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User Review of Transmeta-Based Aquapad

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the pick-up-chicks dept.

Handhelds 153

An Anonymous Coward writes: "Remember when dot.com's were profitable and webpads were these cool little toys that were going to explode? Well that never happened but it seems like at least one company has actually come out with a Midori Linux webpad...called the Aquapad - looks kind of cool but only uses flash memory, so no storage :( I don't know if it would really be worth getting, but it looks like fun."

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153 comments

Nawwww, I can't say it.... (-1, Offtopic)

Chuqmystr (126045) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960430)

1ST! OOps, sorry...

Re:Nawwww, I can't say it.... (-1)

Klerck (213193) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960444)

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I'm scared of the great big eye (-1)

the_furies (541751) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960551)

Re:Nawwww, I can't say it.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2960445)

I used to be disgusted, now I find I'm just amused. -- Elvis Costello

Yet another PDA... (-1)

the_furies (541751) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960432)

Wow. Slow news day, huh? Here's [joblo.com] a picture of Sarah Michelle Gellar french-kissing Selma Blair. Hope this livens things up a little.

Re:Yet another PDA... (0)

geeky-troll (552499) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960694)

Hm, that link doesnt work. please fix it, it makes the difference between a good and a bad day

kibbles and bits kibbles and bits (-1)

DivineOb (256115) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960433)

I'd like to eat some niggers and shits...

Re:kibbles and bits kibbles and bits (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2960457)

I used to be disgusted, now I find I'm just amused. -- Elvis Costello

Re:kibbles and bits kibbles and bits (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2960469)

I used to be disgusted, now I find I'm just amused. -- Elvis Costello

Re:kibbles and bits kibbles and bits (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2960486)

I used to be disgusted. Then , for a time, I was amused. Then I got bored. Then I trolled. Then I crapflooded. Then, I got bored again. Then, I moved to kuro5hin [kuro5hin.org] , where the moderation actually works and the discussions are worth reading.

This just in... (2, Funny)

Tregod (441880) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960435)

Aqua pad floats in water! (not recommended)

No storage - but Wireless access point..... (3, Informative)

Sonicboom (141577) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960442)

"A developers kit accompanied this AquaPad which included an 802.11b WLAN Access Point, and 802.11b Cisco Aironet 350 Series PCMCIA card.
"

It can be effectively used as a dumb term - all storage would be on the server side.

Re:No storage - but Wireless access point..... (1, Interesting)

Chuqmystr (126045) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960455)

Yeh, that's what I was thinking when I read it. I've got a buddy whose business runs their entire warehousing app over a browser and this could be useful. Other that that it could make for an expensive remote control as it were. Have an intranet at home with a bunch of X10 junk hooked up to the server, run xmms remotely, and other such buffoonery.

Re:No storage - but Wireless access point..... (2, Informative)

pacc (163090) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960506)

And a microdrive compatible compact flash slot gives you at least 1Gb, does that count?

Re:No storage - but Wireless access point..... (1)

Basje (26968) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960733)

I see these devices as an excellent thing at any large factory or plant.

Many times there's a control room to which all the data is sent. The mechanic looks at the diagnostics, on screen, and goes to the device that malfunctions. If he makes changes, he has to rely on flashing lights and broken screens. Then he has to call or go back to see what's changed, only to make some other adjustments. And so on.

With one of these or similar devices (the aquapad as presented wouldn't stand a chance in an industrial environment), he could enter the machine he's working on (or better, ID it with IR) and get the data realtime. This would save money, as there's no need to have someone answering the phone and telling the mechanic what appears on the screen, or saves time (==money) if the mechanic doesn't need to go to the control room the whole time.

This mechanism would also allow the diagnostics to evolve even further, as the data would become easily available in such an environment, making it worthwhile.

The Aquaman of Web Appliances. (4, Funny)

Lemmy Caution (8378) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960443)

Just like Aquaman. Pretty much useless in almost every environment.

Offtopic Karma Whoring (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2960485)

The infamous Seanbaby has broken down and analyzed Aquaman's utter uselessness here [seanbaby.com] .

For more information on Aquaman, visit your local library.

Storage: (2)

ImaLamer (260199) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960448)

http://www.mp3newswire.net/stories/2001/microdrive .html

Besides, I want one. This web-pad sounds too cool.

This is the sort of thing I've wanted for years.

Re:Storage: (1)

swankypimp (542486) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960593)

The article says that the Windows version of the Aquapad boots off a built-in microdrive. I couldn't find how large/whether it was configured to be user-writable, though.

No Storage... wrong. (4, Interesting)

Arimus (198136) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960453)

Actually reading the review they say that the CF slot does support the IBM Microdrives... <OT> wonder if IBM remember the Sinclair Spectrum Microdrives?</OT>.

Looking at the device it does look rather nice and given it's underlying OS is Linux the potential for getting to do things its not designed for probably won't be too much effort.

Suggested use, tie it in with a RF locator and web based map of large campus style corporate headquaters and visitors (or employees) need never get lost again ;>

Re:No Storage... wrong. (2)

garcia (6573) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960465)

it also comes w/a PCMCIA slot. You can get TWO microdrives in there then. The IBM drive comes w/a PCMCIA card that you can plug in to read it on laptop's or desktop's w/the PCI adapter.

