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Slashback: Cheats, Entries, Loki

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the manhattan-bound dept.

Slashback 328

Slashback tonight brings you updates to previous stories on computer-class cheating, Smoothwall, AIBO hacking, the Open Source Directory, and the fate of Loki's CVS. Read on below for the details!Jon Masters was one of the many to write in after recent articles about automated cheat-detection employed in undergraduate CS classes to catch plagiarists. "Hi, cheat detection is hardly new. For example The University Of Nottingham have developed an automated marking/plagarism detection system as part of their CourseMaster software. Personally I don't agree with automated assessment in general, however plagarism detection can be useful."

From the email I've gotten on it, it seems like a whole passel of schools have at least a homegrown solution to CS cheats.

Perhaps the cute dog will end up changing Sony's stance? CodeMonkey555 writes "Here is a story that chronicles Sony's little foray into the DMCA with a hacker who added software for the Aibo robot."

It's nice to see that publications like SciAm are following the results and consequences of the DMCA.

Care to help edit an online software reference? SteveMallett writes "We at Open Source Directory (OSD) have opened the directory to volunteer editors now that we've given app authors and maintainer's a good chance to start and/or maintain their own listings.

Those interested may wish to visit our volunteer page which outlines what we're looking for. Don't worry. We're not that picky. The outline includes guidelines and tips for being a volunteer. Unlike dmoz, which has volunteer editors, we _will_ delete unupdated or neglected editor work in accordance to our Social Contract.

We hope that editors will help fill in the missing apps, take over those listings that they can do a better job of or have become neglected, and find those diamonds in the rough."

See our earlier post about the project if you're not sure what this is about.

Yes, someone has to read all those emails. kcurtis writes "Boston.com's tech site has this AP article about the large response to the Court's request for comment on the MS case's proposed settlement."

Now all they need is a trowel with an emblazoned smiley. enigma48 writes "Looks like the C'T article a little while ago about Smoothwall prompted some changes after all. Juergen Schmidt even gets a little credit. Shadow passwords are now in, but it looks like the ppp secrets file is still open (they describe it as being a "non-vulnerability"). A-patchin' I will go, a-patchin' I will go..."

So you don't have to stop playing your games ... Scott Draeker of Loki has some encouraging words for those who thought the announced (upcoming) closure of Loki would mean the loss of Loki's code and community. Draeker sent word of this a few days ago, but here are more details.

He writes:

"We have prepared tarballs of the public CVS, FAQs, mailing list archives, demos and Loki_Update which will be available for people to host. That's exactly what's going on with icculus.org.

The official repository will be hosted by the SEUL group at MIT. Once that site is set up we'll point the loki domains that direction. They'll also be adding some Loki projects to public CVS which were never completed."

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My Experience With the Linux (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2916991)

I work as a consultant for several fortune 500 companies, and I think I can shed a little light on the climate of the open source community at the moment. I believe that part of the reason that open source based startups are failing left and right is not an issue of marketing as it's commonly believed but more of an issue of the underlying technology.

I know that that's a strong statement to make, but I have evidence to back it up! At one of the major corps(5000+ employees) that I consult for, we wanted to integrate Linux into our server pool. The allure of not having to pay any restrictive licensing fees was too great to ignore. I reccomended the installation of several boxes running the new 2.4.9 kernel, and my hopes were high that it would perform up to snuff with the Windows 2k boxes which were(and still are!) doing an AMAZING job at their respective tasks of serving HTTP requests, DNS, and fileserving.

I consider myself to be very technically inclined having programmed in VB for the last 8 years doing kernel level programming. I don't believe in C programming because contrary to popular belief, VB can go just as low level as C and the newest VB compiler generates code that's every bit as fast. I took it upon myself to configure the system from scratch and even used an optimised version of gcc 3.1 to increase the execution speed of the binaries. I integrated the 3 machines I had configured into the server pool, and I'd have to say the results were less than impressive... We all know that linux isn't even close to being ready for the desktop, but I had heard that it was supposed to perform decently as a "server" based operating system. The 3 machines all went into swap immediately, and it was obvious that they weren't going to be able to handle the load in this "enterprise" environment. After running for less than 24 hours, 2 of them had experienced kernel panics caused by Bind and Apache crashing! Granted, Apache is a volunteer based project written by weekend hackers in their spare time while Microsft's IIS has an actual professional full fledged development team devoted to it. Not to mention the fact that the Linux kernel itself lacks any support for any type of journaled filesystem, memory protection, SMP support, etc, but I thought that since Linux is based on such "old" technology that it would run with some level of stability. After several days of this type of behaviour, we decided to reinstall windows 2k on the boxes to make sure it wasn't a hardware problem that was causing things to go wrong. The machines instantly shaped up and were seamlessly reintegrated into the server pool with just one Win2K machine doing more work than all 3 of the Linux boxes.

Needless to say, I won't be reccomending Linux/FSF to anymore of my clients. I'm dissappointed that they won't be able to leverege the free cost of Linux to their advantage, but in this case I suppose the old adage stands true that, "you get what you pay for." I would have also liked to have access to the source code of the applications that we're running on our mission critical systems; however, from the looks of it, the Microsoft "shared source" program seems to offer all of the same freedoms as the GPL.

As things stand now, I can understand using Linux in academia to compile simple "Hello World" style programs and learn C programming, but I'm afraid that for anything more than a hobby OS, Windows 98/NT/2K are your only choices.

thank you.

John Walker Lindh is a fucking maggot... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917008)

... you know he is. Fucking traitor.

