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KDE 3.0 Beta 2 is out

HeUnique posted more than 12 years ago | from the looks-pretty-good dept.

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Subject says all - the next beta of KDE 3.0 is out, after a short delay. You can find the downloads at this announcement. Click below to read more details about this version.One of the most important things that the Konqueror teams wants from people are test cases of your regulary visited pages, where Konqueror either fails to render or render things incorrectly, and submit it using KDE's Bug Tracking system. URL's will not be helpful as it takes lots of time to strip a page from all the HTML code in order to find the actual problematic part of the web page.

Just to save the search for some people: Mandrake, SuSE, Slackware and Tru-64 binary packages are available now. Others will be available soon. Source code is of course available also.

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primeira postagem! (-1, Offtopic)

real_b0fh (557599) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002118)

"Prejudicatus paus bundus est."

pr0pz to all trolls!

stop modding me up, brain-dead moderators!
if someone browse above -1, he/she is not part of my intended audience.

ps: i'm in the verge of being banned again, so if it hapens some other friendly troll take the fps from now, ok?

Re:primeira postagem! (-1, Offtopic)

real_b0fh (557599) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002134)

another post for you to mod down.

I want my -6 back ;-)

Re:primeira postagem! (-1, Offtopic)

real_b0fh (557599) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002146)


pretty please?

pretty please with sugar on top?

(damn that remembers me of the kick-ass Monkey Island)

Re:primeira postagem! (-1, Flamebait)

real_b0fh (557599) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002371)

damn you!

I hope someone metamods the shit out of ya, crackheads!

Re:primeira postagem! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3002388)

Why is six scared?

Because seven eight nine!

ahahahaha! I crack me up!

Re:primeira postagem! (-1)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002147)

Cripes! Is that a hatrick for today?

Re:primeira postagem! (-1, Offtopic)

real_b0fh (557599) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002169)

prolly not since im 3 hours ahead the US and soon going home have some xxx.

Konq bug traq (0, Redundant)

mekkab (133181) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002119)

I wonder if it will work as well as MS's IE bug tracking...

first post (-1, Offtopic)

psr (71027) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002127)

aww, I can't believe I'm doing this.

KDE, is a great project, I don't know how they get it out so often, and yet make such great progress.

Well done guys.

(Of course, I'm a gnome guy myself)

Re:first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3002263)

You lose!

KDE - Beta is stable (5, Interesting)

lemonhed (412041) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002129)

Ive tried the KDE Beta 2. And I must say... Its a very very very stable pre-release. Hats off to the KDE developres.

The only problem is that some of the older KDE apps wont run correctly with the new KDE and they must be upgraded to work with the new QT packages.

Everyone should D/L it and check it out.

Re:KDE - Beta is stable (3, Informative)

Geek Boy (15178) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002385)

Just make sure you keep KDE2 libraries around and your old KDE2 apps will still work. They just won't directly interoperate with KDE3 apps. For instance, you can't embed old modules/plugins into new applications.

Re:KDE - Beta is stable (2, Insightful)

lemonhed (412041) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002474)

Good point.

But that actually raises another concern. Why didnt they make KDE3 backward compatible with KDE2? KDE2 is compatible with KDE.

I have alot of KDE2 applications running and I know it will be difficult to maintain both sets and remember which works with which set of libraries. Its sort of like the whoel GLIB problem (e.g., 2.2)

Re:KDE - Beta is stable (3, Informative)

Geek Boy (15178) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002523)

KDE1 was not even close to binary compatible with KDE2. Anyways, KDE3 broken binary compatibility because Qt broke it with Qt3 so it was a good opportunity. The transition shouldn't take too long before you have all KDE 3.0 applications though. Don't worry, it won't be that painful.

Part of the job of the beta is to get people porting their apps to KDE3 too.

I demand to see the source! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3002130)

I want proof that Konqueror cannot be removed from KDE without causing severe damage to the OS!

Re:I demand to see the source! (0, Redundant)

Freddy_K (174281) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002145)

The situation with Konqueror reminds me of Explorer being tied into Windows.

Re:I demand to see the source! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3002187)

wow you are a freaking genius.

Moderators! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3002370)

(-1: Obvious)

Re:I demand to see the source! (5, Funny)

reflexreaction (526215) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002236)

And I want to be charged $20 less for KDE when and if Konquerer can be removed.

