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2.5.4 Kernel Out

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the just-when-you-thought-etc-etc dept.

Linux 208

Saint Aardvark writes: "Just in time for my 30th birthday, the new kernel is out...how did he know? Thanks, Linus! Change log here. I usually stick to stable stuff, but I think I'll try this for fun." Reader Scooby Snacks writes: "Be sure to use the patches and pick from the fine list of mirrors."

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first dead penis bird (-1)

neal n bob (531011) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986216)

suck this down ladies

Why kernel announcments are a STUPID idea (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2986265)

The whole premise of slashdot is to post news articles (and I use the term news lightly), and then people discuss the article (and troll).

Just what do the slashdot janitors expect us to say after the 10th or 20th kernel announcement? There's not much to say, that hasn't been said 10 or 20 times before.

If there is an excess of trolling, it's because The Janitors aren't thinking clearly, when deciding news articles. They're so worried about their precious little Linux, that they'd rather post crap about it, then find something that with a little more substance.

That is why none of them will ever be serious journalists. That and because, collectively, they have about 1/20th of a brain - and 1/40th of a penis.

Congratulations Timothy! (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2986219)

Are you going to post stories now when you get an email from your grandma? Because a point release is about as pathetic.

The Dory of Funk... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2986220)

... and all that junk.

A Minor update to a development kernel? (1, Flamebait)

joshv (13017) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986225)

This must be a slow geek news day...

Re:A Minor update to a development kernel? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2986248)

North Korea - named by US President George Bush as part of an "axis of evil" - has described the US as the "empire of the devil".
The official North Korean news agency said Mr Bush was using the threat supposedly posed by North Korea as a pretext for a huge increase in defence spending.

Earlier this week, Mr Bush presented Congress with a $2,000bn budget, which represents the biggest military build-up since the fall of the Soviet Union.

From the newsroom of the BBC World Service

Re:A Minor update to a development kernel? (-1, Offtopic)

October_30th (531777) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986314)

Well, what can you expect from a former cocaine fiend who can't stop using the phrase "evildoers" in every third sentence? Every time I hear the commander-in-chief of the most powerful military machine in the world today speak like a simplistic retard, it makes me want to scream. It must be wonderful to live in a morally black and white world.

Kernel code! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2986236)

if(current_kernel_verion>my_kernel)
{
download()
compile()
repeat()
}

The code police (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2986291)

You obviously don't know C very well.

You're missing some semicolons....

Stick to VB or Logo, moron.

Re:The code police (-1)

ringbarer (545020) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986436)

I would have posted a goatse LOGO script here but the lameness filter keeps chewing it up.

worst.article.ever. (-1, Funny)

neal n bob (531011) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986237)

how much lower can you go. This is like posting a story everytime microsoft puts out a patch. Or everytime katz kidnaps a small child. All of those things happen too often to report each and every case.

Uh, who cares? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2986238)

A minor rev on the main branch -- maybe. Minor revs to the "experimental, may even blow up your computer" branch DON'T MEAN SHIT. I certainly wouldn't fuck up my system with it.

If the open source/Linux development holds up on this one, with any luck, there will only be 220 more notices before we see 2.6.0. Yay!

Re:Uh, who cares? (1)

NewbieSpaz (172080) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986477)

A minor rev on the main branch -- maybe. Minor revs to the "experimental, may even blow up your computer" branch DON'T MEAN SHIT. I certainly wouldn't fuck up my system with it.

As somebody replied to the last Troll-ish post relating to kernel 2.5.3: it shows that there's forward progress towards the next stable kernel. So it does in fact mean something. To further reply to your post, nobody asked you to use this kernel. All kernels in the development tree are strictly for testing for the few brave enough, or with the curiosity and time to try it.

If the open source/Linux development holds up on this one, with any luck, there will only be 220 more notices before we see 2.6.0. Yay!

220? Hmmm, seems a bit high of a guess.

Happy Birthday Tim (-1, Troll)

Bocaj (84920) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986247)

Ok, it's off topic, but it is his birthday.
A ".0" release at that!
Let's see how many posts we can get.

Re:Happy Birthday Tim (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2986427)

Uh...