Also (-1)

Ralph JewHater Nader (450769) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917031)

Despite his alliance with the towelheads, it is obvious that John Walker is nothing more than a jew, working together with the sand nigger terrorists in an attempt to destroy America. Do not be fooled, the jew and the dune coon are working together. Their hatred for each other is but a facade.

Re:Also (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917195)

Johny Walker Lindh loves America!

Specifically, he would love to see more airplanes crash in America.

I hope he gives up his ass cherry to 72 brothers.

Re:Also (-1)

trollercoaster (250101) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917296)


They are going to love (and I use this as an action verb) in Leavenworth!

Re:My Experience With the Linux (0)

theolein (316044) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917037)

Thanks for the comments, Bill.

Re:My Experience With the Linux (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917129)

YHBT YHL HAND

you fucking moron.

Re:My Experience With the Linux (0, Offtopic)

MADCOWbeserk (515545) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917058)

I'm sorry but Linux should and does perform at equal or better than NT in "almost" every situation. My instinct tells me either you configured your systems extradinarily poorly, or you used Linux in an application it is poorly suited for.

All you are doing is starting a flame war. Does it occur to you that desprite your confidence in your programming skills, you might not have any idea what you are actually doing.

Morons like him, maintain monopolies...

Re:My Experience With the Linux (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917068)

or you used Linux in an application it is poorly suited for
Yeah, he used it in a modern enterprise environment, instead of on some 10 year old POS hardware in his Mom's basement.

Re:My Experience With the Linux (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917233)

Yeah, he used it in a modern enterprise environment, instead of on some 10 year old POS hardware in his Mom's basement.


And what exactly would Point-Of-Sale hardware be doing in his Mom's basement? Damn, trolls are getting suckier on this BBS every day.

Re:My Experience With the Linux (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917258)

I think he meant Piece-Of-Shit equipment :P

Duh! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917079)

All you are doing is starting a flame war.


Well gee, you figured it out, did you? Also, YHBT. YHL. HAND.

Re:My Experience With the Linux (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917114)

YHBT YHL HAND

you fucking moron.

Re:My Experience With the Linux (0)

Jebus_the_spork (449174) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917120)

actually, all of it is made up, ive seen that identical post about 50 times

Re:My Experience With the Linux (1)

MADCOWbeserk (515545) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917151)

I kinda of figured it is a fake. But it is important to seriously address such posts. Many people thinking about trying Linux research on Linux user sites such as /. It certainly is possible that Windows Nt can outperform Linux, in some (mis)configurations.

Re:My Experience With the Linux (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917181)

It's immensely important. This whole site is immensely important. Thank you for taking time out of your important schedule to help us out here. You are a Slashdot God.

My Review of Mandrake (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917183)

As seen on Adequacy.org [adequacy.org] , News for Grown Ups.


The Linux operating system was born in 1991 and was created by one man, a
Finnish student coincidentally named Linux Torvalds. Since these humble
beginnings, a multi-million dollar [yahoo.com]
industry has sprung up to exploit the commercial potential of Linux, but
until recently Linux has eluded mainstream acceptance. However, due to the
recent economic downturn together with uncertainty over changes to Microsoft [microsoft.com] 's pricing policy, Linux is
now being touted as a serious contender to Microsoft Windows. While there
are many other alternatives to Windows, including BSD [openbsd.org] which is based on SUN [sun.com] 's (Stanford University Network - correction by bc) server-grade Solaris operating system,
none have commanded the same level of media attention as Linux.


Linux Mandrake [linux-mandrake.com] is just the
latest in a long line of quirkily christened versions of Linux. Previous
versions of Linux have been named Red Hat, Slack Ware,
Storm and Coral. In stark contrast to the mundane names such
as 98, ME or NT preferred by Microsoft, the crazy
names of each Linux release hint at its renegade nature.



My foray into the world of Linux began by downloading a "CD image" from
the Linux web site. But don't worry, this isn't software piracy, it's
perfectly legal! Linux is shareware, meaning that it can be freely
redistributed without fear of a visit by the Business Software Alliance [bsa.org] . The free
availability of Linux is a major reason for its popularity among
cash-strapped students and self-styled anti-capitalist hackers [fsf.org] .



Before installing new software, it is always advisable to read the
documentation. Unfortunately, an unpleasant surprise was in store for me
in the "required configuration" section of the manual [unc.edu] .
I was shocked to learn that Linux Mandrake only runs on Pentium
processors, meaning that my hopes of testing the water with my old Gateway [gateway.com] 486 were dashed. Furthermore, a
whopping 32 megabytes of memory are required to run Linux! Although the advocates [slashdot.org] of Linux self-righteously
boast the efficiency of their chosen operating system and deride the
"bloatware" produced by Microsoft, it appears that their claims are
blatantly incorrect. Although my humble 486 will happily run Windows 95,
it seems that Linux requires far more powerful, and more expensive,
computer hardware. Is this really the sign of a lean, mean operating system?
Of course not.



Sadly, not even being able to install Linux is just the first of my many
complaints. A brief perusal of the [mandrakesoft.com]
features of Linux Mandrake reveals that Linux is sorely lacking many
crucial productivity applications. For example, why isn't the industry
standard web browser, Internet Explorer, included with Linux? Despite the
best efforts of the experts at the Internet [ietf.org]
Engineering Task Force to encourage adoption of the Internet Explorer
standard, the creators of Linux seem to think that they know better. By
refusing to adhere to recognised standards, Linux is simply undermining
its own credibility.


Similarly, almost all of the world's most popular and widely used software
is completely incompatible with Linux! It may surprise you to learn that
your copy of Microsoft Office, Outlook Express, or Lotus Notes will not
work under Linux. Those who wish to use their computer for recreational
purposes are also out of luck, for almost all of the most popular games
are unavailable for Linux. Although a wide range of software is freely
available for Linux, these pitiful offerings are mostly unfinished, unreliable and do not
bear comparison to their commercial counterparts.