Re:I demand to see the source! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3002303)

SIMCS (sitting in my chair smiling)

Re:I demand to see the source! (5, Interesting)

IceFox (18179) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002246)

Actually what I would like is clear simply instructions on how to have the kde call openBrowser(url) open in something other then Konq. This is one of the major reasons why Kinkatta ( isn't in KDE. Kinkatta gives the user the option to select what browser to use because I can't answer the e-mails on how to have openBrowser(url) use Galian or Mozzila, Opera, etc. I have many non-kde users that use Kinkatta, but giving users options is "not the kde way" acording to *someone* in kde.

Re:I demand to see the source! (1)

WetCat (558132) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002257)

ln -sf /usr/bin/yourbrowser /usr/bin/konqueror

Re:I demand to see the source! (1)

__past__ (542467) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002358)

What's so hard about "Preferences -> File Browsing -> File Associations -> text/html"?

Alan Thicke. DEAD. (-1)

Alan_Thicke (553655) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002139)

I just heard the sad news on CBC radio. Comedy actor/writer Alan Thicke was found dead in his home this morning. Even if you never liked his work, you can appreciate what he did for 80's television. Truly a Canadian icon.
He will be missed :(

Show me That Smile (The Growing Pains Theme Song):

Show me that smile again.
Ooh show me that smile.
Don't waste another minute on your crying.
We're nowhere near the end.
We're nowhere near.
The best is ready to begin.

As long as we got each other []
We got the world
Sitting right in our hands.
Baby rain or shine;
All the time.
We got each other
Sharing the laughter and love.

Wow. (0)

immanis (557955) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002198)

Alan Thicke died to bring us KDE3.0beta2?

what about FreeBSD binaries? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3002141)

It turns out that a large silent number of
people are running KDE (and GNOME) desktops
under not *linux, but under FreeBSD. It would
be nice if more FreeBSD binary packages were

Re:what about FreeBSD binaries? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3002182)

You, the users, are responsible for building our binaries (or, erhm, someone that works on FreeBSD). KDE only releases source code.

Re:what about FreeBSD binaries? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3002226)

[Puts FreeBSD-user hat on]
What!? You young non-PHD whippersnapper! You soft youngins dare use our superior OS when you can't even build a binary from source! Next you'll be tell me that you can't even program in assembler!!

Re:what about FreeBSD binaries? (2, Insightful)

InfinityEdge (9122) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002301)

Screw the binaries. All I want is a /usr/ports entry.

I get a nice, warm, fuzzy feeling knowing that everything on my computer was built from source by my computer.

You have to do something with all those spare cycles and I could really care less about finding alien signals from noise, cracking the latest DES, or factoring the largest mersine (sic) primes.

Viva la source!!!!


Re:what about FreeBSD binaries? (3, Funny)

Henry V .009 (518000) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002339)

I get a nice, warm, fuzzy feeling knowing that everything on my computer was built from source by my computer.

Where did you get your compiler? It could be putting in a trojan every time you compile. Have you checked your binaries?

Re:what about FreeBSD binaries? (1)

__past__ (542467) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002412)

Yeah, trusting trust etc... Bla bla

There are more reasons to compile yourself. Think of speed. What binary packager will compile with any optimization flag other than -O2 (say, -march)? Not to mention that I can change the configure options in the ports Makefile.

Re:what about FreeBSD binaries? (0, Flamebait)

Agent Drek (18979) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002362)

from source? as opposed to coming magically into being via the machine code fairies?

Re:what about FreeBSD binaries? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3002507)

wouldn't it be better if you didn't even need a /usr/ports entry. you know, if KDE actually released portable code. oh, sorry, then freebsd contributors would have to do something useful with their time!

Re:what about FreeBSD binaries? (0)

cyphixation (454446) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002441)

we run KDE under HP-UX...just try to find A binary for that....damn compiler gets used all day, every day....loads of fun.

Re:what about FreeBSD binaries? (2)

Satai (111172) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002455)

The KDE FreeBSD [] project is a fairly small, but interesting, site. I still build from ports, though.

first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3002148)

name says it all, yeah baby yeah!!!!!

Re:first post (-1, Offtopic)

real_b0fh (557599) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002191)

pathetic ACs.

learn how to firstpost.

first post you bitches (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3002149)

I hereby claim this first post in the name of my balls.

Cherish them as though they were war heros.