I think it's Saint Aardvarks birthday, not Timmys.

Thank You.

Patchdot (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2986251)

2.6.0 released
2.5.20 released
2.5.19 released
2.5.18 released
2.5.17 released
2.5.16 released
2.5.15 released
2.5.14 released
2.5.13 released
2.5.12 released
2.5.11 released
2.5.10 released
2.5.9 released
2.5.8 released
2.5.7 released
2.5.6 released
2.5.5 released

Expect all these articles on this site soon.
Slashdot, news for "nerds", notifying you of minor changes to the penguin!

Re:Patchdot (3, Funny)

MarsDude (74832) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986608)

notifying you of minor changes to the penguin!


Did he do something to his hair ? :-b

New Topic Please (4, Insightful)

Dredd13 (14750) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986260)

Can we have a topic "Linux-Kernel-Release", so that those of us who care about "Linux news" (and so don't want to check-to-exclude the "Linux" topic) can still send these Freshmeat-intended stories to /dev/null where they belong?

Re:New Topic Please (1)

Sircus (16869) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986312)

While the guy's clearly trolling, I actually think this is a fine idea. If nothing else, it'd get rid of the crowd of trolls on every kernel story.

Re:New Topic Please (5, Insightful)

Dredd13 (14750) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986332)

I don't think I was trolling at all, I'm actually really sick of having to wade through kernel announcements.

.0's are newsworthy

.FINAL_VERSION's are newsworthy

.PATCH_OF_THE_WEEK's are not "Stuff that matters" for the majority of folks out there. If you ARE one of the folks that it matters for, chances are you're monitoring the kernel.org site already.

Just my $0.02 worth anyhow....

Re:New Topic Please (5, Insightful)

hal200 (181875) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986392)

I'm not trying to troll here, but I don't get it. Maybe it's just me, but is it really so onerous to read a headline and move on if you're not interested? (Just to go on the record though, I happen to like the Kernel X.Y.Z is out! news items.)

Are you paying for your desktop real estate by the pixel or something?

I rather effectively screen out JonKatz by reading the headline, and seeing the big green JonKatz underneath. Then I know it's drivel and I move on.

I just don't understand the motivation behind, "I should be able to filter this out!"...It's not like they're forcing you to read the article and all the comments. Just move along if it doesn't pique your interest. Considering how many stories flit past the front page in a day (and more with judicious use of Slashboxes), it's not hard to find something more personally interesting.

Then again, maybe I'm just being obtuse. Anyone care to enlighten me?

Re:New Topic Please (1)

Fishstick (150821) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986642)

Well, I kinda agree - but then /. does have the feature to block categories from the front page.

I mean, I don't block anything. I don't like Katz, so I don't click on the link to his posts. Reading the headline and summary doesn't cause me undue distress. If it did (as it appears to do to some), I could check the box in my prefs and it would go away. Choice is good.

Some people seem to be very distressed about seeing repeated postings about linux development kernel releases. What is the harm in making a new category for these that can be filtered as well (especially if it shuts the ones that have to bring this up again each time).

Personally, I want to see posts about new kernel releases. I want to read comments about it that don't repeatedly say 'why is this on slashdot!?'.

Then again, me theory is that some people just need to have something to bitch about (over and over). Jon Katz and kernel releases are easy to avoid, yet they click on the links, read the posts and then express their outrage. I think it is a compulsion.

Re:New Topic Please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2986400)

I wholeheartedly agree. Slashdot must be really stuck for decent stories if point releases of a kernel development branch are counting as newsworthy on this kind of site. I don't think we see such frequent postings tracking development point releases of anything else (including point releases of other kernels/OS), and neither should we. There are more targetted sites for that sort of thing, which people who care about that sort of thing will track for frequent updates.

Re:New Topic Please (1)

Sircus (16869) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986501)

I don't contend that the point itself was trolling, but your phrasing could certainly have been way more diplomatic. Throwing stuff about /dev/null and freshmeat into the post turns it, in my mind, from a decent point about a way to make things better for everyone into something that's a decent point made in a deliberately inflammatory way. I guess it depends on your definition of trolling.