Computer security is also an area that seems to have been overlooked by
the developers of Linux. In these times when hacking and viruses are
commonplace, it defies belief to learn that no anti-virus software [mcafee.com] is available for
Linux. To add insult to injury, there is no Linux version of the popular
ZoneAlarm [zonealarm.com] firewall. By using Linux,
you are issuing an open invitation to the hordes of ne'er-do-wells on the
Internet.


The shortcomings of Linux are obvious. Without even installing Linux
Mandrake, I have exposed several fundamental flaws. Surely it is not too
much to expect that, after ten years of development, the creators of Linux
would have addressed these problems? The real question that the
prospective Linux user must ask himself is, "Why bother?" After all,
Microsoft Windows comes free with most PCs and there simply isn't a need
to replace it, particularly not with a product of inferior quality.



Although it is always tempting to support the underdog, Windows XP will
be the deserved victor in the battle ahead. I recommend that those
Adequacy readers who are hoping to upgrade their operating system
patiently wait for the release of Windows XP, rather than foolishly
wasting their time, effort and money on Linux.

Re:My Experience With the Linux (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917216)

I kinda figured you were a virgin. But it is important to seriously address such lamers. Many people thinking about having sex look art you and laugh. It certainly is possible that you can get laid, given enough beer and a couple couple sheep.

Re:My Experience With the Linux (-1)

ArchieBunker (132337) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917136)

I think mindcraft may prove your wrong. NT4 totally spanked linux. Don't believe me? Try this url http://www.mindcraft.com/whitepapers/openbench1.ht ml

the correct url (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917154)

http://archie-bunker-licks-squirrel-rectums.com

STRANGE BUT TRUE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917222)

http://entertainment.yahoo.com/entnews/wwn/2002011 6/101119320009.html

frankly, you don't know what the hell you're doing (2, Interesting)

Narcocide (102829) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917269)

you did WHAT with gcc 3.1?!?!?!?

no. no no no no no!

you use the STABLE gcc and compile WITHOUT the unstable binary optimizations and you'll have a *far* more stable server environment that will STILL outperform win2k.

ALSO, your allegation about a lack of smp support is flat wrong, as well as the lack of journaled filesystem support; although reiserfs may (i don't remember) not have been in the kernel at that time, it certainly was stable, and if you're smart enough to go jerking around with gcc as you say you did (i'm just gonna assume for the sake of this argument that you did that part correctly) then you certainly should have been smart enough to go to freshmeat [freshmeat.net] to get the reiserfs stuff.

and, btw: i could load any of a number of beta software programs onto a win2k box and have it crashing left and right in short order, without nearly as useful error information at that.

(note to moderators: at least READ the parent post before you mod me down. christ save the linux community from idiots like this.)

What ever happened to Katherine Thurber? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917003)

Trolls? Have you forgotten about Katherine Thurber? Is she still into
that kinky clown fisting? HTTP://WWW.CLOWNSE.CX

you forgot the meta slashdot discussion (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917009)

One of the most interesting discussions of the last week discussing slashdot and editor moderation. [slashdot.org]

It seems that CmdrTaco and co. are the "benevolent dictators" and don't seem to mind that people are peeved that they are the hidden hand behind the moderation system.

offtopic? i think not (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917048)

excuse me, but this is hardly offtopic?

i thought slashback was a way to point out the comings and goings that slashdot discussed in the last few days.

this thread [slashdot.org] would seem to qualify for slashback in every way. i don't know if you forgot to include it on purpose or not, but i thought it would be helpful for anyone not aware.

Reverse engineering is an inalianable right. (1)

segoave (115819) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917010)

It seems ubsurd to me that just because the aibo has encrytion protecting the binaries, it is illigal to reverse engineer it.

I guess this is old news...

Re:Reverse engineering is an inalianable right. (2, Insightful)

10 Speed (519184) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917029)

It is illegal to break into peoples homes, but I still lock my door...

Re:Reverse engineering is an inalianable right. (3, Insightful)

AntiNorm (155641) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917038)

It is illegal to break into peoples homes, but I still lock my door...

Reverse engineering and breaking in are two VERY different things. Sure, breaking in is illegal, but there is an age-old engineering principle that states that it is acceptable to reverse-engineer something as long as it isn't patented.

Re:Reverse engineering is an inalianable right. (3, Insightful)

BitwizeGHC (145393) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917141)

You can reverse engineer something that's patented to discover its inner workings. Having the patent itself will help you; that's the idea behind disclosure of patents. The trick is to build something similar or interoperable without violating the patent.

Re:Reverse engineering is an inalianable right. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917206)

is your woindow patented? If not, I think I'll break into your house and shit on your keyboard.

Re:Reverse engineering is an inalianable right. (1)

10 Speed (519184) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917282)

My point was more if you dont want something to happen it is quite acceptable to take precautions. I.e. Sony encryption of the ROMs...
Just because something is illegal (regardless of what we are speaking) it is not prudent to assume the law will protect you from the event...

Re:Reverse engineering is an inalianable right. (3, Insightful)

Jeremi (14640) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917054)

It's as if the little "no user-servicable parts inside -- do not open" stickers that you see on some appliances were legally enforced. Remove the case from your Nintendo, go to jail.

Re:Reverse engineering is an inalianable right. (1)

aredubya74 (266988) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917221)

Good thing mattress and pillow manufacturers don't have a stronger lobby in Congress. Othereidr, we could be railing against the DROTSLTOEA (Don't Rip Off The Stupid Little Tag Or Else! Act).