Re:first post you bitches (-1, Offtopic)

real_b0fh (557599) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002243)


your balls seem to work as good as your brain, AC scum

hmm (1, Funny)

nomadic (141991) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002172)

Only on slashdot would the third pre-release of a software package be considered front page news.

No, I'm not complaining, I just think it's funny...

Re:hmm (0, Offtopic)

penguin_dance (536599) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002202)

What will be even funnier will be that KDE gets slashdotted because of it!

Re:hmm (0, Offtopic)

Timmy (969) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002237)

And that's one reason I go to slashdot.

Some thoughts on the subject (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3002174)

es perspective.

Neither mom nor dad ever took 2nd place in their achievements, may it be academically, finicially nor moralistic. They were successful people in what they did, well known amongst their own professional community, and they never ever had to break a rule. They were upstanding citizens, they adhere to their morals and whilst they did once in awhile break a sweat whilst being prolific professionals and incredible parents, they succeeded admirably. I admire their resourcefulness, their intellectual capabilities and most of all I want to be as good a human being as they are. They succeeded in being outstanding parents, I was the one who was a tad 'late'.

Two years ago I left school and became a drifter. I had no means to afford the next meal. My father offered me one last opt out ticket. Come home, we'll make you work and give you guidance. I didn't take the ticket, I didn't take the compounding bribes bestowed on me from mother either. I stayed, reeled back to their teachings many years ago, and started to make sense of them. Their teachings had roots in other places, not all of it was original, but their explanations to me were never over wrought with detail. It was to the point, and in hindsight made perfect sense.

1. You don't have to break rules to win. Use them to your advantage, Play by them and hold your own. People respect you for it.

2. Never win for the sake of winning alone. You don't see grand masters venturing to coffee houses playing the worst players to satisfy their ego. You shouldn't have to do that to stroke yours either. Winning should take effort, cunning and intellect, otherwise the victory is worthless. (father taught me how to play chess and basketball)

3. There are free lunches, but it is rare. Always give back whenever you can.

4. Pissing off mom will end up getting back to dad. Never will father escape the sharp end of the stick. This goes for negotiating with any couple. Piss off the woman, and you won't get what you want.

5. There is a time and a place for everything. Pick the right time, the right place and the right approach. As quoted from the person who cited Dorothy Parker as one of his heros, getting away with something outrageous involves some sort of a masquerade as to hide the true nature of said action. Pick your masquerade carefully if you are going to escape the wrath of your audience, especially if you demand them to do something for you.

6. Never step on people unless you absolutely have to, and if you do, make sure they deserve it.

7. If you are to step on someone, make damn sure they can never ever ever hurt you back.

8. There are three things that are important in life, and they go in descending order of importance. These are Family, Integrity and money. They are often at conflict and seldom do you get all three in your favor. Always strive for the first and second ideals. Money alone is never a reason enough.

9. Nobody can do the job with as much thoroughness as you want them to do it. Try and do as much on your own.

10. Broaden the horizons of your knowledge base. You can't know too much about anything. Have fun learning and try to act as humble as possible in public.

11. If someone bothers to take the time to teach you something, listen carefully, pay attention, especially if they are good at it.

12. Never depend your success on someone elses' fuck-up.

13. Keep to your rules of conduct and stand by your own opinions. If you are right, people will see why, even if they won't admit it. If you are wrong, change your mind. Be flexible.

14. Never let people's praises cloud your judgment. Humility not only comes from your peers, but from your own envisionment of perfection. Strive to be as close to your idea of perfection as possible, enjoy getting there. The blood, sweat and toil are the most satisfying.

15. Do what makes you happy

Slackware support! (3, Interesting)

OpCode42 (253084) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002185)

Hurrah, they've provided slakpacks!

Ive been using it today, its very nice. I wasnt a fan of KDE2, and at first glance this is just kde2 with bells and whistles. However, there are subtle changes and integrations that make it much nicer to work with on a daily basis.

Konquerer is a little buggy though (crashes every time i press the Back button)

Cant wait for the final release!

As CmdrTaco says... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3002193)

"You get what you pay for after all."

-Rob Malda []

How useful can KDE be?

Re:As CmdrTaco says... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3002450)

How useful can /. be?

Too little too late (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3002197)

I know many people use Linux on the desktop, and all the more to them, but MS has really cleaned up with XP.

Linux, even with KDE, is simply too hard to use for at least the bottom 90% if computer users.