[OT] Re:New Topic Please (3, Insightful)

Psiren (6145) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986328)

Moderators, this isn't a troll. Enough complaints have been made about this over time for it to be a justified request.

There are those of use who do want to read Linux stories, but don't want to know about every release of the kernel. It's not as if theres a shortage of sites that have that information.

Yeah, but (4, Insightful)

wiredog (43288) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986342)

Some of us use slashdot as a central news source. Why go around to a zillion other places, when we can just catch the announce here? Saves time.

Re:Yeah, but (5, Insightful)

Dredd13 (14750) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986354)

And if there was a separate "LinuxKernelReleases" topic, both of us would be happy. you could get your "news" (which I don't consider news, but that's here nor there), and myself (and others) could simply check that box to say "Don't show me these stories".

And life would be happy all around. See how nice that'd work if TPTB @ /. would just use the Slash engine the way it's designed to work? :-)

D

Designed? (5, Funny)

wiredog (43288) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986364)

use the Slash engine the way it's designed to work?

The slash engine was designed? I thought it just sort of grew. Like a fungus.

A'course, I haven't actually looked at it in a few years. The first release was traumatic.

Re:Seconded... All in favor? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2986576)

Personally, I think it's weird that people who visit a site subtitled "News for Nerds" complain when a new Linux kernel release is announced. Even weirder that they can't seem to just ignore it, if they're not interested. Even weirder still that they can't seem to avoid loudly announcing their disinterest.

Having said that, having a separate "Kernel Release" topic is not a bad idea.


And personally I like to see new kernel releases announced here. Freshmeat is too cluttered with new software release and update announcements to be useful; everything from the trival to the profound is given equal billing. (Not that I don't find Freshmeat extremely useful, just that their frontpage is overwhelming.)

Re:Yeah, but (0, Funny)

neal n bob (531011) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986355)

great idea - I use slashdot as a central news source. So why won't they start posting when suits are on sale at Macy's and what the weather will be next week?

Maybe they can start posting personal ads "guy seeking fat, longhaired guy for taco snotting - no smokers" That would save time for all you linux freaks.

Re:Yeah, but (1)

wickidpisa (41827) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986360)

Yes, that's exactly why it should be made a new topic. If it were it's own separate topic, people who want to see every single kernel version post can see them, while those who don't can just filter them out. All that is being asked is that each person can easily filter out kernel version posts, not that they be stopped altogether.

Re:[OT] Re:New Topic Please (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2986475)

Then don't click the link you retard

Then don't click the link you moron

Then don't click the link you idiot

Then don't click the link you fool

Then don't click the link you dumbass

Then don't click the link you fuckstick

Then don't click the link you simpleton

Then don't click the link you dope

Then don't click the link you retard

Thank You.

Re:[OT] Re:New Topic Please (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2986538)

By the same reasoning, they shouldn't have modded down goatse.cx links, after all, if you didn't want to see the picture you could have just:

Not clicked the link retard.

Not clicked the link moron.

Not clicked the link you idiot.

Not clicked the link you fool.

Not clicked the link dumbass.

NOt click the link you fuckstick.

Not clicked the link you simpleton.

Not clicked the link you dope.

Not clicked the link you retard.

Not clicked the link you shithead.

Not clicked the link you buttmunch.

Not clicked the link you poor excuse for a human.

Thank You. (STFU)

Re:New Topic Please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2986447)

Uh...

This is a "Pro Linux" site you moron. If you don't like it you should simply not click on the "Read More" link. I mean really. Was there some special intergalactical force that made you click the little link and read all the stupid comments? Sheesh. I mean really. What kind of an idiot clicks a link then complains about it?

Moron.

Thank You.

Re:New Topic Please (0, Flamebait)

Dredd13 (14750) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986494)

Wow ... "moron"... your intelligent debating skills amaze me.

I'm pro-linux as well, but I don't need to be bothered every time the development tree has a patchlevel release, and, since the Slash engine could easily accomodate both the folks who want to know every time a new version comes out AND those who don't want to see every version, wouldn't it make sense to set things up so that EVERYONE gets what they want?

