, Prismatic.

Re:Linux This... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2914918)

Ahh. I see the zealousy of linux has hit you hard, my friend.

I'm sick of being modded down just because I don't think Microsoft is the Evil Empire (tm)

Re:Linux This... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2914956)

Huh. 1 hr to flaimbait.

Linux Sucks Windows Roolz! Just look at the market share for Windows on the desktop system for proof you bunch of blind rats!

Don't you zealots feel like yer beating a dead horse? If someone can give me hard evidence and a compelling reason Linux is better (other than MS is the Evil Empire (tm)) I might actually agree, but it's a hobbyists OS meant for tinkering. Linux is a goddamned toy!

Re:Linux This... (1)

Scooter (8281) | more than 12 years ago | (#2915240)

LOL this guy's obviously never had to run anything serious on a MS server OS, and out up with the huge $$$ running costs, "windows knows" best attitiude ~"if you can't see it in the GUI config tools - you don't need to know" or just the sheer inflexibilty of it all.

Nobody's being overzealous in this thread - although it does happen - but then what are you if not an MS zealot with that outburst??

I don't hate MS - but as a system architect and network admin for many years, I know the value of LInux to me - theres so much maturity in the tools, and so much flexibility - it all works out of the box - you don't need to go buy anything else - it pretty much handles any server task as is (I'm using RedHat 7.2 right now), and it stays up!!

Next to Redhat, MS server OS's are the ones that look like they were designed by Fisher Price - for years 3-6 :P Linux is even easy to configure these days - with Webmin, I can even get NT admins to do some :P

hehe it;s MS who's been beating the very lame looking NT/2000/XP horse for years now - they keep attaching extra legs and it seems to move, and even looks a bit like a horse, but underneath theres the carcass of something smelly from about 1992 :)

All I can say to you - is "just try it" If you do have a server application to run - try it on Linux.

Right now I'm installing Oracle9i on RedHat 7.2 on a Dell 6450 - the OS installed in 15 minutes - try that with XP/2000! I have all the networking tools you could ever need, and I know it will be more reliable than the same thing on NT.

Re:Linux This... (1)

abdulwahid (214915) | more than 12 years ago | (#2915345)

Linux Sucks Windows Roolz! Just look at the market share for Windows on the desktop system for proof you bunch of blind rats!

Ford have a higher market share than Ferrari. But I know which car I would prefer. Market share has never been a measure of how good any product is.

Re:Linux This... (0, Flamebait)

LinSux (554676) | more than 12 years ago | (#2915017)

Mod this up to +5 Insightful, you dumbass zealot moderators!

From the article... (2)

gillbates (106458) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914717)

Maybe a little OT, but:

The big issue is an increasing antipathy to Microsoft's licensing and upgrade practices

Finally, someone in the press admitted that Microsoft's licensing practices make a difference. It seems that as Microsoft has gotten increasingly draconian with their licensing schemes, corporations have began to look beyond Microsoft to open source software. Once corporate America has a taste of open source, they'll never go back to proprietary software. If this trend continues, there will come a time when a VP suggesting that the company buy an OS will get laughed out of the boardroom. Which, of course, can only be good for all of us.

Re:From the article... (1)

jlttb (513393) | more than 12 years ago | (#2915148)

Here's a rundown [] of the latest on Microsoft licensing issues. "Many partners were incensed with the loss of flexibility in making software purchases and upgrades, as well as the complexity of the new licensing model, which has put resellers in a pinch."

LinuxWorld *was* cool... (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2914718)

I went to the first NYC LinuxWorld two years ago, and had a great time. There were tons of great people there, tons of interesting and respectable companies. I had a ton of fun just hanging out with people that had previously only been an email address - truly an affecting experience.