2G seems plenty for a web pad.

OPEN SOURCE DOESN'T PAY WELL...I MUST POST SPAM!!. (-1)

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Re:No Storage... wrong. (2)

BrookHarty (9119) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960562)

Noticed the screenshots ran IceWM [icewm.com] as its window manager. Rather easy for non unix users to understand and start using also.

Microdrives (0)

morbid (4258) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960923)

Yes, I had a Spectrum 128 and a microdrive.
I used to compile my C programs off it. I had HiSoft C (integer only, K&R) and it could compile from microdrive to RAM. It was hellishly unreliable and I had to make 4 copies of everything. Anyway, it was an order of magnitude cheaper than a floppy drive and interface. I got my interface 1 and microdrive for 50 quid.
I wrote a primitive window and menu library in C and tried to sell it to HiSoft to get enough money to buy an Amiga or ST but, alas, it wasn't to be.
At 14 I wasn't old enough to get a part-time job to fund my computing habbit.
So I was stuck with the Spectrum and my dad's Compaq SLT/286 laptop (12MHz, 1 MB RAM, 640x480 16-shades of grey LCD, 20MB hard drive) and Lattice C.

Re:Microdrives (1)

Arimus (198136) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960941)

Sad thing about that is in those days that laptop wasn't unreasonable and could cope with what software existed for businesses at the time (taking a guess at the age of the laptop etc)...

Where did we go wrong... the current level of feature bloat in Word etc will probably mean we'll all need computers with the power of the Enterprise's just to type a letter...
hiho...

Re:Microdrives (0)

morbid (4258) | more than 12 years ago | (#2961099)

It's true that there's been a lot of software bloat, but other developments have been quite nice.

Operating Systems have become much more sophisticated to the point where multi-user mult-tasking network-aware ones are ubiquitous.

Networking has improved.

User Interfaces have become more friendly.
Think of all those 24-bit images and CD quality sound samples and the amount of space they take up.

It's also much nicer to have the document you're working on appear with colours and fonts etc.

The problem is a lot of the bloat comes from people paying less attention to optimising their code, using better algorithms etc. The other place it comes from is hauling around legacy API's and ABI's so that you can run 20-year-old software.
For many years there was a mindset that if your machine didn't run Lotus 1-2-3 v1 or 2 it was no use (hence why my dad wouldn't buy me an Amiga or ST back in the day... not that I'm bitter -: )

So, we have umpteen standards, API's, ABI's binary formats, document formats etc. and they all need to we supported and converted between.

I wonder if everyone had adopted, say, RTF for word processor documents 20 years ago, how much trouble and code could have been saved...

...but now I digress.

In an ideal world, you'd have something like Java with everything connected to the "network" and objects floating about to do things. Your machine would just get the objects it required to do a certain thing etc. etc....

Cost (2, Informative)

Denito (196701) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960454)

Interesting device..
The review doesn't seem to say anything about cost, but Aquapad.org [aquapad.org] are selling Linux version for 700 bucks. (plus access point if you don't have one)
One thing I don't understand is why it cant view hotmail.com. They say it must be a mozilla problem, but aren't you Mozilla users able to get to Hotmail?

Re:Cost (1, Offtopic)

glwtta (532858) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960462)

Last time I checked, hotmail didn't let mozilla in, but if you set it to identify as IE it worked just fine. So I guess they can't say that Mozilla supports it, even if it does. At least that was my limited experience (I don't normally use hotmail) - anyone else?

Re:Cost (1)

aoeuid (250239) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960615)

Hotmail certainly does allow Mozilla users. I don't use it either, and don't have a single message in my Inbox, but for the purpose of this post I tried and it allowed me in without any problems whatsoever. Mozilla/20020201.

lol (2, Interesting)

Zanek (546281) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960460)

Has Trasmeta actually produced anything to this day that rivaled the hype surrounding their appearance on the scene ?
No.
This aquapad sounds like it would make an excellent liner for my bird cage

How about.. (1)

zome (546331) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960494)

a sub-notebook [zdnet.com] that runs 6 hours between charges? Sure, it's not the fastest machine out there, but my aunt (who still uses Win311+Word 6) still beats me (who has PIII + SO6beta on Redhat 7.1) when it comes to typing some letters. SO6beta is great, but my aunt just happens to type 60 word/min.

Re:How about.. (1)

gazbo (517111) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960718)

You should work in advertising:

Buy Transmeta - because my aunt types 60 wpm

I guess if I look hard I'll see the point you were making.

Re:How about.. (1)

benjymous (69893) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960884)

I'd guess he was trying to say that most users don't need an ultra powerful PC. His Aunt and her ancient machine can out perform him on his high spec box at the task that she uses it for (word processing).

Right?

Cool, but.. (1)

zome (546331) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960467)

I would get IBM Transnote [tigerdirect.com] instead.

Re:Cool, but.. (2)

HeUnique (187) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960792)

They stopped making it - there wasn't any demand for it - sure, it looks cool, but if it doesn't sell well - whats the point?

You can still buy them at eBay...

the conclusions... (5, Informative)

bob@dB.org (89920) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960468)

if you have better things to do then to read 7 long pages of review...

