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Lab Develops Artificial Womb

michael posted more than 12 years ago | from the barrayar dept.

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Meowharishi writes: "According to this article at the Observer, scientists from Cornell University have successfully developed the first artificial womb. Embroys successfully attached themselves to the walls of these wombs and began to grow but were terminated to comply with regulations. Developments like this really offer tremendous opportunities for creating a family for those who cannot have children the old fashioned way."

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fp (-1, Offtopic)

prizzznecious (551920) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984802)

again? holy shit in an ass!

DONATE YOUR ASS TO SCIENCE. (-1)

L.Torvalds (548450) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984810)

They can now make a womb out of it!

paging Dr. Frankenstein... (1)

TomRitchford (177931) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984803)

this is getting scary!

i am a cornell student (0)

rhuddusa (240650) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984808)

i am a cornell university student, and take pride in what this university does. by the way, i sure hope i make first post:)

Re:i am a cornell student (-1)

Ralph Malph Alpha (551824) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984820)

no, sorry, please try again very soon.

Re:i am a cornell student (1)

FuzzyFurB (148573) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984843)

I am also Cornell student, busy working late in Rhodes 453 on my graphics assignment. I also strangely take pride in this, but you gotta love that quote in the article: "Some feminists even say artificial wombs mean men could eliminate women from the planet and still perpetuate our species." LOL!

THAT MAY BE SO, SIR, BUT... (-1)

L.Torvalds (548450) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984881)

I would still rather fuck a woman then a artificial womb.

Re:i am a cornell student (1)

ozric99 (162412) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984882)

LOL indeed. For the other side of that rather paranoid argument, go here [allafrica.com] for a piece on women eliminating men and still perpetuating the species!

Re:i am a cornell student (-1)

Roto-Rooter Man (520267) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984959)

If you want to know what a world without men would be like, watch The View, mornings on ABC. It's horrifying.

Re:i am a cornell student (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2984869)

eh? then whats your gpa mr. smarty pants?

I misread the title... (0, Offtopic)

ozric99 (162412) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984816)

... and thought it was about a lab developing an artificial worm!

I figured it was something to do with astroturf :-)

--
In need of some dARK Therapy? [darktherapy.co.uk]

Who else... (4, Funny)

thesolo (131008) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984822)

...is thinking of the "Baby Harvesting" scene in the The Matrix right about now??

Re:Who else... (1)

PhuCknuT (1703) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984832)

Nobody, the rest of us who actually read are thinking brave new world.

I ONLY HAVE THIS TO SAY ABOUT THAT! (-1)

L.Torvalds (548450) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984864)

Huxley was a MOTHERFUCKER.

Re:I ONLY HAVE THIS TO SAY ABOUT THAT! (-1)

Serial Troller (556155) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984899)

I want to FUCK your MOTHER with a MODPROBE! Yeeeeehaw!!!

Re:Who else... (1)

KaizerWill (240074) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984898)

who gets to decide who gets alcohol in their blood surrogate?

Re:Who else... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2984945)

This from a person whose nick is in AOL l33t SpeLLinG.

Re:Who else... (1)

base3 (539820) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984957)

Aw, man. That was a cheap shot. Not everyone can be an Alpha Plus, you know.

Re:Who else... (1)

rfmiv (301937) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984889)

Actually my first thought was of the Bene Tleilaxu and their gholas from the Dune series. But yeah, it's kinda matrix-ish too. Creepy.

Re:Who else... (1)

Jucius Maximus (229128) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984958)

"Who else...is thinking of the "Baby Harvesting" scene in the The Matrix right about now??"

Me. But then I might be biased because I watched the movie twice in the last 48 hours...

army (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2984829)

>>Developments like this really offer tremendous opportunities for creating a family for those who cannot have children the old fashioned way."

Actually, it offers tremendous opportunities for making you own army as well.

Am I the only one (1)

Phosphor3k (542747) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984830)

Getting a sinking feeling in the pit of my stomach?

Re:Am I the only one (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2984842)

Yes

Re:Am I the only one (1)

npietraniec (519210) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984861)

Why? We're animals no different than all other living beings on this planet... Biological machines that can be tricked into growing an in artificial womb much like Windows apps can be tricked into running on Linux via Wine.

Don't be afraid of knowledge, embrace it.