Or is the concept that both factions can be easily made happy just beyond your comprehension?

Re:New Topic Please (-1, Redundant)

ryanvm (247662) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986476)

Jeebus Christ people. How fucking hard is it to NOT click the damn link? Do you call CNN every time they run a story you don't care about, or do you just change the channel?

If you don't care about Kernel releases - QUIT READING THE DAMN STORIES!!!

Re:New Topic Please (2)

Dredd13 (14750) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986509)

Do you call CNN every time they run a story you don't care about, or do you just change the channel?

If CNN had this cool engine built that allowed me to customize the news articles I saw, and then didn't actually USE that engine to the proper granularity, I think I'd call CNN and bitch, yes.

But since they don't, I'd change the channel.

However, since Slashdot DOES have the capability to customize the news so you see the things you WANT to see, doesn't it make sense for Slashdot to actually USE that capability?

Re:New Topic Please (2)

ryanvm (247662) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986623)

If CNN had this cool engine built that allowed me to customize the news articles I saw, and then didn't actually USE that engine to the proper granularity, I think I'd call CNN and bitch, yes.

The problem with your logic is that Slashdot is a free service. You don't really have any right to complain about it at all - let alone about something so trivial as story categories.

Re:New Topic Please (2)

dinivin (444905) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986656)

The problem with your logic is that Slashdot is a free service. You don't really have any right to complain about it at all - let alone about something so trivial as story categories.

Bzzzt... Wrong.

We have the right to complain about anything we want to, free or not.

Dinivin

Re:New Topic Please (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2986510)

HE's not asking about not reading the 'DAMN STORIES' he's asking about getting them off the damn frontpage. A way to filter them without losing all the other Linux stories. I don't blame him either, while I find it interesting when a new Linux kernel comes out, announcing every release of the unstable tree seems a little excessive.

Hmmm... to bring it back on topic, you think they could have mentioned that it WAS the unstable tree.... not everyone knows that (and don't start with the 'if they don't know, they shouldn't be compiling their own kernel' stuff, everyone ahs to start somewhere)

Re:New Topic Please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2986540)

The whole 2.4.x tree was unstable, but was intended to be stable. Even though 2.5.4 is in the unstable branch it probably isn't much worse than anything in the 2.4 tree.

Re:New Topic Please (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2986544)

Now that's insightful. Just because you didn't like goatse.cx do you stop reading things off the Internet.

On that subject, will all of you with K5 [kuro5hin.org] accounts please vote the death of a legend story [kuro5hin.org] to the front page. At the time of writing, it only needs 33 more votes.

Re:New Topic Please (1)

ankit (70020) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986549)

I FULLY agree with the post. I would like to go one step ahead. I think we need more rational topics, and many many more topics. There could easily have been a LOTR topic, as was requested by many people.

There is no need for topics on "Be", "Comdex", "Digital", "TurboLinux", "Upgrades", "Beanies", etc..

What is needed is a rethinking on how to categorize the news to make it more informative and useful.

I would like that there be some 100-200, or even more topics, and the user can either ignore certain topics, or select the topics that he is interested in. This way the frontpage can get really configurable.

Also, the sections "apache", "bsd", "developers", etc are redundant! There shoud only be topics, and people who are interested in new apache releases can select that topic for their page. I really do not understand the reason behind the "sections", when everything can be handled usint "topics" alone.

Re:New Topic Please (1)

realnowhereman (263389) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986696)

Can we have another new topic "Linux-Kernel-Release-News-Item-Moans" so I don't have to read 86 posts on why this item shouldn't be on slashdot and read some comments from people who have tried the new kernel and what they think about it.

I'm so fed up of reading all this moaning crap - I want some of the advertised "stuff that matters". How fast does the new IDE subsytem go. Does the USB 2.0 patch make life worth living? I am actually interested in these things NOT in this "you're a troll", "no you're a troll", "NO YOU'RE A TROLL" noise. You are wasting my bandwidth. (and now I've wasted yours)

Having trouble with 2.4.17, should I get this? (3, Interesting)

knulleke (557202) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986262)

Well, I'm still having trouble with 2.4.17 on my AMD. A couple of weeks ago it was suggested here that I should add "nopentium" to my boot parameters but after that the machine doesn't feel as fast anymore (can't understand why; it should not be noticable)

Parsing the changelog, I don't see that many changes with potential enormous impact. Should I consider trying this version because many problems are straightened out or should I wait for a next "stable" 2.4.x?