But last year was very different. The focus wasn't people, the focus was on startups. "Linux" companies that had little to no clue, just trying to cash in on year-old hype. The big guns used it as an excuse to glam up their trade booths and loose their down-to-earth technical aspects. SGI's XFS team were the only people willing to have a serious technical discussion with me. Wading through so much marketing bullshit really blew. Wandering over to the "dot org pavillion" showed a tremendous downsizing of support for important community projects. While they previously recieved a good chunk of floor space in which to present things, they'd been reduced to vacant and tiny cubes.

LinuxWorld seems to have become little more than commercial interests trying to pry money out of the community, without remembering *why* they have a product to expo.

Re:LinuxWorld *was* cool... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2915005)

L-O-S-E. One o.

LinuxWorld is good for a Cmdrtaco ego boost (1, Funny)

mr_gerbik (122036) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914780)

My #1 LinuxWorld Prediction:

CmdrTaco will make appearances at the OSDN booth, acting like he is some sort of celebrity, waiting for the hot linux babes to scream, "Oh CmdrTaco, please tell us over and over how many hits Slashdot gets in a day!"


Re:LinuxWorld is good for a Cmdrtaco ego boost (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2914867)

hot linux babes

Hehe that's the funniest thing I've heard all day :)

focus focus focus (1)

dlasley (221447) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914816)

so many references to "micro$oft and sun facing the new threat of linux ..." isn't ms the only one really facing a "threat"? solaris is good for some things, linux is good for others (both are happy on those new sunfires!) and together they make a pretty solid scalable world. perhaps we need -openworld- where ms is not invited unless they have a few APIs you can write to for free ...

no solaris 9 for intel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2914855)

Sun has been threatening to phase out solaris for the intel platform for years. It was uncertain if solaris 8 would be released for the intel platform. While it does seem true that linux's gains have been coming at the expense of other unixes, I doubt this is the reason for sun pulling solaris support for the intel platform. Anyway doesn't this just more ground to linux anyway?

LinuxWorld (1)

sinnerDOTcom (544925) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914876)

It seems to me that this is geared more towards Linux server solutions instead of actually addressing the one main component linux needs to succeed - the desktop. The article fails to discuss anything else besides unveiling servers. Since we've already established that linux can be a server-based OS, let's work on THE CONSUMER! Tux has forgotten the end user.

Re:LinuxWorld (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2915009)

You know, this whole talk about "desktop" is by a red herring. Those who toss the word "desktop" about actually mean Excel, MS Office, Word, IE Explorer. Anything short of that doesn't meet their definition.

Guess what? You can write papers, do analysis, surf the web, balance your checkbook on non-Microsoft operating systems. Really, it's true! Bet you didn't know that. A lot of us were writing papers and publishing with a computer before the PC was even invented. Really. We used mainframes-Honeywells, IBM 360s, and VAX minis. Sorry to burst your bubble. You actually can do productive work without Microsoft software.

Just a Friendly Reminder... (2)

Baldrson (78598) | more than 12 years ago | (#2914924)

In a prior exchange [] :

by michael on Friday January 04, @06:49AM (Score:4, Informative) (#2784730)
(User #4716 Info) [ Neutral ]

Slash 2.2.2 was just released (actually, the friend/foe stuff has been live for some time, though hidden because the icons weren't on comments). Slash 2.3 is likely to be released before Linuxworld (end of January).

OK -- Linuxworld is beginning and ...

What the heck is a channel? (2)

Saint Aardvark (159009) | more than 12 years ago | (#2915054)

Legitimate question: what the heck is a channel? I keep reading different sales magazines, and just like the linked article they use the term "sales channel" without explanation. I think I can grok it from context, but I'd be grateful if someone could fill me in here...

Linus Torvalds says "Linux == God" (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2915278)

'I try to avoid doing the Linux vs. Microsoft thing . . . it's not as if I would be unbiased anyway. Asking me about Linux is like asking the Pope about the existence of God.' -- Linus Torvalds, creator of Linux

From the CRN webpage news article, the man himself compares himself to the Pope and Linux to God.
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