Re:Am I the only one (1)

nitemayr (309702) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984922)

Well, two things actually:

Winodows

CowboyNeal

And of course the vast number of parentless orphans (three of whom I grew up with) as well as Slick Willie's bastard children .

SIR, MANY OF US HAVE A SINKING FEELING!!! (-1)

L.Torvalds (548450) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984912)

But yours is due to an over-dosage of MAN-CHOWDER , I susupect.

hrmm (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2984831)

a step closer to having male pregnancy,,another Arnold movie predicts real life =p

I'd rather (0, Offtopic)

pavo (70713) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984833)

be grown in a serigate pig than a vat of goo. At least I'd have a mommy

Re:I'd rather (0)

LighthouseJ (453757) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984854)

Spell the damn word right if you're going to use it, "surrogate"

Re:I'd rather (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2984920)

Touchy? Not all of us won the spelling bee in grade 3.

mommy was a pig (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2984934)

in the future when trust-fund revolutionaries say "my mom was a capitalist pig" it won't be metaphor.

oh brave new world...

Useful for gay "marriages"? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2984836)

That's sick.

Developments like this really offer tremendous opportunities for creating a family for those who cannot have children the old fashioned way.

In other words, for those who can't have kids because they don't have a womb: men. In the context of gay "marriages". Gay men having kids of their "own". Very sick.

HEH, MODERATOR GONNA GET BUSTED!!!! (-1)

L.Torvalds (548450) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984948)

Whover modded this one down is obviously a chowder-loving homofag! Metamod will expose you for the boy-lover you are, fag-o-mod!

You know, It always puzzled me. (3, Insightful)

Lord Hugh Toppingham (319381) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984837)

Why so much money, time and energy is spend researching how to create more human beings, when the world is so clearly overpopulated right now.


Why don't these researchers dedicate their energies to producing better contraceptives ?
We seem to live in a crazy world!

Re:You know, It always puzzled me. (1)

Phosphor3k (542747) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984846)

Last time we ( the US) sent 700 million condoms to India for free, they melted them down, made Rubber Duckies out of them, and sold them back to the US.

Lottsa peoples/religions don't permit contraception.

Re:You know, It always puzzled me. (0)

I.T.R.A.R.K. (533627) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984849)

This is exactly why people like you aren't in charge.

Re:You know, It always puzzled me. (1)

Lord Hugh Toppingham (319381) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984883)

This is exactly why people like you aren't in charge

What is that supposed to mean ? I am actually a team leader of a group of C++ developers, so you could say that in a way, I am in charge, at least, round here I am :-)

I realise you adequacy idiots are full of irony, but are you trying to be funny here ? I don't get it.

All I said was that I find it puzzling that overpopulation gets touted as this big problem, yet we spend millions researching how to produce more humans. What possible applications can this have apart from the the obvious military one of creating an enormous clone army ?

Re:You know, It always puzzled me. (0)

I.T.R.A.R.K. (533627) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984956)

If you think being a C++ dev puts you in the same category as genetic engineer, you place far too much importance on your role in society.
I've been a C++ hobbyist (I don't do it for a living, but I like to tinker a lot. =)of sorts for a few years, and I can attest to the fact that it isn't exactly rocket science.

"I realise you adequacy idiots are full of irony..."

I don't hang out there, sorry. I just make fun of 'em. ;)

Re:You know, It always puzzled me. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2984870)

And that's just all those horny guys hanging out in bars and clubs...

Re:You know, It always puzzled me. (1)

Mr.Intel (165870) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984953)

... the world is so clearly overpopulated right now.

What a load of crap! There are vast areas of land un populated and the US alone is paying farmers to *not* grow crops because we grow too much. Technology available a decade ago would allow at least a tenfold increase in the harvestable land area of the world. That does not even take into account the medicinal techiniques that would save millions of lives every year that do not make it to third world countries. As far as the worlds governments and people are concerned, we may be over their tolerances. As far as the earth being capable of supporting humans, we have not even begun to reach it's limits.

On the topic at hand, it seems that once again science has produced something with both very good and very bad applications. And once again we are relying on the "ethics and morals" of said scientists to do the right thing. God help us all.

FINALLY (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2984839)

cmdrtaco can have cowboikneel's gay love child....

**HOW TOUCHING***

Pinky (3, Funny)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984841)

oh great.