I think all the Linux geeks with Aspergers don't understand that the average user simply cannot comprehend the bear workings of Unix. The graphical setup tools out there simply aren't good enough either.

It is a pity too because I really do not like Microsoft, and I am not alone.

Who Really Needs 3.0? (3, Interesting)

4of12 (97621) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002205)

I was pretty happy with KDE 1 and remain happy with KDE 2.0

I'm sure to get Troll -1'd into oblivion for this, but

Why is KDE 3.0 so good that it's worth getting excited about from the standpoint of the end user?

Better, faster, higher (2)

wiredog (43288) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002240)

Oh wait, that's the Olympics. Still true about KDE 3, though.

Re:Who Really Needs 3.0? (2)

WasterDave (20047) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002249)

Nothing really that earth shattering, but it does link against QT3 rather than QT2, hence the major version number bump.


Re:Who Really Needs 3.0? (5, Informative)

PeterClark (324270) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002327)

Well, you've already been moderated as flamebait, but I don't think that's the case, so I'll respond.

First of all, the major reason for KDE3 is QT3. QT3 has several advantages over QT2 for developers, and the KDE project want to use these to their advantage. As an end user, you probably won't be aware immediately of the changes, but developers will, which means that better programs will be coming your way.

Also, look at 3.0-features.html [] to get an idea of what's being added in KDE3. Then you can decide for yourself whether KDE3 is worth it. :)


KDE Kmail?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3002213)

Does anyone know if/when Kmail will support LDAP
for addressbook lookup?

objprelink question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3002219)

Does it incur an additional jump for every C++ function (at runtime) in order to speed up the loading of the program?

Solutions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3002224)

KDE is seemingly like the better solution everytime I read more and more of migual's comments on mono

What I'm looking forward to... (4, Interesting)

PeterClark (324270) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002230)

I have been a KDE fan ever since last summer, when I finally got the hardware to support it. :) It's been my primary desktop environment ever since, although (probably due to something getting borked upstream) I'm having to use Fluxbox until the memory and performance issues in the current Debian Sid KDE go away.

Anywho, the feature that I've been most looking forward to is tabbed browsing in Konqueror, due to appear in KDE 3.1. Galeon is the one constantly used app that isn't a part of KDE, and I use it because a.) it has tabbed support and b.) a smart bookmarks toolbar. Plus, it's a web browser. Nothing more, nothing less. Konqueror has various view settings (such as "file manager", "web browser", and whatnot, but in my experience, the different view settings don't always play nice. But since tabs are at the top of my wishlist, I will definitely reconsider Konqueror in the near future.

So, what are all you other KDE fans looking forward to?


Re:What I'm looking forward to... (2) (450073) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002300)

So, what are all you other KDE fans looking forward to?

Waiting to see how short of a time span it is for my current download to timeout because of being posted on the /. front page. :-)

Re:What I'm looking forward to... (0)

Cheesy Fool (530943) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002483)

Fluxbox has support for tabs so you don't need it at the application level. Fluxbox Tabs [] .

Re:What I'm looking forward to... (5, Informative)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002548)

I agree with the tabbed browsing, I can't wait for t to appear in 3.1. But the smart bookmarks toolbar; I find that vastly inferior to Konqueror's web shortcuts feature, mainly because it is so much simpler to use. Why do I need a bulky toolbar cluttering up my screen when I can just type "php:fopen" to search the php manual, or "rf:gaim" to search freshmeat? It's very cool. if you've never tried this feature, go into your konqueror settings under "Enhanced Browsing". It's very easy to add your own sites.

Karma Suicide!! (-1, Offtopic)

jeffy124 (453342) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002266)

After 600+ posts and 20 articles, my karma has been peaked at 50 for what seems like forever now. My new campaign: Karma Suicide!! Every post from now until my karma's back at zero will be this short crapflood posted with my +1 bonus. So moderators: Do your worst! Mod me troll/flame/OT/Overrated/Whatever to get my karma back to where it began. Do this ASAP! And as for the rest of you, commit karma suicide today!

Mod this up (1, Offtopic)

wiredog (43288) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002310)

Just to fuck with him.

Unless that's his plan... Sneaky...

Re:Mod this up (-1, Offtopic)

jeffy124 (453342) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002366)

i'll remember that the next i mod one of your k5 submissions........