We have presented a lot of information about a relatively simple device, and as there are not really any mobile devices on the market, we have largely been comparing the AquaPad against computing solutions consumers are likely to be using such as notebooks and desktops. In that regard, the Midori Linux based AquaPad has its limitations, but they are not unworkable. As a mobile platform to browse the web the AquaPad functions well - most major websites that deliver content, or news, are built using the most widely acceptable programing. With the exception of Hotmail, we had no difficulties exploring CNN, or TransmetaZone for example.

Multimedia or artistic websites that make use of Java or Shockwave present a hurdle for the AquaPad, so that is something to be aware of. However, support for RealAudio applications like streaming audio or video, and Flash5 is superb, so I guess it's a bit of a trade off.

With its 500MHz Crusoe processor, the AquaPad seemed well equipped to handle the variety of tasks we threw at it, and users who have never used Linux before will be comforted by the Windows-like user interface. The screen size is good for most of the websites on the web at the moment, but as webpages move away from the 800x600 pixel screen support to the larger and more common 1024x768 resolutions, the AquaPad may find itself outsized. For the moment, this is not a problem however.

Probably the neatest thing about the AquaPad was its ability to remotely update the OS over the internet. Battery life is good at just over 3 hours for average web surfing, but placing the DC power port (along with the USB and headphone jacks) behind the small door was awkward. I personally would have preferred to see these ports in a recessed area or along one edge protected by rubberized covers than the fold-down hard plastic port cover used.

The unit is comfortable to hold, and the magnesium alloy casing offers a tough alternative to what would otherwise be plastic. I especially like the little spot to hold the stylus, and found the on screen keyboard acceptable in terms of speed for entering in URL addresses.

Memory is one area I think FIC could improve upon. Including a Compact Flash card with the AquaPad would be one step in the right direction, but perhaps switching out the OS's CF card for an IBM microdrive would be even better, even with Linux. FIC tell us that the versions with Windows 98/ME/2000 make us of an internal microdrive however.

While we used the AquaPad extensively for web surfing and streaming audio playback during our evaluation, the problems gaining access into Hotmail limited its use to us a mobile platform for email. An integrated email client would be an interesting addition for the device to support, especially if the memory card was included.

There really is no one line summary that we can make about the AquaPad because its uses are so varied and depend on what each individual user requires. In terms of surfing, 80% of websites we tested it on had no problems and the pages were displayed correctly. Audio quality through the speaker was so so, but via the headphones excellent. The LCD panel was easy to read and bright enough for an office environment, and the touch screen is quite user friendly once you get accustomed to it. Whether or not the AquaPad is right for you, and your intended applications is up to you, but FIC definitely have something interesting here with this little blue magnesium device, and it is sure to turn heads!

2.5 lbs? (2, Informative)

jezzball (28743) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960473)

How is this unit with an 8.4" screen 2.5 lbs?

And only 3.0 hours of battery life? Out of a Crusoe?

It seems as if this unit fits right into where no one would want one - a tablet that weighs as much as a light laptop, is smaller, can do less, and doesn't last any longer.

Am I missing something?

3-hour is impressive (1)

zome (546331) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960508)

I was in the hunt for my new thin-n-light notebook for a while. The lightest one I found was around 2.9lbs. (It was Sony SRsomething, don't remember). Those small notebooks have, well, small batteries. I never found ones that last longer than 2 and a half hours (except one, NEC Daylite, it has extra battery hidden behide monitor tho).

I also looked at some mini notebooks. They are about 2.x lbs, and have battery life about 90min (except one, Fujitsu P series).

I agree that the whole webpad thing is not very practical, but 3 hours of battery life on something 2.5 lbs? That's impressive.

Re:3-hour is impressive (1)

jrz (529260) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960619)

Actually, it's not impressive, as a notebook contains a harddrive, cdrom drive, and does not use a transmeta, which would consume almost no power

Why no integrated wireless? (0, Troll)

David Price (1200) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960475)

Why does the wireless card have to protrude out like that? Why not integrate it, a la Airport, into the chassis of the device, and use large internal antennae?

Sure, you can pull the wireless card and put some other card in - but why not roll it in fully integrated, and leave the slot available?

Midori Linux? (3, Interesting)

ukryule (186826) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960477)

Is this the only current device using Midori Linux [transmeta.com] ?

It's all gone rather quite since Midori first was announced last year - and the In Use [transmeta.com] page on their website has only 2 broken links and this device.

It seems a bit odd that they seem to be ignoring the (large) potential PDA & Mobile phone market in favour of webpads.

Incidentally, the Familiar Project [handhelds.org] is chugging along quite nicely producing a decent Linux PDA OS (for the iPaq only ATM)

Pricing? Midori Linux vs. WinCE? (4, Insightful)

GregGardner (66423) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960478)

I find it interesting that if you follow the link in the review to a place where you can preorder one of these devices: www.aquapad.org [aquapad.org] , the pricing is $700 for both the Midori Linux version and the WinCE version. Doesn't it cost money for the WinCE license? And does it not cost money for the Midori Linux license (GPL)?

I guess this is just one reseller's version of the pricing. Maybe they are just taking a bigger margin on the Linux version. Too bad they don't pass the savings onto the consumer.