I can see the Sci-fi scenarios now: Saddam Hussein breeding an army of clones to conquer the world.

Talk about Pinky and the Brain.

Re:Pinky (2, Insightful)

Lord Hugh Toppingham (319381) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984862)

Saddam Hussein breeding an army of clones to conquer the world

Since Saddam Hussain is a Muslim, and this is clearly an Un-Islamic idea, it is unlikely this will become reality any time soon.

More likely is that the USA will breed an army of expendable super-patriotic clones to go out into the rest of the world and spread the word about the fantastic US way of life.

And if anyone disagrees they get shot :-)

Re:Pinky (1)

Shuh (13578) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984904)

More likely is that the USA will breed an army of expendable super-patriotic clones to go out into the rest of the world and spread the word about the fantastic US way of life.

And if anyone disagrees they get shot :-)

Too late. The Soviets already tried this. It doesn't work.

Re:Pinky (2, Offtopic)

nhavar (115351) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984909)

Muslims will do many "Un-Islamic" things (lying, murder, torture, rape, hating, hygenic changes, etc.) in the name of serving Allah and Islam. It's simply another means to an end. Many religious groups at the end of the day (Christians, Muslims, Scientologists) excuse off their poor behavior with excuses of "I did it for...", "I was called to...", etc. The crusaders killed in the name of God, now the muslims kill in the name of Allah because of the crusades. Doing wrong is so easy to justify when you just don't care to be correct.

Re:Pinky (2)

tshak (173364) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984938)

Actually, most Christian theology concludes that the means never justify the end.

Re:Pinky (1, Offtopic)

Wyatt Earp (1029) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984941)

Saying Saddam Hussain is a Muslim is like saying Osama bin Ladin is a Muslim.

Both practice some very un-Koranic things.

Murder, assasination for both.

Torture, rape and genocide for Saddam.

I'm sure if these "wombs" have Saddam an edge he would bust his ass and his nation to get them on-line.

As for the USA breeding patriotic clones, I don't know that anyone has found a gene for that yet, let me know when they do.

The United States doesn't push it's way of life, it just gets accepted by everyone. Last I checked, the United States hadn't started a war to push it's culture, not like the United Kingdom did so it could sell opium in China.

The majority of Americans, including the President and most members of State and Federal elected officals don't care about the rest of the world.

If Europe and Asia go to American movies and McDonalds, it's not our fault.

Re:Pinky (1)

Psion (2244) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984877)

I rather suspect the last thing Hussein would want would be an army of thugs who behave exactly the same way he does. Oh, that and wait a couple decades for the army of clones to grow up. And the conditioning necessary to get them to think the way he wants them to...

That's all fine and dandy but.. (2)

mandolin (7248) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984844)

I'd really rather see artificial sperm. You could inject a woman's chromosomes into it, implant it into an egg, and end up with a nice baby girl. You wouldn't even need dudes anymore for reproduction.. oh wait, I'm a guy. Scratch that, it would never work.

Re:That's all fine and dandy but.. (1)

Kryptolus (238444) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984858)

Just for you.
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_430602.html ?m enu=news.latestheadlines

Re:That's all fine and dandy but.. (1, Redundant)

MrP- (45616) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984871)

I have no links or anything, but a few weeks on the tonigh show with leno, he said scientists have created artificial sperm... yeah leno tells jokes, but stuff like that is usually based on something real.. oops, scratch the "no links" part, a quick search on google returned http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_430602.html [ananova.com]

Re:That's all fine and dandy but.. (2)

AnalogBoy (51094) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984901)

Parthenogenesis in humans! WHEEE!

Re:That's all fine and dandy but.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2984928)

You could inject a woman's chromosomes into it, implant it into an egg, and end up with a nice baby girl.

it works for baby girls but waht about teh guys? it doesnt work for them

Get ready, slashdot... (1)

Junior J. Junior III (192702) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984845)

for a bunch of bad "womb with a view" jokes.

What they didn't tell you... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2984850)

..is that the geek wanted to make an artificial vagina. He had to switch to uterus in order to get funding. But make no mistake -- there's dual use technology going on here.

could this lead (4, Interesting)

asv108 (141455) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984851)

To rich women not having to carry their children the old fashion way? I could see this being beneficial for women who cannot carry a child but I could see this being more of a luxury for career minded or rich women who don't want to endure the inconvenience of childbearing. Women's right advocates could see this as the next breakthrough for women but I think the majority of people will scared. I'm sure the Roman Catholic Church doesn't approve.