I did see something regarding AGP (which I believe to be the source of my problems, as they go away if I disable 3D support) Linus said something about a workaround for AGP problems until a real solution was found. Doesn't look very encouraging, but hey...

Re:Having trouble with 2.4.17, should I get this? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2986292)

Use a 2.4.18-pre kernel if you want to try something experimental

Re:Having trouble with 2.4.17, should I get this? (2)

Sircus (16869) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986303)

As far as I know, the problem's not been fixed in either tree, so you should probably sit tight with 2.4, and keep with the nopentium flag (or don't use it, and don't be surprised when it's unstable).

The problem is indeed with the combination of AGP and Athlon - disabling 3D support would probably help here, but is unlikely to make it go away completely.

I'd expect it shouldn't be too long (maybe it already happened, and I missed it) before there's a patch available for the problem (just disabling use of 4Mb mappings on Athlon should be the quick fix). When this is available, I imagine it'll go into both 2.4 and 2.5 fairly quickly.

Re:Having trouble with 2.4.17, should I get this? (1)

wickidpisa (41827) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986304)

NO! This is the beginning of a development branch. When a new devel branch opens up there are tons of changes made that may break various things. If you really know what you are doing and you want to try this kernel for _testing_ then go ahead, but it should not be used for bugfixes. There may be a bugfix or two that you like, but there are other changes that could destroy your system.

And the nopentium option slowing your computer down is in your head, I am running the same thing right now and it isn't noticible.

Re:Having trouble with 2.4.17, should I get this? (0)

JohnBE (411964) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986331)

I have had a similar experience with my Athlon machine. I think it is down to my NVIDIA drivers because I've benchmarked from the command line and its fine.

Re:Having trouble with 2.4.17, should I get this? (2)

leuk_he (194174) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986532)

There is a lot more in the changelog now, but this is only because a new tool is used to maintain the changelog.

If the nopentium option helps, stick there. If you want performance inprovements try:
-Enable dma by playing with hdparms.
-Try some 2.4.17 patch that promises improvement. (low latency patch is still available for the 2.14 tree, but will not be maintained as it is included in 2.5 now.)
-Buy more RAM 8-)

What's good about 2.5 (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2986266)

What's the big new stuff / benifits we can expect from 2.5 series???

Re:What's good about 2.5 (4, Informative)

Alphix (33559) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986796)

Check out this link [osdlab.org]. It's a list of stuff to expect in 2.5
Follow the link to the posts if you want the details and discussions, if you don't, the items and a more human-readable explaination is below:

2.5.x API change summaries
o Shouldn't matter much as far as I could tell, mostly "heads up" to people writing programs that mess with the kernel.

o Block I/O layer changes:
The goal seems to be a more generic i/o scheduler while at the same time making it more efficient.
Typical "dont-understand-exactly-what-they-are-doing-but-g lad-they-do-it" stuff.

o initrd / initramfs:
initramfs is intended as a replacement for initrd. The basic idea seems to be to tack a .tar archive of modules and programs to the end of the kernel image, make a basic boot, unpack the tar file to a ram-based root filesystem then everything goes from userspace. If it's true that 2.5 will move to a completely modular kernel (as Alan Cox has hinted), this would be a much friendlier system than initrd.

o SCSI changes
As always?

o driver model: driverfs
Driverfs seems to aim towards merging all bus-type weirdness that lives under /proc and building one big tree with all bus:es in it. Most comments I've seen circle much around how much easier it would be to implement a proper ACPI power management system with this and that it clears up /proc.

o reworking major/minor system
The currrent model of drivers having major/minor numbers is going to change to allow larger numbers (and therefore, more devices). May be some hairy details involved in changing such a "standard" size. Consent seems to be that apps that depend on a specific size are broken anyway.

o USB and WireLess API changes
I don't use any of these so I haven't got much to say, anyone with more interest/info?

o kbuild and CML2
The new configuration language and makefiles, these have been discussed earlier on slashdot (see here [slashdot.org]).