Re:Pricing? Midori Linux vs. WinCE? (1, Troll)

Loligo (12021) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960538)

>And does it not cost money for the Midori Linux
>license (GPL)?

Remember, GPL means free as in speech, not NECESSARILY free as in beer.

-l

Here is is folks - The PC is dead (0)

isolation (15058) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960479)

Oh wait nevermind, its 2002 and I still have 5 of em.

hmm, sounds good for... (5, Funny)

supernova87a (532540) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960484)

So you say the aquapad has no hard drive, or document storage system?

Sounds perfect for the busy Enron executive on the go...

Re:hmm, sounds good for... (1)

stuffman64 (208233) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960553)

Well, that busy Enron exec should be rich enough to afford 2 IBM 1GB Microdrives ($360 each) to fit into the two PCMCIA slots. Of course, 2 Microdrives cost as much as the whole unit, so us poor folk can't have 2GB Linux webpads, at least for the time being.

Re:hmm, sounds good for... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2960793)

where is your joke?

Page widening (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2960716)

Page widening - this has been going on for weeks now.

What the fuck is going on with slashdot code monkeys? While you are watching your porn, this place is going down the shitter fast. Clue: it's being done with list and blockquote tags... SO FUCKING DISABLE THOSE TAGS IN POSTS. It's not a perfect solution, and something better will need to be worked on... but IT WILL AT LEAST ALLOW PEOPLE TO READ THE FUCKING SITE AND ONLY INCOVENIENCE POSTERS IN A MINOR WAY.

It's a five minute fix, for fuck's sake. Jesus fucking Christ - do we need to have every story fucked up before you'll get off your fat asses and do something?

So let me get this straight... (-1, Redundant)

Johnny00 (213878) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960487)

This is a linux box without storage, so you get data from a foreign server and display it somehow.

This sounds like a terminal for a mainframe. Technology seems to run full circle, huh?

This would let me VPN into work, SSH to my dev machine and do my job and test the results via browser. I could get rid of the laptop in my living room!

page lengthening post! (-1)

Klerck (213193) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960496)

Don't forget to add me [slashdot.org] to your foes list! Fags!

Back by unpopular demand, more random number crapflooding!

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moz, moz. i care only about moz. (1)

nslu (532403) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960497)

Hmm, mozilla there looks pretty old - something like M18, I was first milestone with 'Blue' theme completely broken and removed. I wonder how much hemorrage it is to build moz 98 to fit into 32mb flash along with XFree86-4, I guess those guys doing Midory finally have managed to rip composer out of mozilla ;-)

Not these again! (1)

scottj (7200) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960501)

I think this is a great device, but I think I've heard about it somewhere before. Oh yeah, now I remember. Timothy, do you remember your previous [slashdot.org] articles [slashdot.org] ? It's not really news the second and third time. Remember: News for Nerds.

Be sure to check out Chris Tom's ongoing review of the AquaPad over at AMDZone [amdzone.com] .

Fujitsu's Pen Tables (3, Informative)

Redking (89329) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960505)

Now, these machines [fujitsupc.com] look real nice!

Me,

What's the use? (4, Insightful)

boopus (100890) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960512)

I had to admit I didn't make it all the way through the review of this particular model, but... The question that always comes to mind is what people are actualy going to use these for. UPS uses a "web pad" of sorts, and it seems to work very well for them, but that's a single use machine. The only real use I can see for these is when they are going to be deployed to do one thing, and have custom applications designed to do their one thing well.

Why? Because there isn't any decent way to get text into them. You can tap out characters on a screen, but that isn't the same as typing, and gets frusterating quickly.

Would it be cool to grab your web pad out of it's charging cradle and relax on the couch? Yes. Untill you decide you want to respond to the guy badmouthing the whole webpad concept on slashdot and try to type a response.

That being said, the lack of storage seems like a good thing, as there really aren't any uses for these that don't involve a network, that's why they're called a webpad.

In the end the geek in me will win, and I'll probably own one... But not untill they're on tigerdirect/ebay for $150.

Writing a flame hard, pushing a button easy (3, Funny)

stud9920 (236753) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960547)

Would it be cool to grab your web pad out of it's charging cradle and relax on the couch? Yes. Untill you decide you want to respond to the guy badmouthing the whole webpad concept on slashdot and try to type a response.
Modding you down using my Aquapad ain't that hard, though.

Re:What's the use? (3, Insightful)

aussersterne (212916) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960552)

...there isn't any decent way to get text into the them. You can tap out characters on a screen, but that isn't the same as typing, and gets frustrating quickly.

There are very nice handwriting recognition systems for other operating systems, just not for Linux. I used Calligrapher for Windows CE (now bought by Microsoft and renamed to Transcriber) and used it to take notes all through college. I was able to scribble fast enough to keep up with professors and accuracy was better than 90-95%, more than enough to make readable notes. When I got my BA, I had >300 printed pages of notes which had been written by hand and recognized in real-time into Pocket Word documents.

My current PDA is a Newton 2100, which I would say gets about 99.5% accuracy for me (it actually "learns" your handwriting as you use it, getting better over time) and I e-mail and post to Usenet with it all the time. I don't even think about it; I never have to bring up the tap-tap keyboard, even for punctuation or unusual symbols like umlauts in German.