Re:could this lead (2, Insightful)

base3 (539820) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984914)

To rich women not having to carry their children the old fashion way?

That's just so wrong, it'll probably happen.

Bene Tleilax hiding in Cornell? (3, Funny)

Emugamer (143719) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984852)

Heretics! next thing you will know MIT will be violateing the statues of the Butlerian Jihad those with computers in the likeness of the mind.. oh wait..

Re:Bene Tleilax hiding in Cornell? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2984891)

Glad I'm not the only one that was thinking axlotl tanks. But they were live women, IIRC.

~~~

Re:Bene Tleilax hiding in Cornell? (1)

oregon (554165) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984910)

But they were live women, IIRC

True ... but you've just spoiled the surprise for the people who haven't read the first 5 books.

Re:Bene Tleilax hiding in Cornell? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2984942)

Let's hope they didn't read that far down. Sorry!

Re:Bene Tleilax hiding in Cornell? (1)

Buzz_Litebeer (539463) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984946)

Do not blaspheme about the language of GOD you powindah. You know not the way of the bene tleilax, yahweh will judge you!

Excellent... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2984857)

...now I can create my army of clones.

Daddy is also mummy? (3, Interesting)

ozric99 (162412) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984865)

So, presumably, one day soon, transexual pregnancy [tripod.com] could be a reality. While extremely interesting, this throws up all manner of moral and ethical questions. Most of which, one presumes are beyond the scope of a slashdot discussion.

Re:Daddy is also mummy? (2)

Loligo (12021) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984930)

>this throws up all manner of moral and ethical
>questions. Most of which, one presumes are
>beyond the scope of a slashdot discussion.

I'm not sure I agree that the QUESTIONS are beyond the scope of a slashdot discussion.

The answers, however, probably are.

-l

A bit alarmist? (1)

Daniel Wood (531906) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984872)

'There are going to be real problems,' said organiser Dr Scott Gelfand, of Oklahoma State University. 'Some feminists even say artificial wombs mean men could eliminate women from the planet and still perpetuate our species. That's a bit alarmist. Nevertheless, this subject clearly raises strong feelings.'

Oh come on, be reasonable! Eliminate women from the planet? Last I checked the gay community made up a very small portion of the population, even less if you're talking about gay males. What upstanding Christian, or Muslim, would stand for women being eliminated? Not a chance in hell I, or any other sex-loving heterosexual male would let that happen. Anyone else get the idea these feminist groups are some lesbiens who think men are the enemy?

Anal Cox. Dead. (-1)

Serial Troller (556155) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984873)

I just heard the sad news on the radio. The #2 kernel hacker ANAL COX was found dead in his home this morning. There aren't many details yet, but it appears he died from AUTOEROTIC ASPHYXIATION. Even if you never liked his work, you can appreciate what he did to little boys with his -ac branches of the Linux kernel, and with his MODPROBE. Truly a HOMOSEXUAL LINUX icon. He will be missed. :(

Imagine . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2984876)

. . . a Beowulf cluster of these things. On second thought, maybe not. Yuck!

~~~

Just what the planet needs... (0)

wagadog (545179) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984879)

more children

As if a billion starving ones in developing countries wasn't enough, here's a way to make more!!!

Treating the childless?

Oh they mean childless rich white women who can afford IVF and MORE!

Why don't they try treating the starving children already born, those without clean water to drink or wash in, those orphaned by war, drought, famine, pestilence and death FIRST?

Why not? I'll tell you why not. Because it doesn't get them cushy specialist jobs "treating" childless rich white couples to the latest in shiny new status-symbols-- a baby -- that's why not.

Gee honey, shall we put it next to the home theatre center, or shall we leave it out in the garage with the SUV?

Artificial Womb? (1)

Fraize (44301) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984884)

Can't you buy one at any adult toy store?

Thank you, thank you. I am here all the week.

survival of the weakest (2, Interesting)

passion (84900) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984885)

This is actively working against evolution. I demand this stop immediately. Not only do we allow blind, deaf, ugly, and stupid people to pro-create, but now we're going to start allowing sterile people to procreate? Someday, we'll all end up stuck in the matrix feeding tubes, and it won't be imposed on us by some AI run amuck.... it will be done by our own choice.