Re:Reverse engineering is an inalianable right. (4, Insightful)

image (13487) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917067)

If I buy a padlock, it is perfectly legal for me to bring it home and pick it open with paper clip. Even though picking it is not the intended use.

The question is -- is it, or rather, should it be, legal for me to disseminate information about _how_ to pick that lock?

(The answer is _of course_. The really interesting question is _why_.)

Re:Reverse engineering is an inalianable right. (1, Informative)

MADCOWbeserk (515545) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917247)

Reverse engineering is perfectly legal as long as it is done correctly. In order to legally do it, a company must employ two sets of engineers. One to analyse the product and document every input and output of it, the other must have no contact with the product. The second team then takes the data collected by the first team and engineers another product that produces the same data.

Patents must be honored however.

FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917012)

FP you fockers!

Timothy is fucking gay, and so is religion!

Slashdot. Grrrrreat. (-1, Offtopic)

ReluctantBadger (550830) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917013)


Slashdot. A Review. Strange really. Slashdot has become a bastion of "free speech" and anti-government sentiment. Constant rants about invasion of privacy, Echelon [slashdot.org] and the FBI's Magic Lantern. Microsoft is evil [slashdot.org] . Linux is great. Students, University Life and more fucking student stuff [slashdot.org] . How to waste money on useless gadgets. Fuckwitted "Ask Slashdot" questions [slashdot.org] that could be answered in about 10 seconds by using a search engine. More fucking Linux advocacy. Anime (especially the non-dubbed or subbed varieties that only Japanese speakers could ever fully appreciate). Another fucking kernel release [slashdot.org] . Pointless "science" features [slashdot.org] which would be better relayed by Elijah Wood on crack. Arguments over different software licenses that slide into meaningless handbag fights with excuses more queer than Julian Clary. A bit more pro-Linux crap from some "We've just graduated" hooray-Henrys. A "discussion" of wireless technology that deteriorates into Microsoft bashing [slashdot.org] for no reason whatsoever. And then.... THIS. [slashdot.org]
A wonderful little story posted by CmdrTaco. Yes, let's all run a keylogger on our systems to count how many keys we have pressed. Yes, that's right. Slashdot has only recently run this article [slashdot.org] . Hey, that was almost as good as the article on the hoax XBox Emulator [slashdot.org] where readers were being asked to download and try the emulator binaries with no regard for trojan/virus possibilities - Could the editors not be bothered to check it themselves? (And the ironic part is, not only did the package not come with source code or fall under the GPL, but it was for an M$ (tee hee!) operating system). Truly outstanding journalistic integrity. Then there's freedom of speech. The bread and butter of Slashdot. The "Papal Beacon" to call to arms all the brothers and sisters of slashdot with one ring to bind them all. A bit of flag waving, hands on hearts and everybody recite the amendments. Yes. DMCA... disclosure of security bugs in kernel... Government censorship... And then THIS [slashdot.org] . Talk about pot calling kettle. What fucking hypocrites. That particular post was spot on yet it was moderated to oblivion by what could have only been the editors. Yeah, freedom of speech indeed. Well done chaps. Yeah, I don't have to come here, nor do I have to read the posts. I don't have to get involved in moderation arguments or anything else like that. Oh, and please, somebody reply with that classic piece of shit Benjamin Franklin quote [slashdot.org] . I fucking love that one. Especially after someone posts a comment about how fucking paranoid you all are about CCTV and Echelon. To save you all the effort of typing flames, please find them here in an easy to copy n' paste list:
  • "You suck! Slashdot is the best thing on earth!"
  • "If you don't like it, don't come here!"
  • "Fuck you!"
  • "Urgh, this is so a troll!"
  • "I am a student and I use Linux. I was offended by this."
  • "Go back to the UK you poncy Brit!"
Oh, and don't forget to moderate me down!! Go on! You know you want to!

damn dog (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917016)

They allready have those dolls that "go tinkle". How long until Sony develops "'Lil McScoopScoop".

"Teaches kids to clean up after their pets without really cleaning up!"

I can just see that massivechinned and lipped ron of ronco pimping it now.

Excuse me while I cry myself to sleep.

first post, bitches (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917017)

cherish my balls as though they were the St. Louis Rams.

Trollin' for GABE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917021)

Hey Gabe! It's your apartment-mate Mark again. I'm glad you bought all that Mtn. Dew - I've been having a good time 'at' drinking it [wesley willis reference]. Anyway, I'll talk to you in 5 minutes.

-Mark

The Turd Report 01/28/2002 (-1, Troll)

The Turd Report (527733) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917035)

I had a cheese steak and a couple of beers from Dominion Brew Pub yesterday. Today for lunch, I had pork and mushrooms. The pork caused explosive diareah. It was pretty rank. I felt the rumblings at my desk. I made my way to the bathroom as quickly as I could. I could not take full strides, cause I was afraid I would shit myself right there. I get to the bathroom and the cleaning lady is in there! Fuck! I waddle down to the next bathroom and barely make it. I sit down and liquid shoots from my butt. It made a gnarly splashing sound as it impacted the back of the toilet. It felt good. I had a lot of gas and it was very rank, it smelled like sulfur. Someone walked in the the bathroom adn walked right back out. The turd soup was yellow-ish in color and naturally had no form. Clean up was kind of a mess but not as bad as you would think. I rate this as a 5. (It gets points subtracted for lack of form, but gains some back due to overall experience and smell)

I will not be posting tommorrow. I am undergoing surgery for my kidney disorder. If I go to 'The Big Toilet in the Sky' as it were, I have left instructions to leave my username and password for this account somewhere on the net to be found. Take care and if I bite it, good luck with the Turd Report account!

wow (-1)

ArchieBunker (132337) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917153)

Just wanna say we all hope you make it through ok. Slashdot would never be the same without you.