Congratulations! (3, Funny)

Foehg (48006) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986269)

Good to see the patches, mirror list, and changelog linked to, not just the full kernel. We knew you could do it! Keep it up, guys!

Re:Congratulations! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2986827)

Oh, great. I posted. Now I'll get modded down. Wait! Unless I *mention* that I'll get modded down...

Moderation Totals: Insightful=2, Total=2.
Works every time...

Think before you grab it (4, Informative)

Nighttime (231023) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986270)

See that middle number of the kernel version? Note that it is of the form 2n-1 where n>0, otherwise known as an odd number. Now, in the Linux world this means that it is a development kernel. D-E-V-E-L-O-P-M-E-N-T. In other words, extreme beta.

So, unless you wish to contribute to the kernel development or want a range of unknown problems, stick with the even middle-numbered kernels.

Re:Think before you grab it (2, Offtopic)

gTsiros (205624) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986368)

Not to be picky or anything...

odd number is 2*n+1, n in Z.

Don't run if you can't walk.

This is GOOD news (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2986274)

The BitKeeper works, and this release is here to show us.

Re:This is GOOD news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2986472)

Yeah, it is painfully obvious how Linus not using an SCM system for years slowed development on Linux. Welcome to the modern age, Linus!

Thumbs up (4, Interesting)

serps (517783) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986282)

Not being anything remotely resembling a kernal hacker, it was great to see and compare some of the (proposed) changes between 2.4.x and the new 2.5 fork at the recent linux.conf.au [linux.conf.au]. The speaker, Rusty Russell, took us through the netfilter and scheduler code (2.4.13 vs 2.5.3) and it was a real eye-opener. I don't claim to be a C wizard, but I can tell elegance when I see it, and some of the code overhauls certainly have that ring to them.

Re:Thumbs up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2986327)

the first thing you need to do is know how to spell it

KERNEL KERNEL KERNEL

I'm interested ... (2, Interesting)

tyrius (212849) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986286)

After seeing so many posts on the preemptible patch [slashdot.org] being including into Linus' tree, I would have thought that everyone would be dying to try the first dev release with it incoporated. Give it test drive and see if that is really a useful feature.
Or does everyone here REALLY run Win XP ??

Re:I'm interested ... (0)

October_30th (531777) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986297)

Or does everyone here REALLY run Win XP ??

Not everyone but more than you think.

Most of us just want to get things done at work and not waste precious time tinkering with an obscure development kernel that corrupts your filesystem every few days.

Re:I'm interested ... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2986345)

There's also wellworking preemptible patch for 2.4.xx kernels so no need to use 2.5.x stuff.

Re:I'm interested ... (2, Insightful)

mirko (198274) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986527)

I have actually been using this one for months on a 2.4.16 kernel tree.
The pre-empt kernel patch is actually the most interesting feature in Linux as it suddenly turns a server OS with a sluggish UI into a really responsive workstation with still impressive network performance.
So it is quite good news to hear that it will be possible to determine whether we want our kernel user or services oriented by just checking a box in the Linux-compilation-tcl box.

Sad news ... Stephen King dead at 54 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2986296)


I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

Get your kernel code here! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2986309)

Don't want to download a 30 mb tar.gz (or a 25 mb .tar.bz2)? Then get the kernel here! The rest of the junk is just digital penguin shit!

#include "linus.h"
#include "penguin.h"
#include "gnu/goatsex.h"
#include "terrorism.h"
#include "hackers.h"
#include "unix.h"

define kernel_version="2.5.4"

printf("Welcome to linux"+kernel_version)
have_sex()
run_unix()

Re:Get your kernel code here! (-1, Offtopic)

October_30th (531777) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986324)

#include "gnu/goatsex.h"

Speaking of which, go to K5 and vote the goatse.cx story to the front page...

Werid day... (4, Informative)

Junta (36770) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986315)

Today there is a release of some sort in 4 kernel trees (see freshmeat.net):
2.0.40-rc2
2.2.21-pre2
2.4.18-pre7-ac3
And, of course, 2.5.4.