Re:Karma Suicide!! (0, Offtopic)

Wind_Walker (83965) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002361)

My karma is nearly at the cap, so I think I might commit Karma Suicide as well!

Mod me down, you $3 crack-smoking moderators, if you dare!

UI Design (5, Interesting)

XBL (305578) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002269)

This post is a complaint, but I want to see what others think.

My opinion of the KDE overall user experience is that it's rather "blah". Now, I will admit that going from KDE 1 to KDE 2 was a huge step up, I just think that it needs to become cleaner, lighter, and less cluttered.

For example, the default setting for the Kicker is 2 buttons high. This is just too tall. The new Konquerer is really too cluttered, with the big sidebar, etc.

Going to the extreme, I wish KDE would become more like BlackBox with its basic design. BlackBox actually makes 1024x768 seem like a higher resolution than that. KDE makes 1024x768 seem like 800x600 or maybe even less.

So anyway, those are my thoughts.

Re:UI Design (5, Informative)

PeterClark (324270) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002403)

A vague bell is going off in the back of my head, warning, "Troll! Troll!" but I'll ignore it and give you the benefit of the doubt.

If you think KDE is rather "blah", check out [] and look over the icons and themes. Ignore the wallpapers, though, must of them are not worth your time. KDE-look has taken the place of [] , so if you want to add spice, go there.

Secondly, if you're able to use Blackbox, you are able to spend the two minutes it takes to customize KDE to your liking. If you don't like the default height of Kicker, right click on it and you can change it immediately. Plus, if you really want that Blackbox look and feel, you have the choice of using Blackbox themes in KDE (I'm not sure if this is included by default with KDE; if not, go to, or use BlackBox as the window manager instead of kwin. Google is your friend if you don't know how to do this.


Re:UI Design (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3002435)

Actually, 2 buttons high is great. More efficient than one button high. Just AskTog []

Re:UI Design (2)

jmd! (111669) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002447)

Absolutely. Compared to windows or Mac, KDE and even GNOME to a lesser extent are way cluttered. It turns off power users, and confuses new users.

Course, take my opinon with a grain of salt, since my desktop isn't exactly normal: []

I still think the default mode of both of these environments should be more lean. Power users can always add on what they want. All Windows has is a 10px high "start bar", consisting only of 1 button, and a clock. And most users love it. Keep in mind it's been through a lot of usability testing... feed off that, since we can't afford our own.

Re:UI Design (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3002466)

"My opinion of the KDE overall user experience is that it's rather "blah""

Well that's the point. KDE is for getting work done, unlike the average tweaker desktop environments. I have heard the arguement that kde is too windows like or not as "skinable" as other gui's. And you know what? Those are the people who you do not want to cater to. For 90% of users a plain,boring,stable desktop is what people want. They want point and click and make sure my apps appear somewhere off the "K"(start button). I would hope the linux desktop community(however tiny it may be) realizes that snazzy and cutomized is not what people want. They want the basics, and that is what kde has given them since the 1.x days.

Re:UI Design (4, Insightful)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002502)

So turn the sidebar off, and make the kicker 1 button high. Big whoop, takes all of 10 seconds in kcontrol.

These things are set this way for a reason. The sidebar makes browsing a folder tree MUCH easier for people used to windows explorer, and I , a non-windows user, also find it a very powerful tool, where I can access my bookmarks and FTP sites in a cinch. As for the kicker, I prefer it two buttons high, not for the sake of the buttons so much as the clock and the launcher icons. I think having them large gives it a more polished look. Not to mention the Run Command kApplet won't fit in a kicker under two buttons. If you feel like the desktop is cramped, why not make your kicker transparent using TeaX [] , I think this is very slick.

Anyway, my point is just because you like it one way doesn't mean everyone else does. That's why kde and gnome are so customizeable. So customize them already!

KDE 3.0 (0)

forgeeks (470786) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002271)

I just upgraded my KDE 2.1 to KDE 2.2.1 last night. rpm -i --force -nodeps *.rpm hrmm should that work? Well, it did so far..

_constructive_ (4, Funny)

immanis (557955) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002273)

enlist volunteers to help find elusive and platform-specific bugs, and to provide constructive feedback through the KDE bugs database prior to the developer meeting later this month

At first glance, I missed why this even needed inclusion in the announcement. Most users are more than willing to provide feedback when Konqueror or KDE doesn't work right. Then I re-read the word "constructive."