Re:The Turd Report 01/28/2002 (-1)

trollercoaster (250101) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917219)


I hope it wasn't the beer! I have a site visit tomorrow in Ashburn, and was planning on filling my growler at the pub before I went home.

Do you remember the beer you had?

Am I missing something? (3, Insightful)

Graelin (309958) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917036)

Or does the Loki email imply the release of Loki game source code? And how much of it?

This is probably wishful thinking, of course it is, but the impact it would have on the Linux gaming world would be awesome. Heh, Loki would do more for Linux gaming dead that it ever did alive...

Ohh well, it's only karma..

Re:Am I missing something? (4, Informative)

Fnord (1756) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917066)

No it means the preservation of loki's already open source code (SDL, OpenAL). Loki can't open their game code. They licensed the source from the original Windows versions under proprietary terms so they could port them. Unless Loki managed to convince every company they ported a game for to open the Windows versions as well then its not going to happen.

Re:Am I missing something? (2, Interesting)

xwred1 (207269) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917241)

There were a few internal Loki "infrastucture" projects that weren't released, like OpenNL (DirectPlay like thing, Network Library).

No Loki games are going to be open sourced, but I hope their source is preserved by someone. It'd be nice to see Deus Ex revived some day, I really wanted that one game. :(

AIBO Hack (5, Funny)

doooras (543177) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917040)

Can you hack an AIBO to make it hump people's legs, or micturate on their shoes?

mabye this is what sony was afraid of? (1)

Narcocide (102829) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917092)

Imagine a whole army of renegade AIBOs released upon Sony's corporate headquarters, indiscriminantly humping and micturating all over everything in they're path.

Re:AIBO Hack (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917106)

modded as troll? man, somebody doesn't have a sense of humor. it could have even been a serious question.

Re:AIBO Hack (1)

teasea (11940) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917112)

Maybe. But I think I can get it to hump a doughnut and piss on your hush Puppies.

Re:AIBO Hack (0)

StuffMaster (412029) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917235)

Or eat crap like my dog does???

It would be nice if my AIBO could clean up my dog's piles :)

Without reverse engineering... (1)

christurkel (520220) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917043)

We would have taken a lot longer to develop: Rockets Jet Engines Delta wing planes Algebra and so on...

Buying a Product...and the DMCA (5, Interesting)

Ieshan (409693) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917044)

It seems interesting to me that the DMCA allows no condition of fair use when it comes to breaking encryption on purchases - at least, this is how the article presents it.

Notice that Aibopet never actually uses the code within the Aibo to make a profit. Someone could argue, technically, that he uses it to make a name for himself, but he hardly even does that. I think it's interesting that Sony would choose to pursue legal action on the basis that the code was cracked, not that something illegal was done with the code.

This is something like purchasing a refrigerator, dismantling it, using the fan to cool yourself, and using the shelves inside to hold books. Sure, it wasn't the intended use of the product, but who's the seller to determine the intended use and then legally enforce that use? Encryption was brought about for a variety of reasons, but one of the reasons wasn't to make sure that a product was used in a specific way - rather, it's primary ability is to keep other people from making a profit on someone else's ideas.

As long as Aibopet isn;t doing that, I don't really understand Sony's original position on the issue.

Re:Buying a Product...and the DMCA (2)

AntiNorm (155641) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917069)

Your comment applies well to other DMCA things, e.g. DeCSS. But, unfortunate as it is, what more can you expect in the way of consumer rights with a law that was all but purchased by corporations in the first place?

Re:Buying a Product...and the DMCA (1)

Cyno (85911) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917218)

Nice one. I personally think our government should put up a website where they can auction off laws to the highest bidder. Right next to the buy-your-own-judge.com.

Re:Buying a Product...and the DMCA (2, Informative)

Danielle Gatton (534290) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917113)

Sony didn't (or hasn't yet) pursue legal action. They did hold out the threat of legal action under the DMCA, but they have since reached an agreement with this guy allowing him to put most of his software back on the web. The SciAm article only makes that they still could start legal action, but this seems unlikely given the agreement.

They do make money from sales of Sony-produced software addons to the Aibo ($150 per upgrade, according to the article), so this guy's software could potentially cost them some revenue. Of course, this might well be offset by the increased sales of hardware AiboPet's software generates. I imagine some Sony bean-counters figured out the balance between the two, and decide it was in their interest to let AiboPet keep at it.

Re:Buying a Product...and the DMCA (4, Informative)

Cato the Elder (520133) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917127)

"Encryption was brought about for a variety of reasons, but one of the reasons wasn't to make sure that a product was used in a specific way"

Yes, but the DMCA was designed so that products can only be used a certain way. A really really stupid, really really bad law, yes, but that's how it is.

As for Sony's original position, the Scientfic American article leaves out an important factor. Originally, the AiboPet site had backups of Sony's software, obtained through crecking the encryption, available for download. Sony had a legitimate concern that these would be used improperly. Sure, no other hardware platform will run the stuff now, but it does make it easier to make clones or illegal copies of the code. Once Sony turned the lawyers loose, I think they went overboard, basically demanding that the entire site be shut down, originally. After the protests, they moderated their position quite a bit, but the "backups" are still gone.

Re:Buying a Product...and the DMCA (1)

kellin (28417) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917164)

The lawyers (or someone with half a brain) probably realized in the end that it was a mistake to let loose all the dogs of war.