For the record, I don't have anything against the aforementioned groups of people, I'm just saying that the proliferation of those traits in our gene pool is not necessarily desired. Not to be misconstrued - I firmly believe that we're all created equal, and should be given ample opportunities to pursue happiness in our own ways. I'll not persecute people based on how they were born, but do we necessarily want to become a people who can't function without the full dependence on technology?

Stephen Hawking claimed that ALS was the best thing that ever happened to his career, note that he didn't say that it was the best thing to ever happen to his life.

survival of the unlucky (1)

Mateorabi (108522) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984925)

And who says all forms of female sterility are genetic? Some can be caused by disease/environment. And since an artificial womb demands selection of egg and sperm, why not just choose embryos that don't contain the genetic 'defect' if there is one.

Re:survival of the weakest (4, Funny)

rtaylor (70602) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984927)

How do you know that the deaf, dumb or blind aren't better physically suited to the environment of the future, but have simply evolved early?

I can think of advantages to all 3. Having a hard time coming up for a reason for ugly though.

Coning + Stem Cells + Artificial Womb = ??? (2, Insightful)

Shuh (13578) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984886)

Is there something they're not telling us here? Is this making anyone else paranoid? If the human race is having serious problems with self-government and religion, what makes anyone believe we are going to get "better" playing God?

Life just lost its value. (0)

eggstasy (458692) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984887)

I have been thinking for a long time, that life actualy has no value whatsoever. This just confirms my hypothesis.

Rack up a few dozen of these artificial wombs, inject some in-vitro-fertilized eggs into each, and you got yourself a baby factory.
This effectively turns humans into objects.
Mass-produce them, China style, and a human will be a CHEAP object.

How long will it take until someone legalizes the destruction of these objects? Or human experiments? Or any of those other "special treatments" humans get when compared to other animals, plants or inanimate objects?
This could be the death of ethics. Just wait a few hundred years.

Next thing you know, we'll be getting our babies at the supermarket, right next to the onion rings and the potato chips.
This is SICK!

Can anyone say "Army of Clones"?
Put this together with cloning. Get some cells from Schwarzenegger or Stallone. Clone them to the hilt, raise them to be bloodthirsty .mil-bots.
Invade a country of your choice. Repeat until world is conquered.

Now all we need is some accelerated growth hormones for humans like they use in cattle and some vegetables too.

What? No lab rats? (1)

Jarvo (70205) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984893)

If the foetuses were terminated after 6 days, it doesn't really show that the technique would scale up to full gestation.

From what I saw of the article, this has only been tested on human tissue. What's going on with the Scientific Method? Lab rats first, people second!

This isn't really what George Lucas needs right now either. "Attack of the Clones" coming out right when (possible) mass cloning of people is being developed...

What a Brave New World (2)

Digitalia (127982) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984894)

This is exciting. Alduous is doing pretty good on his predictions. I'd be scared about the future, but I've just taken a gram of soma.

just another step (1)

prmths (325452) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984895)

The Pandora's box has been opened a long time ago. I see this as an exciting new potential. It may be unpopular now, but 50 years ago, who would have had laser surgery to fix their eye sight (if the technology was available) which sane person would get full reconstructive surgery from a birth defect? How about test-tube babies? All technologies have both good and bad potentials. I don't see these new technologies as anything to be afraid of. I trust humanity as a whole to do the right thing... we all havn't died off yet...

... (1)

Scoria (264473) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984896)

"But terminated them to comply with regulations?"

I can see it now.

"You killed innocent (albeit embryonic) children!"
"How could you have ever let them mature?!"

These scientists may receive flak from all sides. Their "moral situation" was a catch-22.

What does that tell you? (2, Insightful)

Cheshire Cat (105171) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984926)

These scientists may receive flak from all sides. Their "moral situation" was a catch-22.


Perhaps that tells you that the scientists are doing something they shouldn't be doing...?

This has all sorts of possibilities, bad and good (2)

OS24Ever (245667) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984897)

What is facinating about this is that it could either revolutionize the human birth process or be perverted into something horrid.