For Linux, unfortunately, there isn't anything comparable to either of these handwriting recognizers. I owned a Fujitsu Stylistic and installed Linux+KDE on it on a 12GB drive for a brief moment. I thought I was going to use it as my main computer, only plugging a keyboard into the PS/2 port when I needed to to extensive data entry. Unfortunately, I gave up and sold it because the only Linux-based pen input I could find at all was xscribble, a horrible implementation of Palm's Graffiti, and much less helpful for serious use than Calligrapher/Transcriber under CE or Rosetta/Paragraph under Newton, meaning that with the Stylistic+Linux, I had to have the keyboard plugged in all the time to be useful.

Natural handwriting recognition exists, and it works, quickly and accurately. Just because Palm users or Linux users have never seen it doesn't mean it's not there.

What you fail to appreciate ... (2)

King Of Chat (469438) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960575)

... is that these things are for performing useful tasks. They are for managers/executives to produce on trains, at conferences etc. - anywhere where they might impress someone. I've seen my previous manager on a half-hour train journey get out his laptop, PDA and cellphone. Saldy, he's completely incapable of using any of them.

(bukkake)

Re:What you fail to appreciate ... (1)

aussersterne (212916) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960597)

As far as I'm concerned, taking notes is useful. I took notes in college under WinCE with natural handwriting recognition. Now I often work as an editor and I take notes on my Newton and mark up RTF documents on same using a pen and natural handwriting recognition.

Why is that not as useful as what an executive needs to do? Actually, maybe I missed the point... Maybe the point is that executives are not all that useful...

Re:What you fail to appreciate ... (2)

King Of Chat (469438) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960641)

Bugger. I missed out a "not" - as in "these things are not for performing useful tasks".

That's what comes of trying to get a quick post in before a meeting.

I still don't get it (Re:What's the use?) (1)

Sleeper (7713) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960595)

Yeah it's kind of nice toy.

But I have to say. All these years when various companies were rolling out different "digital appliances" have proved me one thing. Nothing beats general purpose computer. If you need portability get yourself a good laptop. You will pay 3-5 times more but it will be much more usefull. That is there will be 100 times more ways to kill your time or to organize your time (whatever your preference is).
I predict. One day on Slashdot there will be a post about a guy who found a way to attach a keyboard and a harddrive to this aquapad and I will smile

What's the use? DOMOTICA! (1)

fons (190526) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960596)

A bit expensive perhaps, but if i would have a lot of money, I would mount one on the wall in every room in my house.

I would be able to listen to music from my entertainment server [apestaart.org] , watch who's at the door control the lights in that room, and so much more!

It would be geek-heaven!

Re:What's the use? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2960674)

Wireless porn tablet baby, wireless porn tablet.

Re:What's the use? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2960942)

Yeah, but unless you're using headphones the quality of the moaning would suck ;)

And the writeup by slashdot explains all (1)

nervlord1 (529523) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960520)

THATS the problem with all these aqua pads, these expensive palms: They LOOK cool, but WHO will buy them, you need something that people dont want to just play with, they want to BUY and USE and keep. Toy's dont make profit, extremly useful, simple, and most importantly: COST EFFECTIVE devices are what most people want.

Portable Web Access? (1)

LinuxInDallas (73952) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960523)

Well, one use for this puppy would be for a portable Web terminal for browsing and email. If it's cheap enough and comes bundled with some good handwriting recognition software it may just be worth it. Granted, I wouldn't replace my PC with it but perhaps the general web browsing/email reading populous would like it.

Couple this with online services (financial, email, messaging, Pron :) and we could have a winner.

32MB ROM, 128MB RAM?? (1)

haunebu (16326) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960526)

Powered by a 500MHz TM5400 Transmeta Crusoe processor with 128MB of PC133 SDRAM, and a Midori Linux operating system based out of a 32MB Compact Flash card, the AquaPad is the definition of a low-footprint device.

This one caught my eye. My first question is: Why would the device need 128MB RAM, four times the amount of ROM? Does Midori Linux really need that much room to maneuver? Just seems a bit excessive, to me, since Mac OS X is about 20 times larger, yet requires significantly less that 128MB (without pageouts) with a bunch of apps open.

Re:32MB ROM, 128MB RAM?? (2)

MisterBlister (539957) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960549)

This one caught my eye. My first question is: Why would the device need 128MB RAM, four times the amount of ROM? Does Midori Linux really need that much room to maneuver? Just seems a bit excessive, to me, since Mac OS X is about 20 times larger, yet requires significantly less that 128MB (without pageouts) with a bunch of apps open.

The Midori, like most palm-type systems, doesn't have a harddrive (yes, you can add one of those IBM MicroDrives via the PCMCIA port, but its not standard). So where do you think your apps (other than those bundled in the ROM) are going to live? What about your data (mp3s, text files, whatever you use the pad to create)?

Probably in that 128MB of RAM.

Re:32MB ROM, 128MB RAM?? (1)

k2r (255754) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960814)

> [...] Mac OS X is about 20 times larger, yet
> requires significantly less that 128MB

I do not know where you got this "information",
but MacOSX 1.2 on 256MB RAM pages as hell.
You don't want to "use" mosx below 128MB, because
nothing seroius would run without being paged to
disc.