So, for further edification, constructive feedback doesn't typically contain the words "suckers" "bastards" "morons" or "jerks." That kills 99% of the feedback they would be getting.

3.0 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3002274)

will this suck as much as Windows 3.0?? it sure as hell is taking a long time to develop. oh thats right this is open source! (0, Flamebait)

ryusen (245792) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002281)

so when are they going to announce a .net based version of KDE? i mean they can't let GNOME take the lead in that one... *evilgrin* (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3002312)

I believe sex is highly over rated... unless it involves me

Just you, or you and a partner?

~~~ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3002391)

sex is like that card game trumps.
If you don't have a good partner, a good hand will always do.

Why Doesn't Slashdot Post Anything Interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3002285)

Like the olympic figure skating controversy??

The burning question... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3002290)

are they making it tighter and faster or just adding features?

This is the SINGLE most important question asked on slashdot about KDE 3.0

Re:The burning question... (1, Redundant)

praedor (218403) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002543)

Mostly little tweaks, bug fixes (and introduction of a few more). Think of it as primarily a KDE 2.2.x port to the new QT 3.0. It does have a few new features but overall, just tweaks. This one is supposed to migrate your 2.2.x settings to 3.0 rather nicely - EXCEPT for kmail. Kmail is probably worse off in these 3.0 betas than anything else. It will not import your 2.2.x kmail address book, you get to recreate that sucker from scratch.

Take a look at a review of this beta at: 6/1/

It nicely covers the ins and outs, good and bad of the present beta.

The greatest feature about KDE3... (4, Informative)

rseuhs (322520) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002299)

Is that it's quite the same as KDE2 and NOT a major rewrite.

I know a lot of people who were scared away from KDE2.0's unstability and bugs.

It's a marketing-thing. People tend to only try out .0 releases, so a 3.0 release that is in reality a 2.3 is the best thing that can happen to KDE :-)

The second-best feature of KDE 3.0 is the configuration of animated pics, BTW ;-)

Which desktop is best? (0)

sid silver (558084) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002302)

KDE is vastly superior to GNOME in so many ways it's not even funny.

Redhat? (2, Interesting)

L-Wave (515413) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002307)

Sad sad, they never had redhat packages, even beta 1 *still* doesn't have them... oh well, (the reason i am not installing the tarballs is because its beta, i dont want to clutter my FS if it doesnt work right. anyways, thats my 2 cents =)

Re:Redhat? (1, Flamebait)

rseuhs (322520) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002356)

RedHat hates KDE, that's why they do as few packages as possible.

(Yes, it's RedHat's fault that there are no RH-packages, not KDE's. All other distros are also doing their packages on their own.)

Re:Redhat? (2)

L-Wave (515413) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002443)

IS the really true? Rawhide dir shows rpms of the cvs version of kde. I suppose they are built for the next version of RH, but you can't really say redhat hates kde (why would they ship it then?)

kudos to KDE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3002311)

I dont like M$ windows but the graphical interface
is simple and easy to use. In my opinion, KDE is
the only graphical interface for Linux that
can even be compared to M$ windows.

kudos to KDE developers!

No jumbo packages please (5, Insightful)

2Bits (167227) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002317)

This applies to KDE as well as Gnome.

These two environments tend to come with huge packages (e.g. gnome-applets, kdenetwork, kdemultimedia, kdegraphics, koffice, ...).

Sometimes, you just need one or two in the packages, and you are forced to install the whole jumbo packages. Why? Why can't we pick and choose?

E.g. I use Kword sometimes for simple word processing, but I never use the spreadsheet and the presentation app. Same for kdenetwork. I use KMail and KNode, but I don't need korn,ktalkd,ksirc,.... And kdemultimedia, I don't do MIDI stuff, and I don't want to waste 10MB for timidity++ and other junks.

Oh yeah, same for Gnome. Why do I need to install the whole gnome-applet package if I only need one applet? Same for other jumbo packages.

I'm on RPM-based distro. How about apt-get-based?
I don't know the internal details of the code, but isn't there a way to separate them out?

Re:No jumbo packages please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3002367)

But the packages are so tightly integrated together that they cannot be seperated. Soon the US government will be demanding that they see the source to prove this is not the case.

First post (0, Offtopic)

Dareth (47614) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002322)

Okay gonna read story now.. I Like KDE