The removal of the backups sounds more like a case of "copyright protection" than anything, and not really related to DMCA, itself. As my understanding of copyright/trademark laws go, if you don't protect your (c) or tm, you basically give up all rights to it, so they had no choice but to at least go after the backups. I'm sure at some point the clones will come out, though...

Re:Buying a Product...and the DMCA (1)

rgmoore (133276) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917303)

The lawyers (or someone with half a brain) probably realized in the end that it was a mistake to let loose all the dogs of war.

I think that the key factor is that overly threatening openings are just par for the course in legal matters like this. It's like any kind of negotiation; you always ask for more than you want or need so that you can give something up as part of the bargaining. Sony probably didn't want to shut down the site completely, but threatening to do so was very effective in getting the owner's attention. You may not like it, but that's the way that things are done.

Re:Buying a Product...and the DMCA (1)

JMZero (449047) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917215)

Sometimes I use Lego to build things not illustrated on the cover. And I do not add the correct supplements to my Rice Krispies to make it a true "part of a complete breakfast".

I think it's ludicrous that Sony can do this.

Unfortunately, nobody disagrees with me so I can't really get going...

Loki Games (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917055)

I don't quite understand. Is Loki putting the full version of all their games in CVS, or just the demos?

Re:Loki Games (2, Interesting)

Danielle Gatton (534290) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917209)

Just the Loki-written stuff that hasn't already been released under other projects. The installer, stuff like that.

Computer Class cheating (0, Offtopic)

commonchaos (309500) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917056)

ahh... good, the last post on "CS anti-cheating" spawned way too many posts about Counter-Strike...

the fall of Sony? (5, Insightful)

motherhead (344331) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917057)


I wonder if a projection exists in the corporate organs of Sony that demonstrates how much loss of revenue and market share Sony Consumer Electronics Division stands to loose in the next five years thanks to the aggressive lobbying, litigation and posturing of the Sony media and content creation divisions.

It just seems to me that the money in consumer electronics is going to go to companies like Phillips and other (smaller) manufacturers that help consumers exploit and enjoy content any damn way they want.

Sony makes some marvelous and high quality components and gadgets, but revenue will go to the companies that offer devices that accommodate the way consumers want to use them, rather then devices that will accommodate the way a company wants to use consumers.

Trying to have a market created and tamed through legislation and ill conceived laws damn well should torpedo your empire.


Re:the fall of Sony? (4, Insightful)

kellin (28417) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917117)

Why is it people like you seem to think so narrowly? Is it because you're surrounded only by fellow geeks who think the same way you do, and therefore you can't possibly imagine people purchasing products that don't allow the freedom you want?

This isn't a troll, just a criticism.

There are SO many ignorant people out there (And yes, thats ignorant, not stupid, there's a difference), that don't know any better and buy whatever the moronic sales guy says at Circuit Shitty, CompLoser or WalFart.

Hell, I'm a geek too and prefer things that can give me more flexibility, but that's not the case with most people. Proof in this comes from a friend who works at Tower Records. People bitch about the price of CDs, she TELLS them there's a record store down the street that sells the SAME CDs cheaper, and they STILL buy at Tower. Go FIGURE. (ok, in this case, it is stupidity, but most people just don't know better.)

Re:the fall of Sony? (1)

stressky (218896) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917203)

Hell, I'm a geek too and prefer things that can give me more flexibility, but that's not the case with most people. Proof in this comes from a friend who works at Tower Records. People bitch about the price of CDs, she TELLS them there's a record store down the street that sells the SAME CDs cheaper, and they STILL buy at Tower. Go FIGURE. (ok, in this case, it is stupidity, but most people just don't know better.)


I beg to differ. It's most likely habbit more than anything else. If people usually buy from one store, they may bitch and complain about the store every now-and-again, but they'll still buy from it.

Most people are creatures of habbit.

Re:the fall of Sony? (1)

vukv (550649) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917236)

1. apple has been the most vigilant prosecutor of anything that violates their copyrights yet they seem doing better and better 2.SONY did not like people decrypting their software and puting it up for downloads. Anyone, including competing companies could download it and use it to their liking. Now I dont really see anything wrong with that... End of Sony really seems a little bit premature ;-)

This is all I gotta say (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917077)

http://desynch.dhs.org/static/pics/reminder.jpg

Re:This is all I gotta say (-1)

The Lyrics Guy (539223) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917174)

I'm printing that out and putting it on the newsboard at work. Thanks.

Re:This is all I gotta say (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917259)

Christ, this should've been given a 5, funny. You moderators need to go take a crap once in a while, your sphincter is too tight.

(I got mod points the other day, but I didnt use them cause there was nothing good to use them ON!)

One must wonder (5, Insightful)

Restil (31903) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917091)

Why does sony even care? I mean, maybe they're hoping for a long history of upgrades in the future that they can charge end users for, but in the end, if there is other software available for AIBO, people will still have to buy the product to use them. And if more poeple are buying AIBO's so they can use the hack than those who are purchasing it for the original intent, WHO CARES!

Sony still gets their money from it.

-Restil

My cock (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917103)

My cock is really hard. I need relief. Any boys under 12 around?

Love,
Jon Katz

Re:My cock (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917252)

I'm here, Uncle Katz! It's little Davie! Come suck on my little weewee, Uncle Katz! I'll let you tie me up and rape my mouth all you want if you tickle my feet with your huge man pole!

Random Uneducated Question (5, Interesting)

Drake42 (4074) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917107)

If the illegality is in breaking the encryption, could some secure 3rd party break the encryption and send me the results. Posetion of cracked data is not an offence, is it? Maybe some Ukranian crack-boy could make a living cracking the encryption on popular items and then selling the results back into the US. What is anybody going to do if I release some code for something, based on publicly available specs. (Even if those specs are the result of some work done elsewhere that couldn't be done here.) Isn't that how PC cloning got started with Clean Room reverse engineering?