Granted, only one was a full revision bump, but to see updates in so many trees is neat.

Re:Werid day... (-1, Offtopic)

MjDascombe (549226) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986344)

It's a step closer to the great convergence, when the world will end.

Re:Werid day... (1)

BelDion (109503) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986394)

Did you mean divergence by any change? Either way, think positively. Look at it like the great scattering. A kernal fork here and a kernal tree there..

Infinite diversity in infinite combination.

I've been reading Dune too much..

Re:Werid day... (1)

tom.allender (217176) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986438)

patch-2.4.18-pre7-ac3.bz2 came out on 04-Feb-2002 08:04 - freshmeat.net has only just put it up...

However, Linux 2.5.3-nsa1 [nsa.gov] did come out today so you are right. 4 kernel trees out today!

Uh, where were you? (1)

Recluse (102971) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986681)

The first three have been out for quite some time. Open your eyes. Maybe look at http://kernel.org once in awhile.

--R

Ratings (1, Funny)

pkplex (535744) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986337)

How come there are ratings for each post? And why would someone want to spend so much time rating them all?

Re:Ratings (2, Funny)

MjDascombe (549226) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986350)

Those are the first two big questions about /. posting : shortly to be followed by "Is there any sence/reasoning behind how things are rated?"

OT Re:Ratings (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2986758)

"How come there are ratings for each post?"

Looks like you were chosen as a moderator for a while. See here http://slashdot.org/faq/com-mod.shtml#cm600 for more info.

"And why would someone want to spend so much time rating them all?"

Well ratings on posts you think are important help others filter out the noise from the signal. They also generate points for the poster that can effect their ability to get their message readily heard.
---
So assuming you want to moderate I'll give you the following suggestions.

Read at a threshold of zero. This lets you get a pretty fair picture of all the comments.

I'm a big fan of threaded.

You want to read the oldest first so you don't slap "redundant" on the first post that mentioned a topic.

Mod up by a point and pick a reason why. The secret society of slashdot ninjas seems to take out the garbage, don't do their job be as fair as you can in promoting the best posts.

Realize that if you post in a thread you cannot moderate it, but that should NOT mean that you are going to stealthfully get you opinion across by promoting those that hold your opinion and moderating down those that don't. Instead moderate up those posts you think add to the conversation as a whole.

This place is still pretty useful and cool so you might sometime try reading the Frequently Asked Questions http://slashdot.org/faq/

p ingmeep

wow (1, Troll)

xtstrike (538546) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986361)

Quote

--------
I usually stick to stable stuff
--------

Wow, there is a stable version of linux?? gimme gimme :-) - or is it Windows you are talking about here? :p

I'm sick of it... (4, Insightful)

MarsDude (74832) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986420)

Sick of these minor release announcements on development branch kernels... Not because of the announcement itself, but because of all the people yelling and screaming that they don't want to know about it... Stop bitching and skip the article and move on and leave the thread clean for those that DO like to read about it and read INTERESTING comments...

Collective scream... (5, Funny)

powerlinekid (442532) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986430)

7:58 - Slashdot post that new kernel is out

7:59 - "Bleeding edge" kernel hackers start downloading it

8:30 - download finally is over, start unpacking it

8:35 - ooh and ah over new features in config

8:40 - start compiling, so far so good

8:55 - kernels done, reboot

8:56 - system is as fast as ever and that leet hardware is now supported

8:59 - file system gets fscked due to some small oversight

9:00 - a large scream is heard through country

9:10 - screaming stops

9:20 - hacker finally remembers that its the 2nd #, not the 3rd that means the kernel is unstable

9:30 - i laugh

Re:Collective scream... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2986826)

8:41 The kernel doesn't build with my .config and fails during make dep phew that was close...

And also in the slightly less interesting news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2986444)

America still west of Europe.

It seems that the geographical relationship between the two continents hasn't changed in the last six months.