If Women were no longer subjected to being the bearer of children, and allowed to have the option of using an alternative method of gestating a child. Health costs could be lowered, OBs would be rare, etc. The Truth Machine [thetruthmachine.com] and The First Immortal [firstimmortal.com] wree two books by James Halperin about ideas of how the future could turn out. He had artificial wombs as one of the techs (mentioned briefly).

At the same time, an artificial womb could be quite horrific. How would a person be after developing in an artificial womb. Charles Wilson explored this with Embryo [amazon.com] and had a bunch of psychotic murderers running around.

I often felt that humans just shouldn't be allowed to do what they do with some forms of medical science because of how it is perverted in the name of their deity either. I'm sure the right-to-life people are going to have a field day with it, as well as the right-to-abortion folks. Both will show it as 'proof' that their side is right. Televangilists on TV will be telling folks to send em their money so they can stop it, etc.

Me, I find this facinating medically, but frightening socially.

Re:This has all sorts of possibilities, bad and go (4, Interesting)

AnalogBoy (51094) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984918)

In the book "The universe in a nutshell" by Stephen Hawking, he notes that humans developing inside an artificial womb would be able to develop larger brains. (of course, larger brains != more intelligence.. )

Why ethical concerns? (4, Interesting)

oregon (554165) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984900)


How is this different from a couple's child being gestated in a surrogate mother's womb?

How is this different from a different organ - the kidney - being replaced with external machinery (dialysis)?

How is this different from the prosthetic limbs or the artifical hearts in development?

Our bodies are imperfect and sometimes bits don't work properly or break. We have the means to workaround these shortcomings with technology; in this case, we still need parents to provide the genetic material and, obviously, raise the child once it is born.

The only problem I can see (1)

Talez (468021) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984902)

Is that every group that has even a hint of an agenda in this project will be jumping up and down, screaming and pushing their own agenda.

This project can do a *LOT* of good for couples that cant have children naturally but who dont want to have to involve a third party who could possibly become attached to the child after carrying it to full term.

Its a pity the feminists are already jumping up and down, advocating that the destruction of their gender will be assured if this project comes to fruition. I can also see the right-wing bible bashers coming out of the woodwork to stop 2 male parents from having a child together.

I really do hope that this kind of technology becomes available to the people that really need it. After all, it is a sad thing to not be able to have a child with the person you love.

Re:The only problem I can see (2)

danheskett (178529) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984933)

I really do hope that this kind of technology becomes available to the people that really need it. After all, it is a sad thing to not be able to have a child with the person you love.

I think whats more sad is that two people can be so self involved that with themselves that they would endure months or years of intensive, expensive, elective procedures in order to produce a child - and usually for the entirely wrong reasons.

The United States has a vast number of children needing permanent adoption - and even a greater number needing temporary or semi-permanent foster housing. The rest of the world likewise suffers from an overly high-supply of familyless children - yet we have the wealthy in this country and others basically asking for "designer" children.

Adopt, be a foster parent, provide emergency shelter, etc. Chances are the kid won't look like you; chances are the kid will have some type of problem (physical, mental, social - they come in all types), and chances are it won't be picture perfect. But instead of being a self-centered egotistical societal leach you'll actually be doing good.

"terminated to comply with regulations" (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2984906)

Is it just me, or did this phrase seem to come straight from some dystopic science fiction novel. We regret to inform you that "you have been terminated to comply with regulations."

It makes you wonder what those oh-so pro-life legislators must have been thinking? "Hmmmm -- life is so sacred that we should order all extra-uterine embryos killed after 14 days."

Every time I hear about how our fine American politicians are "protecting" us from all this godless 21st century witchcraft, I wonder how long the rest of the world will consider us a "free" country.

clones, now this. (2)

Restil (31903) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984908)

At first a clone needed a human surrogate mother to carry the fetus to term. Now, we can clone the human and not even have a human carry it. This could be done behind closed doors. Nobody would even be aware that the child exists.

Combine that with genetic experiements, there are plenty of opportunities to play god and not get too concerned about the mistakes. Biology and medicine is more or less a game of trial and error, and genetics is unlikely to be much different. But if nobody knows about the 10,000 mutants that resulted from every success...

Something to think about anyways.