Hear ye, hear ye... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917108)


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HAVE A NICE DAY [cyclone.mine.nu] .

I may have to get a Robot dog!! (5, Funny)

Kasmiur (464127) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917115)

"Meanwhile, back in America, some owners delight in replacing Aibo's soothing beeps with the voice of Cartman, the potty-mouthed South Park character. "

I can see it now.
Me: Fetch fido
dog: AAaaaah my ass is on fire!!

MILLIONTH SLASHDOT POST!!! CONGRATULATIONS!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917133)


You are the one millionth slashdot.org post [cyclone.mine.nu] and you have to choose a prize behind one of three secret doors!!

Ok Anonymous Coward, what do you choose and please tell the audience what you think is behind the door you have chosen?

Door 1, please...maybe it's an AIBO with a dildo (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917158)

I want to use my voice commands to stear the aibo over my anus and tell it:

ME: Aibo, push in
ME: Aibo, pull out

ME: Aibo, repeat previous two commands in series for one-hundred cycles


...I can feel and see it now...

Re:MILLIONTH SLASHDOT POST!!! CONGRATULATIONS!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Traxton1 (154182) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917186)

#2917133 actually, but what do you expect from an unintelligent troll?

A Reign of Error (0, Offtopic)

xah (448501) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917155)

Slashback tonight brings you updates to previous stories on computer-class cheating, Smoothwall, AIBO hacking, the Open Source Directory, and the fate of Loki's CVS.

It's just "computer class cheating."

Read on below for the details! Jon Masters was one of the many to write in after recent articles about automated cheat-detection employed in undergraduate CS classes to catch plagiarists. "Hi, cheat detection is hardly new.

This isn't even consistent. It's either "cheat-detection" or "cheat detection." I would advise the latter.

For example The University Of Nottingham have developed an automated marking/plagarism detection system as part of their CourseMaster software.

Insert a comma after "example." It should be "the University of Nottingham has."

Personally I don't agree with automated assessment in general, however plagarism detection can be useful."

Insert commas after "Personally" and "however." Change "can" to "would."

From the email I've gotten on it, it seems like a whole passel of schools have at least a homegrown solution to CS cheats.

That's either "e-mail" or "Email."

[...] SteveMallett writes "We at Open Source Directory (OSD) have opened the directory to volunteer editors now that we've given app authors and maintainer's a good chance to start and/or maintain their own listings.

That should be "maintainers." Don't use the horrible formation "and/or." The word "or" is sufficiently ambiguous.

Unlike dmoz, which has volunteer editors, we _will_ delete unupdated or neglected editor work in accordance to our Social Contract.

Capitalize "DMOZ." The word "unupdated," is, IMNSHO, a monstrosity. How about "out of date?"

We hope that editors will help fill in the missing apps, take over those listings that they can do a better job of or have become neglected, and find those diamonds in the rough."

At this point, the language has become so bad that it is impossible to understand what is being said.

Yes, someone has to read all those emails.

It's a personal decision now on whether "e-mail" is in plural form without the suffix "s," but it simply cannot be written as "emails." If you add the "s," it's either "e-mails" or "Emails."

kcurtis writes "Boston.com's tech site has this AP article about the large response to the Court's request for comment on the MS case's proposed settlement."

As journalists, you need to be more careful in your use of the word "court." Either say "the court request," or "the United States District Court's request." (I'm not sure which court we are talking about here, so I guessed.) Regarding style, you should make it clearer who proposed the settlement.

[...]Shadow passwords are now in, but it looks like the ppp secrets file is still open (they describe it as being a "non-vulnerability").

Capitalize "PPP." Turn the words in parentheses into a different sentence.

[...] Once that site is set up we'll point the loki domains that direction. They'll also be adding some Loki projects to public CVS which were never completed."

Be consistent. Always capitalize "Loki."

Here's to a better Slashdot. The Slashdot editors would do well to purchase a copy of Garner's "Modern American Usage." It's a fine reference book.

BTW, my caustic comments are all addressed to Slashdot's editors, and not to submitters. It's Slashdot's responsibility to use good language.

Re:A Reign of Error (1, Funny)

kellin (28417) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917188)

Dude, get a life already. Even I dont nitpick gramatical and spelling errors that badly. And no, I could care less if you nitpick this. Also, if you think Slashdot "editors" are bad with grammar, stay away from IRC, your brain will explode.

Re:A Reign of Error (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917270)

Get a life? It's those of us with a life that want others to be clear and succinct. I don't have time to waste trying to figure-out what an illiterate person is trying to say.z

Re:A Reign of Error (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917312)

And no, I could care less if you nitpick this

I think you mean "couldn't" care less. Could care less doesn't make any sense in the context of that sentence.

:P

Re:A Reign of Error (1)

adamjone (412980) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917224)

BTW, my caustic comments are all addressed to Slashdot's editors, and not to submitters.

If your comments are for the editors, and not for the submitters, then why did you comment on the quoted submissions?

Re:A Reign of Error (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917260)

Insert a comma after "example."
Insert commas after "Personally" and "however."
Change "can" to "would."
Capitalize "DMOZ."
Capitalize "PPP."
Turn the words in parentheses into a different sentence.
Be consistent.
Always capitalize "Loki."

Pull the stick out of your butt.

BTW, ...

Replace 'BTW' with 'By the way.' Acronyms should be expanded the first time they are used.

... my caustic comments are all addressed to Slashdot's editors, and not to submitters. It's Slashdot's responsibility to use good language.