But you definitely want to use MacOSX in General:-)
It's lovely and it feels like MacOS and *X at the same time.

k2r

Re:32MB ROM, 128MB RAM?? (1)

haunebu (16326) | more than 12 years ago | (#2961002)

That's funny... I've got OS X running now with IE and terminal open and have got zero pageouts... maybe somethin's funky with your system (like you're running Classic)?

good for meetings - especially with WLAN (1)

jlemmerer (242376) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960532)

this seems to be a good invention for meetings. while PDA's are ususally by far too small for taking notes and Laptops are too big, this thing cries to be used to take notes and then- when everything is done - send it to the other participants by mail via WLAN. I at least will recommend the Aquapad to my company (at least to test it and to get one in my hand). Another cool feature is that you can choose your OS, another plus compared to the average PDA. (Although in my opinion Win 2000 doesn't make sense on this piece of hardware). I just wonder how long the batteries last before they need recharging....

Usefull, but maybe limited as a surf board (1)

hack0rama (253610) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960533)

I like the idea, with ssh/vnc it can be very usefull for me as a control terminal from my couch. But the non-availability of quicktime, shockwave plugins on linux will make it less attractive as a surf board.

Maybe they should license Crossover plugin from Codeweavers [codeweavers.com] and have mozilla preconfigured to use them.

But on second thoughts, I am not sure about the license issues of redistributing the windows plugins through Crossover. Crossover asks us to install the windows plugins through Wine by clicking through the vendors EULA and other stuff.

"Vertical markets" (2)

psocccer (105399) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960540)

I think they're right, for the most part webpads are ahead of their time in the consumer market. I know I'd like one, but I've also got 3 pc's and a wireless lan, not exactly average.

I do believe that their right on the mark though about the so called "Vertical Markets." I can think of many uses for this in industrial applications. I think it'd be great for things like physical inventory, instead of sending out hordes of people to count inventory and report back on sheets to be keyed in the main system to be reconciled, they could just walk the floor with these and eliminate the data punching. Or for replacing pick tickets for order fullfillment, no more printing and it could even show mass-overstock locations in a warehouse so if the shelf is empty the picker doesn't need to look up the overstock location.

Basically I could see it used anywhere there is a need for information on demand, allowing the users to be untied from their PC connection to the mainframe system, so they can get the info they want when they need it, instead of going back and forth. If priced right, it could easily show an ROI quickly in reduced labor and increased productivity. Especially good in times like this where the economy is bad and things like hardware distribution are already low-margin businesses at best.

Since it's basically a computer with not harddrive, all that's needed is a little gateway programming, and if done right that could spill easily into enabling things like the SPT-1700 wireless scanning palm pilots. The webpad could be used for more interactive applications where the added screen space would benefit, and the SPT-1700 could fill in where scanning and minor keypunching is needed, especially receiving product on the docks. No more keying item codes, just scan barcodes and the system can automatically do the recieving!

I can't wait until these things start coming down in price and commodity so they become a viable option for medium sized business.

GPS! (4, Troll)

Perdo (151843) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960542)

This thing is dieing for GPS. Current GPS handheld's maps are too small and no on likes to mount their laptop to the dash. Imagine Taxis, UPS, and Fire/Police with these including the connection so dispatchers could remotely tag the drivers map.

How about an Aquapad vs Mira review? (2)

BrookHarty (9119) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960543)

Microsoft has a computer pad called the Mira, its not really a PC, but uses winxp's built in terminal services to allow you to view video/audio and surf the web. Heres a link for the Mira [com.com]

I think the kids could use a Aqua as a seperate computer, they could use it for IM, Email, Web, maybe attach a keyboard or some kind of docking station when they need to use it for more indepth work. If the prices where right, and could beat a 300-400 dollar computer system from pricewatch [pricewatch.com] then I could see myself buying it. Unless its a geek impluse buy for myself. :)

Even thou people are working on portable hardware, the remote desktop control is either TightVNC [tightvnc.com] or MS Remote Desktop [microsoft.com] . And M$ Remote desktop is much quicker, plays video, audio and games over a lan network. Not knocking tightvnc, I use it on my unix and solaris boxes. Good thing the Aquapad runs WinXP, that will secure some good sales in the non-linux markets.

-
If I had to sum up in one word what makes a good manager, I'd say decisiveness. You can use the fanciest computers to gather the numbers, but in the end you have to set a timetable and act. - Lee Iacocca

Possible Uses (4, Interesting)

Selanit (192811) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960565)

This could be very useful in a large networked environment, for monitoring system status on your servers remotely. It wouldn't even require modification of the system, if your server has "statu page" accessible by web browser. Alternatively, you could use VNC [att.com] and get the added benefit of not only monitoring your server remotely, but being able to perform system maintenance remotely.