Jizzmop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3002329)

"Mandrake, SuSE, Slackware and Tru-64 binary packages are available now. Others will be available soon. Source code is of course available also. "

Slashdot writers are blow-hards. Notice the sentence fragments and use of the word 'available' 3 times consecutively. Jack asses.

Gnome is dying! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3002348)

It looks like gnome will finally be killed! KDE 3.0 looks like it will kill the crappy gnome desktop and give linux the desktop eviroment it DESERVES!

KDE 3.0 Beta 2 boxes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3002353)

Imagine a Beowolf Cluster of THESE!!!

Re:KDE 3.0 Beta 2 boxes (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3002397)

now imagine a beowulf cluster of retards

Tips for SuSE users (5, Informative)

Geek Boy (15178) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002365)

The suse packages have a few minor installation conflicts. Make sure you have the prereqs installed and just --force and it will work. They use a separate .kde dir (.kde3-testing) so that you don't lose your old kde2 environment. However they don't migrate up your old settings. You can do this by copying the .kde2/share/config and .kde2/share/apps directories into .kde3-testing/share before your launch kde after you update. kconf_update will migrate your settings forward.

I was unable to get the lisa package or kdevelop to install due to dependency problems, and I didn't try. Make sure you install the mesaglut-devel package. It's needed.

The packages install into /opt/kde3 and you have to log in with the kde3 session entry in kdm if you use that.

Known bugs so far:

- Browser identification doesn't always work correctly.

- Greek keyboard setting is giving me Russian characters instead for some reason. (this may or may not be a bug)

Great! (0, Redundant)

m4g02 (541882) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002376)

Im glad!, i cant wait anynmore, to tell you the truth i havent seen the 3 beta 1 so now is when... Anyway, KDE is great, i was a gnome user but after Ezrael gnome feels a little too slow, not like to mather but a speed frak can see it clearly... Downloading...

Anyone for Usability? (2, Interesting)

WebWiz (244386) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002428)

Just curious how much human factors goes into the development of open source desktop packages? Are there members of the KDE or QT or Gnome teams whose sole job/interest is to further the usability of the interfaces? Or are the developers just happening to "place this here" or "place this there? Are the beta testers assuming the role of Usability testing?


Re:Anyone for Usability? (2, Insightful)

__past__ (542467) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002529)

Well, for Gnome, there was a Sun sponsored usability study, IIRC.

However, such a study doesn't improve usability on it's own, it just states that it has to be improved. You can tell a crappy UI coder that he is just that over and over, he won't get better just because of this.

KDE also has Usability page [] , but there seem to be more active KDE subprojects...

(Note that I don't want to imply that Gnome has more crappy UI coders than KDE. Both have their share, and both have great ones.)

The Usual... (-1, Troll)

Lethyos (408045) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002453)

KDE/GNOME blows ass. Any fuckwads using KDE/GNOME should switch over to GNOME/KDE. Why do they even bother developing KDE/GNOME anymore anyway?

KDE 3 (4, Interesting)

Satai (111172) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002520)

I'm really looking forward to KDE 3.

No, not because of the move to QT3.

No, not because of the improvements in Konq, KFM, or any of those - not even the multi-key shortcuts.

I just want to be able to use KMail for my Maildir mailboxes. I know there are hacks, workarounds, all that - but I don't want those. I just want to be able to plug in and go. Right now I use Mutt, but sometime in the future I'd like to be able to do some of the things it doesn't - like inline HTML viewing. KMail won't be for regular use, I guarantee it, but it will certainly be a nice complement to mutt.

A very close second is the switching of desktops when dragging a window - that's on the "KDE 3 List" [] and it's definitely something I miss from E. I don't know if it's going to be in 3, but I also really miss the ability to "walk off the edges" of the desktop and switch to a different virtual desktop. I've got the keyboard shortcuts set up, but it just isn't the same.

Re:KDE 3 (2)

Geek Boy (15178) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002539)

Yes all that functionality is available and working in KDE3, including in the just-release beta2.

Gnome is dead. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#3002527)

Will this be the final nail in the gnome coffin. I certainly hope so.

Great. (0, Flamebait)

Mr. Piccolo (18045) | more than 12 years ago | (#3002537)

Another KDE release. Woo hoo.

So, is it as easy to use as Windows XP Home Edition yet? If not, I'm not buying. And neither will 265 million other computer users.

It's the truth. No moderation can change that.
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