They have no responsibility to do anything. If you don't like the site - leave, or start your own at www.LanguagePendantsSlashDot.org (I doubt it's taken) ... oh wait, you can't do that because there is no spaces and no tick mark in the possessive

The Slashdot editors would do well to purchase a copy of Garner's "Modern American Usage." It's a fine reference book.

xah (What!!! A proper name which is not capitalized? The shame of it all is terrifying!) would do well to purchase some Valium. It's a fine sedative.

P.S. If you're going to be anal-retentive about the proper use of language, don't be a hypocrite. According to Internet standards, Email (or e-mail, whichever you prefer) addresses should never be mangled:

xah@[ ]albox.com ['myre' in gap]

Change "xah@[ ]albox.com ['myre' in gap]" to "xah@myrealbox.com"

Re:A Reign of Error (2)

timster (32400) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917268)

I don't agree with you on the "email" issue, though I'm aware that Webster's does. The word "email" no longer *means* "electronic mail", so there's no reason that the hyphenated usage would be appropriate. Essentially I don't see why we would put a hypen in the middle of a legitimate common word. Why not call it "em-ail" then? Also, according to Google "email" is about ten times as common as "e-mail" on the Web. (As an interesting comparison, the correct usage "viruses" is about thirty times as common as the incorrect "virii", even though "virii" is often attributed to Internet users.)
I don't like "Email" either, since email is hardly a proper noun. Let's add "email" to the language. If not now, when?

Re:A Reign of Error (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917275)

The Slashdot editors have proven time and again that they have no grasp of English grammar. It's really a pity, since reliable communication is so increasingly important.

However valuable to me some of the information provided is, I often find myself struggling to keep my most recent meal in my stomach. (I do prefer continued digestion over regurgitation.)

Re:A Reign of Error (2)

jonathan_ingram (30440) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917287)

It should be "the University of Nottingham has."
Using 'have' is acceptable in UK English. Nottingham University is in the UK.

hypocrite (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917310)

Here's to a better Slashdot. The Slashdot editors would do well to purchase a copy of Garner's "Modern American Usage." It's a fine reference book.

Book titles are underlined, not put into quotation marks.

"Personally I don't agree with automated assessment in general, however plagarism detection can be useful."

Insert commas after "Personally" and "however." Change "can" to "would."


What you advise becomes a run-on sentence. A semicolon should go after "general." Also, there's nothing wrong with "can be useful." 'would be useful" has a different meaning.

slashKKKdot? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917156)

Why are there zero African-Americans employed at Slashdot?

Because they are on the clothes-line...not dry yet (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917182)

I'm just kidding, dude. Slashdot has no black employees yet because there is yet a black person to join. Also, friends tend to stick together and maybe they the slashdot editors don't know anyone in CS or IT. The only black people Jon Katz knows are the ones on the corner selling him crack...kidding. please forgive me. Either I am to say it or a real KKK faggot was to say it.


-me likes people calling me fat and ugly when the people calling me of which are fatter and uglier than I.

Game porting without Loki ? (5, Interesting)

hack0rama (253610) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917176)

Even if Loki donates all the code to the community. The community cannot port games. Since the game publisher needs a company to license the code under some contract.

I hope another company picks up everything from Loki. Does all the contract/licensing stuff, but unlike Loki try and make use of volunteer work from the community to save money. I am willing to provide few hours of my time, for getting games on Linux and I sure hope there will be others.

I am aware of the issues of volunteer work vs full time employees. The contarct/licensing issues of closed source games. Maybe its all just wishfull thinking. Sigh ..

MS comments online? (2, Informative)

innocent_white_lamb (151825) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917189)

The Boston article is ambiguous as to whether the complete comments that the public sent in will be available online.

I, for one, believe that reading those comments would be a very instructive exercise.

It seems reasonable to expect that comments solicited online should be published online and not just printed onto thin paper in 3-point type and filed in boxes in the storage room of a courthouse somewhere.

aaaaaahhhhhh (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917192)

God! Oh my God! Oh my fucking, holy God! My God, Slashdot, you really did it this time. You really, truly did it. The entire day without covering ANYTHING remotely useful or interesting. Monkey.NET goes closed source?! Some Open Source clown doesn't like Outlook Express!? Mandyke Lunix release a new version of their gayware!?!?!?! Some fucking game company bought the UN or something!?!?!?

MY GOD, MALDA!!! WHAT A COMPLETE AND TOTAL, UTTER PILE OF OVERFLOWING SLOP!!! SLOP! SLOP! TOTAL, COMPLETE, UNADULTERATED SLOP!!!

Slop! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917244)

Rename this site to slopdot.org! It's a total and complete pile of dog slop!! It's overflowing with slop! Damned fucking piece of sloppy shit!! Fuckingslopdot.org! Stupid fucking gays slopping their spooge all over each other and all over the frontpage! SLOP! SLOP!!! Fucking idiots.

Useless.

What's wrong with this picture? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917265)

"Microsoft and its critics both worked to ensure their views were reflected in the comments. Americans for Technology Leadership, made up of Microsoft and several others friendly to the software giant, offered letter writers extra chances to win a handheld computer."

Elsewhere, it mentions other free computers given out, but says that they always do that at meetings...

Link as wide as my ass... (1)

ThatComputerGuy (123712) | more than 12 years ago | (#2917271)

So, how long till the damn links are fixed?

Bribes or prizes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917302)

So M$ are offering substantial *prizes* for people who write in to support their cause in this public comment period? How can this possibly be legal? Isn't it akin to bribing a witness or something?

Is there a lawyer in the house?

Hacked AIBO's (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2917315)

Imagine a BeoWOLF Cluster of THESE!!!
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