I suppose the VNC scenario would depend on a couple of things:

  1. Input problems. Can that stylus/on-screen keyboard be used quickly enough once you get used to them? Having to carry around a USB keyboard all the time would put a serious dent in its usefulness for remote administration.
  2. Using the VNC server's built-in web server, which has permission to serve up one single page containing a Java applet that hooks into VNC to allow web-based control, might be a problem. Looks like the review had a hard time getting Java to work properly in Mozilla.
  3. Using VNC like this might open up some security concerns, particularly if you're a large company. Under ordinary circumstances, you can tunnel VNC through SSH to increase its security, but I don't think that would work in this case without modifying the aquapad in such a way that Mozilla could understand SSH. Still, if you have the know-how that can be done -- ain't open-source great?

If you're a bit more daring, I bet you could modify this in such a way as to make it a nice, portable media outlet. It's got an MP3 player already. It'd take some doing, but you could make it capable of streaming movies over the network also. 802.11b's 11-megabit pipe is fine for DivX-encoded movies. (Note: the thing's OS is flash-based. If you try making modifications and screw it up . . . it wasn't my idea! Unless you are a Linux Guru, capable of causing device drivers to rewrite themselves by sheer force of will, it's probably best to leave well enough alone.)

One hopes that future versions might include 1) a hard drive, for example an IBM microdrive, which would make fiddling with the OS's guts a lot simpler and safer. Note that the article says the Windows CE version already uses a microdrive -- so maybe you could get a windows version, wipe it, and install Linux? 2) USB 2.0 instead of 1.1. 3) *Integrated* 802.11b, so you could use that PCMCIA slot for something else.

Finally -- that green-haired chick that serves as Midori's [transmeta.com] emblem is cool. I wonder what she's looking at. Perhaps she is looking down at Tux, and wondering how it is that she came to be co-starring with a penguin.

You don't need VNC - Use X11 Compression (1)

NZheretic (23872) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960660)

Like Medialogic's MLview-dxpc [medialogic.it]

You can use USB disk drives with this! (2)

tftp (111690) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960567)

The device has USB ports, and usb-storage module is fairly stable. The USB 1.1 is not very fast, but 1 MBps should be enough for this little webpad...

They also say that you can connect keyboard and mouse through the USB too; this makes it a decent portable system, not a notebook but something like Palm Pilot with cradle, keyboard, charger etc. etc.

This surely can be used in vertical markets, but no vertical market will want this *consumer* device. In real world (on factory floor, in shipping etc.) the portable terminals must be much more rugged to survive the abuse. This one has *no chance*, and I worked in that industry. A terminal usually must survive 10 hours fully submerged in water (while turned on and working), or work after 4 feet drop on concrete, or work at minus temperatures for freezer use, etc.

The most likely user I can think of is a lazy geek who ate so much pizza that he can't get to his computer!

Great for tricking out your house! (1)

fons (190526) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960582)



These look great to mount on the wall and control things like lights, music and security cams throughout the house.


A bit expensive if you want to install one in every room. But it would be cool! I mean, these things have a TOUCH screen and wireless LAN!


would be great to integrate in our home entertainment project. [apestaart.org]

Since when? (5, Funny)

Agent Green (231202) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960587)

An Anonymous Coward writes: "Remember when dot.com's were profitable...

Where was I when this was happening???

Probably building in a bunker... (1)

Dusabre (176445) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960818)

to avoid the fallout from the the exploding webpads.

That was meant to read 'building a bunker' (1)

Dusabre (176445) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960826)

I blame the weather.

Web pads will never be as good as the real thing (1)

global_diffusion (540737) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960589)

... because you can't invite a girl to your web pad.

Re:Web pads will never be as good as the real thin (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2960819)

unless your dates are spiders too...

Re:Web pads will never be as good as the real thin (2)

jgerman (106518) | more than 12 years ago | (#2961037)

With jokes like that, somehow I doubt you're getting women to your real pad. jk ;)

The Crusoe, a software-based processor (1)

Shiny Metal S. (544229) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960610)

The Crusoe processor, as most of you already know, is a software-based processor. This means that the native language this X86 compatible chip operates under is 128-bit VLIW (Very Long Instruction Word). VLIW is something that bears no resemblance to that of traditional Intel chips, which are also known as X86 processors.
Is there any way to reach that 128-bit VLIW directly, without the whole overhead of translating from x86 code? If that processor is so fast with the translation step, it would be a very fast without it.

Wouldn't that be a good idea for Transmeta to run Midori Linux natively on their own chip, instead of emulating Intel instruction set? I know that the compatibility with x86 is important for a chip today, but when they're using their own OS, it seems to be, well, not the best idea, even considering the ammount of work to port the software (which is still nothing compared to designing the translation layer).

Compare Midori Linux/Transmeta to WinXP tablet PC (2, Interesting)

PhrozenF (205108) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960627)

If any of you happen to have seen Microsoft's announcement and demo of Windows XP (Tablet PC Edition), you would easily be able to figure out why this..the Aquapad won't be succesful, when compared to Windows XP tablet PC...All small mistakes...

In all portable devices, three things matter the most on the usability side...

"data exchangeability"...
"binaries/Software availability"....
"Data Input methods/GUI"....

And these three matter the most on the "Device feasibility" side..

"size/weight"...
"battery life"....
"variety/installed base".....