-Restil

A lot of implications (1)

ocelotbob (173602) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984911)

This is truly earth-changing technology, perhaps even more revolutionary than the internet could ever hope to be. Imagine a childless couple able to give birth to a child outside the womb. Or zoologists able to grow endangered and/or hard to breed animals, such as the giant panda or certain large cat species. Or transgendered persons able to give birth.

Yes there are downsides, like the aforementioned Brave New World scenario. It's inevitable that some people are going to take this extremely beneficial technology and and attempt to pervert it to serve some megamaniacal goal. It's my opinion, however, that the benefits far outnumber the drawbacks to this technology. Before dismissing this technology, think about species such as the thylacine, which were wiped out by people. Now imagine this technology able to restore those species, and give them a second chance at survival.

Brave New World? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2984915)

first human cloning... now artifical wombs?
This is just a little too close to Huxley for me.

It's just a little disconcerting to imagine
making human beings with the parents being
almost totally disconnected with the creation
thereof. I'm a pretty liberal guy.. but this
is kinda creepy.

Adoption? (1)

Pi-Zero Meson (453690) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984917)

Developments like this really offer tremendous opportunities for creating a family for those who cannot have children the old fashioned way

Seems like there are enough kids who need loving so if you can't have them on you own why not adopt?

Re:Adoption? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2984943)

Who wants a used kid when they can grow one in a lab? Fuck I wish i was grown in a lab, id be a fucking alien or droid or some fucking shit, id be the coolest "some dumb bitch: yo, i weighed like 12.3 lbs when i was born" "me: fuck you, i was grown in a lab, im all techno and shit, bitch i own you" and fuck.. damn that would be cool

mrp

Abortion ethics? (5, Interesting)

Erich (151) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984919)

Abortions in the third trimester are generally considered unethical (if it could have been avoided) because the (baby|fetus) is to the "viability" point... it is possible that it could survive on its own outside of the mother.

This device makes it possible for (baby|fetus)s to reach this "viability" mark much earlier...

I don't want to start a flame war, but what effect do you think technological advances such as these will have on ethics relating to unborn children/fetuses?

So this is how Lucas... (2, Funny)

AgTiger (458268) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984923)

So this is how Lucas is going to promote Episode II.

Feminists At It Again (1)

spudwiser (124577) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984924)

'Some feminists even say artificial wombs mean men could eliminate women from the planet and still perpetuate our species.

Well, that would mean giving up sex too, and I guarantee that will never happen. Sex=Good

Sci-fi (1)

Schmendrick (555091) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984929)

Soon, we will be manufacturing babies. Buy five, get one free. Warranty void if baby got three eyes.

Ethical/legal/social implications (3, Redundant)

abe ferlman (205607) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984931)

As if it weren't obvious, this has tremendous implications. But perhaps it's worth pointing one of them out.

Currently, abortion is legal until the fetus has reached a point of viability- that is, until it could conceivably live outside of its mother's womb on its own. Advances in medical science have been pushing that date back slowly since Roe v. Wade, but this is very big.

It's a pretty arbitrary line to begin with, and this makes it even farther from being grounded in modern science.

I'm not interested in having the yet another abortion debate, but I am curious how folks think this will change the rhetorical landscape for politicians, religous figures and ethicists. And, of course, for women.

Yuck (1, Troll)

maxphunk (222449) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984936)

As a father and a geek, this makes me sick. If your body does not have the ability to make children, you are not supposed to. Period. Stop this disgusting research. I'm all for a woman's freedom of choice, BUT scientists don't have the same rights over a life in a test tube that a woman does to the life in her body. SAY NO TO EMBRYO TESTING!

I smell a hoax... (1)

Astral Jung (450195) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984937)

Go to the Cornell University [cornell.edu] website. I have yet to find a reference to the "Centre for Reproductive Health and Infertility." Note the spelling, taken from the Guardian article referenced. A search for Womb on the website doesn't produce anything remotely talking about artificial wombs, either.

Equality (1)

FredBaxter (158979) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984939)

Finally, some equality in technology! First they threatened to make men obsolete with synthetic sperm and cloning, now they can do it outside of a women. A few more decades and sex, not to mention most of the human race, will no longer be necessary! Yay...oh wait.

Hmmmm (2)

gvonk (107719) | more than 12 years ago | (#2984940)

but were terminated to comply with regulations

...Kind of like Emeril's sitcom?

ok. that was really bad.
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