Can't compile it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2986502)

I can't compile it on Red Hat 7.2 although I updated
e2fsprogs.
What's wrong? Please help me.
# make bzImage
gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux-2.5.4/include -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common -pipe -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -march=i386 -DKBUILD_BASENAME=main -c -o init/main.o init/main.c
In file included from /usr/src/linux-2.5.4/include/asm/thread_info.h:13,
from /usr/src/linux-2.5.4/include/linux/thread_info.h:1 0,
/spinlock.h:7,
/mmzone.h:8,
/usr/src/linux-2.5.4/include/asm/processor.h: In function `thread_saved_pc':
/usr/src/linux-2.5.4/include/asm/processor.h:444 : dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
/usr/src/linux-2.5.4/include/asm/processor.h:445 : warning: control reaches end of non-void function
make: *** [init/main.o] Error 1

Re:Can't compile it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2986513)

same error for me ... so that's why it's called unstable, but err it's not unstable, it's simply not working!
;-)

Re:Can't compile it (1)

dzym (544085) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986726)

*sigh*

Me too. Debian sid system here, so it's not Redhat-specific.

Ok, it's a development beta kernel, but you'd think they'd at least make sure it compiles before handing it out?

This will probably be modded down, but.. (1)

dag2001 (545994) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986534)

Just in time for my 30th birthday

And my 14th, and thousands of other peoples' birthdays. What better present than a new kernel :)

Re:This will probably be modded down, but.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2986547)

Linux's birthday is on August the 25th, and so is mine :)! The penguin is 10 years old!

Why are development kernels news? (2)

Wakko Warner (324) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986536)

They extrude a new one every few days - what great big new feature does 2.5.4 provide that we should all care about?

Or is slashdot just desperate for news on Monday morning?

- A.P.

ChangeLog got hacked? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2986560)

Is it just me not knowing/noticing something, or e-mail address of Dave M. has magically changed from davem@redhat.com to davem@pizda.ninka.net?

For people that do not read Russian: 'pizda' in Russian stands for 'C-word' and 'ninka' is a short form of female name.

Re:ChangeLog got hacked? (2)

marcink1234 (556931) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986668)

Dave's wife has name Nina, she is Polish and she uses account on similarly named computer (pierdol.ninka.net) to post the news. So you see the real email on real computer named so in DNS. And the p**** word means in Polish the same as in Russion.

For me, this really is not funny.

ChangeLogs in adult filter??? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2986573)

On the top of the changelog, there are plenty of changes marked with

<davem@pizda.ninka.net>

The problem is that the word 'pizda' is one of the most rude curses in the Polish language (used to name women vagina). This is problably some kind of humor of Dave Miller (whose wife is Polish) but ... it makes very, very bad look.

After all, in case some 'adult filter' is implemented for Polish language, it will filter out the Linux change log.

Re:ChangeLogs in adult filter??? (1)

marcink1234 (556931) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986693)

It works for Russian the same way. And probably for another Slavic languages too.

No signs of ALSA (1)

xer.xes (4181) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986618)

Still no signs of ALSA (and CML2 for that matter) making it into the 'official' development kernel yet.. This is really a thing I'd like to see in it.. But it's nice that Linus already accepted two controversial patches (O(1)-scheduler and the pre-emptible kernel patch)..

Extremly offensive language in 2.5.4 ChangeLog (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#2986777)

The changelog for the kernel-v2.5.4 contains a
few patches posted from "davem@pizda.ninka.net"

In Russian the word "ninka" is a female name
while the word "pizda" is a very dirty slang for a female genitals. To a Russian this email address sounds very offending!

You know Linus cannot be proficient in all world languages. Therefore some ethics on the side of
Linux contributors is very much appreciated.

+Leo+

Mandrake 8.2 Beta 2 also became available today. (2, Informative)

InShadows (103008) | more than 12 years ago | (#2986821)

Details can be found here [mandrakeforum.com]. The isos can be downloaded from here [linux-mandrake.com] and all bug reports can be discussed here [linux-mandrake.com].

Very few 'really ugly' bugs have been found in the first beta, and we have been able to concentrate on hardware recognition, improving the *drake* tools, and updating the packages. For more details about what has changed since the beta1, and what should be tested, please wait for the articles in the "test this" serial.
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