Now...looking at the midori/transmeta combo, sure..it has x86 Linux binary compatibility...nice...but what Tablet PC type apps are there on Linux.....is there a single office suite specifically modified for that purpose? Any proper handwriting recognition tool? Any Ink manager? All these apps/APIs will have to be built and standardized before you expect such a device/platform to become popular.

As apps that run on the Tablet PC edition are exactly the same that run on the PCs, and add support fot he INK API that runs as a service on WinXP tablet PC (handwriting recognition), the data generated is exactly compatible to the one on PC apps..full compatibility...

Look at the advantages the Crusoe offers....the whole platform offers around 20% of battery life saving over others..but at the cost of a 40% performance hit..as proved by many benchmarks all around....

Building a simple 600 MHz PIII mobile platform for a tablet PC, is just fine to defeat the crusoe...as it runs almost as long as the crusoe...provides much more power...and is a more commonplace platform with widely adopted production base....making it easier for OEMs to start on that track....and make TabletPC devices...

Size...same.....variety...LOADS....everybody will be making them.....

My advice...first make proper software..then think of hardware to put it onto...not the other way around......

Hardware can be modded to suit specs more easily than software nowadays....OEMS and fabricators offer you the capability to do all that for much lower costs than you had to invest in the past....

Who do you think makes PDAs for Handspring...? Not them....it's a company called Flextronics....the same guys who make the XBOX for microsoft...

Re:Compare Midori Linux/Transmeta to WinXP tablet (1)

Sleeper (7713) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960667)

Flextronics is a huge contract manufacturing house. That is they will assemble for you anything as long as you pay them and prove them that next year you'll come back with even bigger order.
They are hardware/components people and in the framework described in previous phrase they don't give a rat's behind about linux and microsoft.
Basically man, I could not understand you conspiracy theory. Then again it's 2 am here in Bay Area
regards

Remember when dot.com's were profitable (...)? (1)

cyba (25058) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960658)

No I Don't.

I don't understand the point... (3, Insightful)

FastT (229526) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960677)

I don't understand why manufacturers spend so much time and effort making bad design choices with pad-type mobile computers. Why not just take a standard high-end laptop, put a touch screen where the keyboard is, and bundle a top-flight handwriting recognition package with it? Why is it any more complicated than this? I see great opportunities for people who are in the laptop market to buy such a variant--it makes much more sense if the machine will be used in social situations, or in vertical markets.

Not a new thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2960721)

1. Devices like this have been around for ages, and running Linux to boot. I have a Ricoh G-1200s [brucebarrett.com] , for example. This one may or may not be an incremental improvement, but it ain't new.

2. Price? Seven pages of review and no @*^&%$ price ?

Web pads for that time of the month (2)

Ukab the Great (87152) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960738)

The perfect name for a web pad powered by free software: the StayFree Pad.

Unfortunately I think there might be a few too many copyright [stayfree.com] issues involved.

Interesting..... (-1, Offtopic)

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build your own (4, Informative)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960785)

Go to ebay, search for tablet pc or pen pc.

get one of the toshiba models 1000,2200 perferabaly
install linux
install a 802.11b card.

get the same thing for less than 1/2 the price of this webpad, and run kde with an aqua theme.

you now have something better, more configurablem and massively cheaper.

sorry but webpads are never going to sell until they can get one in my hands for less than $199.00 and no service charges, works with your own home network.

and we all know that will never happen.

If only it had an SVGA port (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2960838)

while I'd love to get a new aquapad, I'm not going to because

  • it cannot drive an external monitor
  • the screen resolution (800x600) is too poor

I do all my work on an old (1024x768) 64Mb sony vaio running NT4 with one pcmcia slot for a wireless network card. I run xterm, emacs, etc on remote servers via X; Opera/IE/Netscape, Acrobat, and P4Win locally and VNC on that rare occasion I need remote access to the windows-based print server. I use Visio, Word and Excel as well about once a month.

I only use the laptop's screen and keyboard during meetings away from my desk. The rest of the time I use an external keyboard, mouse and monitor.

The machine I have is nearly 4 years old. A comparable model on ebay [ebay.com] is going for $375 (I paid $2000 when it was new). If sony were to come out with a smaller and even more portable unit with the same feature set as my vaio, I would buy it in a second.

Originally BeOS Tablet? (1)

hangdog (8755) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960858)

Does anybody remember if this was originally designed to run Be?

I seem to remember this device being a future BeOS platform...

Profitable?!? (2)

Amigori (177092) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960920)

Were dot.coms really profitable? Or are you just remembering the days were VC's were making poor investments in very, very risky, long-term business plans.

Whew! (1)

Foehg (48006) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960954)

Sure glad *MY* webpad never exploded...:-)

transmetazone.com (1)

loconet (415875) | more than 12 years ago | (#2960976)

Ha, looks like they're running their webserver off their aquapad

To bad their webserver doesn't run on this thing (1)

CounterZer0 (199086) | more than 12 years ago | (#2961018)

It'd probably still be alive today:

Windows NT error number 2 occurred.

Hospitals, etc. as market (1)

Insightfill (554828) | more than 12 years ago | (#2961093)

The market for this might be similar to the one for "Ginger", or whatever - large, contained area where mobility is important and wireless is easy.

Hospitals, warehouses. Think about any job where running around with little books or slips of paper is big, and you've got your audience.

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